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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
This is the best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. It is a Wednesday. It's a Caitlin Clark Wednesday. How grateful are we? How lucky are we in June? You know, this industry is football season and waiting for football that Caitlin Clark has become a leading source of content. Or we could talk about Aaron Rodgers. I am for Caitlin Clark. J. Mack texted me last night. The gift that keeps on giving. I do think the media. The media is prone to do this. You know, the media tends to be very reactionary and the fans generally get.
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Colin Cowherd
It more than the media.
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Jason McIntyre
So I want to start with this. J. Mac. The WNBA has arrived. Caitlin Clark's gotten really good, really fast. It's like the end of year one for Michael Jordan or year three for Michael Jordan. She's gotten really good really fast. And you got to put a body on her or you got a double teamer or she's going to embarrass you. She's shooting 33 footers, and what happened last night's a byproduct of that. This is what happened to mj. She's number one and two in every offensive stat. She's hitting more threes this season than Steph Curry did in his first MVP season. And her game embarrasses you. So like men's basketball, J.C. sheldon had the task of stopping, stopping the latest superstar in her basketball league. And this thing was chatty. In the second quarter, it was chatty. They've got history. It was trash talking. And then in the third quarter, Sheldon poked her in the eye again. This is something we see all the time. They were on each other. They were talking. It was trashy. The superstar, like mj, unstoppable, poker in the eye. And that's a flagrant foul. And it should have been a flagrant foul. And then Marina Mabry. This is inappropriate. Came over, knocked her over. Many thought she should have been thrown out of the game. Well, she got it. She didn't get a technical. It's a little bad Boys Pistons with mj. For the record, Caitlin Clark got up. She wasn't hurt. She did more trash talking. She hit more threes. She remained remarkable. Just like all the great. You know, if you respect women, stop pandering. She's tough. She's Feisty, she likes to taunt and talk, and nobody quite knows what the hell to do. I mean, when Candace Parker. Ten years ago, Candace Parker led this for WNBA and assists with six a game. Caitlin Clark's not only the best guard, the best shooter, hitting 33 footers, they're flashy and kind of embarrass you. She's averaging nine assists a game. She's. She's changed the entire tempo of the sport. Forget the merchandise. That's another segment. So they don't know what to do. Hack a shack. Mike Dunlevy coaching the Blazers. We can't stop him. And we have Arvida Sabonis, Steph Curry's first couple years in the league. Thank God for Draymond Green. And by the way, this, this league, they knew what they were getting into, right? Like, like. And I'll get to this in a second, but they brought Sophie Cunningham over in a trade for a reason. She's the youngest black belt in the state of Missouri's history, six years old. They brought her over to protect Caitlin Clark because they saw this puppy coming. The league doesn't quite know what to do, but the fever did. And so again, you got to put a body on her. You got to get physical. If you go look at the history of basketball, high school, college, wnba, NBA, if there's an offensive player and they're humiliating you, Steph, Shaq, mj, Caitlin, what do you do? You can't trap her. She'll dribble through it. You got to put a body on her. You got a double teamer. You try to get in her head with trash talking. It's not working at all. It's the ultimate compliment in my opinion. But take a deep breath. Caitlin bounced up the eye couldn't have been gouged that violently because she could see just fine draining jumpers after. Do I think it crossed a line? Yeah, that's why we had a flagrant foul and a technical. And do I think the officials are trying to figure out how quite to officiate her? Yes. I was at the Blazers Lakers series in Los Angeles. I know where I was sitting behind the basket when Kobe hit Shaq for the slam dunk. And I looked over at Bob Wits at the time, the GM of the Blazers, and thought we had Arvida Sabonas with the Blazers. We couldn't stop him. They didn't know how to officiate him. This is what happens when a superstar emerges. And here is the coach of the Fever after.
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WNBA Coach
This is what happens, right? This is what happens, you've got competitive women who are the best in the world at what they do, right. And when you allow them to play physical and you allow these things to happen, they're going to compete and they're going to have their teammates backs. It's exactly what you expect right out of, out of fierce competition. So I started talking to the officials in the first quarter and we knew this was going to happen. They got to get control of it. They got to be better. They got to be better.
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Mark Sanchez
Can you specifically detail what you mean by get control of the game?
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Jason McIntyre
Just to be in your words, get.
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WNBA Coach
Control of the game is call the fouls that are actually happening on the floor.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, so. And again, let's go to the next level on this. So everybody's going to be okay. There was a technical, there was a flagrant. And the officials in the wa are kind of figuring out, how do we, how do we officiate this thing? Okay. They've never had a Caitlin Clark. How do we officiate this thing? How do we officiate Shaq? How do we officiate Curry when they're coming after him? How do we officiate bad boys tackling what's legal? Finally, the NBA stepped in and said, no hand checking. Nope. No, you know, forearm in the back. Like this stuff is a work in progress. And so the first year Caitlin Clark was in the wnba, they were hazing her. They're not hazing her anymore. They're just trying to figure out how the hell to stop her. It's not hazing. It's all right. Traps, pressure. So the Fever saw it coming. They went and got Sophie Cunningham, 6 year old black belt. This is what the Bulls did with Charles Oakley to protect Michael Jordan. And I said this last year several times, the WNBA is not a vertical league. Their players can't jump over each other to score like the NBA. It's a horizontal, chippy league. And you didn't watch the NBA for the last 10 to 12 years. It has always been physical and always been chippy. They, you get into a lot of collisions because they don't. There's no John Morant here. There's no Aunt Edwards. They don't jump over. It's a horizontal, physical league. And Caitlin Clark now is like kerosene to the physicality flame. So you have physicality in this league and now you get this flashy player and they don't know how to officiator. They don't know how to defend her. But I would say when I hear this Colin. Colin. Colin. The NBA, the wnba. Colin has got to do something. Yes, they do understand this is the arc of a new superstar in your league. It'll start with hazing. It'll go to physicality. It'll go to flagrants. It may go to technicals. You'll eventually have to get a Sophie Cunningham or a Charles Oakley. I mean, Wayne Gretzky did this for years. They figured it out in hockey. How do you stop Gretzky? Oh, we can't. How do you stop mj? We can't. How do you stop Caitlin Clark? You guys understand, this is the worst she'll ever be. She's getting better and they can't stop her. And so. But I also want you to watch this because I've always said this. The media may overreact to stuff the fans and American public usually doesn't watch the retaliation later by Sophie Cunningham. And again, this is inappropriate, right? No, it's what happens in basketball. But I want you to watch as this scrum is going on, watch the fans behind Sophie Cunningham. Watch them. They're smiling, they're engaged. They're happy. They're not horrified. The Indiana fans understand what they're seeing. It's part of the process. They went, those people in Indiana, they've gone to the Knick games and Spike Lee and Reggie Miller, they watched the Heat. Look at the. Look at the fans. They're grabbing their phones, they're taking pictures. I'm thinking the whole night. Did Nick Khan take over the wnba? We got a little WWE going on.
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Colin Cowherd
Here.
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Jason McIntyre
And the fans get it. The media, in my opinion, the media does a disservice. Sports media, political media, by overreacting to everything. And the Indiana fans are like, this is fun. This is real. The wnba. Now, you go to those games, there are nights the fever outdrew the Pacers. Pacers are in the finals. So the fans here are not freaking out. They're booing. Honest to God, it feels like a little, you know, sports isn't terrible if it's got a little wwe. And basketball, like international soccer, has always been personality and star driven. And when new stars emerge, I can remember Christian Pulisic, his first World cup and some of the, quote, friendlies. They were tackling him and never been an American can do that. He'd play Mexico, maybe Canada. What do you do when a star emerges? You can't stop them. Their game is flashy. It goes from hazing to physicality to flagrance to ejections. It's part of it. The only Good thing about getting old, and I'm not that old, but I'm kind of old is you've seen all this stuff before. I've seen this, like eight times. I saw it in hockey with Gretzky. So listen, if you watch Gordon Ramsay, the greatest chef in the world, right? Or one of them, it gets toxic in that kitchen. John Taffer in bar rescue. It gets toxic.
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Colin Cowherd
Change.
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Jason McIntyre
People don't like change, but intensity and heat create steel. This will only make Caitlin Clark a better player. It will only make the Fever more championship ready. And the Indiana fans, good for you. You're going to have the great watch of the next 15 years, because they're never trading her. She's the Steph Curry. They're never trading her. She starts here, college here or near here. And by the way, that whole scrum and that retaliation and the delays in the game that everybody's freaking out over Caitlin Clark's like, can we get back to playing?
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Caitlin Clark
Honestly, the review took too long for me. I wanted to get playing basketball again, and that's exactly what I did the rest of the third quarter. I made all three free throws, and then I, you know, it was a tough three. I was excited about a three. And, you know, honestly, I got to give our crowd a lot of credit, too. I thought they were tremendous. You know, they're cheering for us. They had our back. And I'm a passionate player, but at the end of the day, like, I'm here to play basketball, and that's what it is. And my game's going to talk, and that's all. All that really matters. And I love this game, and I'm going to give it everything I have. So I think that's what competitors do. You just step right back up to the challenge.
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Jason McIntyre
That's what competitors do. That's what they do. Let's not pander. Let's not protect. Understand the wnba. I have been to a couple WNBA games. The league wasn't nearly as good or watchable. Fifteen years ago, people could lead the league in assists with five or six. Now you've got multiple players at nine and 10. People are shooting 33 footers. Watch a WNBA game if. Go watch the highlights on YouTube of this game. Look at the passing, look at the physicality, look at the shooting. This league is growing in front of our eyes. Now. Caitlin Clark is obviously the jet fuel. Half the audience goes when she's not there, but that's okay. It took Conor McGregor to the UFC and Jon Jones it. Sometimes in emerging leagues, it takes a Superstar. And now. And now. You know, America is all into ufc, but it does take sometimes these special athletes and it, it can be. Get really, really bumpy. But if you really respect all these amazing women's athletes, then take a deep breath. Nobody got hurt. J. Mac, that was so fun. By the way, if you do go to the YouTube WNBA highlights, they edit out the fighting part. Well, of course they do. So you have to go get that separately. But the point is, you're old enough to know. I mean, those Knicks teams with Pat Riley, those were tackling exercises for years. There's videos of Kurt Rambis being slammed to the floor. Right. This stuff was. And I think fans know this. You know, when, that, when, when Sophie Cunningham comes down and tackles the girl, it's like, hey, I'm protecting my star. And my take was, this is the process we want to make. We're going to let you know at the end of the game, you're not getting out of this arena without us retaliating. That is a message to every other WNBA team. You're going for a driving layup. You treat our player like that. This is how we're going to treat yours. That may get a technical, but that was a message and that's okay.
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Guest Analyst
So the Lakers, Kurt Ramba stuff in the 80s, the teams didn't like each other. They were rivals.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Guest Analyst
This, Colin is different. This is many players around the league not liking Caitlin Clark or they're jealous of her success. You know, I know people tried to make this a racial thing. Well, what happened last night was not racial. That's just hate. And just. They just don't like Caitlin Clark. They don't like the attention she's getting. I mean, the eye poke was so blatant. And the announcer, as soon as Caitlin Clark got knocked over was like, oh, she's gonna get ejected. They didn't eject the girl.
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Jason McIntyre
Can you believe that I say this? I wouldn't have been bothered if she was ejected. I'm not bothered that she wasn't. It's obviously a cheap shot. Yeah, it's a cheap shot. Caitlin Clark, by the way, got right back up, you know, still. Yeah, I just, I, I think in the reality of this is. Yes, obviously that's a cheap shot.
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Guest Analyst
Yeah, but what do you think the league wants, Colin? Kaitlyn Clark splashing 30 foot, three pointers or three scrums in the, in the Sun Fever game?
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Jason McIntyre
They don't want this.
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Guest Analyst
This doesn't.
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Jason McIntyre
I think the. I think everybody's figuring out this jigsaw puzzle and it's, it just takes a while. When Michael Jordan came in, I mean, you're, you're watching this stuff. And David Stern saying, oh, my God, this guy's making our league global. He's selling more shoes than any player in the history of the world. And David Stern's like, we have to protect him. But yet the Pistons tackled him for years. And David Stern, the late David Stern, step back, let it play out. Didn't protect Michael. Knew eventually they changed some officiating. Michael, by the way, in year two, got hurt, broke his foot. So he had year one and year three. So again, we all want immediate. The sports can be very similar to politics. We all want answers today. And everything's a process. We prepare for our show. It's a process. You. 90% of sports is practice, not games. Right. We only see the games. You didn't see Michael Jordan punch Steve Kerr. We did see Draymond punch pool, because we have phones now. But there's a lot of stuff that happens among teams. Teams fight amongst themselves in camp. We don't see most of that. So we're so shocked when we see that bump. I got news for you. You can find scrums in the WNBA 10 years ago. They don't jump over each other. That's not what this league is. They bang into each other.
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Guest Analyst
Yeah. By the way, everybody's going to see this Caitlin Clark stuff. Oh, when's the next game? Guess where their game is televised on Thursday. Amazon Prime?
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Jason McIntyre
Almost.
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Guest Analyst
The Patrick Mahomes Chiefs, Travis Kelce, Taylor Swift effect. Caitlin Clark on Amazon prime on Thursday.
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Jason McIntyre
So exciting. We've got more. Plus, LeBron being a bit of a hypocrite. It's the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
So I think I'm overwhelmingly positive with LeBron. I think most of the greats of all time, very positive with. But, but there are times where he kind of plays the victim. I think he spends too much time on his phone sometimes. But here's a prime example. So he has a, a podcast called Mind the Game with Steve Nash. Now it used to be with JJ Redick and he said something and it just, it's just projecting. And so let's, let's go to the clip.
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LeBron James
I don't know why I was discussed so much in our sport and why is the a all be all of everything like, okay, you weren't a great player if you never won a championship. It's like you sit here and tell me, you know, Allen Iverson and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you know, our wasn't unbelievable. Like, oh, they can't be talked about or discussed with these guys because this guy won one ring or won two rings or one. Like, it's just, it's just weird to me.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, Nobody says Charles Barkley's not amazing. Nobody says Allen Iverson's not amazing. Nobody says Dan Marino is not amazing. But Barkley is an MJ and Marino's not Brady, even though he was more Talented. And the reason is the trophies. And LeBron knows that. LeBron has no chance to win a trophy with the current Laker roster. So now they don't matter. He spent his entire career pursuing titles. You think he went to Miami to land the beach? He went there for Riley and Spoelstra and a better owner and a better roster. He didn't go west. He stayed in the weak east to keep getting to finals. LeBron pursued finals and Michael. Six for six. For years he's talked about idolizing Michael. What's the stat? What stat do we talk about with Michael? If I said to you, how many total points did Michael score? You don't know. How many division titles did Michael win? You don't know. How do you do in the finals?
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Colin Cowherd
Six for six.
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Jason McIntyre
That's his number, right? That's his number. And so. And he's been doing this for years, playing this angle. It's projecting its straw man arguments. And I love LeBron. I really do. I like the people around LeBron. But let's go back to years ago. So LeBron's saying the rings are overrated. No, they're not. And nobody's saying you have to have them to be great, to. To be the all time great. You gotta have them. So here's LeBron with another guy like Rich Paul on More Than an Athlete podcast. This was after he had won that ring, the only one in Cleveland.
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LeBron James
That one right there made me the greatest player of all time. I was super, super ecstatic to win one for Cleveland because of the 52 year drought. Like, I was ecstatic. Like, obviously I showed that. The first wave of emotion was once. Y' all, everyone saw me crying. Like, that was all for 52 years, everything, sports going on in Cleveland. And then after I stopped, I was like, that one right there made you the greatest player of all time.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, wait, why would that be? I mean, it was just another game, right? It was just another win. I mean, why would that take you from great to the greatest player of all time? Oh, the ring. So back when he was. He knew he had a chance to win several more. The ring mattered. He was still back then, hey, can he surpass Michael and get to 6, 7, 8 now? He can't now. Rings don't matter. Rings absolutely are the difference. Dan Marino was bigger, stronger, and more talented than Brady. Brady got the trophies. That's the difference. Favre was more athletically talented than Brady. Brady got the trophies. Aaron's probably more gifted. Josh Allen is. Brady's got the trophies. Nobody's saying that Marino or Josh Allen aren't talented. I think Josh Allen's the most talented football player in the world. But Mahomes has the trophies and we can contextualize it. Why they matter. I'm not a huge Brock Purdy fan, but if he had two trophies, I'd have to acknowledge he's a different player. He's just better than I think. So it does matter. And Michael and LeBron knows it matters. He himself is saying, yeah, when I won that, that final that took me from best player in the league, maybe greatest of all time to greatest of all time. Just that ring. So that let's not create strawman arguments. We all know the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and a couple of them have no Super Bowls or one. Right?
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Jason McIntyre
But you, you talk the all time greatest. It's Peyton and it's Brady and it's Montana. Montana was a third round pick. Third or fourth. He wasn't the most talented guy. Some of it was Bill Walsh and Jerry Rice. It doesn't matter. You get him. We. I mean, Eli Manning was never a good regular season quarterback. He's going to get into the hall of Fame because he beat Brady and Belichick twice in Super Bowls and made two of the most iconic throws. Otherwise, how many Pro Bowls, how many great regular See the difference between Philip Rivers, a really good regular season quarterback, and Eli Manning? Not so hot. But two rings is the trophies, so it obviously matters. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Colin Cowherd
Summer is here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some French fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered. Don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. At the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
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All right, here we go. It is hour two, first hour. A lot of Cape and Clark live in Chicago. It's the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. So in order to have, in my opinion, a great rivalry, both teams have to win Ohio State. Purdue is not a great rivalry. Ohio State wins too many of them. When Michigan starts beating Ohio State regularly, it takes a great rivalry and makes it even better. So you got to go back and forth. Yankees, Red Sox is. I mean, come on, the Red Sox keep trading away all their best players to the National League West. That's not. Nobody cares about the Red Sox anymore, okay? Except people in Boston. The best rivalry in baseball is Dodgers. Padres. Since Ohtani arrived, they've played 23 games. The Dodgers have won 12. The Padres have won 11. The eras, the runs are almost identical. The Dodgers have 26 home runs. The Padres have 27. Both are star studded teams. The difference is the Dodgers have trophies. The Dodgers have more big superstars. The Dodgers are a wealthier, richer franchise and more iconic. But when these two teams meet, and last night's another example, they cannot stand each other. Some of its proximity, Big brother, little brother. But last night the Dodgers hit Tatis, a great player, in the back. And then, you know, you'll see the tape. And then eventually, you know, the Padres go after Ohtani throwing it at his leg. And the Dodgers have so many stars, half the lineups a star. There's a lot of big dogs to go after. And this gets Dave Roberts all worked up. Roberts. Last year, Manny Machado, the former Dodger, now a Padre, threw a baseball in the direction of the, you know, the Dodgers dugout. So this is an incredibly intense rivalry. I don't want to hear the Cowboys and the Giants are a rivalry. They both stink. Chiefs, Bills, Chiefs, Ravens, Bills, Ravens. That's a rivalry. And so this is baseball's best. They are star studded lineups. The National League along with the Mets is stacked. And you can see the animosity. Padre fans will buy tickets and go up to Los Angeles. Dodger Stadium. Dodger Stadium. Dodger fans will drive down I5 and, you know, flood the Padres ballpark. It is absolutely fantastic. And a lot of it's just proximity. But one franchise has so much young talent. Not a lot of them rich yet, but a lot of young talent. And the Dodgers, they're going to go out and just, they're going to. They're going to buy Mookie Betts and pay Freddie Freeman and. And go buy. I mean, the Dodgers have so much money, they'll go trade for pitchers who they know have arm injury history. They just want him for big spots in September and October. So there's a ton of animosity in this series last night. Once again, it's cats and dogs living together. And here's Dave Roberts.
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Dave Roberts
Absolutely. I mean, this guy, he hasn't come close. And for me, it's like, if they feel that's warranted on their side, part of baseball, if that's what they feel, and I give them credit because they hit him in the leg, own it, and we move on. But it's not a misfire. I do feel it was intentional. And again, that's part of baseball, which we all understand.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Three of the last five years, they have met in the postseason. And we said this last year, the National League playoffs last year were crazy. You could not turn it off. The. It was palpable. The Phillies, the Dodgers, the Mets, the pot. The National League right now is like the NBA's Western Conference. It's insanely good and deep and rich. And this. This is the best rivalry. It is really intense. And, you know, Manny Machado said after the game, he's like, man, they got a lot of big dogs. They got a lot of guys you can throw out if you want to get into. You throw at us, we throw at you. We got a lot. We got a lot of young guys. They got a lot of stars. They got a lot of hall of Fame guys we can throw out. So if you want to play that game, we're ready to play that game. But it's amazing. 23 times they have met since Ohtani arrived. 23 times. Dodgers 12 wins. Padres 11, Dodgers 27. Home runs, Padres 26. The runs are like 112 to 108. ERA 44 to 4 2. It's incredible how close the series is, but at the end of the year, the Dodgers have had just a little more maybe bullpen depth or middle, bottom of the order depth, and have prevailed in really fascinating series with that Mark Sanchez, who knows all about this rivalry in Southern California. It's crazy. I mean, it used to be Giants, Dodgers, when you and I, you know, 10, 15 years ago. Now it's. Now it's Dodgers, Padres. So let's start with this. Congratulations. First of all, you just had twins, your lovely wife. You are a dad. You are now. You're probably sleeping a little less, but I want to start and say congratulations to you and your family. Yeah, I can see that a little bit, buddy. Congratulations.
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Mark Sanchez
Thank you very much. She. She's a superstar, and I'm glad she did the delivery portion. I was there to catch and, you know, throw them in that little incubator, whatever you bake them back to normal with. And it was. It was intense. But it's been a great couple months, and suffice to say, I'm ready for a little football. Maybe a road trip, go call a game or something. Might be good right about now, so.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, congratulations. Congratulations. You know, I was. I was. We've talked about Aaron Rodgers. Aaron didn't need this move for the money, the fame, or the legacy. He's a Hall of Famer, first ballot. He's rich. He didn't need it for anything. My take is he loves football and he wants to play football, and he respected Mike Tomlin, and that's okay. I don't see him as a Super bowl team, but if you can. I mean, to me, I don't see why you'd play. You've had a major injury. I think it just comes down to. Sometimes Aaron gives off the vibe that he doesn't need football, but I think he loves football, and I think he likes playing it, and he's good at it. What is your take on him playing maybe just one more year?
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Mark Sanchez
I think there's two real things you got to look at and dissect when you're talking about Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers. I think there's the performance side, which we can circle back to, but then there's also, like, this cultural fit in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is one of those iconic brands, and the only way I can kind of relate that way is. Is the way USC is. You know, there's this iconic global brand that everybody recognizes, and you're either one of them or you're not. It's a us or them mentality. Philly's kind of like that. You know, there's some iconic places that. That have this mentality and this give off this vibe. Well, Aaron's a little different, and he's technically an outsider. You know, he's not. Steelers, like, they breed their own talent. We don't go hire and acquire mercenaries to help us win games. We get our talent, we draft our talent, we scout our talent. That's what we do. You're one of us or you're not. So he's battling against that in the public eye because he's an outspoken guy. You know, he was villainized. Whether right wrong or indifferent during the whole Covid thing and immunizes, immunization, et cetera, whatever. Regardless, the circumstances are what they are. And so there's some of that. And when we circle back to performance, is this blue collar city going to accept Aaron Rodgers, who's outspoken, a little brash at times, you know, a little counterculture, a little against the grain, for good or for bad? I'm not opining on those things. Whatever he wants to do, will they accept him? Now we circle back to performance. If he puts up his same stat line that he had last year, especially the last 10, 10 games of the year, he went on a heater and kept the jets alive for a lot of the end of the season last year with very little help from the defense and especially special teams. They lost at least three games just with field goal kicking alone. So they're really, really struggling and he was kind of keeping them afloat. If he can post those same numbers, that's a contender right there. All you got to do is make the tournament. Just ask me. I did it. We did it at 9 and 7. My rookie year in 09, we back into the playoffs and we go on a run. That's all he needs to do. And that sounds easy, but the guy threw for almost 4,000 yards coming off an Achilles last year he threw for 63% completion percentage. I mean, 28 touchdowns, 11 picks. The guy has plenty left in the tank. That's after an Achilles. So you tell me he's got a defense and some sort of a running game, some weapons like a DK Metcalf. I mean, there's pieces there. He's got to go through a tough division. That's a tough road to hoe, but he knows how to play in the cold. He's done this a million times. I like the move. I think it has a real chance. It's got legs. And you know, whether we're talking about the acceptance of the city of Pittsburgh or his performance, I think they will be tethered together. And the performance, once you perform, people's tolerance seems to skyrocket.
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Jason McIntyre
So I want to ask you about Caleb Williams. So I have had this belief that if you go look at his first year at usc, he played within a system, and the first six games of his second year, he played within a system. And then Mark, starting with that blowout loss at South Bend, his last six USC games into his first year with Chicago, it's not been good. So my take has been, is that USC's O line at the end of his final year at usc, he didn't trust and Lincoln didn't trust, and he got into some bad habits of hero ball. He knew he was going to be the number one pick to protect himself. I would have done the same thing. And I don't think Lincoln trusted the offensive line, so he let him do that to kind of survive. He goes to Chicago, massive chaos on the coaching staff. They can't help him or protect him. Again, kind of bad habits. So I think Ben Johnson's primary job is, hey, I gotta clean this kid up. I love this kid. But I do think it's fair that he's had about a year and a half between USC's O line and the Bears, that it's survival mode. And none of us grow during survival mode. We're just trying to get through it. So I see him as a brilliant quarterback who. It's more of a. He needs a cleaning at more than an elevation. You tell me, as a guy who played in this league, does that make sense at all?
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Mark Sanchez
I think you're. You're really on the right track. And with somebody that talented, the trick. For somebody as talented as Ben Johnson has shown to be, and efficient and successful as Ben Johnson has shown to be, he's got to find a way to separate, you know, those impulsive decisions where the ball goes into harm's way, where you're holding the ball in one hand and don't see the defensive end running behind you. When it's time to just operate within the system and keep the car in the center lane 55 miles an hour, right down the center of the highway, punt on fourth and six, you know, gain yards on third and 15, backed up in your own territory, not trying to play hero ball and throw the pick six from your own 20. Those kind of plays, I think he's had a chance to try and work out of his system. And Ben Johnson's job is to separate. When it's time to be Superman and go throw on the cape, and when it's time to be Clark Kent and just operate the offense, call the place, and execute the plays that I'm. I'm calling. Whatever I say in the helmet, I'm going to give you two options. Just pick the best option and one. Sometimes both of those options suck. Pick the one that sucks less. That's it. That's all I need you to do right now. Now on fourth and nine in the, you know, divisional round, on the road, when you got to make a play. Hell yeah, dude. Let's go. This is the play. This is where we're starting. It's like an essay prompt, right? This is how. This is the starting point. But you're going to take this essay and this play wherever the heck you want. We need a big play. You're our guy. We trust you. So it's figuring out how to connect with him and get him to operate in those modes. And it's one of the most exhausting things to do as a quarterback because you have to keep all of those numbers in your head, down in distance, time of the game situation, score, the play clock. You know, we're not just out here running plays for people's health. We have an objective. There's a purpose. When the play caller calls a play. So the sooner he can get him to understanding the purpose of each play in that specific situation of that specific game, this kid, the talent will take over for everything else. Look at a guy like Matthew Stafford. He plays a lot different today than he did when he threw the ball to Calvin Johnson into double coverage his first five years in the league. It's just a different mentality now. He's an extension of the coaching staff on the field. That's where they're trying to get Caleb Williams because he's got on talent like dripping off out of his whole body. I mean, he's got the talent you want from any of your quarterbacks. Now it's about getting him to understand how to play, when to make the. To make the risky throw, when to cut it loose and when to cut bait. Move on with your life. Punt the ball. All right, let's regroup. We'll get them next drive. And. And that's really one of the hardest things to accomplish as a quarterback, that impulse control, because you have all the town.
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Jason McIntyre
I want to. I want to end with this. I. One of the things about being a great team like Oklahoma City Thunder, they have prioritized the right stuff. Defense, get the ball to SGA and defense, everybody's on the same page. We need a shot defense. And I think prioritizing in business, in sports, in life, it could be a political campaign. What are we prioritizing? So when Jen Cohen and before her, USC prioritized, we're making $30 million a year from the Pac 12. We can't compete with the big dogs in the Big Ten, in the SEC that are making $80 million a year. So USC prioritized. We're going to change conferences. It worked. They. Everybody in the building knew, guys, we can't compete. We got $30 million TV contracts. Okay? Then the second thing, they're in the conference. Here comes Jen Cohen, takes over for Mike Bone. And then Jen prioritizes Lincoln. We got to get the nil up and we got to get to the playoff. And so now there's potential games in Oregon, in Washington, at Penn State, at Michigan, Ohio State. No more Washington states and Oregon states. So USC is saying we don't want a South Bend game after a Penn State, Ohio State game. We may play a. But on our terms. We're in a conference you're not early in the year. And so I am defending usc where all the tradition. Your entire conference ended. Stop with a tradition talk. You can pay high school football players. Stop that. I do defend USC saying, we are prioritizing getting into the Big Ten, get the nil up and get to the playoffs. Well, guess what? A fourth cold weather game hurts your chances to get into the playoffs. Do you defend USC saying, hey, Notre Dame's history. It's not the end of the world. Or are you old school? You gotta play the Irish annually?
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Mark Sanchez
Well, the whole idea was to bring the country together, right? To make the country smaller in the inception of this game and have this rivalry kind of almost cross country, if you will. Right. And I think it served that purpose. I think it's been a beautiful tradition. The issue there is, my understanding at least, was we'd always play at Notre Dame in like September, October, latest was October. And we'd always play them at home. That was in South Bend. We'd always play them at home in Los Angeles, in the Coliseum, right around Thanksgiving. Ish. Because of the weather. And that was just kind of set up forever ago because that's the way it is. We want beautiful weather. We'd like to have a competitive game. We probably don't want the 3 nothing snow game in a blizzard. That doesn't, you know, attract viewers. That doesn't make this game fun and exciting. So I understand all of those points. I think it would. There would be something missing if you don't see UCLA and Notre Dame on the schedule. I think that's a little strange as a USC former UFC player, but it's not the end of the world because you might end up finding them in the playoffs anyway. That sounds like it's just, it's. It's a tough one to just kind of sever ties, you know what I mean? There's like, that one takes a while to really rebound from, I guess emotionally, you know, you just kind of. You're going to miss that. There's something to it. It's a beautiful tradition. I enjoyed being a part of it and it meant something to both sides and that's what made it fun. On a totally separate note, I think what you said about Jen Cohen is spot on. I think the position that USC's in this year, especially with Chad Bowden, I don't know if you've had a chance to talk to him, but the GM there now, yeah, is lights out. And it's really. You're getting the same messaging from Jen, Chad Bowden and Coach Riley and everybody's rowing that boat in the same direction. It feels good. It sounds right. That 26 class looks incredible. This is going in a way that gets me as a former player, really excited. And I think Chad Bowden, after the success he's had at Notre Dame, I think he's going to want to play those guys. You know, I think he would miss playing those guys. And he's the one who really started to turn that thing around there. Got the right players with the right attitude that wanted to be a part of that Notre Dame tradition. Now he's getting those guys that want to be a part of this SC tradition. So this is going to take a lot off of Lincoln's plate and let him be that play caller. Let him hyper focus and singularly focus on third downs, red zone, get these guys in the right position and let our athletes take over. Chad's going to get you the athletes. Chad Bell is going to get all the players. He's got the connects with everybody. He's going to lock down California and none of the good players should be leaving this state. You play for the SC interlock on your chest and on your helmet. That's a big deal. And so he's reminding the people of that. So there's been a revitalization, it feels like, and hopefully Notre Dame is still a part of the schedule.
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Jason McIntyre
Mark Sanchez, great seeing you get rest.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
On the. On the. On the twins and your life and the next chapter of a great life so far. Good luck, buddy.
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Mark Sanchez
Appreciate you, man. Thank you.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it is interesting. If you look at the playoffs going to be extended, is it 14 teams now? If you look at Notre Dame schedule, because they're not a full member of a conference, usc, excuse me, Notre Dame is going to get into that tournament a lot. If Marcus Freeman's the coach, he's, you know, when Brian Kelly left, we're like, we think he'll be good. He's a great recruiter. Is he a good coach. Yeah, he's a good coach. So Notre Dame's getting into that thing. I don't worry about Notre Dame getting into the playoff. USC out of the Big Ten, I don't know. But they, they, the idea they wouldn't meet, they could meet regularly. Notre Dame is going to be getting into that playoff. The more it gets expanded, the more it ensures that because of all these big teams, the Bamas, Georgia's Notre Dame controls their schedule to a higher degree. That's why they signed a 12 year contract with Clemson. They need big games. They don't have enough of them on their schedule. Usc, Georgia, lsu, Ohio State, those, those teams. You want some breathers? You know, you want to lay up occasionally. Notre Dame's got plenty of those. They have to schedule up sometimes. The big boys schedule down in the major conferences.
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