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They're into do exactly what I tell you. We can argue till we're blue in the face. That's how they want to play. That's why they like guys like Kirk Cousins and Brock Purdy and Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel, he will get rid of the ball quick and go exactly where you want to go with him. Now, can you see that guy? He's kind of short. We'll find out. But I think they did that to hopefully, like, okay, this will shut the owner up. The problem is, is that Shador kept dropping. So it's like, wait, didn't no one picked him in the fourth, and then he's still there in the fifth. Now it gets to a spot where the owner tells you we're taking them. And when you watch the reaction of those guys in the draft room, and I know they push back against this, you could see in Stefanski's eyes he wanted no part of that. Andrew Barry did not want to make that pick. And then when they Discussed it in the. In the press conference. It was clear like this was not their doing. And we have a long enough history to now know this owner forces them to do things they don't want to do. I think Andrew Barry and I think Kevin Stefanski are good at their job. Now, I don't have to agree with their quarterback evaluation because I think Shador Sanders is a better NFL prospect than Dylan Gabriel. They clearly did not. And it makes no sense to take a guy in the third and then another in the fifth because Michael Lombardi used to talk about this for a long time, that NFL practices are math equations. You don't get an unlimited amount of plays. This isn't basketball where it's like, well, just run it again. Eventually you can only run so many plays with your players, especially now because of the rules. So in a practice, and I'm just going to pick some even numbers to make things even, let's say during a team period, we will have 30 reps of ones versus ones, twos versus twos, threes versus threes. Well, we're not. We don't spread those equally, right? I give more reps to my better players, especially once the pads come on and train again. So when I got pads on my ones, and I've been to a lot of practices and every coach does a little bit differently, get 70% of the reps, then the twos come in and get the next 20% of the reps. And then the threes get, let's say, 10 to 5% of the reps. Now, it might change on a given day, but it is disproportionately weighted to starters, backups and threes. And the thing is, like, at tight end, if I'm George Kittle, I'm like, hey, coach, I need a blow. I'm exhausted. It's like, hey, take this. Take the next 10 plays off. So the ones, the twos and the threes, he just sits on the sideline. And the other tight ends rotate with the ones, rotate with the twos, rotates with the threes. I can do that at wide receiver, I can do that at running back, I can do that at all the other skill positions. Right? I cannot do that at quarterback. Quarterbacks aren't coming in and out. They stay with the unit. Now, with the threes, you can rotate the threes or you can rotate a guy with the twos, I guess. But like, if you are the twos quarterback, you get those reps. It's why, you see, when there's a competition for the backup job. They usually rotate them through training camp but over time, like one guy ends up getting more reps. What you would have given going into training camp. Obviously Joe Flacco is going to get the ones and just based on his experience, I don't think this guy's any good. He's going to start with the twos. That's going to be Kenny Pickett. So you're going to have two guys rotating with the threes. You're just not going to get that many plays. So it doesn't make any sense. I've seen a lot of people try to justify. It's like just keep throwing darts at the dartboard. And I agree with most positions, it is just very difficult to take multiple quarterbacks in a draft and get a feel for either one throughout practices. So I. You can't convince me and other people have written about this in the Athletic that this wasn't the owner. And anytime the owner, I'm all for the owner having opinions, it's his team. But when he's forcing you to take players and this feels like it's like this is out of Shadors control. But I just think it's a weird spot. And the other thing, and I mentioned this to Colin, is coaches and front office people sometimes disagree, right? I like a player that you don't like or vice versa. And sometimes we just agree to disagree and we take the player. And if the coach doesn't like the player that the front office drafted, he can manipulate how many reps that guy gets at practice, how much energy and effort I put into them. Right? Especially when you're talking mid to late round picks. And if the coaching staff, if the head coach, especially if the front office as well is not on board, they will not care. Because part of, and this is the cool part about like being Jalen Milroe, listen, I thought he's a pretty big wild card, pretty risky pick. But here's what I know. John schneider and Mike McDonald all in on him. Think about Mike was around Lamar for years. Think about what made John Schneider a legend. He pounded the table for Russell Wilson. So those guys believe in mobile quarterbacks. You know, Russell was a better thrower than Lamar right away, just in terms of accuracy. Lamar obviously became a much better player over the course of the last four or five years. But when people support you, and this is no different than any industry, when you work at a place where the guy that hired you or the guy that runs the company believes in you, wants you there, it's much Easier to succeed as a player. Just like as any normal employee, you can start sensing like, do these guys even want me here? How often have we heard over the years, older veteran guys, just players throughout the history of the league to be like, yeah, I was out of place. The coach in the GM didn't like me, but they just didn't want me there. And I knew it was destined to fail early on. Happens all the time. Will continue to happen. It's happened historically in the, in the league. So I think this is a very clunky, weird, bizarre spot. And while in theory I get like, I'll just throw darts at a dartboard. Accumulate as many players as you can. Well, yeah, it's easy to rotate slot corners in and out. It's easy. Like this slot receiver gets these reps. It's not really how quarterback works. You kind of got to get a cohesion with the unit you're repping with. So it's just very bizarre situation there. And obviously the prank call situation is something that's gone pretty viral. Embarrassing. Look for the kid who, you know, stuck his tail between his legs with his apology post. Something calls them bad. Look for Jeff Ulrich. I also think some of the reaction, like, Jeff Ulbrich should be suspended. It's like, I don't even necessarily believe the Atlanta Falcons. Of course this was the Atlanta Falcons. Like, of course this stink is on Atlanta. What, just a poorly run operation, but, like, it was his child. And I've been a college kid and done dumb things. My senior year in college, 2000, the fall of 2007, I actually, I don't really talk about this ever, because I was a business intern for the Kansas City Chiefs. So from basically middle to late August till the middle of December, I moved to Kansas City. My dad had like a friend that he went to college with who knew a guy whose kid rented us a room for like 300 bucks, lived in Overland, Kansas, and worked for the Chiefs. And I worked in sales. So I tried to help the guy sell, like, you know, sell things in the stadium in terms of signage. Just tried to do a bunch of stuff in sales. It's not what I wanted to do, but it was the only way I get into the NFL. I. I had mailed at the time. It was hard to get emails in 07. So I had mailed, like every team in the NFL and a lot of college teams asking if they had any sort of internship in football. And I still have them in, in my closet. A bunch of people emailed you or mailed Me back. The Giants, the Packers, the Bears. These, like, generic, like, thanks for your interest. We got nothing. And the Chiefs were the one team that were like, yeah, you can come work for us. I was like, I'm gonna work in the NFL. It was an unpaid job in sales in a cubicle with like 50, 50 other interns. But I also utilize that time to meet people on Herm Edwards staff. And early on in the season before they really started to suck, I would go up a couple nights during the week and try to help him out with, like, miscellaneous bullshit. Basically his, like, head of. I guess he would have been like the head of football administration or something. He interviewed me to Herm. He was cool. He kind of got my really, the ball rolling of what I aspired to do after that. And they used to have these booklets. And basically it had every number of every human in the NFL. Because cell phones, while they existed in 07, most people in any industry in your office had a hard line. And if I wanted to get a hold of the CEO of Microsoft or Jerry Jones, he had a number directly to his office that was separate of a cell phone. And this booklet had every number in the league, from GMs to coaches to owners, obviously all the famous people, not players or anything, but everyone that had an office in the league. Well, when I went back to Cal Poly, because I still had spring and I guess winter and spring, we were in the quarter system, I went back and lived with my buddies still in a couple. Couple quarters of just. I basically had like one class remaining. I was partying, hanging, doing nothing, doing whatever I want to do. And I think one late night, I bust out the book. We probably had a few too many. And I was like, you guys want to call Belichick again? This, this. I forget that I actually had forgotten about this until my buddy Trent had told me a couple years ago about this situation. And I'm pretty sure two guys. And again, this could have been Pacific Standard Time, midnight on like a Saturday. So people wouldn't even have been in the office. We definitely called Belich and Jerry Jones. And you would get like, especially, you know, whatever the number was, extension 219 or extension 17, and be like, this Jerry Jones office or this Belichick. It was. It was incredible. We were all laughing on stuff. So I. I think, listen, kids do dumb now. I didn't get anyone on the horn. I don't even think we left. We hung up. You know, when it would go like, beep, we just hang up. But I. Everyone, the overreaction? Is it stupid? 100% Is it a kid being a yes. 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The other thing is Belichick the video or the interview he did today with CBS Morning News. First I saw it as Portnoy had recorded it and said, this is the most bizarre, awkward interview I've ever seen. And then it goes completely viral of him and his young girlfriend, who basically is acting as his PR manager, who's chiming in. It's really, really uncomfortable. And part of being a college head coach, which is a lot different than an NFL head coach. Even with the nil and buying players, there is still an element of selling yourself in the NFL. I don't need to sell shit. I sell by what I pay you. And do you want to win or lose. And that is historically how it's operated in college. It's changed, but like the reason Saban and Kirby and Ohio State and Michigan always got the best players. All my life. Just because you couldn't pay guys above the table, you can still pay guys below the table. You still have to recruit their parents. The players. Stuff still matters in your personality. Like, look at the top head coaches in college football have big personalities and it matters. Sitting in living rooms and I'm watching Belichick thinking, like, this is a little bizarre. And I don't know how good North Carolina is going to be this year. No clue. Know nothing about their roster beside they just signed this kid from South Alabama who was like a mobile dual threat quarterback, which feels a little bit weird, but we'll see how that operates in Belichick's offense, which I'm not even quite sure what is, but we'll find out what it is pretty quickly. I just watched that video and I thought to myself of like, Belichick's never working in the NFL again. I don't think anyone's hiring this guy. And I, I think the situation with his girlfriend. Like most owners in the NFL have price seven girlfriends. No one judges you. Robert Kraft's wife died and he had like a 30 year old on his arm the next day. So it's like, it's. It's not like the NFL is some moral police when it comes to the age gap of who you're allowed to date. Nobody cares. But it's one thing when you hear about it and it's another thing to see it in that environment. And Belichick gave this interview like he had just lost to the Kansas City Chiefs and they're on to Cincinnati. And it's like, I don't know if you can really act like that in These settings in the position you're now in with this girl on the side who, I don't blame her. She's, you know, she can say whatever she wants. Would she be dating this 73 year old if he was a plumber? Of course not. It helps when you go, this guy's worth probably 100 plus million dollars. Let's call a spade a spade. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's her prerogative. She can, she can bang whoever she wants to. But when you see that version on cbs, you're like, this is rough, man. This is, this is rough for your current job. And I'm a Belichick fan. I think he's the best coach I've ever seen. And some of the stuff that people crush him for, none of it matters in the pros. It's a very black and white league. You win or you lose. You win or do you lose. Nothing else really matters. Belichick had a guy who murdered someone down the road from his house. It's like, yeah, we'll cut him, we'll move on, we'll win three more Super Bowls. That's the NFL for you in a nutshell, the Baltimore Ravens. I've talked about this over and over, like as polarizing as Shador. He honestly overshadowed some of these red flag guys that were drafted in the first and second round. Major red flag guys. No, if, if the guy gets 10 sacks, no one will give a shit beside a couple big Js on Twitter that no one will listen to. And like the reason the Ravens think about this. The Ravens drafted a kicker in the sixth round. They have no clue if Tucker is DeSean Watson 2.0. And let's face it, if Justin Tucker had got. Cover your ears, kids, a handy in a massage for therapist a couple times, no one in the NFL would care. If you don't think most, most people in the NFL haven't experienced something like that. People in society haven't. Like a lot of you would be throwing stones at a glass house. Listen, I'm not going to get up here in my eye horse and act like you know, you haven't been to a massage therapists over the years. The reason Deshaun Watson was so I would say bizarre in such a toxic situation is like, bro, were you addicted to this? Was this an addiction for you? That's weird. Especially when you're like a good looking quarterback who's really rich, shouldn't need a bunch of handies at the local massage therapist, right? And the Tucker thing Is feels like it's in a similar vein. But the reason they drafted a kicker, and more than likely Justin Tucker won't be on their team this year is because he can't kick anymore. His career is winding down. He's not good. If he was still wildly considered one of the greatest kickers of all time in the prime of his career, they would overlook it. It's why Belichick all those years, it was like doing some weird shit when he comes out of that Nantucket house with his shirt off. Probably not sleeping with a 50 year old. Don't blame him there either. Like he's got options, right? Everyone's like, well, he's Bill Belichick. Six rings, you start struggling people. Like when you're a sales guy and you're the number one sales guy in your company, you can do whatever you want. They're probably not going to get rid of you. Mr. Quote is four quarters in a row. See how that goes. And I just think sometimes people get on their high horse about stuff in football. It's like if they think you can play, you're going to be on the squad. If they don't think you can play, you won't be or they'll overlook you. And the argument that we've had for a long time, which I, I do think is like kind of jumped the shark about the conferences and the where the best players are and we argued forever about the who should be in the playoffs. And I understand just because you have a lot of guys drafted doesn't mean you're a great team. But it's pretty clear watching Ole Miss, right, or Alabama that even in years where they underachieve, they're way better than smu. And looking back at the College Football Playoff when everyone argued SMU deserves it. How many guys in SMU just have drafted the SEC again for I don't know, the hundredth year in a row had more players than any conference drafted. If you combine the ACC and the Big 12, they don't even equal the SEC and they only eclipse the Big Ten by a couple players. I feel stronger and stronger about this take and thought by the day, definitely by the year, this is only going to continue to consolidate and I'm not pro. Like what has happened to college football? I did not want the PAC 12 to disappear. I was not rooting for that. I love the Pac 12. I wish it still existed. I loved watching Oregon State try to upset usc. I loved watching Washington State try to take down Kaylin Dubois when he had a loaded Team that was cool. Those days are over. Those programs are now essentially D1, double A. Fresno State got my start in football. It'll be D1, double A or D2 here really quick. These programs that aren't not only Power four, we're headed to the Power two. That's where we're going. Miami, Florida State, north, they already want out of the acc. So the lucrative programs in the third best conference, one out, they don't want it to exist. And listen, I respect the Big 12 in terms of basketball and football. It's a terrible conference. It really, it's an, it's, it is much closer the Big 12. And I'm not some shit talk. I loved Arizona and Arizona State when they were in the PAC 12. But watching those two programs, especially Arizona State this year play in the Big 12, it's just not a very good football conference. They lost their two best programs, Texas and Oklahoma. The Big 12 is closer to the Mountain west than it is the Big Ten or the sec. Honestly, I don't even think it's that close. So like the argument, and this is where college football is going to become pretty fascinating, A lot of people have wondered, Quinn, yours, Did Quinn yours make a mistake? It was obvious when he chose to come out in the NFL that he could have made more money staying in college. He knew that when he made the decision because we all knew it. It's like, Quinn, you're not going to go in the first two days of the draft. And we know the going rate when we see Carson Beck making a couple million dollars. Like you can still make millions of dollars. Now I could also understand being a 21 year old kid. Like, I don't want to go to class anymore, I don't want to stay on campus. I don't want people to view me like Tyler Schuck. I'm just here for the long haul. I do think though, you'll look back if the NFL career does not go well. It is hard in the real world. Really, really difficult, very difficult to make millions of dollars. And if you're out of the NFL like a lot of players are in under three years, the amount of money that you will accumulate, especially if you only play on the couple practice squads and then you barely even get a year and you're out of the league, you will never be able to recoup that money. Now maybe you go on to a successful career, but it's more than likely going to take you some time to build up your career to even make big time money for A decade, two decades. Like it's going to take a while and I think it's going to be a conversation moving forward. Like Carson Beck went to Miami. He was in the same situation. He easily could have come out. He would have been drafted just like all these other guys in the sixth, seventh round. Instead he's like, I'm going to cash in. I think it's crazy. Like I wouldn't give millions of dollars to Carson Beck or Quinn Ewers, but I'm not running these programs and these programs are proving they will do it. Now I also think this argument, like that's out there on the Internet. The guys, if they don't get drafted where they want to go, should be able to come back to college. Like, no, I don't agree with that, but maybe we should lengthen the time. I'd have no problem with going up to like free, like you're allowed to go to the combine and through basically free agency to start a free agency. March 15, that's the date and you're able to test the waters. You know, the NBA has done this for a long time. Go to the combine and if you want to back up. I even think the NFL in college has tried to institute that, but I think more guys should utilize that. And if you want to stay, hey, this is going right now. I do think it's a little complicated with the transfer portal and everything, but that's a lot of money to pass up. It really is. But I also understand as someone I could count on two hands, the things I've learned in class, in college. Not even I don't think I learned anything in a classroom in college. Not one thing in college really benefited my life. Everything I learned was outside of the classroom, meeting new people, trying to date women that I didn't grow up with, like doing stuff for professionally when, you know, nobody trying to kind of forge your path. Like everything I Learned in my 4, 5, 4 years and a couple quarters at Cal Poly was outside of a classroom. So I understand these guys going, this is stupid. I agree with you. Unless you're going to become a doctor or an engineer, most things you're going to learn in this classroom will not benefit you as you age professionally at all. But like I, I know people that are just ready for the next challenge and ready for the next thing. And I can imagine it's easier for me at 40 years old to value money and understand like, and be able to look at things from a 20,000 foot view than it is for a young guy. Who's just been making. I bet when yours made millions of dollars the last couple years, because I'll just make more. And he'll look back maybe in five years like, God, I should have just transferred A and M. I'm just picking random schools. But he clearly would have had options. And it's going to be fascinating to watch how this plays out. Like if these guys. And part of it is this. You know, Shador made a lot of money in branding because he was a really famous college player. Same with Quinn Ewers, really famous college player. That brand changes dramatically. If you're not good in the NFL, no one cares. I've always hated athletes that try to start brands that basically are just copying like Michael Jordan or Tiger woods or some of these guys. Like the biggest brands in my life when it comes to athletes are based on guys who are legends, champions, the greatest players of all time. I mean the greatest athlete brand. Not even close. Is Michael Jordan also known for one of the greatest champions in the history of society. I don't even know what TB12 is, but when you say TB12, everyone knows it. Why? Because he's got seven Super Bowls. Tiger woods literally changed the way business professionals wore collared shirts to work and changed an entire industry, the polo industry, because he was winning majors every single year. Part of your brand has to be greatness, right Patrick? You can build a brand and brands behind Patrick Mahomes. Why he wins non stop. The NBA is full of these guys whose brand like, what are you doing? You know this ain't gonna work. And usually it doesn't. Now I'm not saying like I, I kind of, I feel like you're just being a hater, talking reality. And I think these guys are going to look back like, did I make a mistake now? I don't. Shador, I'm sure thought even if he fell, was going to be a second round pick. Everyone, every single human knew that Quinn Ewers was not going to get drafted very high. Honestly, I'm a little surprised he got drafted at all. He could have stayed, chose not to. And I, I wonder if he's going to be used as an example moving forward. The difference, you know, basically they came to a fork in the road, him and Carson Beck. They were in two separate cars driving right next to each other. Carson Beck went, I'm going to cash in Cha Ching. Quinn Ewer said, I can never look at another professor who even knows if he was going to class. I've talked to some of you young guys half Your classes are online. I would have died for an online class when I was in college. He's like, I'm going pro. And you get drafted late and you only make 100 grand, which is incredible for 99.9% of, you know, 20, 21, 22 year olds. But when you've been used to making millions of dollars, it has to be like, damn, did I make the right decision? The volume.

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