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Nathan King
What is going on everybody? How are you doing? Typically on these Wednesdays we will we will do a golo podcast which we are going to do today. But I did want to start with football because the combine, which I kind of had FOMO not being there today, but a lot of GMs talk today and there were a lot of stories flying fast and furious out of the out of the combine. So the podcast is going to go like this. I'm going to for like 30 minutes hit on a bunch of football stuff from Miles Garrett to the Tush push to, you name it, everything that the cousins being a $30 million backup I mean, give me a break. So we will hit on that, and then I will go into go low, and it'll all just be on the same podcast where talk a little bit about golf, who I'm betting on this weekend in the formerly known as the Honda Classic in Florida and at golopod. At Golo Pod is how we do the mailbag on Golo. So if you fire in the DMs, you got any golf questions at Golopod? No. Football, mailbag questions. Because yesterday we put out a podcast. It was like over an hour and a half long of just mailbag questions. So today, little football, a little golf, and we'll call it a day. But. But that is the game plan. So if you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe. If you want to watch any of these on the old little thing called the YouTube, we have a YouTube page. So go check that out as well. YouTube, type in three, and out. There's my name, Middlekopf, two Fs and subscribe to the page. And we will start by talking football. Let's. Let's dive in. And I want to start with the big story that one of the best players in the NFL asked for a trade. And sometimes. And we've seen a lot of trade requests over the years from a lot of different players. When I was living a couple years ago in the Bay Area, Debo Samuel made an impassioned trade request. Then he ended up not getting traded. And he never was going to get traded. Last year, Brandon, I. You kind of did. But then every time they would trade him, like, no, I want to stay. I thought watching Miles Garrett do the rounds at the super bowl, he. And I mentioned this to Colin the other day. I thought it was, like, very measured. And honestly, when you heard him talk, you're like, yeah, I understand. If I was him, I would want to get the hell out of here, too. And I think one major difference in football relative to, let's say basketball, that when a player asks for a trade in the NBA, it sure as hell feels like they get traded. And constantly, when a guy makes a demand, you'd be like, why do you want to trade this guy? And then a week later, two weeks later, the off season, whatever, he always gets traded. And it feels like a player run operation Hell. Jimmy Butler, who has been incredible on the warriors, you know, lost it on Pat Riley and basically gave up, stopped doing anything. They kept suspending him, and then he was traded. Like, that's not usually how the NFL works. You know, they don't let the players, at least historically, shove them around. It's a management run operation. And listen, these things can ebb and flow and every individual case, you know, is separate from one another. I'm not saying guys haven't demanded trade trades in the past and haven't been traded, but in this situation, you get a guy of this level, a Hall of Fame player, a guy who has a chance if he stays healthy to go down as one of the great players ever as a pass rusher, which a lot of people would argue is the second most important position behind quarterback. You're like, God, what are the Browns going to get from him? Because this guy sounds and pretty impassioned, put out a statement and then quadruple down like he doesn't want to play there. Well, I'll say this about the Browns. They have not been like, yeah, we're open to offers. You know, give us a call, we'll call you right back. This is our asking price. Their general manager has said a while back and he quadrupled down the day. Like, we're not trading this player that is not in the plans for the Cleveland Browns. And I'm fascinated to watch the way this plays out because I think they get an absolute all for him. I've said over and over, I'm thinking multiple first rounds, a second round and probably a player. I mean, you are getting a lot for a guy that is 29 years old. Typically when you see that type haul, it's usually a guy 25, 26 years old. You know, once upon a time Khalil Mack was traded from the Raiders. It was a second contract. Usually it's the second contract. Guys like if the Cowboys were to put Micah Parsons truly on the trading block, you would get a ton because you're getting a guy going into their fourth, fifth season who you are giving the first big contract. Miles Garrett is a guy who would get his third contract, rookie contract. Then he got a massive contract, now he wants a third contract. So usually when you get that third contract guy, you don't get as much. I don't think that's the case here. And I think if you're the Browns. Listen, what I've said when it comes to Cleveland, I totally understand where Andrew Barry's coming from. You should never be in the business of getting rid of guys like Miles Garrett. Whether you're a one win team or whether you're a 17 win team. Like the whole point of the sport is to acquire, extend and have guys on your team like Miles Garrett. But the Browns are in a bad spot. And the other thing Andrew Berry mentioned today is, like, Deshaun Watson isn't playing this year, and let's face it, he's never playing for the Cleveland Browns again. I actually feel DeSean Watson will never play in the NFL again. But I think this is a time when you can blow this bitch up and you have the number two pick, you can trade him for a haul. I know it's not convenient. It's not something you want on your resume, but this is not a Luca trade where it's like, why did you do this? Like, this guy is asking for a trade. And I think this is a move that is not easy to make, but they are going to have every team in the NFL and let's face it, most of the good teams willing to put a ton on the table, like, willing to trade you so much where it's like, you are having serious meetings. And I. I wouldn't bet my life savings on them trading him. But I. I think there's a pretty good chance within the next couple weeks, Miles Garrett is traded. And listen, I'll say this about the Browns. I think Andrew Barry and Kevin Stefanski, like, that is a good tandem. I do think those guys know what they're doing. And if they trade Myles Garrett, it's not because, like, it was just their idea. Like, this is something he's pushing. So it's. It's understandable when you make a move that, let's face it, Browns fans are not going to love. I mean, he's one of the more talented players the franchise ever had. But when I look at the Falcons in this story I saw today, I saw this early in the morning when I was running around doing other. Doing other life tasks. I just saw the headline, raheem Morris says Kirk Cousins is going to be the backup. And when I'm getting ready for the show, I go to. I go to Roto World. They always. The fantasy website, but they're kind of like a website version of Twitter where they just throw together a lot of stories. And I can accumulate a lot of information fast because they kind of aggregate it all. And the GM also said that, like, we plan on making Kirk Cousins the backup quarterback. I shorted the Falcons last year just partly because everyone was hanging left. Everyone's like, the Atlanta Falcons are winning the division. I'm like, no chance. And I was right. Now, granted, I picked the Saints, but I just bet against, like, are we sure Kirk Cousins, Raheem Morris this general manager that no One knows if it's any good, are just going to win 10, 11 games and it didn't happen. But today, like Kirk Cousins has a no trade clause. He is owed, I think $10 million bonus here in the next couple of weeks. You would be on the hook for Kirk Cousins making $27.5 million to be the backup, which going into a season would be the highest paid backup in the history of the league by a wide, wide margin. Typically backup quarterbacks, not like bridge quarterbacks. Sometimes bridge quarterbacks don't win the job. A guy you give $10 million or 15 million, maybe they get beat out by a rookie. Like that happens, right? Or what happened to Kirk Cousins last year, benched midseason. I'm talking about a guy that you go, he's not going to be getting number one reps in OTAs or training camp because he is the backup. Making 27 never has happened and never will happen. Now, maybe one day if the cap is like $900 million, but that's embarrassing. And you acting because they're saying this, trying to get teams to, well, if you really want them, you're going to have to steal them from me. He's not. You can't trade him without Kirk Cousins saying yes. He's got that thing called a no trade clause that you gave him. And if you're Kirk Cousins, why would you want your salary to go on the next team's books when you can just force them to cut you and then you still get paid that same amount of money and you just go to the other team for a little bit more money and you allow them to sign more players and have a better team. I think the Atlanta Falcons have no fucking clue what they're doing. None. I mean, I think they're. I thought today was pretty embarrassing. I really did. Now, it's one thing to talk tough if you do have some leverage, right? But they can't trade them without getting a thumbs up from Kirk Cousins. Listen, I think I saw Arthur Blank at tgl. He's an investor in the PGA Tour now. And he sitting there smiling. He has to be questioning. And listen, I get like, they want to save a little face here. Like, you guys fucked up. You were wrong on this one. It's a disaster. And saying this today, I thought of all the things that were said in the combine, I thought this was the craziest thing. By Country Mile said, I actually don't even think there were that many things said that I thought, well, that's kind of weird. This was One of those, like, what the fuck? I think the Falcons like that organization, Give me a break. Ain't going to make the playoff. Listen, I'm a Michael Penix guy, so I'm rooting for Michael Penix, but I think the organization he's in, I mean this guy comes from Washington where he had Kaylin DeBoer, all those wide receivers and just a well run operation to this thing. I mean, what a joke. The 49ers. There was a story by Diana Rossini who I texted a couple of weeks ago to have on the podcast. She was going on vacation and she's like, you want to have come on. Are you at the combine? I was like, I'd love to have you, but I'm not going to combine. So hopefully we'll get her sometime after the combine. I, she, she's, I, I like Diana a lot and I, I, I appreciate and admire any reporter that covers football that gets their information from general managers and coaches because ultimately those people are the decision maker. And she had a, I don't know if it was a tweet, I saw the headline that she said teams have called and discussed or reached out to the 49ers about their willingness with Brandon Iuk. Would they trade him? And I thought are they trying to get Brandon Iuk for like Nothing? And the 49ers have already given him a bunch of money in the signing bonus so they get them for cheap because my take would be one under no circle unless the 49ers get like a first round pick which I don't even think they would get a second day pick given that his leg was snapped last year. He didn't just tear his ACL like he had torn other ligaments. It was a bad injury. And he makes a ton of money that while the Niners would bear the majority of like the cap disaster, you would still be owed in the next couple of years paying him some cash. I just think it makes no sense. And listen, the 49ers regret signing him. Yes, they do. And did they? Obviously the injury, no one wanted that to happen. Team player like no one wishes that upon any. But it did happen and now they have this situation. That's not ideal but to me he is, he is not a tradable player. I just, I can't imagine them trading a guy injured who is going to ruin their cap space. I think I saw my guy, David Lombardi, who covers the 49ers, he's, he's good. He, the 49ers have like $45 million in cap space. And if they were to trade him, they would lose like 30 of that with dead money because of this. So that's. That's not happening. The other thing in 49er land, that's happening, it was Tim Kawakami, who is just a mainstay in the Bay Area. Like, our biggest opinion columnist covers everything, but specifically the warriors and the 49ers. Like, he's. He's as dialed as anyone. I was listening to his podcast a couple days ago, taking my little dog for a walk. Well, needed. She's got to lose some weight. Even though I think the vet told us that caloric deficit for dogs is actually more important, especially with small dogs, than walking. I don't know if that's true or not, but it was. It was believable and lollies, like, yeah, I don't even need to walk. But my point is, Kalkami, on his podcast said that Kyle Shanahan was going to go to the combine because Kyle Shanahan is just always too good for the combine. I think since like 2019 or this first season, they made the super bowl back. It would have been 2020. He was at the comb. I don't think he's been back now. Granted, they've been playing late in the season. It's like they're in the super bowl or the conference championship game. He's on vacation or whatever. John lynch is there. I'll give you a little bit of a pass, even though I still think you should go. You go 6 and 11 and you're basically off for the last two months. If Kawakami was told something and then Kyle Shanahan decided not to go to the combine, that's pretty embarrassing. But Grant Cohen, who Cone, who also covers the 49ers, he's got a big YouTube channel. He is going up to every. Him and Kyle get after it a lot. Like, they have butted heads many times. He is going up to every coach at the press conference, like Dan Campbell, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, and asking them why they value the combine, basically, as like a bit taking shots at Kyle, which honestly I thought was incredible. And I hope Kyle goes to combine, because if he's not like, that's. It's not just a bad look, like, that's low level. You know, two months, you have the 11th pick. Your franchise is somewhat turmoil. You had an awful season. You got to be there. I'm sorry, like, if I was texting someone today. Andy Reid, Nick Sirianni played in a Game like two weeks ago. And Andy Reid's the best coach in the NFL who has beaten you twice in Super Bowls. He's going to go, he's going to walk right into the hall of Fame. And he goes to the combine every single year for the last three and a half decades. Like Belichick for 30 years going to the combine every single year. If those guys can go and find value in it. And even Sean Payton and every coach reiterated this thing when Grant Cohn was doing his thing, they said, I want to meet the players. Like that's, that's the value you get. Like, like Andy's not in all these meetings with agents. That's Brett's job. Right. But when you have I, I saw some coaches say it was 45. It used to be 60. Maybe they, maybe they shortened. I think they elongated the time from 15 to 20 minutes. But you don't get as many meetings. So you get 45 meetings now instead of 60. But they're all 20 minutes long instead of 15. That could be the case. Don't quote me on that. It's a really big deal to meet these players just like in any human interaction. And there's, listen, it's become controversial, you know, with the Jamie Diamonds and every one of the world of, you know, come back to the office. But there are some things in life that if you're going to invest millions of dollars into a human being, I would rather meet them in person than do a zoom. And I just, I hope that the story right now that he's not going turns out to be false and he ends up showing up in a couple days. He doesn't need to be there today. He doesn't even need to do a press conference. But when the players start meeting and you start doing interviews, every head coach should go, that's, I mean, it shouldn't even be a question who's scoring big in the NBA this season. You are. 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Nathan King
Another big topic today, the Tush Push. A lot of coaches took some shots at the Tush Push. The Green Bay Packers, I guess, reached. I don't know if the. Because in a couple weeks the owner's meetings basically got the ball rolling of trying to ban the Tush push, which I don't know exactly how they would do. Maybe not allow you to be right behind the quarterback, whatever. Make some rule. My overall take on the Tush Push is I don't love it because I do feel it's inevitable. But I also go, if it's so easy to do, shouldn't every team be able to do? But of course they can't. And even Andy Reid said, like, I understand the injury concern, but like, if we could do it, we'd do it. It's like, I'm sorry, I don't feel that much. I would say pity or I feel for these other teams that can't stop it. It sucks. And it definitely sucks when you, your team's playing them or you're betting against them and they go into that position. I saw Spy Tech to say today, well, unless you got Vita Vea, you're probably not stopping it. But like, I, I just think everyone's bitching and moaning over this thing, that it's like, I, I don't know. And even Sirianni was kind of said he was insulted by it because of how much time they have spent, I would say, building up this play, practicing the play. And let's face it, a huge, their big point of difference on the tush push is their quarterback. He can squat like £8 million. And we saw Josh Allen, who in theory should be like one of the bigger, stronger quarterbacks of all time, yet they couldn't execute a short yardage, their version of the tush push quarterback sneak to save their life in the biggest game of their season. So I think everyone's all worked up and that's what happens. Like anytime you're dominating in life, this happens in the private sector and business all the time. People coming at you, you know, for a long time, depending on who was in charge, the government starts coming after you, your local government comes after you, people start suing you. It's like usually people aren't suing companies that aren't doing well, they don't have any money, they're going after the big dogs. No different in sports when you start dominating and you win big. You know, they say the wind blows the hardest at the top of the mountain. And that's what's happening here with the Eagles. You know, the Jags, I watched them the headline a couple days ago that they hired 34 year old from the Rams who I'll be honest, I'd never heard of. I watched a little of his press conference yesterday with Shad Khan. I watched some clips today of him at the combine. I do think I understand what they're doing. They just, they interviewed a bunch of guys that were highly viewed around the league. Guys that were number twos or threes at super bowl and you know, playoff level teams. And they hired the most impressive. But they are going into this season with two guys who have never done the role, who are 34 and 39 years old. And even hiring Tony Boseli to be like kind of right next to them is, you know, I just, I don't even know what technically his role is. I mean, I've seen some people say he's in charge of a lot of like PR and logistics and some other stuff and just to help out the coaches. And all three guys report to the owner. None of them have ever had these roles. And I think sometimes guys start from scratch. Right, let's use the 49ers for example, Kyle Shanahan had never been a head coach. John lynch had never been a general manager. Kyle Shannon had been an offensive coordinator for like over a decade. And John lynch was a Hall of Fame player who then started studying with John Elway and the Broncos as he was doing broadcasting stuff. So I just think it's a lot of pressure on. And Even when Sean McVay got hired to the Rams at 31, 32 years old, like Les needed been a general manager for a while, you know, Howie had just took Sirianni, right? No one I'd never heard of Nick Sirianni. Well, what it was a huge advantage for the Eagles. Howie Roseman had done the job for a long time. I just think it's very, very difficult in this profession to kind of learn on the fly when you're under 40. Doesn't mean it can't be done. And I'm not against hiring younger people, but I feel like, look at the, look at the Raiders. I think John Spitek, who has been one of the most highly valued up and coming future GMs for a long, for several years now, like he once Adam Peters got hired last year, it felt like he was that guy. Like John Spytak was bound to be a general manager. He'd be the first to tell you it's a huge, huge benefit as a first time general manager to every day work with Pete Carroll who's been a head coach for like three decades. So it's like I think the Jags, obviously these two individuals are talented. Liam Cohen's a good play caller. This, this Gladstone character I'm sure is really bright, really impressive. It's tough, man. It's, it's really, really hard to learn on the job, especially at a place that is like historically pretty dysfunctional and loses a lot. John Schneider called Geno Smith his guy and said there are going to be contract negotiations. I don't know, man. I think that one's pretty risky. You know, you're talking about a guy who's on a three year, 75 million dollar contract then who played pretty well over the course of a couple seasons. It was a big reason. You were, you know, a playoff level team and winning nine, 10 games. You know, if he was making 25 million, what's he going to want? 35, $40 million. I, and I get that's kind of the going rate. But I don't know. That feels tough, man. That feels tough. It'll be fascinating. Maybe he's just saying that because that's easy. Thing to say right now, but I think that Seattle is kind of in this risky spot. 3 for 75, incredible deal. Now it's like, is Geno Smith giving you a deal? I don't know. The Ravens and Justin Tucker, I think it's pretty simple when it comes to sports. If you are a great player, you can get away with a lot. And I'm not talking just about doing stupid shit, showing up late. I'm talking about like criminal activity. Like this is. We're not teaching moral lessons here in pro sports. This is a black and white business. You're trying to make money and win games. This is very like there are two sides to the coin. People act like there's a bunch of gray area. Yeah, there's only gray area when a guy sucks. It's like, yeah, we'll let this play out. We'll cut him, right? The reason desean Watson was having all those opportunities with the situation he was in was because the guys view, you know, people around the league viewed him as a superstar. They viewed desean Watson as one of the best quarterbacks in the league. If DeSean Watson was a bad player and wanted to trade out of Houston, it would not have been the same. No one would have touched him. That's why I believe now with all the toxicity around him, he will never play another snap in the NFL. If he was good, I would not say that. To me, Justin Tucker, I think the Ravens, this thing, you know, like desean, it's just. He said, she said a lot of women coming out against him, they would have defended him. If he's in the peak of his powers. Prime one of the great quarter kickers, you could argue the best kicker of all time, most talented kicker, I think they would have no problem. We'll let the j. Let the judicial system play out. Which in fairness, media members get so mad like these, the teams like this is not our job. We have to let it play out. We'll see what happens. We don't know. We weren't there. But he's not good anymore and he missed a ton of kicks last year. So I think like I'd probably just cut him, you know, I wouldn't even want the headache. And listen, sometimes that's unfair. It happened to Matt Ariza, who was the rookie punter who the fucking girl made it up. Now this was only one. This was one human being story against another. It was a he said, she said. Deshaun Watson and Tucker is like a long list of women with the massage therapy stuff. I just Think you start missing kicks like that, See ya. You ain't worth the headache anymore. A couple other things. Khalil Shakir, who I think someone asked me about in the mailbag, signed a extension today. $32 million. Really good player, excellent after the catch. Just, just a stud player from Boise State. I think teams love doing contracts like this. There's a winning player, a guy who's extremely productive, a guy especially a guy who's going to catch 80 balls a year. I think last year was 74 balls. Wouldn't shock me if he averages 75 to 85 for the next decade and you can get this guy $32 million guaranteed. Now he had a lot less yards. Brandon IU caught the same amount of balls last year and he got $75 million guaranteed. So it's like these are the type contracts you love to sign. And when you get a guy who's drafting the mid rounds, it's hard for them to, you know, turn down that type money. And last but not least, you know, I saw Zach Taylor getting interviewed today. I think he's in a tough spot because the quarterback's putting a lot of pressure on him. He wants all these guys resigned. We've talked a lot about this. I think you got to be very, very careful about having a really, really top heavy team now. It's easier to do when Joe Burrows, your quarterback, we've seen it with the Cowboys when, you know, when Dax, your quarterback, it can be much more of a slippery slope. So if you are going to have a top heavy team, if you got Mahomes, if you got Lamar, if you got Josh, if you got Burrow, it's like much easier to stomach. But I think it's one thing to have a top heavy team with like four guys at different positions. I think when you get a redundant position and ultimately that's what T. Higgins and Jamar are. I mean, they're different players, but like, do you want to invest that much money in the wide receiver position? I watch Howie Roseman talking his press conference. He says they have an unhealthy obsession with the line of scrimmage. An unhealthy obsession with the line of scrimmage. They constantly think about offensive linemen and defensive linemen. That doesn't mean they don't value skill positions. They have multiple wide receivers. But like neither of them, like Jamar Chase is going to get probably as much money as AJ Brown and Devontae Smith guaranteed got combined. So I just think it's. 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Mark Seal
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Nathan King
Try to get rid of those guys.
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Mark Seal
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Nathan King
French dressing.
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Mark Seal
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Nathan King
Oh, that's good.
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Mark Seal
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Nathan King
That's awful and I should have seen it coming.
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Mark Seal
Hey, this is Mel Reid, LPGA tour winner and six time ladies European Tour winner and Kyra K. Dixon, NBC sports reporter and host. You forgot to say warmer. Miss America, by the way. And we've got new podcast podcast Quiet Please with Mel and Kira.
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Nathan King
We are bringing you spicy takes on.
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Mark Seal
Sports and pop culture, some golf haps.
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Nathan King
And interviews with incredible people who have.
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Mark Seal
Figured out how to make golf their superpower. Or just people we like. Plus tales from the road and everything in between. By the way, golf isn't just for the dads, Brads and chads. Yeah, it's actually life's cheat code and.
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Nathan King
We'Re not going to be quiet about.
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Mark Seal
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Nathan King
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Mark Seal
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Nathan King
Thought I'd do a little go low Pod won't be too crazy long. We'll hit on a couple things that have crossed my mind the last, I would say week in regards to golf. The Netflix show is out. I haven't watched any of it yet. Tgl, I mean they are playing these on Mondays, Tuesdays. Feels like they're always on early in the week now on espn. And then just some thoughts on this week from a gambling perspective. The Honda Classic, formerly known now is the Cognizant. And then I'll I will do as we do every week. We will take questions at golopod is the Instagram. At golopod is the Instagram. So fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered here on the show. Very, very easy to do. But this won't be, I mean this, let's face it, last week, the Mexico Open, I mean it's got to be in the running for the worst week of the year. Not that I wasn't entertained at the end. I mean, a dude hit the ball in extra holes. I don't know if it was out of bounds or a hazard, but it should have been gone and it kicked off the tree and it ended up winning. I was actually I watched the couple extra holes. I watched probably the last couple holes of regulation because there was nothing else on. But it was, it was rough. So I just think luckily we get away from that week. This week's not great. But then next week is the Arnold Palmer Bay Hill, which to me I'll always remember with Bryson hitting the ball over the water, I think because that's hole six and reaching his arms straight in the air playing with Lee Westwood, Ms. Ole Bryson. But I think that does get to the kind of where we're at. I mean, last night I am trying to put together playlists for the wedding and I'm on the couch, it's like 9:00 at night. I need something on in the background and I, I see tgl Which I enjoy, like as just background television, like I would a baseball game. Like, you kind of pay attention when you want. You don't pay attention when you want. Billy Horschel, Justin Thomas, you know, guy, Colin Morikawa, guys talking some shit to each other, guys having a good time. Some of the guys just having no business being in this league. They say nothing. I mean, this is entertainment. And then today I saw all the clips coming out about Netflix, which some are cool, right? Like Keegan Bradley being announced as the captain in front of all the dudes to Rory McElroy talking about his divorce. And it kind of hit me. It's like I've always had this thing when young players. Happens a lot now in college, but definitely just young athletes use the word like my brand, my brand, my brand. It's discussed a lot in modern day sports. And when I was growing up, I would say the biggest brand in the history of sports still to this day, I mean it's, it's going strong, is Michael Jordan and the Jordan brand. Well, the Jordan brand got built on the back of a guy rattling off MVPs and championships and becoming the greatest player of all time. The Jordan brand does not exist if Michael Jordan is not viewed as arguably the greatest athlete in the history of American sports. And then I think of Tiger woods and this carries over to golf, who built a massive brand on the back of winning majors and kicking the shit out of everybody. So as he got bigger and bigger, Nike Golf took off. Tiger Woods Golf became a massive video game right there. When I was a kid with Madden. Well, why was Madden so big? I don't know. Because they had John Madden in the NFL. Something that had been around for decades and built up and had momentum. I remember playing wwf, that video game, it was really big. They also had a massive brand. And I'm watching TGL and going like, I get why Tiger woods and Rory want to do this. But then when they were playing on the west coast, these guys would fly from the west coast to Florida and then fly back to the west coast and play golf. It's like, doesn't Pat Riley have this thing called Keep the main thing the main thing. And I think you have individuals whose brands are big enough to kind of break out and do that stuff. It does feel. And listen, I don't blame Netflix for producing these shows, but like, the reason Wide Receiver, the NFL show really worked was because the NFL's brand and business was booming. I'll promise you this, the basketball one did not do as well. And I'M watching golf and I just go, are we like, shouldn't we just slow down a little bit and figure out how to keep the most important part of this entire business apparatus in focus, which is these tournaments which are not working out. And you know, Tiger woods and Adam Scott and Jay Monahan and Yasser, who is Saudi Arabia's business lead, was with Donald last week. It's like, I don't know where you stand on this, but anytime that anything comes up with potential, coming back together and working in unison and all becoming under the umbrella, like, I've heard it enough. Like, tell me when you have figured out the situation. Like, I'm tired of hearing about all the ingredients. I just want to eat the meal at this point. So, yeah, it's cool to see a clip of like Tiger woods walking around the White House trying to get a deal done. But like, until this deal is done, I don't give a shit about this anymore. I did a couple years ago. It was cool, it was fresh. Now it feels a little played out. Like I'm tired of hearing about Jay Monahan and Yasser trying to iron out some stuff. The other thing is that we just assume that these players, like, are you sure that John Rahm and Bryson DeChambeau and Brooks Koepka are just going to want to play 15, 16, 18 events? I hope so, but I'm not sure. I mean, Jon Rahm just made several hundred million dollars. Bryson DeChambeau, a huge part of his brand now is YouTube. It changed the perception of him as a human being. Well, the tour doesn't allow that stuff because they have these enormous contracts which are great for the tour, bad for the, the networks because these ratings are low and I think they're just in this weird spot. And all of a sudden I'm looking up, we got Netflix shows about the PGA Tour. We got TGF of them hitting into a net. It's like, guys, can we just figure out the tournaments first? Can we just get that right? The reason football is so big is because of the fucking games then off that you can build, right? Like the Kelsey podcast became a phenomenon because Travis Kelce was on the best team in the NFL. Oh, and is one of the all time great tight ends in the history of the NFL and was catching touchdowns every Sunday. Jason Kelsey, one of the all time great centers for, I don't know, one of the best teams in the NFL. It's like you're running out some of these players. Like the casual person doesn't know who these guys are. In tgl, like, in theory, I should be one of the diehards. Like, I love golf. I watch all these tournaments, and I'm watching, like, every. Like, at this point in time, it doesn't really do that much for me. I would imagine if you were there in the arena, it'd probably be kind of cool. But I'm like, this is all going on. Like, we're playing the Mexico Open with Liv playing in front of 12,000 people. This feels broken. This doesn't feel right. This feels like we don't know what we're doing. And obviously that is the case, which. Where we're at with the splitting of all the talent in a sport where the talent pool isn't that big of people that matter, you know, the NFL couldn't handle if. Let's say. Let's say top 10 quarterbacks. I just took Mahomes, I took Jared Goff, I took Josh Allen, and I took Jalen Hurts, and I put them in another league. Guess what? That would be really bad for the NFL. At first. It would be cool in the sense of. It'd be a huge talking point. Everyone would have an opinion. Everyone would watch, see what it looks like. But after a couple years, it would just suck. It would not be good for business. And that's where we're at right now. Yet every time I look up, it's like, oh, new Netflix special. Like, I've said over and over, Like, I've watched the previous couple, and they didn't really do that much for me. They really. There were a couple episodes in each which I thought were solid. And I'm not blaming the producers or the idea behind it. It's just hard. Golfers aren't that interesting. Some of these guys are just not very interesting. And if they don't give you unlimited access, which, at this point in time, these guys are so rich, they don't give you unlimited access. Kind of sucks. It's not as powerful and, like, it does feel a little bit like they get to control the message. And, like, listen, the Scotty episode, I'm sure will be kind of entertaining with him getting arrested. But it's like, that happened now eight months ago. Like, that story. It'd be one thing if that came out three weeks later. Like, that's. We're almost in March of 2025. That was in the summer of 2024. And I just wonder if we're kind of at this point where it's like, if you don't get this figured out, none of this other shit matters. And I just wonder if it's diluting the product a little bit. And it's really starting to. Like, as someone that cares a lot about this, who consumes. Like, I probably watched more Mexico Open than like, 98% of golf fans. Like, it's. It's sad. Like, I do like watching golf tournaments even when I don't even know. Like, I didn't even know the guys in the lead. I never heard of them. I had never heard of whoever. The guy that won Campbell. Cool story. And it was awesome to watch him cry after with his girlfriend. Never heard of the guy. I couldn't. Not only could I not point him out of a lineup, if you would have said his name and say, what sport does he play? I never would have guessed golf. And I just think that you're in this spot where it's like. And then you're coming to the Honda Classic, which is no longer the Honda Classic, because all these brands go, wait, we're already giving you 10 or 15, whatever million dollars to sponsor the tournament. And then you come back to me, you're like, well, our fields are shittier and we want more money. You're like, how does this add up? It's like all these, you know, the Wells Fargo yanked out. It's like, this doesn't pencil anymore, and it's called the Cognizant. Well, I'm pretty sure that Cognizant also sponsored the fall event, too. So did they get a buy a two for one. And it's just everything's off kilter, you know, for is what the NFL is doing right now. Obviously, you know, football's always been more popular in golf, but just in terms of their business, it's never been stronger. And the reason their salary cap keeps driving up, because they're making so much money, this feels the opposite. It not only feels very inflated, it feels like kind of like a house of cards. And at any moment, it could break and shatter. And that's like going into the Honda Classic again. I'm going to gamble on it, but it's no longer called that. Why? Because your business operation is all out of whack. So I think the only thing any one of us can hope for is that they get this figured out a lot sooner than later. Now, this tournament, which I've watched over the years and gambled on, you know, this Florida swing is like, next week can play really, really hard. I mean, they can grow out the rough, the wind can start pumping, and it can be very, very difficult to play at Bay Hill. And, you know, talking to some guys that used to play on the tour, a lot of them don't really love Bay Hill. You know, Tiger had so much reverence for Arnold Palmer. And I had someone tell me this, a former tour player, former winner on the PGA Tour, that he thought as these guys die off, that some of these courses that they play like, like Arnold, that as they go away and they are no longer there, players feel less and less obligated to play these tournaments. And I think that will be the case, you know, whenever Jack, who's in his mid-80s, passes away immemorial, which I would say Memorial is a better course than Bay Hill. But it's like, if it doesn't fit your schedule and it's not an elevated event and Jack is no longer there to greet you on 18th, like, fuck it, I don't care. And it's just a natural kind of way as. As time goes on, people feel less and less connection. And you just have to wonder if this Florida swing is going to keep changing dramatically. But, you know, Joel Damon is a guy who kind of became famous with his Netflix episode a couple years ago. I do think he's playing like the Mexico Open is just a bomb and gouge. You can bang it anywhere. It's a wide open resort course. And he's got 65. 65, and he's probably a couple putts away from being right there at the end. This swing, in theory, should fit, especially this course should fit him a lot more. You know, guys like him and Keith Mitchell, that should hit a lot of fairways. The thing with Joel, I mean, you can get him right now to top 20 at almost 4 to 1 on DraftKings. Billy Horschel is another guy that I wrote down that I'm going to have some exposure to. To me, Joel Damon, Billy Horschel, top 20s. Keith Mitchell, top 20. And here's another problem when you have weak fields. I looked at DraftKings today. Every single player in the field to top 20 had even or better odds. Like, that's not a good thing. Typically a tournament, you know, when the good players are there. Rory, Scotty, Xander, Ludwig, like, their top 20 odds can be like minus 200. Scotty. Sometimes top 20 is like minus 300. You know, he's. He's a lock to top 20 and just something to keep an eye on. Let's. Let's answer some of your questions at golopod. At golopod. I'll bang a couple out right now. Back in the Tiger. Roger Federer days when they Both were around 13 to 14 majors, there was a lot of tennis and golf format comparisons. And I can often see the similarities. As a tennis player, as an avid tennis player who also golfs, my question is regarding the PGA finding a similar standard schedule whereby tennis has four majors, but they also have nine Masters tournaments which are worth second most points. And all top players are mandatory to attend. All the tournament levels below that are optional to the player. I've always found it so hard to watch golf tournaments. As the tournament name is the sponsor. I can't make heads or tails which are the big tournaments and which are the random events. I think you hit the nail on the head. The sport has to find a way. Say whatever you want about Lyft. One thing they do well, if you're One of the 12,000 people that are watching one of these events, you know who's going to be there? All the fucking players that are signed to live, they're all going to play unless they're injured. So when you, when you look, you're like, well, what rom shoot? What did Koepka shoot? What did Cam Smith shoot? What Phil shoot, right? What did Anthony Kim shoot?
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Mark Seal
Who?
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Nathan King
I think I saw headline today. He got blood clots, so hopefully he's going to be okay. But that is not the case with the PGA Tour. You're like, who's playing this week? Who's the betting favorite? Shane Lowry forever. It's like you never knew. Like you had a pretty good idea where Tiger played and where Tiger didn't, but he skipped a lot of tournaments, you know, so it was always a really big deal when Tiger and Phil were in the same place where it's like when the Bills play the Chiefs, I'm getting Josh Allen and Mahomes. So whatever they're figuring out with Yasser, with Jay Monahan, with Donald and Tiger, I hope they realize, like I'm. Listen, I get you can't play 10 weeks in a row in golf. That's not the way it works. This isn't like some of these other sports. But how about everyone take the week off, right? And then come back the next week and you can have the lower level players, but at least acknowledge it, like, this is a way shittier tournament, which they're kind of doing now. The difference is they come back like this week. Like some guys that are good play and some guys don't. They'll all be there next week, though. And I just think that. Yeah, I hear you. I wouldn't mind the tennis model at all four majors and then maybe 10 real tournaments that everyone who matters plays in. Thanks for the most recent pod. Obviously as an NFL guy you were tied up until the super bowl, but I've been craving some go low. Thought this was perhaps your best pot. Excellent insight on the business side as always. And player focus was on point. An observation on Ludwig. It's not that easy. His recent dominance is a great sign of things to come, but the control he has is not always going to be there, as every golfer knows. Will be interesting to see if his performances this year and beyond, no doubt. Lastly, when you say you're going to hit balls, maybe include spending an hour on your short game. Most people do. More people do that, they'll score better, play more. Just some advice. I actually played last Friday for the first time in months and shot 83. But I actually was hitting the ball like I would shoot 75. My putting is the worst I've ever putted in my entire life since I was probably like 8 years old. I mean my putting and this was a new Scotty Cameron that Maria got me for my 40th birthday. So it was, it felt a little different than you get in your own head. But I need to go to the putting green and just putt. I have a putting green in my backyard. It's been here since we bought the house and honestly it's, it's probably 15, 20 years old. I went out to hit a couple putts the other day. It's in such bad shape, you like can't even figure it out. I was looking to get a new putting green for my guys at Celebrity Greens. I had them come out, which I think I'm inevitably gonna do, but is it is not cheap. I mean we're talking a number that's five figures that starts with a three for a putting green. Actually was going to turf the side of my house too, but turf, man, I see these owners like eh, we really need to spend that much on turf golf. Question though. Just finished watching the Mexico Open where the rookie hit the seven iron into the bunker, which ultimately cost him the tournament. We got to hear his caddy and him talk about it right before the shot and I thought they were going to hit the six iron. I know it's common thing, but why do golfers always end up not taking enough glove? Especially when hazards are known to add a stroke or two. A cut six would have landed on the chipping green. You know what's funny is I was texting with my buddy Chris on the, on that Final. When they were playing the final hole and the guy got kicked out of the tree. I think the mistake he made. And this is not Augusta or the U.S. open, so you can attack pins. Your playing partner had just hit it in the shit. His ball went 220 yards. He took a three wood and then hit it up to like 80 yards or whatever. You are 330 yards down the right side of the fairway. Just hit the middle of the green. You hit the middle of the green, you birdie. You are essentially forcing him to get up and down with his wedge. Now, he ended up doing it, but you can't lose that way. You're not going to three putt. These greens are, you know, flat as a driveway. But he tried to hit this ball. And listen, I do it a lot too. I take. I always think I hit the ball farther than I should. I'm actually really working on when I'm 172 yards. Like, don't try to swing out of your. You know what to hit an eight iron, choke down. Hit a seven iron. Just hit a full seven iron. So what, you're 10 yards farther. I'm really. That's a 20, 25 focus of mine, but I'm with you. Then he comes up a yard or two short and he's in the bunker. And it's like, well, why not just hit it to the middle of the green and not even take on the bunker? And then I realized the guy's 20 years old. So it's like hard to even blame. With the emergence of night golf. Do you ever see the PGA hosting one night tournament every year and giving it a party vibe similar to the Waste Management. I think the event being at night would get more TV viewers and also be something fun, unique to have on at the bar or at a buddy's place with a few drinks, freshen the game up a bit. Have you ever night golfed? I have not. There is this place here in Arizona called Grass Clippings. It's essentially a par three that's made for under the lights. He actually was like the, I think like the number two or three superintendent at TBC Scottsdale where Waste Management is. He got hired at Grass Clippings and they have, they've built a pretty good business. I think it's like 45 minutes away from where I'm sitting right now. But I've wanted to get out there and try. I think the one problem is to have a real tournament with real money, you know, playing at night on a real course. You know, grass clippings is you're off, I think you're on mats and you're basically just, you know, putting the ball. The difference of, you know, the night, the do at night, depending on where you play does change how you play golf. And these players bitch and moan about everything. But just from a business standpoint, 100%. Why not? Now the problem is, you know, you're talking four or five hour rounds. So if you're starting at night, especially in the summer, are you playing somewhere where it gets dark at 8 o'clock or do you start when it's light out? I don't know exactly how you would do that because if you, if it was dark the whole time in the middle of June or July, are you teeing off at like 8:30 at night and you're not finishing till like 1:30? It's a little more. It sounds great and I'm with you. Like you make a lot of sense. But then in practice it becomes a little more complicated. I feel like many other people, I love playing golf. Maybe go once a week during the summer. I'm 23, got to work. I feel you, dog, but hate watching it on television. I love a weekly segment on good bets, bets you're making to get me interested. Maybe a long record on how you've done predicting certain things. Like I said, Joel Damon, Billy Horschel are two guys I'm hitting this week. Keith Mitchell probably as well. Those are three, partly because of the odds. And I think anytime you get some of these random tournaments hitting guys that are 20 to 1. I mean Daniel Berger, who showed some signs of life a couple weeks ago at Waste Management, most weeks up until a couple weeks ago, you get him at like 100 to 1. And then coming in this week he's 25 to 1. I like Shane Lowry, but Shane Lowry on a weekly basis is like 55 to one and he's 22 to one. What do you think of TGL league? I saw a few matches and I have to admit it's pretty entertaining. Yeah, I would say it's just, it's an easy watch. I think it's just an easy watch. But like I said earlier, I think it's. I think there's just a lot going on and I think it'd be early in the season flying these guys across the country. Once they build a couple more, you know, I would imagine they'll build one here in Scottsdale, maybe in Vegas. That would help the travel a little bit. But I give a lot of credit to you know, all the guys that are really into it. And I think, you know, Tony Finau last night made his debut. He was really into it. JT is just a great, I would say, spokesman personality for golf. He's just always willing to just be out front. The gala. Morikawa, Wyndham Clark has tried hard. I mean, I haven't watched. I've watched bits and pieces, but like, yeah, Can't Lay and Cam Young aren't going to be entertaining. No shit. My wife and I are going to the Arnold Palmer Saturday tickets in March, and there will be our. That will be our first big tournament. Any recommendations for the best tournament experience? Tee boxes, greens, or just pick a group and follow along? I take it you have general admission. If you have general admission, there are going to be certain players, you know, Scotty Scheffler, Rory are going to be there that are going to get treated like Tiger Woods. So it's extremely hard to watch them play golf because unless you're Shaquille O'Neal, the depth of human beings trying to watch them hit a shot is like 8 to 15 deep. So it's very, very difficult. What I have done in the past is followed random people. And if the Arnold Palmer, because it's an elevated event, your randoms are still going to be really good. And you might be able to just follow them for like nine holes. Pretty easy, be able to see everything. Now I do what I like to do with these golf tournaments is, you know, set up in a tent and booze and watch it on television. But I think I've never been to Bay Hill. But if there's a. If there's like a area where you can sit and watch a green and a tee box, you can kind of double down. I've done that. You can do that at Pebble. You can watch them tee off on four and hit their approach shot on 17. So anytime that you can find like a grandstand where you get a double shot, you get like two different holes. Whether that's a green and a tee box, whether that's two tee boxes. I. I think that's kind of key. Maybe you just want to go and get some steps in, Just. Just walk around. You just kind of explore. That's the difference. Like, you go to a baseball game, basketball game, a football game, a soccer game, a tennis match. Like, you just sit there and watch, right? It's pretty. Like, there's not much gray area, right? You want to get food or go to the bathroom or whatever. It's like a concert. You Go there to do that, and then you go back to your seat. You know golf, you kind of do whatever you want. I just. I take it all in. I'd walk around. If you've never been there, I'd walk all around the property. But be careful because it's in Florida. So, Gators, what are your four picks for the four golf majors? I love hearing your discourse on professional golf as one of my other favorite sports. Talking figures don't typically discuss golf. I would say that it would be stunning if. If Scotty Scheffler doesn't win one of the majors this year. He clearly, I mean, coming off the injury, but he's just too good to not win another major. So I don't know if that's necessarily going to be the Masters, but I would be stunned if Scotty Scheffler doesn't win a major. I also think he's playing some of the best golf of his life, and I know that he won his majors early in his career, but you can't hit the rim that many times and not have eventually the ball go in the hoop. Like, eventually you're going to score. And like, Rory has been so good in these majors the last couple of years. The U.S. open at LACC, the U.S. or the British Open at. When he lost to Cam Smith, he couldn't make a birdie on eight, you know, on Sunday at the Old Course last year against Bryson. Yeah. Honestly, I think Scotty scheffer and Rory McElroy are both going to win a major this year. I would say Ludwig is going to be in the mix in one of these tournaments. Now. Can he close a major? I don't know. But I would say that it would be stunning if he's not right there. You know, Xander won two of them last year. And then, let's face it, like, kind of in a weird thing going on right now, because golf is not, like, there's no Adam Schefter shams getting updates on, like, what's going on with Xander Shafla's health. It's like, is his rib okay? Like, has he gotten four surgeries since? Has he just been resting? You know, in all these other sports, we would be getting updates. Like, Jeff Passon would be like, yeah, Shohei Ohtani's Tommy John is going well. We should see him make a rehab start in three weeks. In golf, it's just crickets, which there's no, like, governing body, which would be nice now that we're all talking about gambling, to be like, you know, Xander said he's three to four weeks out. Or Xander is like, no one has to talk about him because if he doesn't go to a tournament, you don't hear anything. I would say, like, I would bet on Xander to win, but fuck, I don't. What if his. I don't know. He just disappeared? I would say the other guy that. I mean, last year was a major factor, right? Could have won the PGA when he was trying to chase down. Xander, beat rory at the U.S. open, and by far had his best outing of his career at the Masters, is whatever Bryson has done these last couple of years. And clearly, you know, him changing his clubs and the 3D irons and the crank driver, he's in a. And just his personality, where he's at as a human being, the success he's having on YouTube, he does feel like he's in a phenomenal place. And his golf last year in the majors was elite. So, like, I know this is kind of chalky, but, like, how are you betting against Scottie Scheffler, Rory McElroy, Ludwig Bryson? I would say one guy that's kind of a sleeper who's playing really good golf and has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder because last year was so shitty, would be jt. Like, the other thing you see in these majors is like, look who won the majors last year. It was Scottie Scheffler. It was Xander Schaeffle twice, and it was Bryson DeChambeau. It's like, well, who would have won if they didn't win? Well, Bryson would have won another one, Rory would have beat him. Like, the golf has really separated these top guys, like Scotty Scheffler, Bryson DeChambeau, Ludwig Morikawa are so much better than just these random guys. And the cool part about golf, it doesn't mean a random guy can't have a moment and be in the mix. But I have a hard time seeing them beat these players. I really do. And typically, when you look at guys that win all majors, you know, for historically, it's the top guys. And right now, we got three or four guys in the peak of their powers. You know, if John Rom could ever get a shit together, I just have a hard time betting against the elite guys. So if you told me that, like, this year is like last year, where it's just like the equivalent of Xander twice, Bryson, Scotty, it's like Rory, JT and Scotty twice, you know, or Bryson, if Xander came back, Ludwig like that, I just. I'd be stunned. If that group doesn't win several majors this year, not exactly sure how it's going to play out. But who are your guesses for the Ryder cup team? Both Europe and usa. As we sit here today, would you bet on Europe to win? It feels like they have a much deeper and talented team. A team of Rory Ludwig, Victor Rom, Hatton, Fleetwood Sebstraka and Shane Lowry feel so much better than anything currently in the U.S. i would say if they played in two weeks, I would bet on Europe. I mean, they have Rory and Ludwig, and it's hard to even gauge Rob. But let's just assume Rom's playing well. Their top three, I mean, with Xander being out is better than our top three. It's like they got three Scotties. So I'd be a little nervous now. The one thing that's going to be a huge advantage for us is it is going to be. It's going to be bananas. I mean, New York City, the heat, the booze. I bet there's an altercation. Hopefully not. Not rooting for an altercation, but it would not shock me if there's one at all. So I think it's hard to. I mean, so much changes. I mean, last year at this time, like, Max Homo is one of the best American players, and then he almost won the Masters, and then he just became bad at golf. So you just. The thing with golf, you know, it's like in other sports, you get injured and it can derail your career or derail your season, but it's rare. Like, you would have a bad. Like quarterbacks have bad games, but like, it's. Guys bounce back. Like in golf, it's like all of a sudden it's like, why is this guy playing so poorly? It's like, I just bad right now. I've lost it. I don't know what to do. Hell, it happens to you when you're playing. I like me putting. Last week, I'm like, I feel like I don't know what I'm doing putting. I'm never putting in a putter to play around of golf in which I have not played around in a long time and not practice putting. That was a bad idea. Okay, last question. Thanks for keeping up with the content before your wedding. It's kept me sane. I wanted to ask you if you have anything you're personally going to do on your wedding day. Mentors you'll seek advice from. Do a certain activity, listen to anything in particular. I know the day will be a blur and should be, but I Make sure to take time and appreciate it. Thanks. I'm going to meditate and no, I. On my wedding day, probably get up, have a little breakfast, get a sweat in and then, I don't know, lounge around. I mean, that's not nothing. I. No plans. We were gonna play golf next Thursday in Nashville, but it was the high of 45 degrees. And I have a personal rule. I don't really play golf if it's under like 55 degrees. Now if I'm on the road, might make exceptions, especially a great course 40. The high of 45, like, that's just. That's too cold. Golf, baseball made for warm weather. So not doing that anymore sucks because this week's pretty good weather in Nashville. But next week's supposed to be cold. But I would say on my wedding day, may hang out with my mom. Brother. I don't. I haven't even. You know, when you're in the midst of like wedding planning and I've had to kind of jump in and participate. I would say the last week you don't. You're just. You're just kind of living in the moment, you know, it's hard for me even to think about. We haven't even discussed the vows and how that's going to work. We'll have to do that here in the next couple days or the next week. I mean, we just went this morning to get the marriage license, you know. Sounds like football coach cliche. You're just kind of living day to day. But I don't. I'm a pretty routine oriented guy. Yeah. I like going to the gym every day to get a sweat. Makes me feel a little bit better. Get a little food. One thing I probably will do is order a. What's it called, a IV to my hotel room to get an IV on Saturday. But. Well, I did. I've heard a lot of people talk, a lot of people I have a lot of admiration for and just people that I follow that discuss that. They meditate. Maybe I'm gonna start. I thought about actually doing that this morning. I woke up at like, I couldn't go. Fall back to sleep at like 5:45. And you know, the first thing you typically do is like grab your phone, which is like, why am I scrolling Instagram 5:45 in the morning? Why not just get up and go outside? It's kind of cold. Just go in the other room. Just be in your thoughts for 10 minutes, 20 minutes. I'm really jealous of people that are able to do that. Mentor advice, like I think I got a pretty good handle on talking to people over the course of my life. And I, you know, you know, you got to be a better person and try to do things that are less about you and selfless and things like that and check your ego at the door. Some in fights. But I, I tell people all the time, like, we've been living together now for two years. You know, we bought this house together a year and a half ago. This is not, you know, we're not in an old school relationship here. Right. This has been. I've essentially been married for a long time. It's just not quote, unquote official. There hasn't been a wedding. But like, our families have known each other for years now. It's just, it's. And maybe that's the norm. And I would imagine most of my friends were kind of that way. A lot of people in my life, but also some, some people were not that way. But it's. In a weird way, it doesn't feel like, I mean, it's a big day for, you know, my family, specifically my mom, but it doesn't feel like a lot is gonna change the next day. Beside, I'm gonna have a ring on my finger. That is weird. Like, I'm not a huge jewelry guy to begin with. I know it's all the fashion of guys, like, wearing chains. Like, I just, I can't really pull that off. Not that I even want to, but I've never been a ring guy. I was watching golf the other day. I was watching Adam Scott play with Grant Horvat. It's like, is he wearing his wedding ring? Is he even married? Do guys wear their wedding ring when they play golf? Do you wear your wedding ring when you work out? Like, do I wear it if I go in the steam room, in the sauna? Do you wear it in the shower? I don't know. These are things I have to, like, that's. Those are things that I'm more interested in than, like, advice on life. You know, part of it is I'm 40. You know, I'm not. Not 27. I'm not 32. I've pretty. I'm. I'm a weathered 42. Like, I've seen a lot of not, not saying I have all the answers by any means, not at all. But I, I think I would be much more inclined to do stuff like that if I was younger. And I'm not opposed. Not like I'm anti advice or whatever. But yeah, just, just try to. I don't know, entertain, put on a good performance and enjoy the night.
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