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The Herd with Colin Cowherd – "Best of The Herd"

Date: June 10, 2026
Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd (iHeartPodcasts and The Volume)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Herd" dives into the day's biggest sports stories, focusing on the physicality of NBA playoff basketball (particularly around Victor Wembanyama and the Knicks/Spurs series), the cultural meaning and expectations attached to the FIFA World Cup in America, shifting NFL jersey sales and their significance, and finally, an in-depth basketball discussion with former NBA player Channing Frye. Colin’s signature style—opinionated, insightful, and laced with wit—shapes the entire show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. NBA Playoff Physicality & The "Big Man" Code

(Start ~02:27)

• Headline Analysis: Colin opens with a humorous take on the New York Post's sensational front page depicting Wemby (Victor Wembanyama) as a villain after the Knicks were "pushed around" by the Spurs in Game 3.

  • “The New York Post has a headline today. It's like a wanted poster of Wemby... The charge—even soft on crime DA Bragg would find him guilty. The New York Post, a national treasure.” — Colin (03:04)

• Big Man History: Compares Wemby’s experience with NBA legends like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (famous 1977 punch), Shaquille O’Neal, and Nikola Jokic—pointing out big men are often subject to extreme physical contact and sometimes retaliation.

  • “You don't think of stoic Kareem Abdul Jabbar as violent... let me show you some video through the years of Kareem Abdul Jabbar punching Kent Benson in the face.” — Colin (03:19)

• Why Bigs Retaliate:

  • The job of an NBA big is to establish post position, leading to nightly physical battles.
  • Wemby has “been fouled 30 more times than any player in the playoffs.”
  • “Big men historically get shoved and they absorb physical contact. It’s an 82 game schedule. And then ... The NBA does something which helps ratings—they allow more physicality in the postseason.” — Colin (04:05)

• Stoic Nature & Breaking Point:

  • Wemby retaliated like a “lion swatting an annoying bird” after repeated fouling.
  • “Wemby was the lion. Jalen Brunson was the little bird and he just got frustrated. And usually stoic. Wemby swatted him. This is the reality of being a big man.” — Colin (05:17)

• Big Men Must Set a "Code":

  • “You have to create a code of tolerance, a code of conduct. And Wemby is saying, you can start it, I'll finish it.” — Colin (06:09)

Notable Quote: Wemby’s Playoff Learning

“Many things. Brace with your hands and not with your chin, hit below the head if you do... But most importantly, be relentless.”
— Victor Wembanyama (08:30-08:49)

• Stigma about European Players: Colin notes that past Euro imports like Tony Kukoc were considered “soft,” but this doesn’t fly today—Wemby, Jokic, Giannis, etc. are proving otherwise. American players “test” international bigs more than fellow Americans.
  • “He is passing that test with flying colors and occasionally the lion swatting the annoying bird.” — Colin (09:37)

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2. World Cup in America & Realistic Expectations

(09:47)

• Landon Donovan Critique: Recently called American soccer a “money grab,” more about profit than real player development—Colin draws a comparison to AAU basketball issues; it’s about “tracksuit Tony getting paid, not developing our basketball players.”

• On American sports landscape:

  • Even with better youth systems and more accessible leagues, soccer faces an uphill battle against entrenched pro and college sports.
  • “Even if they got it all right, they're one of five popular domestic leagues. And we have a massive college sports system… We have always watched the World Cup, and we've always loved it... And that is absolutely okay. That is not a failure.” — Colin (10:55)

• World Cup as Cultural Event, Not Growth Engine:

  • Argues it should be seen as an intense, fleeting “party,” not a moment to expect transformative growth for soccer in America.
  • “Every time we talk about a World Cup on American soil, here's what I hear. This is an opportunity to grow the game. And I don't see it as that. I see it as four to five weeks of fanaticism, patriotism, globalism, a great, great four to five week party and then we will go on with our lives.” — Colin (11:42)
  • Uses analogy of vacationing in Spain: great experience, but doesn’t mean you want to live there.

• On MLS Accessibility:

  • Criticizes the league for “hiding” behind a paywall on Apple TV, noting it undercuts casual viewership and potential growth.

• Crowd Energy:

  • Noting the excitement and intensity of fans, e.g., 88,000 in Alabama for Messi, 30,000 applicants for a 5,500-seat practice (with quote from John Strong).

Notable Quote (On World Cup’s Role):

“Let’s just have a five week celebration. Globalism, patriotism, fanaticism. And we’re good... a five week party, it’s a five week vacation. Doesn’t mean don’t want to go home at some point.”
— Colin (13:41)

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3. NFL Jersey Sales & The Cowboys Conundrum

(17:55)

• Top Sellers:

  • No Cowboys in the top 20, and only CeeDee Lamb at #21 in the top 50.
  • Brock Purdy (49ers), CJ Stroud (Texans), even Tyreek Hill (not currently in the league), are ranked higher than fan favorites like Dak Prescott.

• Why? The Branding Paradox:

  • Winning matters for NFL jersey sales/brand relevance, and “the Cowboys don’t win big games because they don’t play in them anymore.”
  • Compares Cowboys branding to the Chicago Cubs (who uniquely kept brand strength despite losing).

• Cowboys’ Hidden Flaw—Going Cheap on Coaches:

  • Lists a string of head coaches hired with little competition, implying Jerry Jones seeks control above success.
  • “There’s three things in life you should never go cheap on: transportation, toilet paper, and head coaches in the NFL. And Jerry goes cheap on the last one.” — Colin (20:56)
  • Cites a former Cowboys exec—everyone likes the working environment except “never take credit for anything. Jerry gets all that.”

• Summary Insight:

  • The Cowboys’ “hole” is going cheap on coaching, despite otherwise being a model organization.

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4. Basketball Deep-Dive with Channing Frye

(Starts 27:24)

Physicality & Playoff Tactics:

• Channing Frye joins to expand on playoff intensity, particularly as it relates to bigs like Wemby:

  • “For a 22-year-old, I'm shocked that he hasn't reacted sooner. His emotional competency is beyond his years.” — Channing (28:44)
  • “You can only allow people to do so much all the time to you before you say, just get the F off me, just get the F off me, right?” — Channing (29:09)

• Spurs/Knicks Example:

  • Spurs decided to be aggressive first—“you look at what Carter Bryant was doing to Cat... They decided to hit first and New York went, oh, and then tried to react.”
  • “Is it a flagrant foul? For sure. Is it worth it? 1,000%.” — Channing (29:45)
  • Critiques Knicks for lack of response after Wemby’s physical play: “No one went over there... You cannot allow your somebody else's best player to mush your best player, right?” — Channing (29:59)

Fouling, Officiating, and Playoff Offense:

• Knicks’ complaints about calls are undercut by stats—they’re simply not an aggressive free throw team.
  • “Stop it. They were hacking the second half... Don't blame it on the refs. You lost.” — Channing (30:19, 31:38)

On Stars and Usage ("Wearing Down")

• Brunson (Knicks) is showing signs of fatigue:
  • “Brunson’s got 44 more shots than any other Nick... His usage rate in the finals is higher than any player ever except MJ and LeBron, who are much bigger, stronger athletes.” — Colin (31:52)
  • “Game one is not game seven... They stopped all that body movement by putting Wemby on Josh Hart.” — Channing (32:55)
• Spurs strategy: "We’ll deal with Brunson’s inefficiencies because we trust Castle. But Cat, you can't play anymore... He needs 16 to 20 shots for them to be great for the offense to move."
• Offensive balance is crucial; Knicks need to get contributors like OG or Josh Hart to step up (go for 25-30 points).

Playoff Physicality & The "Right Amount":

• Both agree:
  • “When the playoffs happen, especially conference finals and finals, they allow more physicality. Well, who takes the brunt of that? Not Brunson, it’s Wemby.” — Colin (37:18)
  • “You are the best. What have you worked for? What have you played almost 100 games for? If I'm not going to allow you to grab and hold, and if people are holding you, get their arms off of you, right?” — Channing (37:33)

MSG & New York Basketball Culture:

• Channing reminisces on playing in Madison Square Garden:
  • “My best game was probably as a Nick. I think I had 30 against Andrew Bogut as a rookie... It was after the fight, and it was only seven of us, so I was like, well, you got to shoot.” — Channing (38:45)
• Colin and Channing reflect on why the Garden atmosphere is unique:
  • “It's theater, it's art. It's the lifeblood of New York... You’re hearing basketballs all around the city. And then the Knicks is a representation of that.” — Channing (39:29)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Colin (on the World Cup):
  “I just don’t see that as a failure... The World Cup is an every four year break from our at times tedious and monotonous sports catalog.” (12:44)
• Colin (on Cowboys coaches):
  “There’s three things in life you should never go cheap on: transportation, toilet paper, and head coaches in the NFL. And Jerry goes cheap on the last one.” (20:56)
• Channing Frye (on playoff fights):
  “You can only allow people to do so much all the time to you before you say, just get the F off me, just get the F off me, right?” (29:09)
• On NYC basketball:
  “It's theater, it's art. It's the lifeblood of New York... the Knicks is a representation of that.” — Channing Frye (39:29)
• Wemby (learning from playoffs):
  “Brace with your hands and not with your chin, hit below the head if you do... But most importantly, be relentless.” (08:30-08:49)

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Main Segment Timestamps

• NBA Big Men and Physicality / Wemby’s "Wanted Poster": 02:27 – 09:46
• World Cup in the US – Cultural Party, Not a Transformation: 09:47 – 15:15
• NFL Jersey Sales and Cowboys Branding/Coaching Flaw: 17:55 – 23:18
• NBA Playoff Chess with Channing Frye (Physicality, Tactics, MSG culture): 27:24 – 40:21

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Conclusion

Colin delivers his signature blend of humor, candor, and big-picture sports thinking—arguing that physicality is part-and-parcel for dominant NBA bigs, the World Cup should be celebrated as an epic party instead of a failed “growth” project, and the Cowboys’ chronic underachievement boils down to going “cheap” at head coach. Channing Frye supplies authentic insight on on-court physicality, playoff adjustments, and Madison Square Garden lore. Throughout, the episode maintains a conversational tone, quick banter, and Colin’s sharp, sometimes irreverent takes.

For NBA, NFL, and global sports fans, this episode delivers fresh perspective and plenty to debate.

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It should also be duly noted when Tony Kukoc came over from Europe, the. The. The reputation of European players was a little soft. And that stigma isn't true anymore, but it was out there for a long time. And American players, domestic players, will test European players, often more than our guys. They'll test them. And European players coming to foreign soil come to this country. And I'm going to give them a little bit of a break here. They really want to establish who they are. And I mean, Jokic brings his brothers to the arena like they, they. They ratchet it up. So you also have the reality that Wemby's young, he's 22 years old, and there's a lot of 31 year olds in the league. So he's international, he's young, he's getting all this attention. He's getting Ohtani attention and the NBA and the veterans, A Julius Randle here, an OG there, a Mitchell Robinson there, they're testing him. And he is passing that test with flying colors and occasionally the lion swatting the annoying bird. So the World cup starts tomorrow. I can't wait. Yesterday or the day before. Not sure. Landon Donovan very publicly criticized American soccer. He said it's a money grab. It's not about really developing younger players. And listen, this is the home of the greatest capitalism in the earth. And that's often true. That's one of the complaints I've had with AAU basketball. It's all about everybody getting paid. Tracksuit Tony getting paid, not developing our basketball players. That's why many of the great stars now are international and not American. They're not domestic because our feeder system is broken. But even if soccer got everything right, our academies were great. The MLS was popular. Instead of being on Apple tv where you lose, all your casual viewers got to pay to watch mls. I don't like that. But even if they got it all right, they're one of five popular domestic leagues. And we have a massive college sports system that, you know, other countries don't have. We have always watched the World cup, and we've always loved it, men's and women's, and we've always embraced it. The numbers have always been strong. Just like the Olympics. We don't love curling or downhill skiing necessarily, but we watch it. You wrap a flag around hockey and four nations or the Olympics or soccer or the Olympics, and we'll start watching stuff we don't normally watch. I mean, last night 88,000 people showed up in Alabama to watch Messi. That's who we are. But every time we talk about a World cup on American soil, here's what I hear. This is an opportunity to grow the game. And I don't see it as that. I see it as four to five weeks of fanaticism, patriotism, globalism, a great, great four to five week party and then we will go on with our lives. And that is absolutely not. That is absolutely okay. That is not a failure. That is not a failure. I don't think this World cup is about growing the game. If that happens, fine. I've heard that so many times. I don't think that's what it's about when you go on vacation. I just was lucky enough to be with my son in Madrid. I had a blast. And then I wanted to come home. And that didn't mean Spain wasn't amazing. Right? It was just an incredible time. And the World cup is an every four year break from our at times tedious and monotonous sports catalog. If you have so much fun watching it, we can win a knockout stage game or two and then you're like, all right, see you in four years. I just don't see that as a failure. I try to go to, you know, my mom is British. I try to go to Europe with my son, with my kids, with my wife, every single summer, sometimes twice. And then when I leave, I have great memories. I don't want to live there. That doesn't mean I like Spain less just because I don't want to live there. And it doesn't mean you don't love the World cup in soccer and our men and women, because you still like football more. That's okay. I don't think the responsibility of the World cup is to grow the game. Right now, the mls, you have to pay to watch it. It's not on Fox, espn, NBC got paid to watch it. I didn't like that move by the commissioner. I still don't. There's no casuals. Let's just have a five week celebration. Globalism, patriotism, fanaticism. And we're good. I mean, people are showing up. The tickets feel like New York Knicks, Madison Square Garden prices. John Strong yesterday on the practice vibes down in Orange County. The stadium here in Orange county seats about 5,500 people. And from what we were told, there were about 30,000 applicants to get a ticket to sit into the public practice session. And that seemed to really. I think that combined with the great crowds in Charlotte and Chicago. I think that really started to hit home. 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Channing I like going to Timbers games. Those are great. Timbers and thorns. Those are great. Those are Great games. I take my kids, they're fun, you know, have a couple IPAs and, you know, enjoy the, Enjoy the sights.

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I defended Wemby. So the New York Post this morning, and this is what the New York Post does, has, you know, Wemby on the COVID Basically, he's the new villain in New York. He should be wanted by the da and it's like, well, he's a dirty player. And I defended him. And I said, I remember Kareem Punching, Kent Benson, Jokic going after one of the Morris twins. I remember Shaq going after people. I said, when you're a big, your job is to establish position on the block. And the NBA in the postseason. Channing allows for almost ridiculous levels of physicality against bigs. And I'm like, you know what? Sometimes the lion swats a bird just because. And my take is this is part of being a big hack, a shack. And I think, I think Minnesota, okay, seeing the Knicks, they're doing the right thing. I just don't think I give bigs like you in the playoffs. I give you a lot of latitude to sometimes push back. Did you think it was over the top?

[E]

No, no, no, no, no. I think if you actually watch him and what happens to him on a day, I think for a 22 year old, I'm shocked that he hasn't reacted sooner. His emotional competency is beyond his years. If he reacts like that, that means something had to happen. Fifteen times in basketball, you can only allow people to do so much all the time to you. Before you say, just get the F off me, just get the F off me, right? If you look at that game, if I have to look back and see what the spurs said at the beginning of that game, they say, yo, we gonna F them up. We have to hate them. You look at what Carter Bryant was doing to Cat, you look at what Stephon Castle was doing to Cat, you look at when Kelden Johnson came in the game, what he was doing to their players, right? They decided to hit first and New York went, oh, and then tried to react. Now, is that a flagrant foul for sure. Is it worth it? 1,000%. And if we're looking at vets, I think one thing you see from all the vets, from Draymond Green, Stephon Marbury, myself, the problem is the reaction from the Knicks. No one went over there. Landry, Shammit, Josh Hart, you got to say something to him. You got to hit him. You got to get a flagrant foul, too. You cannot allow your somebody else's Best player to mush your best player, right?

[A]

Yeah, I. You know, it's interesting. The Knicks complained about free throw percentage.

[E]

Yeah.

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But they were 25th in the league this year in free throw attempts. This is who they were.

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They were hacking. Stop it. They were hacking the second half. They were hacking, man. Stop it. I watched every possession where they fouled and they were fouling the team. You know, everybody knows this about sports. The team that hits first when you react. The referees are going to call that right now. Is there inconsistencies? For sure. But that happens when one team, oh, we're going to be this aggressive. How much more aggressive can I get? How much more aggressive can I get? Look at okc. Everyone complains about them. Oh, OKC fouls all the time on defense. That's what good teams do. They try to get away with with as much as you can get away with. And the Knicks, let's be honest, the spurs are moving the ball, moving bodies, getting their offense going. While the New York Knicks ran last year and the year before, his offense. Based on what the spurs are doing defensively, they were just watching Jalen Brunson look at his movement. Like, how do you. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's so much movement towards the rim. That's a foul. And then like, they didn't even call this foul. That's a foul. That's a foul. There goes another foul. So to me, they didn't even call that one to me. Don't you lose one in a month. Don't blame it on the refs. You lost. Whether you lose by 4, 40, whatever it is, just acknowledge that the spurs came out with a great game plan. They came out aggressive and desperate and you didn't have enough time to react. And you didn't. You fell into their trap of, we'll make Jalen Brunson beat us and we'll take Kat and Mikael Bridges out.

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So I do think what would be concerning for the Knicks is that series are different, beginning to end. I've said this for years. Harden and Luka. If you look at Harden and Luka over the course of a season or a series, because their usage rate is so high, they wear down well. Brunson's got like 44 more shots than any other. Nick. He's a small player. His usage rate in the finals is higher than any player ever except MJ and LeBron, who are much bigger, stronger athletes. The part about the Knicks that worries me is that as the series goes on and he's already not shooting a great percentage because Castle's such a great defender. Is that Jalen looks like he is now plus, minus, minus. It does look like he's wearing down in San Antonio. It feels like Channing, they went into the series and said, listen, Brunson may eat us alive in the first game or two. This is about games five, six and seven. We're going to wear him down. That's what I saw in game three. And your take on sort of smaller ball usage. Guys, game one is not game seven.

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No, game one is not game seven dot and I felt like in game one and two, they were running their offense, they were moving bodies, they were. Guys were cutting. And what San Antonio learned is one, they need to operate on hate. And then two, they stopped all that body movement by putting Wemby on Josh Hart. Think about this. Whenever I go into a series, a playoff series or whatever, I'm looking, I go, how many guys can beat us? Really beat us, right? If we just say you. I think in my career, especially with the CAVS, there was three or four guys that could do it. Paul George, DeMar DeRozan, obviously KD, Steph Clay. When you look at this Knicks team, can you. When Brunson had 61, they lost that game. But when Cat is involved and has seven assists and 20 points and 15 rebounds, they have no chance of winning that game. So you know what I say, hey, every time OG and then Obi shoots a jumper, Josh Hart shoots a jumper. We can limit Mikhail Bridges. Let's limit Shamet. Every time Shame it gets on the court. You gotta be a defender. So your whole mind's messed up. You know, we'll deal with Brunson's inefficiencies right now because we trust Castle. But Cat, you can't play anymore. And that's what you saw last game. They were basically in a soft double, daring him. He needs 16 to 20 shots for them to be great for the offense to move. Because if you notice when he has the ball, he's looking for everybody first. He's a pass first, big at times. And then when he goes, 1, 1000, 2, 1000, okay, now it's mine. And he'll drive and get to the work. But when they double team him, he don't have that opportunity. Look at this. 1, 2, 3. Like this clip. That's. It's so hard for him to be involved defensively when he's not involved offensively. And it's a lot to put on Brunson. And Brunson is Great. But Brunson can't see to make passes when he has Stephon Castle in front because of how small he is.

[A]

That's right.

[E]

Can't see and everyone's like, why doesn't he pass? He can't see somebody's in front of his face. It's hard for him to make these passes with seven footers on him. So yeah, that was me getting hype about that.

[A]

No, no, no. Jaylen Herz, quarterback for the Eagles Tua has said this old lineman are 6, 7. I struggle seeing over our line inter, you know, between the hash mark passes. What you're basically saying is cat's got a. The cat bird seat. He's a seven foot guy. He can see, he's a tall quarterback, he can see over everybody. So going into this series, who did you like and who do you like now?

[E]

The Knicks. I like the Knicks still. I like the Knicks at the beginning. I think this is one of those make or break times they have. If you think about the big scheme of things, they are 1 in 46 days or 46 days in one. Like, let's not overreact. The, the spurs came out and they said, we're going to live with anybody else but Kat. We're going to live with anybody else but Kat being able to play this game. And it worked. The Knicks have to go back and figure out who is going to win us these next two games. And it has to be cat one game and then OG or Josh got to go for 30. And that's the truth. If OG or Josh go for 25 to 30 points, the Knicks will win because that means movement is going. That means they're aggressive. That means that they're taking advantage of their opportunity. But they have to get Cat involved so it opens up the floor. You can't have Wemby roaming around. He takes up nine feet of a basketball court. A third of the court is one human. It's like a wild stat. Yeah. Where are you going? Right. And so it's just this chess game. I'm excited about this series. I think it's great. I think there's like mental stuff going on. And again, one thing I noticed, those guys coming from the corner, they must be taught that. They must be taught truck them, truck them take that foul and mess them up. Because there's no way I've not seen that that many times. They did in the OKC series, they did it in Minnesota series, they did it in the Portland series, which are all physical teams. But if you get a Chance to run in there and elbow that dude. Do it. We'll take that foul and send a message.

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Yeah. Now you and I are on the same page on that. I say, once the NBA and they've done this in mind. I've been watching the NBA since the early 70s. When the playoffs happen, especially conference, finals and finals, they allow more physicality. Well, who takes?

[E]

As you should. Yeah. As you should, because this is the end. You are the best. What have you worked for? What have you played almost 100 games for? If I'm not going to allow you to grab and hold, and if people are holding you, get their arms off of you, right? Like, look how much they grab Wemby's arms. This is, like, in a regular season. That's a foul. This is a foul. That's a foul. And then they complain like, oh, it's not foul. It's a foul every time. It's the only way to really stop him. Right. This was actually a pretty good call technically, but probably a foul, too. But there was so much action going on. It's the best of the best. We playing outside. New Yorkers love to play outside in the park. This is outside in the park basketball, everyone. You should enjoy this opportunity to watch these two great teams play and play this chess match. And everyone's like, oh, I want it to be physical. I want it to be physical. I don't know if it could get any more physical before it turns into a fight.

[A]

That's right.

[E]

At this point, which I love. Like, let's teeter on. About to fight every single time.

[A]

By the way, what was your best game in New York as a pro when you were in the NBA? Did you ever have a night at Madison Square Garden? You. You're a visitor, you come into town, and you just. You're. You're hitting your corner. Do you remember it?

[E]

No. My best game was probably as a nick. I think I had 30. I think I had 30 against Andrew Bogut as a rookie. And then I had a really good game. It was the most shots I ever took. And I never understood how guys could shoot so much, but it was against the Pistons. I think I had, like, 28 that game, but I took 28 shots, and I was like, good gracious. How do y' all do that? It was after the fight, and it was only seven of us, so I was like, well, you got to shoot. He can't take me out.

[A]

Channing Fry. Yeah. New York's different. There's no question. It felt like there's nothing like it. It is. I've said this before, the way they light the arena, I'm just, it looks like a picture, it's like a film.

[E]

It's theater, it's art. It's the lifeblood of New York. You know, I was telling people, why is the Garden so great? Is because, number one, New Yorkers have the highest intelligence when it comes to basketball. When it's lunchtime, they just don't go sit on the bench. They go get shots up at the park. They go play five on five. Whether you're a kid or an old person, you know, you're outside, you're walking around, you're. You're hearing basketballs all around the city. And then the Knicks is a representation of that. I think the Knicks have done a great job getting New York guys on their team. They just need to punch back this next game and go back to moving bodies and not watching Brunson operate their offense. They need to get each other open.

[A]

By the way, you had three games with 30 points in Madison Square.

[E]

That's a long time. It's like 20 years ago, man. I'm getting old now.

[A]

And that wasn't the three point era. That was just working hard.

[E]

Straight Midi's brother Straight Midis.

[A]

Good seeing you, bud.

[E]

Good seeing you too. Thank you guys.

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