← The Herd with Colin Cowherd
The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - What's going with the Raiders, is Luke Fickell the problem at Wisconsin, and Baker for MVP?
01:05:25
Loading summary
Transcript1 lines
- [00:00]
A
This is an iHeart podcast. Look, if you smoke or dip, I'm going to give you a few good reasons to try Zyn Nicotine Pouches. First, Zyn is America's number one nicotine pouch brand. And Zyn offers an unbelievable rewards program. There's a lot of options for nicotine satisfaction, but there's only one Zen. Visit zen.com find to find Zen at a store near you. Again, that's zen.com find zen spelled z y N. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing? John Middlekop 3Now podcast Thursday night Football. We got the New York Football Giants taking on the Philadelphia Eagles. We will be live on YouTube after the show. Follow that YouTube page. Obviously be out on in the morning as an audio podcast. So we'll be reacting Stuckey. I'll record with Stuckey on. Well, if you're listening to this on Thursday, I'm probably recording with him right now. So that'll be the show for Friday. And today I said, you know what? I was looking at a lot of the mailbag questions and they were a lot of them were stuff that I was going to talk about anyway. So I said, you know what, let's just do a massive mailbag. Onmiddlekoff onmiddalcoff is my Instagram fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered on the show throughout Wednesday. It looks like the Belichick thing is getting even worse. So if something officially happens, I will definitely react to that. But I was like, you know, I've talked about that two days in a row. We will just wait till he quits or he's fired, which all signs kind of point to that happening now, which is insane. If you would have told me even the biggest haters that hated Bill Belichick, that don't like Mike Lombardi, that he wouldn't make it to week six, he wouldn't make it to the cow game. I don't think they would have believed you. I definitely would not have. So if he doesn't coach next Friday, quits or is fired, that's pretty insane. And this is why people like me have jobs, because can't make this stuff up. It's the ultimate reality television show. Now, I didn't think he was going to be a Carolina lifer, but I would have put the over under him like two and a half years. But looks like that might not be the case. Who knows? By the time you listen to this, Belichick might Not be the coach in North Carolina. You guys know the drill. If you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to three and out. Let's dive right into Allen here. Let me see if I clicked it. I don't know if he said it or not, but what are your thoughts on the Jonathan Gannon situation with D. Markado and gannon being fined $100,000. Growing up playing football, it just looked like average stuff our high school coaches would do to us. And if you asked me, Gannon had the right to be furious with him. My initial reaction was it was an all time screw up by the player, which at the time when Gannon lost it, didn't know it was going to lose him the game, but he was clearly furious because the only way like it was, it would have been impossible for the Titans to win the game. Literally impossible. If he scores 28 to 6 or the worst team in the league, the game's over, then it is officially. They could have called it right then and obviously it flipped. And Jonathan Gannon's no dummy. He's been coaching long enough to realize what that cannot happen. I mean, it was an embarrassment. Right? That is a coaching point that gets hammered to players even when the situations happen in the league. Right? But that's a natural one. Throughout training camp, throughout the season, that gets brought up and talked about. It's an embarrassing moment. And he's really mad now. I've seen some players go, you can't touch the player. Like, he hit him. To me, it looked like on a chest plate, like a. Below the shoulder pad. And it wasn't like he socked him in the face. And then he apologized, said, I slept on it. It was a bad look. Which you could go, listen, part of your deal, you know, your team's not winning that many games over the course of your career is kind of holding it together. You mentally lost it. But if my wife freaked out because I slightly undercooked the rice tonight for dinner, like, it'd be like, what are you talking about? Now, granted, she's pregnant, so emotions can run high, but if I flooded our closet and, and our master bathroom, like, I would expect her reaction to not be great. And I think if he had just lost it because D. Markado had taken the wrong aim point on the outside zone, he's like, bro, calm down. He literally dropped the ball on, I don't know, the inch line and like gave the Titans life, which ended up giving them a lot of life because they won the game. I think also 100,000. And I say this about any fight basketball players, baseball players, NFL players. I think fines are egregiously high. I mean, when I see some of these players getting like $25,000 for dress infraction, I'm like, that's an outrageous amount of money. And most of these guys are not Patrick Mahomes making $50 million. So if you make a million dollars and you get fined a couple times at 25, $50,000, that's net, right? That's getting fined off your net income, not the gross. So Jonathan Gannon lives in a ten million dollar house in Paradise Valley. Like, he's doing fine. I do think $100,000 fine for that is insane. If you wanted to say, like, he got fined 10 grand and got a slap on the wrist $100,000. It's not even about soft because I think the league is so reactionary. They don't care about any of this shit. They really don't. Like, they're not like, there's no one in the league office offended or anything. They just PR. They react, right? Ray Rice's wife gets KO'd, it gets leaked. They react. I mean, it's just constantly reactionary. They don't actually care about anything beside trying to make the most money possible with television games. Like that's their one goal, to be as popular as possible and make as much money as possible. Everything else is pure reactionary. And I'd say pure theater. Like that's what the Jonathan Gannon thing is. But if you're Jonathan Gannon and his wire that comes every week or two weeks, that ain't theater. It's like, that's insane. Like, I apologize. I thought his apology was genuine. He regretted it, which again, he didn't hit the guy in the face, like, hit him in the pad. Like you said. Anyone that played high school football, obviously college football, like, these things happen all the time. I mean, people scream things that you could never scream in any other profession, which I just did it to myself. Who cares? Like, I hate that. It's like, well, you couldn't do this. And well, yeah, no shit. In the insurance cubicle. We understand that football is a different world. People swear at each other constantly scream at each other constantly. The only reason he lost his mind is because it was the dumbest play of all time. And everyone that had the Cardinals in a Survivor pick just in any sort of money line parlay support Scannon. So, yeah, $100,000. I don't think it has anything to do with soft. I just think it has to do with, like, I think sometimes these people in some of these corporate positions have a false sense of, like, the way people look at stuff. Again, my reaction was like, not that big a deal. I would imagine most players didn't think it was that big a deal. I saw some older players, like, you can't put your hands on you. Like, I don't know. I mean, you kind of hit him in the shoulder pad. So that big a deal. I'm with you. I mean, I didn't. That's over my head because I didn't think it was $100,000. When I saw that number, I was like, are we serious? Like, the player ruins the game, has to own it. The coach apologizes for losing his mind. Losing his mind would be strong for, for the interaction and can't we just move on? Question for the back. Not to be a broken record, because the topic is definitely being worn out, but let's say the Eagles lose to the Giants or squeak out a win. What's the likelihood of the Eagles moving on from their OC and pursuing Mike McDaniels as an immediate replacement? Well, he's got to be fired first, so I think you're assuming he's going to be fired. I think that's a little more difficult than the way it's being thrown about. When I see a lot of people say Mike McDaniel as the next OC, I think that's an off season project. I don't think you can just bring him in Week eight, fire the OC and be like, you run the offense now. He'd be like, well, what's the offense? What are the, what's the verbiage? Like, I. They can't just speak my language. If they're speaking Chinese and I speak Spanish, how are we supposed to communicate? So to me, it doesn't really work mid season. I guess you could bring him in as a quote unquote consultant, but you hired Vic Fangio. That clearly doesn't really respect Mike McDaniel. So that, that'd be a little weird. I just think you're kind of stuck with this kind of group. Like, you just got to make it work. If I had to guess, I bet it's kind of going to be a low scoring game. Mailbag question. I'm curious on the process of, of finding OCs and DCs in the league. How does Dan Campbell find a Ben Johnson? And how do these talented coordinators seem to come out of thin air? Well, Dan Campbell worked with Ben Johnson in Miami So when Dan Campbell worked for I think Joe Philbin, maybe it was Tony Soprano. I forget how Dan immediately or originally got there. Ben Johnson was either on the staff or, or came at one point when he was there. So a lot of these interactions with quote unquote, no name guys happen when people work together. It's right. Like how did Sean McVeigh hire Kevin O' Connell to be his offensive coordinator a couple of years ago? Because they had worked together when Jay Gruden had hired Kevin o' Connell years before in Washington. Right. So these guys meet each other that way. A lot of it is just because you're hired. Like how did I meet most of my friends in the NFL? Well, I was just worked for the Eagles and they worked there too. It's like Howie Roseman hired him and I just met guys that now work, you know, for, still work for the, the, you know, the Eagles, the Raiders, the Bucks, the Chiefs, you know, just, just out of happenstance. It's like it's no different than all these guys that work together. Because of Nick Saban. Well, because Nick Saban hired all these guys. So I think it's a lot of it's that. And then you know, Dan Campbell, when he elevated Ben Johnson, he probably thought highly of him as a young coach, as a smart coach. Former quarterback at the University of North Carolina. I don't know if Bill Belichick is allowed to post anything about the Bears, but yeah, I just think you meet him, you like them and then you hope because you never know because for every Ben Johnson there's a Kevin Patola. What do you think it would take for college football to start a conference based NFL Red Zone, ACC, Big Ten and SEC, etc. Each having their own show that runs their game throughout the day all in one place? I think it would pull in big money. I think they had talked about this and the problem is, are you saying separate would take on based show? So it's just one of the issues I think is like FOX and ESPN and Disney and cbs, they all own rights to different leagues. So like in the when the NFL network showed the Red zone. Well, the NFL owns everything, right? They just license it out and sell you the rights to broadcast the games. But if they want to do a red zone, they, they own their product, right? They own quote unquote the ip. But if you're Fox, you know who hosts the Red zone? Is it ESPN or is it Fox? If it's espn, well then why am I giving you the rights to do you know Michigan and Ohio State highlights and Oregon highlights. So it can get kind of, you know, convoluted and complicated that in that situation. And if you wanted to do an individual like Big Ten or ACC red zone, well like at any point in the day there might only be two or three games going on and what if no one's in the red zone? So it's like the afternoon, like let's face it, the red zone like that the art. The channel that we watch on Sundays is dramatically better from 10:00am to 1:00pm Pacific Standard Time or you know, depending on wherever you live that morning slate of games. It's not as especially what in the afternoon when there's three games, you don't really need it. I mean even if you only got one TV, if you got YouTube TV now you can just put the three games on. You can just watch two of the games. Like you don't really need the red zone channel in the afternoon. I think that would be a lot of college football is it would be like two and three game windows. I have somewhat of a different type question for the mailbag, if you're up to it. The recent situation with players inexcusably dropping the ball at the one yard line got me thinking. What is your biggest pet peeve while watching any NFL or college game? For me it's when obviously inferior team punts in the opposing team's territory resulting in a touchback. It's almost like instead of trying to pull off an upset, they play conservative and are actively trying to make the game as boringly possible to watch. Also side note, the recent Ryder Ryder cup port, a potty story you told was hilarious. I would say my two biggest pet peeves in college football, it is 100% kicking kids out of games for targeting in 2025. I've been saying this for years. No one's trying to hurt anybody. They have had it hammered home now through high school, through college, the day and age of people leading with their head and trying to break people's skulls. It used to happen. You used to be coached up on defense to fucking send the guy to the training tent. People are just trying to make tackles now in most of these kids that are playing on Saturday, even at good schools are not the next Ed Reed. They're not going to play in the NFL. And even if they play in the NFL, their careers are going to be very the amount of games if you're like a high school or college junior and your first year starting and you're going to be a two Year starter. And then your career in the NFL might be like two years practice squad, never even playing a game outside of preseason game. You only have so many games you get to play at that level, which is incredible if you're at like, you know, a Utah or Ole Miss or whatever, but you're not going to be an NFL player. And then for you to get kicked out of a game to then also miss the. The start of the next game is. It really grinds my gears. I mean, it infuriates me. I feel like a parent for these kids. Like, this is insanity. How are we still doing this in NFL? I. I'm all for protecting the quarterback with. With the rules. And as we see the more and more of these backup quarterbacks that come in, it's. It sucks. I mean, the Bengals, like, it's not the rules. You know, Joe Burrow hurts toe. He hurt his toe. But like, we miss out when these quarterbacks get hurt. Kyle Brandt was on my show, whatever a couple of weeks ago, said the same thing, and I totally agree. I do think we bail quarterbacks out a lot, though, in the NFL. You know, I think we should change the PI rule to 15 yards auto because you throw some of these bombs that have no chance of hitting and you get like 40, 50 yards. I do think we call defensive holding also shouldn't be an automatic first down. You know, if it's third and 12 and there's defensive holding, you know, six yards like you should get. Okay, now it's third and six. I hate defensive holding, getting automatic first downs. And I hate the pass interference gets you so many yards. So those would probably be my 2. I already know the answer to this one. Who do you think is better, Herbert or Trevor Lawrence? If you are gm, starting a franchise with whoever you want as the coach and all the other personnel being equal. Come on. This is. If I pulled every single human being in the NFL, including Liam Cohen, I forget their GM's name, and Tony Boselli and the Kahn family, there wouldn't be one person that this might include Trevor Lawrence's wife. Who would pick Trevor Lawrence? This. It is honestly no shade to Trevor Lawrence. You're comparing him to a guy who did I see Someone called him the best passer in the NFL. Who was it? I forget, but someone called Justin Herbert the best Pure passer in 2025 in the NFL. Listen, I think Justin Herbert's in a different universe than Trevor Lawrence. I give Trevor credit. Played hard the other night, ran around, made plays. Honestly, it was probably one of his better games still like relative to like Mahomes. I don't think it's a great game, but I just don't think he's that good Relative to the number one overall pick and a guy that got $200 million. Is he a starting quarterback? I'm not saying he should be like a backup, but I think he's one of the most overhyped players of all time. I still can't get over people talking about him like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread as a prospect. I didn't quite see that, but relative to his class, they were right hot Take the NFC has better Teams than the AFC the discussion always been that the AFC has better top end quarterbacks. Mahomes, Allen, Lamar Burrow and the NFC teams were more well rounded. While I see the value of having elite quarterbacks, we see teams like the Ravens and the Bengals immediately go trash without their quarterback while teams like the Niners, Vikings commanders are still competitive with their backups. The only realistic super bowl contenders I can see from the AFC are the Bills, Broncos and Colts. Maybe the Chiefs. While the NFC could have anyone in the playoff picture Eagles, Bucks, Lions, packers, seahawks, Rams commanders, 49ers Totally agree. I do think the last couple of years the Eagles really got hot and they were playing well and their team was stacked. But you know the years I think the AFC has been better at the top for like two or three years because the Bills, the Ravens and the Chiefs were playing so well. But as we sit here right now, I don't even think it's an argument. The NFC is every bit as good and is way deeper, right? I mean if the Steelers are one of your best, four or five teams like the NFC is better than you. People talk trash about the tushbush as if the Eagles are the only team that can run the play due to their quarterback being able to squat 500 pounds. I think it's 600 but know what you mean. Understanding their align strength is also a large factor. What prevents a team with a solid O line from putting a running back, fullback or tight end at the quarterback position? For example, why doesn't the team with a solid O line as the Lions put David Montgomery or LaPorta in the quarterback, run and run the tush push in at quarterback and run the tush push? Well, I think this answer is pretty simple. It's because anyone that's you know, played peewee football, let alone college or pro like the quarterback center exchange is something that is taken very seriously and a lot of Coaches do not trust many people with their hands in the center's ass beside a quarterback. Even when you think about it, a lot of like runs, direct runs to a running back are out of the shotgun because it's, it's just easier to catch the ball for those guys than it is to have the quarterback, center exchange. And I think it would be very difficult for a coach to sleep at night if they tried to run the tush push. You know, Travis Kelsey is a guy who has ran the tush push right for the Chiefs. Didn't he play quarterback? Wasn't that his position before he moved to tight end? He was a quarterback, so he's done that before. It's pretty rare. Like you put David Montgomery under there. I don't think Dan Campbell and Johnny Morton would feel great about like what could go wrong and how do you practice that? Well, it's like you take the center away from Jared Goff so it's it. While it seems easy, you're like he's just snapping it to their hands. I think when you talk about mid game, it's sweaty. It's not what these guys are used to. I think that plays a pretty big role. Question for the bag. As a Niner fan, I understand everyone wanting to trade for a big name D lineman. I agree we need one, but I think we should wait until the trade deadline when the prices go down. What do you think? Pull the trigger now, Hendrickson, Chubb, Thibodeau, or wait until the deadline? Yeah, I mean I, we'll have to see what the record is. I mean if you're like seven and one, you're seven and one, but. Or you know, eight and whatever, whatever. I think the deadline's week nine. So if you played eight games and you're six and two, but it's like you've won some crazy games with a bunch of backups, you have a million injuries, you're transitioning away from some of these high priced guys. You're going to need draft picks. So I'd have a hard time like trading my pick 50 for Trey Hendrickson. I really especially. He's going to be a free agent. I just. Are the 49ers a Super bowl team if they were fully healthy and all their guys were playing all the games for sure. But who knows when George Kittle can come back. Bose is out for the year. Purdy is going to be in and out of the lineup. They're depending on Mac Jones, who's also injured. I saw there the list of guys injured right now today, missing practice or like Juwan Jennings, Ricky Pierce, all I would not trade a high pick. Now would I take a guy for like a fourth or fifth rounder? For sure. Can I get Kayvon because he's making some money? Because remember they picked up his fifth year option. So next year Kayvon is making like $15 million. Would I take him for a year and a half with like a fourth or fifth round pick? Yeah, I'd entertain that. But a second day pick for one of these guys, that's not going to be on my team next year. I need that draft capital. I mean I'm just kind of re changing my roster now that the Dolphin season is legitimately over. When does the sell off begin? As a non KC fan asking for gambling purposes, their move would seem obvious. Trade for a Chan. If in theory you agree that's possible, what would it cost to complete? Well, you have to understand Coach Reed is much more likely to pass the ball than to run the ball. Like I would imagine. While everyone's negative on their two running backs, he like that's more than serviceable for him. If they're going to trade for a guy, they are much more likely to me after watching that team, they're not trade for a defensive back or trade for like another defensive lineman. I think they would trade for defense before they would trade for a running back. So I, I think the way the other two guys are playing and that kid from Smith, the kid from smu, the rookie who's their kick returner, I'd be a little shocked if they traded for running back. I would expect them, you know, defense, db, just someone on defense, playmakers on defense. If they are going to trade for somebody. Good question. Though I do think he would have value. But you know the Bills, they don't need them. Colts don't need them. Lions don't need them. Packers don't need them. Eagles don't need them. Niners, you know, I mean McCaffrey get hurt any moment but they're not going to. I just don't think harder trade for a running back than you realize in terms of like what his value is to their team and what teams would be willing to offer. Where did HN go to school? A and M. A and M is a program in the NFL that sneaky has way more players than you realize. And obviously the way their program's going right now, they're going to have way more. It ain't, it ain't slowing down. We are extremely excited to announce our new presenting sponsor home. Hard Rock Bet Everyone knows and loves their hotels and casinos, but now you can use the top rated Hard Rock Bet sportsbook to place all your NFL bets this season. Hard Rock Bet is the only legal sports book in the state of Florida and is also available in Arizona, Ohio, New Jersey, Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia, Illinois and Colorado with more states to come. You can also play on Hard Rock Bets Online Casino if you are in New Jersey as we gear up for the NFL season, sign up for Hard Rock Bet and make a $5 bet and you'll get 150 in bonus bets. If you win, head over to Hard Rock Bet, sign up and make your first deposit today. Payable in bonus bets. Not a cash offer Offered by the Seminole Tribe in Florida. Offered by Seminole Hard Rock Digital LLC in all other states. Must be 21 plus physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee or Virginia. Two play terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling in Florida? Call 1-88-ADMT-IT in Indiana. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants to help, call 1-809 with it gambling problem, call 1-800- gambler Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia if you're a smoker or dipper ready to make a change, you really only need one good reason. But with Zynn Nicotine Pouches, you'll discover many good reasons. Zynn is America's number one nicotine pouch brand. Plus Zynn offers a robust rewards program. There are lots of options when it comes to nicotine satisfaction, but there's only one Zyn. Check out zyn.com find to find Zyn at a store near you. Warning. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical where did the Raiders go from here? It's obviously time for yet another complete rebuild, but their head coach is over 70. I think he's 74 and they're paying their OC $6 million a year. I really don't understand it. We finally have adults in the room. Brady, Spy Tech, Pete Carroll, Kelly. Yet they use the 6 overall pick on a running back. Clearly they believe the offensive line toward the end of last year was strong enough to justify that selection, but they've completely reshuffled it, moving guys out of position. It's also worth noting that Carroll hired his own son to be both the O line coach and the run game coordinator. I think you have to understand when you draft a player, right a running back, any position, really high, it's not about the first month of their career. Honestly, it's not really about their rookie season. Think about some of the guys that were drafted high, like Bijan Robinson or McCaffrey or Saquon Barkley. When you do make that move, you're expecting him to be a multi contract guy for your team. So it might be bumpy early on. The NFL is hard, but they drafted Saquon because they thought when they picked six, he was the best player on the board. I think it was really that simple. And you know, if there had been a tackle there were taking, I think they would have taken him. If there had been a defensive lineman they were taking, I think they would have taken him. But they viewed relative to his class, he's the best player. I don't think they just went into it thinking like we're running back away. Even though I kind of disagree with the pick, I do understand if he's the best player in your board. If you go with that philosophy, you're going to be better off more often than not. I think it's more of an indication of like how shitty this team is. Like they've been bad for a real long time. And I totally understand like if you're Spy Tech, if you're Pete Carroll giving Max Crosby an extension, right? Paying him a bunch of money, you want him on your team, great leader, high level guy, tone setter, team captain. But I think we all have to agree he's kind of wasting away on this team. Like his value for all, like can you imagine his value to like the Bills or his value to the Colts or his value to the Lions. Think about his value to, you know, Packers, I guess, trade for Micah. But like those type teams, Seattle, the 49ers, it's really, really high. And again it gets complicated because in the NFL with signing bonuses, it's. I have to look at his contract, but having just paid him, I think they would be reluctant. But his value on the team, like could he get him like a 1 and 2 twos? Wouldn't that be better for them long, long term than just keeping him around? But this is when you have an older coach who brings a lot of value and is a Hall of Fame coach, like a legend who's still, unlike Bill, really into it, trying hard. I just don't think their team's that good. And they invested immediately in Colton Miller and Max Crosby and that's type move you make when you're trying to win right now. And I think they realize, well, we're not as close, the division's really hard and they're probably headed for like five wins. I think the Pete Carroll or the Chip Kelly thing was weird to me. Is Matt LaFleur holding Jordan Love back? Love, Love. Love obviously is all the skill in the world to be an elite player and it's obvious that he has benefited from lafleur's play calling. I also think that lafleur turned him into a good quarterback but seems to make Love hold back on his play calling because of his ability and arm talent would transform him into an actual elite quarterback. I think LaFleur is simply relying on his play calling ability and is telling Love to play within the system which hinders his true potential. What do you think? I think that LaFleur showed when he got Aaron Rodgers and by that second year he said, listen, we will if you listen to me and run the Shanahan offense and we will morph your shotgun. He's very obviously Aaron's comfortable in the shotgun, but play under center. Some of those run game, let us be a little run first. It'll help everything out. And they kind of. Rodgers capitulated and they kind of met in the middle and it really worked. I think at his core it's like he wants to run more of the Kyle offense, more of a run heavy play action. And a huge part of that offense is not like McVeigh, more of a rebel, I've said forever. McVeigh is like the in shape, younger version of Andy Reid. In a perfect game for McVeigh, he would throw it 50 times like Andy Reid would throw every play if he could and win that way. Right. So would Sean McVeigh, so would Kevin O'. Connell. Like they like to pass nothing against it. Like that's just their style where Kyle and his dad would like in a perfect game for them, their quarterback would have like 12 pass attempts and they would win like 24 to 7 and they would rush for like 7 yards to carry on 40 attempts. You know, that's what so every coach philosophically wants. You know, Mike Zimmer wants to blitz, Vic Fangio doesn't. So everyone's a little different. And I do believe that LaFleur believes in this scheme and his play calling. So I think they're in fairness, like what is Love done beside a couple games late in that first year starting for him to go like, you just do whatever you want with Rogers. Like you had to buy in when he says, like, listen, I'm going to run some plays out of shotgun. Not saying that those guys don't, but I'm just saying like that's the offense that he would run every single play, shotgun, four wide. So I think it can be. It's just difficult. I look at lafleur as a plus, but I'm with you. Like, Jordan does have the physical attributes to scramble around big arm, make some plays. But I think he'd also say, do I trust your decision making when you do that? I think there'd be some. He'd have a valid point. I'm a former Cleveland Brown fan. When the Watson deal went down and we shipped away Baker, I just couldn't do it anymore. Since then, I have begun to follow the Bucks very closely and truly feel a sense of connection to their team. And I love watching Baker Mayfield thrive. My question is this. What precedent is there for picking up and changing allegiance in sports? It's not something I ever would have considered with my other teams, but this situation felt different. I don't blame you at all. I've said before that a couple years ago we were getting questions from Patriot fans and I said, no, you're not allowed to jump ship. You've had 20 years, nine Super bowl appearances, won six of them, went to like 15 AFC championship games. Got to watch Tom Brady for two decades. So yeah, it's shitty. And Belichick lost his fastball and Matt Patricia's calling your offensive plays. You got to deal with it for a couple of years. And look, now it's like you got variable. And Drake may like, oh, it's fun again, but if you're a Cleveland Browns fan, I'd say if you're a Raider fan, there are certain teams that, like, I just can't take it anymore. And I would say different than the Raiders for you guys is the Baker thing, which looking back, it's like, why did we have to do this? And I don't blame anyone. Like, I'm not rooting for Deshaun Watson and I'm not a moral high horse guy. Like, I don't care. Like, I don't root or don't root for people in sports. I mean, I do in, in politics or whatever because I disagree with them and then I just naturally hate them. But when it comes to sports, like, listen, I'm sure I've rooted for some guys that, you know, aren't exactly high on the character list, right? But the Watson thing, and then how bad he was and how rough it is to watch the team. Like, I'm just like, I'm out. And I've been saying this for a while, like Stefanski, Andrew Barry, I get their highly Educated. And their degrees are way more impressive than mine and probably many of yours. But it's like, do they have any fucking clue what they're doing? I mean, really, like, it's just. It's just. I feel like the Browns are a mess now. Maybe it's the owner, and it's not on those two guys who. Everyone I know that knows those guys really likes them. You know, I know a bunch of people that work with Andrew Berry in Philly. They. They rave about the guy. I met him once a long time ago when I was working in the league. I didn't. You know, Andrew Barry at the time wasn't Andrew Barry. He was just like a road pro scout. We sat next to each other at a game he was advancing. We were playing each of the teams playing the following week. Seemed like an impressive guy from Harvard. Obviously has gone on to, you know, run a team, but if the owner's not forcing him to do some of this stuff, you know, the Shador mess, Stefanski, it's just like. It's just a. It's just a zoo. It really is. Then I saw today that Deshaun Watson is going to be cleared sometime in the next month or two. Like, he is going to be cleared with games remaining on the schedule. I'll tell you this, if they ever were to put him out there, and granted, I don't think those guys would, but they did. Like, I wouldn't blame any fan for just quitting. Like, I can't do this anymore now. I don't think they will. I'm not sure what's going to happen, but it's just. It's not fun. I mean, part of this is like, listen, part of watching sports, if you have a team, you have your good times and you got your bad times, and the overall, when. When it's all said and done, obviously if you're a Laker fan or a Patriot fan and you're of a certain age, like, you've had. You've had a lot of good times, but. But you're also just going to have some really bad times. And it all kind of comes in perspective. And sometimes going through the ugly makes when you finally just turn the corner, even if you just make a wild card, like, that was sweet, right when you're the Browns, it's like, it can't always be this bad. And then we had a guy, and I get the GMs kind of polarizing, who was like, I think this guy is like the next Brett Favre. That was John Dorsey's thing. John Dorsey was around the packers in the 90s. That's how he knew Andy Reid. That's why Andy hired him to be the GM of the Chiefs and was like, I see Favre in this kid. And you look in 2025, like, I'm not saying like Brett Favre's better player in Baker Mayfield, but was he kind of right? Like, I mean Baker Mayfield has something kind of, I don't know, that it factor kind of a special player. And now it's like, we had this guy. We had this guy. It's why I defended like Minnesota. It's like someone DM me yesterday. It's like, well, you know, they let Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones go. I'm like, well, they picked up Daniel Jones off waivers. That's not the same. They had same Darnold and he threw 35 touchdowns for him and they chose not to resign him. Like that is a legitimate conversation. I don't hold Daniel Jones again, just like I don't hold Baker Mayfield with the Rams. Obviously they got Stafford, but you know, I think these situations just kind of get weird and they get weird fast. And if you're a Browns fan, it's just really. It's a rough, embarrassing stretch. It really is. And like all this time you have one of the great pass rushers of all time. Your defense now for several years has been really good. It's like, what's going on? And our coach is an offensive coach. My question with the Browns and I don't follow him, you know, beside like Mary Kate on Twitter, like I'm not on the Browns message boards and stuff and listen to local radio. Did Stefanski turn on Baker? Was Baker, you know, tough to handle first of hand ski? Like I need the real story there. Like what happened with that? It wasn't just like Odell's dad posting the YouTube, like, see my son's open. It had to be more complicated than that. Like what I want is like a wicker sham or Mary Kay one of those people that covers the team or is just locked into the league. I want to know what happened with that relationship. Like why did they. Was the owner, I don't know. Vikings fan here? The Darnold conversation is a valid one. I love winning games and the argument that we would be better off with Darnold going forward is true to an extent. But John, did everyone forget how he looked in the last two most important high profile games played last season? Full pumpkin mode. Versus the Lions for the 1 seed and versus the Rams in the playoff game, even though O' Connell didn't run the ball. Nobody is talking about this choke job he pulled off at the end of the season. We need to know if our high first round pick can be the guy. Listen, I've said this before. I don't blame them for doing what they did, but we're allowed to have the conversation because you had to find out if JJ was going to be the guy. But part of the conversation isn't like, well, Sam Darrell can't win the big game. Can JJ even get you there? Can JJ even play? Can JJ even function as a starting quarterback? So it was like, Sam's question is, hey, week 18, 214 win teams for the number one seed granted on the road. Can you win it? And the answer is no. And he played really shitty. Would you have been there with J.J. mcCarthy? Well, last year he couldn't because fucked up his knee and this year he's hurt again. So it's like. I understand part of the conversation though. I would say if JJ had just been the backup and been healthy all season long and just been Sam's backup and been there be like, okay, it's. We've seen this with other guys. Not that crazy. The Chiefs literally did the same thing. They did not know, but this guy had been hurt all season long and needed a second knee surgery and now he's hurt again. So I. There's just a lot of variables. I'm with you. It's not black and white and it's not as simple as some of these. The way people talk about it and the conversation typically goes, it's not that simple. But it's also. Did we overcomplicate this a little bit? Fairly strong NFL fan know a decent amount about football, but I don't pretend to have a coach, coordinator, X's and O's knowledge. With that being said, why the hell on punt returns does the player not catch the ball yet decide to stand literally one foot from it as it's bouncing and rolling around while they're coverage, while they're five coverage players standing right next to them. If you're not going to catch it, run away from the ball. If it takes a funny bounce or rolls a certain way and hits your foot and it's a fumble that you are not going to get. To me, that's common sense. Why think a lot of the fake fair catch is. Well, I guess in your example, like if I'm fake fair catching it and then I run away and so they get around me and the ball is like four yards behind me and bounce into the end zone, but I'm with you. I think sometimes I'll defend these guys on the simple fact that standing there as a punt returner while several guys that run four fours are beelining it at you. I do think sometimes you brain fart and I'm with you. Like if it touches you, you're going to be at a huge disadvantage. They are running at the ball and you're usually at a standstill. Right? So I think some of these guys, they also don't know the decision till last second. They're kind of seeing, should I fair catch it, Should I not? Should I let it bounce to the end zone? Think how often. I mean, we see this every week. Guys are catching the ball at like the five yard line, like, what are you doing? How do you not just have like an immediate within the 10, let it bounce. Anything outside of the 10 or 12. And I think a lot of these coaches will say we do. These guys just, they don't listen or they forget and there's a lot going on. Think of the guys typically being the punt return or two. It's a backup, it's not a guy playing. So that's like his only play and he's really amped up and then maybe he just short circuits, I don't know. But that play, I just. I'm with you. It just happens a lot. I think it happens enough to know that clearly it's really difficult. I've never caught a punt in the NFL or in college. Hell, I remember when I was at Fresno State. Even a little in the NFL, when you just be out there screwing around the special teams guys. Catching a punt's really, really hard. It is. These guys make it look way easier than it is. So I think you're so focused on the ball that sometimes you forget the strategy that you've been coached to do. Whereas like a running back, it's like, hey, these are the points that we're emphasizing on this run. Well, once the ball is in my hand, I'm just kind of going forward and just kind of muscle memory. With punts, I just think it's a little more complicated than that. If you smoke or dip, I'm going to give you a few good reasons to try Zyn. Zyn nicotine pouches. First, it's America's number one nicotine pouch brand, and Zyn offers a robust rewards program. There's a lot of options for nicotine satisfaction, but there's only one Zyn. So if you go to zyn.com find that's z y n.com find to find Zyn at a store near you. This product does contain nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. For the Bucs this year, the final few minutes of games have been pretty wild. And I'm sure Bucs fans, and I'm sure for Bucs fans, it's great to know they have a team that can perform in such great stress. However, if they continue winning the games like they have, does there eventually come a point where we need to start asking questions like why is it that they need to keep putting together last second drives to win a game when even against not great teams or why haven't they been able to really handle any of these teams they've played? Listen, you have years. The Chiefs made the super bowl last year where they were in all these type games. And sometimes remember the Kirk Cousins was Kevin O' Connell's first year. When they won 12 or 13 games, they were like 10 and one in these tight games. Every game kind of looked like that. And they lost in the first round against the Giants. So, you know, I think a pretty big. There are a lot of indicators, you know, to determine how good you are. Right. Like scoring, defense, yards per play. I do think one that's pretty basic is like your point differential. And if we look at point differentials like The Eagles is 16, the Colts is 74. Right. The Chargers is zero, the Broncos is 33, the Lions is 62. If I go to the Bucks, theirs is three. You know, the Niners is eight. Niners are pulling games out of their ass. So it's like, are the Niners really good? Yeah, they're just winning some close games now. It's also football. Like a close game can turn into a loss with a bad bounce with a guy stepping out of bounds. So yeah, when you blow people out, like, you know, the Chiefs in their heyday or the Ravens a couple years ago, it's looks better, but it doesn't guarantee you anything in the playoffs either way. Do you think that Kyler and the Cardinals would benefit from a divorce? Seems like the relationship has run its course. I actually. Did I delete it? I had a screenshot of a Kyler stat from the other day that was like, I think his divisional record in the NFC west is the lowest of any guy in the history of a quarterback that got a second contract. His winning percentage is like under 30%. And I think the thing that makes Kyler so maddening, it's kind of Like a version of TUA that you just keep asking yourself, well, how do we upgrade? How do we upgrade? And I think it gets back to like, you know, you were making the playoffs a couple years with tua and it was clear when he was out the drop off that would happen. I just think his style, whether we like it or not, like it's very basic. Right under center in the pocket, get him quick throws, you know, be like a way lesser version of Jared Goff. Kyler style is hard to play with, right. It's kind of a run around backyard football thing. And when it's on, it looks awesome, but when it's off, it can look really, really shitty. And my overall take is like, I'm kind of out on guys that are really short. You know, anyone that doesn't sniff six feet, like, I think it's really, really hard to play in the NFL. And Kyler will go down as one of like the great athletes of all time. I mean he's drafted, what, ninth by the A's and Billy Bean, number one pick in the NFL, like that's just, that's unheard of stuff. Now would he been a big league baseball player? I don't know. But he's definitely just an all time great athlete. But is he a good quarterback? Like relative to the NFL, is he a good quarterback? I think if we just talk to 10 defensive coordinators, like every dude in the NFC west and then a bunch of guys that have played him in the last couple of years, I think answers would be all over the map. And I will actually wonder if defensive coordinators would have more respect for him than offensive coordinators. Because defensive coordinator, like I don't know what's going to happen play to play. So maybe that's. Maybe if I talk to offensive coordinators what they and I would imagine it'd be pretty negative. Defensive coordinators actually might like him more because he's a pain. But when you say divorce, like what does that mean? Who do they replace him with? This is the two of things, like who's coming out of college that you feel good about and then what do you do with him? What's his trade value? Who would trade a second round pick for him? Would that be his value? Third round pick? I don't think you're getting as much as you think. Okay. It's like we could trade him for two third round picks. Like, okay, what do we do? Who plays quarterback for us? Question for the pot. Why is it Mark Davis gets so much hate? I understand they haven't had a lot of success since he took over, but generally I think he does stuff right. From what I can tell, he's not a meddling owner. He hires guys and lets them do the job. He wants stability. He gave Gruden 10 years and the NFL didn't go after him. Who knows where they'd be. His biggest mistake was hiring McDaniels, who let cargo and now we're in quarterback hell. I'd argue not even interviewing Jim Harbaugh. And just hiring Pierce was bad too, but I don't think he would have taken it anyway. What's your take? I just think anytime that you shepherd a team that just consistently sucks and you're the owner, like you're the only consistent thing. Pete Carroll, John Gruden, Jack Del Rio, Derek Carr, Geno Smith, Khalil Mack, you know, it's just different. Max Crosby. It's just since Mark Davis is on the team, they have been really, really bad and very dysfunctional. I do agree he tries and I also agree he aggressively tries financially. Gave Gruden at the time was unprecedented $100 million 10 year contract like that was. He had to do what he had to do to get him to sign up. You know, Jon Gruden's like, I really wanted to be the Raiders coach. Did you really want to be the Raider coach or did he give you $100 million? Because if you really wanted, you would have gladly done it. Five years, 50 million. Right. But you kind of use the bucks. You played him, which was business, one on one leverage. But like, you really want to do it because he gave me $100 million. But, you know, then he actively went after Tom Brady and tried to get him involved. So I'm in agreement that, you know, Mark has not been cheap like some of these other owners, even though up until Vegas lacked the funds that a lot of guys had. But I do think he is just the only thing that's consistently around since, you know, 2011, 12, and the outcomes tend to be the same. So it's. Is it like, is he directly at fault? Of course not. Right. Josh McDaniels chose to trade for Devonte Adams and bench Derek Carr. And you know, did he hire Antonio Pierce? I'll defend him on that. It's like Max Crosby and Devonte Adams basically said like, you got to do it or we want out. Like, I probably would have done it too. I don't think that one was as crazy. Obviously Gruden, he didn't control any of that. The league didn't Gruden's going to sue them for a lot of money and looks like he's going to win. And to me, going after Brady, like I give you credit on that one, like he had to give up part of, you know, his percentage to let Brady buy in to try to make the Raiders better. But I don't know, I mean, when you just lose all the time, who are you supposed to blame? Like Pete Carroll's a winner, Pete Carroll's a winner and it's like looks like he's going to win like four games this year. I was listed in the Herd on Tuesday and it was completely flabbergasted by Collins take on the Chiefs Jags game Disclaimer I'm not a fan of either team, but in my opinion he basically gave the Chiefs credit for losing and discredited the Jags on what I thought was a tough statement victory. He gave Mahomes the excuse that he just didn't see Devin Lloyd on the pick six and saying that the level of good play from the Jags just isn't sustainable and that the Chiefs are coming. I've been listening to Colin for a long time now and I have to say this was one of the more wild ones I've heard from. I didn't hear that one. I'll say this, I don't think the Jags are going to sustain this if Trevor Lawrence is going to be this hit or miss if he plays like he played. I think they lose most of those games. So in part of the I don't want to say luck but I mean that play at the end of the game was kind of freaky lucky. I'm bullish on the Chiefs as well though. Like they're a 910 win team this year. Probably listen every once in a while you get a 10 and 7 year. But I don't think the Jags are smoking mirrors in the sense that their defense is really good. And I agree. Patrick Mahomes got greedy on the pass like it was a bad pass. You can't throw a red zone. You can't throw a pick where the guy's standing in the end zone. That's embarrassing for any player, let alone an all time great player. He'd be the first to tell you that it cannot happen. You cannot turn the ball over right there. You can't throw a pick six. I mean a pick six are his devastating, especially a red zone pick six which is a 10 plus point swing. I do believe the Chiefs look pretty good though defensively. Some question Marks, but offensively, they're going to play like this. They're going to win a lot of games. The Jags are clearly better. There's no disputing that. But I just. I just don't trust Trevor Lawrence, so I don't know all what he said, but I would agree the Jags is sustainable. I mean, when their quarterback, he misses a lot of plays, man, he really does. Part of this business, though, you got to throw some curveballs. You can't just come on and be like, jags are winning the Super Bowl. This seems like another year where the Bills team is simply not good enough. Allen is undeniable, and unlike Lamar, he actually plays really well in the postseason. But year after year, I feel like he has the inferior roster and it cost them every time against the Chiefs. Do you think the Bills roster has been an issue, or am I wrong? They've been injured, too. I mean, last year the roster they were rolling in the playoffs was pretty banged up. You know, I think offensively they're probably. They're stronger as, like, the sum of their parts than they are as an individual basis. You know, like, no one would compare Khalil Shakir to, you know, Jamar Chase or Devonte Adams or Puka Nakua or some of these guys. But he's really good for them, and Cook's really good. Dawkins is a stud. Tight ends are good, and then they kind of mismatch it with the rest of the wide receivers, but to me, it always comes down like, is their defense good enough? And pass rush. They got some players up front. When Ed Oliver comes back, their defensive line is good, but their back seven can just be hit or miss in some of these games. So a lot of his health. I think they should be heavily involved in, like, a defensive playmaker. If they can add, whether it's another defensive lineman, whether it's a linebacker or db, they should be all over defense. What does a team like Wisconsin do? They hired Fickle. That seemed like a home run, and he got the Cincinnati team to the Final Four, and now he can't even win four games. Is it just not enough money or is it coaching? I'd be lying if I watched a lot of Wisconsin at this point. I mean, they really stink. We were talking about this. We have a little show meeting on Wednesday mornings just to kind of go over some logistics of different stuff for the podcast. And we're talking about Michigan State because they play UCLA this week, and, like, there are only so many players to go around. So as Your conference booms, right? Ohio State's always going to be good, but then we ebb and flow with some of the other programs. There have been years, like when Cousins was there, that Michigan State had an incredible run for like four or five years, was went to the Rose Bowl. I think one year they were really, really good. You know, Iowa's had years, they've been to the Rose Bowl. Well, now you add Oregon, you add Washington and usc, that you're all kind of recruiting the same players. And the world is so flat now. Well, the Top guys, the SEC, the ACC, the Big 12, that not all these teams can be good. So like when Nebraska was unreal in the 90s, like Oregon wasn't that great. You know, USC wasn't that good. Utah was irrelevant for them. Right. They were like a Mountain west school, a WAC school. So I just think things ebb and flow. I can't speak to financially where they're at, but clearly they want to be good at football. It's a lot like Nebraska. I just Wonder if in 2025 it's not possible to be like what you once were. So can they be better? For sure. I thought Luke Fickle was pretty good as well at Cincinnati. Sometimes though, you have built in advantages pre nil at schools like Cincinnati. I would say that maybe I'm just reacting to the Twitter picture, but like, why not hire Mike McCarthy? He was at the game earlier this year with the ad. Like, can you do better than that? See if he can infuse some life. He's clearly a really good offensive coach. I think. If you were a quarterback, why would you not want to go play for Mike McCarthy? Unlike Belichick. You know, I see him on McAfee. He seems like a happy guy, seems like a positive guy. Seems like he's got a lot of good perspective. He's made a ton of money. So it's not like you got to pay him $10 million a year. You pay him like five or six, probably seven. Who knows? Feels like he knows a bunch of people could hire some coaches. To me that makes a lot of sense. Like, who else are you going to hire? Because like you said, Fickle made a bunch of sense. Midwest guy played at Ohio State, didn't resurrect Cincinnati, was good before he got there, but kicked ass in Cincinnati a lot of times. That's the path, right? Like how did you find, how did Washington find Chris Peterson dominated Boise State, How Florida find Urban Meyer dominated at Utah? You know, it's usually, I mean, that's how you hit home runs. Where did LSU find Nick Saban? Well, he's at Michigan State. Sometimes it doesn't work. Look, if you smoke or dip, I'm going to give you a few good reasons to try Zen nicotine pouches. First, Zen is America's number one nicotine pouch brand. And Zen offers an unbelievable rewards program. There's a lot of options for nicotine satisfaction, but there's only one Zen. Visit zen.com find to find Zen at a store near you. Again that zen.com find zen spelled z Y N. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. How would you feel about college football adding a transfer fee to compensate the smaller schools, any school, to help them recover faster with new talent? Well, if I'm the big schools and I run the sport, why would I ever sign up to pay smaller schools to get their talent? Why do I care about them? And the answer is I don't. And that sounds terrible. And listen, I'm a Fresno State guy, but if I'm Oregon, why do I care if Fresno State's mad that I took their player? Why do I care if they're, if they are losing out on revenue because their team sucks, that's their problem. So I think the problem is the revenue generating teams that run the Sport. The Power 4 teams and really the, it's like 20 teams in college football, right? You just go west to east, you know, Oregon, usc, Ohio State, Texas, now Texas A and M Bama, Georgia, lsu, Michigan, Florida State, Miami in theory Clemson. You know, it's a group of like 12, 13 schools. They don't give a shit about the smaller schools. So if I'm Texas and I can get action gente from Boise State, why do I need to compensate them? We're not in the same. Like this is the problem with college football. We're not like all under one umbrella. So if I'm in the Big ten or the sec, why do I care about the Mountain West? If I'm Oregon and I take Washington State's best player, like that's Washington State and the PAC 12 Mountain West Prom, not mine. So I think that's what makes that situation difficult. Wondering your thoughts on Sanchez and potential impacts of C T E. I got a hard time with that one. I don't know enough about like, you know, how many times he was hit, how many concussions the guy had. I looked once I saw this question, you know, he was sacked a fair amount of times in his career. The thing that just doesn't add up With Sanchez, it's like why I'm interested to see the toxicology report is like, even if you get blacked out drunk, and I'm not proud to say it had a few of mine times, way too many actually. If you're not a violent, crazy person, like you're not going to find yourself in that situation. What I can't get over is if you're downtown having some sea tails, hanging out with the Fox crew and you get a cab or an Uber ride back to the hotel, the Westin Hotel or the Marriott, wherever you're staying. I've stayed in a mall. You get dropped out in front of the lobby. So usually the loading dock is on the side. So for him to make it over to the loading dock from the lobby, unless he was leaving a hotel, it just, it's why I think he's got to be on drugs or it's going to come out like he's had crazy situations before that we just haven't heard about. I have a hard time believing this is just a one off situation. It was just because alcohol cte, like then why wouldn't. I'm sure he's had other instances where he was out drinking and why wouldn't he have had instances before? It's hard for me to get a guy that's never had an issue his entire life, at least that we know about, like he's never been arrested or whatever, and all of a sudden he gets into a knife fight with a guy and just attacks a 70 year old. It's one of the more bizarre stories of all time. And it's almost for his sake. It'd be better if it's like, yeah, CTE lost his mind, didn't feel that way. It's why I think the best case scenario for him is like, you know, someone drugged him and he wasn't even in the right state. If it was like he was just drunk and he attacked this old guy. Like I feel little sympathy for anything that happens to like if this old guy and his lawyers come after every single penny that Mark's ever made and makes Mark's children beg for that guy to give him money, you know, it's just like that. It's just, it's one of the crazier stories that I ever remember. Non, like only on the field type story that involves the NFL because he's obviously in Indianapolis to call this game. But it almost feels too crazy, like there's something missing. But so far there hasn't been. It's just that he Just attacked this guy because he thought he shouldn't park there. And he asked the hotel managers, like, what the fuck are you talking about? Was this guy, did he. Did he get roofied? I thought, I've never been roofie, but I thought, doesn't that make you go to sleep? Did he do some bad drugs? Not a drug guy. So. But even if you're doing like cocaine, are you just attacking a random driver in the dock? I don't know. It's just. It's a bizarre, crazy story and I hate just. Oh, it could be ct. I don't know. I have a hard time with that one. So all of a sudden his brain stopped working and he's attacked this guy. But he's. But he's never done this before in his entire life. No signs. Who knows? Maybe there have been signs. So maybe, who knows? Maybe I'm wrong. I don't even think I'm right or wrong. I don't even have an opinion. I have no clue. I think the whole situation is just beyond sad. I mean, that visual of the dude which looks like he got. Were they battling with the knife was like a box cutter cut. His mouth went in, you know, the knife went through his cheek. He gonna sue for a lot of cash. I mean, Fox is gonna have to pay a lot of money for this too, that they're. They're involved because Mark's. Aaron has died. Last question. I'm sure you get hundred of these dms. Impossible to remember them all. But I hope you played. Mattir Heisman, 35 to 1 and Baker MVP 40 to 1 back in the summer. I remember shooting you a mailbag question and your thoughts to me, Mattier, I have a hard time seeing him win the Heisman if he misses like a month. I could be wrong. I don't remember many Heisman Trophy winners missing a lot of time. So I know there were some rumors that he was going to try to play this week, but if he can't play this week, let's say he's out another game after this, which is very possibly a surgery on his hand. Now if he comes back this week and technically only misses one game, lights them up and they keep winning 100% Baker to me, I only saw it 25 to one preseason, so maybe was 40 to one way back in the spring. I never do a future bet that early, so I even. I wouldn't have touched it. But I would say that if you did pick those, I'd feel better about Baker than John Matier. But who are your other Heisman Trophy. Who's even in the mix right now? Moore Slayin Ty Simpson. Not a not a like it's not exactly Cam Newton and Johnny Manziel right now. Appreciate all the DMs. Keep sliding in ohnmiddelkopf firing those DMs and I will talk soon. Peace the volume ever go to make nachos on game day and realize the cheese is missing? Or the chips? Or both? It happens all the time. But check it Walmart Express Delivery gets what's needed in as fast as one hour. One hour, people. And it's not just food. It's phone chargers, pet supplies, toilet paper. Try it now and get free delivery on a first order with promo code Express Walmart Express delivery in as fast as 1 hour. Promotion valid for first express delivery order $50. Men subject to availability restrictions apply if you smoke or dip. I'm going to give you a few good reasons to try Zin Zyn Nicotine Pouches first, it's America's number one nicotine pouch brand, and Zyn offers a robust rewards program. There's a lot of options for nicotine satisfaction, but there's only one Zen. So if you go to zyn.com find that's z y n.com find to find Zen, a store near you, this product does contain nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Toyota is all in all season. And with Toyota Game Day Giveaways, the official automotive partner of the NFL is giving football fans the chance to win big by making free predictions on which big plays will happen during the second half of every Sunday night football game. Prizes include Brock Purdy's favorite Toyota Sequoia, NFL shop gear, and more. Visit toyota.com NFL to learn more. Toyota let's Go places no purchase necessary void where prohibited ends 2826 open to legal residents of the 50 US states and DC 18 and over. For complete details, how to enter prizes and official rules, visit toyotasgamedaygiveaways.com this is an iHeart podcast.