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Colin Cowherd
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Thanks. Capital One Bank Guy what's in your wallet? Terms apply see capital1.com bank capital1 NA member FDIC thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. All right, it is Monday after the draft and with the NBA playoffs revving up, look at those T Wolves. Lakers in trouble and reeling. We are live. It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening one hour from from now. Colin was right. Colin was wrong. We have plenty of both. Well, J. Mac, it's funny. I have said this for a long time. I've been saying this for about a decade. You never get lied to more in our business than a month before the NFL draft. I've said that a hundred times. You get so much misinformation fed to you. As Mel Kuiper a month before the NFL draft so a lot of stories we start with this. As Shadour Sanders was sliding, suddenly stories started to pop out from Justina Anderson, Todd McShay, Jonathan Jones, NFL Insider for CBS Stuff that wasn't out there as much pre draft. I mean we knew that legendary draft room. We could see that was a bit cringe. But when people were starting to explain, well, what happened? Well, stories started coming out that he sandbagged certain interviews or was brash. Bruce Feldman wrote an article that I read. He not only didn't compete at the Senior bowl or NFL scouting combine, a former NFL quarterback coach Feldman spoke was Sunday morning said not surprising. The intel I was getting on Sanders was shocking. He had no self awareness. So why did he drop? Am I surprised? Shocked actually. I would have taken him if I was the Steelers. But between his dad Dion, who has many friends in the media saying during the super bowl on multiple interviews we will dictate terms we will not play for certain teams. And then between Sanders, Shadour sandbagging interviews, that probably explains it. So I'll tell you after this show Friday before round two, I talked to two different times an executive in the league asking questions, what do you think will go? He's in this executive said to me, he said if he doesn't go in the first six to eight picks at the top of the second round, then people view him as a backup. And I and I'll quote it here, I'm not sure how many teams want that circus in the building. As a backup. Remember Tim Tebow, celebrity backup, a mess in New York. Bill Belichick made a decision once Mac Jones beat him out in New England. Remember they let Cam go. Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback. Especially when Dion the dad waited until mid to late March to say, okay, now anybody can draft my son. So now was I surprised? Yes. Pittsburgh doesn't have a quarterback in a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. I mean I don't know who their their quarterback is, but Daniel Jeremiah, a former three Time Scout on the NFL Network made a very interesting point. Jeremiah is really good at what he does. He was quoted as saying that the one quarterback that he thought was similar to Shador Sanders was Kenny Pickett. And what Daniel Jeremiah said, well, they did Kenny Pickett and they got burned. And they may have looked at it and said, yeah, we've done that kind of quarterback before. Not a big arm moves. Okay, okay. Decent numbers. Yeah, we're going to pass on that. And Pittsburgh did. Remember, Shador Sanders also said this. Words matter. People listen. He said this at the NFL combine. Shador said, quote, if you ain't trying to change the franchise, the culture don't get me. Teams listened. They didn't get him. So the league sent out a very clear message. Cam Ward was indisputably the best prospect and maybe close to an A prospect, but everybody else was a B and a C prospect. And in life, if you're not an A, then you have to get the intangibles. Right? Right. You're intangibles for Dak Prescott. Dax never thrown an A ball, but he was an A with intangibles. That Brock Purdy Small, not a great app. A plus plus with intangibles. People are telling you they didn't like some of Shador's intangibles. Remember March and April? NFL doesn't owe you anything. March and April are job interview months. And in February and early March, Dad Dion was saying, we'll set terms. There are teams he won't play for. So I don't think this is all on Shador. But, you know, it's. Somebody made a point this morning in our staff meeting. It's almost like you're a young actor and you'd only ever been in your dad's movies, and then you interviewed with some other directors to finally not be in one of your dad's movies. And you kind of lack self awareness and turn some people off. So when I hear he sandbagged interviews or was not a professional from people I trust, that goes a long way in explaining it. And I believe I said this years ago about backup quarterbacks. I said this more than once. A perfect backup quarterback is a guy that could go to the local mall, put sunglasses and a baseball hat on, walk through the mall, and nobody would bother him. Nobody would recognize him. Your starting quarterback in the NFL is going to be a star. All right? All starting quarterbacks in their towns are stars. A backup, nobody wants a celebrity. And so that's the downside. I don't blame Only shedeur. But when you hear he sandbag interviews. That's what dad did. Dion sandbag interviews. Legendarily sandbagged interviews. Bragged about sandbagging interviews. But Dion was an A plus plus plus prospect. The best corner of all time. Everybody knew going into this draft that sure wasn't a great arm guy. I would have drafted him. Not a mobile guy. I would have drafted him. I was shocked by it and I was told be very if he doesn't go in the first six to eight picks in the top of the second round, people are telling you they see him as a backup. Peter Schrager used to work here, now works at espn. Also brought up an interesting point. Dion has worked for so many media outlets and has so many friends in the NFL, you know, nobody wanted to give him the truth. Your son's okay. And then once. The noise. Noise scares a lot of teams, especially at one position. The discussions are always different about quarterbacks than non quarterbacks. When I talk to NFL people, we always talk about toughness. We talk about productivity and speed and vertical. When you talk about quarterbacks, it's leadership. Will guys follow him over a hill? Is he a foxhole guy? The conversation changes. So. And I got a lot of different thoughts on this where I actually defended on something that I thought he did a really good job on. But Cleveland drafted him. There are those that believed that the GM and the coach didn't want to draft him. They'd already drafted a quarterback and Jimmy Haslam, the owner, stepped in like he did with desean Watson. Needless regardless, here's Andrew Barry on the pick. Once it got to a point where it felt like it was at, you know, a pretty steep discount, we just felt like, hey, especially relative to the alternative ways that we could use the selection. This made the most sense. All right, more on that in a bit. Their reaction was stoic, to be honest. Not the most excited looking draft room, to be honest. Okay, so the Lakers are in big trouble. They pushed all their chips in against Minnesota. For the first time in NBA playoff history, a team played only five players in an entire half. They never subbed. Call it the death lineup. And eventually it was for them. Meanwhile, Minnesota, a deeper, bigger roster with far more dexterity, far more options. The Lakers. J.J. redick basically told you our roster has limitations. There's an old saying in the NBA in the playoffs that you play eight guys, but you trust seven. JJ Redick played five guys and trusted four. And they almost pulled it off. But did you notice that LeBron looked tired by the end he didn't score in the fourth quarter. And Luca looked tired at the end. Never been in the world's best shape. And here was Ant Edwards once again. If you go look at fourth quarter numbers in this series, Luca against Ant Edwards, the Minnesota Timberwolves without question. Points, assists, rebounding, field goal percentage. The best player in the fourth quarter in this series has consistently been Ant Edwards. That's how you win a playoff series. And in quickly maturing, quickly defining basketball player. So the T Wolves are deeper and Edwards is the best player. But I think more than anything remember when the Lakers made that trade, the Luca thing and Mark Williams a center, Remember that whole deal? Mark Williams, they were going to get a Mark Williams, the center who'd been injured, but he was a definitive NBA big, big wide body shot blocker. And then it got canceled because team doctors wouldn't give it a pass in la. Well, JJ Redick was telling you, yeah, I wasn't part of that decision because he won't play Jackson Hayes. And you're not beating Minnesota without some bigs. I mean Julius Randall who's never been good in the playoffs is having a tremendous series on three pointers and so why Randall's a big, he's getting good looks and so you know, JJ Redick's telling you this roster needs tweaking. I'm playing five, I may plot, I may trust four. And here was JJ after we certainly played well enough to win and we.
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Jason McIntyre
Gave the effort to win and you know, the not a planned thing to play five guys an entire second half. Asked him at the beginning of the fourth quarter, told them we had two extra timeouts, you know, if you need a sub, let us know.
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Colin Cowherd
Those guys gave, gave a lot.
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Jason McIntyre
I think once you've kind of made that decision, you know, and that they all are in, you just got to trust them.
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Colin Cowherd
Aunt Edwards led the NBA this year in clutch regular season points. Minnesota as a basketball team was in all sorts of games like this. They led the NBA in clutch games, meaning close, tight, hard fought games. That's what the T Wolves did all regular season. They were built for it. In Ant Edwards whose three point shot improved dramatically. He was built for it. They now have a 31 series lead. They'll be well rested. Will the, the Lakers will be as well. The next game is Wednesday and here's Ant.
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Jason McIntyre
I just try to take advantage of every opportunity. I mean because you know, I've been dreaming of this all my life, whether it was football or basketball. So just being in these situations and.
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Colin Cowherd
Now it's going against Brun and Luka. Luka probably the best player in the.
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Jason McIntyre
Game, young player in the game and Brun is the best player leaving the game. So just trying to, you know, prove I belong and tell all my haters and people who criticize me that I'm better than they think.
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Colin Cowherd
Ant is officially the best young player in the game. Did you see him battling Lebron? He's like, I, I got LeBron. Did you see that wrestling match? You're not getting that from Luke on the defensive end. Offense runs the league. I'm not denying that. But look at Ant's fourth quarter numbers. His energy is through the roof. Not just his points, but his field goal percentage. Look at Luka's field goal percentage. Guys get tired, shots are flat. So if you, if you want. One of the things that made Jordan, we only showed Jordan's offensive highlights. What made Michael Jordan great was his relentless defense along with his relentless offense and clutch play in the fourth quarter. Michael's energy, you could go to quadruple overtime. Michael's energy, even when he was sick. The Utah games was just better than other players. Look at Ant's fourth quarters. That is young, in impeccable shape. Because Ant previously first couple of years he would wear down late in games. He doesn't anymore. He picks his spots. He is putting up 42% three point in the fourth and you're petting your best defender on him. So he has arrived. He has got the argument to me as the best young player in the game. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app at the end of the season. There's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate. The all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance. While its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out. Not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space. The IX is completely changing the game with an all electric suv. The greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of the game. So why would you settle for anything less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine. Electrified. Introducing Instagram teen accounts. A new way to keep your teen safer as they grow. Like making sure they Always have their seatbelt on. Alright, sweetie pie, buckle up.
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Jason McIntyre
Good job.
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Colin Cowherd
Or ring the bell on their bike. Okay, kid, give it a try. Nice. Or remember their elbow pads. Knees too. Okay. Yep. There you go. New Instagram teen accounts. Automatic protections for who can contact your.
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Jason McIntyre
Teen and the content they can see.
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Colin Cowherd
Looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet Paycor, a paychex company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results from recruiting and development to payroll and analytics. Paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset. Your people. Are you ready to become a better leader? Visit paycor.com leadership to learn more. That's paycor.com leaders. Summer is almost here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some french fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered. Don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. Not kind of really a mean thing happened. Sort of cruel. That Shador Sanders apparently got pranked. Called during the draft. They found out who it was. It was Jax Ulbricht. His dad's a coach for the Atlanta Falcons. He somehow got the number. And it's really dumb. And young men do really dumb things every weekend in this country. Fight at bars, drive too fast and get hurt. 17 to 24 year old men, according to FBI data, commit the most crime. Your frontal lobe's not fully developed. Young men do dumb stuff. And I have six kids in my life and they've all done something dumb. And I did things that were dumber. Maybe not as this dumb, but I did dumb stuff too. I don't like it. It's cruel. It's not what you should do. And the kid did call Shador and apologized. But to watch the media's reaction, they're more bothered by this than other actions that happen all the time in this league that deserve more criticism. The kid did something really dumb and then called Shador and apologized. Here's the thing. When these kind of moments happen in life and this happened to Shador, I'm often captivated by how people handle it. And did anybody watch how Shedeur Sanders handled it? It was really impressive. He said, it's okay. Everybody makes mistakes. Wow, that's really adult. Why? Older members of the media are wrecked by it and deeply bothered that he fell in the draft. He wasn't. He kept the thing. The thing. He's not going to hold a grudge. And you'll find that as a habit among winners in life, generally, they're not grudge holders. They focus on what matters. Shedeur Sanders came out when somebody played a really cruel joke. Unacceptable. And he said, it's okay. It's okay. People make mistakes. That is an incredibly impressive reaction. And as he dropped in the draft, here's what he said about going to Cleveland.
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Jason McIntyre
I know I'm gonna fit in perfectly. I feel like it's first getting in, showing the respect to the vets, showing them, you know, I'm here ready to work, show the coaches and have them understand, you know, I'm here ready to work so they can actually understand the real me.
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Colin Cowherd
That's what I'm truly thankful to have.
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Jason McIntyre
Is the opportunity for people to actually see the real me and not be able to see, you know, stuff that could be true or not. That's what I'm most excited about, being in the building.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow. I mean, Aaron Rodgers dropped a few draft picks, was bitter. Shador Sanders drops to the fifth round, and he's like, I can't wait to get into the building, show respect to the veterans. He gets pranked. He could have had a multitude of reactions. He's like a kid made a mistake. We're all going to be okay. People make mistakes. That makes me want to root for Shador Sanders. You guys can throw tizzy fits. Reacting to the dropping in the draft, by the way, Kyle McCord dropped. He went later than I thought. And he went to the Philadelphia Eagles. And by the way, Will Howard, he went really late, too. He went to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like this idea that going high in the draft and to really bad franchises is always the answer. The truth is Joe Flacco will probably win that Browns job. My guess is Shador Sanders easily, because he was underdrafted, he will easily win the backup role over Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett easily. And then by Thanksgiving, I'm going to make a bet Shador Sanders is going to play and be the starting quarterback. But I was really impressed as everybody was freaking out. Maybe it's because I've had so many kids in my life. Like kids do dumb stuff. Young boys do really dumb stuff, and I didn't like it at all. And it made me mad and I thought it was cruel. But how Shador handled it told me, okay, that's the kind of compartmentalization, attitude and maturity you get from veteran quarterbacks that flourish. They don't pout, they're not punitive, they don't hold a grudge. Hey, everybody makes mistakes. It is that kind of even temperament that blew me away. I mean, I'm sitting there thinking, if my kid was a quarterback and somebody did this to my kid, I'd be really hurt. And maybe she knew or was. But that reaction, A, he may have a B arm and a B minus mobility, but that temperament in that moment, A. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. At the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs, only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate. The all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance. While its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out. Not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space. The IX is completely changing the game with an all electric suv. The greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of the game. So why would you settle for anything less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine. Electrified Introducing Instagram Teen accounts. A new way to keep your teen safer as they grow. Like making sure they always have their seatbelt on. Alright, sweetie pie, buckle up.
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Jason McIntyre
Good job.
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Colin Cowherd
Or ring the bell on their bike. Okay, kid, give it a try. Nice. Or remember their elbow pads. Knees too. Okay. Yep. There you go. New Instagram Teen accounts. Automatic protections for who can contact your.
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Jason McIntyre
Teen and the content they can see.
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Colin Cowherd
Looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet Paycor, a paychecks company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results. From recruiting and development to payroll and analytics, paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset. Your people. Are you ready to become a better leader? Visit paycor.com leadership to learn more. That's paycor.com leaders. Summer is almost here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some french fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered. Don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details here we go hour two. It is a Monday. Live in Los Angeles. It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Wild weekend Shedeur Sanders drops in the draft. Matt Hasselbeck will be joining us here in about five minutes to talk about that. I did think the Seahawks had the best draft. I thought Cleveland did really well. Listen, Cleveland and the Rams both got another first round pick for next year, which is a significantly stronger quarterback draft and they both need them one. For now, Cleveland needs a quarterback, which by the way, Shador Sanders has the second best odds according to DraftKings to be the starting quarterback. Not Flacco. You know, I was number one odds. Kenny Pickett. He's beating out Kenny Pickett. Don't bet that, people.
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Jason McIntyre
By the way, I thought you're taking.
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Colin Cowherd
The first hour on the prank call much better than your NBA fouls take.
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Jason McIntyre
But I have to ask you this.
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Colin Cowherd
I talked about it on my podcast. Like were you as a kid making prank calls? Everybody did. Yes, yes.
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Jason McIntyre
But you weren't ruining someone's like special.
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Colin Cowherd
Moment like the prank calls we made. There used to be a WWF wrestler who lived in our area. So we would prank call him at sleepovers and be like imitate Macho Man. Oh yeah, Macho Man. Randy Savage and Rick Flair. We would do that stuff. But it wasn't like, like his NFL draft moment. He wasn't going to like the wrestling hall. By the way. It didn't ruin it because 20 minutes later he had his mom. I know, but it was. You had a good take on it. It's again, we disagree. Some young kid did something really mean and really dumb and that's what young 21 year olds.
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Jason McIntyre
By the way, how do you punish that kid? What's the punishment?
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Colin Cowherd
My punishment is get on the phone call immediately and apologize and let the nation they're going to take shots at you and you have them all coming. I don't need to spank him. Like, by the way, public humiliation is very powerful. I didn't grow up with Twitter.
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Jason McIntyre
Thank goodness.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Twitter is very powerful to make you feel bad about yourself. We have self esteem studies being done everywhere. Globally, people now are saying the best thing you can do as a parent. Psychologists are saying this. Get him off social media. Yeah. So being crushed on social media, being publicly humiliated and he was his punishment.
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Jason McIntyre
And by the way, how does the, the defensive coordinator leave his iPad around.
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Colin Cowherd
Open with Shadowed Sanders phone number on there? When they drafted Michael Penix last year, I'm not calling BS on that, but something feels a little fishy, no? Do you leave your iPad open with phone numbers for all the executives you talk to? I trust my kids, you know, so. All right. Colin right? Colin wrong. On a Monday. Here we go. Where Colin was right. Edwards continues to be the best young player in the game. And I said this last week, not a GM in this league would take Ja Morant over Aunt Edwards jaw got swept. Okay? Ann Edwards is dominating fourth quarters and three years ago Ja Morant was the better player. Clearly that is not close to the case. Ant takes on LeBron. Ant can play a rigorous, strong, physical, intimidating defensive game. Jaw can't. You are looking at, in my opinion, the best domestic player in the league right now at his age. Certainly Ant Edwards. Where Colin was raw. I thought Shador Sanders was the second best quarterback I watched in college football to Cam Ward. And listen, he fell out. There's a lot of explanations for it. To complete 74% of your throws behind a terrible offensive line is impressive, but there's enough bad tape out there with him that it didn't blow people away. I do think he will win the starting job at some point next year. And don't listen to J. Mac. That is a tasty bet. Take Shador to eventually start for the Cleveland Browns. I was wrong. I would have taken him if I was Pittsburgh. I don't know what Pittsburgh's thinking. Must already have Aaron Rodgers. Where Colin was right. You know, I. I don't like to pick on kids, but I was never a Quinn Ewers fan. I didn't get it. One year ago people said he could be the first quarterback taken. I didn't buy it. I never had. I know he's a five star high school quarterback. I know he won a bunch of games with Texas. I don't see it. He was the 13th quarterback taken. I just. He had great protection and unbelievable believable wide receivers at Texas and made some incredibly big throws. But I never watched him during college football and thought that's a franchise quarterback. And he ended up being the 13th quarterback taken. Where Colin was wrong. I thought the Chicago Bears were going to go heavy defense in the draft because they've spent so much money on offense. They said nope. Tight end, wide receiver, offensive tackle with their first three picks. I like the picks but I mean they have so much talent on offense. Colston Loveland, one of my favorite players. No excuses for Caleb Williams. Ben Johnson is clearly running the draft room because they are going free agency and drafting their best picks. And pickups are offense where Colin was right. I said for the last month I think the Raiders are the perfect pick for Ashton Genty because Geno Smith, historically when he has a run game and can throw on play action is actually a really good quarterback. You go look to his career on play action, his 106 passer rating. So now they've got their quarterback in Geno, a star tight end, a star running back, Colton Miller will left tackle and they went and picked up some running some wide receivers. They also have Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll. I don't know how the Raiders are going to do but I thought this was the perfect pick. I loved everything and at 58 people say he's small. It is hard to get leverage on 58 running backs. Nobody bounces off more college defenders than Ashton Genty where Colin was raw. Boy did I miss on the Lakers series. I had the Lakers in five because I thought they were better offensively. But J.J. redick has made it very clear he doesn't trust Jackson Hayes. Translation, we're going to play small ball and Minnesota's dominating the boards. They're more physical, they've got more rotational options. The lakers are playing five dudes and Luka looked tired at the end, LeBron was tired at the end. And the Lakers have been outscored by six or more in every fourth quarter. And a lot of that is Minnesota is fresher where Colin was. Right. I thought the Pacers were going to fly through the Bucks. The Dame injury stinks, but I just think Indiana's got more good players in their prime. I think Indiana's got the best talent in the league that nobody talks about. I really like the Pacers and I don't like the Bucks and I've said this for three years, they're too Giannis centric. And the big problem is that's okay. The Nuggets are Jokic centric. But I trust Jokic at the free throw line rate late. I do not trust Giannis at the free throw line late so much like Shaq, you didn't want him at the line even though he was dominant. So for me it's time to blow up this roster where Colin was wrong. I had been told that a wide receiver, T. Mac from Arizona, a lot of people had cooled on him. But it only takes one and Carolina drafted him with the eighth pick. I thought some of the draft analysis on him was interesting. People theorized that Bryce Young is a smaller quarterback and therefore the long and lanky TMAC is easier to see. Never thought about that probably true, but yeah, it takes one. I'd heard teams that cooled on him. Did he love football? Where can you use him? He's kind of a strider, doesn't get off the line good enough. I was wrong. And with that 18 years in the NFL. Mad Hasselbeck is joining us. You know, it's funny about quarterbacks. A year ago, everybody's like, Quinn Ewers, first round. Two years ago, Sam hell, first round. So you get lied to a lot about this stuff. Things change. I mean, when, when he dropped in the draft, Shador Sanders, what was your immediate first and second take on that?
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Jason McIntyre
I was a little bit surprised, but there really weren't that many teams that were desperate for a quarterback. I mean, obviously Tennessee, you know, there's something out there with Pittsbur. The Giants were a player. Pittsburgh, you know, wondering about the Aaron Rodgers thing. But like once he fell, it was clear he was going to fall for, you know, he could fall pretty far. And there were some great quarterbacks. And for me, as a sixth round pick, pick 187, I was kind of in my mind a little bit like Crimea River. You know, there's some good players out there, Kyle McCord, Riley Leonard, will Howard. But I do think Shador Sanders is a really good quarterback. I think he's talented. Clearly his film was a lot better than I think maybe some of the interactions and some of the lead up to the draft. And that probably gave some people some pause. Some teams that might have taken him chose to go elsewhere.
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Colin Cowherd
So I, I would put Travis Hunter on offense mostly because I could target him 12 times and get him the ball. Whereas I'd rather do that than him used as a decoy chasing around cornerbacks and not be part of the play. So and, and I think he will be a prolific offensive player. But I do wonder on Tuesday or Wednesday during install and he's in the offensive meeting and not in the defensive meeting, is that problematic?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I think there's like a lot of people don't understand how it works. Like in a real work week for an NFL team. I mean I could see a scout being like, oh man, this guy's awesome. He could play offense, he could play defense. But the reality of the process, you hear coaches talk about process. Wednesday is all first and second down. Offense and defense do the exact same thing every day during the week. Thursday is all third down, third down and two minute. Friday is red zone, short yardage, goal line. Saturday is kind of a walkthrough mock game, situational you know, Hail Mary, end of game type situations. Obviously you play the game on Sunday, so really I think this is going to be a real challenge for the coaches and for the player. Playing the actual game is not the hard part. Like that's physically not a big deal. The preparation, you spend all day studying the intricacies and tendencies on third down of your own playbook of your opponent. I just don't know how they're going to do that. They're going to have to get creative and the coaches are going to have to be the ones to adjust.
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Colin Cowherd
I was really surprised. The Bears, the last two years in free agency have mostly gone offense and last year in the draft, you know, better picks, they went offense. So I would theorize, okay, they're going to figure this defense out and they went tight end, wide receiver, offensive tackle. I'm like, Ben Johnson is running the draft room, I think. Did it surprise you? What did you make of that?
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Jason McIntyre
Well, I think it's, if you're a Bears fan, you're really excited to see that Ben Johnson and Ryan polls are together. Like, I think they're on the same page. That's not something you can say in Chicago for a long, long time. But I think they are setting this up to find out if Caleb Williams is in fact Ben Johnson's guy. And you know, clearly he's got the ability, he's got the potential. We have not seen the execution on the field. So, you know, obviously he goes out and gets his Sam Laporta type guy at tight end. He's got the wide rece, he's building up front with the O line. He goes and gets Aussie Tripillo an underrated second round pick. I, I think it's going to be all set up for Caleb to either be the guy or not be the guy going forward. I love the draft. I really love what they did they did in Chicago, but now the pressure's on the young quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
I, I, I had said this earlier, I talked to an NFL executive on Friday after their show and he said he goes, if Shedeur doesn't get drafted by like the 38th pick, so six picks into the second round, he's being viewed as a backup and some people aren't gonna, they're not gonna do that circus as a backup. He goes, keep your eye on Milroe. Everybody loves that kid and he's not ready to play, so there'll be no pressure on the starter. So John Snyder to me is about as good as a personnel guy as the league has. I Thought the Seahawks had the best draft. You know, the organization. Well, what do you make? So I get taking Milro over Shador because Sam, starting for two years, let's not threaten him. What did you make of the pick and what did you make of the Seahawks draft?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I agree with really everything that you're saying there. And, you know, I just go back to. Even on the quarterback thing. I think I've told you before, two coaches that came and sort of like worked me out when I was in college were Sean Payton and Andy Reid. Neither. Neither one of them worked me out. Sean Payton took me to lunch and Andy Reid hung out in a. In a white board meeting room with me. And we talked. They both, I think, wanted to see if I was the kind of guy that they wanted in their quarterback room, that they wanted in their locker room. The person that I was like, was I going to fit in their team? And I think what I've learned in 18 years in the NFL is that humility is respected in the locker room. So I think, like, when you're talking about a Jalen Milroe as an example, he's everything you're looking for in a guy you're adding to your team, adding to your locker room, adding to your quarterback room. Your quarterback coach wants to coach a guy like that. You hear Mike McDonald talk about, hey, he's special as a quarterback in the traditional sense. But it. When this guy, like when things break down as a defensive coordinator, my biggest fear as a D coordinator, play caller is when the guy has the ability to go do something with it as a runner as well. And Milroe certainly, certainly is exceptional in that, in that regard. So, yeah, to your point, the Seahawks, they went and got their Steve Hutchinson type offensive lineman, no nonsense, versatile, you know, potential hall of Famer type talent. And then, you know, like, obviously, you know, later on, they replaced Geno with Milroe. They. They add depth where they need to adapt. They get their Cam Chancellor in the second round trying to rebuild that legion of boom, the Kyle Hamilton type guy that McDonald was using with Baltimore. I mean, they're in love with their draft right now. And I think Seahawk fans are as well.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, I thought the Raiders Aston Gente, I thought he fit Chip Kelly. I thought he was what they need. I think Geno's always proven on play action. He's a more than capable NFL quarterback. I loved that pick. That's one of the few we called. What did you make of it?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, we talked about it in March. I think you Asked me the question what I think about it. And it's an identity pick. I think, in that division too, with the great quarterbacks and the great offenses in that division. Pete Carroll views a great running game as an extension of the defense. He's got this formula in play calling. How many times do I run it, plus how many times do I have a completion? And that's my formula. Ball security is another major factor. But like when you go back to who Pete Carroll was at SC with Lindell White and Reggie Bush and then who he was in Seattle with, Marshawn lynch, this fits him exactly. And I would even say that, you know, if you really study what Chip Kelly was last year as the play caller at Ohio State. State. This was a run first team and this was a be the hammer, not the nail kind of a mindset that I think both coaches have perfect fit.
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Colin Cowherd
I am guessing that the Steelers have some sort of deal with Aaron Rodgers. And Aaron just said, I'll wait to see how the draft plays out. And if you don't draft a starter, I'll come aboard. Will Howard's a backup right now. I'm guessing because otherwise I don't know what Pittsburgh is doing at quarterback. What do you think they're doing with Aaron?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I think you nailed it. I mean, I have no inside info, but this whole time when everyone's all this chatter, what's Aaron Rodgers waiting for? You either want to be a Steeler or you don't. Guys, do you remember what happened last year? Kirk Cousins signed a huge deal to go to Atlanta and then they picked a quarterback like 8th overall or something like that. He's waiting for the draft. He doesn't want to be a lame duck quarterback. This is the perfect team for him. Pittsburgh's the perfect fit. He's waiting till after the draft. So you don't do something sort of foolish, go get me more weapons, don't go draft my replacement. And that's essentially how I think the draft played out. They got a really talented quarterback in the sixth, sixth round. And Will Howard, that's not a threat. He's more of a project, maybe of a guy that's like, hey, I really like this guy. I would like to sort of mentor this guy. I like what the Steelers did that way. And I do think there was a handshake agreement. Let's wait till after the draft and then we'll. And we'll talk and get your pen out and we'll put this thing to paper.
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Colin Cowherd
For the record, a team will go into camp with 12 linebackers, 14 offensive linemen or more. But generally you don't have five quarterbacks. How do you, how does Cleveland figure out? I mean, I think Shedeur is going to win the job eventually, but it is a lot of snaps. Dylan Gabriel, Kenny Pickett, Joe Flacco. How's that going to work?
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Jason McIntyre
It doesn't, honestly, Colin, it doesn't feel like a head coach, GM draft pick for that reason. It feels like an ownership draft pick. It feels like, you know, they had a plan and then all of a sudden someone who ranks higher than them said, hey, why don't we do this? And so something's got to change. There's not enough reps for, for three guys, really, never mind five. So I wouldn't be surprised to see somebody get traded at some point. That's just the nature of how it goes. But I remember being my first year, I was the fourth string quarterback for the Green Bay packers. And like I said, there's nothing to do. Essentially they used me as a practice squad tight end at practice. So some. Somebody's got to go. Somebody's got to go. And that's an, that's an interesting dynamic in that room. Obviously people will be talking about that one and watching it very closely.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, finally, the outpouring of affection to you on the passing of your father, I think speaks volumes about the Hasselbeck family and you in particular. I have met your father, I've met your family before. And I just think, I just. We want to pass along how much we think of you and I. It was, it warmed my heart to see the outpouring of affection by the Internet toward your family. My man. You know, we think.
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Jason McIntyre
Thanks, Colin. Yeah, my, my dad was larger than life in a lot of ways and I hope we honored him at his funeral. He was, he's a great man and, and still in shock a little bit, but he'll be definitely missed.
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Colin Cowherd
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