Best of The Herd

Summary

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd — “Best of The Herd”

Date: April 13, 2026
Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Host: Colin Cowherd (Fox Sports Radio & The Volume)
Notable Guest: Alan Shipnuk (Golf author & NYT Bestseller)

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Episode Overview

This episode of “The Best of The Herd” dives into sports’ biggest stories of the weekend, focusing on Rory McIlroy’s dramatic back-to-back win at the Masters, the landscape of the NBA playoffs, and a detailed conversation with Alan Shipnuk, golf writer and author of a new Rory McIlroy biography. Colin reflects on narratives surrounding superstars, the cultural impact of favorites versus underdogs, and what makes athletes like Rory uniquely magnetic. Regular segments like "Colin Right, Colin Wrong" highlight sharp sports insights and candid self-assessment.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Rory McIlroy’s Masters Triumph: Recovery, Legacy, and Aura

Timestamps: [02:43]–[13:02], [19:19]–[23:23], [32:11]–[44:01]

• Champion’s Confidence & Journey: Colin sets the tone by likening Rory’s career to other sports legends who finally break through after years of promise and scrutiny (e.g., John Elway, Michael Jordan, Ohtani).

  “And then when they break through like Rory did last year, it seems to give you this confidence of a champion.” — Colin Cowherd [02:57]

• Masters Recap & Resilience:

  • Despite not playing “great golf," hitting only 31 fairways (the lowest ever for a Masters champion), and missing multiple birdie opportunities, Rory won by excelling at recovery shots and showing immense tenacity.
  • Rory entered the back nine three shots back, lost the lead, then surged ahead again—illustrative of his high-wire act playing style.

  “Through six holes, he was 2 over and lost the lead. And then the birdie started piling up...Only Rory can lead by largest lead through 36 holes...and you look up an hour and a half in and you’re like, oh, nope, lost the lead; and then gets it back and then almost, almost comfortably wins back to back.” — Colin [04:10]

• Comparisons to Other Sports Stars: Rory isn’t “Tiger” (who suffocated the field with a lead), but carries theater and unpredictability akin to Phil Mickelson.

• Rory’s Legendary Stage: Colin frames Rory’s career in four acts:

  1. Prodigy
  2. Rock star
  3. Major drought (10+ years)
  4. “Legendary stage” – now topped by championship confidence and mature composure.

• Golf Purists & Success Resentment: Pushback on Rory’s focus on majors and skipping Texas events is discussed with humor and a strong defense from Colin.

  “He’d fly his Gulf Stream into Augusta, would play a couple practice rounds, he’d fly back, have dinner with the kids. And apparently that just golf purists don’t like it...I have no problem with that.” — Colin [11:00]

• What Makes Rory “Pop”:

  • Rory’s aura, vulnerability, emotional highs and lows.
  • Colin contrasts Rory’s “sticky quality” with talented, but less charismatic figures like Scotty Scheffler or Jayson Tatum.
  • Rory’s screaming, fist pumps, and candidness connect with fans.

  “If you care, I care.” — Colin Cowherd [22:15]

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2. NBA Playoff Landscape & “Parody is Overrated”

Timestamps: [06:53]–[13:02], [27:23]–[32:11]

• The Playoff Picture:

  • Boston Celtics and OKC Thunder labeled obvious contenders.
  • Denver and (to a far lesser degree) San Antonio discussed as possible dark horses.
  • Critique of the current NBA: “Too many three-point shots, stars missing games, an embarrassing tanking epidemic.”
  • Only top three seeds win titles; fun stories (like the Knicks) deemed unlikely to win due to lack of bench and defense.

  “Every single champion the last 30 years has been a top three seed....It’s probably going to be Boston or Oklahoma City.” — Colin [07:56]

• Experience vs. Youth: Nuggets vs. Spurs game cited as a showcase of Denver’s playoff experience outlasting San Antonio’s naïveté.

  “This is where you see the experience of the Denver Nuggets versus the inexperience, the naivety, just never having been there of the spurs.” — Guest Commentator [09:41]

• Parody vs. Star Power: Colin makes it clear he roots for favorites and stars—not underdogs—claiming it’s what drives viewership and lasting storylines.

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3. In-Depth Interview: Alan Shipnuk on Rory McIlroy

Timestamps: [32:11]–[44:01]

• Emotional Core & Evolution:

  • Rory’s career is marked by visible emotion, both in victory and in the burden of expectation.
  • The “burden of genius” has always weighed heavily on Rory, from childhood onward.

  “He was still crying after the victories. It’s always meant so much to him...the burden of genius is a real thing. And he’s always felt that weight of expectation.” — Alan Shipnuk [33:18]

• Recovery Win: Shipnuk calls this Masters perhaps Rory’s “most impressive victory on the big stage” because he won without his A-game—thriving on recovery, managing himself emotionally, and accessing genius only when absolutely needed.

  “It was just. He never had his best stuff. And for Rory to conquer Augusta national, to dust Scotty Scheffler when he's not driving it, well, it really is a delicious turn of events.” — Alan Shipnuk [34:36]

• Difference From Tiger: Unlike Tiger Woods, Rory exhibits visible fragility and vulnerability, making his victories less robotic but more compelling.

  “There’s a fragility there. There is a vulnerability. He is not a machine like Tiger, and it's always going to be a high wire act with Rory.” — Alan [36:56]

• Historic Significance & Legacy Debate:

  • Shipnuk argues Rory has already surpassed Phil Mickelson in global impact, based on global titles, money lists, and the career Grand Slam.
  • Suggests Rory is entering “Mount Rushmore” status in golf: “He has a chance to be one of the top five golfers of all time. He needs probably two more majors, and he's there.” — Alan Shipnuk [39:25]

• Aggressive Style & Flair for Drama: Rory’s aggressive choices (e.g. using driver on 18 with a two-shot lead) are discussed as intrinsic to his character.

  “If you're the caddy and you say, I don't like driver here, what you're saying to Rory is, I don't think you're good enough in this moment. You don’t want to put that thought into his head.” — Alan Shipnuk [40:52]

• Humanity & Fan Connection: Shipnuk shares a personal anecdote about giving Rory a copy of the biography and how Rory’s gracious, forgiving character eventually shined through, showing the vulnerable, authentic side that fans love.

  “He told me he started reading it and he liked it. It made him laugh. And that kind of speaks to Rory. Even though he’d been spiky throughout the reporting of it, in the end he always carries himself with a certain amount of grace and humanity.” — Alan [42:36]

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4. Colin Right, Colin Wrong (Rapid-Fire Sports Takes)

Timestamps: [27:21]–[32:11]

Where Colin Was Right:

• Rory McIlroy is good for golf and the Masters; stars and favorites make sporting events bigger events.
• Brad Stevens/Mike Missoula culture continues to keep the Celtics atop the East despite injuries and roster changes.
• NIL & transfer portal are improving college basketball by bringing in more talent and keeping rosters older.

Where Colin Was Wrong:

• Doc Rivers failed with the Milwaukee Bucks despite Colin’s predictions.
• Dallas Mavericks were expected to be a surprise team, but fell flat due to more injuries and instability.
• Reluctance to believe in “two-way” NFL players—ex: Travis Hunter destined to be a full-time corner, not a WR.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Rory’s Style and Impact:

“Tiger would shut the door on Sunday with a lead. Rory opens it, take a seat, let’s go for a fun ride.” — Colin [44:20]
“There’s just some people who have that sticky quality where I just can’t turn the TV off. Rory’s got it.” — Colin [13:02]
“He just burns to fulfill this destiny of his, and that’s why we’re so invested in it.” — Alan Shipnuk [33:30]
“All that disappeared on Master Saturday when it was like, okay, this has really happened. I can win this thing. And then the clench factor...part of what makes Rory so compelling is there is a fragility there.” — Alan [36:36]

On the State of the NBA:

“Every single champion of the last 30 years has been a top three seed...I know you want the underdogs to win, but it’s probably going to be Boston or Oklahoma City.” — Colin [07:56]

On Sports & Star Power:

“I don’t root for underdogs. I like favorites. I like stars...I like stuff to suck me in and bring me in.” — Colin [10:34]

On Legacy Debates:

“The weight of the career Grand Slam, it moves him past Mickelson, past Faldo, past Trevino. These are all guys who have six major championships. Rory is in very rarefied air.” — Alan Shipnuk [38:46]

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Episode Structure (With Timestamps)

• [02:43] Opening Monologue—Rory’s historic Masters, significance, and career evolution
• [06:32–07:56] Golf analyst audio & NBA playoff landscape
• [09:32] Guest segment (Odd Couple): Nuggets vs. Spurs, playoff experience
• [11:00–13:02] Debate: Rory’s major-only schedule, criticism from purists
• [14:21] Banter: J. Mac returns
• [19:19] On personalities, charisma, and what “pops” in sports stardom
• [21:52] Rory on career comparisons to Nick Faldo, sixth major win
• [27:21–32:11] “Colin Right, Colin Wrong” – rapid takes on NBA, college hoops, NFL draft, NIL
• [32:11–44:01] Alan Shipnuk interview: Rory’s psychology, legacy, and greatness
• [44:03] Final thoughts on Rory’s Masters and what makes him compelling

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Summary

This episode delivers a deep, nuanced look at what makes sporting greatness magnetic for fans and media alike, using Rory McIlroy’s Masters victory as a prime case study. Colin Cowherd’s appreciation for stars over underdogs fuels dynamic debate, while his thoughtful interview with Alan Shipnuk provides fresh perspective on Rory’s humanity, psychology, and place in golf history. In quick-hit segments, the episode also covers the NBA’s struggles with star absences and “tank culture,” and Colin offers a frank personal audit of his own predictions across multiple sports.

Whether you’re a golf diehard or a casual sports fan, this episode uniquely blends narrative, analytics, and personality, making the “Best of The Herd” a must-listen for catching up on the sports zeitgeist.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Here we go. It is a Monday. We are live. It is the Herd, wherever you may be. NBA playoffs are set. Thanks for making us part of your day in Monday. Colin right. Colin wrong. One hour from now, J. Mac is back. And I want to talk about what everybody watched and what everybody was talking about yesterday. And this happens all the time. We've seen it with the superstars in our sports. Ohtani, John Elway, Michael Jordan, Rory McElroy. You see this incredibly audacious talent and you're waiting for the first title, the first cup, the first ring, the first major, right? Or the first Masters. And you're just waiting and waiting. And then when they break through like Rory did last year, it seems to give you this confidence of a champion. I thought the entire weekend, especially yesterday, was about recovery shots. And Rory McIlroy 0 for 16 now 2 for his last two at the Masters. He couldn't find the Fairway all week. 31. That's all the fairways he hit. That's the lowest ever for a champion. His putting yesterday missed multiple birdie opportunities on the par fives over four days, he was minus 10. He did not play great golf throughout. I mean, through six holes, he was 2 over and lost the lead. And then the birdie started piling up. He attacked 12, 13, 12 is a brutal hole. Birdie, birdie, and this is often what it takes. You could see it with an Elway who went to many Super Bowls and got blown out. And he finally gets the run game, he gets the first, and everything kind of changes. Rory has never been Tiger. If Tiger went into a major with a lead on Sunday, seven strokes, he may win by 12. He suffocated the field. He didn't let people back in. That is not Rory. I mean, Rory can be wild, he can kind of ad lib, be overly aggressive, which was often a Phil Mickelson tendency. And he lets you back in, he lets the field back in. I mean, he could have easily lost that yesterday. Even on 18, two shot lead, one hole to play, it's like, bro, bring out a five wood. Let's just get it right in the middle of the fairway. Nope, brings out the driver. And maybe at his worst shot over four days, and that is Rory. Only Rory can lead by largest lead through 36 holes. And you tune in yesterday and you're like they're going to crowd him with another one. And you look up an hour and a half in and you're like, oh, nope, lost the lead and then gets it back and then almost, almost comfortably wins back to back. I mean, he entered the back nine, three back and it felt like an hour 15 later, you're like, oh no, he's got a comfortable lead. He opened the door. Others had opportunities, Scotty Scheffler, rose, Cam Young, but they couldn't close it. And I feel like we're seeing the fourth stage of Rory's career. There was the prodigy stage, there was the rock star stage, there was the 10, 11 year major drought stage. And now this is the legendary stage. The confidence of a champion. Recovery shots. He's entering that. Is he greater than Phil Mickelson, who Never won a U.S. open? Rory's got the Grand Slam. Only a handful of golfers have won back to back at Augusta. He's great theater, he's great for the sport, he's magnificent for the Masters, which had some challenges, the network covering it on 18. But here was Rory after.

[Golf Analyst]

It's hard, it's hard to win golf tournaments, especially around here. Like it's, you know, you've had maybe a couple of runaway winners over the years, but it always seems to be a very tight finish at this golf course. So I think it's the nature of the golf course, it's the nature of what's at stake.

[Colin Cowherd]

But I really wonder, had he not won last year where he had to go to a playoff hole, would he have all those great recovery shots yesterday? I don't know. Rory Tiger, Nick Faldo, Jack Nicholas, back to back Masters champions. And he is absolutely great for the sport. All right, not counting playing games, the notable NBA playoff matchups are set. Been a rough year for the NBA. I know it has. Too many three point shots, stars missing games, an embarrassing tanking epidemic. Do they love the game or their legacies? I'm not sure in my life. As we head into the playoffs, I've said this a couple weeks ago. There's always, I think really only three teams that can win a championship. Celtics and OKC are the easy ones. Who's the third team? San Antonio would be historically young, but they've got a transformational player. I like Denver, but they've been banged up all year. Jokic has never been and missed this many games. Minnesota's talented. Why are they a six seed? And the Knicks are a fun story and it's always cool when you have a Big popular New York team in the playoffs in any sport. But let's be honest, no Bench can't defend the three. Two best players are defensive liabilities. Every single champion the last 30 years has been a top three seed. So, yeah, I know you want the underdogs to win, but it's probably going to be Boston or Oklahoma City. My question is, do I like Denver or do I like San Antonio? Jokic is the best player. Aaron Gordon, however, has missed half the year. Murray's been healthy, but Jokic hasn't always been healthy. I think the one thing I like about Denver is there's one player in this league that can attack Wemby, go right at him and succeed, and that is Jokic. So if I had to say, is there a fourth team or maybe this is the third team, it would be Denver and not San Antonio. San Antonio is historically way too young to win a championship. These two teams, Denver and San Antonio, met a couple Saturdays ago. It was a fantastic game. It went to overtime. And if you watch the game, couple of things were clear. You Jokic is not intimidated by Wemby. And between Murray and Jokic and Gordon and their age, they're going to be a really tough out for either the Thunder or the Spurs. And Chris Broussard and I, after watching that game, felt the same way.

[Odd Couple Host]

Jokic was taking it to Wimy in overtime, which was true. But what I took from it is what you were saying. Like, I was watching that game. Like, oh, man, this is where you see the experience of the Denver Nuggets versus the inexperience, the naivety, just, just never having been there of the spurs. And it showed up late in that game.

[Colin Cowherd]

So we've had seven different champions in seven years. With the new aprons and collective bargaining, it's really hard to repeat. I'm just hoping the playoffs can deliver something because the regular season delivered a whole lot of nothing. Between the tanking epidemic and stars missing 73 or 75% of marquee television games and an overload on threes where it's homogenous and repetitive, they could really, really go for a great playoff stretch. We just watched March Madness, and what makes it so amazing is that it's sudden death that is the opposite of the NBA playoffs. Seven games. Seven games. So there's not as much urgency. You're. I think most of the great playoff action could come in the west. Again. I'm going to take okc, Boston and San Antonio as my three teams. If I had to pick a fourth, it would be Denver. A lot of stuff going on, you know, the Masters. You know, golf purists are a lot like soccer snobs that, you know how soccer fans are soccer snobs. Well, we watch, we watch the Spanish League regularly and the Euro Championships. All right, Ethan, you knock yourself out. I show up for the World Cup. Golf guy can be a little like that. Well, I've got a four handicap and I watched the Valero Open twice. Well, I have a social life. Congratulations. But I will say the pushback on Rory McElroy is really interesting to me. So one of the, one of the pushbacks on him is, and I've said this my entire career, I don't root for underdogs. I like favorites. I like stars. I've got a life. You do, too. I got a family. I got stuff I'm doing. I like stuff to suck me in and bring me in. And one of the criticisms of Rory McElroy is that he didn't want to play in the Texas tournaments. He had no interest. And he's like, you know, I'm going to practice. And this other players are eligible to do this. He went to Augusta, flew his Gulf Stream into Augusta, would play a couple practice rounds, he'd fly back, have, you know, dinner with the kids. And apparently that just golf purists don't like it. And my take that, you know, success begets success. I have no problem with that. Here's Rory McElroy addressing how well he knows this course. He zoned in on this course and decided, I'm not going to waste my time. His words on the Texas stuff.

[Golf Analyst]

I honestly just don't like the three tournaments leading up to this event. I'd rather come up here. I did a couple of days where I dropped Poppy to school, flew up here, played, landed back home and had dinner with her or had dinner with Eric and Poppy. Like, I did a couple of day trips like that where I felt like that was a better use of my time than going to Houston or San

[Colin Cowherd]

Antonio again, I love the authenticity. He's from Northern Ireland. The Texas tournaments don't work for him. And what he did at Augusta, the many practice rounds, others can do it as well. So I think, you know, that quote by him will undoubtedly rankle some. I, I, I don't get it. I'm not a golf purist. I love the sport. I love watching the majors. I sat in front of a TV for five and a half straight hours, like many of you yesterday. But I think what makes him unique is, you know, he like tiger prodigy, rock star, 11 year major drought. And now we're getting into the legendary stage. I mean, it feels like to me we've got a ton of Runway left. He's 36. He's in unbelievable shape. I, I really like the guy. I, I don't know how to explain it other than some people have that sticky quality where I just can't turn the TV off. I just can't wait for the last shot again on 18. We didn't necessarily see all of his shots, but I loved it. So J. Mac is back from some island far away. We are, you know, a little more than a week from the NFL draft. Great story this morning. I read on Fernando Mendoza. Colin, right? Colin wrong. At about 45 minutes from now, J. Mac, you feeling rested and ready to go?

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[Colin Cowherd]

I'll power through it, you know, like

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[Colin Cowherd]

Can't wait. I was following you on social media. Instagram?

[Julian Edelman]

No, Twitter.

[Colin Cowherd]

But it seems like you had a great, great week without me, man. Hopefully you weren't getting too used to it. No, no, John Middle coff, as always, does a great job.

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You know, you see it with actors. Some people may be great actors, but there's no aura. You know, Killian Murphy's somebody that's on the screen. Like my eyes are immediately drawn to him. It's just. He's got a unique look, a unique intensity. And I feel that you can't fake interest. Like Michael Jordan had the Persona and the style and the fashion and the coolness. I've always said Michael will always be more beloved than LeBron. Cause he was cooler than LeBron. LeBron's great. Amazing. Michael was great and amazing and cool. And people say, oh, Jayson Tatum is the face of the NBA. And he's like. I'm like, he's not that interesting and he doesn't have an aura. I'm not saying he's not a great kid. It's just I don't see the aura. And for years and years I've been told this is the next Tiger and this is the next Tiger and. And I just don't feel it. Rory's the only one that kind of feels like it. So, I mean, Scotty Scheffler's amazing. So is Jordan Spieth. But they've got kind of a Mike Trout feel to him. I respect them. They're amazing. Purists love them. And there's just. I just don't feel the juice. I'm sorry. I mean, Scotty Scheffler once got arrested at a golf tournament. Three days later, nobody cared. You know, I mean, that would. That would be a story around Rory McElroy. Seven years later we be referencing it just disappeared. So I think Rory's very. Maybe it's because Rory is jacked or he's wild or he's emotional or he's vulnerable, or he let you back in. Or like Phil Mickelson, you think he's got the tournament wrapped up and suddenly he Trails, I don't know. He can be combative. He's assertive. He's got some leadership qualities. He was, you know, on the forefront of the live PGA debate. Good for him. But I, for years I've been told this guy is going to be the next guy. And there's just certain golfers. Arnold Palmer had it, you know, Phil had it, Rory's got it. Tiger obviously did. The Bear did it. Reminds me a little bit of Pete Sampras and Andre Agassi. Pete Sampras had the Grand Slams. Agassi had the star power. You know, Magus McEnroe had the star power. You know, I never felt Boris Becker was just great. So we've seen it in golf. David Duvall at his height, unbelievable. Didn't get me to a tv. I know I'm not a purist. I don't have a three handicap, but Nick Faldo had a little bit of that. And Rory was asked about the comparisons. Now, winning back to. Back to Faldo today, I tie Nick.

[Golf Analyst]

So, yeah, there's obviously going to be that conversation and that debate is going to be had, but it's a cool conversation to be a part of, so. But again, like, I, you know, it took me 10 years to win at my fifth major and then, you know, my sixth ones come pretty, pretty soon after it. So, yeah, I'm not putting a number on it, but I certainly don't want to stop here.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I've said for years, if you care, I care. And Scotty Schaefer at one point won a golf major and said, you know, it's not the most important thing to me when Rory's on a golf course, it feels like the most important thing for him. He's screaming and yelling and that matters. He lets you in. You see the highs and lows. Anybody who's ever golfed, I don't care if you're a scratch golfer, has, you know, had money on the line, had dinner on the line, and just hit his worst shot at the worst time. That's Rory. And to be this dominant and have the occasional bad shots and miss birdie Potts and have a lead and blow it, and then he can be majestic for a 7, 8, 9 hole stretch. You just get a little bit of everything with Rory McIlroy, and I think it's fascinating. Not that many golfer. I mean, I've been watching the Masters, like all of you forever, and I love the US Open, especially on certain courses, like Pebble Beach. Always loved the British, but I mean, look at there's a great example of Rory McIlroy arms in the air. You could just know how much it means to him and his family. If you care. I care.

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Where Colin was right.

[Colin Cowherd]

I've said it before in sports, parody is overrated. Rory Tiger, Phil Koepka. The numbers are going to prove it. Rory McIlroy helps the Masters. Five of the world's top six golfers finished at least tied for third or in the top three. It was a magical event. If you take Rory out of that. And it would have been Cam Young and Scotty Scheffler. You know it and I know it. It wouldn't have felt close to the same and the number wouldn't have been the same.

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Where Colin was wrong.

[Colin Cowherd]

I kind of figured the Doc Rivers thing would be fine. He's good Inside the room if he's not a great schematic coach but he's older, he manage egos kind of a Joe Tory feel to him of the Yankees it did not work out. It got worse two of the three seasons losing record didn't win a playoff series so it probably couldn't have gotten worse for Doc Rivers in Milwaukee. I was wrong on that.

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Where Colin was right but I said

[Colin Cowherd]

the Celtics culture coaching Brad Stevens, they're still going to be really good this year. Well they finished with the number two seed despite the Tatum injury and remember they moved off for their top nine players. Jalen Brown had a took over as he's prone to do, really talented, really aggressive between Brad Stevens Missoula, the culture, the intelligence in the building. How many other teams could lose four of their nine top players in Jayson Tatum for a majority of the season and still be favored to win the

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I keep waiting for the Eagles to trade A.J. brown. Instead they added another receiver Don Tavian Wicks of Green Bay who's a big target has kind of a case of the drops but he's super talented. I'm not sure what it means for A.J. brown, but the packers have a lot of receivers. They went first round last year to get another and Wicks became expendable. It's this portend of things to come perhaps, but another pair of another skill guy for Jalen hurts to maneuver with

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where Colin was right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Billy Donovan the Bulls cleaned house. They kept the one guy who I've been a fan of for years. Listen, they've been poorly running. They've never really had a plan. It's kind of a make it up as you go roster that it's unbalanced, not enough size. But the Bulls cleaned house and Jerry Reinsdorf and Michael Reinsdorf came out and said listen, Billy Donovan needs to okay the gm. He's a Hall of Fame coach. If the new GM doesn't like him, we're not hiring him.

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Where Colin was wrong my surprise team

[Colin Cowherd]

in the NBA this year was going to be the Dallas Mavericks and then Anthony Davis immediately got hurt and Kyrie Irving never came back. Cooper Flag was remarkable but they're terrible. A much worse record than last season. Listen, ever since they've Mark Cuban sold it, it's just felt like an unsettled franchise that can't quite get their feet or their bearings. I thought they were with Cooper, Flag and AD and maybe Kyrie Irving comes back late. It would be an offensive showcase and instead it was a hazmat spill where Colin was right, The Nil and the transfer portal, they're not perfect, but boy, they've made college basketball better. 18 1/2 million viewers. Michigan, UConn for men's hoop, biggest audience in seven years. The transfer portal lets really good programs solve issues immediately. And the Nil means more players from Europe are coming over and more really good players are staying. So the quality of college basketball is better because the rosters in college basketball are much older and it's working. It's not perfect, but it's working.

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Where Colin was, right?

[Colin Cowherd]

I never bought into this. Oh, Travis Hunter for the Jags. He can be corner, he can be a wide receiver. Not in today's football. There's too much good coaching. Who wants a part time receiver? The Jags announced last week he's going to be a full time corner. Listen, it's hard to find corners. It's easy to find wide receivers, so this is probably the right move. The kid is super talented. But I don't, I don't really buy into the, the two way thing. In football it works for Ohtani. He can pitch and he can hit. But in football, how many quarterbacks and offensive coordinators want a part time star wide receiver? It never felt right for me. Where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Well, timing's important in life. And Alan Shipnuk, 30 plus years as a golf rider, New York Times best selling author, just came out with a Rory McElroy book which I finished last week. It's really fascinating and you know, and let's bring Alan. He's finally back home and I'm undisclosed location, but I'm jealous beyond words and I'll just leave it at that. You know, the Rory book is many things, but golf. Allen has had a reputation for years. I didn't golf as a kid. We didn't have the money. I didn't buy golf courses. It's kind of elitist. But then there's Arnold Palmer who was an everyman. And then I think Rory has that in that he's a very vulnerable guy. You know, Scotty Scheffler a couple years ago said after a big win, he's like, it's not the most important thing to me. And it's like, well, Rory, I know it's the most important thing to him. And has that always been the case? I would argue the drought has Made him more emotional or has this always been who he is?

[Alan Shipnuk]

Yeah, I mean, even when he was a kid who took on the golf world as this incredible prodigy, he was still crying after the victories. It's always meant so much to him. He was a can't miss kid from the time he was five or six years old in Northern Ireland. And the burden of genius is a real thing. And he's always felt that weight of expectation. And so, yeah, last year the Masters was catharsis, you know, this year it was joy. But as you say, he just burns to fulfill this destiny of his, and that's why we're so invested in it. You know, Scheffler, it's like he's checking off a to do list. Okay, let me win the Masters. Let me win the PGA Championship. For Rory, there's so much emotion built into it. That incredible hug with his parents, that was only the second time his mom, Rosie, had been at one of his major championship victories. And you could just see this lifelong quest fulfilled by this whole family. It really is a special part of his story.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, he was 10 over on par fives. He hit 31 fairways, which is like, bizarrely low. I think it's the lowest ever for a champion. I mean, did he. I mean, for. There were portions of it. I mean, if somebody said, how would you describe this Masters for Rory? I would say it was the recovery Championship. It was recover. I mean, how would you describe it?

[Alan Shipnuk]

In some ways, it's his most impressive victory on the big stage because he never really had his A game. And we know that Rory's driver is his superpower. It's the differentiator. And he did not overwhelm this golf course with his driver. It was chipping putting, it was managing himself. It was squeezing the most out of his rounds on. On Thursday and Friday, and. And then when the jacket was there for the taking on Sunday, when everything was going sideways, he'd made that double bogey, he bogey six, but the whole tournament's been thrown into chaos. Then he found it, and he started flushing the ball. And he had great shots, obviously, on seven. That six iron into number eight was world class. The shot he hit into 12 was kind of going to be the defining birdie. That's the scariest shot in championship golf. He went right at that flag. So when he needed it most, he kind of accessed his genius. But then he was still holding on coming in. We saw it on 17 and 18. Those were great escapes. It was just. He never had his best Stuff. And for Rory to conquer Augusta national, to dust Scotty Scheffler when he's not driving it, well, it really is a delicious turn of events. And it's tantalizing to look forward because he's become such a complete golfer. He knows how to win on these stages, and we know he's going to start driving well soon enough. And. And then it's really fun to think about how far, how deep can Rory take this?

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, 10 under on the par fives. My bad. But he struggled putting early. Recovery shots, only hit 31 fairways, 10 under on the par fives. If you know, I talked about, like John Elway, MJ Ohtani, there are these audacious talents in the immense pressure, and then they win and everything gets a little easier. You know, when you were around Rory over the course of the last four to five days, did it to you when you were in his space? Did he just feel different than the Rory you'd known previously or a year ago?

[Alan Shipnuk]

I think we talked about this the last time you and I had a conversation early in Masters week, that Rory had a jauntiness early in the week. And no one's ever enjoyed being defending champ as much as Rory did. He was just swanning around in the green jacket. He was at the drive, trip and putt. He was at the women's amateur, of course, the Tuesday night dinner. Like, he was having so much fun. He was so relaxed. That's when I knew he was going to contend. And then he came out and he squeezed a lot of his rounds on Thursday and Friday. But I think all that disappeared on Master Saturday when it was like, okay, this has really happened. I can win this thing. And then the clench factor. And part of what makes Rory so compelling is there is a fragility there. There is a vulnerability. He is not a machine like Tiger, and it's always going to be a high wire act with Rory. And of course, we saw that again and again. Apparently he's always going to make a double bogey on Sunday when he wins the Masters. Most people cannot survive that. But Rory has died a thousand deaths on the golf course at this point in his life, and he's unfazed. He just keeps marching forward. And that tenacity and that resilience is probably his most incredible trait as an athlete, more than any, anything to do with his ball striking. And so he was three down through six holes on the final round, but he just kept coming. And as he's making birdies, everyone else started to retreat, and he Just grabbed the tournament by the throat. And it was tremendous performance under pressure. And it. It just shows how much he's matured as a player and as a competitor.

[Colin Cowherd]

Mickelson never won the US Open, finished second six times. As you noted, Mickelson was never number one. That's mostly because of Tiger. But I would say the depth and quality of golfers that Rory faces is. Feels like as good and as deep as it's ever been. I kind of feel Rory Mickelson could be a coin flip. I kind of think another Masters win puts Rory ahead of Mickelson. I mean, not that this is the be all, end all argument, but it is fascinating because I think he's in that rarefied air now. Maybe not Jack Tiger, but then there's the Faldos and the Mickelsons and the Palmers. Where are we on Rory's legacy?

[Alan Shipnuk]

Well, respectfully, I would say he's already surpassed Phil because of, you know, Phil never got to number one. He never won a money title. Rory's won three money titles in the U.S. he's won seven in Europe. He's the greatest global golfer, you know, since Gary Player. He's done all these things that Phil couldn't do, including Win the U.S. open. And the only, the only thing that Philhaus on his resume is more PGA Tour victories. But when you factor in what Rory's done in Europe, that. That's a wash anyway. The weight of the career Grand Slam, it moves him past Mickelson, past Faldo, past Trevino. These are all guys who have six major championships. I mean, Rory is in very rarefied air. The guys who have won seven, you know, that's a Mount Rushmore, it's Palmer, it's Sneed, it's Sarazin, Bobby Jones, if you don't count the amateur victories. So there's. Rory has a chance to be one of the top five golfers of all time. He needs probably two more majors, and he's there. So what he's doing is, you know, 13 months ago, you'd say Rory might have underachieved a little bit in his career. And now with the Grand Slam going back to back at Augusta, which only three other players have ever done, like, he is marching up the ladder of the all time greats. And it's awesome that we get to watch it in real time, you know, it's crazy.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I had said earlier, there was the prodigy stage, the rock star stage, the drought stage. This is the legendary stage. But if you look at his physical, his body he's obviously disciplined, whereas with Phil Mickelson, his lifestyle choices and his golf could be undisciplined. Right. With Rory, sometimes, like, like on the 18, I'm like, dude, grab a five wood. Just get it down the middle. Don't give us all a heart attack. Just get it and just hit it. 208. Just. And yet he goes and is, like, super aggressive. I guess my take is, with Mickelson, I understood the lack of discipline. I saw it all the time reading your book, Phil. I read it sometimes with Rory, I'm like, where does this wild side come from?

[Alan Shipnuk]

It's just the way he plays the game. The driver is his favorite club. And so if you're the caddy and you say, I don't like driver here, what you're saying to Rory is, I don't think you're good enough in this moment. You don't want to. You don't want to put that thought into his head. It's like, yes, you're a generational driver of the golf ball. Just do what you do. Now, obviously, he didn't, but he had it because he had, you know, a stroke to play with. You could make Bogan still win the green jacket. The thing about Augusta, they actually trim the trees. These guys always have a shot because they clip the branches. They want you to go for it. They want the hero recovery shots. Like, if you go, I was just down at the Players Championship, those trees are so thick, you can't hit those shots. Augusta literally thins out the branches because they want you to have a window. Now, you might set yourself on fire, but it's exciting to watch. And so I think Rory kind of knew, no matter where he drove it, he's going to be able to make five. And it turns out he was right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. Okay. Your new book, Rory the Heartache and Triumph of Golf's Most Human Superstar, just came out, and it's a great read. There's a moment where Rory is very unhappy with Alan. There is a depth to him, a humanity to him, and my staff just reminded me of this. I don't know how much you follow the New York jets, but Rory McIlroy has won the Masters twice since the jets had an interception, so he. Sorry, Jason. I apologize for that. I hope the book's going well. And when's the last time you saw Rory? Did you have any interaction the last time you saw him? Yeah.

[Alan Shipnuk]

So that was the last time you really had a chance to talk as humans was at pebble beach earlier this year. And I had given him a copy of the book early that week, and I said I wouldn't give it to you so far ahead of publication. I thought you were going to hate it. And he was appreciative. But I bumped into him Sunday night. We ran into each other and he told me he started reading it and he liked it. It made him laugh. And that kind of speaks to Rory. Even though he'd been spiky throughout the reporting of it, in the end he always carries himself with a certain amount of grace and humanity. And so I think that was his way of burying the hatchet. So I'm in a good place with Rory. But yeah, it's kind of fun that he won this week when it comes to the book. But it's not about me, Colin. I'm just a servant of the golf fans out there. So I'm happy that it's gonna give this book a little more life. Cause I think it's a feel good story. I mean, those images of Rory and his parents, if you don't get misty eyed at that, you're probably dead on the inside. Because it's just the ultimate sort of rags to riches story. And he's a champion that we can celebrate. I mean, you look at the last 30 years in golf, it's Tiger, it's Phil, it's Rory. And two of them have been so diminished by scandal and addiction and greed. And Rory just, he's a great champion. And I actually think he'll become a member of Augusta National. I think they're going to tap on the shoulder. And it's only been Arnie, Jack and Ben Crenshaw. I've been given that honor. But he's such a great ambassador. He looks good in green. Like, it's just the way that Rory moves through the world. So impressive.

[Colin Cowherd]

Alan, you're great. New York Times best selling author of the book is Rory. Highly recommend it. Always a pleasure to see you. Thank you.

[Alan Shipnuk]

Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

[Colin Cowherd]

You bet. Yeah. It's just he's, you know, it's. I've spent a lot of time on golf today, but I think Rory's really unique. He was. I mean, he struggled getting the ball in the fairway. It's wild. I like what Alan said about they want you to be more aggressive. They're, they're, they're trimming the branches. They want you to be aggressive. Struggled putting yesterday, but went after right after 12 par fives had success, but fairways didn't. A lot of recovery shots and yeah, it's it's the one event. I think I speak for a lot of people. It's the one event where the course carries a lot of weight. I mean, I love watching, you know, a Pinehurst or US Open St. Andrews, but it's just fun. It's fun tv. And, and Rory just, you know, like we said about certain actors, just pop on screen and pop through the screen. He does the exact same. And again, Tiger would shut the door on Sunday with a lead. Rory opens it, take a seat. Let's go for a fun ride. And that's what it was. Hi, it's Colin Coward. If you're looking for the best blend of durability and affordability in decking, Trust Summit Decking from Deckorators. Summit features deckorators patented Surestone technology so the boards won't splinter, sag, chalk or crack over time, and the colors three great options that really capture the rich textures of natural wood. Honestly, it's the best decking you didn't know you could afford. Order a sample before peak build season. Order a sample today. Visit decorators.com herd to get your free sample. That's decorators with A K. Again, decorators.com

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