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For more details on rates, fees and other Gemini credit card terms, see Rates and Fees. The Volume what is going on everybody? Hopefully everyone is out there doing well in the real world. John Middlekop three and out podcast and the Tush Push has survived. It did not get banned. Jason Kelsey worked the room full of owners and Jeffrey Lurie also did gave a funny comment and the Tush Push survives. So we'll dive into that. Brock Purdy we had some news or the details about his contract and how much money he actually got, so we'll talk about that. We're going to do a big mailbag today as well at John Mittlekoff ohnmiddelkopf Is the Instagram fire in those DMs? Probably gonna be my last podcast for the next couple days. I'm just gonna get away for a couple days and we will be back next week probably on Tuesday because we got Memorial Day on Wednesday. So we'll be back on Tuesday and then just start rocking and rolling. OTAs will be in full swing. I'm gonna work the phones the next couple days, try to get some of my GM buddies to come on the show before they break for summer. So that'll be the game plan. But this will be the last podcast for for the next four or five days, which hopefully you guys have a good weekend. Enjoy the Memorial Day weekend and we'll do big mailbags next week as well. So keep firing in those DMs. Just my name. Probably do a go low next week potentially as well. But you guys know the drill. Subscribe to three Now Podcast. If you listen on Collins feed you got to subscribe to 3Now podcast. Some of the podcasts do not get uploaded on there. Everything does get uploaded on the YouTube channel, so go check that out on YouTube. Very, very easy to do. Just subscribe like leave a comment if you want and and yeah, but before we dive into some football, you know I got to tell you about my friends, my partners in the official ticketing app of this podcast. Game time. Best in the business. Doesn't get any better. 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If you have a quarterback who can squat £650, you would do the same thing. We saw Josh Allen, one of the strongest, most athletic players in the NFL and an inability to gain half a yard. And part of it was because unlike Jalen, to go low, he had to go high. And so I was, I'm cool with this and I do understand the detractors. I get the NFL. I don't get all caught up like Jeffrey Lurie. It's a healthy play. Jason Kelsey, who has kind of gone viral, there was a big ESPN.com article about an impassioned plea, how him and Jerry Jones were watching film. And Jerry's like, listen, I don't want to give the Eagles an advantage, but makes a good point. So you know the Jeffrey Lurie and Howie break out the big guns, bringing Kelsey to talk about this place. And if we could run this 60 times a game, I'd still be playing in the NFL. And listen, the reason this works for the Eagles is they have a dominant offensive line, but most importantly the quarterback. If the quarterback was Someone else, it would not be as effective. So Jared Goff or Brock Purdy or Josh Allen or just go around the league. Baker Mayfield, the advantage is the strength of Jalen. And like Vrabel was saying, like, what stops us from doing this and that, like defending the Eagles. And I was like, yeah, I don't care. And some of these, the comments to come out, you know, Jeffrey Lurie, I guess gave like a long diatribe about the health of this play and if you take this play out, it'll actually make guys less safe even for your teams. And I guess dropped a line about a young child's wet dream with how great this play is. And then Troy Vincent, you know, went full ESPN is like, that's offensive to the women in here. It's like, Troy, calm down, buddy. Any person in this room offended by using the words wet dream? Like, give me a break. This is this multi billion dollar business. No one's offended by that classic Jeffrey Lurie line. But ultimately this play survives. And I think we're a year away. If the Eagles dominate again and they win, like if the Eagles were winning six, seven games, no one would care. This would not be a talking point. But they've been to two of the last three Super Bowls and they just beat the shit out of the Chiefs. And if they do it again, if they go back to back and beat the crap at everybody. And this play is obviously a huge part of their arsenal because when they get down to the goal line, they are scoring a touchdown. When they get in a short yarded situation, they are moving the chains. It's basically automatic and it will go away. But as of right now, they get to use it another year. And listen, the Eagles are obviously going to be one of the heavy favorites to win the super bowl and be a dominant team and be a playoff team and probably win the division. So it's. This story is not going to go away, but the Eagles and utilizing Jason Kelsey, which Jed York tweeted about, like, I owe the guy a beer. You know, listen, there are certain guys that just can own a room and their passion, their ability to connect and they're just likable. Like certain human beings just resonate with other people because they are just likable people. And Jason has always been one of those guys. Like he could go into a room with anybody. I mean, it's honestly the power of that individual. That's why he, him and his brother created a podcast with like two years later is worth a hundred million dollars. You could put Jason In a room, you know, at some dive bar in some blue collar town with a bunch of dudes making 30, $40,000 a year and he would get along with them perfectly. You can put them in a room with a bunch of guys that are worth 10 and 11 figures and have teams worth 5 to 10 billion dollars and they can have normal conversations with them. It's just a skill that man possesses. It's why, you know, typically the guys that communicate in sports, whether it's a point guard, whether it's a quarterback, whether it's obviously the center, like, they usually can communicate well with a lot of different people. And Kelsey's ability to go in that room, like, the Eagles aren't dumb, right? They're pretty smart organization, I don't think. I mean, best case scenario, it went as well as it did bringing him in because let's face it, like, and I don't blame it, we're all selfish. I say it all the time. People in one thing I've talked to Maria a lot about since we've been dating is like, sometimes she gets really caught up when, you know, things in business don't go away. It's like people are selfish. So when you go into the mindset not trying to fuck the other person, but just realize, like, at the end of the day they will make a decision with themselves, their family first, that's never going to change. And it's never really changed. And I think the Eagles were selfish on this. They don't want to lose the play. I don't blame them. And I bet there were a lot of people in the room who are kind of like, whatever, like I keep it great, like me and bringing Jason Kelsey in, clearly. I think Florio reported on it. It swung several teams like the Browns, the Lions, like, it's a big deal. I mean, 22 to 10, pretty close. I mean, you're just two votes away from this thing going bye bye. So I do feel pretty confident though, if the Eagles win again, honestly, they don't even need to win the Super Bowl. If they just have a 12 or 13 win season and they're deep in the playoffs, this conversation is not going to stop. And the packers admitted, like the NFL used them as a guinea pig. The packers did not care. Again, the packers, like most of us, like, whatever, like, yeah, the play's kind of boring. We know the outcome, but like, it's their advantage. The NFL utilized them to be the, at the forefront of like, get rid of this thing. And people within the packers like, yeah, it Wasn't that big a deal to us. Like, we actually kind of respect it. So the NFL will do that again next year because if this play is, the conversation about it you could argue has only gotten bigger. So congrats the Eagles fans. You got a pitch that you can continue to use and it's very, very effective. So I would expect Jalen hurts and those guys to get some extra touchdowns because of this play, because that's what they always do. Okay, Brock Purdy, I was thinking about this because, listen, when a story breaks, I mean, part of the business I'm in, one huge advantage, a little inside baseball here that I have over, let's say I had a three hour radio show is news breaks on anything. I can immediately do a YouTube video and then repurpose that and put it on my podcast feed. The moment the news breaks, it could be at midnight, it could be at seven in the morning, it could be at three in the afternoon. Where historically, like, if you have a radio show, well, if Your show's from 3 to 6, if the news breaks after that show, nothing you can do till the following day. And it's a huge advantage we have here. So obviously NFL news in some of these stories, especially in the off season, are just a must to have an instant reaction. And. And the other day, I guess it would have been Friday. I was literally walking out the door, it was like three in the afternoon to meet my buddy Jeff Fong and a couple other buddies and go play like nine holes and have a couple cocktails Friday afternoon, enjoy some sun. And the news breaks and we were teeing off in like 30 minutes. I'm like, listen, I'm going to be a little late. I got to give a reaction to Brock Purdy. And Schefter's tweet is he got five years, $265 million. And then five minutes later, it comes out a little more detail. $188 million guaranteed. But NFL contracts are not like, I mean, one of the biggest conversations going on right now in baseball, do the Mets regret Juan Soto? Because the moment they pay Juan Soto, just like all these baseball contracts, I'm giving you five, six, seven hundred million dollars. We don't need to go. Let's wait for the details. Let's see if there are injury guarantees, if there are offsets, if there are dates in the offseason. No, every fucking penny is guaranteed. I mean, we've seen it in the NBA forever. It's like, wait, they just gave who $200 million? It's like that is insane. And all these contracts in baseball and basketball are guaranteed. And in baseball, a lot of the time it's like he signed a $500 million contract and he can opt out every couple years, where it's the complete opposite in the NFL and it's always been the push, like guaranteed money. That's not the way we run our business because we have way more players. And the injury risk here, that would be a disaster. And do you know who benefits the most from the non guaranteed money? Because when Purdy's contract came out, Florio on Pro Football Talk did a breakdown. It's actually the moment he signs the contract. $115 million. To put that into context, Jalen Green, who most people around the NBA thinks like a backup, got $104 million last offseason. So Purdy, like, listen, there's injury guarantees and some other stuff, but truly the money guaranteed the moment he signed the contract at a franchise worth $8.6 billion and he's the starting quarterback, got $115 million guaranteed and a $40 million signing bonus. So I think sometimes, like the NFL takes a lot of flack and they run their business completely different than these other sports. It's the reason their sport is the most healthy, because they can pivot out of things. Like if this Brock Purdy situation, I think it's going to go well. I think Brock Purdy is a good player. And watching him talk today, listen, this comparison isn't apples to apples because the other guy's one of the best players I've ever seen, but he reminds me a lot. The way he conducts himself, the way he acts, the way he talks. Like Scottie Scheffler. Now, Scottie Scheffler is going to go down as one of the greatest players ever. Obviously, Brock Purdy is not as good at his sport as Scotty Scheffler is at his sport. But just he's one of those guys completely unfazed by money. Will. Will not be impacted one iota. Absolutely zero. Now, is he good enough? Especially the way we're going to talk about him now, we're going to find out in the next couple years. But if he's not, and this is a problem, and he either regresses or he gets exposed or whatever, which again, I don't think is going to be the case. The 49ers in two after the 2026 season can get out of this thing. And that's why the league's healthy, because most of these contracts, even these crazy quarterback contracts or like three year deals where we see in these other sports, these albatross contracts that you just can't move. It's like this is a. Do you know who gets screwed? The fans, the consumers. And there is not a business model that is more consumer friendly than this one. Now if Purdy is just solid, he's going to see all this money. It's. Let's use car as the example. Derek Carr actually gave back some money this year, but will have made over $200 million guaranteed in his career. Why? Because he was good enough to just keep being a starter for year after year after year after year. And that's most of these guys, right? So I would expect him to be solid and him to make a lot of this money, but you always have the out if it's a problem. And I think that is the healthiest thing that the NFL does is, does not tie themselves to this crazy guaranteed money that these former players, like we are getting screwed. Well, no, you're actually getting highly compensated, but we're taking a huge risk because you can get injured at any moment. So it's like if we did these other contracts like baseball or like basketball, you would be unable to get rid of any of these guys and the fan would get royally screwed. Okay, A couple other things in the NFL. This, this has made me laugh. You know, today I guess Caleb, Caleb Williams refused to talk to the media. And unlike Rory who did this last week, I. 21, 22, you're in this story that has to do with something that happened 18 months ago. Some of it involves your dad. Like, like what am I, I'm on this team. What am I gonna say if I was his age, younger guy, like if it was an older player and you know, there was some story like this, like, you gotta face the music. I give the guy a little grace. But Ben Johnson came out today and said. It's come to my attention that over this past week our quarterback has been in the media. Not, not saying like Caleb has, but just that this has been a big story. I love it when like a green, a new young kind of hotshot coach tries to come out with a lot like this. Ben, it's come to your attention. You live in fucking Chicago. Hell. You were on Collins show last week and he asked you about it. It's come to your attention. No, it's just the story is the story. Now if you want to respond as he did and say, listen, I haven't been here, my only experience, that's fine. I got no problem with that. But when you start and open up with a cheesy line, it just made me laugh. It's come to your attention. Do you think that story for a guy that's the head coach of the Bears who's living in Chicago, local tv? Listen, I, I'm not even that big of like a local TV guy, but when you live somewhere, it's inevitable that you end up like, especially if you're just watching a basketball game and it's on ABC that ends all of a sudden. You're watching the local news and you just see some stories. It is for him to downplay, like it just kind of floating out there. My, my media PR guy gave me this story. Just, Just made me chuckle. I, I just, I love a good, kind of like cheesy, nerdy response to something that is a complete lie. Cam Ward signed his contract. I think if you're a Titans fan, you got to be pretty excited. Hope is a powerful thing, man. Belief is a powerful thing. You know, sometimes you see like I was listening to Bill Simmons and he did like this thing like, should some of these fake NBA trades and some of them include, you know, the number one overall pick with the Dallas Mavericks with Cooper Flag. Listen, Cooper Flag might be the next Andrew Luck or Paid Manning. He also could just be like a solid starting quarterback, right? You have no clue what you're getting. You think like, it's probably going to go well and more than likely he'll be an all star, but there's no guarantee. But the hope. No different with Arch Manning. No different when Caleb was drafted. The hope of what could be is more powerful than already knowing. And when you see guys that, that like in the NFL, because if I went, hey, Tennessee, Cam Ward is going to be like, let's just, let's say I threw this out. He's going to be like Kyler Murray meets Kirk Cousins. You're like, it's like, what if I went like, you know, he's going to have a. He's going to be like 80% of Patrick Mahomes sounds a lot better. And whenever you have a situation like last year and you had to witness Will Levis in the quarterback position, couldn't have been any worse. It's just, it's pretty refreshing. And listen, I didn't know that much about Cam Ward, but watching some of his comments, knowing a couple guys with the Titans, they are very, very bullish on this human. And that's the thing. Back to Purdy. And listen, a lot of the guys that Aren't Mahomes or Josh Allen and Lamar who are all high character elite guys. But the way you become like 7 through 12, typically you got to be a high level cat from a work ethic standpoint, from a film study standpoint, from a recovery standpoint. Like most of the guys in that next tier, you know, the Jared Goffs, the Jalen hurts is, you know, purdy for his first couple years. You just kind of like Dak Prescott when he's healthy. It's like they usually check in all the boxes off the field. It's pretty rare. It's like, yeah, this guy's kind of a douche, doesn't really work that hard, but you know, he's seventh best quarterback in the NFL. Usually not how it works. So if I was a Titans fan, I'd be pretty, pretty excited. And last but not least, this one if. Listen, it's tough spot for John Spitek. You know, Pete Carroll's in charge of hiring his coaches and hire Chip Kelly, who that he got. Chip Kelly's making some serious cash now just being an assistant coach. I mean, talk about a guy just went full mercenary cashing them checks. Got the Raiders to give him three years, $18 million to be the offensive coordinator. And Ashton Genty, who has anyone that watched him play. You know, if you watch a lot of running backs, right, the way they're standing behind the quarterback, they're in like an athletic position. They are ready to explode. And then there are certain guys, I think Derrick Henry's a little like this, but Ashton Genti is literally just standing there. He's just like standing. He's like erect, right? Straight up and down. No, no, athletic posture. Like the first thing they teach you, like if you're playing infield little league is like basically bend your knees, get down, right? You have a good like a little shoulder width stance. Athletic. No different than you play like seventh grade or sixth grade basketball, right? Open your feet, bend, be able to be an athletic position. That is not how Ashen Genti is as a running back. Yet it created from Boise State a top six pick, right? And the first thing Chip Kelly does is change his stance. And Ashton Genti is like, you know, super high character, good guy. Kind of it felt like gave in, but it wasn't something that I, you know, this is a weird situation. My take would be as a front office gm, can we just let him do what made him be until we have to change it? Like, should this be something that we change immediately? My pushback would be no. If we like him enough to draft him six overall. Could we just leave him standing there in the backfield literally before the ball is snapped, just unfazed before that becomes a problem. So that, that would be. I'm not trying to be a Raider hater. I'm pro. Listen, people think I was anti Ashton Jetty. He's an excellent player. He's a special prospect. I'm not disagreeing. I just. The running back value drafting guys. We can argue that till we're blue in the face, but if I'm going to draft him, I'm going to let the fucking guy be him, not change his stance the first thing I do. So yeah, Chip Kelly has made Ash Genty change the way that he lines up. So yeah, the NBA Finals are almost here and every play could be the one that changes everything. This is the NBA playoffs, where heroes rise, legacies are built, and the action never lets up. With DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA, you don't just watch the madness, you live it back. Your favorite team. Ride with your clutch time killer, bet on the buzzer beaters, the breakout performances, the game winning threes. From player props to same game parlays, this is how you take your fandom to the next level. Okay, we got a couple big series here. 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Some exclusions apply to Instant Rewards, in which rewards are deposited when the transaction posts this content is not investment advice and Trading Crypto involves risk for more details on rates, fees and other Gemini credit card terms, see Rates and Fees. Okay, Mailbag time at John Middlekopf onmiddlekopf is my Instagram fire in those DMs get your questions answered on the show. Let's start with Will had a couple cocktails the other night and would like to reword my question. He had asked the question and he reworded it happened to us all. Been there buddy. If you're in the dog franchise category and need to turn things around, how do you balance taking swings at quarterback with building the team? If you truly believe the team is a quarterback away, can you blame the Falcons, Jets, Broncos two years ago for betting on one player that flips your franchise around? Being in a rebuilding purgatory seems worse. Obviously paying Kirk 90 million guaranteed is reaching, but if you roll out another quarterback for a whole season, you will lose fans and remain irrelevant. We don't have diehard fans like other franchises. The Falcons have had one top five draft position since 20192009 Matt Ryan third overall in 08. So they can't just bet on getting their franchise quarterback from the draft. What would you do differently? I'm not acting like finding your franchise quarterback is easy. It's not like you said you typically even if you draft high, we know how often you miss. I supported what the Denver Broncos did when they traded for Russell Wilson blew up in their face. You know, when they traded for Aaron Rodgers, he was much older than Russell so there was risk involved. But like I totally understood those two trades. But drafting a guy high Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields doesn't guarantee anything. So I hear you. I I'm not talking about the whole philosophy of like now we can argue like are we playing Monday morning quarterback about Kyle Pitts? Probably A little. So I'm not going to argue about that draft pick in general, but just the Kirk Cousins move. He was 36 years old, coming off a torn Achilles, and he's an awful athlete. So it's. There was a ton of risk involved there. Now, ultimately, it's just Arthur Blank's money. But I think on that specific move, where I have an issue with it is if you loved Michael Pennix, which clearly they did, the GM and his coach, he should have had those guys be all over comparing Michael Penix, knowing they're drafting eighth. You know, when did Raheem get the job? In January. So once he gets the offensive coordinator, that should have been their main priority of comparing Pennix to Cousins in, I don't know, all of February, at least mid to late February and early March before you made that decision. So to me, it felt very, like, haphazard, like they're just kind of. Yeah. Like no direction. So I. That's my issue with that individual move. Big picture. I hear what you're saying. I don't disagree that it's difficult, but they had the 8th overall pick, and then they fell in love with Michael Penix, but they had just given all this money when they needed a bunch of help on defense, and they had $90 million to give up. You could have got a couple guys for like, $45 million each. That's my issue there with that specific thing. Now, over the course, there's probably other situation, like, individual situations, but I'm not. I'm not even talking about that. My issue with Desmond Ritter is didn't they draft him in the third round? Let me just. I just want to get my facts straight here. Desmond Ritter was drafted in the third round, 74th pick. So that's a pretty good pick if you watched them in that bowl game. I forget who they played, but they. They. Yeah, they went 13 and. Oh, and they played. Oh, yeah, they played Alabama. I get. Alabama's a better team. But it was like watching. Like, what are we doing here? This is not. He felt completely overwhelmed physically just to make basic throws. I remember watching that because Cincinnati Sauce Gardner, that team was stacked. Running back, forget what team he's on, but he's a good player. I mean, they got. They had a bunch of NFL dudes and they ran the table with Fickle. They were legit. And then I remember thinking, like, oh, Desmond Ritter is good because he had had a big season. He had 30 and 8, 65%. Like, he was really good that year. But I remember watching that Alabama game going, oh man, I don't know. I don't know about this. And they still drafted in the third round. Ever since the playoffs have been restructured to have seven teams from each conference, there has always been one division with three playoff teams. In this upcoming season, do you believe this trend will continue where three teams from the same division make it to the playoffs? Below is a list of the divisions who have had three playoff teams in the past five years. 21 NFC West, 22 NFC East, 23 AFC north last year, the AFC west and the NFC North. Yeah, I would think the nfc, the AFC west has a pretty good chance again. I would. You know, you're basically a lock to have two teams. Who's the biggest lock to have two teams? You would say the NFC east with the Eagles and Washington feel like a lock. The AFC west between the Chiefs, Chargers and Broncos feel like a lock. The AFC north feels like a lock right between some rotation. I mean the, the Ravens are in, the Steelers make it a lot. And the Bengals hard for them to admit. You could say the North. It just seems like, yeah, it's gonna happen. Curious what type of season it would take from Hunter for Gladstone and the Jags to look like geniuses. Well, in fairness to Gladstone and Travis Hunter, you draft a guy and you trade a future first round pick to move up from five to two. You don't determine your career as almost at a freshman. As a rookie, like he could have 50 catches and make some plays on defense. People like that's solid. Like you don't get to make a determination after one year. Like Jalen Carter is a lot more interesting after a second year than you. And first year is interesting player. But I mean you watch him after last year, so it's. You give him a little time, you get a couple of years, you know, you. Now he could make him look like a genius immediately if he dominates. I mean if he, if he catches 10 touchdowns and has a bunch of interceptions like he's. They're going to look like geniuses. And they win 10 games and make the playoffs and win the division. Yeah, he'll look at genius. But if it doesn't go perfectly, you can't just basically in Sharpie say it was the worst move of all time. I started watching football every week in 09 when I started playing myself. Question what is the best roster or short list of rosters you ever saw that did not win a Super Bowl? For me it was the 49ers of 11 through 13. They just had the misfortune of running into Eli a loaded Raven squad in the Seahawks lobby? Good question. I think the best team I saw, and I was going to a lot of games from like 2010 to 2017, 18 range, Niners team was pretty good. But like, you know, Alex had some flaws in Kaepernick while very explosive. I mean he in his prime, elite runner and great, you know, his fastball, pushing balls down the field, but he didn't have great touch. So like their quarterback play relative to some of these other teams like that, that was a huge differentiating factor is like Russell was just a better player. Now this team won a Super bowl, but I think the best team I saw was top to bottom was the Broncos with Peyton Manning. Now the team that won it with Peyton Manning in whatever year that was 16, Peyton was a shell of himself. But those first three years, I mean offensively, defensively, they were. It was stupid how good they were. So, yeah, I mean, I don't see how many teams during that era didn't win. There were a couple Steeler teams that were pretty good. I mean the heyday of Antonio Brown, you know, the Patriots own them, but they played the Patriots, you know, the Steelers beat the Chiefs I think in the second round in like 16. Then they played the Patriots. And Le'Veon injured is growing, so it just wasn't really a game. But those teams were pretty good. I'm a lifelong Seahawks fan and while I have a ton of faith in Schneider, I am confused on our quarterback room. I'm curious to hear your take on what you think the plan is for Milroe and Darnold, because I'm not sure. Also, do you think Schneider is a top five GM in the league right now? And if so, where in the top five? And do you like the direction the Seahawks are moving? I think Jalen Milro to them was like, I'm invested in a couple of these right now. The stock, let's just. I'm not going to give the exact stock, but I'm down, I'm down. But this was a play I continue to put money in. If this thing hits like I'm betting on it being like a 20x er, but there's a chance that I just lose. I mean a substantial amount of money. I'm not rich enough to where it's like I lose, you know, 50 grand just goes away. I'd be, I'd be, I'd be pissed. But it's a risk I feel value in taking. Right. And I mean I'm actually closer to six figures in this thing. But it's just, it's one of these things that could maybe change the life of my future children and, or maybe it just goes belly up. And I think that's what Jalen Milroe is to the Seahawks, that it's like if it works, best case scenario, we have a dynamic, some version of Lamar Jackson. I mean that's, that's. And if it doesn't like whatever we gave a third rounder, but like it could change our franchise and Sam Darnold, like Jalen Milroe can't start week one. Our plan is to win 10 games and we get Sam Darnold for cheaper and Geno Smith, who are O.C. knows and it gets us going. So drafting Jalen Milroe really doesn't have that much to do with Sam Darnold because Jalen Milroe can't start right now and Sam Darnold can and you're trying to make the playoffs and if next year Jalen Milroe takes a huge step, maybe beats him out and you could trade Sam Donald. But I think it was a calculated risk. Listen, do you ever just want to give away third round picks? Of course not. They got Russell Wilson once upon a time in the third round. But like if this thing hits, it could change our franchise. And that's, you know, I think for those of us that like to gamble in investing, to me there's a lot of gambling and investing. Like I kind of like the rush of something like this. This could be big or this could blow up in my face, you know, and that, that's what taking a guy like Jalen Milroe. Now Anthony Richardson's a better example of like risking everything you got at pick four. It's way less like doesn't do much if you lose like a third round pick. He bust whatever. But that was the mindset behind there. And I think if all GMs were available from scratch and there was a draft, I think John Schneider would go in the top five. Yeah, 100%. I think he's a stud fan of the show. I'm super excited for the flag football Olympics team in 2028. Curious to hear who you would put on that roster. The game isn't contact, so my thought is Josh Allen or some of these bigger bodied positional guys would have less impact in a flag football setting. I have Lamar Jackson, Saquon Barkley, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, CD Lamp, Brock Bowers, George Kittle. Let's get Brady to Show up at 4748 and play on this team. I think he would do it. I don't know if Saquon. I don't know. I don't really know the rules. Like are you handing the ball off in flag football? I. Listen, I could be stupid, but I. Are you? I don't think you are. To me, like Jameer Gibbs, Saquon's hands, like the one downfall of Saquon and downfall is the wrong way to describe it. The. The one I would say somewhat of a liability for just an all around elite player is. I'd say Saquon's hands are average. They're not bad, but they're not Marshall Falk or LT or Christian McCaffrey. I would go Gibbs there because I think you're throwing a lot of like wheel routes. So I, I don't think Saquon would be the guy. I mean you could pick a million receivers. I. There is no receiver on USA flag football who is better than, I mean 100 NFL wide receivers. So obviously you go Jefferson, Chase, Lamb. Like I think you could go like random dudes. Like you could take a guy from the Jags, you could take a guy from the. You take whoever you wanted. Jags have Brian Thomas. Like you could take whoever they would dominate. I think Kyler Murray would be the greatest flag football player ever. I mean ever. Because he's got a stronger arm than Lamar. I just feel like Kyler Murray, I don't know when I think flag football even more than Lamar and Lamar is like one of the greatest athletes of all time. I feel like Kyler would be my number one pick. Kind of a wild idea. But what if teams put a power back at quarterback when they ran the tush push? Teams know it's coming and the Eagles do it and still can't stop it. I understand that running backs are a bit smaller in terms of height. That might not work. But someone like Derek Henry under center would be unstoppable. He's an anomaly. But even if you had a powerback who's 510 or so, like a pre injury Nick Chubb, I think you can stay low. I'm sure there are factors like taking snaps under center that could be risky. I think that's a big thing. You know, we talk about this a lot with a quarterback. The quarterbacks, the center quarterback exchange is like the most fundamental part of just offense. I mean the offense cannot operate if you can't get lined up and the ball snapped. I do think snapping the ball, those guys make it look a little easier than like if I just put my running back down there and if I fumble, if it's a tie game, right? Let's say it's 20 to 20 and you do what you're doing and Coach X rolls out his running back. 20 to 20. Five minutes left. We're at the 50 yard line, it's fourth and one. Like I'm not punting, I'm playing to win the game right now. I roll up my running back to do Jalen hurts and the center quarterback exchange it, fumbles and their defensive tackle falls on it and they drive and win the game. Your coach would get destroyed. So I hear what you're saying. It is that that exchange is not as easy as I think the way we just act like it is. 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For more details on rates, fees and other Gemini credit card terms, see Rates and Fees. Love the pod. Loved what you said the other day about girls in the NFL Flag football. This is this is Emma. So we got a lady here. I'm a diehard Chiefs fan, not because Taylor Swift fan way before incautiously optimistic for upcoming season. Can I stop you right there? If You're a Chiefs fan. Like the only thing that you should be excited for is give me the date. Week one. I mean five Super Bowls in six years. One of the greatest quarterbacks ever and the best coach in the NFL. Cautiously optimistic. Fucking throw cautiously in the trash. You are optimistic until told otherwise every single season moving forward. Like you have been for the last several flaws. Like who's going to play left guard? Who's going to be our slot receiver? Who gives a shit? We got Patty, we got Spags and we got Andy. We're going to be okay. Feels like everyone is expecting us to go in a 10 year drought like Brady did. Do you see that from homes? Also, what are you thinking about the O line editions? I got mixed feelings. I'm hoping we can get more explosive on offense. You guys are going to be fine. You guys are going to be fine. You won 15 games last year. 15. Beat the Bills in the AFC championship game. Who had just beat the Ravens. You beat the Ravens the year before. You guys are going to be fine. I'll promise you. I think it's a little bit like the better version of what Andy had in the mid-2000s with Donovan McNabb. You know, until Terrell Owens got there, they did not have a bunch of high named wide receivers. They were a great defense, they had good running backs and they had a good offensive line. Obviously your offensive line needs to be better. But what do you think? Andy Reid is at his core, he's an offensive lineman. Gonna be fine. I would not bet against the Chiefs. Wanted to get your thoughts on the T Wolves and Thunder game. I understand that SGA is a superstar and I won't take that away from him. But even a non basketball player or casual basketball viewer can see that a lot of these calls for him were absurd. In my opinion, it's looking worse than Harden was getting. What are your thoughts? Well, your boy might have made, I'd say the biggest bet I've made in 2025. I had $4,500 in my account because of the PGA Championship. Now that wasn't technically winnings. It was just like getting my money back. And some, some of it was previous winnings and I basically just rolled that over with an extra $500 and put five GS on the Thunder or excuse me, on the T Wolves to win because they were plus 270 to win the series. Obviously the Thunder are good, but my Overall take is 68 wins is the greatest fugazi number in the history of professional sports. And that's not a shot at the Thunder, it's a shot at the people they played. A third of the league tanked all season long. Another five teams you can add to that list after, like Christmas. And then even the good teams take 10 to 20 games off a year. So it's like if you try really hard. I saw this when The warriors won 23 or 173 in 20, 15, 16, whatever year that was, the year before Durant got there, a huge part of their success. They tried every night. And in the league, if you are young, hungry and try every night and you're talented, you're gonna win at minimum 60. And so it's like, listen, the Thunder are good, but after watching them against the Nuggets, ain't the fucking 15 warriors. I didn't think so. Plus 270. I'm like, I'm hammering the wolves. Like, I get. Shea's going to win the mvp, but, like, why couldn't Ant be the best player in the series? And then you're watching last night and listen, Shay's getting some calls. My bigger issue, obviously, the referees. I hate the Harden style of baiting fouls. I despise that type basketball. My bigger issue, though, in the game was you have Anthony Edwards, who is like a young Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan level athlete. He should be attacking their throats every single play. Like, I get the three pointer is a big part of basketball. And listen, I. The warriors, my favorite team of all time that stretch of like 10 years was Steph Clay and Draymond in the couple years with Durant, but mainly Steph Clay and Draymond and specifically Stephen Clay, the way they played. So I'm pro three pointers, but like, after a while, if you're not hitting three pointers, like, try something else. And they just kept gunning three pointers. It was crazy. It's like you have. And I get. He kind of rolled his ankle. But do you have the best athlete on the floor? I already. I don't regret my bet, but I hate it when I Look at DraftKings. And it was plus 270 to win the series. And now it's like plus 4,500. It's like, shit, I'm still feeling good. We just got to win game two. So attack, attack, attack. And again, in what world? I've defended the NFL against Patrick Mahomes on this. You should not be able to fake, go out of bounds. Like, that's horseshit. You should be flagged. And he's not alone. Other quarterbacks have done that. If you do the fake and keep on going, you get a 15 yard penalty. The baiting of fouls. And there's a difference of like being smart about a bait and doing some of the stuff. I mean Harden was, it was ridiculous after a while, but the referees always turned on him in the playoffs and he, he'd melt like, you know, ice on an Arizona summer day. I just, I hate watching that style of basketball. But I hate. What I hate even more is and I haven't bet on the NBA all season long beside actually one warriors game in the playoffs, which part of the reason I had the money in my hopper was against I think the Rockets like game one or two. But I just, I hate watching a team shoot three pointer after three pointer after three pointer and it's like clank, clank, clank. It's like, I don't know guys, let's just get a different fucking shot and make a basket. Their lead is growing and growing as you keep hitting the rim. Huge fan of the Ravens. I recently had a debate with some friends while having a few beers. It takes about three or four beers to get us going into an NFL discussion. I feel you there, buddy. Gotta love it. My question for you today is, do you think Lamar Jackson can be considered a top 10 quarterback of all time if he wins at least one Super bowl and one more MVP? Aside from him, his improved throwing ability over the years and he's the best rushing quarterback ever? I think he would make a valid argument talent wise. I can't put too many guys over him. I can't admit he's yet to get over the playoff hunt, but Peyton was the same way and didn't win one until he was 30. By the way, one of my friends bet me a thousand dollars that Lamar will never win a Super Bowl. Not contingent on the fact that he can ring chase later in his career if he doesn't win one in Baltimore. I think he has three to five years. Well, he plays for one of the best organizations in the league, so his team's always going to be good. And it just like going into this season I think they're clearly one of the best teams in the league and he's obviously a huge part of that. And when the season starts, I mean they're on the short list of four or five teams that can. You feel confident going, the Ravens can win the super bowl, but he's got to play. You know, he's now had back to back years of just an atrocious interception in the playoffs and one of the things with playoff football is like we don't need the sexy stuff all the time. And he gets, he does that during the regular season. I mean, I would say one of the best plays I've ever seen him make was one of the games against the Bengals where he ran back and forth, did like a 360 and end up throwing a touchdown. It's one of the greatest plays he's ever made. I mean his highlight plays in the regular season, I bet when his career ends, you could put his highlight plays up there with anyone in the history league. The playoffs is more about like playing smart, not turning the ball over and getting first downs. And I think that's what they got to do. Play smart football. No turnovers. You could argue they'll fumble against the Bills where he like tripped and he put the ball down and it kind of hit freakish play. The interceptions cannot happen, not in those games because you're going to be in a game that it's going to be determined by probably less than a touchdown. So if I give you an interception and that turns into three or worst case scenario, seven, that could be a 10, 14 point swing. So I believe Lamar Jackson is good enough to win a Super Bowl. I would not have said that three or four years ago, but he has to translate, you know, part of like I think use the basketball analogy. Like why does James Harden have so much problems in the playoffs? It's because all the shit he's doing in the regular season, like no one cares. It's about playing smart basketball in a playoff series, especially in a game five, six and seven, you know, like we don't need 50 points out of you, buddy. We seem like 24 in playing under control and playing smart and sometimes like he kind of gets lost in no man's land. And listen, I think Lamar Jackson's way better than James Harden at their individual sports. But I, I do think he's got to take like Patrick Mahomes is really good at that. Just playing like a smart game. We're just not going to turn the ball over. We're not even going to score that many points. But I'm going to play at a high level, intelligent, like I'm going to use the. I'm not going to let you beat me. I'm a Bronco fan. We added Greenlaw, Hu, Funga and the rookie from Texas. On offense. We had an absolute weapon in Harvey who has a. We had an absolute weapon in Harvey who has a sneaky great signing in INGRAM we are plus 40,000 to win the Super Bowl. So basically bet 100, win 4,000. Does that not seem like a great value as a flyer? Bet the ceiling for this defense could be on par with the 15 defense. Seems a little high to me. I saw that defense. I mean they had Vaughn Miller in their prime. I like Bonito, but Von Miller in his prime is one of the greatest players in the history of the league. Yet Ware you had Wolf, you had Malik Jackson. Yet three elite corners in Talib, Chris Harrison slot and young Roby might not have been elite, but Roby was pretty good. You could hit back then. So you had T.J. ward who would you know. Absolutely. Mollywop you. Brandon Marshall was a good linebacker. You had Travathan. That defense is as good as defense I've ever seen life that in Seattle and the Harbaugh Niners were pretty good, but I think those defense they were faster. I mean you guys are good. I wouldn't would need a lot out of Bo Nix. I like Bo Nix. But do I close my eyes and see Bo Nicks win the super bowl in year two? Seems like pretty crazy. But I'm with you. Pretty good value. You guys are going to be good. I think the 15 defense though feels like a pretty big Again, the sport was different. So maybe right. What are your thoughts on the NFL team owners allowing one player per team to play flag football in the upcoming Olympics? Also, which players are you picking from each team and why? If I own the team. If you own the team, think about the players are going to want for flag football, they're not going to want your right guard. They're going to want Lamar Jackson, they're going to want Christian McCaffrey or you know, A.J. brown. Right. They're going to want Tyree Kill, they're going to want the best offensive players in the NFL. It's like wait, I gave this guy 100 plus million dollars and he's going to go in a situation against people that I have no clue who they are. That is a gonna be a big deal. Like I, I would not sign off on letting them. I would not be comfortable doing that. I would not. And it's one thing in some of these sports, like one the Olympics, you know, for Michael Phelps or a skier or whoever swimmer, it's, that's their Super Bowl. But in football, the super bowl is a Super bowl. You know, like I would not be comfortable with that. Remember a long, long time ago, I forget his first name, but his last name I think was Edwards. I think this is late 90s. Might have been like 97, 98. One of the best young running backs in the NFL. Played for the Patriots and the Pro bowl used to have like, I think it was volleyball and he came down funny on the sand and his leg was ruined. His career was over. I think they ended volleyball right then and there. But I would struggle with. Yeah, just. Yeah. CD Lamb. Yeah, take him. He's gonna play in the Olympics against China, Mexico and India. Yeah, no, no problem. What? No chance. Now I get. If I was the player, I'd want to do that. But I would really struggle as an owner, as a coach, as a gm. Trusting this whole situation. I would not feel comfortable with it again. Would I give let my fifth wide receiver go for sure. But it's like, hey, can we, can we use Sam Laporta? It's like, well, this little dude from the Dominican who thinks he's fucking Ronnie Lott over here takes out his knee and all of a sudden Sam Laporta is laying there because of the dude from Spain. Wanted to get on the NFL's radar. No thanks. This holiday season, don't forget your number one fan. You. So what's a gift you could use? Maybe go to more home games or even travel to some away games while rocking a new away team jersey? Well, they've got something for you. 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For more details on rates, fees and other Gemini credit card terms, see Rates and Fees. I know you're more of an NFL analyst, less fan now. As a fan, you know, I'm kind of a hybrid. I would say I've just lost my true, true emotional ups and downs, which I still get from gambling. I quite get. Like, I still, like. I follow the 49ers really closely, but it's just, it's not quite the same. And I'm jealous of some of you that like, still have that. Like when sometimes when I hear like Bill Simmons, like, how does he. How does he still have that deep in his soul? I'm kind of. I'm kind of jealous. I wish I did. Like I would. I would sign up for a big story that would benefit us here on the podcast over something 49ers every day of the week and twice on Sundays. But as a fan, would you prefer to root for a team that is always competitive and in the mix but has no true super bowl chance like the Steelers or a team who has big ups and downs over the years but takes huge swings and is a true contender during the up stretches? Think Rams, Eagles, etc. As a Steeler fan, being in the endless cycle of a good but not good enough has become sickening and I just want the tanking season where they finally get a Top pick. Well, using your examples, would I rather be a fan of the Rams and the Eagles recently? Yes, than the Steelers. But if I was a 60 year old guy, being a fan of the Steelers over the course of my life has been pretty incredible. I think if we just use non teams like would you rather win a Super bowl one year and then miss the playoffs for the next five or would you rather be Mike Tomlin and the Steelers and for the next six years know that you're going to win nine or ten games for as great as it sounds, win that super bowl is an incredible. Watching a team win three or four games because part of it is like, okay, you suck. There is no guarantee that you get out of that. Google how many times like the Jags have drafted high. Google how many times like the Arizona Cardinals have drafted really high when you're a bad team. The Giants have been bad now for like 15 years. The jets haven't made the playoffs since 2010. It's May 2025. So I hear you. And if you could, what you would sign up for? Can I tank and just get like, I don't know, I don't even need Patrick Mahomes, but just a guy that's going to be good and be my franchise quarterback, you would sign up for that every, every day of the week. Right? It's also easy to be like. And listen, I'm a huge believer in this. You learn a lot in life when you fail. I've been fired twice. I got fired twice by the time I was like 31 years old. So when that happens to you, it's very jarring, but it forces you in like a fight or flight mode. And I've known people, not me like my peers, but like my parents peers, guys that have gone bankrupt. And you hear some of these stories, you see it on Instagram, like I went bankrupt and I battled back and Now I'm worth $500 million. I knew a couple people, again, not personally, but like through my parents that went BK in the 90s and their life never turned around. And I hear stories sometimes, either through like mutual friends or my brother's kind of still in that world of like guys still talking about their heyday of like 1996. It's like, bro, you lost everything in 1998. There's a long time. What have you been doing? So it's, it's easy to go like, let's just suck. Let's blow this bitch up. There is no guarantee that you flip that thing around. So I'm all for. I'm not saying you're spoiled because you're not. I get the frustration. To me the move. I think the move is not like trying to tank because your organization is not going to do that. It is not going to do that. Which I respect. The move is this and I respect this. I'm not a Tomlin hater. Guy's a fucking stud. I do think a breakup can be healthy. Like some breakups and some divorces are really, really ugly. Right. Some worst case scenario you're like Cassie and Diddy like what the hell is going on there? Right. But there's a lot of them like yeah, we just kind of fell out of love and she's a great person. He's awesome. He's a great. She's an awesome mother for my children. He's great supporting my kids. We just, we just. It was time and the Eagles and Andy Reid are a great example. Andy got to leave the Chiefs got a new coach. The Eagles got to experiment and have won a couple Super Bowls since. And Andy's gone on to become a legend like you could. The Tomlin thing now worst case scenario is like this with the Saints and Sean Payton. But I think that's how the change happens. Last year was the opportunity blow the bitch up. Send Tomlin packing again. When I say packing, he'd have his 10 teams would try to hire him. He'd get a job immediately and go hire Ben Johnson. Like that's your big swing. But they won't do that. And I understand Mike Tomlin like I don't. I love being the coach of the Steelers. I would too if I was him. Andy Reid liked being the coach of the Eagles. That to me is the move. I've been an avid listener since the summer of 23. Do you think the new kickoff will stick? It seems overwhelming, seems overly complicated and did not seem to impact the games last season as much as it was hyped to be. Do also name idea for people to DM you who care enough to stick around instead of coffee. What about fourth downers? Your show is three and out but the ones who stick around for fourth down anyways. You know what's funny is I get a lot of feedback that people like the mailbag Sometimes especially in the off season when we're just like trying to pick topics that not much is going on. This, you know this pays the bills here. You got to grind right now is this type stuff. I get a lot of feedback that people like it when I get asked questions non sports. I Do think I don't have the data in front of me but I remember a headline from Goodell. I think they liked the kickoff a lot. I agree it didn't give as many like touchdowns, but it did create a lot more returns where it had just ended. It's kind of like moving the patty back when you have the patty from like the 2 yard line or 5 yard line or wherever the hell it was. I guess it was snapped at the 2 so kicked at the 7. So it was a 710 like 17, 18 yard kick. It was like 99.9% of the time. And Belichick used to rail against this like what's the. This is. Why don't we just give them, just give a free point if you want it or go for two and then they moved it back and it's become like 90%. So I think they're just, they just want a little variety. I don't think it's going anywhere. No chance that I think they pivot off that. You mentioned how concert and stadium revenue go directly contributes to paying players and coaches. Well, it depends. You got to, I mean if you own your stadium, you know, some people don't own their stadium. Some people are in business agreements with the city, with the municipality. So every franchise is different. Who owns like the Raiders, I don't know what their setup is with Vegas, but like every dollar that comes in, not every team owns 100% of that dollar. Some mino 50% of that dollar. Some might owe 30 cents on that dollar, some might own 70% on the dollar. So it's not every team is the same that way. I mean like the 49ers. I know Santa Clara, they split revenue. Could you go into how wealthier owners are able to pay players more even though there is a salary cap. I've heard the bonus years of kicking the can down the road, but it never fully makes sense to me. So let's say I have, I'm a team and I only have $10 million of salary cap. Well, I can get a guy that another team could go, hey, we'll give you five years, $100 million. And obviously over that course of that five year deal, I can set up the salary cap hits at 20 million a year. I can set it up where it starts really low and gets really high. But I can go as an owner with a lot of cash and go, listen, the team X wants you for five years, $100 million. They're going to give you a signing bonus of $25 million. That means over the course of the first, I think once you sign it, it's either 14 days or 21 days, that signing bonus will be in your account. Well, I will give you $60 million signing bonus. So of the hundred million dollar contract, I will pay you $60 million up front. I mean, I'd be aggressive, but so I have the cash to take advantage of the salary and then I can do these void years and make that five year contract eight years and spread that $60 million that I give them in a signing bonus over the course of the contract. So a lot of teams, I mean, this is the Bengals, like, look how much signing bonuses they gave Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, specifically T. Higgins number wasn't that high, but their owners not giving out that much cash. Historically, the Raiders, you know, even once they move to Vegas, like Mark Davis doesn't have the cash that some of these other owners have. Jeffrey Lurie, you know, spent a lot of cash. Jimmy Haslam has spent more actual cash. So like, just because I have all these contracts on the books, how much cash am I actually paying people out? Because I'm paying more cash than the actual salary cap potentially. Jimmy Haslam's blown by that, I think Jeffrey Lurie and last year was the Browns, the Eagles and the Niners in some order. I know the Browns were one. The cash that they spent on their team far exceeded the salary cap because of signing bonuses. And it's how, it's how you can manipulate the system where in basketball it's like, I give Steph Curry five years, $300 million, I just pay him, what if the first year of the contracts, $40 million, I just pay him $40 million. He doesn't get a signing bonus. Now it's all guaranteed, right? Juan Soto gets 10 years, 700 million or whatever the fuck that number is, which again, God, he loafs a lot. That'll do it. Hopefully. That was a little Cliff note version explanation. Have a great day. Have a good Memorial Day. I think I'm just gonna, I'm gonna go off the grid for a couple days and just, just relax. So I will see everyone soon and take it easy and enjoy a few cocktails on me. The volume AI is redefining what's possible for your business. 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