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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
The Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Man do we have stuff today? We have so much stuff. We may just go four hours. Call Nick Wright, tell him we'll have to bump him live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. I got to get the shirt right here. I got. I mean, I got. I'm doing so much intel here today and working the phones, I'm not even ready to go. J. Mac, I can't go to the Knicks Lakers tonight. I've got. And I'm watching the game, but I've got a little bit of a meeting I got to go to.
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Jason McIntyre
Hey, you had one last night too, huh? Stiff arm Me?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it's not about. It was an intel meeting last night. I got all sorts of good stuff.
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Jason McIntyre
I. I just happened to be with an NBA former NBA coach last night.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh. Oh. How'd that go? He.
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Jason McIntyre
I think you. We could probably get him on the show. He had some interesting things to say, shall we say?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I know who it was. Good guy. So I. So let's start with this. I've been watching the NBA since the early 70s, and this year, I think this is kind of funny, but I'm all of a sudden a Jason Tatum hater. And all I said about seven years ago is this kid's really good, but he may want to model his game after Kobe Bryant, but he's not Kobe. Like, you gotta occasionally, as a star, just be selfish. Even Steph Curry, who I love, can be. Hey, it's my ball. Stay away. And so I've said with Tatum, I look at the Celtics as a great team, and he's their most versatile, talented player, but he's not always their best player. And I'm not even sure if he's their lead alpha. I think Jaylen Brown is. So last night's a great example. Three Celtics were out. Drew Holiday, Porzingis and Jayson Tatum, and Peyton Pritchard scored 43 and Derrick White scored 41. That's what makes the Celtics great. It's not Tatum. It's the team thing that tells you a lot about the team in the 70s. The Sonics were. Were great. The leading score in their championship year was Gus Williams 19. A game the Washington Bullets at the time they were called, they were great. Their best player in their championship season, Elvin Hayes, 19 points. A game like the 70s was about team construction, good coaching, one B star, right? Then Magic, Dynasties, Bird dynasty, Shaq Dynasty, Kobe dynasty, LeBron, Steph, KD, MJ. Then it was the dynasties taking over the NBA. Duncan, it was unbelievably otherworldly. All time talents, you know, guys that are on the all time starting five, first, second, third team. What the Celtics are is 70s basketball. Now they may be the best constructed team ever, but this is not a star driven team. Last night's a great example. In fact, think about this. When Jokic misses a game, the Denver Nuggets are 10 points less of a team and they're like under 500. When Steph misses a game, warriors are 7 points less of a team. I looked it up this morning. Here's another one. When Giannis is out the Bucks 500 team seven points less as a team. When Jason Tatum is out the last two years, the Celtics are not only 10 and two, they're eight points better without him. So you're trying to tell me he's Steph? You're trying to tell me he's Giannis, you're trying to tell me he's Jokic. The team's eight points better when he leaves. In fact, Last night's the first time in Celtics history two guys scored 40 plus points. Tatum and Brown have never done it. So if it's like telling me Brock Purdy should be paid like Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and Mahomes, Jason Tatum's really good. But the story last night is what they are. They are, they are a master class in roster construction because Danny Ainge is a personnel savant and so is Brad Stevens. Back to back brilliant GMs Howie Roseman level, aggressive, smart, risk taker. Stevens is brilliant. He's too smart for college basketball probably. And Danny Age is brilliant. How many teams has he taken to the showers over the years? And they've constructed. I mean it's like they beat the NBA apron. Like they're, they have a cheat code. They just, they have more good players than everybody. I mean, Peyton Pritchard dropping 43. The hell's going on? No other team's got a guy like Peyton Pritchard going to win six man of the year dropping 43 when the stars out. So Holiday's out, Porzingis is out, Tatum's out. They got two other guys that can go 40 plus. So it's not a criticism. They're like the 70s team. They're not Shaq and Kobe, they're not Stephen KD, they're not MJ and Pippen. I mean I don't. They're not even Duncan Parker and Mano Manu Ginobili. They are the greatest Roster constructed team with the most depth arguably ever. If in the 70s they would have been the team that won a second or a third title. But they're not beating Shaq and Kobe, they're not beating Michael and Scotty or Katie and Steph. That's not what they are. And so I just thought it was great last night that I've been saying this on and on. You are trying to get me to put Tatum in this group with Jokic and staff and KD and LeBron and the numbers are 10 and 2 and even play. This is the best 1970s basketball team on the planet. They just play in 2024 and 2025. And I think they will beat Cleveland in the Eastern Conference finals and that will be the NBA Finals. The two best teams are Cleveland and Boston. Cleveland is a load, but I think Boston, what they did last night is. I don't think Cleveland can do that regularly. If Donovan Mitchell's out, it's not the same team. Tatum's out eight points better. And. And so don't confuse contextualization and hate. I love Tatum. He's one of those guys, he'd make every team in the league. He's a tremendous player. It's a it. I think he's closer to like Klay Thompson now. He's better than Klay Thompson. When Klay Thompson was the best two guard in the league, I had said at the time, he's the only player in the NBA you could put on every team and it wouldn't affect the team. It would just make them better. If you put LeBron, who's a better player than Klay Thompson, if you put LeBron on every single team, it would screw up some teams because he in his prime was the ecosystem for every offense. You could just put Klay Thompson on any team in the league and be like, yep, we got the best catch and shoot guy. Best number two defender in the league. And so I think that's Jason Tate. I think Jason Tatum is actually closer to Clay in his prime. Then Stephan is prime and I think I. And, and you'd think that's a. Klay Thompson's a Hall of Famer now. I think Tatum's better than Klay Thompson, but Klay fits everywhere. Tatum fits everywhere. But when Klay Thompson took the night off, warriors were fine. Steph takes the night off. Sub 500. It's different. Joe Missoula on Derrick White and Peyton Pritchard lighting up the world last night, they were tremendous. I mean, I think with guys out and playing against A really good Portland team. We're needed to have guys step up. And the way those two plays just shows a lot about who they are. You know, they do a lot of the dirty stuff. When we're fully healthy, they do a lot of the things, you know, for the team. And to have a night like this where those two can show what they're capable of was big for us. So, you know, we're lucky to have them. And it was a lot of fun to watch them do that. By the way, before you bang on that Klay Thompson reference. Klay Thompson was a top five or six defender in the league and the best catch and shoot guy in the league. And there's going to be a first ballot hall of Famer. So don't, don't give me this. Jason Tatum is better than Klay Thompson. He is. Klay Thompson in his prime was unbelievable. I mean, when you get a nickname as a backcourt splash brothers, when you're considered better than Jerry west and Gale Goodrich. Yeah, yeah. Klay Thompson was unbelievable in his prime. He can still drop 24 on any given night. Okay, so this happened yesterday. DK Metcalf wants to be traded. J. Mac hit on this a year and a half ago. Gotta give him credit. He said we're in a, you heard, a housing bubble. He said we're in a wide receiver bubble. We're paying these guys too much. And it's really interesting. So right now, DK Metcalf is $31 million against the cap. And I know he's good, but I was thinking about this driving to work this morning. Jamar Chase wants $40 million a year. Jamar Chase played last year and with Joe Burrow, they couldn't make the playoffs. Justin Jefferson's the best receiver in league history. Through five years, he's never won a playoff game. The Eagles won the Super Bowl. Jalen Hurts threw for 18 regular season touchdown passes. Until this super bowl, the Chiefs had dominated the league recycling wide receivers. The Bills got better without Stefan Diggs. The only time the Patriots and Brady had a great receiver like an all timer was Randy Moss didn't win a Super bowl the last three seasons. NFL touchdown wide receiver leaders have a single playoff win. So it's not that I don't like receivers, but I'm going to talk about something that never gets discussed. In fact, I've never seen this discussed even online. I'm sure it has been. What I like about wide receivers, do they move the chains? Do they get first downs? Edelman with Brady, Omaron St. Brown with Goff. Puka with Stafford. Kittle with Brock Purdy. Dallas Goddard with Philadelphia. They move the chains. I've said this about the deep threat receiver. He's the convertible sports car of the NFL. Useless, flashy, fun. Talked about useless. December, January. So Amaron st. Brown has 73 catches that resulted in first downs. That's what I want. Brock Bowers as a rookie tight end and the Raiders were bad at quarterback, had 61 catches that resulted in first downs. DK Metcalf had 35 and was also the most penalized receiver since he entered the league. So half the time because of tantrums, he's pulling you back to first and 30 or first and 20. So it's not that I don't like him, but Jim Harbaugh's career. Everybody's like DK Metcalf, Chargers. If you go look at Jim Harbaugh's career, he doesn't have dominant number one receivers. Jim Harbaugh has coached in six, either conference championships in college or conference championships in the NFL. That's a lot. 6. Who's his dominant number one receiver? That's not who he is. So I don't think this is a fit to the Chargers. I really don't. They moved off Bosie yesterday. They're going to draft an end rusher. I think of. I think of hardball, I think of toughness, I think of O line, D line. I think of physicality, I think of risk taking. I don't think wide receiver. But it's not that I don't like DK Metcalf, but he is the most penalized receiver since he entered the league and he doesn't get enough first downs. I like Goddard and Kittle and Puka and I. Who I really love is OMARON ST. BROWN. 73 catches are first downs. I don't need 42 speed. That's awesome at the combine. I don't need it. When he was in his prime, Cooper cup was a first down. You go to that Matt Stafford run to win the Super Bowl, Cooper cup was a first down. That's what I'm into. Not $40 million a year. $31 million cap hits and really flashy and fast down the field. End of the year, I need to move the chains. I'm not getting 65 yard rainbows. All right, J. Mack had a big piece of meat last night. Steakhouse night.
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Jason McIntyre
Is it not settling well in your stomach? Is that why you're, you know, going after Jason? Best team in the NBA, Defending champions, First team All NBA lock again. And you're just, just trashing him.
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Colin Cowherd
No, no, no, no. I'd like to say once again, you didn't hear the compliment that the Boston Celtics are the 1970s NBA. They're just better than all those teams. I, I go back to those Washington bullet teams, unselled. Bobby Dandridge, Phil Cheniere, Kevin Greevey, Elvin Hayes, they were outstanding. I can name the Sonics roster, the Blazers rosters, but they were all. They had like one really good player. Bill Walton was great before the injuries, but it was mostly roster construction. And then all of a sudden Magic and Bird changed it. Then we became the dynasty league. People are. And to have a dynasty league, you have to have a superstar. Last night, Tatum's out. They're now 10 and two without him. There is no other superstar in league history that leaves and the organization wins more. That's roster construction. The star is Brad Stevens and Danny Ainge. Those are the stars of this. They even change coaches. They literally change coaches. No effect.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. I wonder how Tatum keeps getting selected. First team, all NBA. Like, honestly, that means he's top two at his position forward in the league in an era with LeBron and KD and like, you know, Giannis and Luca. Something. Something's given Tatum a lot of props.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, Klay Thompson made a lot of. Made a lot of lists.
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Jason McIntyre
He did, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. He was good.
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Jason McIntyre
He was awesome. In his prime. Two way player.
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Colin Cowherd
Awesome. Great. He was the best two guard. Two way. Two guard in the league for eight years.
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Jason McIntyre
That might, I mean, number two, at.
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Colin Cowherd
Least three or four. Yeah, Well, I mean, who was the second best? D. Wade.
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Jason McIntyre
It was when Wade kind of phased.
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Colin Cowherd
Out and Clay took over for about seven years. He was the best guy in the league at his position. That fit everywhere. That's what Tatum is. Tatum is a great, he can, he can score, he can defend. He's a good guy. Know, the other thing is stars at some point are, are they just take the ball and say, talk to the hand. I mean, that's what they do that. I think Tatum sometimes is too nice. And it's a great quality as a human. It's not necessarily a great quality to be a basketball superstar.
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Jason McIntyre
Do nice guys still finish last or is that like a anti. Thing?
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Colin Cowherd
No, that, that's antiquate. Nice guys do fine.
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Jason McIntyre
Do they?
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Colin Cowherd
But, but they're not as good as Shaq.
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Jason McIntyre
You gotta be a jerk. I think you gotta be a kind of.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, sometimes you have to be selfish. Sometimes it's like it's my ball. It's my team. Marcus Smart, let's just know you gotta talk to him in the huddle. You will not touch the ball for four minutes. I need the ball. And by the way, that. Oh, that's what you have to say. That's just what you have to. But that's not what the Celtics are. I mean, good God. Holiday, Tatum, Porzingis out. Peyton Pritchard, he's good, man. I know.
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Jason McIntyre
He might be the second best contract in the league after Austin Reeves.
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Colin Cowherd
They got a couple of them. Celtics have a Derrick White. He was for about three years.
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Jason McIntyre
They got a great team.
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Colin Cowherd
No, it is, it is. I would argue it's an all time. The Celtics aren't good. It's an all time roster construction team. I mean, the Heatles didn't have a center and a good point guard. They had three great players. They were totally lopsided.
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Jason McIntyre
Minimum contracts everywhere.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, it was, I mean, the Lakers, it was Shaq, Kobe, yeah, then some D fish. But there was holes. There are no holes on the Celtics. There are none. They defend the rim, the perimeter. They can defend on ball. They, they have no blemishes. Tatum's gone. They're 10 and 2. That is an all time roster we're looking at right now in the NBA. All right, Diana Rossini, top of next hour. Chris Broussard stopping by as well. Oh, I got, I got, I got. More Steph Curry love. More Steph Curry love. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Steph Curry
Make some noise for the Greatest Shooter of All time Steph Curry we went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Goat Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Peja Stojaković
Peja 5 Dirk Ford Paja is a little madam.
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Colin Cowherd
I left them off my list, but I still like my list.
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Steph Curry
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Peja Stojaković
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
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Steph Curry
Yes, absolutely.
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Peja Stojaković
Love it.
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Steph Curry
Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Peja Stojaković
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like you might as well just count that and get on back on defense.
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Steph Curry
Listen to Goat G O T E Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
You're now entering the no Bull zone sponsored by Credible Great Rates. None of the bull. By the way, somebody just sent me. A friend inside the company sent me a text about this Celtic. I'm calling the Celtics the greatest roster construction I've ever seen. The fact that Tatum, Drew, Holiday and Porzingis can Be gone. And Derrick White and Pritchard last night Both drop over 4:40. It's in. That's that. Nobody could do that. Now the Pistons, somebody sent me this. The old four Pistons that beat the Lakers similarly did not have a superstar, although it was Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups, Tayshawn Prince. I think the Celtics are a better version of that, a much better offense. Rip Hamilton was on that team as well. I think this team's better. But I would say this Celtics, those Pistons, you know, the Sonics, the Blazers, the Washington Bullets at the time, it's just incredible. And the other thing is, people say, well, how come he always makes all NBA? Remember the NBA came out with that, that 65 game minimum to make awards. Tatum always plays 65 games, you know, like, like, like sometimes. Is LeBron gonna do that? Is AD gonna do that? Is Giannis gonna do that? Is. Is. Is Luca gonna do that? So Tatum's going to make the lists. That doesn't necessarily mean anybody thinks he's Jokic, but if you go look at Jokic, Stefan Giannis and LeBron, when they're off, the team is noticeably worse. This team's 10 and 2 without Tatum and scores eight more points a game. It shows you how unbelievably historic the Celtics roster is. I mean, I think Cleveland could win the championship in almost any other year, in the last seven or eight. I just don't think they'll get through Boston. So I know Celtic fans think this is hate. It's like, no, this is the greatest non superstar team ever. You just keep telling me Tatum's a superstar and I'm just telling you he's a star. He and Jalen Brown are Tatum's better. It's close. So I love this. The other day, Shaq came on after Steph went into the garden and, you know, rocked another one. Just a great night. And Shaq came on the air and giving the ultimate respect to Steph Curry. I demand you fans to start putting Steph Curry in that greatest of all time conversation. Just start putting them in the conversation. So the conversation of Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, start putting stuff in that conversation. I demand it. Why does the big men alliance need to say something? Because I am the supreme leader and my voice counts. Listen, I played against Mike, played with Colby, played against him, with LeBron. They're all great. But you go, at some point we're gonna have to put Steph, Steph Curry in that category. I think the greatest compliment about Steph Curry, that I could pay him is I think you have to consider replacing Magic Johnson on the all time starting five. I'm not saying you do it. You got to consider it. Now we all know Kareem lebron and mj. Those are etched in stone. Kareem most unstoppable shot. Michael the most relentless, greatest player and LeBron the greatest Swiss army knife. We can argue about forwards Duncan Bird, whatever you want, but we have three etched in stone. I always thought it was four. I always thought Magic was etched in stone. But if you look, one of the reasons that LeBron and, and you know, would wear well, because LeBron would be good 50 years ago, good 10 years ago, good today, good 20 years ago. LeBron's everything. I don't think Magic, he would be great today, but I don't think his game ages as well. I think Larry Bird's game ages better than Magic's because of the three ball. I think Larry Bird today would be, I mean, what would he be? He would be Luca, I mean he, he would be Luka in better shape. That would be Larry Bird. He would be unbelievable passer, unbelievable score, not a great defender, but he'd be Luke in better shape. You couldn't stop him. He'd score whatever. He, he would score 40 points regularly. He could score 50 if you wanted to. Bird ages very well. Magic's not a shooter and it's a shooters league. That's why I don't like the Houston Rockets in the playoffs. They can't shoot. I don't want to hear about their athletes. They can't shoot. And so, but if you've never seen Steph play, never seen him play, here was, think about this. This is how you would describe his game. He scores faster than any human being ever. Like, remember when Reggie Miller got like eight points in nine seconds? That's Steph's entire career. He scores faster than anybody. So he changed. I mean, Magic Johnson may have saved the NBA, but Steph Curry revolutionized not only the NBA, international high school AU and college basketball. Here's Steve Kerr talking about his best player. Steph is the most unique superstar of all time. The way he impacts the game is different. And so when you have these conversations about who's the greatest ever, you know, you automatically go to the, you know, his genetic Marvels, you know, LeBron and, and, and Michael Jordan and you know, Will Chamberlain, whoever else that doesn't fit that normal mold. So I love that Shaq is bringing that up because from a skill standpoint, it's, it's not even close. He's, he is the greatest ever from a skill standpoint. Yeah. And I, I just love that he's enduring and that he just, he was sort of on a treadmill to nowhere. They gave him Jimmy Butler and he has just said I'm an average. I'm, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take one more shot a game and average six and a half more points a game since Jimmy Butler arrived. That tells you he just needed, he needed a push. He needed a buddy to show off to. And he's back to being all time stuff. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. 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Colin Cowherd
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Steph Curry
Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Go Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Peja Stojaković
Peja 5 Dirk Ford.
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Steph Curry
Peja is a leap.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm at him. I left him off my list, but I still like my list.
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Steph Curry
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Peja Stojaković
That's so tough. That's why we to have these conversations.
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Steph Curry
Yes, absolutely.
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Peja Stojaković
Love it.
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Steph Curry
Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Peja Stojaković
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like, you might as well just count that and get on back on defense.
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Steph Curry
Listen to Goat G o t e Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
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Colin Cowherd
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say and not just about hockey.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Believe me, he does. Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's gonna be, well, it's gonna be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the energy line.
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Colin Cowherd
We'll have plenty of folks join us. Current players, some of my former teammates, hall of famers, and wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Okay. We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
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Colin Cowherd
I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Welcome in. Kind of excited to watch on tv. J Mac will be watching live next. Lakers tonight. Lakers start a very tough, tough, tough, like seven game stretch.
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Jason McIntyre
Austin Reeves may go Carl ante. Talons expected back Lakers first quarters. Lakers minus one. Are you gonna hit that? No, it feels like a trap.
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Colin Cowherd
Because you bet a lot more basketball.
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Jason McIntyre
Than I do college hoops last night. Nice little two in one. Yeah, Had Ole Miss.
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Colin Cowherd
How about this? Keeping your eye. You know what I want for a Final Four in college basketball?
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Jason McIntyre
Duke better be in there.
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Colin Cowherd
Tom Izzo, Michigan State is. Oh, Michigan State's good.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm on Iowa tonight.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, Michigan State's good. I want Tom Izzo, Rick Matino, Duke and Cooper flag and then the best SEC team. If that's the Final Four, I would vote for it. Now, Michigan State, this is a really good team.
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Jason McIntyre
They got some good dudes.
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Colin Cowherd
But I, I, if I get Izzo and Rick Matino, two fiery guys.
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Jason McIntyre
You like Patino because of the white suits, huh?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I just think. I think Rick is intense. Izzo's intense. I like these old school, you know, get in your face, get in the player's face, get in the official's face. I love Izzo, I love Pitino, and they're great coaches. And then give me Duke and Cooper flag. The best player easily in college basketball. Then give me Auburn.
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Jason McIntyre
Do you need more of that fire from me or am I.
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Colin Cowherd
No, you're doing okay.
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Jason McIntyre
Demeanor.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't need a white suit. No, you're doing fine. But I do think, remember the NBA draft this year is very domestic. It's Rutgers guys. It's Duke guys. It's a vet. Like last year. I'd never seen anybody play. This year. It's like the WNBA draft. Like you're going to see domestic players that you watch. Big Ten, sec. I think Auburn's the best team I've seen. Bruce Pearl's excellent. I think he. I think that's a great team. But if you could give me Cooper flag. I mean, Duke's got like three NBA dudes. At least three.
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Jason McIntyre
By the way, you mentioned wnba. Did you see Caitlin Clark's team got like a bunch of good players in the offseason. I know you're not monitoring wnba, but.
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Colin Cowherd
Caitlin Clark, no idea.
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Jason McIntyre
And the Fever, they got some good players. They are. They're gonna be a problem this year. Would not be surprised if they make a run to the Finals. Caitlin Clark, I'm excited for year two.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know you and I talked about this. We are in the content business. Caitlin Clark gives us 15 segments in July and August. We are pro. Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, wnba. We're looking for segments in August. I can't talk Steeler quarterback situations. I mean, I can. I went Kenny Pickett August once. That was a rough. That was a rough summer with that Diana Rossini, the athletic senior NFL Insider, also got a cool podcast out there. Breaking news all the time. All right, why don't you give your podcast a plug right now? Give it up, give it a plug. Let America hear it. Go ahead. How about you?
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Diana Rossini
All right, I got twice a week podcast. We're gonna have a big show on Monday, the start of free agency. It's called Scoop City. You can get it anywhere on Spotify and Apple itunes, anywhere at the Athletic, you can click and find it. And it's essentially me and chase Daniel, a 14 year veteran, and it's me and him. I give him all the intel and then he tells me what the real deal is based off the information. I tell him it's A quick listen, 45 minutes. You can run errands, get, get, get the things done around your house and pretty much listen to one show and know everything you need to know about the league.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, There you go. And it's good. Wow.
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Diana Rossini
Thank you. I was not ready for that. Did I do all right selling it?
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Colin Cowherd
You did a great job. So DK Metcalf, middle of our show yesterday, I like him, but I've said this before, it could be A.J. brown, D.K. metcalf. It is the position, for whatever reasons that tends to be the most verbal. And sometimes that can be verbal slash, disruptive. I don't think DK Metcalf is disruptive, but last year, 35 catches were first downs. Amaran St. Brown, double. He also gets penalized a lot. Leads the league in penalty yards as a receiver since he entered it. A lot of that's temperamental. I would move off him, but he's 31 million. I think maybe you get a second or third round pick. Just give me the backstory on this. John Snyder's been great at drafting wide receivers, so they'll be fine. But give me the DK market story. What are you hearing?
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Diana Rossini
Yeah, so right now, teams that are interested in dk, they've reached out to Seattle and they're being told right now that the compensation they're looking for is a first and third in exchange for the wide receiver. So that is very, very high. Let's just go Back to the A.J. brown trade between the Tennessee Titans and the Philadelphia Eagles. Right. Like that. That that's basically what we're talking about here. And I think we can all fairly say they are not the same player. And obviously a few years have gone by since then. So look, a lot of teams that I've talked to around the league that definitely had their eye on Seattle over the last few weeks, knowing that they could possibly be moving on. Just feel that that price is just, it's too high.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Diana Rossini
So I'm, I'm going to predict that that's going to change here soon.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Diana Rossini
As they're testing out the market to see like, all right, we try to get our best, but that's probably going to be too much. DK wants a new deal. He wants about 30 million a year.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Diana Rossini
And I do agree with you on how you are categorizing receivers in football. They are loud and they tend to be the ones with the most personality and sometimes the ones causing the biggest headaches. Yeah. But when you look at a player like dk, he's still a big guy. He's really good off the, off the ball. He obviously has come up with some really big catches. And when you're taking a look at just this free agent market of wide receivers, it's not great.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Diana Rossini
So I can see why there are teams poking around to try to see if they can get Seattle to move off this number here, at least of a first round pick in exchange knowing that, look, he could go to a team and quickly make a difference, but I do think he's going to need a team with a strong head coach. I was told he wants to go to a warm weather organization. So I think that cuts it down to some of the teams here that we're talking about that would be interested. And then you. I mean, Colin, just look around the league at every team that needs a receiver right now. You know what comes to mind? The Panthers, Jacksonville, the New England Patriots, Houston, the Chargers. For now, I can tell you none of those teams are going to pay that price. None of them. I've reached out to all of them. They're not going to do it.
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Colin Cowherd
All right.
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Diana Rossini
But they, they certainly still have interest, I thought.
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Colin Cowherd
An interesting story. I love what the Bears did. This is what Washington did last year before, before Jaden Daniels took an NFL snap. They went and got a couple of interior linemen and this is what the Bears did. Jonah Jackson, I get the Rams moving off that, but he's got a lot of experience. I was surprised considering that Mahomes was in peril and running for his life in big games last year that they moved off Joe Tuney, who did one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. They took a guard, put him at left tackle and was actually excellent. What I mean, we know the Bears probably did a really good thing here. What happened in Kansas City, like, I. Why do they move off him?
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Diana Rossini
No, it's. It's a great point you make. I reported right after the super bowl, after talking with some people in Kansas City after their loss, like, make no mistake, Brett Veach is going to fix this. This is going to be priority number one, protecting Patrick Mahomes. This looked exactly the way it did in Tampa. We saw what they did then. And here in this situation, whenever I see them move off a player that I believe just from my own eyes contributes so much more than just what we're seeing on the field, what it says to me is we're making moves for someone else. We've got our eye on someone that we think is either younger, cheaper, and I can tell you they've got a plan because Kansas City tends to do that, and which is why they have so much success. So while I think it's difficult for them to walk away from a player like this, who has brought so much success to them and has been part of the fabric of this team, I think in their mind, there's. There. There are players that they can bring in here and immediately have a good impact here. And then obviously, on the other side of this for Chicago, I mean, come on, Ben Johnson's just doing what he saw in Detroit and what he did in Detroit. Get some protection, and I can run whatever the heck I want to run. Right? So he's going to be able to do that and address it. And look, we can just keep going back to the super bowl as just like, the perfect example of how you want to build a team. Credit to Howie Roseman and. And the coaching by Nick Sirianni in that game. Right. The way they built that team, that championship roster, is how a lot of teams are trying to replicate. And it's not a secret. We've all known that that's the way to do it. Except I think this team truly highlighted that importance.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so it's not a good free agent quarterback market. It's not a good quarterback college market. So Sam Darnold, it would seem to me, would have a pretty viable market. Now, I said this the other day. Josh Allen was MVP. I watched him go 9 for 30 against Houston. I watched him be pretty awful against the Colts. Great quarterbacks have awful games. If the production is down, you're on the road. I mean, Darnold at Detroit, it felt like the biggest game in Detroit in a decade. But were those last two games, the one against the Rams where he was running for his life, and the game against Detroit where he just didn't play well. Are those going to eliminate the first 14 games? Because it doesn't feel like there's a huge Donald market.
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Diana Rossini
I know it's. It's peculiar. And I've had conversations with people that are desperate for quarterbacks right now, and there's something about the way he lost those two games that is really leaving a bad taste in the mouths of these decision makers. And I do think it's layered. Okay. I think part of it is there's an attitude of, see, we told you Donald isn't that good. That was just lightning in a bottle. Things just lined up, right. You know, they were winning certain games because of certain situations. This isn't the real Sam Darnold. We're just getting the best version of him in this moment. This isn't the true man. Okay, so you have that. Then you have another layer to this where people believe that Kevin O'Connell is the best coach for Sam Darnold. So if you're a coach who, let's say he's on a short leash. Leash, and you're selling to your owner and your gm, like, let's go get Sam, I can do it. There may be some hesitance there. Can you get the same Sam Darnold that Kevin O'Connell was able to get? You know, this idea that no one truly knows who Sam Darnold is, I feel like has been following him his entire career, going back to when he was throwing at sc and I had people on the ground telling me, wait, Sam Darnold is going to be the next big thing. And those same people that I would stay in touch with over the years when Sam was struggling would. Would be so frustrated because they would be like, you don't understand. He's good. This just. These aren't the right programs for him. And so in Minnesota, it's the best program for him. Which is why I think there's going to be an effort made from both Darnold's camp and from the Vikings camp to try to make something work here. But, Colin, you're right. I talked to you at the Super Bowl. I think one of the things I shared with you is I was really expecting Sam's market to be in the 40s. I do not predict it to be that. I think it's going to be less than that. I think it's going to be in the low 30s, possibly maybe even high 20s, if Minnesota can get the kind of deal that they want to get. But it is certainly changed considering last week we were chasing the Matthew Stafford story like a bunch of lunatics. Knowing that these teams were so desperate to get Stafford in the building. Being the Vegas Raiders, the New York Giants, they are not going aggressively hard at Sam Darnold the way they were going after Matthew Stafford. Understandably.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it's. It's the same thing with movies. Great movie, lousy 12 minutes at the end. You think it's a bad movie. Darnold had a lousy couple of games and it's just like, you know, Josh Allen had a bad game, it's against Houston. Nobody remembers it. And that's just the way it is sometimes. Timing is everything now. So I would argue on the behalf of Aaron Rodgers, who I have been critical of before. So when they fired Robert Sal in New York, they lost their best coach, in my opinion. I think Sala can coach. I'd give him another chance at a head coaching job. Jets are a mess and I thought they had a very weak staff that point forward. And yet in the last 10 games, without great protection, Aaron was pretty good. So again, like Darnold, I think the pendulum has swung too far on Aaron Rodgers. If I was the Raiders, I would take him today. I don't get this. It appears now, is this an Aaron thing? I. You can't. His last 10 games, he almost had 100 quarterback rating and it was a suboptimal staff. So what's going on with Aaron?
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Diana Rossini
What's going on with us? Why are we starting to agree? I need to go on Nick Wright's show. I need to fight with someone and to be. We're in line too. What does that say about my life right now that I'm in line with you on all this stuff? Because I agree. I just was talking about it on my podcast that, you know, my, my co host Chase said, how do you think Giants fans should feel about the idea of Aaron Rodgers playing for the Giants? And I said they should feel the way the jets fans felt two years ago, optimistic. Because I can tell you I've spoken to enough people around the league who believe that Aaron Rodgers still has something left in the tank and it's decent and put him in the right environment with the right head coach who can be a little bit more demanding and hold them to the same type of rules and standards and, and the way they wanted to run, you know, treat him like everyone else. I think we can get that. They could squeeze a little bit of the. Of the juice out of them. It's just going to be, where is he going to flourish best. The Ram situation was so ideal, Colin and I really, I thought that, I thought it was going to happen. At one point when I was in Indianapolis at the scouting combine last week, I said, this is, this is really going to happen. Matthew Stafford's gonna leave and Rogers is going to go there. But in the end, obviously, Stafford decided to stick with Sean McVay for another year and the Raiders are going to poke around. Here's what I can tell you when we're, like, lining teams up with veteran quarterbacks. Every team that needs a quarterback right now has a line out to every single available veteran quarterback at this moment. Because right now, no one can read the landscape well because we don't know who's going where. You know, the idea of Daniel Jones going to India is on the table. Could he possibly go to Vegas? Right? Chip Kelly, you know, he's going to want a mobile quarterback. Could, could Justin Fields leave Pittsburgh? Perhaps he can wind up in Vegas. Maybe the Russell Wilson thing could perhaps turn into him going to Las Vegas. All of this is on the table and, and the teams are being really open about it. No one's being coy. Like, we got our eye on just one guy. Everyone is saying the same thing is which we've got to reach out to everyone because we have no idea how this is going to shake.
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Colin Cowherd
Diana Rossini, as always, absolute money. It is great seeing you. You and Chase are great on Scoop City and thank you again for stopping by.
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Diana Rossini
This is Nikki Glaser from the Nikki Glaser Podcast. On a more serious note, I'm still thinking about that commercial with Tom Brady and Snoop Dogg hating on each other. Because when you listen to the reasons for hating someone or something, you realize just how stupid they really are. There is too much hate in this country and it's gotta stop. So join us at iHeart in standing up to it. If you see hate, speak up, call it out and you can learn more by following oupwithhate.
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Steph Curry
Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Goat Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Peja Stojaković
Peja 5 Dirk Ford Asia is a loop.
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Steph Curry
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Peja Stojaković
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations. Absolutely love it.
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Steph Curry
Listen to Goat G O T E Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal, and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday, keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
What's up everyone? Julie Swerbinks here, along with former NHL player Nate Thompson.
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Colin Cowherd
We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.
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Colin Cowherd
Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.
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Colin Cowherd
Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.
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Julie Stewart-Banks
Listen to Energy Line with Nate in jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.