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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Gilbert King
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one.
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Jeremy Scott
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Gilbert King
I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
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Jeremy Scott
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Gilbert King
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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John Middlekauff
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing? This is John and three and out podcast. I push back the Masters preview till Wednesday. Still working on my betting card. It's a little overwhelming, lot going on. It got rained out today, the practice round on Monday. So wait for some guys to talk on Tuesday. See if any news comes out, injuries or withdrawals or anything. Then we will have a big, big Masters kind of preview from a betting perspective. That will come out Monday. But today will be about football and we had some teams starting they're voluntary phase one. A lot of new coaches. Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn. It's not Vrabel's first rodeo, but it's his first day as the Patriot head coach with his whole team back and wanted to dive into the reality show that is the draft. We're going to do something on the draft every single day moving forward. So buckle up. And some other stuff going on around the NFL. Couple rants here and there on just random stuff in in the world. Vlad Guerrero got $500 million not the dad, the son and the White Lotus watched the season finale last night and we also do a mailbag at John Middlekopf is the Instagram fire in those DMs? @ John Middlekopf is the Instagram fire in those DMs? We will answer a bunch today and keep firing in those and I'm going to need you because we're in the off season now. It's the next week or Two are pretty slow. And then obviously draft week we amp back up. But not, you know, the free agency has come to a screeching halt. Obviously the pro days now are basically over. So the NFL, I don't want to say goes into hibernation because the franchises are working the draft meetings and the players are back in town. But in terms of the stories coming out like they have been over the last month, it definitely, it definitely slows down. So we will just find ways to talk about football because that's what we do here. So make sure you subscribe to the podcast. If you listen on Collins3 now, podcast, Spotify, Apple, you name it, we got you covered. YouTube channel as well. Go subscribe to that. But before we dive in to some football, you know I got to tell you about my friends, my partners and the official ticketing app of this podcast. When it comes to ticketing apps, I've used them all. I've used every single one. And I can say all honestly never used a better one than Game Time. And I've gone to more events. I'm going if you're watching this on Tuesday, I'm going to the warriors game tonight. Warriors have been hot, but they're in a battle right now just to try to make the playoffs and avoid the playing games. Curry's been hot until he wasn't against the Rockets. The Suns are terrible, so excited. Hopefully Curry goes for like 40. But if you want it, the NBA playoffs are right around the corner. The NHL playoffs OV just broke the record. The Capitals, can they win the Stanley Cup? Do you want to go to one of these NHL playoff games? Baseball in full swing. You got concert are about to start all over the country. How often do you see something like on Instagram or the Internet, you're like, God, so and so is playing right down the road. I didn't even know. No excuse. Keep an eye on that. Use Game Time for updates to find the venue, to find the artist. It doesn't get any easier to use. So take the guesswork out of buying tickets with Game time. Download the GameTime app, create an account and use the code John. J O H N that's my name. For $20 off your first purchase terms apply again. Create an account, redeem the code John for $20 off down the Gametime app today. Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. One thing that probably fascinates me in sports, but specifically football more than most, is the plight of coaches. And I love going to a wiki page and seeing where they start and how they Got to either become a coordinator and obviously how to become a head coach. And a lot of these guys, it's a very nomadic profession. I mean, there are some individuals, you see, you're like, wait, this guy's 43 and he's already worked for seven teams. It's like, geez Louise. I mean, one time you get fired, another time you move up a couple times, then you get a promotion somewhere else. You just bounce around a lot. Maybe you started in college and then you got your chance in the NFL, but you had to take a step back and listen, like, when you hire Mike Vrabel or Pete Carroll, you kind of know what you're getting. When Starbucks hired the CEO from Chipotle, they were pretty confident he knows what he's doing. Given that he had not just revamped and taken care of Chipotle and taking it to another level, he had done the same with Taco Bell. This wasn't some like, oh, we're getting this CEO from Company X now. It's like, this guy's got a track record, but anytime a guy goes from becoming a coordinator to a head coach, it's a completely different job. Like, they don't have that many parallels, right? You as a coordinator, all you care about are schematics and the guys that are available to play that given week in the game plan. As a head coach, you deal with things that you could never envisioned. As an assistant coach, you are dealing with training staff, with equipment staff, with the ownership, with the front office, with people's emotions, good and bad, with injuries, when people get in trouble. Everything that happens when it comes to your team comes to your desk. That is not true as a coordinator. And honestly, even when it's on your side of the ball as a coordinator, you have no decision making power when it comes to, like, do we cut them, do we trade them, do we suspend them, do we bench him? Like, that's not your call. And Mike Vrabel and Pete Carroll has been making these calls now for three decades. Mike Vrabel, it felt like, was born to be a head coach. I'm fascinated by these guys, especially a guy like Ben Johnson, who was like, best offensive coordinator since, like, the McVeigh crew, right? Since the Shanahan's, McVeighs, LaFleur's Kevin O'Connell, like, he's the next. I know he's not from that tree, but the way we talk about him, he might as well be. This guy is a genius. It doesn't get any better than this. Well, now he's the head coach. And today in these early voluntary workouts don't really have anything to do with football in terms of on the field running plays. But it's. I think the first phase is a lot of working out and getting in shape for the second phase, which then gets a little more in depth with the coaching. But like today was the first time in his career he's got in front of the entire team as the head coach. Now, him and Aaron Glenn have obviously talked to the team over the years when it came to the Lions as coordinators. I'm not even just talking about their unit. They have got in front of the team countless times, training camp during the season. It's just a natural thing that coaching staffs do. Sometimes they rotate depending on the coach. Some guys talk more than others, but there was no confusion who in that building was the boss. It was Dan Campbell. So when Aiden Hutchinson shattered his leg, like that's Dan Campbell and the GM's job to figure out what we're going to do, not Aaron Glenn's now that he's in charge, like those decisions fall on him. And it's easy to root for these two guys. It's incredible what these two guys have done. And we know they both know football schematically. Why? Because they came from a CEO head coach and they got to control it all on offense and defense. But they are both going to a place where you look at the history is not a place conducive to success when it comes to being a head coach. The jets fire a lot of coaches, so do the Bears. And I think when you look at these two guys, they're easy to root for. They seem just like high level guys. Dan Campbell swears by them both, but it is going to be very challenging. Now, in theory, the Bears job should be easier than the jets job because at least they have something to work with at quarterback that people are very hopeful on. We'll see on Justin Fields. But the one thing I'd say about the Bears, that division is no joke. That is not an easy division to lead. But I think anytime that you take this step, we have no clue how it's going to work out. It's a little like the draft. How many times have we seen, like, God, it's one of the best college players we've ever seen. This guy dominated in the SEC, in the Big Ten, in the PAC 12. And then they get to the NFL and they're kind of an afterthought because it's just a projection we don't know how it's going to work. It's an enormous step. Same thing with being a head coach. The pressure, the stress. Now, defense or offense, not your side of the ball, is also on your plate. Getting to know those players, the way that you conduct yourself and act, good or bad, positively or negatively impacts everyone because everyone's looking at you for direction. And I would say the one thing about the two Lions guys is they came to a guy pretty comfortable, clearly in his own skin. When it came to leadership. You would say Dan Campbell has vaulted himself near the top of the list in the NFL of handling all that type stuff. These guys handled the schematics football wise, but in terms of leading the group, leading the troops, handling messaging, he was elite at that. And now this falls on them. And like, he dealt with the gm, because that's what head coaches do. They work hand in hand with the gm, not the coordinators. Not saying the coordinators don't have interactions and don't talk to them. They don't run ideas by them. But the buck doesn't stop with them. And now it does. And you know, Mike Vrabel, when he gets like he's comfortable in that role, why, he's done it for a long time. Same like we said with Pete Carroll. But for these guys, it's going to be fascinating to see. And same whenever the Cowboys start with Brian Schottenheimer. It is. It's a massive, massive step. And you really have no time to, like, there is no time for a learning curve because the season's five, six months away and then you're playing games and all of a sudden you're playing Dan quinn or Sean McVay or Jim or John Harbaugh or Mike Tomlins. Like, these guys just know what they're doing. So good luck to all these teams. It's exciting. And this is why, you know, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn now got huge raises because you're in charge. I was thinking about this. When it comes to the draft, you know, ultimately what the draft is, it's a gigantic reality show, right? It intermixes college football, the pros, and then all these guys getting sent to different teams and a lot of them on a given draft star studded, right. I think the highest rated draft in recent years was now it's somewhat unique, 2020, which, you know, not great times. We're all stuck at home. That. That was the draft when Belichick had the dog. You know, everyone's. All the head coaches and GMs are drafting from Their homes. It was also a star studded draft when it came to quarterbacks. You know, Joe Burrow had just had one of the great seasons we've ever seen. LSU had won the national championship. Tua, I mean there was Tank for TUA going on and Justin Herbert, who, it's weird he was the third quarterback taken, but he had basically been a four year starter at Oregon and like 16 million people watched last year, got enormous ratings. Why? Quarter quarterback century and a draft in terms of popularity. It's like, John, when are you going to break down Will Campbell? Yeah, probably not happening on the show. Besides just. Yeah, his arms are a question mark. But like no one's. If I started breaking down his feet in technique, not that that interests me at all. It definitely would not interest you and you would turn off the podcast. So I think we love talking about quarterbacks. We know they're the most important position and they also drive a draft. Right. The Johnny Footballs, the Carson Wentz, Mariota years, the RG3, Andrew Luck years, like those are enormous times for the interest of this product. And I think this is, we're kind of caught in no man's land. And I was thinking about this, the best thing that could happen for this draft, especially on draft night. And listen, I have no clue what's going to happen to Shador. I like Shador as a player. I enjoyed watching him this season. I think he's a pretty good player. I gambled on him a lot and he won me some money. He made some huge plays. I mean that throw he made against Baylor rolling to his left, I remember watching it live, like my jaw hit the floor. It was freaking awesome. I don't disagree with people saying like, you know, historically he's not some all time great prospect. And that's 100% true. Ten years ago, a guy like this probably goes in the second round. Well, a home used to cost 400 grand. That same home now costs 900 grand. Things change. And that's what's happened with quarterbacks, right? They used to. Guys like Derek Carr and Andy Dalton and Jimmy Garoppolo used to fall to the second round. No one thought anything of it. Those guys now all go in the top 20. We just saw it last year. Everyone's like, Bo Dix, not a first round quarterback. Not only is he a first round quarterback, he's going to go 12th and then he's going to be a starter immediately and lead a team to the playoffs. Now lead a team would be strong but be a starting quarterback. On a playoff team. So could she door go three? Because now Travis Hunter is the betting favorite to go number two.
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Jeremy Hobson
Sure.
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John Middlekauff
Could he go six? Could he go 15? Could he go 20? Yeah. I don't know. But I know the drama on the draft. He by far is their biggest character. I'm not proud to say this, and I've never been a Bravo watcher, but my wife, she loves a couple of the shows, Southern charm, she's addicted. And I'd be lying if I said, listen, I hate watch it, but I also like it a little bit. And you know, Summer House is another one of those shows. They are two of the most popular shows on Bravo. They crush. And on some of these shows, these people break up, they have these long relationships, they break up and they are still on the show years later together, even though they're dating other people. You're like, how weird is that? Because most human beings, when they break up with somebody, typically, especially when you're younger, you probably don't spend as much time around that person anymore. But in these shows they do. And the reason is because they're paying these people so much money that, like, it's too lucrative for them just to quit. On Summer House, these two were engaged. They broke up the last episode of the season, their engagement, a month before they were supposed to be married. And then this season, they're just back on the show. And it's like, how could you be around someone that you were engaged to, that you dated for a long time, this chick's now pregnant with some other dude. And spin around, it's simple money. And you know what? That creates a lot of drama, that creates interest. Bravo's got these people by the balls, paying them 25, 30, 40 grand an episode. It's like they're paying them too much to quit. And that creates the interest. And that's all the draft is. It's a huge reality television show. And Shador, I would say, is the biggest reality television character in this upcoming draft we have seen in years past. It's been other people. Last year, by far, it was Caleb Williams. It was not even close, but the other quarterbacks were pretty big. You know, Jaden Daniels, Heisman Trophy, LSU became a pretty big deal. Bo Nix had played at Oregon, Michael Penix had played at Washington. Those were big time programs. And their stardom had grown and grown and grown. And it's a huge reason why football is so big is because college football and the NFL are just so closely connected and they flow right into the draft, which is One of the biggest events, you could argue the biggest event non game of the year. So I think the Shador thing is just fascinating. I would have no problem if I needed a quarterback taking them. I think the Giants thinking that you can keep a job with Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston wouldn't just be naive. It'd be crazy. Now if they say, hey, we like a quarterback, we can get in the second or third round more than him, then I hear you take Abdul Carter, take another player. But you better be right because you're going to lose your job. And I'm telling you, Pete Carroll, I would not be shocked at all, especially with the power that Tom Brady now yields in that organization and his connection with Shador. But I think by far no one knows. It's the best part about draft season. No one actually knows because what a lot of the media is being told, as Morgan Wallen would say, are lies, lies, lies. I mean, you can't believe anything this time of year. Things are coming all over the place. These teams now for the next week or two are really hammering down their draft board coaches, let's face it, have big mouths. They talk a lot. Some of these coaches are not in the loop. They do not know what's going on. Some of them do. So this information getting out, it's, it's impossible to know what's correct and what's not. Obviously the betting markets now are hard not to take seriously because they clearly kind of know what's going on. And sitting here today, we know Cam Ward is going number one. I feel really confident on that. And that's not because the betting markets, I mean, hell, a month ago I was told that by someone that would know and when it comes to 2 and 3, like it does feel in some order that the other the two top prospects in this draft, Carter and Hunter, will go and then Shador, it's like, we'll see. But I would never rule out like, okay, Shador ended up with the Giants. Wouldn't shock you. It wouldn't be like Michael Pennix last year with Atlanta. So it's going to be fascinating how this works out. But don't ever get this twisted. This is a gigantic reaction reality show and it's, listen, as someone that has a love hate relationship with reality shows, I, I do respect kind of the business model of it all and like it's, whether it's scripted, regardless what it is. Like, I, I do think there's some validity to some of these people's emotions, but it's hard for them to get out if the network wants them to stay because they're paying them so much money. And it's a little like that with like Shador is just in this gossip loop, which is part of the reason this event is so highly anticipated and then watched. The fight for the jacket is on in Augusta. Get in on all the action at DraftKings Sportsbook. From the opening round through championship Sunday, DraftKings Sportsbook has you covered with live betting, player props, and so much more. Have you never bet on golf before? Don't worry, I got you covered. I love it and I do it all the time. You just have to pick a simple golfer to win the tourney and make your pick. It's that simple. They also got top tens, top twenties, head to head, a lot of different options. Here's something special for first timers. New DraftKings customers bet five bucks to get 150 in bonus bets. Instantly download the DraftKings sportsbook app and use the code JOHN. That's code JOHN for new customers to get 150 in bonus bets. When you bet just five bucks only on DraftKings, the crown is yours. Gambling problem. 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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country.
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Gilbert King
I am a lifelong Republican with all.
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Jeremy Hobson
Kinds of different people.
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Gilbert King
You know, I'm a mother.
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John Middlekauff
I'm a grandmother.
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Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle, into the national conversation.
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Jeremy Scott
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
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Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.
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John Middlekauff
Thanks for having me, Jeremy.
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Jeremy Hobson
Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.
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Jeremy Scott
Thanks for having me.
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Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
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Gilbert King
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
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Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
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Jeremy Scott
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.
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Jeremy Hobson
Listen to the middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Gilbert King
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in in Bone Valley Season one.
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John Middlekauff
I just knew him as a kid.
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Gilbert King
Long silent voices from his past came.
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Jeremy Scott
Forward and he was just staring at me.
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Gilbert King
And they had secrets of their own to share.
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Jeremy Scott
Gilbert King I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.
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Gilbert King
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
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Jeremy Scott
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Gilbert King
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
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Jeremy Scott
If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
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Gilbert King
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.
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Jeremy Scott
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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Gilbert King
Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy, Jeremy, I.
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Jeremy Scott
Want to tell you something.
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Gilbert King
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcast.
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John Middlekauff
Another thing that happened today is like Trent Balky is a polarizing figure. I've been talking about him for years because it does feel like a lot of people in the NFL don't like him, definitely do not trust him. And it felt kind of mob style this year that Liam Cohen, in a weird way, indirectly took out Trent. It's like, hey shot, you want to hire me? I'll never working for this guy. So if you want me, you better get rid of this guy. And then he was fired a couple of years ago he made a draft pick that was, I would say, pretty ballsy. Aiden Hutchinson was as close to of a can't miss Again, I say it all the time. There is no such thing. But there are players that it's going to be harder for them not to be a contributing member of a team. That's Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. Are they going to be all Stars? Are they going to be hall of Famers? I don't know. I have a hard time seeing Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter, health permitting, not be good players in the NFL. I Said the same thing about agent Hutchinson. It's like, yeah, I didn't know if he was going to be as good as he is. But if you watch them play at Michigan, you're like, this fucking guy can play. And he took Trayvon Walker, who at the time was on this star studded Georgia defense that had first rounders all over the place and he wasn't the best player. But it doesn't always play out that way when it comes to a draft. Like, what are your measurables? Physically, the guy was a freak, even though he wasn't the most productive. Like, I don't want to say Trent Balky got it right because I would still rather have Aiden Hutchinson over Trayvon Walker, but he definitely didn't get it wrong. Walker's had 10 sacks each of the last two years. He just got his fifth year option picked up by an administration that had nothing to do with him. Liam Cohen, I think Gladstone, maybe I'm screwing up his name. The new GM from LA and Bacelli. The Jags actually put out on YouTube behind the scenes video of Cohen, the new GM and Baczeli. It was really. I enjoyed it. I watched it on YouTube probably within the last week. Tony Bacelli feels like just a high level, impressive guy. Ran into him once at Starbucks. He is fucking massive. He look, he looks really skinny and good right now. Maybe a little Ozempic going on, but it feels like the Jags got some positive momentum. But anytime you get a new operation, like you saw Mike Vrabel come in and Josh McDaniels and they're like, Joe Milton, you're out of here. It's like, you just drafted me. You don't want. No, you're gone. See you, buddy. And they just, they just trade him for basically nothing. It's like, we just want him out of the building. Why? We're setting the tone. We want our guys. And some will say, well, they wanted to clear the decks for Drake May. It's like, yeah, Drake May is not worried about Joe Milton. But like Mike Vrabel wants no questions asked. And a lot of times when you get new administrations, they just, if you're not our guy, it's like a wait and see approach. And there was no wait and see approach to this. It's like, yeah, fifth year option, we'll pay you $15 million. And wouldn't shock me if things go well. They give him a huge contract extension. So Trent Balke takes a lot of shit. Currently unemployed, probably getting paid to do nothing. Give him Some credit on that one because it was controversial and not even necessarily correct because as of today it wasn't the correct decision. But it wasn't a wrong disaster either. A couple other things. Non football. Vlad Guerrero Jr. The son of Vlad Guerrero. I don't think he's senior, just Vlad Guerrero who I loved. I mean the guy, he swing out of his shoes, hit bombs. Vlad Guerrero, the dad made I think almost $150 million playing baseball. His son, who is a big bopper like his father, but definitely built a little different, a little more physical, you know, size wise is just signed a contract for $500 million. And listen, I have seen the Internet and seen people with takes all over the place. Like you're just a year away. You've waited this long. You could have seen what the market. Can you imagine someone putting $500 million in front of your face in turning that down? We just had a question the other day on the mailbag about a guy's business and he could make $2 million. He's in his mid-30s. It's like this is, listen, I love, I own this company. Things are going great. It's like, should I do this? And it makes you think, you probably have some sleepless nights. I will never forget being in Philadelphia when I first moved there. Cole Hamels was like this. I don't want to say the star pitcher because they had Roy Halladay as well, who was better. But it's like they were going to give Cole Hamels an extension, maybe he was going to make it to free agency. And it was like he signed for $120 million. And I remember someone saying like, can you imagine being Cole Hamels and trying to drive a hard bargain? And they put A. And 15 years ago, $120 million might as well have been like 250. Put that money in front of you and saying, yeah, I'm going to wait another six months. It's hard to pass up this money. Now signing a player on the flip side to these 10 plus year deals, 14 years, besides someone you marry, I don't know if I would do business with anybody and sign a 14 year contract. That feels pretty crazy. Obviously if you have a 30 year mortgage, that's a long contract that you have with a bank. But in terms of a business partner and from the Blue Jay standpoint, now the way that you amortize, if you are going to give a guy $500 million, you'd rather do 14 years than five. But it does seem a little crazy and it's weird. Like baseball. All you ever hear from people on the shows, baseball's dead because they just talk about the NBA when 90% of the NBA nobody watches. And you see these contracts being divvied out in baseball, it's like 700 million here, 750 million here. 350 million, 500 million. It's weird, like, cool for these guys. It's an exorbitant amount of money. It's. It doesn't feel like a great deal for the team. Now, I get if you're Toronto, you don't want to lose them, but if you're a great baseball player right now, it is a lucrative proposition. One thing I have one stance I'm going to take moving forward. And listen, we talk about it here in regards to a guy moving teams. You know, it's happening in basketball right now. You see this guy goes from San Diego State and he goes to Wisconsin. This guy transfers from Washington State to Kentucky. It's happening all the time. I'm done with the arguing back and forth about nil. I just don't care. How are people still so worked up over this? Now, I understand it's not an ideal situation and it's going to play itself out, but after a year or two, I get having takes and takes. I don't understand how people are still arguing this. I just like, who cares? Let it just play itself out. It's like this guy wants so and so wants this much money. Well, either offer him that much money or say no. And if you say no and he goes somewhere else and he gets that much money, that was his value. If you say no and he can't get that much money anywhere else and he'll take what you offered him, like, welcome to supply and demand. I just think some of these takes on Nils, I'm just kind of getting exhausted with it. Like, I don't give a shit whether this guy gets 300,000 or 500,000. Cool. For him, I mean, I just don't see how everyone is still so worked up. And I'm talking more media. People see him arguing constantly. Like, on my Twitter timeline, it's like, how do you guys care this much at this point in time? I mean, we are several years into this. Let people make mistakes, let him not make mistakes. Who gives a. It's all going to play itself out. And last but not least, I enjoyed the first couple seasons of White Lotus. It was really good. I found this last season awful. Like, really, really boring. And my standards for television are pretty low. Like, I'M pretty easily entertained given that I watch now. Summerhouse and Southern Charm. So a show like White Lotus I welcome into my life. And the first several seasons were pretty incredible. Like, they were just, I don't want to say elite television, but they were pretty high level. This last season was awful. I thought it was a snooze fest. Now I keep watching and it's weird. Sometimes with television shows I get fomo. Like, I don't want to miss out when I feel like a lot of people are watching. Even if I don't like the show. The best example for me on this would have been Game of Thrones. I'm just not into, like, dragons. So if you tell me there are dragons in a show, like, it's not going to be for me. But it felt culturally, the show was so big I had to watch and there was enough violence and enough nudity. I was like, oh, I'm entertained. But I did not think it was as, like, transcendent as clearly a lot of people in this space of talking about things. I feel White Lotus kind of fell under that umbrella. Like, everyone held the show to such high regard because of the previous seasons, and rightfully so. It was awesome. And then this season happened. You're like, come on, guys, this isn't really it. And we all know it. We're watching because we, despite having a million streaming services and a million shows to watch, most of them kind of suck. And we get into it. It's not that interesting. Occasionally you run into like a interesting documentary. Me and Maria just watched this chick called, like, Ruby Frank. She was like this YouTube mom in Utah. It's crazy. I mean, it makes you sick to your stomach. You root for her. I mean, jail is not enough. I'll just say that, like, I mean, she should go bye bye forever. Not in a jail, probably down, not up. But you watch. It was really well done. It was really powerful. Sometimes you run into like, I didn't even know about the story. But you know, you get shows like White Lotus, the build up. Everyone's talking about it. And then you watch this season, you're like, what? It's just kind of stupid. But yeah, it's finally over. And then the anticipation for season five. Let's just hope it's better than season four.
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country.
- [33:41]
Gilbert King
I am a lifelong Republican with all.
- [33:43]
Jeremy Hobson
Kinds of different people.
- [33:45]
John Middlekauff
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
- [33:47]
Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
- [33:56]
Jeremy Scott
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
- [33:58]
Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.
- [34:03]
Gilbert King
Thanks for having me.
- [34:03]
John Middlekauff
Jeremy.
- [34:04]
Jeremy Hobson
Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.
- [34:06]
Jeremy Scott
Thanks for having me.
- [34:07]
Jeremy Hobson
And here from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
- [34:11]
Gilbert King
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
- [34:15]
Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
- [34:24]
Jeremy Scott
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary? And what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.
- [34:31]
Jeremy Hobson
Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [34:39]
Gilbert King
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.
- [34:46]
John Middlekauff
I just knew him as a kid.
- [34:48]
Gilbert King
Long, silent voices from his past came.
- [34:51]
Jeremy Scott
Forward and he was just staring at me.
- [34:54]
Gilbert King
And they had secrets of their own to share.
- [34:58]
Jeremy Scott
Gilbert King I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.
- [35:04]
Gilbert King
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
- [35:08]
Jeremy Scott
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
- [35:12]
Gilbert King
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
- [35:17]
Jeremy Scott
If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
- [35:22]
Gilbert King
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.
- [35:29]
Jeremy Scott
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
- [35:32]
Gilbert King
Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy, Jeremy, I.
- [35:36]
Jeremy Scott
Want to tell you something.
- [35:38]
Gilbert King
Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
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John Middlekauff
Let's start with Allen again. Just firing those DMs, thinking about the events of the super bowl and what could happen in the next few years. From Mahomes and the Chiefs, could we see a Steph Curry career for Patrick wins early and shows to be the best player in the league. And then as the team gets older, key players aren't there anymore and you're just not the same, but you somehow make a championship game. A few years later after that last trip we could see Travis retire, Jones get injured, O line never become strong, Reed retires. What are your thoughts on the similarities and can you see something similar to Steph's career for Mahomes? Well, I don't think they'll parallel each other because Curry's. When he won his championship in 22, it was still with Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, who had been there since 15, 16, the Durant era. And then obviously those guys had gotten injured in clay, mainly Achilles and ACL tears. I do think that the best thing that could happen to like his the team big picture, if they had a bad year where everyone got hurt and it was just a disaster. And remember the warriors had a year where they had the second overall pick. They had a year where they had two really high picks the following year. So if you can bottom out and get a high pick and for the Chiefs that could be like pick 7 or 9 or 10 if they just over the next couple years have a disastrous season. Obviously I don't want this to happen, but if, if he were to get hurt, remember the Chiefs, excuse me, the Patriots, I forget what year it was, but maybe they never really bottomed out. I guess they just finished the second the one time with Matt Castle. But you kind of got to either get lucky with some later round draft picks, but if they were to ever have a bad year and Veatch were to get a top 10 pick in every round, it would be a problem. It really would. And it also builds on the hype of, you know, this is the year, remember when. Let's just say they went 9 and 8 and they missed the playoffs and it's like, oh, he lost his fastball. And then the next year because you have the 15th pick in the draft, you're able to kind of retool your roster. I doubt that happens. I mean, I'm going to bet the over this year. But I hear what you're saying. I think there are similarities. The difference is Patrick had never, has never needed, you know, Steph took a lot of shit. Even though what he had already, Kevin Durant needed him. He didn't need Kevin Durant like he'd already won a championship. Kevin came, they won a couple more and then he leaves. Kevin's never won anything since Steph's won another championship. It's like Mahomes. One with Tyreek, one without Tyreek, one with a good offensive line, one with an average one. So I actually think he's already kind of done all the checklists. How does Anthony Richardson go top five. But Milroe will be a third round or later pick. Was he almost hurt by how much film we had on him? I've mentioned this before, 100%. If Jalen Milroe had just played 12 games in college, if Jalen Milroe would have just his season last year would have been it. Yes, he would have gone higher. The more film we have on a guy, the more you get nitpicked. Especially when it kind of is an up and down experience. Especially if you're not the most accurate player. But listen, Jalen Milroy saw today is going to the draft. I don't think he's going to go in the first round. I think that would be insane. I even think as a second round pick that's pretty crazy. Third round like Malik Willis has gone to the third round. I can live with that if I'm a team like project. If my OC and my quarterback coach are into it though history would say most guys that struggle with accuracy never turn that around. But we, you know, Milroe, it's hard to get that Georgia first half, which might have been the greatest first half he'll ever play in his life, was pretty awesome. Everyone loves the guy. I think that's Anthony Richardson had that going for him too. Now clearly that's maturity has been a knock on him. I've never heard that with Melroe. You were talking about Geno and Cousins today and I thought about other quarterbacks that are close to that age. Other than Russ. I couldn't think of any that had decent careers. Is this a product of college offenses being so focused on bubbles and short passes during that era or was it just a weird coincidence that guys are left from the early to mid 10s? Yeah, I think it's a weird coincidence because if that was a trend we never would have got Lamar, Josh, Mahomes, Herbert. I mean we've gotten a lot of good quarterbacks, Hertz, Goff over the last seven, eight years. So I, I think it's just a weird coincidence. We did go through a rough stretch there. You know, Cam got old fast and he was really good for for a minute, obviously won an mvp. But then his career just fell off a cliff once the shoulder got hurt. But if you think about RG3 got.
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Jeremy Hobson
Hurt.
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John Middlekauff
You know, Foles could never quite find a role beside being a backup. Yeah, I don't know, it's just, you know, Russ Dak, there's some mid rounders. You consider Dak as part of that 16, probably a little later than you're talking about. There was a lot of Jake Lockers and Christian Ponders and EJ manuals. I think it was just a bad two or three year stretch. Clearly it feels like we're on a better one right now. It's crazy how that happens sometimes. Patriot fan excited to see how this upcoming season goes. I know you and Colin feel how you guys feel about the over on our win total. Something to note too is that the farthest the team travels this year to an away game is New Orleans. Pending any international games being finalized. My question is how important is travel distance to overall team health and morale? Seems like a good thing that we don't need to do any west coast games this season. Listen, I never played in the NFL so I can't speak to you know what travel is like on the body. Now Travel has never been easier for these guys. Unless you're on the crafts plane which obviously you guys are like they're cigarette, what was it? There are not cigarette lighters but ashtrays. That was one knock. There are ashtrays on the planes. Like I'm sorry guys, no one's smoking on the plane. Who fucking cares? But I hear you. It's like we'd like a newer plane. That's. Yeah, but I would say obviously if you're traveling I think it's harder to go west to east or excuse me, it's harder to go east to west in terms of if you have a Monday night or Sunday night game and you're the Patriots, the Jets, you know the jets this year played Monday night Football in San Francisco. Well the game ends at 8:30 Pacific Standard Time. Well it's 11:30 their time. So by the time that they get on the plane and start taking off it's what, two, two and a half hours later probably once you do media shower, eat and I mean it takes a couple hours to. Not only takes an hour minimum just to get all your stuff off, change, get everything to the bus, probably 20, 30 minutes by the time you board the plane. I mean you're talking several hours. So you don't even get up in the air till 11:30 at night, Pacific Standard Time. And then it's 2:30, you know, east coast time. So by the time you land sometimes the sun's coming out. That to me throws you off, vice versa when you play on the east, fly back west, you gain time so it makes it a little bit easier. I do think there is some value like if you play, if you're the Patriots or Just any team. And you've got like a stretch where you play like the Chargers and then the Seahawks or the Rams and then the 49ers, and it's like you just stay, you know, in Southern California or whatever, kind of some solid team bonding. Obviously it works when you win. I think at the end of the day, a lot comes down to like, is your team good? Because if your team's good, these guys are used to think about now in football, in college football, you know, if you're Minnesota, you come out to play UCLA and then you play Oregon, like these guys over the next couple of years are going to get kind of numb to the travel and the distances that some of these conferences have to go, right? If you are UCF, you're in the Big 12, you come out to play Arizona State. I mean, some of the. Then you go to Kansas. I mean some of the. The travel distances. Now in college, Stanford and Cal are in the acc. That means they play Boston College. They play Duke in North Carolina, Miami and Clemson and Florida State. I mean, these guys, they're used to some long road trips. Plus in the pros, these guys are good with their bodies. The teams take it so seriously how to rehab and recover. So I. It's not, not a big deal, but it's probably a little overhyped. I think it's fair. Unless you just have an ungodly amount of travel, which the, you know, the coastal teams can get, depending on their schedule, right? Seattle, the Niners, the LA teams, obviously the jets, the. The Giants, Patriots, Panthers. If you draw the opposite end of the NFC west or the AFC east, like, you're going to have some long flights. Hi from Down Under. As a fellow podcaster, how do you prepare for your podcast? It is one thing to prepare for a guest, but being a solo podcaster is at a different level. What is your key to success? Also, what coffee do you drink? Would love to send you some coffee. This guy's got a coffee company. I just drink. We got a coffee maker for the wedding. It's actually a pretty nice one with the beans. So I usually get either Starbucks or Pete's or Dunkin. Just the beans, a Safeway and dump them in and a couple shots of espresso in the morning and then maybe a coffee at lunch. I would say I've been doing it the same since I've been in radio to podcasting. I just find things that I want to talk about. Obviously the digital age has changed a little bit. I make notes on my phone whenever things Pop into my head and like today it's 2:00. Recording the mailbag. I mean the mailbag's pretty self explanatory. You guys are just asking me questions. But for anything that's not the mailbag, I write it out. Things that I'm excited about, angles I want to take. Yeah, things I think are interesting. Kind of write it out before the show and then press play and just talk about it. Helps me kind of get my thoughts together. Doesn't always work. Sometimes it does. Some shows are better than others. I don't know, I don't really have like a, a master plan. But I would say most shows are kind of, I don't want to say written out like word for word, but kind of write the main topics. I just, it just helps me to hand write some thoughts down and then anything. Like I usually get up, it depends. Like this morning I got up really early because I had to take the dog to the haircut. So I was at the gym by like 6:45 and by you know, time you get home it's picked up the dog, it's 8:30, have some coffee, shower. It's like I got the whole day to attack. Sometimes if I get up at like 6:37 I'll just go make coffee and come right to the office and kind of just figure out what some ideas I want to talk about and then go to the gym at like 9:10 o'clock and that kind of gets my mind rolling. So it's just every day is a little different. The off season is where you make your money. I mean in seasons I don't want to say easy but like right now, especially these couple weeks before the draft, there's not going to be much going on. So it's, it's probably a little more creatively inspiring slash difficult I guess. I'm looking for 2026 NFL Draft prospects and I don't see any stars at quarterback. Aller is basically Hackenberg 2.0. Arch Manning is going to stay at Texas for a couple more years. Collective nil oil money club. Nick is small. Nico at Tennessee is too skinny. I don't see any quarterbacks that will become starters right away as they all feel like backups. Do you think teams looking for a future quarterback are in trouble? Does this make veterans like Cousins more valuable? Well, if you think everyone sucks in college, I'm not saying you, which you kind of do, but like if you're an NFL team and you always have to also look ahead so you have to have A pretty good idea and clearly things change during a season but hey we, we like three or four of these quarterback prospects. It was like two years ago. There was a lot of buzz on Drake May, on Obviously Caleb, on JJ McCarthy and then guys like Bo Nix. Bo Nix not as much. Well a little bit. I mean he had a good season his first year at Oregon. Michael Penix were guy. We're just intriguing prospects. So you kind of look I think club Nick's Club Nick's kind of intriguing. I don't know his measurables. I think Arch is a major wild card. He could be a star. Who knows I mean but he also might not be. Nico's got a long way to go before we can talk about him getting drafted high. But things change. I mean we've talked about this a lot is at this time going into their senior years no one would have talked about Baker Mayfield or Joe Burrow as the number one overall pick. Not a soul. And Baker wasn't a no brainer but Joe Burrow sure was. So I think the powerful part about a season is like you control your own destiny. You ball out, you dominate. Like Nico. What if Nico wins the Heisman next year? Not saying he will but if he kind of finally lives up to that ability he could be a top five pick. Cam Ward is a good example. He's going to go number one overall. He went back to school because they're like yeah, you'd probably be like a third or fourth round pick. So things change so much. You're on the right names but it's hard to safe in for certain I'm with you on Arch like I think it would be shocking unless he Texas goes like 15 and oh they don't lose a game. He wins the Heisman, maybe he just comes out he's the number one overall pick. But the other guys, yeah, major question marks, who knows. But it can go good too. Like it can go bad, it can go good. Thing with Kirkus is he's 37, he makes a lot of money and he doesn't look like he's playing that well so I guess it gives him some leverage. But ultimately if Kirk Cousins your quarterback, do you feel great about it right now in 2025 you felt good about it three or four years ago. I don't know if you feel great about it now. I just think things change so dramatically that it's hard to know what a future draft will look like. I think it's really, really difficult. You know if I would have told you last Year at this time that this 5, 8 running back from Boise State is going to be, most people think a top 10 pick that you thought it was nuts, like, well, he's about to run for like 2,500 yards. You would have thought Travis Hunter would be a top pick for sure. But think about some of the other guys. You just never know. I don't understand why teams in the draft would take the same position or near the same position as their star players like the Browns that already have Miles Garrett. Why would they draft Carter? Or the Giants that just drafted Neighbors, but they're thinking about taking Hunter. Can you make this make sense? With such important picks, why wouldn't you pick a serious need? Because the old adage is draft the best player. When you take need, it just brings in more potential risk because sometimes the need right doesn't equal the board. So why would you take Travis Hunter if you're the Giants and you just took Malik Neighbors well, he's by far the best player in your board, for example. And you go, well, he could also play corner, we need a corner. And if you are the the Cleveland Browns, you're like, we don't love any of these quarterbacks to pick to. And if we take Abdul Carter, we think he's a star pass rusher and in a couple years we'll move on for Miles Garrett and he will be our Miles Garrett. And for a couple years we will have them both together. So we'll have arguably the best defensive player in the league to go with one of the young up and coming stars. A position of strength can turn into a position of need with one broken ankle. So things can change really fast. Most teams aren't like three, four deep, so having an extra player at a position beside quarterback makes a lot of sense. So I don't think teams look at it quite like that. Now when the need, like I need a left tackle, there's a star left tackle there. It's a, it's an easy pick. But this isn't a good draft. So like what should the Giant, who should the Giants take? Assuming they don't take a quarterback, just take the best player on the board, figure it out later. If every team needs to spend at least 90% of the salary cap over a four year average per the salary cap floor rule, where do the media slash former players get off by saying teams like the Bengals don't spend money? I absolutely have no issue with it as I am a Bears fan and we just paid our way to possibly having a winning team Next year. But just curious because it seems like Everybody is within 10% each of each other in terms of spending at the end of the day. Well, I think there's a big difference. And listen, I mean the players, especially former players, are always going to complain the teams aren't spending enough. Right. I mean, that's the money that they're trying to get, which I've said this before, but it's really kind of crystallized this off season is like they're in a partnership, a 5050 agreement. You know, some of you listening and I am as well. You're in partnerships, right? Most of our partnerships lay out pretty. If you're in a 50, 50 or 30, 70 or whatever a dollar comes in, you split it like that. Yet the players who are in this partnership are, you know, obligated to their percentage, yet they have to fight for their cut and the teams dictate. I mean, it's a pretty incredible business. Like we have to pay these players, but we get to pick and choose who we want to pay and we're going to make you beg for it. It's kind of crazy when you think about it. But you know, the Bengals are a good example and we, we hit on this a couple weeks ago. They just paid their two wide receivers, but they didn't manipulate the salary cap. Both those two guys, if you combine their salary cap number in 2025 is dramatically higher combined than guys last year. Justin Jefferson, CD Lamb, Brandon Iuk. Their cap numbers that first year was really low because you can prorate it over the life of a deal. Hell, the Eagles and the 49ers just make up void years just to spread out the signing bonus. The Bengals didn't do that because it actually manipulates their cap. So they don't actually have that much room. And you can give huge cash bonuses as quote unquote signing bonuses and manipulate a contract. That's not necessarily what the Bengals are doing. So they're cheap relative to Jeffrey Lurie. Right. Or some of these owners that are spending a lot of their actual cash last year, Jed York, the Haslams, they spend a lot of cash. But people would say the Bengals don't. Now, do they have it or not? Relative to those guys? No. Mike Brown does not have Jimmy Haslam money or even at this point in time, Jeffrey Lurie money, Not even close. But he also avoids those situations as much as possible. So these are first class super rich guy problems, but they're just cheaper than other teams. You know, the crafts get knocked on this. Yeah, the salary cap. Again, the salary cap is just money that's given through the partnership of the league. So that money's getting handed to you whether you have a good, bad team, make money or don't make money. And all the teams do. But in terms of that's the media money that pays for your salary cap, because the media's check is if the salary cap is $250 million, the media money is like 425 million. So it's impossible to lose money on your players. And again, you are obligated to give them the money. They just have to beg and fight for it with their agents. But I think there's some validity to it. But I'm with you. I think stuff goes overboard, but that's just kind of the world we live in.
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country.
- [57:21]
Gilbert King
I am a lifelong Republican with all.
- [57:24]
Jeremy Hobson
Kinds of different people.
- [57:25]
John Middlekauff
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
- [57:28]
Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
- [57:36]
Jeremy Scott
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
- [57:38]
Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the men.
- [57:43]
Gilbert King
Thanks for having me.
- [57:43]
John Middlekauff
Jeremy.
- [57:44]
Jeremy Hobson
Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.
- [57:46]
Jeremy Scott
Thanks for having me.
- [57:47]
Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
- [57:51]
Gilbert King
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
- [57:55]
Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
- [58:04]
Jeremy Scott
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.
- [58:12]
Jeremy Hobson
Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [58:19]
Gilbert King
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.
- [58:26]
John Middlekauff
I just knew him as a kid.
- [58:28]
Gilbert King
Long, silent voices from his past came.
- [58:32]
Jeremy Scott
Forward and he was just staring at me.
- [58:34]
Gilbert King
And they had secrets of their own to share.
- [58:38]
Jeremy Scott
Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.
- [58:44]
Gilbert King
I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.
- [58:48]
Jeremy Scott
Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
- [58:52]
Gilbert King
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
- [58:57]
Jeremy Scott
If the cops and everything would have done the job properly. My dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.
- [59:02]
Gilbert King
I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.
- [59:09]
Jeremy Scott
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer Bone.
- [59:13]
Gilbert King
Valley Season 2 Jeremy Jeremy, I want to tell you something. Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 starting April 9th on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or where wherever you get your podcasts and to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content starting April 9th. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.
- [59:43]
John Middlekauff
Huge fan of the show the Titans take cam Ward at 1, the Cowboys trade Dak Prescott to the Browns for the number two pick and take Shador Sanders. The Giants select Travis Hunter at 3, boost their underrated defense and the Eagles trade A.J. brown, a first round pick and maybe more to the Patriots for number four and draft Abdul Carter. Vrabel would love to get Brown back, which would be huge for Drake Mays Development in New England. The Browns likely had to promise Miles Garrett they were going to make a move and getting a proven quarterback like Dak makes sense. With their Win now mindset, the Giants secure an elite corner making the defense even stronger. The Eagles already dominated in the trenches at a game changing outside pass rusher to pair with Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis, making them even scarier. The big question are whether the Browns take on Dax Contract, if the Cowboys truly trust Shador Sanders and if the Eagles value Abdul Carter. This is the well thought out a lot of moves there. There was a rumor within the last, I don't know, couple weeks from somebody I'd never heard of him, but it made its round out there on the interweb about Dak Prescott to the Browns for number two. I don't, I don't know the exact details that he said. I would imagine if it was number two, Dak Prescott, I don't even know. Who knows. It's pretty complicated because they just paid Dak Prescott a ton of money. I don't know why you would trade the number two pick for Dak Prescott given that there are a lot of question marks with actually how good he is. He doesn't have a great arm. He plays in a dome. You play in a cold. Not a great environment for weak arm quarterbacks. It's really windy there in Cleveland. You plan an outdoor division in Pittsburgh. In Baltimore it's really cold. I don't think I would do that now if you were Jerry. Again, complicated. I think it would destroy their cap. I think you would think about it from a marketing standpoint the chances that Shedeur Sanders is better than Dak based on just history how often quarterbacks that are drafted are better than a guy that's been a really good player for a long time now we can nitpick him. Obviously he has flaws. Obviously he's not a top five quarterback but he's a really good starter improving like over and over. You can win double digit games with him as your starting quarterback. There is no guarantee Shador Sanders can do that. So from a marketing buzz it'd be incredible. But then you actually got to play the games so I don't know I don't think I would do that if I was the Browns Lifelong Chiefs fan Help the miles fall off trucking America Appreciate you My question is as Kelsey clearly ages and Noah Gray seems to not be in not be a solution should the Chiefs trade for Kyle Pitts I'm sure a 6 round pick would pass. I do think the Chiefs are going to be interested in doing like how are they going to acquire talent right they are drafting at the end of these rounds every single year so it's harder to get flyers. It's why they have taken trying to think in recent memory have they done that recently? Obviously they made the big trade with Tyreek Hill but they trade for someone else. I don't know why my mind's not working. I feel like he had a pretty good year last year. Not really at 47 catches I think he's is he going into his fifth year option? I I don't know. I would probably do it for a fifth or sixth fear them but I'm I'm pretty sure it's like contract isn't small. Kyle Pitt's contract say this about Google the AI thinks pretty legit comes right up so so Kyle Pitts is scheduled to make $10.8 million. That'd be an expensive tight end room because Kelsey makes a lot and then you're paying Pitts 10.8. I don't think financially it works if he was making like he did last year I mean he was drafted so high he's made a lot of money. Kyle Pitts after the Kyle Pitts for a guy that it is not gone great is doing pretty well financially. I mean he originally signed a $32 million contract and then next year's fifth year option is another 10 so he's going to make he's gonna make like 40 plus million dollars in five years. It listen it sucks getting drafted high to bad teams. If You're a good player and that team stays bad. But financially there's a big difference to go in top five than like pick 20. Big difference. Okay, last question. Bucks fan here. Long question for you. Why does everyone feel the need to dump on the NFC south for the past 10 years? The Falcons went to the super bowl with the mvp. The Panthers went to the super bowl with the mvp. The Bucks won the Super Bowl. The Saints were successful during an era with multiple playoff appearances. And if it wasn't for that PI call against and the Minnesota miracle, they would have went to a Super bowl in the NFC Championship game. Why doesn't anyone dump on the AFC south which has done way less. How does a division with three teams that made the super bowl always get bashed in the media more than the AFC South? Well, you guys are much more relevant like you said. I mean the Panthers Cam Newton was just a major story for a decade. The Matt Ryan Falcons is still Talked about the 283 game the Saints were I mean a stalwart conversation in the NFL once Peyton got there with Breeze and then kill the head the body will die. The suspensions, that second version of them with Dennis Allen as the defensive coordinator and the Bucks who are just good. I just think you guys are way more relevant. Like the AFC south is by far, by far the least relevant division in the NFL. I you know the Colts post Peyton Manning and Andrew Locke. Let's like what are we talking about? The Titans have just not bringing much to the table. The Jags are really not bringing much that I mean the Jags are terrible. I think people underestimate how bad their records have been. If you just go to the Jags over the last let's just start in 07. I'm just going to read you win total since 07. So starting in 08, 578-524-353 17 out of nowhere 10 then they go on a great stretch here. 5, 6. One forgot that they went 1 in 15. Holy shit. They were bad in 23. 9 and 8. 9 and 8. And then last year back to who they are. 4 and 13. They're a bad franchise. You could argue right now they're one of the worst if not the worst franchise in the NFL. They're really bad. So I think it's that. So you got the Colts, the Titans, the Jags. Why do I always forget the other team? Oh, the Texans. I think the Texans. It's like whenever I see should so and so move to Austin, Texas. Like Texas doesn't need Another team, the Cowboys is enough. They don't even need Houston. But Houston, such a big market and Houston solid. But I do think Houston, even when they're solid the last couple years, they get overshadowed in that state by the Cowboys. So it just shows you I, I mean I talk about football for a living and I'm trying to like name off the south team and you just forget that there is not, that there is not another division. The AFC east has had two good teams for 20 years, the Patriots and now the Bills. Yet when you think the AFC east, the Dolphins and the jets consistently are suck. It's like you just the Dolphins and the jets, the AFC west, same thing. It's like Chiefs have dominated that thing for a while. The Raiders haven't been good. The majority of my adult life use the Raiders. You know, there's always kind of doing something. Yet I'm with you. The AFC south, you guys take more shit. It's like, you know, what did Reggie Jackson say? They don't boo nobodies. You guys are just a little more relevant, way more relevant than that division. There's a reason Mike Tomlin gets talked about a lot. He's a coach of the Steelers. If Mike Tomlin was a 17 year vet as the coach of the Jags, it wouldn't be the same. So it's just like brands do kind of matter. They matter. I'm wearing Travis Matthews right now, wearing rainbow sandals, got a Stanley next to me. You know, it's like the Steelers, the Yankees, the Lakers, the Packers. Then there's the Jags, the Colts. I love Nashville, just got married there. The Titans are like feel like an afterthought in that part of the country. You know what matters down there? The sec. So I hear you, you guys are also an SEC country, but clearly your football teams have just been just well run. I mean, think about the difference of like Chris Ballard. I don't think they made the playoffs in seven, eight years. And the Jags, we just read off their win total. They probably average over the last 16, 17 years, five, six wins a year. I mean you guys, the Falcons had Thomas Dimitrov for a long time. Julio Jones, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Tom Brady. The Bucks did suck before that, Drew Brees, Sean Payton. So I. You're 100% correct. Good, good DM. Adios everybody. The volume.
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Gilbert King
Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one.
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Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.
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Jeremy Scott
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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