Jason McIntyre (2:43)

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Colin Cowherd (2:45)

With Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Here we Go. Loaded. Ready to roll. Live in Los Angeles, it's the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be watching or listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mac, I've got an interesting lead today. There are things that I talked about this all week long. Outside of the NFL, all sports are sickening and that, you know, the Dodgers get Shohei Ohtani and it literally helped the entire revenue sharing. Fox ratings were up. Shohei Ohtani just driving up I5 angels to Dodgers helped the league. NFL doesn't matter who ends up. But there's been a lot of talk about the NBA and they need a face of the league. And I'm going to tell you something right now. The only thing more overrated than face of the league is people that buy gigantic houses and they spend their next seven years yelling at their kids upstairs in a 27,000 square foot house. Whenever I see these rich people buy these huge houses, I'm like, you can't possibly have kids. You screaming constantly to find them. Smaller the house, the more the love in the house. You're around each other, right? And I've always had this feeling about face of the league. The NBA's had three all time. No, no. You think they've had eight, 10. Wilt wasn't the face of the league. He was flaky and weird. Kareem was the best player for over a decade. Stoic. I mean, you watched, you, you watched the HBO series on Kareem. That was very accurate. He was difficult to get along with. And Magic Johnson gets along with everybody the league has had. There's a story this morning. Jayson Tatum gets glossed over or ignored when observers consider face of the league. Hell, he wasn't face of the Celtics in the finals. Jalen Brown was. Marcus Smart two years earlier was taking the ball from him. There's something about movie stars. Tom Cruise is a movie star. John Malkovic is a great actor. Denzel Washington, that's a movie star. Jeremy Irons, you could argue maybe a better actor. Some would say maybe not. But there's a cool and a charisma. Tatum's excellent. He's not. He's not in the same zip code as cool. Zion had a chance to be face of the league, but he ate himself out of playing time. Ja Morant maybe had a chance. He wasn't mature enough. There's been three faces of the league, and I've been watching this league since I was on a bunk bed in 1972 watching Wilton the Lakers. Old Wilt with a Headband. Jerry West, Gale Goodrich. Yes, yes. That's why I got this gray hair. I've watched a lot of NBA in the 70s. The rest of you collected baseball cards. I collected NBA cards. Three faces of the league. Magic, Michael and LeBron. And that is it. Whoa. What about Kobe Bryant? He wasn't as popular as Shaq. People worshiped Kobe's talent. People liked Shaq. What about Steph Curry? He's close, but you can have one face of the league. And in his prime. LeBron was in his prime. And Steph's never really sold shoes. And by the way, you generally have to be the best player on your own team. For several years with kd, he wasn't. And I'm a huge Steph fan. So there's. There's a couple of factors that are really important. First of all, and this is why Steph is close. You have to have an otherworldly talent. We'd never seen anything like Magic Johnson. The smile, the passes. He was a 6, 9 point guard against the Sixers in the finals. He played center and scored 42 points. Michael Jordan, greatest player ever. Nobody played like Michael. He never seen anything like Michael. And LeBron James again walked into the league the first night of the NBA out of high school. He scored 20 points. He was scoring 40 later that year. So you have to have otherworldly talent. You also have to want it. Michael, Magic and LeBron are outstanding business guys. They read the business page before they read the sports page. And number three, it really helps if we're introduced to you early. We're watching Michael Jordan as a freshman at North Carolina. Who is this kid? We're watching Magic Johnson win a natty over Larry Bird national championship. Judd Heathcote, the Spartans. Who's this kid with all the crazy passes? And LeBron James in high school, the chosen one. This is where. This is where, like, Tim Duncan was good enough, but boring. Kareem was great enough, but stoic. Kobe, little moody, little difficult. Shaq was more liked. But it really helps if we're introduced to you early. And that's where it hurts the international guys. None of us. I mean, I'm not. I'm not sitting watching lithuanian basketball on YouTube. Maybe you are. Most people are not. And that's why Zion had a chance. His YouTube stuff blew up in his crazy dunks. And then he goes to Duke. And then there's the shoe deal where it explodes and it's Nike. And you're like, okay, here it goes. And he got a taste of that jumbalaya and that New Orleans food, which I had for a week. And, you know, he went a little sideways. A lot of sideways. So international guys sort of get dropped onto bad teams. And then you look up three years later with Giannis and go, whoo. That guy's amazing. We. We like the journey in America. We love the journey. We want to be introduced to you. The movie Air with Michael Jordan. We want to see a struggle. I mean, Magic Johnson, the personal stuff, hiv. We've seen Magic's journey. We love Magic. If you're at a Laker game and this is the craziest thing, Magic's everywhere in Los Angeles. If you're at a Laker game and Magic Johnson walks into the arena, I am not joking. The crowd stands. It's insane. It's like he's all over town. You see him driving around town. Kareem walks into the arena, arguably a greater player. Nobody gets up. He's an intellect. He's fascinating. I have tons of respect for him. He was the best player when I was a kid. Better than Wilt, for sure. Greater offensive player than Russell, who I didn't see play live. But there is a charisma and a star power. Jalen Brown, isn't it. Nobody's overlooking Jaylen Brown. The only guy that's got an argument, to me, a real argument is Steph Curry. But there's one face of the league, and in his prime. LeBron was in his prime. And so. And I don't think. I don't think sports need to have a face of the league. I mean, Ohtani is the face of baseball with Aaron Judge. Both appear to be great guys. One in New York, one in la. Do you have to have one? I mean, to me, in baseball, it's more about what teams are winning. If the Yankees are winning, if the Dodgers are winning. Atlanta Cubs viable, maybe the Mets. Baseball's fine. Phillies help as well, and that's why they're good. But this talk about face of the league, there's been three in my lifetime. It's not just about productivity or. Jeremy Irons would be the face of Hollywood. Denzel's been that. Tom Hanks has been that. Tom Cruise has been that. There's a. There's a. There's a. There's a formula for all this stuff, and that's why it's so damn hard. Some of the guys don't want it. I'm not sure Wemby wants it. I think Ant, by the way, if Ant played in Los Angeles, I think you'd have a shot. If Wemby was in New York International, maybe a shot. But there's a lot of components to this stuff, and I don't think Jason Tatum, and this is not disrespectful to his game. But when I watch the finals, I mean, they shipped Marcus Smart out of town, a defensive guard, because he was taking the ball out of Jason Tatum's hands. Nobody took it out of LeBron's hands, including Kyrie Irving and D. Wade. Nobody took the ball to Michael's hands. And Kareem, you run the show. There is an alpha, There is a formula. Jason Tatum's a great player, but he's closer to Duncan in personality than Magic. Just think about this. Close your eyes. Unless you're driving and listening on radio. Let's close our eyes. Close our eyes. Think about Magic Johnson. You can see the smile. Think about Michael. You can see that cocky grin. Think about LeBron. You can see the imagery pre game chalk. You can close your eyes and there's images with stars. Close your eyes now and do it with Tatum. I don't see anything. 26 a night, I don't see anything. Close your eyes and do it with Duncan. You see a rebound. I'm not being harsh here. I can close my eyes and I see Magic Johnson smile and laugh. I see Michael Jordan in the documentary. He see his intensity, his brooding intensity, but his likability. LeBron James say what you want. I close my eyes. I can see his game running down the floor, blocking things. There's a formula to this stuff. I don't think the NBA needs it, but we've had three all time. That's it. Okay, I got one other thing I want to touch on, and I may have been rambling there, but, you know, I feel strongly about that. So I've said this before. I'm divorced. When you get a divorce, you got to be a grown up. Okay, guys, if you're gonna get a divorce, you have to realize she may date somebody that's better looking than you, much more successful than you. Are you comfortable with that? Grass is always greener. Are you comfortable with that? So when the Dallas Mavericks made that trade, what we're finding out, they're now bad mouthing. The X. Stories are now leaking on Luca. Here's one of the stories that is leaking on Luca. Athletic had a story. According to Sam Amick, the people who witnessed Luca's last days in Dallas call him lazy. They talk about the weight issues. They mention the social habits. The Athletic has reported on such a Taste for beer and hookah. That ain't the only thing they smoking in the NBA. I'm just saying. And if you've been in New York, go to a hookah bar. It's a good time, folks. Michael Jordan smoked cigars, drank wine, played 36 holes on days of playoff games. He's the go. Shaq came into the season out of shape. I mean, right now, pot is wine in the NBA. It's fine. The bottom line is they weren't ready for this divorce. They thought this divorce was all about Anthony Davis and getting the lazy guy out. They had no idea how much it would tick off Dallas fans, and now they're reeling. I saw a story this morning, and by the way, all those bad work habits got Luka five time, first team all pro. Okay. And hurt him that much. It didn't hurt Michael that much. He was playing late night games, smoking his 17th cigar in four hours, leaking stuff makes him look bad. The Mavericks ticket prices have fallen 40%. And you know what? Luke is now dating somebody that's more successful. Got a lot of trophies, crypto arena, bigger brand. And they didn't think about it. They just didn't think about that. This was all about getting him out. They had no idea how big the Lakers brand is. They had no idea that it would create this incredible LeBron James joy and energy. And they're not here for it. So they're just leaking stuff to make him look bad. First of all, none of this stuff is a surprise. There's a piece of video. Years ago, Luca, after winning or getting to a championship level, somebody takes a beer out of his hand. The other thing is, kids drink earlier in Europe. Kids are drinking wine with their parents when they're 15 years old in Europe. Go there, more people smoke. It's just a different lifestyle. It's a very relaxed lifestyle. Long lunches, lot of cigs, lot of wine for kids, little chill afternoon siestas. So this, this is a team that. That thought they were ready for the divorce. And Luke upgraded and. And by the way, in the same conference, just moved down the street, drives by the house all the time, and you don't like what it feels like. All right, a lot of stuff today. J. Mac got some NFL combine stuff. Do you see the report cards out? I did, I did. Some of this stuff's actually funny. Do you see the Bengals got an F on food? They might want to call. How do you get an F on food? They don't give their guys three meals a day. That's crazy. I mean, some of the stuff out there is bad. By the way, you mentioned a hookah lounge earlier. Met my wife at a hookah lounge in New York City. Yeah. Now it starts as a hookah lounge, and then late night, it gets into, like, a vibey lounge type spot where. Yeah, they move the hookahs to the side. But hookah lounges are great. Have you done that? I've done that. I took Ann to a hookah lounge in New York, and we had. We did a lot of hookah in Luke. Hookah. Is it a verb? Is it a we? We just had a very good time. Hookah. Yeah. I still can't get to, like, text or. It's just text.

Jason McIntyre (16:47)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (16:47)

There is nothing beyond text. Is that plural? I don't know. But you go to a hookah bar and I. I just laugh at this because it's like, we've all understood in the NBA KD docs about this. It's. It's pot is wine. Nobody cares. No, the bottom line is, do you have game or do you not have game? By the way, again, this would be a bigger deal. That's why Luke is not going to be the face of the league. Like, Michael Jordan wouldn't even talk about politics. Luke is unbelievably productive, but he wants his beer, he wants his hookah. He's not going to be in great shape. I've always said he's closer to Carmelo than he is to Michael Jordan. And by the way, Carmelo is a Hall of Famer. But there's certain guys that just aren't going to be the face of the league, and they don't. They don't want to be the face of the league. Jokic, the minute he won a title, they asked him about the parade. He was like, I got to go to a parade. I just want to go home and play with my horses. Like, some guys don't want to be faces of the league. I do have to ask. I got a text during your rant about face of the league. You had magic. But no, Larry Bird don't. Okay, great example. No. Should they belong together as a pack? No. So because Larry Bird, grumpy, had no interest in it, didn't have the look or the charisma. Larry Bird is much more. John Malkovic, absolutely respected by everybody in Hollywood, Almost worship John Malkovic walks into a room of actors. Everybody's like, there's the best actor. Denzel walks in, and everybody goes, damn, that's a movie star. I told you the other day, there's one person in Hollywood. Maybe Denzel too, but the one person in Hollywood. If they walked into this room, I would be nervous. It's not Jeremy Irons, it's Tom Cruise. And so Larry Bird was this French Lick grumpy. Didn't. I mean, really. I mean, go look at the movies done about like Magic and Burt. He was grumpy. He hated the media. Magic is in Beverly Hills with Jerry Buss and the convertible sports car having the time of his life. And Magic spot. I mean, the name Magic. Yeah. So Larry was, Larry was very French Lick, Indiana. And I love Larry. But, I mean, ask yourself, I've said this before. Los Angeles is a global city. Boston's a domestic city. Boston is. It's, you know, the town departed. Like, every third guy's a mobster. Like, I mean, everybody I know, everybody I know from Boston has a chip on their shoulder. It's sort of insular. It's incredibly insular. It's one of the only cities in the country that does not watch any sports outside of their market. They did when I used to work at the other place. I saw a test on this. Boston watches Boston sports now. New York will watch the Rose Bowl. New York will watch the World Series. If they're not in it, they'll, they'll want. I mean, New York is a. They'll watch anything. LA will watch stuff. Seattle, Denver. Boston watches Boston. Boston people vacation in Massachusetts. They go to the Cape. New Yorkers go down to Florida. New Yorkers will go west. New Yorkers will go to Europe. Boston guy goes to the Cape. That's a, that's a take right there. You just came up with that on the fly, didn't you? Hey, this thing never flips off. Clearly. Okay. If you feel like owning a home is out of reach, Rocket is here to give you back the keys. Because they believe everybody deserves a shot at the American dream. Visit Rocket.com or call 804 Rocket. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. You can count on T Mobile to help keep you connected from big cities to small towns on America's largest 5G network. Switch the T Mobile, keep your phone and they'll pay it off up to 800 bucks per line via prepaid card. Learn more@t mobile.com heap and switch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device credit service port in 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and Timely redemption required card has no cash access and expires in six months.

Jason McIntyre (20:49)

Make some noise for the greatest shooter.

Colin Cowherd (20:51)

Of all time, Steph Curry.

Jason McIntyre (20:55)

We went live from All Star weekend for a new podcast called Goat Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

Colin Cowherd (21:03)

Peja 5, Dirk Ford.

Jason McIntyre (21:04)

Peja is elite. Okay, okay.

Colin Cowherd (21:06)

I'm mad him.

Jason McIntyre (21:06)

I left him off my list, but I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list. That's so tough.

Colin Cowherd (21:14)

That's why we have these conversations.

Jason McIntyre (21:16)

That's why we have. Love it. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.

Colin Cowherd (21:21)

When you have a scouting report and.

Jason McIntyre (21:23)

You'Re on the list as not just.

Colin Cowherd (21:26)

A shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you.

Jason McIntyre (21:29)

There's a fear factor that's associated with.

Colin Cowherd (21:32)

Anytime you're wide open.

Jason McIntyre (21:33)

Like, you might as well just count.

Colin Cowherd (21:35)

That and get on back on defense.

Jason McIntyre (21:37)

Listen to Goat G o t e Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio.

Colin Cowherd (21:41)

App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, you're now entering the no bull zone, brought to you by credible great rates with none of the bull. So NFL combine is going on. It's. It's actually known as a week when a lot of executives go and deals get made. And you know, it's. It's not just guys in shorts running 40s and cone drills. It's a lot of executives go there late nights, cocktails, cigars and figure out deals. So I saw a story this morning. The Giants met with Matthew Stafford's agent in Indianapolis. So there's. There's two scenarios where I will defend Matt Stafford if he stays with the Rams. Obviously, great coach, great org, very good roster, franchise momentum. McVeigh's had one losing season. They were driving to beat the Eagles in a snowstorm. If he stays and. And takes a little less, and I'm not going to get into players money too much, but I would defend him. I would also defend him on going to the Raiders because I think Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly are a really, really good combination as a staff. They don't have any momentum, but there's no state tax. They've got a good left tackle. Actually, I like some of the young offensive linemen at center and right tackle. They got Max Crosby and they have a weapon in Brock Bowers that you cannot cover. You can literally. He is the greatest tight end prospect now in the league. Last year as a rookie, they were bad at quarterback and you still can't cover him. So and they're going to go in the draft and it's a great running back draft and the Raiders need a running back. So what they need, the draft is going to provide. I would excuse Listen, if the rams offer him two years and 90 million and the Raiders offer him four years and 170 million in no state tax from California to get on the freeway west, east, head east. I, I, I'm going to defend that. But if he goes to the New York Giants, it's a money grab. I mean that's like Robinson Cano going from the Yankees to the Mariners. I lost respect. You're not about winning, you're not about competing. It's just a money grab in a way. It would be like Katie to Brooklyn. Now KD to Brooklyn was not a money grab, but it was kind of weird, right? Like he just wanted to go where he wanted to go and he didn't feel loved. Matt Stafford is loved. Everybody loves Matt Stafford. But there are realities that you can get trapped very quickly in this league on old quarterbacks. Denver, Cleveland. If somebody's been banged up a few times and Matt Stafford's taking a lot of hits. The the Rams have leverage here and their leverage is we're one of the five best run franchises in the league and the Giants are a bad organization. Eight years, one playoff game, one playoff win. I think it is they're just not a, I mean the head coach and the GM and I think they both had a say. Let Saquon Barkley walk to arrival. That's probably more Joe Shane than Brian Thabel, but it's not a good organization. So I will defend him if he gets four years and goes to the Raiders because I think Pete and Chip Kelly are going to work. And it's a tough division, but can you imagine that division with Herbert, Bo Nix, Matt Stafford and Mahomes? Here's Albert Brew yesterday on Vegas. The fit for Stafford. I think it makes some sense for the Raiders in that I think so much of what Tom Brady is doing and trying to establish there is to add credibility to the organization. Pete Carroll obviously is a very credible head coaching hire. John Spytek is well respected across the NFL. Coming in as his gm, you've got resources, which is part of how you pay say $6 million a year to go and get Chip Kelly. And adding Matthew Stafford at quarterback I think would make some sense from that standpoint in that you're going to be able to get competitive quicker. Yeah, I'll defend him on that. I'll defend him. I still think he's going to stay with the Rams. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. 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Jason McIntyre (27:02)

Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Goat Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

Colin Cowherd (27:15)

Peja 5 Dirk Ford.

Jason McIntyre (27:16)

Peja is elite. I'm mad him. I left him off my list, but I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list. That's so tough.

Colin Cowherd (27:26)

That's why we have these conversations.

Jason McIntyre (27:28)

That's why we love it. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.

Colin Cowherd (27:33)

When you have a scouting report and.

Jason McIntyre (27:35)

You'Re on the list as not just.

Colin Cowherd (27:38)

A shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you.

Jason McIntyre (27:42)

There's a fear factor that's associated with it. Anytime you're wide open like, you might.

Colin Cowherd (27:46)

As well just count that and get back on defense.

Jason McIntyre (27:49)

Listen to Go G O T e Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Colin Cowherd (27:57)

By the way, give the audience a heads up. Who's your final four right now?

Jason McIntyre (28:00)

Oh, geez.

Colin Cowherd (28:01)

After a rough night in college hoops for me, well, Yukon struggled, Purdue struggled a little bit. Duke scooper flag. You have to put them in there for sure. I like Houston a little bit. They're. They're looking pretty sharp. Auburn is incredible. And I'll go Alabama as well. I think the SEC is the best. I've never seen a conference with that many good teams loaded. It's like nine deep, 10 deep at the SEC. It's incredible. So yesterday we talked about this briefly. The nflpa, the National Football League Player association, hands out grades for their teams. It's anonymous, so they vote on coach, owner, food, travel, weight room and treatment of family. So it doesn't mean anything to me. I don't really care that much. The largest decline of any team in the league that went down year to year. The most, the Philadelphia Eagles. By the way, number one is Miami, and they haven't won a playoff game in 25 years. The Raiders are near the top. The Chiefs are near the bottom. So I can remember when usc, the last time USC football was a national power, Pete Carroll was there. They had horrible facilities. I mean, I'd say prisons had better weight rooms. Now they have beautiful facilities and they can't beat Maryland and Minnesota. What does it matter? So when I hear about, you know, food and elite travel and apparently Patriot players were upset, they don't get good wi fi on the plane. Sorry, you can't watch Netflix Tackle better. The one place the Chiefs got an A plus head coach. And I've said this to friends, I love that I get free coffee at Fox. I get Cafe Americanos. I have like four a day and they got gummy bears everywhere. The best part about Fox management lets me say whatever I want to say and leaves me alone. It's all about coaching. I don't care about your playing. Player empowerment, treatment of family. It would be great if you offered daycare for all the kids all the time. It would be great. But I've always had this feeling. I covered Mike Tyson in his prime and I was a sportscaster in Las Vegas and he his favorite gym to work out at was the darkest, dingiest, smallest gym in Las Vegas. It was called Johnny Tocco's Ringside Gym. Rest in peace to a beautiful older boxing guy. Johnny was a wonderful human being. I would hang out in his gym. I watched so many fighters in that gym. Tyson loved it. And you know why Mike Tyson loved it? Because he was going to work. He was going to work. And when he walked into the ring, black trunks and a torn up hoodie, he was going to work. If you're sitting worried about WI Fi and having the shiniest locker rooms, you don't care about what matters. Now, in college football, it's a little different because the players choose you. So I do think it matters that Ohio State and Texas and Oregon have beautiful facilities. It matters some, but in the end, it's all about coaching and GMing and the fact that Philadelphia had a major decline and the Raiders are near the top. And I've heard this, by the way, I know the GM formerly in Vegas, and he said the facilities are amazing. I wish the owner was that good. I wish they get the better coaches. So I don't. I don't take a lot of stock in this stuff. I think in college football, facilities matter. But the one category that I think was promising is that 20 coaches received A's. And so I think Albert Brear talked about this yesterday, is that players like their coaches, and that matters. One thing that's definitely notable is it's gotten better. Like, it seems like what they're doing is working. You know, they. They showed us a whole bunch of different statistics and metrics that show that there are far fewer failing grades for teams that players are handing out. And I think a big part of that is that a lot of these guys were embarrassed by some of the stuff that was out there on their teams. And so I do think to some degree, some of that stuff's been fixed now, Cincinnati, and I don't even know how this is possible. Got an F on food. Now, I have noted many times, cheapest organization in the league. I do not know how you get an F on food. Are you giving these guys Ho Ho's and ding Dongs for breakfast? Like, how do you get an F on food? I mean, you can't. What are you serving Joe Burrow for lunch that you would get an f. TV dinners. Again, guys, one more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Here we go. It's hour Two. Is it Thursday today? J. Mac, it's Thursday. You know, I have so much fun on this show. It's just they're all the same day. I can't tell. Anthony Edwards at the Lakers tonight. You going? You know, Finch can get me tickets, work on you guys. Are you going? I'm not, I can't go to then we have a men's league regular season. Oh boy. All right. Okay, okay. All right. Watch out. I think this is very Steve Sarkeesian, Longhorn football coach coming up in a couple of minutes. So I think this story on John lynch, the NERS are negotiating with Brock Purdy. So I, I, I've said this before. Do not confuse great story with great player. So Brock Purdy being the last guy taken in a draft and, and getting to a Super bowl, that's a Disney movie. Don't hand him a great contract because he's a great story. And last year Christian McCaffrey gets dinged up. Brandon Ayuk is out. You know, Trent Williams is hurt. Oh, little ice on the road. And his car was spinning out of control. Suddenly he had 12 picks, fourth in the league. So last year against playoff teams, 1 and 6. 1 and 6. Nine touchdowns, 10 picks, 18.9 points a game. So again, Dak Prescott was a great story. He got a great contract and Dallas has been irrelevant since. I like Brock Purdy. But again, the minute there was a little ice on the road. Can you drive in bad weather? Can you drive on icy roads? Because that's what November, December, January, football is in the NFL. I would give him a contract. I think he's a good kid. I think his superpower. J. Mac talked about this yesterday. I think above the shoulders the kid is really quick. I think cognitively he's a really bright kid and he gets it really quick. But listen, Andy Reid and Mahomes, once they paid Patrick Mahomes. Andy Reid and Mahomes have struggled the last two years to score points. Okay? That's what happens when you pay the quarterback. You're going to have to make big time decisions. And I'll just throw this out there. The NFC West. So who's your biggest rival? If you're the Niners? J. Mac, it's the Rams. Okay, The Rams defense is good, bordering on excellent. Young and getting better. Seattle and Arizona with defensive coaches, both their defenses moved up dramatically. Last year. Arizona was bottom of the league. Now they're middle of the pack. So my take is the, the NFC west has become a very good defensive division. And if the Rams are your rival. And we know Brock Purdy's not staffer of the talent. Good luck against that Rams defense because it is, it is going to be the next Eagles defense. It is that good they get if they land a good corner in the first or third round. They don't have a second round pick. Watch out. They're about a corner away from being even better. So I'll just say last year was a real year for Brock Purdy. Like he didn't have all his weapons. He had some of them. Kittle was great. Kittle was outstanding. Debo Samuel was there. Shanahan's a brilliant play designer. Play caller. I'm not. You had. You had some weapons. But they were one in six against playoff teams. They ate against bad teams. They scored 28 a game against non playoff teams. They scored, you know, 19 a game against playoff teams. And not only did he have 12 picks, some of them were ugly. Like. Like more than a few were. What are we doing here? Here's John lynch on the discussion on the contract. They're already talking. We have started negotiations. We're talking. I won't go into negotiations. Like always is our stance. Want Brock to be our quarterback as long as we're here and. And beyond and. And we'll leave it at that. I think the final thing, there's no guarantees that we get something done. But my experience has been when both sides are motivated, there's ample opportunity to do so. I mean there's three quarterbacks in this league that win regardless of what's around them. Lamar, Josh and Patrick. It just doesn't matter. Herbert's good, but he needs the right coach. Right. Herbert's good, needs the right coach. Joe Burrow's great. Needs a better offensive line and a better defense. There's three guys in this league that you can pay a ton of money to and they're still going to win 75% of their games. Lamar, Josh and Patrick. That's it. So I'm just throwing it out there. I know old J. Mac give the bag to. Everybody over here is just throwing them around like they're Jolly Ranchers. Just throwing those bills around, those C notes around. You got to be careful. You even you would acknowledge once you pay the quarterback, you're going to have to. You can't keep all the players.

Jason McIntyre (37:53)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (37:53)

I mean, listen, you did some cherry picking with the stats against playoff teams. Oh, no, no. Christian McCaffrey. No. Brandon Ayuki's missing half his team. Like, yeah, he had a couple bad games. But your dislike For Purdy really is something. It's not just, you know what it comes back to? Audience this is real talk that he was the dead last pick in the draft. If Brock Purdy was like the last pick in the first round, Calhoun would be giving him chances. Everybody would. People are out on him because he was not an early pick. He has proven more to you as a starter, has he not? I am. That he's an elite. He's not an elite quarterback. I am not out on him. I've never been out on Dak. I am out on paying Dak 60 million a year. I'm not out on Brock Purdy. I don't think you should pay him early. I'd let it. I'd let the contract run. 50. How's 50? Nope. 45. We can talk about that. That's your alternative. But remember, he says no, thanks. I'm going to test the market. Okay. Good luck. Good luck with that. All right. Good luck.

Jason McIntyre (38:52)

Go ahead.

Colin Cowherd (38:54)

I'm just saying this is not Saquon Barkley going from the Giants to the Eagles. If he went to Seattle with a defensive coach, it's not the same player.

Jason McIntyre (39:04)

Okay.

Colin Cowherd (39:04)

Who would you rather take if you're the Colts, Brock Purdy or Sam Darnold? If I'm the Colts, yeah. Well, you're going to have to pay, according to the agent here, more for Purdy. And Darnold's a much better athlete with a better arm. What, you think Darnold is a better quarterback than right now, Than Brock Purdy? He's a much better athlete with a much better arm. That's all I'm saying. I'm just talking about traits as a quarterback. One more Herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the iHeartRadio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Passed away at 95 years old today in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Just a tip. He's obviously. Hoosiers is arguably the greatest sports movie of all time. If you want to watch an old school movie, go to 1974's the Conversation. Now that's the year Chinatown came out and Godfather 2. So the conversation was totally overlooked. It's a Sneaky Great Top 25, top 30 film all time. I'll just throw.

Jason McIntyre (40:04)

Listen, I, I value some things you say and I'll go check out the Conversation.

Colin Cowherd (40:10)

Okay, now, now, again, that, that's. I, I. Should I take it back? Top hundred movie of all time. Top 30 is two grand.

Jason McIntyre (40:16)

Top 30 is way too great.

Colin Cowherd (40:18)

Yeah. That's way too much because you gotta. You gotta figure out it's about six. Kevin Costner top 30 overlooked. Top. Oh, God. Top. Top 15 overlooked.

Jason McIntyre (40:26)

Okay, there you go.

Colin Cowherd (40:27)

Top 15. Overlook. Number one overlooked all time. That's the voice of Will Blackman. Radio audience. The number one overlooked movie of all time, Dead Calm with Billy Zane and Nicole Kidman. Have you ever seen Dead Calm?

Jason McIntyre (40:39)

No.

Colin Cowherd (40:39)

Oh, it is. Anybody here in the set seen Dead Calm?

Jason McIntyre (40:43)

Oh, you know why on the set.

Colin Cowherd (40:46)

Oh, God, it's one. You've seen it. Okay. One guy got his act together. Okay. Will Black. So watch the conversation. 1974, Chinatown. Godfather 2 came out. Nobody, nobody talked about the movie. It's one of Hackman's great ones. Okay. 12 years in the NFL. He's going to be on Speak later today. My buddy Will Blackman. Okay, so I want to start with this. The NFL PA comes out with a report card.

Jason McIntyre (41:07)

Yes.

Colin Cowherd (41:08)

I don't know how in the world Cincinnati got an F on food. I have no idea how bad the food is. Does it matter how nice the facilities are? Does it matter how nice the plane is?

Jason McIntyre (41:20)

It helps.

Colin Cowherd (41:21)

Helps.

Jason McIntyre (41:21)

Maybe. Maybe the Bengals are serving too much chili up there. That's probably what's going on here. It helps just in terms of like, just the vibe. Like when I worked with the Cowboys last year, that's. It was a great place to go to. It was a great, great facility, great food. Like, everything was awesome there. But in terms of like free agent wise destin. It's more of like the destination. I don't think they. It's so much the facility. But I will say this, though. When I was on the then Redskins and we signed Josh Norman, I remember he came into the building and Mr. Snyder overheard him saying, like, this locker room is terrible. Like our locker room was. We did not have a good locker room. We had the same locker room that the Washington team had in 1992. It was the same locker room. And literally, apparently, apparently Mr. Snyder heard that we broke ground literally next day or sometime that week and we had.

Colin Cowherd (42:14)

A new locker room. So it matters for free agents.

Jason McIntyre (42:18)

Yeah, it does to an extent. I mean, if you're in a cool destination and you're getting your. Your bag, you're getting money. I mean, yeah. At the end of the day, like, it is what it is. But we have great facilities in Green Bay, but people. No one really wanted to come to Green Bay.

Colin Cowherd (42:31)

Yeah. Whether. Whatever. Small market. So Green Bay has good facilities.

Jason McIntyre (42:34)

Yeah. I liked it when I was there.

Colin Cowherd (42:35)

Yeah. I heard they, like, I heard Green Bay. I mean, they'll iron your socks like they. They treat players.

Jason McIntyre (42:41)

It is. It is full service. I. I didn't pay for a car. I didn't pay for a cell phone. I didn't pay for dinner. Only thing I paid for was.

Colin Cowherd (42:50)

What do you mean, you didn't pay for dinner?

Jason McIntyre (42:51)

Because you would be out to dinner and, like, a fan would. I got it. And you wouldn't know. Like, undercover. They wouldn't tell you wouldn't know who it was.

Colin Cowherd (43:00)

That's the Midwestern people.

Jason McIntyre (43:02)

They're not flashy Packer fans. I can't say all Midwestern.

Colin Cowherd (43:05)

Okay, how about this? I said this before. I know money matters.

Jason McIntyre (43:11)

Yes.

Colin Cowherd (43:12)

Okay. You live in California. Rams say two years, 95 million. Thirteen and a half percent state tax. Vegas says three years, 150, no state tax. I'd have to go.

Jason McIntyre (43:27)

You'd have to go.

Colin Cowherd (43:28)

That's just too big of a gap. And I do think it matters. It's indoors. I'm not going to go to the Giants and play outdoors for a bad organization.

Jason McIntyre (43:34)

We're not going to go to the Giants.

Colin Cowherd (43:35)

But let me ask you. Money matters. And for rich guys, maybe it matters less. But I think the Raiders, I think hiring Chip Kelly and Pete Carroll is a win. I think it's a big deal.

Jason McIntyre (43:48)

It's a win. Yes. No question. I will say this, too, with Sean McVay, like, he truly respects a player's value. You know, when I was there this past offseason and we were discussing free agents, he was like, I like this guy, but I don't want to insult him by offering less than what he is worth.

Colin Cowherd (44:10)

Right.

Jason McIntyre (44:10)

And this is about a certain player. And so just knowing him, when he said that, I'm sure he was like, hey, Matt does deserve to go get what he. What he. What he wants. Based on the market, he should go get it. It's going to be really hard for us to do to get what he. To give him what he wants, money wise, but we would love to have him here, but it has to be at this number. And, yeah, in terms of the Raiders, that was when that job became available. I outright was like, it makes too much sense for Pete Carroll. It makes too much sense because you truly need someone who is going to come in there and completely reset the culture, and there isn't really anyone who does that better than him.

Colin Cowherd (44:47)

Do you think Brady taking him skiing matters? Does that have influence?

Jason McIntyre (44:50)

Say it again.

Colin Cowherd (44:51)

Tom Brady took him skiing up in Montana. Does that matter?

Jason McIntyre (44:55)

I think that does matter. Yeah, of course, that definitely matters because a lot of the, a lot of like the OG quarterbacks, they truly respect Matt Stafford. Not just, not, not just his mind, but what he can do with the football playing against him twice a year. When I was in Green Bay, I mean I've been seeing those no look passes since the, you know, the early 2000s. Like that's just what he did. And I mean Aaron Rodgers was even on record mentioning like, hey, that dude number nine on Detroit, like the stuff he can do with the football. Like, like people I've seen and played against. Obviously you say Mahomes, you say Aaron Rodgers, you say Matt Stafford in terms of what they can do with the football. Just lights out. So I think, I think in terms of, yeah, if I was him, I definitely, if the Raiders offer that I would go there.

Colin Cowherd (45:39)

Yeah, I feel the same way. And okay, so now I have said this and I have been critical of your friend Aaron, but I said I thought Aaron, considering it was a suboptimal coaching staff in New York at the end of the year. I like Salah, but when he left I didn't think it was a very good staff. Aaron's last 10 games, he was good. He was very, very good.

Jason McIntyre (45:54)

Right.

Colin Cowherd (45:55)

I would have no problem saying, Aaron, we're going to bring in you for two years. First year, it's your team. We are going to draft a quarterback next year. But I think, forget the being humbled thing, I think Aaron played good football and I, I, I don't think he's as good as Matt Stafford now. But I would have no problem bringing Aaron Rodgers in on a two year deal. It's your team for a year. You may win it the second year, but we are going to draft the quarterback next year. Would you do that?

Jason McIntyre (46:21)

You say any team?

Colin Cowherd (46:22)

No, no, I'm saying Rams.

Jason McIntyre (46:23)

We're still on the Rams because I'm.

Colin Cowherd (46:25)

Not going to go with Garoppolo if Stafford leaves. I'm gonna, we're good of a team. We have too many good players.

Jason McIntyre (46:30)

We're still right there. And, and I think in terms of what Aaron wants and what the Rams need, that makes the most sense. That makes the most sense because they're, I mean they're, there probably aren't too many minds like Sean McVeigh that Aaron respects. And I think, I think them two would be absolutely.

Colin Cowherd (46:47)

So do I. Elite.

Jason McIntyre (46:49)

Because especially what he did with LaFleur. The same offense. Right. And now you, now you would.

Colin Cowherd (46:52)

Yeah, his brother.

Jason McIntyre (46:53)

Yes, his brother. Right.

Colin Cowherd (46:56)

All right. No, I, you know, it. This sounds like one of these things. If I always say, if you'd have told people before Kevin Durant went to the warriors, if you'd have told them Kevin Durant's going to go to the warriors, it sounded ridiculous. This is not ridiculous. I think the Raiders have a slight lead over the Rams. I got a text about 20 minutes ago and they were like, you're on to something. I think the Raiders are very attractive and I'm not. I'm not. The Rams have too many good players to ham and egg it. You got to go get somebody who can play.

Jason McIntyre (47:23)

You got it? Yeah. Because again, you're still in it. And when I look at the Raiders going after, possibly going after Stafford, you know, when, when Pete Carroll took over Seattle in 2010, he had a 35 year old Matt Hasselbeck, you know, obviously it was for one year, but they did go and get a quarterback in terms of Russell and they end up signing Matt Flynn. Obviously we know what happens with that. So I could see this being a situation where like you need, you need a quarterback now to get you off the ground and running whatever he's trying to build in Vegas.

Colin Cowherd (47:52)

Okay, so the best athlete in this draft is Travis Hunter from Colorado. Plays DB and receiver. Many people may not know this. You tried out a little receiver at Boston College.

Jason McIntyre (48:02)

Ain't no try out. Why wasn't just try out?

Colin Cowherd (48:04)

I mean, they gave you, you said.

Jason McIntyre (48:05)

You know, I took the bait. I took the bait. I took the bait.

Colin Cowherd (48:08)

They gave you a couple curl routes your senior year?

Jason McIntyre (48:10)

No, I ran two routes. I ran a now route and a go route. That's it. I ran two routes.

Colin Cowherd (48:15)

And did you have a few catches?

Jason McIntyre (48:17)

I was all acc, where you been at? Do your homework.

Colin Cowherd (48:20)

Well, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't watch. Your.

Jason McIntyre (48:22)

The only reason why I wasn't first team is cuz some bum named Calvin Johnson, he, whatever, whoever it was, he.

Colin Cowherd (48:28)

So you, you were a great db. And they ran out of scholies and they said, go play some receivers.

Jason McIntyre (48:33)

We ran out of receivers and I was a punt returner and they said, would you want to play receiver? And I said, absolutely not. And they asked me probably five times. And then finally I was like, you know what? Because I just saw the reports that I was one of the top DBs going to my senior year. So I was like, I'm not going to mess with that. And so I finally gave in. I was like, you know what? I knew I was going to get drafted Eventually. And we were just trying to win more games and hopefully win the acc. So I went to receiver, ended up winning the X job, and then I ended up playing nickel as well. So I played. I was receiver, punt returner, kick returner, and nickel.

Colin Cowherd (49:06)

Now, your reputation was you didn't like to go over the middle and get hit. That's what the sources tell me.

Jason McIntyre (49:13)

Wrong sources. It was no need. Just give me the football now.

Colin Cowherd (49:16)

Okay, so my take is you go to the combine when you went there, because obviously you showed people you flexed on both sides. Was it a conversation? I mean, because Travis can do both. You could have been an NFL receiver. Obviously, you're athletic enough. You're a punt returner, which I know. What were the conversations like?

Jason McIntyre (49:33)

Well, here's what's crazy. So I finished my year, obviously, at receiver. Then I went to the Senior bowl as a defensive back, and then I went to the combine as a wide receiver. So I did all the receiver drills, and I was done. And I remember looking up, and I saw. I think it was Coach Parcells raised his hand. He goes, he needs to do DB drills. And they go, DBs aren't till later in the week. Well, have them do them now. So I was out there by myself, and a bunch of coaches stayed, and I did DB drills right then and there. And so now, prior to that, during the week, you know, you're meeting with coaches in the hallway and what have you. And I remember the Atlanta Falcons pulled me aside, and they were like, hey, man, we really like you at receiver. You know, you did some good things. And, you know, if you're available after the draft as a free agent, we'll probably pick you up. And so I'm thinking, like, I'm, like, free agent.

Colin Cowherd (50:28)

I was like, oh, no.

Jason McIntyre (50:29)

I told everybody I'm a defensive back. If the Atlanta Falcons thinks I'm a free agent wide receiver, then I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna fight or trying to sell that I'm a receiver. And so I nearly. I just told everyone at the combine I'm a db. Because if Atlanta thinks I'm a free agent, then apparently no one thinks I.

Colin Cowherd (50:47)

Want us to get some YouTube receiver video. Cause all your college video that I've seen is you blowing people up.

Jason McIntyre (50:53)

Then you. You looked up the wrong Blackman.

Colin Cowherd (50:59)

I got action now with you. Multiple times. No receiver years.

Jason McIntyre (51:04)

We don't really talk about football. I mean, we talk about, like, food and life. Life.

Colin Cowherd (51:10)

Yeah.

Jason McIntyre (51:11)

We're actually friends. You know what I mean?

Colin Cowherd (51:12)

Yeah. So let me just Say this when the combine's fascinating because I think what makes football players unique is they grow. There's a physicality to the league that they grow more slowly than basketball players. You can spot at 15 or 16. Almost all the Nike knows who the best prospects are.

Jason McIntyre (51:32)

15, right?

Colin Cowherd (51:33)

You have no idea. In the NFL, a lot of these kids, nobody knew what Tom.

Jason McIntyre (51:36)

In basketball, you're like, hurry up and finish your freshman year. Because we know we're drafting.

Colin Cowherd (51:40)

Yeah, football's different. When you go to the combine, go back to your combine, Give me two or three players that you looked at because you were obviously a dominant high school college athlete. Were there two or three guys you looked at and went the hell, like Calvin Johnson? Was he one? You just went, well, you saw him play in your conference. But I mean, are there guys at the combine that you knew instantly, oh, he's a star in the NFL. Day one.

Jason McIntyre (52:05)

Yeah, I. I remember getting ready. Everyone's warming up for the 40 yard dash. And I remember I said, I went with the. I went with the receivers. And so I see who I played against. I seen Vernon Davis, like, he.

Colin Cowherd (52:16)

Oh, I remember that.

Jason McIntyre (52:17)

He starts getting ready. He's getting ready. And this is when Vernon, I mean, his highlight was him working out. That was his highlight tape. And he had his dreads and he was like, he lined up for his 40. And he looks at me, he was like, 4, 3, 6. And I'm like, yeah, right.

Colin Cowherd (52:33)

He was a tight end.

Jason McIntyre (52:34)

255, 6, 4. I'm like, four, bam. 437. I go, oh, my God. And for me, like, I know how athletic I was and I'm not easily impressed, but when I seen that man with that stature run a 437, you.

Colin Cowherd (52:49)

Know, I brought this up live two days ago or three days ago on the show J. Mac. I said one of the most memorable things I ever remember at the combine was Vernon Davis with a tight shirt. I don't think Under Armour, I don't know if they know they were a company yet.

Jason McIntyre (53:03)

It was. Reebok was okay.

Colin Cowherd (53:04)

He had a tight shirt on. And I'm like, I can see his six pack through his T shirt, bro.

Jason McIntyre (53:08)

And then the other one was, you know how you do the receiver gauntlet drill? You have to catch football. Well, it was Marcus Colston for the Saints who went to Hofstra. Yeah, he didn't have any gloves. And I'm like, we got Jay Cutler throwing the ball, Tavares Jackson throwing the ball, like ripping the football. And I went through it. And the. The laces ripped my gloves when I caught the ball. And he went through there, just, boom, boom. No gloves. And I'm just like, okay, that's a grown man. That's just a grown man.

Colin Cowherd (53:40)

You know? It's. What's funny. I'm gonna go old school here. So I went to college at a university, Eastern Washington University, used to be the home of the Seattle Seahawks camp. So the Seahawks were kind of a new football team, a little bit new, but, you know, everybody knew who they were. And it was Zorn and Largent. I go to camp one year, and I stayed for summer school. I was dating a tennis instructor. A long story.

Jason McIntyre (53:59)

I don't need to know that.

Colin Cowherd (54:00)

Just, why did I do that? Why?

Jason McIntyre (54:01)

Context didn't matter. I know. Exactly.

Colin Cowherd (54:03)

Okay, whatever. It's, like, not. Not appropriate. So anyway. So anyway, I go to practice, and number 41 from Colgate is lighting up Steve Large and. Or thereabout, like. Like, elite players. And I go get the card. You buy it for, like, a buck. I'm like, who is Eugene Robinson? Yeah. I saw, literally, first set, two picks, blew a receiver up, and I'm like. So it's funny about when you go and you play, so you go to the Green Bay packers. And I've told people this all the time. You a player, like, you can tell within two practices, like, who's the guy from Hofra, Right? Who's the guy from. I'd never seen it at the time. I'd never seen Colgate's Ivy League. I'd never seen an Ivy League football game. So were you nervous at the combine?

Jason McIntyre (54:55)

I was not nervous at all. I was. I was so excited because I'm. I'm such a fan of football. So I grew up, you know, watching everything, and I could not wait to go there. And I would say I was. I was nervous maybe, for some of the interviews, just because you heard all the crazy stories and what have you. The only thing I truly didn't like is, are the physicals straight? Violation. Violation. I had a. I had a. Like, a grade two, like, AC separation of my shoulder, and I had. I'm sitting there on the table. There's all the team doctors around me, and one of them, you know, tested out my strength for my shoulders, passed, got the doctor four pass, doctor five. I'm like, wait. I said, do all y'all need a strength test me? And they're like, well, we need to see for ourselves. I'm like, so by the time I got to team 29, done. So I ended up. I didn't bench press that that day because I couldn't. I had nothing left. The doctors crushed my shoulders. It was crazy. Or another doctor found out I sprained my ankle when I was like. I had, like, a hairline fracture when I was, like, 13. Yeah, weird stuff.

Colin Cowherd (56:04)

Yeah. Well, the team doctors, I didn't love them back in the 70s, 80s, 90s. They've gotten better. There's always been. Remember the Chargers had that situation where Tyrod Taylor before a game, punctured.

Jason McIntyre (56:13)

Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (56:14)

A little sketchy on that. Okay, so I think I. I've told you before, you've thought about doing coaching. I think you should go into the front office. I think you're more cerebral. You should go upstairs. You shouldn't go to college. No, life. You're the. You're the Niners gm. He and I go back and forth on this last year. Christian McCaffrey's not available. Trent Williams, banged up pretty, throws 12 picks. Many ugly passer ratings in the 90s. I'm not paying him 50 large. I'm not doing it. I like him.

Jason McIntyre (56:48)

What does he deserve?

Colin Cowherd (56:50)

Well, what he's earned, in my opinion, is closer to Daniel Jones.

Jason McIntyre (56:55)

He earned 50.

Colin Cowherd (56:56)

Oh, come on.

Jason McIntyre (56:57)

He earned 50.

Colin Cowherd (56:58)

12 picks last year.

Jason McIntyre (57:00)

That's not bad.

Colin Cowherd (57:01)

He's not. It's not a Disney movie. I don't care that he was drafted in the 70s.

Jason McIntyre (57:05)

In the NFL is not bad.

Colin Cowherd (57:09)

You would give him 50 large?

Jason McIntyre (57:10)

50. You look at the list of the guys making 50, he's like, what would.

Colin Cowherd (57:14)

You give Sam Darnold under 50? I would give. I think Sam's in the Baker class.

Jason McIntyre (57:20)

Sam's definitely in the Baker class.

Colin Cowherd (57:21)

Like, 38 million.

Jason McIntyre (57:22)

He's in the Baker class. He is in the big class.

Colin Cowherd (57:24)

You give. You give Brock pretty 50.

Jason McIntyre (57:26)

50.

Colin Cowherd (57:26)

Look at that picture. You can't see it behind you. The hands are a little small. It drizzles. The ball comes out of his hand. It drizzles.50. Oh, God. That's a lot of money.

Jason McIntyre (57:36)

It is a lot of money, but then he should have played horrible the past years. He's been there.

Colin Cowherd (57:41)

Okay, I'm just. I'm just throwing it out there.

Jason McIntyre (57:42)

I feel you.

Colin Cowherd (57:43)

Okay, now. Now you work for the Cowboys.

Jason McIntyre (57:46)

I did.

Colin Cowherd (57:49)

It was some front office stuff, right?

Jason McIntyre (57:51)

Yes. I did both.

Colin Cowherd (57:54)

What do you make of that operation right now? I want honesty. I want. Come on.

Jason McIntyre (57:59)

I think. I think. I think Will Clay is outstanding. I think he is an outstanding evaluator, and I think he does a great job. Now, the only Thing is, he has to vet it through, you know, Mr. Jerry Jones, like that's who has final say. But I think Will Clay, just in general as in terms of what he does and what he knows, I think he's outstanding, which is why he got some inquiries from other teams, right? Yeah.

Colin Cowherd (58:22)

But there's a guy upstairs you have to deal with.

Jason McIntyre (58:24)

You got it. You got it.

Colin Cowherd (58:24)

It's understood in the organization.

Jason McIntyre (58:26)

It's understood.

Colin Cowherd (58:26)

Did you see Jerry a lot?

Jason McIntyre (58:28)

I did, yeah. He was everywhere. He was. He was full hands on. You know, he. He ran the personnel meetings. You know, he was there and he was. Yeah, he was very, very involved. And you knew it too, because you, you could be walking down the hall, grabbing a shake, whatever, and all of a sudden you see the chopper coming down, laying around the practice field like, we got a meeting. Like, he's here. Oh, yeah.

Colin Cowherd (58:51)

Now does he talk? Like if he and Stephen are in the room at the same time, who talks?

Jason McIntyre (58:55)

Everyone speaks. Yeah. One thing, one thing from my experience, he. When Mr. Jones spoke, like everybody had a chance. He wasn't like, oh, talking over people. Now, I wasn't there during the entire season. I was there just the whole off season. But, you know, and being in there, like, there are a lot of things that, you know, I agree with in terms of like personnel stuff that's going on. And so he just, again, it still has to run through him. But overall, like I said, in terms of being in that area, like, we'll. We'll. Mlay is great. I think he's great.

Colin Cowherd (59:26)

All right. Do we ever find that YouTube video? It's like finding Bigfoot video. Some catches by you in the acc.

Jason McIntyre (59:32)

You got a better chance finding that than me finding the conversation.

Colin Cowherd (59:38)

It's in 1974 was a great year.

Jason McIntyre (59:41)

It's not when I played. Oh, I thought you talking about me.

Colin Cowherd (59:43)

No, no, no. You were more closer to the early 80s. But the conversation was in a year of two great movies. Godfather 2, Godfather 3, I think stinks. But Godfather 2 is pretty good in Chinatown with Jack Nicholson and so the conversation was overlooked.

Jason McIntyre (59:57)

Should I start conversation around 6:00pm I.

Colin Cowherd (60:01)

I would say this, the most underrated movie of my lifetime is dead calm. I'll. I'll tell you this 40 year old virgin is the most underrated comedy of my life. That's the only comedy I've ever watched. That gets better. Generally, comedies have a great opening, 12 minutes and then they, you know, then it, then it sizzles. 40 year old virgins last 30 minutes are as funny and better than the first Hour. That's an underrated movie. And the conversations. Top 15 Underrated Movies of all time. What's so funny? What are you laughing at? I love that.

Jason McIntyre (60:39)

Jason.

Colin Cowherd (60:40)

Do you have, do you have Give me a movie you think is doesn't get the, the res.

Jason McIntyre (60:45)

I'm not. You know what's tough? I'm not Let you say Mission Impossible. I'm just not a, I'm not a crazy movie guy to have these arguments.

Colin Cowherd (60:53)

Okay, all right.

Jason McIntyre (60:54)

I like what I like, and I'm not a crazy. I'm like a, you know, I'm, I don't know.

Colin Cowherd (61:00)

You're a wine.

Jason McIntyre (61:00)

So I would say, like, Hoosiers isn't the best sports movie. It's Rocky.

Colin Cowherd (61:05)

Rocky probably is the best sports movie. Yeah, yeah. Hoosier's Second. And that one with what was the Miracle on Ice.

Jason McIntyre (61:11)

That was a great one.

Colin Cowherd (61:12)

Oh, my God. That speech in the locker room by Kurt Russell.

Jason McIntyre (61:17)

That one moved me.

Colin Cowherd (61:19)

Caddyshack is four.

Jason McIntyre (61:21)

Caddy Shack is. You're just trying to cause drama. How you gonna Throw Caddyshack at 4?

Colin Cowherd (61:25)

No miracle. Nice. 3. Caddyshack at 4.

Jason McIntyre (61:28)

Please don't say it. Please don't. Please don't say it.

Colin Cowherd (61:30)

Natural out. Natural is not believable. Nobody's hitting balls that blow up score.

Jason McIntyre (61:34)

Don't throw Rudy in there either. Don't either.

Colin Cowherd (61:37)

I thought Rudy was overrated.

Jason McIntyre (61:38)

Thank you. Thank you.

Colin Cowherd (61:39)

See?

Jason McIntyre (61:39)

We agree on something wholeheartedly.

Colin Cowherd (61:41)

Yeah, I didn't think Rudy was that great.

Jason McIntyre (61:43)

Yeah, Rudy. Sorry.

Colin Cowherd (61:45)

Oh. Oh, I, I cannot believe. I, I, I whiffed. Oh, my bad. Totally. I totally screwed up. The best sports movie of all time is Moneyball. Rocky second, Hoosiers third. My bad. Money. You've seen Moneyball.

Jason McIntyre (61:58)

I have.

Colin Cowherd (61:58)

That's a very, That's.

Jason McIntyre (62:00)

No, it's great. It's very nerdy. It's appreciated, but Rocky.

Colin Cowherd (62:05)

Okay, we gotta go. We still couldn't find that Catching the Ball video at Boston College. We'll look it up. Couple a couple of drag routes. He picked up a first. Not much to see live in la. It's the Hurt. This is Nikki Glaser from the Nikki Glaser Podcast. On a more serious note, I'm still thinking about that commercial with Tom Brady and Snoop Dogg hating on each other. Because when you listen to the reasons for hating someone or something, you realize just how stupid they really are. There is too much hate in this country and it's gotta stop. So join us at iHeart in standing up to it. If you see hate, speak up, call it out and you can learn more by following ot'supwithhate make some noise for.

Jason McIntyre (62:49)

The greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry.

Colin Cowherd (62:54)

We went live from All Star Weekend.

Jason McIntyre (62:56)

For a new podcast called Goat Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.

Colin Cowherd (63:01)

Peja 5 Dirk Ford. Peja is elite. You won't believe who Steph left off his list.

Jason McIntyre (63:06)

That's so tough.

Colin Cowherd (63:07)

That's why we have these conversations.

Jason McIntyre (63:10)

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Jason McIntyre (63:18)

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Colin Cowherd (63:19)

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Jason McIntyre (63:24)

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Colin Cowherd (63:25)

This podcast is based on my co host Mark Seal's best selling book of the same title. Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire, and many others. Yes, that was a real horse's head. Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This past season on my podcast, here's the thing, I spoke with more actors, musicians, policymakers, and so many other fascinating people like writer and actor Dan Aykroyd. I love writing more than anything. You're left alone, you know, you do three hours in the morning, you write three hours in the afternoon. Go pick up a kid from school and write at night. And after nine hours you come out with seven pages and then you're moving on. Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.