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3&Out - Sauce Gardner gets PAID, Terry McLauren is NOT happy, Shemar Stewart may RETURN to Texas A&M
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What is going on everybody? How are we doing? Hopefully everyone is having a great day, a beautiful week, staying cool, keeping that AC pumping. I know I just paid my AC bill thing is not low but you don't have a Choice when it's 145 degrees outside. Luckily, we're here to talk some football and the NFL business is a booming. So we had some guys get paid today Sas Gardner, the Jets go back to back. The new administration pay their highly drafted corner former all Pro. The KMC Chiefs pay their Pro bowl guard, Trey Smith. So we got money flowing. But there is a guy named Terry McLaurin, scary Terry in Washington who is not happy with his current situation. And I think after we've seen some money get given out at that position, Scary Terry wants a lot of money. So we'll discuss some of that and a funny story that I saw in regards to the Bengals, but a lot of football stuff going on right now. I cannot complain. We're getting some breaking news, some some stories coming down the pike in the middle of July before even most rookies have reported a training camp. I am happy so we will discuss this coming up. But before we do, you know I got to tell you about my friends. You know I got to tell you about my partners. The official ticketing app of this podcast, Game Time. Best in the business cannot recommend them enough. Download that app and I'm telling you what do you want to do? Do you want to go the All Star Game actually is happening as I speak, recording this podcast a little bit later. But anything you want to do, do you want to go to a playoff baseball game? Do you want to go to the World Series? You want to go to a football game this fall? Do you want to go to a concert? Do you want to go enjoy yourself on a night out, get out of the house, go do something fun. You know, sometimes in this country we just as Rihanna once famously said, work, work, work, work, work. It's all we do. And listen, I'm guilty of this too. It's like I need to have a night out on the town, take my beautiful wife, you can take a buddy, have yourself some fun and do it on us. Because take the guesswork out of buying tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account and use the code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase Terms apply again. Create an account, redeem the code John J O h n for $20 off down the Game Time app today, last minute take his lowest prices guaranteed. Before we dive into sauce Gardner and Trey Smith and Terry McLaurin, I do just want to take an overall view. There was a story that broke a cup within the last couple of weeks by the Big Jays, Pablo Torrey, Mike Florio and they were riding for it hard. This collude. The NFL is colluding against its players and it had no traction. No one cared. And the two guys they talked about, I mean the one leading guy was Kyler Murray. And I look today that Kyler Murray at the end of this season will have made $170 million playing in the NFL. Justin Herbert was another guy that was used in this story, colluded keeping his wages down. He's 27 years old. @ the end of this season he will have made $155 million. I bet when it's all said and done, both guys will combine for way more than $500 million playing the NFL. There has never been a better time to be involved in the business of football. Hell, where I am sitting right now, I worked in the NFL for three years and have parlayed a career talking about the sport that has put me in a position that I couldn't have dreamed of in basically any other industry. I think about it a lot with the media. I mean think about one of the biggest media stars right now. Pat McAfee was a punter. Signs for hundreds of millions of dollars over the last four or five years with multiple companies. The New Heights podcast with Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelsey just signed a contract for a hundred million dollars. It's a podcast they do once a week. Pardon my take. The biggest sports podcast, let's Be Real, started out and is still mainly a football show. The guy I work for, Colin Coward, who's arguably the biggest guy in the business, what is he really known for? Talking about football, obviously if you're involved as an owner, as a player, as a coach, as a GM. Do you know I've known multiple GMs who bought second properties, as in like lake houses or property in Florida that would been reserved 10, 20, 30 years ago for stuff the owners would have done. Maybe, maybe the superstar coach in 2005 or 2000 because they were the guys only making big time money. Now everyone is cashing in. We see guards in the NFL now signing for more guaranteed money than some wide receivers. Trey Smith, a year after Brandon Iuk got $75 million, essentially got the same thing. He plays guard. So it is crazy and I've said this forever. Football is not going to stay on top forever. That's not the way the world works. I don't care what industry you're in, I don't care how good the times are, it does not last forever. Now that could be a 50 year run, 100 year run, a 25 year run, I don't know. But right now it's. It doesn't get any better. The game has never been more popular. We have never had more people watching college football. Now with this playoffs, I mean, the ratings on the college football games, the regular season last year hit like historic highs. So the minor leagues, which is what that sport is for, the NFL, obviously the draft has never been more consumed. There's never been a better time to be interested in this sport, to be involved in this sport. Obviously, if you're talented enough to play in the sport, economically, it's not even close. And I feel very fortunate that as a kid I fell in love with football. And as a guy who was terrible when he actually played in high school, I loved it and I loved everything about it. And for the last 20 years, once my high school career ended, I have thought about it basically every day of my life and been lucky enough to be involved with it and even as I left it to stay involved with it. And it is insane how far it's come and where it's going. Like at this rate, I don't even know. So I'm not surprised when those guys tried to break this story about collusion. Everyone with a brain basically just said, isn't that kind of business? And I don't really see anyone getting screwed here. And the business is absolutely booming. So listen, guys like Sauce Gardner and Trey Smith, I would imagine they got big smiles on their faces today. So let's talk about Sauce Gardner, who had a rough year last year. And I've talked about it, that as I was told by a guy who's pretty close to the situation that just said, listen, and jets fans know this, they started officiating him a little bit differently and it did not go his way. And let's be real about him as a player, his skill set like Derek Stingley, who got more guaranteed money than Sauce Gardner some places. Schefter originally tweeted he got 60 million. Then later it came out 85 million. Regardless, he got a lot of money. Not as much as Stingley in terms of guarantees, but he got paid a lot for a new staff coming in off a rough season. Now he was drafted really high and he's achieved in terms of individual success a lot so far in a short period of time. But certain players, like Darrell Revis or now Stingley or Patrick Certain, while prime, you know, I wouldn't call him Richard Sherman as a tackler in terms of playing on, playing off, he could do anything because his athleticism was beyond elite. And typically the best corners are the best athlete on the field in terms of change of direction, in terms of speed, in terms of stop and start, in terms of recovery speed, in terms of explosion. Because they don't know what's coming yet, they follow the guy who's typically the best athlete on offense everywhere. And the best ones don't allow any space between the other guy. So that is not Sauce. He is not some 43 guy. He is not Mr. Deion Sanders in a short area, changing direction and exploding. He is a guy who is going to be. His success is going to be predicated on being physical, right? That is going to be his thing. That was Richard Sherman's thing. But the thing Richard has is Richard tackled like he was a middle linebacker. He's one of the greatest tackling big corners you'll ever see. Jalen Ramsey was kind of unique because like Richard, especially early on in his career, he would hit, but he was also a great athlete. So in terms of change of direction and just explosion, he was pretty special. Sauce is going to get in you and attack you at the line of scrimmage. And to me, depending on how they're officiating, that can be kind of risky to invest in a player like this. But the one reason I'm okay with buying into this because I thought, pretty bold move. It's one thing to invest in Garrett Wilson. He's proven he can produce with anyone at quarterback, any idiot calling the plays, and he's just a special talent. Sauce to me is like pretty scheme dependent. Well, their head coach, former corner, former DB coach, former defensive coordinator, so that is his area of expertise. And if he believes in him, because Sauce has been open this offseason, like, they've been hard on me, they've been in me. They think there's more there. Now, part of investing in Sauce, even as Aaron Glenn, who's a DB guy, is like, are you comfortable doing this? There are some variables, a little bit that's out of your control. Like they want to put that yellow flag out of their pocket and throw it on the ground. Nothing you can do. So I think this is. There's risk involved in this. But if you told me this was an offensive head coach who just got this job, like, I don't know if I love it when I see Aaron Glenn, who played in the NFL for a long, long time, who has proven to be not just an excellent DB coach, but an excellent defensive mind. Totally understand it. And like a little bit of a tip in the cap for Joe Douglas. I mean, two guys that he drafted really high. The new administration comes in and immediately gives, you know, if you don't factor in the guaranteed money, well over $200 million to two players. So ultimately that's what you want when you draft really high, right? You want to get a guy that you are comfortable with giving a ton of money for a second contract. And that's what the jets just do did even though their head coach and GM had nothing to do with drafting these guys. Now you could easily counter me and go middlekop, it's fucking Garrett Wilson. Your mom could have drafted him. It was Sauce Gardner who was widely considered a top five lock in most drafts. Like, yeah, I hear you. But still, we see a lot of high draft picks, new coaches, new GMs. Go, yeah, just I want to invest in my own guy. And that wasn't the case. And I always give coaches that come into a situation that's been pretty ugly. And I know these guys have had individual success, but from a team standpoint, it wasn't pretty with the jets and believe in the player because I think it's easy to come in and paint most guys with a negative brush like, this isn't my guy, this isn't my guy. Can we trade this guy and get a lot back? And they didn't do that. You know, they did that with Rogers. But in terms of their young assets, listen, if you would have told me they traded SAS Gardner this offseason for, you know, first round pick and two twos or something, I'd be like, listen, the NFL, new administration, new ideas, maybe not an ideal scheme fit, maybe they think they can do more with other positions, I would understood it. But that that is not the tactic did that Glenn and his GM took. So if you're a Jets fan and you bought those jerseys a couple years ago, because listen, I've seen it before. I've seen Khalil Mack, I've seen Khalil Mack be defensive player of the year Jon Gruden get there and trade him before training him. A lot of Khalil Mack jerseys were sold with Oakland Raider fans, hell, just around the NFL and then boom, he's on the Bears. So you can never say never. The other guy is Trey Smith. And I think one dramatic shift that I've seen in the NFL since I got out of it and have been looking at it from this view is the importance of guards. I would say, you know, center because of the communication, because of their ties with the quarterback. I would say has always been viewed as a very important position outside your tackles. Most obviously offensive line coaches value all five positions, but I'm saying most head coaches, from a big picture view, value their center a lot. I think guards, depending on the coach, depending on the quarterback, have always been viewed very, very differently. You know, if you remember, Sean Payton and the Saints in their heyday really valued that position because Drew Brees was smaller and they wanted to protect the inside because that's how he stepped, stepped into the throw to pass. You know, I've seen Tom Brady and Peyton Manning make Super bowl runs with random undrafted free agents playing that position. When I first got in the NFL in 2010, I mean that's. We're talking by this fall, that'd be 15 years ago. There was a small handful of guys that you went, that guy's a really good pass rusher inside the garden center. So either playing defensive tackle, nose tackle, lining up somewhere, that wasn't considered an outside rusher. They didn't really exist. I would say over the last decade, they are everywhere. There used to be the occasional, like J.J. watt, a guy that could line up multiple positions, but just a true. I'm Aaron Donald. I'm Jalen Carter. I'm Chris Jones, I'm Buckner. I'm just one of these guys who's going to line up over the guard's face, over the shade of the center, and I am fucking coming at that ass. They are everywhere now. So the power of a guard, you have seen their money fly. I mean, the amount of guards right now making 15 plus million dollars is pretty nuts. If I would have told some guys 20, 30 years ago that guard was going to be treated, I would say, as good of, if not better than like linebackers and safeties, people would have been like, you're nuts. But that is simply the case now. When you have a great guard, it's no different than having a great any position. You, you want to keep the player, and that is Trey Smith. But he just got $70 million guaranteed. And more than likely if he's healthy and you know, he doesn't have a major injury, his play is not going to drop off and he is going to play for a while. And let's face it, one thing with the Chiefs right now is their tackle position. Last year was a question mark and really it has been since they had the Mitchell Schwartz, Jake, Eric Fisher, almost a Jake Fisher, Eric Fisher combination, They've been trying to figure out how to fill the left tackle and right tackle positions right Last year or a couple of years ago, they went after Trent Williams as a free agent. They thought they had him and last minute the Niners came in. I mean they have tried. And this year they drafted the Ohio State tackle who I was actually watching when I was watching the Kelsey podcast with Matt Nagy, that's where Jason Kelsey mentioned, who clearly watches the offensive lineman for Howie every year, said, I think this guy's a freak show. Like he is the closest thing I've seen the last couple of years in terms of movement wise to Jason Peters and Trent Williams. Now injury wise, we'll have to see how he responds. But if he is a healthy guy like that has a chance to really fulfill that offensive line. So we know they have an excellent guard, we know they have an excellent center. I think the BYU guy they drafted last year that they put out at tackle, I think ideally they might bump him into guard and it wouldn't shock me at all if the Chiefs offensive line, now this is not a new player for them, but I would imagine they're going to be better this year. And I think he's showing you their investment in the guards in the center position shows you how important it is to shore up the middle of the field because the Eagles are a great example. They get so much credit for investing in their offensive line, offensive line, offensive line. Well, think who they're paying, right? Obviously the two tackles. But they've invested heavily in the center in the guard position and they went from having Jason Kelsey for a long period of time to what they have now. So I think it shows you that being comfortable with your guard and your center, your two guards in your center, but like you can't hesitate because before it was like, oh, we'll let this guy's going to get overpaid, we'll let him walk. Well, if he's a Pro bowl level guy and you have a high priced quarterback, I would keep him around. So the money that's getting doled out right now is pretty crazy. And that is why Scary Terry is going on local radio, is making comments. He's not happy because he's seeing the money get thrown around. He's going, I've been on this team for a long time now. I have not missed a game in almost five years. So not only am I a good player, high character guy, I proved last year that the number one asset in this franchise, the quarterback, we mesh because last year scary Terry had 13 touchdowns. So it's like, if I'm going to give you for the foreseeable future 80 plus catches. And we know I'm going to be good for with this guy, potentially 10 plus touchdowns every year. Like, we just saw what Garrett Wilson got. Now, I understand I'm a little bit older, but this is a position where I can easily thrive into my early 30s. And I'm 29 years old. And this is where I always understand these third contracts with like Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson. We could argue like, is this a good deal? Is a smart deal. With players like that, Derek Stingley, any young player, that is their second contract. That is the easiest contract to give. When you have a Trey Smith, when you have a Pro bowl level guy, when you have a guy who's been an all Pro, it's like this. The third one is where you just, you ask yourself, is this worth it? You know, especially at these premium positions. And that's what wide receiver is. It's not like Terry McLaren just wants, you know, a raise of one year. Like, he's going, see what Garrett Wilson got. Copy paste that and send it my way. And I'll sign it and I'll see. I don't know where their training camp is. Landover. I don't have a great feel for that area, but wherever they practice, I'll see you there. Day one, whenever the vets report. But make sure you send me that contract first. Like, you're just going to give me, like, oh, we'll give you a $30 million born guaranteed. No, no, no, no. I want that contract. That's what I'm worth. You see that? 13 touchdowns last year on a team that went to the NFC championship game. The heartbeat of this team. And that's what Terry and tj While it's complicated for their organization, what you measure in terms of their intangibles is, you know, a huge factor. And I think these teams like these players and agents. I talked about this with Colin. It's the NFL is not the NBA. But players have never had more juice because they go, I see how much money's out there. And it's one thing, it's like, hey, we're talking like a $5 million difference. Once you start talking 50, 80, $100 million in real money, it's like, yeah, I'm never stepping foot on that practice field. This is not batting practice in Scottsdale in early March. This is football. And even in training camp, where this isn't the Junction Boys OR Buddy Ryan versus Bill Parcells in the 80s, it's still like, things happen. People get injured, people lose seasons. So I got a sign on the bottom line. There's just too much on the line. And I know how much these teams are generating now. So it's really become, I swear. And listen, maybe it's just memory loss, but throughout most of my youth, 90s, 2000s, there'd be a player or two that would be like, yeah, I'm not showing up training camp. If you told me there were 10 players here over the next week that are like, I'm not showing up, I think that's more than believable. And not every guy is like some first ballot hall of Famer. So I think this Washington situation, every time that one of these guys gets paid, even if they're different positions, if you're a guy like Terry McLaurin, if you're a guy like TJ Watt, if you're a guy like Trey Hendrickson, it's hard to get in your car. Day one of vets show up with, you know, your pillow and your video games. I'm here, ready to roll. I'm going to end on this. This story kind of made me laugh. I don't know who Bud Elliott is, but I like that name, Bud Elliott. Sometimes I just, I think about names that would be good in movies. I was like, that'd be a good movie name, you know, like Johnny Utah. Bud Elliott, that's just, that's just a good, good name. I was thinking about Tin cup the other day with Costner, and his name was Roy McAvoy. I mean, think how close that is to Rory McElroy and Roy McAvoy. That movie was made in 1996. Pretty sure Rory's like 35 years old, so, I mean, he wouldn't even have been on the radar. But Roy McAvoy, that's a great movie name. But Bud Elliott of CBS believes that Shemar Stewart thinks he can return to school. Shemar Stewart was the 17th overall draft pick by the Cincinnati Bengals. Obviously him and the team are at odds, right? All these second round picks want guaranteed money. He wants a bonus structure that previously like the way like the money set, but he wants to be paid on certain dates. They're pushing back and it's gotten pretty ugly. Like Trey Hendrickson who's like, screw you. He basically said the same thing and left. I didn't know this until my guy Bud Elliott said that he has been training, working out with Texas A and M. And I don't know if he's told people around the program, but there was buzz. He thinks he can go back now. Listen I'm not a Bengal hater. I'm not rooting for the demise of this franchise. But that would be the funniest fucking thing that ever happened. I mean. I mean, it really would. And you go, well, eligibility. He's already. There is nothing more irrelevant right now than the ncaa. Every time you look, they're losing a lawsuit. I don't know why anyone listens to them for anything. I'm always stunned when it's like, yeah, we're suspending our coach to get ahead of the potential NCAA sanctions. I would bend over, spread my cheeks, and say, kiss my ass. So listen, obviously, historically, you can't go to the draft and then just come back and play the season. But in this current climate where the NCAA is. Feels like a couple months away from folding and no one needs them less than, obviously, college football, which is basically their own professional entity at this point and definitely will be in the foreseeable future, who would actually stop him from playing? Like, why would you care what they said? Now, I. Listen, obviously at this point, you get drafted 17th overall, you, like. I'm not saying he, like, should do this, but, like, it's clearly gotten pretty ugly. And at this point in time, like, I don't know why they just throw that out there, but the Bengals have had a guy named Carson Palmer just quit on them. The Trey Hendrickson thing. Like, I understand both sides there. This one, though. This one's got a chance to take the cake. If you told me right now, what am I rooting for, I would love, like, week one, Shemar Stewart runs out with the Aggies, and his nil is whatever the equivalent of what is his first year salary. Like, he's making, like, $7 million, like $5 million. Whatever the 17th pick makes that, that'd be. That'd be a trip. But yeah, man, the dude Bud Elliott thinks that she. Mars Stewart has a backup plan of playing for the Texas a Maggies in 2025. I mean, the SEC, it's just. It's always the SEC, baby. God, I'm fired up. The British Open is here. The biggest names in golf teeing it up across the pond to chase history. The game's original major. Want to make some cash while watching people play golf? You can by betting on the action at Royal port rush with DraftKings Sportsbook. From the opening round through championship Sunday, DraftKings Sportsbook has you covered with live betting, player props, and so much more. If you've never bet on golf before, it's easier than you think. Just pick something simple like a golfer to win the tournament. Rory McIlroy can he win his second major of the year? This is where he grew up. Last time it did not go well. He missed the cut. I do think Rory is going to be a major factor. 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From Dobson to Harry, it seemed like they just couldn't hit on a drafted wide receiver for Brady to consistently throw to. Does it have to do with poor scouting or just unfortunate luck? I'm a firm believer of nobody truly knows anything in the draft, meaning a guy drafted number one overall could be a bust, or a guy drafted in the seventh round could go on to be a Hall of Famer. You never know what could be happen. I think the Patriots have a pretty good history at a lot of positions, right? They're really good on defense. They've drafted a lot of good offensive linemen. They've obviously drafted productive running backs, tight ends. Tom. But I think certain coaches just don't have a feel for certain positions. And clearly, you know, Bill was a dictator, right? So his scouts would work like most scouting departments and they have. Think of all the guys that have come through there, obviously Casario to Jason Light to Adam Peters to, you know, Casseroles. Got a couple guys. I mean, they got a lot of people that worked for New England who went on to have success and he wouldn't listen to him. There were famous stories where he just kind of do his own thing and some positions it wouldn't matter, but others, you know, specifically wide receiver. He got on the phone with Herman Edwards and he fell for Nikhil Harry, who I actually kind of liked in college, but clearly wasn't a very good player. So it to me was a blind spot for Bill, you know, like when you're coming behind a semi and especially if you're, you know, on a windy road, you're like, I'm going to wait a second because if I get in their blind spot and they pull over, I'm screwed up against the medium. And it's pretty clear that Bill had a blind spot for wide receivers. But Bill could really evaluate NFL players. So it's why Bill was really good at, like, Wes Welker, right. Randy Moss. He could find guys that had already had success or even players who were underachieving Kyle Vanoy for Detroit and know how to use them because he can watch them in the pros, know what they're good at, and then place them in his thing. And he can create his own scheme. But wide receiver, unless you're drafting one overall or Julio Jones, those types, it's a lot of projection. And the other thing, if I'm defending Bill a little bit. Gronk has talked about this. Hard to work with Tom. Basically once you got to the Patriots in the peak of their powers, it was like taking some kid from Texas and having him go to China and no one speaks English. It's like, good luck learning Chinese, buddy. And they're not changing for you. So you'd get there. It was just a complex offense. Tom had insane high standards. I remember hearing Gronk tell a story one time like, Tom, you got to lighten up a little bit. You got to be easier with these young guys. But at a certain point in time in his career, he was not going to change. So I think it was a twofold. Right. Bill was weak at that position and Tom was really, really difficult on young guys. Once he hit, I would say the post, you know, 2010, Randy Moss kind of era, 2011, you know, Edelman was kind of an outlier. And you know, Edelman think, think about their best wide receiver hit of the last 15 years was a seventh round quarterback who changed positions. You know, so I, I just think it's. Yeah, it's, it's kind of weird, but it's not really arguable. Can you please explain this for those who don't understand the waiver wire? What is it? Why is it, why is it used as an alternative to trading or releasing a player? What are the implications for a team that claims a player off waivers? What are the implications to the team that places a player on waivers? I've never really understood it and really interested to hear your perspective. I'm not as dialed in sitting here right now as I would have been a decade ago to every. To specific details. But I'll try to give you a cliff note version. If I just draft a guy in the sixth round. John Middlekop. Draft John Middelkoff out of Cal Poly Right guard training camp ends I cut John Middlekoff. He is subject to waivers. So when he goes to the waiver wire, I have, I have released John Middlekoff. He's. He is cut from my team because I, unless you're a vested veteran and I'm not exactly sure that number, I don't want to screw it up. I think it's like six years or certain amount of accumulated seasons, you can avoid it. It's why like this guy was a free agent. But let's just say I cut Keenan Allen, right? If I cut Keenan Allen or I cut George Kittle or got. They're not Trent Williams, they're not Travis Kelsey, not subject to waivers. But if I cut my six round pick, he's subject to waivers. Well, at the start of, for the first four weeks of the season and whatever that cut date is, let's just say it's August 25th. It goes in the order of the draft. So who just picked one overall? Why am I not dialed in? Who just picked one overall? Who just went one overall? Who was the number one overall pick? Oh, the Titans. So the Titans, if they liked middle cuff, they could just claim him and then they take the contract. Where it gets a little more complicated is why you saw like Justin Fields and Trey Lance and guys and Mac Jones, those guys cut because, or excuse me, trade like why I traded for them because when I trade for a player that's a former first round pick and still on that contract, if he's making $5 million and I go, he's a $2 million player, maybe the team will go, well if you pay three, we'll pay two. And you're not on the waiver wire till the 20th team you trade for him. So it's why a lot of times that Adam Schefter rap sheet reports during training camp, so and so team is going to cut this player because if you're like the Ravens or the Lions or the Eagles or a team that likes that guy, you know that he's never going to make it to you on the waiver wire. So you negotiate a trade with that guy. That, that happens a lot. So the waiver wire, if you claim a guy in the waiver wire, you take on his entire contract. Typically it's, you know, younger players, you know, there's not huge contracts. Right. But I don't know the exact date. Again, I'd have to kind of dive into the rules. But it's pretty simple. When you cut a player, if they're subject to waivers, that gives all the other teams in the league the opportunity to claim them. And it's just based on first four weeks, the previous draft order and I think starting week five, maybe it's week six now based on the current, you know, records in the league. But if you cut, you know, older veteran players, a lot of times they just become immediate street free agents and any team can sign them. The waiver wires are really big deal. When you work in the league, that thing comes out and on a daily basis, you know, whatever, couple days into training camp. I mean, you are basically from the start of training camp through the season. That is a very, very serious document. And during training camp, the document's a lot longer. You know, random weeks. A lot of guys can get cut, you know, especially as guys are placed on injured reserve, you have to manipulate it a little bit. So you put a guy on injured reserve to open up a spot because you don't want to cut them because then you can lose them. It's a big part of training camp knowing if we cut this player, try to get him to practice squad. Basically what I was taught. If you're willing to cut the player, you have to be okay with never seeing him again. Because if he's subject to waivers and he goes on the waiver, any team in the league can claim, and if he's claimed, obviously he's gone. Question for the pod with the new Chargers alternate all gold uniforms coming out, it reminded me how much I love the Chargers uniform. What are some of your favorite team jersey color schemes? I'm pretty simple, man. It's why I'm a big fan of like some of the old school college uniforms. Like USC feels like they got two uniforms. Alabama has a couple uniforms. Penn State just has a couple uniforms. Not that I'm against Oregon, but like I like the mid-90s 49ers uniforms. I like the old school Pittsburgh Steelers or just the simplicity of the New York Giants. I'm pretty simple. Like, I'm not. Maybe it makes me sound really old. I just. I don't really care though. I did see the picture of the Chargers uniform and it looked pretty cool. Not gonna lie, I thought it looked cool, but I. I don't spend that much time, if any, thinking about uniforms. I really don't. Maybe it's because I've never really been a Jersey guy. I had a couple basketball jerseys as a kid, like Michael Jordan. I had Chris Weber when he's on the Kings. But I've never really been a Jersey guy, so maybe I just. I just don't think about it. I know some people are. I'm not against it, but it's just not really my thing. Question for you. I hear so much about how Dan Campbell is now chop liver and in trouble in the NFC north this year since the Lions lost both coordinators, mainly Ben Johnson. It is on record from Sean Payton and others that Dan is an actual offensive genius and has a great feel for football schematics. But he's always looked at only as a CEO coach. I think he's A great offensive mind, CEO of the operation and brings the best toughness versus any other head coach. I think the Lions at least win the NFC north and make another run. Your thoughts? I think why he doesn't get credit for being a quote unquote offensive genius or a schematic genius. He doesn't call place. So when you call plays you get an X. You get like extra credit. You get talked about in a different light. Defensive too, right. Even when the guy's a CEO, it still feels like feels like Andy Reid and Belichick are calling these plays. Right. Or it feels like you know, Belichick is really telling Patricia what to do. And then like Patricia and Flores or Nagy and B Enemy or whoever's calling the plays, if they are calling the plays, always give that guy a ton of credit. Well, it starts with the head coach. He's setting the scheme. You know, it doesn't feel like especially you know, Dan Campbell's a tight end offensive guy. Well, Ben Johnson ran the offense, so listen, I'm not saying he's not. I think Dan Campbell clearly is way smarter than he was originally discussed when he kind of got the job and his career kind of took off with the Lions. But you just hard to call an offensive genius when you don't call the plays. As a big Eagles fan, I'm obviously a little bit biased on the Jalen Hurts rankings, but I feel that Eagles fans biggest problem with it is does what does Hertz have to do to earn more respect as a top five quarterback out of some of the quarterbacks ranked ahead of him? He is only quarterback to have a have an all pro which Burrow, Daniels, Goff and Herbert don't have. Only quarterback to have an all pro super bowl appearance, super bowl win and super bowl mvp. I feel like that is unfair to say for Mahomes that winning Super Bowls is a quarterback stat. But for Hertz he's just on a loaded team. Since we don't all quarterbacks. Since when don't all quarterbacks who win a Super bowl have good teams? Not saying you said this directly, but I always hear it in the media. You said that Jalen Hurts has an All Pro. Does he? He was an all pro. One of the. One of his. I guess it would have been three years ago. Maybe it was. I mean let me just double check. Second team all pro 2022. Let's look at that season really quick. So in 2022 he threw 22 touchdowns and he ran one thing Jalen does. He gives you a lot on the ground, because the tush push. 10, 13, 15, 14. He has 55 career touchdowns on the ground. Here's what we got to be honest about Jalen Washington. They blitzed him. He killed him. But in that super bowl, he's played in two Super Bowls and he's been fucking lights out. So if any human being in life, regardless how they got there in the biggest moment of their life, excels, I give you credit. And it goes back, Listen, like, I'm not. When Jalen plays bad, I don't think he's like too bright a lights. I mean, the dude played for Saban, transferred Oklahoma, Wally Pipped, Carson Wentz with the Deuces. Like, Jalen ain't scared of shit. But when he plays bad, to me, it's like he just kind of plays bad, you know, and he's kind of a flawed quarterback in the sense of he's more like a modern day powerful Russell Wilson, right? He can he scramble. He throws a great deep ball and he throws well on the run, but just from inside the pocket, you guys were crushing him. He was getting crushed in the middle of the season last year because the passing game sucked. That literally happened. So it's like, should he be in the top five? Top five over who? Like, he doesn't play like those guys. And like you said, listen, Mahomes, you say it's a quarterback stat. Mahomes has proven when he has sweet players in a good offensive line, he can throw 40, 50 touchdowns. Like, we know that over the last couple years. That's just not really how they play. But he's done it before, you know. You said Jalen, second team, all pro 2022. Yeah, he was really good that season, especially down the stretch. Second half of the season, he threw 22 touchdowns. I had another person DM me that said, the reason we get so animated about this is because all these other guys and it's like, well, if Jalen throws like 35 touchdowns, even if they lost in the first round, okay, but that's not really. I mean, last year he threw 20. And everyone's like, see, he's like, fucking put Joe Burrow. It's like, no Joe Burrow, Baker. These guys are throwing 40. Now, I understand you guys had some injuries, but still you've got AJ Brown, Devontae Smith and an incredible offensive line and Saquon Barkley. Like, I do think it's fair to go. In the biggest moments, he's been lights out. But in some of these regular season games, when that's where you really become like, God, I'm just a dominant player. It's like, yeah, he's kind of. He can be hit or miss. He's just a polarizing player. He just is. I don't think that's necessarily going to change unless he has an unreal statistical year. Passing, he's a great deep ball thrower. He's a great powerful runner. He's an instinctive player. He's clearly just a good player. But like, he's not a top five quarterback in the NFL.
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In college, Baker was a legitimate stud and now he's proven it again. Like, Baker's really good. I don't know, man. He's a fascinating guy. I remember watching him at USC when he was really young. You love the physical characteristics. You know, last year I just. Hard for me to forget that Florida game. I think he's going to a pretty chaotic place. I mean, they haven't been winning, the coaches coaching for his job. It feels like the GM's jam and first job. It's a pretty chaotic environment. You know he did when he transferred from USC to Ole Miss. Like he went to a pretty stable place, you know, I mean, Lane Kiffin has established himself as one of the better coaches in college football. Played with a ton of good players. I mean they had a down year last year when they go nine and three. So it's like he just played on really, really good teams. And that is not the case now. He's not even starting. He's going to be in a meeting room with Russell Wilson, who I saw had a headline today said he's going to play five more years. I don't know about that, but yeah, I think best case scenario is they're just solid this year and he doesn't have to play and then they start him next year. Almost gets a redshirt year, but I doubt that's the way it plays out. Question for the pod big Rams fan and would love to hear your thoughts on my prediction for the Rams quarterback situation going forward. I think the Rams will pull another blockbuster Stafford like trade and end up with Joe Burrow in the next two or three years. It's a perfect fit for everyone involved. Rams have an extra first round pick from Atlanta. They could flip into more future first rounders and trade with the Bengals. If the Bengals don't make the super bowl in two years, the Bengals organization will get tired of paying everyone, which will make Burrow want to leave. Joe seems like an LA kind of guy and I know he would love to upgrade to Sean McVay and McVay Light. Also, the NFL would love one of the top four NFL quarterbacks in the NFC. Burrow vs. Mahomes Super bowl would feed families. You know, the picture going viral over the last couple days of Sean McVay year one and Sean McVay year nine. He looks better now. And most you show it to any girl, they're like Botox. I'm like, that's. That's what Botox does. I like, I've never been one to stick a needle in my face, but he looks fantastic. You're telling me that Botox will do that? I don't want my face to freeze. I just want it to look like Sean McVay. He looks good. I mean, he literally looks the same at 38, 39 as he did 30 years old. And then they show Kyle Shanahan who looked young and vibrant in 2017. I mean, he looks like a guy that drinks four cocktails and two packs of cigarettes a day for the last decade right now. I mean, he looks, he looks Like a weathered sob. But yeah, I mean, I think that Sean, I think the Rams, if Joe Burrow ever became available, and listen, you'd be like, middle cough. Stop saying that about our star player, Bengals fan. It's like, well, we've seen that before. Carson Palmer. Things can get weird. If it ever does get weird, I would imagine the Rams, just like a lot of teams would be heavily involved. He would be a highly, highly sought after player. The amount of money, let's just say like next year, I guess, not money. Draft picks that would be on the table for Joe Burrow would be. I mean, it'd be, it's. It'd be like an NFL record, you know, it'd be like, wait, they just offered what, four ones? Four twos and five fives. How much amount of time do you think you or a team would trade if you knew you would win the championship? For example, the Rams trading all their picks for the 2021 championship. I think it's dependent on how successful you are. But I can't imagine the Bills or the cowboys wouldn't trade 10 years of guaranteed no championships just for one. I think the thing that always stops people, you know, a decent organization from doing crazy shit is they go, what if we don't make the playoffs? What if our quarterback breaks his ankle and we go 6 and 11 and we've just traded two first round picks for TJ Watt. Right. I think that mindset typically stops people from doing things because for most players in the NFL, I would say 95% of them, they would be available for the right price. But it's so easy to say because in football there's so many variables. Injuries play such a big part that people hesitate. And I think if you could guarantee a team a championship, like, what would Jerry Jones would trade his next four drafts to win the super bowl this year without hesitation. Jerry would be the best culprit. I think certain people would be like, no, we'll just play it out, right? I think the Ravens would be like, we'll play it out. I think Kyle Shanahan would trade you whatever you wanted for Super Bowl. What? I think the two guys that would trade the most would be Jerry Jones and Kyle Shanahan. You're guaranteeing me a Super bowl this year? Do you want fucking Jed York's kids? Why do you think the Texans signed their second round pick to a fully guaranteed contract so quickly? He set a new precedent and put all the other GMs in a bind on signing their second round picks. Looks like Schneider of Seattle is holding firm. But I gotta think there are a bunch of GMs out there pissed at Casario right now. You know what's funny is like this was a story that I didn't even know existed until it became a really big story of all these guys holding out. And clearly it's going to hit like the rubber is going to meet the road. They're at a fork in the road over the next, I would say week are all these second round picks not going to show up when the rookies report? And I would say that I think there's a decent chance a lot of them are not going to show up. So the second round picks are going to approach it like first round picks used to like you either guaranteed. My I don't know. I honestly, I haven't even asked anybody why he would do that. I'm sure I think the I think the Browns did one guy and obviously the Texans did one guy. Maybe he was getting ahead of it. A lot of people aren't happy. Okay, last question. I heard you say on the last pod if you put Burrow on the Ravens, they would have beat the Chiefs in the AFC Championship. But I also say that if you put Lamar on the Bengals with Jamar and Higgins, that he's not missed the playoffs two years in a row either. I can understand the Lamar vs. Josh debate, but burrow ahead of Lamar on the ESPN rankings at this point is laughable. Well, I'm pretty sure that Joe Burrow last year threw nine touchdowns against the Baltimore Ravens. Let me see if how game log so I remember watching the game where they lost 35 to 34 the Bengals Joe Burrow threw four touchdowns. He was sacked three times for 430 yards. He played him again and he threw five touchdowns. So in two games against the Ravens he threw nine touchdowns and they lost both games. What's Lamar going to account for 10 touchdowns? Like you just can't play any better. I think Joe Burrow was as good as any player in the league last year. His defense for the 80% of the season was atrocious. So like what's Lamar now? Lamar runs. But I don't think based on last year you could argue that. Like if you wanted to argue Joe Burrow was a better player than Lamar, I think that's a fair argument. So lamar Mark threw 41 touchdowns last year. He had a pretty good season. I didn't realize there's so many touchdowns. It's pretty crazy that Lamar won the MVP in 2023. Just doesn't even feel right. Is that what he did with 24 touchdowns and seven interceptions? I feel like he was way better last year. That's pretty nuts. How did I not realize he threw that many touchdowns? Yeah, shit. My bad. Lamar, 41 touchdowns, he's way better. Yeah, listen, I, I defend Lamar, but I undersold him on that one. But Joe Burrow one thing that's that Lamar has not had to deal with that Joe has is Joe's defense last year was atrocious. I mean it really was. I mean Lamar, the Ravens have good defenses. Even last year they started slow. By the end of the season they were really good. So like I told Coward, you could make any argument, I'm putting my homes one. You can put them in any order personally for me, hell, I might take Lamar Overborough, you know, I. But I'm definitely taking Josh second. And to me I'm not. I'm doing that without hesitation. I'm going Mahomes one, Josh second. I might just take Lamar because Joe's had a couple of major injuries. But regardless, like I, I'm not going to argue with you, whoever you're going to take, but I'm putting Josh too. And that to me is all that matter. Otherwise, like, you know, the one thing Burrow has over both those guys, like I figured out a way to beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead. You guys ever going to do that? So I think that's kind of a trump card. Now you could argue that's like a NBA rings analogy, but still, I mean it's that happened and the shit the Bengals were leading that playoffs or I mean that super bowl late in the game. So yeah, I just think we spend so much time arguing over these things. It's like in football, not everything is the same. Right. The team Jalen hurts plays on is a lot different than the team the Arizona Cardinals, the Houston. There's so many variables. How good your defense is, who's your play caller and I mean the one thing Lamar has going for him, no different. Patrick Mahomes is like best organization in the league. The Bills I think have established a really good organization. I would not put them ahead of the Ravens or the Chiefs. I mean the bar is set in the afc. It's Andy Reid and John Harbaugh in terms of like the best run consistent organizations, offense, defense, just drafting, just overall operation. I think the Bills are damn close. We'll see how like if they can sustain it over a decade long period. But the Bengals are not. So he is not those organizations are so much. Just better run. More money, just a higher level operation. And that's where I think people try to like you. Got to bring context into it, you know.
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