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Colin Cowherd
Since the day we met.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the best of the Herd Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio.
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Colin Cowherd
It is a Wednesday. Welcome in. We are live. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. It is great to be here. I found out today that in the whole Fox Sports Radio division, my guy, Ryan Martin back in la, myself, all top of the food chain for our brackets. So middlekop, I know everybody, you're a football guy, but boy, some of this is going to seep over to you. By next year at this time, you're going to be winning your March Madness bracket. Got a lot of brainiacs here on the staff with hoops. Mine did not go well. I had St. John's making a run
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and Patino didn't make it far.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, okay, one hour from now, Dane Brugler comes on the show he released today. It's called the Beast at the Athletic in a highly comprehensive look at the NFL draft, which as of tomorrow is two weeks away. And I think the most interesting discussion is the edge rushers. It's a very good edge rusher draft and there are three in particular. Arvell Reese, Ohio State is the high ceiling guy but doesn't yet have a position. And then there's David Bailey, who's the safe pick. He's a plug and play guy. That's my guy. And then Reuben Bain could be better than all of them. You know, they worry about his measurables. I don't. I think he's going to be a great NFL player. But it's if I was the jets, this is the position and this is the pick. The number two pick. This is the position and pick. That's fascinating. If I was the jets ownership or general manager, I would pick David Bailey because I don't think Aaron Glenn knows what he's doing and I think he's going to be gone either mid season or next season and people will say, well, you can't go with the safe pick at number two. Well, I invest in real estate and stocks. Many of you invest in bitcoin sometimes. I like just being comfortable. Okay. Edge rushers, and I love them, do not win Super Bowls. Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, T.J. watt. I think their playoff record is 1 and 6. You can look it up, but I'm committed to memory on that. I think it's one in six. You got to get three things right in this league to win Super Bowls. Head coach, quarterback, and above average left tackle. If those are all really, really good, you can win Super Bowls without a great edge rusher. It's nice to have a nice situational pass rush, but how many great pass rushers did Belichick and Brady have? I mean, top of the food chain. Miles Garrett. No, they just got pressure situationally on the opposing quarterbacks. What the jets can't do with number two is have another bust or somebody they can't figure out because they already had two of those with Zach Wilson and Makai Becton. And Makai Becton is really instructive. He was the tackle that had some weight issues, but everybody said, oh, my God, he is. His ceiling is 100 stories high. He's mostly a bust bounce around the league guy, you know, was picked two picks after him. Just another boring, strong Iowa guy. Tristan worse. John remembers that he was a right tackle. He was viewed only as a right tackle. You know, he was a strong guy. But Beckton, Beckton, Becketon. To have luggage, will travel. Tristan Wurfs is a monster. Just another great Iowa NFL player. So here's the thing. If you have the head coach and quarterback, right, and the jets don't, but I think it's very possible in one year from today, they will. What you want to do is have really good football players. And the jets need about seven to eight really good football players. What they. What they don't need is a guy that was great at the combine is blows you away on YouTube, but he doesn't have a position. Now it's the jets, so who knows what they'll do. But I go back to Bitcoin bros, right? Like, why don't you get stable before you try to get rich? The average American millionaire gets there at 61. Even at 51. That's remarkable. Most people are millionaires. The jets are always over swinging. The Browns are always over swinging. Just go get a really good football player. This idea that you can't hit doubles in life. Why not? I mean, again, there are times to be super aggressive, and then there are times like when you're a bad football operation, dude hit a bunch of doubles off the wall. Daniel Jeremiah used to work for the Ravens, and that was kind of the Ravens theory that you can win a lot of games without hitting a ton of home runs. In the draft. Here's Daniel.
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Daniel Jeremiah
We'll live with doubles off the wall all day long. We don't need to take a wild swing. We can't afford to miss in the first round. So with the Bailey Reese debate, which I think is a fascinating one, I think for 26, for sure, no question it's Bailey and that's how I have them stacked up. But if you're the jets and everything's kind of pointing towards 27, where they have those three first round picks and if they want to take a swing on somebody that does have more ceiling, more upside, and they're not really going to be a competitive team here in 26, I could see them getting to Reese as their pick. For me, personally, I would take Bailey.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I would take Bailey. By the way, my staff updated me. Garrett Crosby and T.J. watt are 1 and 8 in the playoffs. You know who's who's not 1 and 8 in the playoffs. Teams with great O lines like, like this idea that you can't play it safe in the draft if you're getting to a position, that's an important position, but it's not coach, it's not quarterback, it's not left tackle in this day and age. It's not an elite position weapon, it's not an interior defensive lineman where there are just not many body types like that. I would go David Bailey first. Now, now Arvell Reese at number four with Robert Sala. Oh, I like that because Robert Sala took smoke and mirrors Bondo and band aids and peanut brittle last year in San Francisco and had very good defense. I trust Robert Sala to take an Arvell Reese I do not trust. Currently the New York Jets. I saw this story speaking in New York. Dexter Lawrence, good defensive lineman for the Giants, wants a new contract. Made it public and the headline in this story is the Dexter Lawrence situation becomes the first test of the Joe Shane, John Harbaugh relationship. You could just put Harbaugh's name in that headline and not Joe Shane. The relationship is John Harbaugh calls the shots. Let me simplify it. Head coaches make between nine and $15 million a year. GMs make between two and four. The owner listens to the GM. Sean Payton wanted wide receiver Jaylen Waddle. He got him. Spent a lot of money on him. GM probably pushed back. Sean wanted him, they got him. The Giants. Historically, this has always been the book on the New York Giants and the Morris is that it's the head coach, top of the food chain and then it Goes. The construct of it is that then the coach is down the list. The head coach ran it. But remember Harbaugh? The jets were such a mess. Tennessee wanted John Harbaugh, and they were going to give him a lot of power, but he wanted the Giants, and he said, well, then I want to get power. So John Harbaugh took the Giants job. And it's kind of understood in the building that Joe Shane is a highly compensated, very powerful scout. And Harbaugh is running the show as good as Les Snead is in Los Angeles. And he's exceptional. Sean McVay in the Big moment calls the shots. There are very few powerful GMs in this league. Okay? John Snyder in Seattle's got a lot of juice and momentum. Howie Roseman, probably the most powerful. Brett Veach, all the. All the trophies. But. But the Cleveland owner wanted Shador Sanders drafted. They drafted him. I mean, Liam Cohen had never been a coach, high school, college, anywhere, ever. And Liam Cohen said he was a hot coaching prospect. Never been a coach, head coach. And he goes, okay, I'll go to Jacksonville. You got to fire the gm. They fired the gm. That's the way the game works. So I think. I think Joe Douglas got housed with the Jets. I actually. I didn't like the Zach Wilson pick at all or Makai Beckton, but I thought he had a lot of good picks. Do you think he wanted to fire Robert Sala in, like, Week five? Of course not. He was overridden. The Minnesota Vikings today do not have a general manager. You know who's going to run the draft? The coach, Kevin o'. Connell. So John Harbaugh. The relationship is this. John's the boss, and Joe nods his head. And if John wants something, John gets it. That doesn't mean they can't, like, discuss it. Doesn't mean Joe Shane is incapable with his staff of doing some really smart things. But it's John's organization, and that's the only way he was going to take that job, because Tennessee was interested and was going to give him all sorts of power. And this is where I'll defend the NFL coaches. I think there's an order to things. But if college head coaches, if Kurt Signetti can run all his personnel, what the NFL guys are saying is college guys are doing it. I've been in the league 15 years. I want some say on this stuff. And in a lot of instances, McVeigh has a very good eye for talent. Sean Payton has a good eye for talent. I would rather have a GM make I would rather it go in order, ideally, but that's not what's happening with the New York Giants, and that's not what's happening right now in the NFL. There are times, have you noticed, with Denver, and I think their GMs capable, more than capable. Smart guy. Everybody's. Every time you say they reached on a guy, it's always a skill player in Denver. Harvey shouldn't go second round. Shawn wanted him. Jalen Waddle. That's a lot. Sean wanted him. That's the way it works in Denver. So here was John Harbaugh last week on the Dexter Lawrence trade request out
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John Harbaugh
of New York, speaking for the Giants. We want Dexter here, and I believe Dexter wants to be here. You know, that's. That's a good. That's a good formula. But there's business involved. It's a business proposition. We know it's pro football, and these things happen every year pretty much on every team. So. Not surprised by it. Saw it coming a few weeks back, probably, and good conversations with Dexter's agent, Joel Siegel, and understood what they were thinking. And this is where we're at, so we'll just try to work through it.
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Colin Cowherd
And they put John Harbaugh on the mic for that. John Harbaugh on the zoom call for that. John Harbaugh to speak for the Giants on that. That's the relationship, you know, I had to defend. It's unbelievable. Yesterday, I had to fight off UConn fans about, you know, the officials who really handed Michigan a national championship. So I went last night and I just started YouTubing and looking up the Michigan UConn game. I got to six fouls on UConn that weren't called. One of them is right before half when the Michigan guy gets knocked over, heaves it toward the basket. And they didn't call it. Now, I wasn't deeply bothered by it. I said, going into the game, guys, there's. Whoever loses is going to blame the officials. The officials are going to let a lot of stuff go. So whoever is stronger and bigger has the advantage. And of the two teams, usually it's UConn against Michigan. It was Michigan. Dusty May is stopping by today. The Michigan coach also, you know, there's a bunch of interesting stuff today. Again, Dane Bugler. Tomorrow, top or today? Top of the hour, 45 minutes. Tomorrow, I'm going to give you my probably final mock draft. Based on what I'm hearing, what I'm guessing, what I'm thinking and who I would pick, David Bailey would be my number two pick. But it's interesting. You know, the NBA draft's going to be the best draft in the NBA. And I'm, I'm not a historian on drafts in the NBA. I think it's the best NBA draft. I remember. I'll leave it at that. I remember, I think there's like eight really good players. Like that could be, I mean, that could literally be All Stars, eight guys and it wouldn't take that long. But the one player and you're starting to hear people chip away at him. I actually think in the new NBA, not the old one, the new one, the things that people like about him really work and somebody's going to steal him at about the 11th, 12th or 13th pick or thereabouts.
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Colin Cowherd
it's going to be an incredible NBA draft and I want to talk about this. Dusty May is coming on today. It's very interesting. Yaxel lend a board. So he's a fascinating player. People are concerned for a couple of things, but when I looked his strengths up, they said offensive versatility, defensive versatility and improved shooting. The big question is, well, he's not really explosive. And that's what's interesting. I think in the old NBA that mattered a lot more. But the best player in the NBA easily right now is Jokic. Would you describe him as explosive? Luca and sga. The SGA is more explosive than he gets credit for. I wouldn't term him explosive. You know who else has never been called explosive? Steph Curry. Here's explosive guys. Ja Morant and Zion. Zach Levine who just got the bag. Stevie Francis, John Wall, Derrick Rose. They all aged really quickly. That's what you get with explosive guy is that. When I look at what the NBA is now, there's three or four things that jump out to me. Number one is the game is really fast. I need really good decision makers, high IQ decision makers. Games go on warp speed. But what it really is now is a skill shooting scheme. League. That's what it is, skill shooting scheme. I'll give you an example. Aaron Gordon was in Orlando. He was an athletic freak and he jumped his way right out of Orlando. They traded him when he became a better passer and shooter and a more refined offensive player. Aaron Gordon now is essential to Denver. He got smarter, he became a better shooter, he refined his skills. Now Aaron Gordon is a must have player, a great NBA player in Orlando. Man, look at those hops. And there's nothing wrong with that. But Vince Carter, no rings, never NBA all first team is the definition of explosive. And I love Vince. Nice guy, great player, no first team, all NBA. Blake, by the way, zero all star games after 30 athletic guys age quick. Blake Griffin, five of his six all star teams. 25 years and younger again. Once he started shooting, I started really liking Blake Griffin. So you know, I, when I look at Jackson Lenaborg, my take is 6, 9, 2, 40, really bright, runs the floor. One of those scheme fit everywhere guys. I again, I'm not saying he's top seven pick. I have a hard time believing he has any bust in him. I think he's a big dude who runs the floor and can hit a three. That, that's the new NBA. It's amazing when you look at the most explosive guys in league history, obviously Jordan is one of them. He almost comes across as an outlier. A lot of the explosive guys, they don't end up with rings. They win slam dunk contests. They're our favorite players. But they, they, they and again MJ and Kobe. Absolutely. I'm not saying I'm, I'm not looking for some twitch, you know, or some length, but I have a hard time. I remember when Zach Edie came into the league. Well, you know, he doesn't move well enough and I'm like, he was unstoppable in college. He's a smart kid. I think it's, I think he's going to be able to play in the NBA and I think I can't see Axel not working. I just can't see it. We'll ask Dusty May in 15, 20 minutes.
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I don't want to miss the lineup. I'm gonna ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the stadium.
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Colin Cowherd
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On the Serving Pancakes podcast, conversations about volleyball go beyond the court. Today we have a little best friend compatibility test. Okay, how long have we been best friends for?
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Colin Cowherd
Since the day we met.
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Colin Cowherd
So as many of you know, I regularly visit LA there next week, but I live now in Chicago. And when I came, when I came to Chicago, I told my wife, I said, let's, let's, you know, let's do stuff. And so we got Bulls season tickets and Blackhawks and we go to the United Center a lot. And so I'm, I follow the Bulls. You know, when I'm in a town, I tend to follow the teams more closely because I see them on TV more. So the Bulls blew out their GM and they blew out their basketball operations, people. And they needed to. There was no plan. It was just, what are they doing? And they kept Billy Donovan, the coach, who I like a lot. And so Jerry Reinsdorf, the owner, said yesterday, came out and he got a lot of pushback on this. He said, we're keeping Billy Donovan. If the GM doesn't understand how good he is, then we're not hiring him. And that got a lot of pushback. So there is this belief in, you know, the NBA and pro sports that there has to be an order to everything. And you hire the general manager, he hires the coach, he hires the staff. But I would remind people that when the Lakers dominated this league, you had Pat Riley, Jerry west and Phil Jackson often at odds. I don't know any of them truly get along. And they all had egos and none remained Lakers for life. And it was, you know, there was, everybody was kind of, it was in a, it was a lot of grabbing for headlines. And I, I, I, you know, I know each of them. No, I don't know. Phil met Riley, talked to Jerry west multiple times. It worked because they were all great at their job. Phil Riley and West Great at their job. Billy Donovan, I, I know everybody wants to fire everybody. Billy Donovan took Florida at the time was a football school and built the closest thing we have now to UConn, a dominant, suffocating defensive dynasty. He then goes to Oklahoma city and won 60 plus percent of his games. First year, got to the Western Conference finals in Oklahoma City. And his troubles, you know, when KD leaves you, that can create a little hole in your offense every time. He's had good players and he has a say in choosing them, he wins a lot quickly. And by the way, what Jerry Reinsdorf did in his press conference is the opposite. He pivoted because he favored the gm, Jerry Krause over Phil Jackson and Michael Jordan. And that did not work out. So what he's saying is, no, I got the coach and maybe one of my, after this draft and a couple of the young players. I like some players and I like to coach and the coach is going to get a say. And I know there's supposed to be an order to everything. I get that. But I'm always back to like, if you took a company over, let's say you bought a small company and you interviewed. It was a small company, 12 people, and you, you didn't love the CEO, so you can the CEO, but you love two of the vice presidents. Do I gotta flush them out? What if you're like, yeah, the CEO is the problem, the GM was the problem. The vice president of marketing, the vice president of distribution are great, but in the end they were vice presidents. They didn't run basketball ops or gm. So I think Billy Donovan was trapped. I told you a couple days ago, I had a theory on what happened. Carolina offered Billy Donovan the job and then Billy Donovan told the Bulls is, listen, we got to make some changes upstairs or I'm out of here. And Jerry Reinsdorf, who loves Donovan, said okay, and tilted the United center on its side and flushed those guys out. That's my working theory right now, is that he didn't want to lose Donovan. And Donovan's like, you know, I don't think Donovan's a power hungry guy, but I think he's a super smart guy. And I just don't think there's the, the idea that if you just think about this, structurally, foundationally, for every company in the country, why do I have to go always in order? What if I love the number 2, 3 and 4 guy at a company and didn't like, didn't like the CEO? I'll just go hire a new CEO and Keep the people under him. A lot of the decisions made every time Billy Donovan either selects the players, has say or build something, he wins in Chicago, I don't think he had the leverage. You know, I think he was a good employee. You know, we'll do this, we'll do that. But there were just too many mistakes in Chicago upstairs. I don't think Donovan's the problem here was Michael Reinsdorf, Jerry's son. He's the one that controls the Bulls on Billy Donovan's future. Billy wants to be our coach, and someone's not interested in that, then they're probably not the right candidate for us. If he came to me and said, hey, I may want to do a B.R. stevens situation, I would sit down and listen to Billy. I don't think that's where his head's at.
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Colin Cowherd
But no. So I don't think. I don't think Billy cares about titles. Billy cares about, you know, being a head coach and he cares about the players and cares about the organization. That's what I've heard for years on Billy Donovan. He's not a power grab guy. That's not it. He wants to be surrounded by smart people. You give him good players, he'll develop them, make them better players. That's my take. Dusty May. Boy, you talk about good coach. National championship for Michigan, Dane Brugler. Top of the hour. Good show. Coming up, the Herd.
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Colin Cowherd
Dusty May, now the coach of Michigan national champs, is joining us. And we got a couple of interesting topics. So I. I said on the air the day before the title, I said, whoever loses is going to blame the officials. It's going to. Because UConn can only beat you one way, they're going to have to hit jumpers and make it ugly. I want you to take. And right before half, one of your guys gets kind of banged into and they don't call it a foul. And I'm like, well, they're kind of being consistent because there's a lot of hammering here. How did you look at the game? I'm sure you knew going into it it was going to be physical. Your takeaway and the officiating in the game.
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Dusty May
Yeah, the best team, Colin. The best teams in college basketball, they know how to foul legally, meaning they know how to get away with it. And even our guys, you know, I'm not playing higher ground here. They just do such a good job of being physical while showing their hands. It's Kind of like the old Bo Ryan Wisconsin defenses. And so that. That's exhausting. It's. It's tough to shoot and finish and score. So I think both teams were playing with great physicality, and I thought their game plan was an A plus for knocking us off with. With our. With our speed, athleticism and ability, score and transition. So kudos to those guys. Coach Hurley, I mean, there's a reason he's at the top of our sport. He's brilliant.
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Colin Cowherd
Hurley said the officiating crew is great. Do you share that?
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Dusty May
It was a great crew. Yeah. And those guys would communicate with you. They're fair. They would let you vent when you're frustrated. I thought they did a great job. And even if they came out on top, that game was won because we made just a few more plays than them.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So I got into this conversation. I said, in the old days, explosive NBA players, it felt like it was more of an explosive league in the Jordan era. And I said, the pacing now is so fast. It's about shooting and scheme and skill. And I want guys that make really quick decisions because the pacing of the NBA is ridiculous. It's 100 miles an hour. I need cognitive guys who can make quick, smart decisions. So when people look at Yaxel Lenneborg, people I read the scouting report and they're like, well, he's okay. He's smart and can shoot, but, you know, he's not real explosive. And I'm like, I don't think of sga, Jokic and Luka as explosive. I like smart guys to get up the floor. Do you think he transitions to the NBA and if so, why?
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Dusty May
I do. Colin, I think you're ahead of the game with that evaluation. The processing power is his strength. I don't know if I've ever been around someone that can learn things on the fly and be able to change his move or his body contortion based on something that he saw a month ago. And so that processing his passing ability, his ability to see the floor, I think those are all really unique now. And he's a different athlete where when you watch him, he doesn't seem like a plus athlete. And then you see him make these athletic plays where go underneath and dunk on three guys. And I just think he's. He's so untapped because he's so new to the game.
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Colin Cowherd
So Mark Fuse, a friend that he was funny, he said, can you imagine being in the NFL? The season ends, the super bowl the next day. Everybody's a free Agent, he goes, that's what college basketball coaches feel like with this ridiculous portal. It is absurd. You got a couple of guys to replace. So are you basically on Zoom calls for the next several days? I mean, you're right in the middle of it, right? Have you already landed anybody? What are you doing for the next three days?
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Dusty May
No, we actually just finished a Zoom before I jumped on Colin. Literally. We, we finished the game the other night. We get back to the hotel at 2am There's a reception for friends and family and those that are associated with the program. And so we have a couple pops and some, some food. And I think I slept an hour and got up and did the whole morning show circuit. We flew back and as we landed, my wife looked at me and said, are you coming home? And I gave her the side eye. No, this, these next two weeks are, they are our Super Bowl. And if we have a, if we want to have a chance, a chance to play in Detroit 365 days from now, then, then we've got to hit these next two weeks and fill some holes.
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Colin Cowherd
So you. I said this the other day, and this is not a criticism. I said, you know, you guys are telling me this is an all time great team. And I said, I saw a team with Akeem and Drexler not win a title. I saw a team with Chris Mullen, Mark Jackson, Bill Winnington and Walter Berry not win a title. I said, what? Michigan is a reminder of how great college basketball is. When guys stick around for a second, third and fourth year, you get grown men playing. I said, so is Michigan all time? I said, I don't know. But they, they remind me of an 80s and 90s team. You took a freshman, you took a couple of guys who were on the team before you got there that weren't great. A couple of transfers. The really the player for me, Adai Mara, is the one I look at and I go, man, I never saw that coming. When did you realize with him? Because you know, Lenberg was already a good player. But when did you realize with Mara, you know what guys? This is going to be. He's going to be a really high end player. I just saw a tall Spaniard, you know, I didn't see it. Did you know? I mean, was it a week into practice? Was it mid season? When did you know? Wow. With him and Yaxel and our size. This is different.
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Dusty May
Well, it wasn't when we played UCLA last year because Vlad golden had his way with a die and he didn't look very Good. And then he had a couple games throughout the season and you watch these Big Ten teams and he had a couple games throughout the season where he showed glimpses. So after the year was over, we went in and went back and like we did with Vlad and Danny, looked at all of his old footage and we saw him with Zaragoza and playing in the ACB and we saw him on the national team and his passing and footwork were elite. Now he didn't have the physicality, I don't know that he, if you put him in the right schemes where there's cutting to the rim, there's floor spacing, he looked even better than if he was playing with non shooters. So we thought situationally he had a big, big upside. And the first exhibition early on in the year, he wasn't playing very well. So it just took him some time of us playing him through mistakes, us being frustrated with each other for a couple of weeks, and then he just gradually got better throughout the season. And he's such a beautiful person. That's the thing about our team. These are such great guys to be around. They all wanted to do this for each other, which is rare.
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Colin Cowherd
Minute and a half left, Big Ten is rolling. I would think it would be very easy to go to your boosters and say, guys, this ain't gonna last. This is the Big Ten. Like you guys are the power conference. Do you think this dominance continues?
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Dusty May
I think the Big Ten is positioned to do this type of thing every year. Now the thing with basketball, it's a one game series and you could have nine of the 10 best teams and not win a national championship as a conference. So it's incredibly difficult to do as we, as we've seen, you know, these, these teams for smaller conferences even be able to win it. Or Baylor from the Big 12. It's been spread out, but yes, I think the Big Ten is going to be in position because of the care for athletics. When you look at how much sports and athletics mean on Big Ten campuses and the resources available, everyone in the Big Ten is, you know, the west coast schools, everyone has the ability to generate revenue for their players, significant revenue for their players. And so there's no reason for why the Big Ten doesn't do what we've been able to do in football, in my opinion.
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Colin Cowherd
Colin, does breakfast taste different when you're a national champion? Is it, is it a little different when you wake up?
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Dusty May
No, not at all. Because of the current climate, we can't even enjoy it because we're driven to do this again. And we are process oriented. I'm not, I don't really want to do the parade and all the other stuff that comes with it. I want to recruit, get a roster for next year that we feel that we would love to work with every single day would have a chance to do this and then take some time to enjoy it when our players go home for the summer. And the one thing about winning, you get to do a lot of really cool things when time permits. So that's when I'll celebrate the championship whenever we get to do some real cool experiences.
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Colin Cowherd
Dusty, great. I got to be honest, I'm a good luck charm. I keep putting you on and you keep winning. I won my bracket amongst my friends. So congrats to you and the Wolverines.
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Dusty May
Wow. I appreciate that. Colin, Big fan of the show.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Thank you. Yeah, we're feeling pretty good here on Fox Sports Radio. Our staff that we just found out today, our staff sort of cleaned up Fox Sports Radio. We're kind of the envy. All our guys crushed in the brackets because we all took Michigan. That was the secret. Take Michigan. Greg Tuohy, Way to go, buddy. Back in la, he crushed as well. Martin, way to go. All right, Dane Brugler, the Beast.
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Colin Cowherd
I thought this was interesting. So seven straight years as of tomorrow, it's officially two weeks to the draft. Seven straight years. A team in the top five in the draft has made the playoffs that next year. So last year New England and the Jags did. So let's put up the top five teams in the draft. Vegas, the New York Jets, Arizona, the Tennessee Titans and the New York Giants. Okay, so I'm going to eliminate two of them. The Jets. I don't think the head coach knows what he's doing in Arizona. You're in a division with McVeigh, stacked roster. Shanahan, good roster. Mike McDonald, good roster. So let's just be realistic. I don't even know who's quarterback in the Cardinals right now. So Jets. Cardinals take them out. Las Vegas. I'm going to reluctantly take them out. Division's good. First year head coach, rookie quarterback. I think they're going to be a much improved team. But in that division with a rookie quarterback, they may not kind of get it gelling till Thanksgiving. So then you look at the Titans and Giants. One of those, if the trend keeps going, is going to be a Playoff team. I like the Titans a lot but the Titans last year I looked it up this morning. Here are their three wins. A one point win over Arizona, a two point win over Cleveland and they beat Kansas City. Without Mahomes the Titans point differential was awful. They Robert Sal in that front office need two drafts. They need secondary help, O line help, weapons help. They just don't have enough good players so I'm going to eliminate them. Plus the Jags are pretty good in that division. So is Houston. I think the Giants are a playoff team and I don't think it's. I don't think it's that that difficult and I love Salah but you got to be fair with Robert. They don't have enough players. They need seven starters out of the draft. The New York Giants don't. They need three. The Giants have to find a right tackle, another weapon on the perimeter, get a good corner or safety and the Giants are good. I think the Giants between upgrading and also in the Giants division here, here's a big plus. Philadelphia is noisy and right now there's a lot of questions in Philadelphia, Washington, it feels like the GM and the coaching staff. Dan Quinn's on the hot seat. Jaden Daniels off an injury struggled to stay healthy so far in the NFL. Dallas, they're just not close defensively. So I look at the Giants and I look at the head coach, the quarterback, the defensive line, the rush, the left tackle. Never forget the New York Giants did something last year that's weird. There were four and 13. They led by 10 or more in five of their losses. That's an NFL record. Most of the NFL the Titans were bad, the Giants weren't. They just couldn't seal wins. And I think the Giants are a playoff team leading by 10 points. They blew five games leading entering the fourth they blew three games and they were awful in one score games and a lot of that is they have rookie quarterback, you know, scatter boo got hurt, couldn't depend on the run game, couldn't melt the clock and a rookie quarterback so and I was looking this morning at the Giants I think they'll make it eight straight year if the Giants opponents so they've got some tough road games. Seahawks, Rams, Lions. Those are tough road games. They got some W's at home Commanders, Cardinals, Browns, Saints, Titans, the Giants. The Giants have nine wins on this schedule now. I don't think they're going to go to LA and Seattle and win but you don't. None of us know. I mean right now with CJ Stroud and the Texans. I think the Lions knew OC is good. You look at that schedule, I don't know. I think the Giants are an eight or nine win team. And I and I'll say this, if depending on how the draft goes, if they get like a Carnell Tate and neighbors, they've got the kid from Baltimore. Scatter. Boo's back. I don't know. Used to be, you know, you think to yourself, top of the draft, that's not the league. Seven straight years. Here's John Harbaugh on meeting with the Giants players this week.
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John Harbaugh
It's just a bunch of people coming together to build something together that is, that is a team. And plays like a team and plays like a team better than any other team. If you do that, then you have a chance to be the best team because the best team is the team that plays the best. I might have said that in the meeting today, you know, and it was fun to be around the guys. It was fun to stand in front of the New York Giants today.
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