4th & South - Ndamukong Suh on Lions, Buccaneers Super Bowl, NFL legacy & life after football

Summary

---

4th & South - Ndamukong Suh on Lions, Buccaneers Super Bowl, NFL Legacy & Life After Football

Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Date: April 6, 2026
Guests: Ndamukong Suh (NFL Veteran), Leonard Fournette, Jarvis Landry
Format: Roundtable with storytelling, Q&A, and life/business advice

---

Episode Overview

This episode features a candid and wide-ranging conversation with Ndamukong Suh, spotlighting his storied football career (from Nebraska to dominant NFL stints), his championship run with the Buccaneers, and his transition into business and mentorship after football. Alongside hosts and former teammates Leonard Fournette and Jarvis Landry, Suh dives deep into player-coach dynamics, NFL realities, team chemistry, legacy, and financial wisdom for athletes.

---

Main Themes

• The hidden challenges, politics, and transitions of an NFL career
• The critical influence of coaching on player development and team culture
• Championship memories and locker room dynamics
• Taking care of your body and building a life after football
• Business, investments, and money traps for pro athletes

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Suh’s Beginnings and College Glory

• Reflecting on Nebraska Dominance: Suh recounts his standout college career and how teammate support propelled him to elite status:
  • “09 was a fun year... one of the best defenses... I definitely didn’t do it by myself.” – Suh (03:41)
• Getting a College Jersey Retired: Suh jokes about not having full control yet over Nebraska’s #93 jersey, but aspires to make it exclusive to his legacy.
  (02:55–03:07)

2. NFL Transitions: From College Star to Pro Expectations

• Draft Status & Early Lessons: Fournette and Landry reflect on high expectations for top picks and the unseen struggles behind the scenes.

• Humanizing Success: Fournette thanks Suh for his mentorship during tough times in Tampa.

  • “The thing that goes unnoticed is you as a teammate, as a father, as a brother, as a son.” – Leonard Fournette (05:01)

• Tough Coaching Experiences: Suh and Landry detail their struggles with certain egotistical coaches in Miami.

  • “I remember juicing us being in Miami, man, just dealing with the brain damage of a head coach that just thinks he controls the world.” – Suh (05:48)

3. The Power—and Pitfalls—of Coaching

• Good vs. Bad Coaches: Suh emphasizes the vital role coaches play in a player’s growth.

  • “You got to be somebody who has the ability to touch every single person... you have to touch and feel every single person in that building and also enable them to have ownership.” – Suh (12:33)

• Contrasts in Head Coaches: From defensive-minded leaders investing in players to offensive minds neglecting defensive stars, the crew explores how coaching impacts team performance and culture (07:28–09:54).

• Emotional Intelligence and Leadership: Suh reflects on being seen as a "threat" because of his relationships with team owners and interest in the business side of the franchise.

  • “This person saw me as a threat because I was able to speak... move around the organization and have these different relationships.” – Suh (13:49)

4. Team Chemistry, Locker Room Life, and Championship Runs

• Favorite Locker Room Memories: Stories of lively interactions and keeping team spirit alive, especially among veteran stars and energetic young players. (15:16–16:15)

• Locker Room Vulnerability: Fournette shares how Suh helped him adjust to a lesser role, teaching lessons on character and seizing opportunities.

  • "You can't be around this bitch pouting. You can't show them that." – Suh, advice in the sauna (17:25)

• Transitioning Roles: Discussion on the difficulty of going from being “the guy” to having a more specialized or backup role later in a career (19:43–24:18).

  • “I'd much rather be 40, 45 snaps at 99% versus 60 snaps at 70, 80.” – Suh, on veteran snap management (25:21)

5. The Buccaneers’ Super Bowl Run

• The Players-Only Meeting: The crucial, transformative leadership meeting that set Tampa Bay’s course to the championship.
  • “Put all your pride aside... all what we want to do is put a banner right behind everybody else where we're sitting.” – Suh (30:18)
• Culture Change: The importance of unselfishness and focus, with leaders holding each other accountable, including candid, sometimes tough conversations (31:43–33:45).
• On the Field with Brady: Suh details Tom Brady’s communication with the defense and mutual respect.
  • “He leaned on saying, hey, man, we're going to... keep y'all fresh, but I need at least a couple turnovers here…” (35:11)
• Practice Fights and Competition: Tales of intense but controlled Bucs practices that forged a championship culture:
  • “We would take it right up to that edge right before crossing the line. But it was still good because it kept us all sharp.” – Suh (37:11)

6. Career Decisions, Identity, and Post-NFL Vision

• Leaving Detroit: Suh wanted to remain a Lion but moved to Miami when Detroit didn’t match his offer. He talks candidly about business realities eclipsing personal loyalty.

  • “My goal was to stay in Detroit a thousand percent.” – Suh (38:37)

• Battling Misconceptions: Suh clears the air about his “dirty player” reputation and the infamous on-field incident in Detroit.

  • “Let’s keep it 100. I seen him... If you don’t deal with him, I’m gonna deal with him. And I end up having to deal with him.” (41:10)

• Innovating Body Care: Suh explains why (from a lockout year) he began building his own training and therapy team, a model others now imitate in pro sports.

  • “I wanted that individual attention... I wanted a specific structure that was built solely for me.” (45:24)

7. Player Empowerment & Fairness

• Progressive Coaching: Praise for Bruce Arians’ understanding of treating players as humans, not just athletes.

  • “He treated everyone fairly, but not equally, and that was something super helpful,” – Suh (54:01)

• Work/Life Balance: Arians would grant trusted players the freedom to sleep at home, which extended their careers and enriched their lives (50:35–51:01).

• Business & Future Planning: Suh is celebrated for sharing his business knowledge and encouraging other athletes to plan beyond their playing days.

---

Trap or Treasure: Athlete Investment Wisdom (55:28–61:12)

Suh fields a rapid-fire round of “Trap or Treasure” about common financial opportunities and pitfalls for athletes:

• Restaurant investment: Trap, unless your partner is a chef and there’s solid business support. (56:11)
• Nightclub/lounges: Trap—“very finicky, nothing good after midnight.” (56:43–56:58)
• Exotic cars as investments: 100% trap—always depreciating. (57:06)
• Giving family money with no structure: Trap—just call it a gift and expect nothing back. (57:16)
• Commercial property: Treasure, especially if it cash flows. (57:47)
• NFTs: Potential treasure, “depends on how it’s evolved.” (58:21)
• Hiring friends over experts: Treasure, if skilled, with clear expectations. (58:50)
• Equity over cash deals: Usually treasure, but context matters.
  • “I’m always going to choose equity over cash, because cash is a finite piece... equity is hard to get.” (59:35–60:25)
• Saying no: Treasure—protect your financial well-being. (60:37–61:02)
• Dinner with Suh vs. $1 million: Suh quips he’d take the money, but says a mentorship dinner can be a treasure for those who are ready to use what they learn. (61:12–62:48)

Notable Quote:

“Just because you get the dinner... are you prepared to have the types of questions or are you just enamored with being able to sit with Warren Buffett... There’s a big difference. Are you going to absorb what they’re talking about or are you just going to be enamored with being in the same room?” – Suh (64:36)

---

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On leadership: “You got to be someone who touches every single person in the room...” – Suh (12:33)
• On managing ego and transition: “We’re so used to always being at the pinnacle of everything… you just had to wait for your opportunity.” – Suh (17:25)
• On unselfishness and championship focus: “This ain’t about you... all we want to do is put a banner right behind everybody else...” – Suh (30:18)
• On business & legacy: “Why keep it to myself?... Once we realize at a big scale the power we have in numbers... we will move a lot of things in this world…” – Suh (52:42)
• On the value of readiness: “Just because you get the dinner … you got to be ready for it... There’s a big difference.” – Suh (64:36)

---

Timestamps for Important Segments

• College/Nebraska reflections: 02:06–04:10
• NFL journey & adversity: 05:25–07:40
• Coaches & leadership: 07:28–14:56
• Locker room culture: 15:16–16:15
• Accepting new roles: 24:18–27:16
• Buccaneers Super Bowl run: 29:32–37:11
• Leaving Detroit: 38:16–41:43
• On body care/biohacking: 43:02–48:02
• Coaching for the man, not just the player: 50:27–54:34
• Investment advice—Trap or Treasure: 55:28–62:48

---

Tone, Style, and Audience Takeaways

The show is energetic, honest, and brotherly, mixing hard-truth NFL reality with mutual respect and humor. It offers a behind-the-scenes look at pro sports, strips away the “glamour” to show the daily grind, and provides actionable wisdom for current players and fans alike.

Whether you’re curious about Suh’s legacy, locker-room bonds, or athlete financial literacy, this episode is rich with lessons and stories from the trenches—and beyond.

---

Transcript

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.

[Grainger Announcer]

If you work in university maintenance, Grainger considers you an MVP because your playbook ensures your arena is always ready for tip off. And Grainger is your trusted partner, offering the products you need all in one place, from H Vac and plumbing supplies to lighting and more. And all delivered with plenty of time left on the clock so your team always gets the win. Call 1-800-GRAINGER visit grainger.com or just stop by Grainger for the ones who get it done.

[Lily Herman]

Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid, the story of the sport's most consequential driver strike, and plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Then she says, have you seen a photo of my son? And I'm like, who is this person?

[Boys and Girls Podcast Host]

Welcome to the Boys and Girls Podcast. Arranged marriage is basically a reality show and you're auditioning for your soulmate. And who's judging? Only your entire family. I sacrificed myself to this ancient tradition, hoping to find love the right way, and instead I found chaos, comedy, and a lot of cringe. Listen to boys and Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I'm Daniel Alarcon and this is my friend. He's much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far, but I'm John Green, co host of the podcast the Away End with my old friend Daniel. On our podcast the Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. Together, we'll find out why. Of all the unimportant things football, soccer is important. Listen to the Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Leonard Fournette]

Big sue, Even though I'm younger than you, right, I've watched you over the years, you know, even in college, bro. Like these accolades you got from College to the NFL, right?

[Jarvis Landry]

Crazy.

[Leonard Fournette]

AP College Player of the Year in 2009.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yep. I was blessed to have some good, some good teammates to help me get there.

[Leonard Fournette]

Geez, Big 12. Defense Player of the year. Wait, this to me. This is the best one, right? This is something you could tell your kids. Number 93 in Nebraska is retired.

[Jarvis Landry]

Never to be worn again.

[Leonard Fournette]

Nobody would never touch that shit.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Nah, they can still wear it, but eventually I'll get there to where they. Where nobody can wear it or they gotta ask permission, but somebody can still wear it to this day.

[Jarvis Landry]

So you ain't got no permission.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Almost.

[Jarvis Landry]

They ain't got that.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I haven't gotten it yet, so we don't have to work on that. Maybe I've now made it to the College Football hall of Fame. I can. I can demand that nobody can wear my jersey number without my permission. But we'll see.

[Jarvis Landry]

Respectfully. Respectfully. Listen, if you need more guests for the. Sign a petition, we sign a petition, bro.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'll sign that motherfucker right now. I'm gonna sign it right now. So we got the bro, the Chuck Award, the Lombardi Award, the Outlander, bro, you. You have won every defensive award they have in college.

[Jarvis Landry]

Crazy, bro.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

09 was a fun year, man. We had a lot of fun in Nebraska. I think we was considered one of the best defenses play in college football. So I definitely didn't do it by myself. I don't know if y' all know Jared Crick, Barry Turner, all them guys. Yeah, they supported me in. In getting and being elite defense. Even Prince of Mukamer, as you guys know. Yes, sir, his loud. His loudmouth self, he was out there knocking down passes.

[Leonard Fournette]

Is it safe to call you Mr. Everything? I'm.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

No, nah, nah, nah. I miss everything, man.

[Jarvis Landry]

I love it.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I'm not playoffs. I don't get a playoff Lenny status just yet.

[Leonard Fournette]

Listen, listen. Playoff Lenny, let's not competitive this right here, man. Second overall pick, right? I don't think Jarvis on the, you know, he don't know about the top five shit. So you know, I was number four.

[Jarvis Landry]

Hey, that's crazy.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'm. I understand.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I see Lenny won't smoke, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

Listen, I'm taking smoke.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Lately I've been watching the show. You.

[Jarvis Landry]

He giving me jabs all the time. He jabbing me all the time.

[Leonard Fournette]

And for me, one of the greatest things, right? The 2000 All Decade team.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, Crazy.

[Leonard Fournette]

That's a big ass accomplishment. And you know what I'm saying, from being your teammate, bro, I'm proud to have known you for three years we've been together, man, and it's great, man. I mean, we could talk about all this shit, but the thing that go unnoticed is you As a, as a teammate, as a father, as a brother, as a son. That's the most important thing, man. And for me, always, I appreciate the talks we had in Tampa when I was going through my little trials, trying to figure out whether I was going

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

to play or not.

[Leonard Fournette]

So I thank you for that, man.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Nah, no problem. It ain't easy, the game. I think a lot of people don't understand the game of football. They think everything comes easy to us, especially if we're top draft picks and have won and been successful in college. But they don't realize that there's everyday things that we got to deal with, whether it's at home, in the facility, whatever it may be. Because, man, I remember juicing us being in Miami, man, just dealing with the brain damage of a head coach that just thinks he controls the world. I'm a kick you. I'm a kick you out. I'm going to do this. I control you. You can't do nothing if you do exactly what you better do exactly what I say. And if not, I'm going to put you underneath the J. Like, man, remember, I'm a grown man, just like you're a grown man. I might be younger than you, I might still be learning here, but I need some sign of respect, no different than vice versa. I'm going to give you the respect that's due to you as, as being supposedly a leader of this organization. Even though I would know, I would never consider that human being being a leader by any means, especially of men, let alone women or kids. Right. So. But ultimately, I think that's one thing fans never understand is like the trials and tribulations that we have. Yes, we're highly paid, we're deserving of. We earned all those different things, but it's a grind to deal with that stuff on a day to day basis.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. You mentioned coaches, right? You mentioned coaches and the effect that they have on our development. The effect that they have on a building. Right, the effect that they have on a team, you know, like, can you. I know throughout your years, you know, you, you mentioned Jim Washburn a lot, right. You mentioned Bo Pelini a lot, Right. Can you mention, can you talk about how coaches, you know, in one. Right. Have the most influence over us in that aspect as college kids coming out of high school. Right. And then when you get to the league, you know, you, you had Jim Washburn, you know, who's a past strategist, you know, and you talk about him a lot. And can you talk about that process and mentality that you develop through good coaching and mentorship.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah, man, it's a great question. Just for the simple fact that you're in college and people don't realize that you're starting to get molded of what your understanding of how football works, what type of. I always say I'm blue collar football because I went to Nebraska and all we knew was hard nose run, hit you in your face and get up and go from there. And for me, if I wasn't lucky enough to have conversations with not only guys like John Blake, who recruited me because he was at Mississippi State with my older sister and he took a liking to me and said, hey, I want you to come to University of Nebraska. I'm going to do everything in my power to give you as many opportunities as possible versus a coaching change happens with Bo Pelini and he could be like, man, I don't like you. Like, he's coming for lsu, winning a championship, right? Like, I don't like you. Get out of here, go wherever you want to. My career, my life trajectory could be completely different versus what he said to me was, oh, I think you're better than some of these other detoxes that I've seen that are going to be top three four picks in this coming up year's draft from 08 and I believe in you. So we're going to now build in and around you as, as, as a cornerstone of our defense. Then you translate that into to the pro level and you say, all right, you got Jim Schwartz that comes in as a head coach and he's like, I want to build my team around the defensive line. So I'm going to get Kyle Van Den Bosch, I'm going to get Corey Williams, I got Cliff April and I'm going to, I got the first round pick. Yeah, you gonna draft me? Nick Fairly, Ziggy Ansa, Like, I'm going to build around you. Now they're vested in you. They not only put money behind you, they're personally invested in you. So now they're going to do everything in their power so they look good, AKA so you play good. So now you transition that and like we had to deal with in Miami, you got a coach who's offensive minded. All he cares about is these different things. You would think, Man Juice is an amazing player. Been carrying this team through so many years of losses and the only bright spot, why would I not invest in him? Like, why would I not put things and do things to support that guy? So it's not even. Not only from the standpoint of being healthy and being lucky to be able to work hard. But it's also having people that are believing in you, that support you and put you in positions to be successful. Because a coach can make a flip of a decision. I don't like you anymore. You don't get to play.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah. And you.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

What do you supposed to do?

[Jarvis Landry]

You know what's funny? You told me something during my contract time that I still remember to this day. You know, and you say, juice, there's a game within the game. Right. And, and, and I never really understood that, and I mentioned this on, on one of our previous shows, that I never understood that until I played in some organizations that, you know, didn't have it all figured out. Right. And didn't know how to really, I guess, mature with the player inside of the organization and this and that and so forth. Right. So it took me, it took me until like year seven, eight to understand, like, what you meant. Right. With. Through the coaching staff, through the politics, you know, through the owners and things like this. Right. Everything we went through in Miami, I think it was very, very led by an egotistical type of person. Right. Like. Like, I think that, you know, with guys like yourself coming in, guys like myself, Right. And I would say I had a little bit more personality than you. Right. But at the. For as far as like, speaking and like being, you know, dancing whatever it is.

[Hard Rock Bet Announcer]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

But at the same time, like, at that time, you were kind of controversial. Controversial as a player.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Right.

[Jarvis Landry]

You know what I'm saying? So do you think that he was just trying to control you so that you didn't kind of like, you know, you know, that didn't spill over into the team? And do you feel like coaches out there where we see some of the best coaches in the game, like Mike Tomlinson, Andy Reid, John Halbrow, where they let the guys just go and be themselves and the team. The guys in a locker room lead the team, not the not. And you know what I'm saying? Like, can you talk about that a little bit more?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

If I'm going to try and analyze it and put my hat on as a therapist or somebody who was in that, in that particular space, I would say the head coach that we shared in Miami our last two years, which we've been in 16 and 17, because 2015 was, was. Was basically it wasn't a year, it was a trial. Yeah. We knew our head coach was getting fired probably midway through that season. I think it was after four games. Long story short, I think there was a lot of immaturity in being a first time head coach, but also not understanding how to different deal with so many different personalities. And the one thing that I learned from Jim Caldwell was that as a head coach, yes, you have to be good at X's and O's but really you want to be able to. You have to be somebody who has the ability to touch every single person in the room and have the dynamics to be able to deal with every different type of personality. So you need a really strong oc, a really strong DC and a really good special teams coach who are going to implement your plan as you as a head coach, you have to touch and feel every single person in that building and also enable them to have ownership in their positions and have clear understandings of what their expectations are of them. And then when a problem comes up, you're the first one that's going to be dealing with it. You're not really dealing with X's and O's. And I think that's where this head coach didn't understand what it was like to be one in that type of sphere. There were so tunnel vision of saying, hey, all I worry about is offense and scoring points. Not knowing. I have, I have to have the psychology background to be a relationship.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

And build relationships. Even if I don't like them. I got to be able to let them see that. I can hear you, I respect you, but this is my decision and we're going to move forward from that. So I think there's a lot of those different pieces and I think personally I was very abrasive and direct and I didn't have the emotional intelligence to be able to understand this person saw me as a threat.

[Jarvis Landry]

Right.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Because I was able to speak with Steven Ross because I was able to speak with Tom Garfinkel because I was be able to move around the organization and have these different relationships because again, they just invested 100 million plus dollars in me.

[Jarvis Landry]

Right.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Why would they not want to have relationship with me? Why would they not want to have relationship with me and be able to go back and forth. Plus I told them one of the main things I want to be able to have is learn from you guys on the business side. So I don't want to just talk about football. I want to go learn and watch how you create Miami. The Miami Open saw that from the infancies, how you're going to create F1 saw that from the infancies, how you're going to remodel the Entire stadium saw that from the infancies. Like, so there was so many other things where this football coach didn't really realize. It's like, oh, this dude. Let me let him be who he wants, because he's always going to show up on Sundays. He's going to provide and play at a high level and go from there. So I think that's where it was seen as a threat versus something that's positive. And then, like you said, allow these kids to be who they are, let these young men be who they are, but set ground rules of what your expectations are and go from there.

[Jarvis Landry]

I agree.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

And you can't do it by fear, because ain't nobody scared of you.

[Leonard Fournette]

That's true. That's true.

[Jarvis Landry]

Grown man. Grown man. A grown man.

[Leonard Fournette]

So obviously, you're the first guest on here who's been teammates to both me and Jarvis. Yeah, right. Can you tell me some of your favorite memories, you know, with me in Tampa? And I tell you, mines with when

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I was dealing with you, I mean, we've had so many good times. Yeah, but I mean, I just. The laughing, joking in the locker room, like, all those different things. You coming in to the D line corner, talking noise, trying to get in. I mean, keep it funky.

[Leonard Fournette]

We.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Y' all are over there gambling, creating nonsense. I'm telling y', all, man, get out. Get out this corner, because y' all gonna start some fights, especially you and Devin.

[Jarvis Landry]

Right?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Like, y', all, too, was. Were our characters when it comes to having fun in the locker room and whatnot. It was good. I mean, you. Y' all kept it lively and fun. That's what I appreciated. And. And I think for both of y', all, especially at different times in my career, you kept me youthful. Like, as I got older, I got more into business. Y' all always pulled me back, man, forget your business meeting. Get your butt in here in the locker room and kick it with us, and let's go have some fun. Like, even dinners that me and Jarvis had with Jay Cutler, like, moving around and doing different things like that, that was what I really appreciated about both

[Leonard Fournette]

of y', all most definitely, man. And I would say, honestly, my favorite memory is we with the teammates.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Right?

[Leonard Fournette]

When you came to Tampa, came to The Jacksonville in 2019, and we played y' all guys at home, and I was actually calling out the defense. I was calling out who should be the mic. You know, we had a young quarterback, Mitch, you. And you said, man, you better get out. They gonna kill your ass. He said, man, you calling you Call out who's supposed to be the mic, this and that. But also one of my all time favorites is when I was going through, you know, my, my trials with Tampa, right? And you'll come in the sauna, this big ass jug of water, you know, and at the time, it's so crazy, it was just me and you, right? He was like, like, like, man, what's the problem? I'm like, shit, bro, I ain't playing. Like, I'm just saying I'm not used to this. Right? And once again, Jarvis brought up business inside the business. You told me that there, right? So I was kind of getting a glimpse of understanding what you were saying and also understanding the game. Right? You can't be around this bitch pouting. You can't be. You can't show them that. Right? And you, you told me that. You told me a valuable lesson with me personally, but I was teaching my sons and I thank you for that.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah, yeah. Nah, man, it's, it's, it's tough though, because for me, I think we're so used to always being at the pinnacle of everything that we do and being able to, I was able to learn that same example, although I was giving you advice on not so much character, but being able to embrace where your position is because again, your number got called and what'd you do? You like, that's important. And you, if you weren't in the headspace to be able to do that and you were still pouting and had being down upon yourself, you just had to wait for your opportunity. But I also, I'm looking at it as, like when I go to Philly and I'm in a backup role. I'd never been in a backup role. Yeah. Since a little kid. To, to where I'm at. But I could be able to say, all right, this is no different than rotating like a running back. Like, we're going to have this rotation, I'm going to have fair share. And when I, when my number's called,

[Lily Herman]

I ready for a different take on Formula one. Look no further than no Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it, Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun Cancer moon.

[Lily Herman]

The story of the sport's most consequential driver. Strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out, and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both? He started getting all this attention and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this, I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Gotta be able to show up from that standpoint. So it was being able to put myself in your shoes and vice versa, understanding how it all works.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah. And I think, I think the thing that was really killing me about that time was where like, you know, you so used to when the lineup come on on the fucking billboard, you know, started and I'm like, man, they're not even calling me. But, you know, they were screaming my name. So that was my biggest thing. It's on you, Juice.

[Hard Rock Bet Announcer]

Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet Florida Sportsbook. The Hard Rock Bet party is on and your name is on the guest list. Hard Rock Bet is the top rated sportsbook app that's super easy to use for both fans and former athletes like ourselves. You've got all the betting options and features you love, like same game parlays and live betting. One thing that sets Hard Rock Bet apart is their legendary reward drops. Just open the app every Thursday and see what you get. And sure, Hard Rock Bet is Florida's only legal sportsbook, but you don't have to be in Florida to join the party. Hard Rock Bet is also live in Arizona, Ohio, New Jersey, Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia, Illinois, Colorado and Michigan, with more states on the way. So if you're visiting Florida, download Hard Rock Bet while you're here and keep the party rolling when you head back home. Right now, when you sign up, Hard Rock Bet will double your winnings on your first 10 bets, max $50. That's right. Your winnings are double on your first 10 bets. So if you would have won a hundred bucks on Miami to win, make that 200. Now, hard rock Bet is a major partner of what we're doing here. With forth this out, we'll be using their lines, their odds and data, talking about the biggest stories in sports and we'll even take part in the action ourselves. Sign up for Hard Rock Bet today and get the party started with us. Offered by the Seminole Tribe in Florida. Offered by The Seminole Hard Rock Digital LLC in all other states must be 21 and over and physically present in

[Jarvis Landry]

Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, New

[Hard Rock Bet Announcer]

Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee and Virginia. To play terms and conditions apply.

[Jarvis Landry]

Concerned about gambling in Florida, call 1833

[Hard Rock Bet Announcer]

play wise in Indiana, if you or

[Jarvis Landry]

someone you know has a gambling problems, call and once help call 1-800-9 with it. In Ohio, call 1-800- my reset gambling problem, call 1-800- GAMBLER yeah, no, that's that. No, I love hearing y' all talk about it because like, you know, I think I didn't really get that aspect of what you guys were speaking about until I got to New Orleans, right? Like for, for most of my career I was the guy high school, I was the guy college, you know, maybe my, my freshman year. But I found a way to play special teams, still make plays, still be somebody that people recognize as like, damn, like he's making plays on special teams. I can't wait to see what he's going to do on offense, right? And then I get to the NFL and you know, I played special teams in the beginning. I told people this all the, tell people all the time if you want to make the team in the NFL and as a rookie, play special teams until your number is called. Right? You know, I had guys like Brian Hartline, Mike Wallace also in front of me at that time, Tannehill, still a quarterback, but when I got to New Orleans, it was one of those situations where it's like, hey, you're going to be playing more on third downs, you're going to be playing more in the red zone, you're going to be playing more on third and short and we want to run power right behind you, you know what I mean? And I'm just like, I don't know if I, I could do this. And I remember calling Jamis and I'm like, yo, bro, like they don't really see me like how I feel like I see myself at this point in my career, you know, and, and, and, and, and Sue, I'm going to ask you about that in a second because you know, at that point in my career I felt like I, I, I could still be a, every down receiver. I could damn near damn sure be a compliment to a number one, if not be a number one on most teams that in, in the NFL, right? And first game with the Saints, I go for 1:30 and I'm thinking like, uh huh, like I'm, I'm, I showed y'. All. Like I'm telling you, like I'm here, like, I could still do this, right? And I'm 30 years old. I'm 30 years old and. But again, I end up falling into that role that they told me, like, third down, red zone. Before you know it, I'm not getting no targets in the game. I'm not touching the ball at all. You know, can you talk about a little bit about when you made your transitions from to Tampa into Philly? Right. Like, maybe physically you felt like I could still give you that first second down, you know, and if you want to leave me out there for three downs, I could do that too. Like, can you talk about, like, your mentality of, like, being more of a team guy, even though physically you felt like you probably could get the job done?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah. I would say Tampa really wasn't, like, the start of it for me. It was more so actually in Miami, where I started to realize, like, hey, man, I don't have to play every single down. And coach Terrell Williams, if you remember

[Jarvis Landry]

him, of course, shout out to T. He was in. He's in New England.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah, exactly. And so Coach T would tell me, like, you obviously are elite. You can do everything, but you got to understand, like, you've played a lot of down. So I'm going to. I want to not rest you, but I want to have you when we're playing these games like you started the game. First three series are obviously yours, but I'm going to pull you out in the fourth series, unless we're in, like, a big transition or whatever. So I started looking at the game a little bit differently, of picking and choosing when I can take breaks and work. So again, one, we're playing for the long haul, being in the super bowl, trying to be in the playoffs, all these different things. And so that's when I started to understand, all right, how do I pick and choose and understand where, hey, the better my. My crew is as a defensive line, the better I'm going to be. And so when I eventually got to la, playing with Aaron Donald, Michael Brockers, then going to Tampa, playing with Vita, JPP and all the different guys, I started to realize, all right, man, I need to invest my time and energy in the guys that I'm playing with and how I can build up in and around them, because they're only gonna. The better they are, the better I'm going to be. And so as I continue to. To. To really hone into those different things, because, again, I'm going to train to where I could play every single snap or almost every Single snap. But am I going to be able to pay that snap at close to 100%, right? Or am I going to be playing that, playing 50, 60 snaps at 85%. I'd much rather be 40, 45 snapshot at 99 versus 60 snaps at 70, 80. And so that's where my mindset started shifting and saying, all right, I got to get these younger guys behind me, ready to go and play. And then I get to sit fourth down. I'm not coming out late, third down, all the past big pass downs, I'm obviously in the game. So just being able to pick and choose. So that's how I started to look at it from that lens and build into growing.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, you know what? Now that I. Now that I guess I set myself up for that because, you know, I'm a receiver, you know, I need that ball. So I'm trying to be in the field as much as possible. You know what I'm saying? Like, as receivers, it's harder to pick and choose, you know. But I think that's an interesting point that you make for, you know, other veterans in the league. Like, we see Vayron Miller moving around right now, you know, other DNS and D linemen, right, that played the game at a high level early on in the career, played a lot of football. Right. Are now making decisions based off of just what you said, you know, other guys around them, how they can go in the field and go ahead.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah. If you look at it like this, you don't watch the entire game. At the end of the game, if you look at my stat sheet and it says, two and a half sacks, five tackles, and one pbu, like, damn, he bald.

[Leonard Fournette]

Right?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

How many snaps was that? Maybe if I did that in 10 snaps. Like, so you're picking and choosing these moments and understand the game, like, where you can take your shots and make big plays and change the game. Because if I get the sack, fumble return for a touchdown for show, that helped us win the game. So those, that. That's how the mindset changes. No different on offense. If you're like, hey, man, you only want me for red zone. Well, guess what? Y' all get y' all busted down to the red zone. And everybody knows the ball is coming, coming to. To juice, right? Well, the ball's being handed off to Lenny. Yeah, it's going to be a touchdown. Y' all can't stop it. It's coming down the pipeline.

[Leonard Fournette]

This is why I love talking to this man, bro. The intellectual. He. The lessons he gives Us, man, like, he got. We looking at shit different now. You know what I'm saying?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Which is cool.

[Leonard Fournette]

You live and you learn. But my next question is, right, so if you had to pick, right, one choice out of me or Juice as your teammate. Right? Right. Now, who you taking?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Who you taking? I mean, that ain't scared. Y' all gonna really put me on the spot?

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes, yes. I need to know. I need to know.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

All right.

[Jarvis Landry]

Oh, man. For the record, sue, listen, I know you tackle Leonard, so you know what I mean, you ain't got to see me at all. So, you know, it's good. It's good. You know, y' all can play on the same team.

[Leonard Fournette]

That's good.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

All right, so this is how I'm gonna answer this question, because this is a messed up question. Right? Right? I got Juice during the season. I got Lenny in the playoffs.

[Jarvis Landry]

Oh, hey, that's real. That's. You know what? I ain't done. I ain't done much in the playoff. I ain't gonna lie. You know, so. So the playoff, Lenny, is stamped for a reason. It's a real thing for a reason. It's a brand for a reason.

[Leonard Fournette]

Okay, I respect that. No bad blood. You know what? You know what? I'll take that answer. I'll take that.

[Jarvis Landry]

I'll take 100%.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I mean, you had to take it. I wasn't gonna give you nothing else.

[Leonard Fournette]

And also, this is this. This strictly for our Tampa fans, right?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah.

[Leonard Fournette]

Like, about the run we went on at the end of the season, obviously. And, Bruh, what do you remember, I guess, the most about that run, man?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I mean, I don't know if you remember this vividly, but it always sticks out of my brain about that run. We were excited at the beginning of that season, man. We have so much talent on that team. Like, it was crazy, like, to imagine how many first round picks, how many Pro Bowlers, All Pros, everything top to bottom, offense and defense. Like, again, we should have just ran through that entire season through everybody, but we didn't. But it wasn't until we had that team and players only meeting in. In the indoor facility.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yep.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

And everybody is like, amen. Like, put all your pride aside. And some people got called out. We'll leave those names out. And said, this ain't about you. Like, don't nobody care about your stats. Don't nobody care about nothing. But all what we want to do is put a banner right behind everybody else where we're sitting. And you just felt kind of the air come out the room, but in a positive way of dudes being like, all right, man, this is our chance. Like, we're either going to be considered the all star team. Like, kind of like, what did a buddy do from. From Texas say back in the day when he was in Philly? I'm drawing a place on the quarterback's name. But long story short, like, everybody understood, man, we gonna play our role. We're gonna understand what we need to do and find a way to get into the players. Because all we do, all we gotta do is get to the playoffs. Because once we get to the playoffs, everybody's free game. Like, it don't matter who it is. And so any given Sunday, yeah, we took care of business and we got to playoffs and dude was looking around the locker rooms like, man, we can really do this. And the path to do it is, yes, difficult, but it's the right way to earn a championship. We're gonna go smack Washington, you know, come back, we gotta, we gotta beat New Orleans. Yeah. And then go up to Green Bay for the championship and then come home, like, be the first to ever do it and win it at home. I mean, that was, that was historic.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, it was. It was definitely a shift in the air, right? Cause guess what? Now I'm gonna be real. I was one of the guys that got called out because I was as, as the team was practicing. You know what I'm Jarvis. I was, it was in red zone. I was the one on the 40 yard line, just watching, pissed off on the knee. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah, guys, you know, especially in my time, and I know he kind of gets a big, big, big. I. I don't, I don't know what to say. But you know, he does. They don't talk about him as much, but a guy that helped me was a B. Right, because we was kind of going through the similar thing, you know, he wasn't getting the ball. There'll be days. There'll be days when I'm like, come on, bro. Like, you know, you know, like. And come on, bro. Like, you know, we on our last strike. Like, man, you don't this up. And every day, see, I say the same. And, and I can just remember, like going into that, that end of the season and you know, sue, we always step by the bottle waters, you know what I'm saying? We talk that shit. You'll be like, man, you know, fix your fucking, you know, just being real, man. Fix your body language. Like, I'm like, damn, you can see it. He was like, leonard, bro, you can't hide that shit. Like, especially how you all. And I guess with my personality, I'm always happy, always joking. And you could tell, like, I'm on one of them days, like, man, fuck this shit, man. I'd just be sitting on a knee, chilling.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

You ain't like me who gets to run around with a face like. It's not. He looked mad. That's his normal face.

[Leonard Fournette]

You.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

You out here dancing, doing all these different things. And so. But it's also. You didn't realize a lot of dudes on that team are looking up to you. So that was something also. From that standpoint, it's like, man, even though I may not be doing everything I know I can do, there's a lot of people that are looking up to you. That same man, if he's doing everything he could possibly do, why shouldn't I? So that. That was. That was my whole piece of why I wanted to have those conversations and why I even mentioned. Plus, man, again, you're good, dude. So don't let the politics of the game affect you.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Which. I mean, it affected us all. Because there was times where I wanted to. I wanted to curb. Stomp a couple coaches and people throughout times.

[Leonard Fournette]

And also, man, can you. Can you tell me about just playing in the super bowl and getting that. Getting that. You had a sack, right? You had a share a second with Gil. Oh, you had a second. I don't know, talk to y'.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

All. Gil stole the half a sack. I should have had two sacks in the game, but I got one and a half because it's funny, I told him it was like one of the last, probably like 10 plays of the game. He didn't want to switch with me, but I was like, hey, man, I'm playing D and you play D. Tackle. You ain't got to touch the guard. You ain't gonna just run up and hit the guard in the face and then look around. Yeah. And then I came, and he went and met me at the quarterback. But if you go back and watch the film and slow it down, I hit him first, and then he just jumped on. Oh, yeah. We won, though. So that's hard.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, we did. We did. Also, it's probably my last question, like, dealing with the Bucks. Can you tell me, like. Cause I knew the communication with us with Brady, Right. Did Brady come? Because I remember Brady telling Bulls, like, what's the. Asking him, what's the game plan for the defense of how our game plans should help y' all stay off the field, keep y' all fresh. Can you tell me how it was playing with somebody like Brady? Well, actually being a teammate with him, yeah.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I mean, I thought it was great to be able to be teammates with him. He and I had a lot of different teammates. Conversations, interactions throughout the year, in the years that we were there together. But I. I think he leaned on saying, hey, man, we're going to. You guys get us as many opportunities as you possibly can from a defense perspective. We're going to keep you all fresh, but I need at least a couple turnovers here so I can be able to continue to put more points and we can separate and separate ourselves when it comes to being able to. Whether we're trying to get two.2 position possessions before we get into the half or get a double score or whatever it is saying we get. We're getting the ball in the second half, y' all gotta get a stop here. Just understand that part, those parts of the key elements of the game. And plus, I mean, shoot, if we can stop y' all and shut y' all down and piss y' all off in practice, right?

[Leonard Fournette]

I mean, hey, you know, it's gonna be.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

It's gonna be cakewalk when we get out there playing against everybody else. So, I mean, yeah, we never wanted to get y' all hurt, but, you know, I. I love pissing on off there in practice, man.

[Leonard Fournette]

I was. But I was. I was telling. I was telling Juice about.

[Jarvis Landry]

We had.

[Leonard Fournette]

We had like, a live period at one point, and me and Devin got into a fight, right? And, you know, I kind of. I raised Devin from LSU and, you know, shit like that, and he kind of knows the ins and out of pissing me off. Like, so he like. I guess I got the first down right as I'm going to kneel. He still tackled me. We get. We get in a fight. You see sue ass laughing, you know, like, suit. Like, sue not getting all that. Sue not touching nobody, you know, obviously, nobody don't want to touch his big ass. So threw back that laughing brain. And I can say honestly, those practices made us who we are, right?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

The.

[Leonard Fournette]

The competition, you know, you Jensen ass, y'. All. You know, y' all going at it. You know what I'm saying? It was some of the. Some of the best. The best, I would say, competition I've had my entire career at NFL, to be honest.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah, man, it was good, technical competition where dudes was physical but knew when

[Leonard Fournette]

to pull off, looked out for each

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

other and took care of each other. So we would take it right up to that edge right before crossing the line. But it was still good because it kept us all sharp. Definitely.

[Jarvis Landry]

No, that's. And that's important. And that's important. You know, a lot of teams don't. Don't have that veteran leadership or that awareness. And sometimes, you know, I play with the defensive coaches and, you know, they letting defensive guys do whatever they want to do. They tackling you to the ground, grabbing your body shirt when you're running your route. PI. You know, it didn't matter. But it's fun hearing you guys talk about y', all, y' all experience. And I wish we had better times in Miami as well. Sue, man, you know, man, I wish we could have ran it back.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

For a reason, though. Everything happens.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, you say everything happened for a reason. I was doing some research and you know, on your pod, which is. Which is amazing. By the way, no free lunch with. With Dominican Sue. Make sure y' all go check that out.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes, we need to come on there. Yeah, no, yeah, y' all both got

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

to come on for sure. Mandatory season one or season two coming up.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'll make it happen.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yes, sir. So, and. And I. I overheard you saying that Detroit didn't match what Miami was offering and that you possibly could have stayed in Detroit, but they ain't matched it. My question is, would you have wanted to stay in Detroit, though, for the rest of your career if that was on the table?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Hindsight, yes. My goal was to stay in Detroit a thousand percent. And I mean, I love. I mean, that 24, 2014 season was absolutely amazing. I felt like we had an opportunity to win a Super bowl during that year, and Jim Carwell and I didn't want to leave him being my head coach. Like, I mean, we hit it off from day one before he was. When I first talked to him, which was maybe two, three weeks or even maybe a month before he got the head coaching job, because I was fortunate enough to be in that. In that head coaching process to some extent and then to have that year record setting defense and just the way he empowered me and everybody from that team, by no means did I want to leave, but also at the same time, I got to do what's best for my family. And I think ultimately, like, they didn't care to see me as a cornerstone of their. Their defense, let alone their team and the organization. And so a business is business at the end of the day. So if you don't see if we're not aligned on that vision, then there's nothing for us to really talk about. And I remember vividly I was leaving church on a Sunday. My agent calls me and he's like, miami's got an amazing deal and Oakland has got a million dollars more. But I know you all about taxes and. And actually, the true money that you about to get, Oakland, was still. Is still in Cali. So, like, yeah, you're not gonna. You're not gonna net it. Even though their number's bigger by a couple million bucks, you're not going to get that same amount of money as you get from Miami. So I was like, all right, sounds like it's Miami. But I still want to give Detroit an opportunity to match. Go back to them and see if they'll match. And yes, it would be a little bit of a pay cut because, yes, the taxes, California compared to Michigan and let alone all the reciprocal states that you have with Illinois and Wisconsin and whatnot, it wouldn't be in Minnesota. It wouldn't be that much of a hit. Give him the opportunity to match. If they match right here, right now, I'll come back to Detroit. It was ghosts.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Casper the Ghost.

[Jarvis Landry]

I didn't.

[Leonard Fournette]

I didn't know that. Right. And also, I feel like. I feel like it kind of had a misconcept. A misconception of you too, right?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah. You know.

[Leonard Fournette]

You know, even though I know you was doing like, you know, I advocate for you, you know, they said you stumped on somebody. I said, he ain't see him. It. You know, first of all, it's football. It's football, like, you know what I'm saying?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Oh, let's keep it 100. I seen him, but the people don't realize that prior to that, land dirty. Punch me in my face, hit me in my throat. If you go back and watch film and look at the tape, I told the ref, the head white ref, we're walking up the tunnel at halftime. I said, you need to deal with this guard. He keeps punching me in my face. All illegal things. If you need to deal with him. If you don't deal with him, I'm gonna deal with him. And I end up having to deal with him, man.

[Jarvis Landry]

Man. 200, 000 worth of fines dealing with it.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Hey, man, sometimes you make mistakes and you gotta learn from them.

[Jarvis Landry]

Nah, nah, nah. I love it. I love it, bro. I love it. I've had my fair share of runnings on the field too, bro, and been fine for a bunch of dumb, dumb that I've done as well but throughout that process, right, you end up signing to Miami.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

One thing, one story that I vividly remember all the time. I remember you coming in and I told, I told, I told Leonard this too. I was like, man, I kind of look like low key, nervous is like, this dude biggest shit to come and, like, talk to him or, like, say something, you know what I'm saying? And at the time, I was like, kind of stepping into my own right. Like, I hadn't really done much in the NFL and obviously through your. Throughout your college career, NFL, like, you all, you know, rookie of the year, all this stuff. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn. And then I see, like, you walk in, you got your water jug still, like, Leonard is still talking about, like, that you had a Tampa. And I see like five, like, people behind you, like doctors, trainers, like, strength coaches. I'm like, who all these people is behind you? Then we go in, we walk into the. To the, to the, to the weight room. And you working out by yourself.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, he does his own workout for sure.

[Jarvis Landry]

Man, where did that start, bro? Like, when did you start? Like, and, and not that that's a bad thing. Not. I. Not that that's a bad thing, but I think it's a. Is a. It's a thing that I noticed. That was also one of the reasons that I started taking care of my body more intentionally. Right. Like, when did that start for you? Because I didn't notice it, obviously, because I was never in the building with you until you came to Miami. So. So, like, when did that start?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

So it's funny, and I know you

[Jarvis Landry]

got a lot of shit about it too, so. So tell us about that, too.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Tons. Tons. Yeah. So it started, and it wasn't my fault. It was a lockout's fault. I went through a lockout in 2011. So 2010, I come. I'm drafted. I. I go to off season workouts. I'm just following behind Calvin and Bosch. He takes me under my wing, under his wing, and I'm doing everything that he does. Then the lockout happens. Going into 2011 season, I'm like, what do I do? Like, I come back, they said, don't even come up to the facility. It's locked doors. Don't come up here. We don't mess with y'. All. Vice versa. Damn. I'm like, dang. So I come back to Nike and I'm like, hey, can I use the facilities here? And they're like, yeah, no problem. Go ahead. And I got super super lucky. I met my professional performance director at that time, a guy named Keith d'. Amelio. So he starts training me and understanding how things work. And what I've soon realized, even from our reflection of my rookie season, the NFL's. No, not like Nebraska, or wasn't like Nebraska, where everything was at my fingertips. Or like lsu. Everything's at your fingertips. And also, that's my facility at lsu. I've been up before y' all see in there. So I was running that campus before y' all was even out of high school.

[Leonard Fournette]

Don't speak on our bro.

[Hard Rock Bet Announcer]

For real.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

But I realized, all right, I'm gonna start to build my own team. So fast forward to Miami. Like, I've now got the funds to kind of do whatever I need to do. Yeah, Fly people out. So I had my performance director, my physical therapist, my naturopath, all my folks. And again, this is kind of the abrasiveness of not understanding the emotional intelligence, the EQ of. Of how I needed to operate and kind of asking for permission versus just going about my business.

[Jarvis Landry]

Because,

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

yeah, I was like, hey, man, you want me to play at the highest level? Let me do my thing. And then I'll. I'll produce and everything. Everything should be good. But it wasn't until. And. And I love Dave Polka, who was one of probably the best strength coaches I've ever been around in the. In the NFL. He was the assistant head coach or assistant strength and conditioning coach. And he was like, hey, man, let me work with you. Because unfortunately enough, he had relationships, like, intertwined with my performance director as well as my physical therapist. So he was like, hey, I'm gonna train you. Like, I'm gonna need you to do the warm up with the team, and then you can go off on your own, then you can start to do. Or you can come in early in the morning and do these different things. And so that's how I was, like, being able to finesse and maneuver around. But I just wanted that individual attention. I didn't want the group aspect of it, but I also understood I needed to be within the team and be able to do things as a collective. But again, I wanted a specific structure that was built solely for me versus it kind of being, hey, y' all know when y' all go into the weight room? Yeah, y' all got 10 drills, right? Half the dudes are going to do it, half the dudes aren't going to do it. And I wanted that individual attention, whether it was from Dave or from my guys. That created my program. So that was one of the reasons why I focused that way.

[Jarvis Landry]

No, and I love it, bro. And that, honestly, bro, that influenced me to be more intentional with my body as well. And I think that as a teammate during that time, I know personally, me, I never was like, well, he over there doing that, this or that, right? Because I know when you got to the field, what you, how you was representing yourself and the team when you got to the field, right? And mind you, that's really the only time that you ever really was. I don't say. Not part of the team, right? But you're still in, you're still showing up on time, you're still doing the, the, the, the warmups like you said. And having that one on one time is what most of these players need. And if you look at the NFL now, that's where it's heading to. That's what, that's, that's how people are training now. Like, you know, the receivers go in at one point in time and all of the strength. Coaching assistants take one or two guys and they work on them specifically intentionally for them how they can get better. And I think that's something that, you know, guys like yourself, you know, we see guys across other, other, other sports, like LeBron James, right? Other sports that Cristiano Ronaldo take care of their body, right? They have to, They're. They're the star for a reason. They got to where they are for a reason.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Man, I wish we had the Braun treatment to where my man got his own trainer. The team pays for it. All these different things is my understanding. Like, why can't that be in the NFL? Like, I mean, Laney, you know, when we was in Tampa, there were certain structures and certain things that were set up for certain people that, why can't I have this? But honestly, there's levels to it and I think there's, there's an opportunity to treat people fairly, but not equally, because not everybody's equal. But we should be able to have the opportunity to be fairly treated throughout the, throughout the organization. And again, if I'm paying for it, like, and it's going to benefit at the end of the day, the bottom line of us winning, why would you care?

[Jarvis Landry]

Right?

[Leonard Fournette]

True, bro.

[Jarvis Landry]

I remember, I remember you. Like, like, if I'm not mistaken, you know, when, when, when our coach that we're talking about came to Miami, he, He didn't want you to like, bring your bed into the, into the, into the, into the hotel. And like, that was a whole, that was a whole thing for. For no reason. And you like, bro, like. Like, I need my. First of all, I need my oxygen chamber. Like, I'm not going home. I'm not one of the guys. Like, like, me as a youngin, I would go to go to training camp, drive home for 20, 30 minutes, then drive back to the hotel. I'm. Right. And you, like, no, like, I go from the facility to my room where I need everything that I need to show up tomorrow and be the very best. And he had a problem with that. And, you know, it's crazy. It's.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

It's.

[Jarvis Landry]

People don't even know half of the stuff, right? But it's. It's just.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

It's not. It's mind boggling because it didn't affect him at all. And like the year before when we had Coach Campbell, which I think that was the biggest mistake. He should have been.

[Jarvis Landry]

Look at him now.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Exactly. But he was like, man, I don't care if you stay home. Like, do your thing, like, you know when to be up, be on time, do all these different things. But then you got this whole shift of another coach that comes in, and it's like, you're just making rules to make rules and make life difficult. Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Like, what for? And it's like, man, I just want to be comfortable, which you're not gonna let me sit be at comfort of my own home. You might as well just let me bring everything here, transport it here, let me be comfortable within this space that you're requiring us to be, and then we can go about our business. But you want to nitpick and do all these other things, man. Hey, yeah, it's gonna hit a breaking point, which it did. Yep.

[Leonard Fournette]

Definitely. And I think. I think. And people might not think of this, but I think BA Was a great head coach. Right?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Amazing, bro.

[Leonard Fournette]

He let. Bro. So if. If you was one of the guys, right, that were performing and, you know, and actually helping the team to win week by week, coming in, doing your thing and not bullshitting, they had a list every Saturday of the guys who can sleep at home, right? So, I mean, bro, to me, that was heaven on earth.

[Jarvis Landry]

That's dope coaching.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yes. He understands us. He trusted us.

[Jarvis Landry]

And he.

[Leonard Fournette]

And he's definitely. He was one of the guys that. All right, Football is not all about football, Right. If you have kids, you have family, man. Step away, see your family, go take care of your business with your kids, man. That's one of the things I admire about him. And obviously, I come from the old culture with Tom Coughlin, where you in that motherfucker from 6 in the morning to 11 at night. So it's like this bitch like jail almost. I'm like, damn, I'm ready to go home. So it was kind of a culture shock for me as well when he said, yeah, y' all get to go home. And not only that, Jarvis, we at training camp, we. We got home at like 3:45 every day. So it's like, you see the homes, they still practicing at 8:30. They still. They still out, bro. This was crazy. And I. And I enjoy, and I thank God for that. That kind of put extra, I guess, years on my body from Tampa, I mean, from Jacksonville, you know, because I was the work horse. Everything was. Was. Was always Leonard, Leonard, Leonard, Leonard left, Leonard right. And I never had any help. So by me coming here, it was an eye opener to not to see. To play with great guys on both sides of the ball. And our first year, we had great guys, but that kind of had to win away. But just seeing guys like sue, how he took care of business, you know, like, what people don't understand, like. And Sue, I always tell people, it was like, man, his demeanor. I say, bro, fuck that part about his demeanor. Once you hear sue open his mouth and talk about business, talk about what's the next things in this world that's coming upon us that we can invest our money in. See, that's the shit people miss out, and that's the shit we talked about. Even now, a couple of months back, I'm like, damn, sue, like, what you think I should put my money at? What's the next big thing? And he always have the answer for that. And that's what I admire about you, my brother.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I ain't gonna lie, man. I'm not trying to gatekeep no information. I've been blessed to have great mentors that support me and give me a lot of insight. And I have a lot of conversations, a lot of opportunities that come across the table. But, I mean, why keep it to myself? Like, they're not keeping it for themselves. So I love to share it and love having those conversations. That's something I think from a brotherhood in. In sports and entertainment, just in general, we should always support each other. Like, we. Once we realize at a. At a big scale that the power that we have in numbers, especially in this business world, man, we. We will move a lot of things in this world from a positive perspective, which I'm excited about. But to your point of Coach Aaron's man, Coach Aaron's man. He was one of the best. And I was like, I remember sitting here in my driveway here in Portland when he was like, man, I want you to come be one of my guys down here in Tampa. And I was like, okay, that's interesting. And he was like. I asked him like, you got a problem with me? Like I'm in the phase of my life right now where I'm down to play. I give you everything, but I'm not practicing on Fridays. He's like, yeah, I'm not worried about that. You know what's crazy?

[Leonard Fournette]

In practice on Fridays. Damn, I forgot about that.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Ah, boss, like, you see me Wednesdays and Thursdays, full Friday after that walk through. Yeah, yeah, I'm gone. So. But that was like the transparent and true coaches player things that Coach Arians did. And I loved about being being a part of that organization, him being the leader there. He again, he treated everybody fairly, but not equally. And that was something that was, that was super helpful, not only for me because, shoot, I ended up having kids shortly thereafter after two years being able to see them.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Get my PT stuff, I could be there for dinner, like all those different things. And like you said, even the guys that had that were at the facility till the very end, it's 3:45, 4:00', clock, man. You still go pick up your kids on the way from, pick them up from school and get home. So it was a lot of love there.

[Jarvis Landry]

A lot of coaches don't realize, like looking out for the man helps the player. You know what I'm saying? Like, like being able to go have those time with your family, like being able to, you know, and obviously there's some guys that we all know that with their time and you know, not doing the right things, them guys are not to be trusted. And I, I, I totally understand that. Right. But like, you know, I think it's a lost art to say that, you know, if you take care of the man and the man is, is happy to player, you're going to get a good player. You're going to get a great player. Sue, I know that we, we, we close on on your heart out, but I got this segment called Trap Trap our treasure. Right.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Okay, Trapper, Treasure. What we got?

[Jarvis Landry]

Travers Treasure. Right. I'm gonna give you investments that athletes see every day. We know most athletes don't just lose their money on bad ideas. We know they lose it on also on unstructured relationships. Right. Obviously statistics show that over 70, 80% of guys after they're done playing are in some type of financial distress. Right. So I'm gonna. Listen, I'm gonna list a couple things. You say is it if it's a trap or is it, you know, it's a gold mine? Trap or treasure. Or you could pass.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Do I get to elaborate on if it's a trap or treasure?

[Jarvis Landry]

Of course, of course.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Okay. Okay, let's go.

[Jarvis Landry]

You ready? Trap or treasure? Starting a restaurant with your friends.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I'm gonna say trap. Unless your friend is a chef and you have an amazing business operator that is helping and supporting you, then it could be a treasure. Restaurant business, especially in this day and age.

[Leonard Fournette]

It's tough, man.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

It's tough. It's tough. Yeah, I've had. I've been fortunate though. I've had a lot of success, but I've also had some failures that I'm. I'm trying to. I'm trying to bounce back right now. Yeah, yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

No, I love that. All right, what about a nightclub or lounge investment? Trap or treasure?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I'm going to say trap because I stay away from that nightlife. It's very finicky.

[Jarvis Landry]

Too much liabilities.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

And. And usually nothing after midnight is nothing good. Nothing good after midnight happens.

[Jarvis Landry]

So you know it.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Nothing good. So I'm gonna say trap for sure.

[Jarvis Landry]

100. Buying exotic cars as assets. Trapped treasure.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

100 trap. Once you buy a vehicle, it's depreciating. So yeah, it's a trap. Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

All right. All right. Giving a family member money. Trap a treasure or no giving a family member money with no business structure. Right. You know, somebody come to you, I got a business idea, whatever. Trap.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

It's a trap all the way. I ain't got to elaborate on that. You just give them the money. Just say it's a gift and give them a gift return.

[Leonard Fournette]

Young guys, listen to what this man is saying. Because guess what? You give them that money, they will be back. They will be back in a couple of months.

[Jarvis Landry]

All right? Buying commercial property. Trap or treasure?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Treasure. I'm a big real estate proponent of buying it, making sure that it's cash flowing. And again, it just depends on how you want to operate it. I mean, I have a development company, so I've got a great team that supports me and we do a lot of great things, whether it's from a non profit perspective or from for profit perspective. But I think real estate, that's something that this world and God is not making more of is land.

[Jarvis Landry]

That's right. That's right. All right. Trap or treasure? NFTS

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Ooh. I think treasure. But it depends on how it's been evolved. And I think over time we've. There was obviously a very peak and high level of a lot of excitement around it. But I think the underlying blockchain and all those different things in crypto, I think it's here to live and be here for the long term.

[Jarvis Landry]

That's awesome. That's awesome. All right, Trapper. Treasure. Hiring your friends over experts.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I'm going to say treasure. If your friends have the same expertise and you have a quality relationship with them and you have clear expectation guidelines, it can be an amazing treasurer. Some of my best friends that I, that I like to be around. The rest, like one of my good friends is like one of my goals is once I become hopefully a multimillionaire billionaire or whatever it is, like, I would love for him to be my full time security guard, but I can afford him right now. So, like, there's things like that. Like you can, you can find ways to be able to, to, to make it happen.

[Jarvis Landry]

All right, trap or treasure. Equity over cash deals.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Equity over cash deals. I mean, it's such a convoluted piece. Like, I'm all about equity. Yeah. And so I'm going to say treasure. But again, it's, it's a concept of if you, if your equity is worth zero, you wish you took the cash. But if your equity is worth tens of thousands of millions of dollars, you made the right decision. So it depends on what you're getting into. But I'm always going to choose equity over cash because cash is a finite piece where like, you want it to become. You always want cash to be able to come and go all the time. So, like, equity is hard to get. It's very, very hard. Like the day and age of people. Like, you look at it in the housing market, it's easy for somebody to go rent, but it's hard for somebody to go buy because people don't have the cash to be able to have that down payment and have that equity and build it for long term.

[Jarvis Landry]

That's right. That's right. I love that answer. All right, a couple more. Trap. Our treasure saying no.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

If I understand the question correctly, it's a treasure if you have the ability to say no. It's very powerful.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah. In my years playing, that was probably one of the hardest things for me too. Saying no to people that you love, you know, that actually has been there your whole, your whole journey. Right. And you know, you got mad love for. But at the End of the day, you keep giving out. Who gonna save you?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jarvis Landry]

That's right. All right, last one, Trapper. Treasure. Dinner with sue or a million dollars.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I'm gonna take a million dollars.

[Jarvis Landry]

Stop playing.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Dinner for me.

[Jarvis Landry]

No, no.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Dinner with me and you is free.

[Jarvis Landry]

Yeah, no, but you know how it was going around at the time. You know, it's dinner with Jay Z. Yeah. You know. You know, listen, like, there's value in knowledge. There's value in knowledge.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

There's value in knowledge. But again, are we gonna go have a business dinner? Are we gonna go turn up and have.

[Jarvis Landry]

No, no, no, no, no, no. No business, no turning up. Nah. Like, you know, like, you giving. You give a game, right? Like, you. You kind of, like, you know, say somebody wanted to come and follow in your footsteps, right? Like Abdullah Card or some of these guys, right. These bigger defensive linemen in the game want to follow in your footsteps, right? Like, is it a trap or a treasure? Have dinner with sue or a million dollars?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Hey, man, I would love to. If they're ready to go. It's a treasure. I'll give you all the game I can give you when it comes to playing football, business, whatever it is, if I can help. Like, it's, for example, like, if you are a young D lineman that wants to play his taxile defensive line play. I mean, it's a treasure to. To sit down with people that have had the experiences prior to you. I wish I could have sat down with Reggie, Reggie White, Warren Sapp, all these guys that I could have learned from and understood how they played the game and why they played it a certain way so I could eventually not copy it, but take bits and pieces to make it my own and. And go from there. So it just depends on the context.

[Jarvis Landry]

But I feel like sitting down with sue comes with two benefits. Not only game, what you learn in a business.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah.

[Jarvis Landry]

And not everybody.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I don't disagree with you. But a key question. Are they ready? I'll give you shoot. Letting you know Vita wasn't ready.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

And he was ready. My man took it to a whole nother level.

[Jarvis Landry]

Right.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

But it's all love, you know?

[Jarvis Landry]

You know what, bro? I think this is a bigger discussion that we should have, man, because I think there's an opportunity there. I know NFLPA does some things right, but I think there's a bigger opportunity there to also, like, you know, be able to have a panel, right. Get on the panel, right. And explain the kids how they need to begin with the end in Mind, right? And we heard that. Right? And I think you actually like live that right for, for, for me, you live that right. You are an example of that. You are example of a guy that was understanding how me going to Miami Dolphins would also put me in position in business. Right. Will also put me around the right type of people, would also give me to understand how to handle business, how to structure business, who I need to make business decisions happen. Right. And you know, a lot of players aren't ready for that because we focus on in the game. But I think that that's the benefit that you would give beyond a Reggie Wright or Warren Sapp, other greats that played the game. Cause you know, we look at you that way as you play because of the way you played the game. But also, you know, as a businessman, bro, you always was that type of type of person. I know in my life that has been extremely helpful. And I know that's your testimony and that, you know, even before you ready, maybe you need a book called before you ready, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, like, because, because that's. You lived it, bro. You did it. You know what I'm saying? And not too many people could say that.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Yeah. But there's a lot of guys and girls that I just say you got to be ready for it. It's just because you get the dinner, you spend the time. Like I just saw Warren Buffett in the Currys are getting ready to do his famous dinner together. But if you win that dinner, are you prepared to have the types of questions or are you just enamored with being able to sit with Warren Buffett and, and Steph and Aisha Curry? Like there's a big difference. Are you going to be able to absorb what they're talking about or you're just going to be enamored with just being in the same room? That's the difference.

[Jarvis Landry]

I'm Chad GPT and everything. And I could. I'm sitting down with Sue, Aisha, Steph, listen, I need every question that I need to make a billion dollars, period.

[Leonard Fournette]

Most definitely, man. So we appreciate it. And this is my trap, my trap of treasure, right? Is Pokemon car's trap or treasure? Let me know.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I think it's treasure. I think they're coming back.

[Leonard Fournette]

We good?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

We coming back.

[Leonard Fournette]

We're gonna leave it there, but we gotta.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

We gotta go ask Gary Vee. Gary Vee is big in the card space, man. We gotta go ask him.

[Leonard Fournette]

So I'm ask Gary Vee, man. But sue, man, we appreciate you, man. Let's try to. We definitely have a set up a time and date to hop on your. Your podcast. Guess what? I still have more questions about business. Right?

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

I know.

[Leonard Fournette]

And I know we all shot on time. I gotta pick my kids up also and do my things with my, with my family, but, man, you know, my brother, I appreciate you the, the time. I've got to know you. You're definitely a part of my family and part of my. My journey of becoming a Super bowl champion along with yourself. I appreciate you, man. I love you and those kids. Your son's what, six? Six boys.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

Just turned five, man.

[Leonard Fournette]

Yeah, they're 10 years old. 10 years old, y'.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

All.

[Leonard Fournette]

I'll tell you, you know, you know, I look like. Yes. Yes. Best of luck of the fam, man. And we love you, man, and appreciate it.

[Jason Pierre-Paul]

This is an I heart podcast, guaranteed human.