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New cars, used cars, electric cars, even flying cars. Okay, no flying cars yet, but as soon as those get invented, they'll be on autotrader. If you see a car you like, it's probably on Auto Trader. That's kind of their thing. Auto Trader thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Here we go on a Tuesday. Man, there is a lot happening in sports live. It's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Well, there was perceived controversy, though. The New York Knicks looked like the real deal. The warriors are done. NFL schedule release Coach K. Mike Shashevsky stops by Nick Wright an hour from now. Stops by. Wild night. Like so many different storylines. Just a completely wild night in the NBA. Yeah, you could say that, Colin. Conspiracy theorists running wild. It's a great night day to be a conspiracy theorist, isn't it? Well, several minutes before that awful injury to Jason Tatum, several minutes before you could see it. I could see it. I think people in Boston could see it. The Knicks are going to win this series. They're the better team. They're better coached. They're more relentless. The home crowd clearly elevates this team. They're dominating the boards. Their bigs are playing better. They're passing better. Less standing around, better decision making. More points in the paint. Tibbs took the Celtics head coach Joe Missoula to the cleaners. The Celtics in the second half. It was ISO standaround. Basketball coach pull some levers. Do something. What happened to Peyton Pritchard? Isn't he good? Why'd he only play 20 minutes? It was just hard to watch. Missoula coaches like he's got a checklist. That's not. That's not what NBA playoff basketball is about. It's about pulling levers. You can see Steve Kerr do it, though. He's outmanned. You really see a Chris Finch doing it for years. Eric Spoelstra. Joe Missoula has got like one club in his bag. When the three point shots don't fall, he's out of luck. But this series really has not been about the Celtics. It's been about New York. If you didn't know better and you just turned into that thing last night, you would think the world champion New York Knicks were defending their title. Their ability to execute in crunch time. Everybody's touching the ball. The shot making from Cat Brunson, OG Bridges, the toughness coming back. Multiple games, all of them from 20 points down. Their leader, Jalen Brunson. Let's just be honest. He. He is like the new Jerry West. He is Mr. Clutch. Tatum played great before the injury. It was a Great game. But in terms of clutch, is there any small player in this league you trust more with the ball than Jalen Brunson? I'm including Steph. I know he's undersized. I know he's a second rounder, I know he's not a premier athlete, but, man, he finds good shots. He has been, and I've said this for the last two years, the best quarterback New York has, his decision making. You can tell he's a smart guy that went to Villanova, dad played in the league. Fearless player, totally trustworthy. But again, it's not just that New York's winning, it's how they're winning. New York is making Boston look fragmented, disorganized, poorly coached, confused and passive. If you'd never watch basketball and you tuned into that game and I said, find the champion. It looks like the Knicks, they've got a swagger, a confidence shot making, an attitude. Even before the Tatum injury, which was obviously awful. And he. We're not going to speculate, but that looked really bad. We'll find out more today. An mri, New York. It's only three to one, Knicks. It felt like it was over five minutes before the Tatum injury. The confidence, the shot making. I'm sitting here watching. Everybody on that team dependent on nobody. Great ball movement. Josh Hart didn't need a bunch of points. He'd touch it, get it to somebody who's hot. Here's Brunson after. I think it was a sense of, like, urgency, desperation, just knowing that we have a great opportunity, we're playing a really good team, and I don't even think we're playing our best basketball yet. We have a team who's fairly new this year, and we still have a long way to go to be the best thing we can be. It is. These windows close fast. I was talking to a friend last night in a podcast and I said, remember when the Seahawks were great and then they won a Super Bowl, Blew out Peyton Manning. They go to another one, should win it. Russell Wilson throws a pick. People thought Marshawn lynch should have gotten the handoff. They lose close to Brady and the Patriots. It screws with the culture in the locker room. There's doubt, there's finger pointing. Never the same franchise good, but never great again. And with Boston, the injury, $500 million bankroll, needed new owners. They're getting old. What happened to poor Zingis? I don't know. I know the west has better teams, younger teams, but when I watch the Knicks all year long, I've thought, you know, they've got to solve this. They. They need another shot maker. I'm watching this series and I'm like, they. Maybe they need a tweak, a more dependable big. But I don't think they need much, at least to win the East. All right, let's talk Golden State. Golden State's in trouble, not just this year, but for the foreseeable future. They brought in Jimmy Butler, as we talked about yesterday, to squeeze every last bit of juice out of Steph. And Steve Kerr, again, excellent coach. But just like the Lakers series, where old LeBron Luca and Austin Reeves kind of felt outmanned that Minnesota was getting more out of more players. I'm watching the Timberwolves. That's the opposite of the Celtics. That team doesn't have. As this team doesn't have as much talent. They're pulling every lever. I mean, Julius Randle, he's a legitimate two. He was never a good playoff guy. He's been excellent. 31 last night, 52% from the field. His assist playmaking has been fantastic. He's finally a dependable playoff guy. And Edwards, unrefined at times. Anybody notice in the series, he averages seven points in the first half, 20 in the second? Something the staff is doing and tweaking is changing the way he plays in every game in the second half. It's remarkable. This is an odd, disparate roster full of guys that shouldn't fit. 7 foot 1. Rudy Gobert, who can't really shoot. Undrafted. Nas Reed, who's a good athlete, but what else? Julius Randle, who's a tweener and an emerging superstar who sometimes can't find his shot. It's just a bunch of guys who we've never trusted in the playoffs. And now for the second straight year, we do. I mean, LeBron Luca and Austin Reaves look completely outclassed. A little bit of Steph Butler and Draymond. Similarly, it doesn't feel like they're close. And this was the clear value of coaching on display. You look at this Minnesota roster, you could argue there's five or six better rosters. Cleveland's roster is better. I mean, OKCS is obviously better. I could argue Golden State when Steph is healthy. Healthy is close, but it's. It's. They have transformed all these different pieces that shouldn't necessarily fit. Julius Randall didn't really fit early in the season. Now at the end of the season, what a great, dependable number two. We've never said that about Julius Randle, and it was a halftime speech by a newly formed leader, Ant Edwards, that changed the game. I told him we only got two wins. I've never seen a series and two one. So I told him, you know, we got to get two more wins and right now we playing like we already got four wins. Like we playing like they gonna lay down. And knowing this team, knowing their head coach, they're never gonna la. So we had to, we had to figure it out, man, because if we would have kept playing like that, we would have lost tonight. So during the dynasty and the great run by Steve Kerr, he has always been known. The warriors have had some of the great third quarters ever. A little tweak, add this, subtract that, change that, tweak that the warriors would take close games and come out with an 18 to 4 run and end it. That's what Minnesota has been doing. Especially Ant Edwards. He is a totally different player. First couple of games in this series, shots didn't fall. Couldn't get the close ones to go either. He's been in this series transformed. That is along with Ant, Randall, Gobert, Nas Reed and the rest. That is coaching on display. So J. Mac, the. Listen, I don't care what people say about market size, the defending champs are in big trouble. Minnesota is going to beat the most popular player, Steph Curry. Lakers have already been extinguished. OKC is a small market, but nonetheless, Americans are absolutely sure the lottery was rigged. Well, Colin, first of all, I don't know that the Timberwolves are beating Steph Curry since he's barely played in the series. They're beating a Warriors team, which doesn't look like, I mean anything resembling a playoff team without Curry. It is amazing how far they've fallen without a superstar. Yeah, I mean it's, it's. I think Boston will show up the next game without Tatum. Yes. The warriors can't do anything without Curry. Yeah, I mean he is their gps. They are kind of a directionless offense. He's the, you know, we've said this. There, there, there are certain players, LeBron in his prime and, and Steph Curry, where they're kind of the, the ecosystem like the offense goes through them. It looks different, the pacing is different, the ball movements. That's why Kaminga is flourishing without Steph. And then the offense totally changes with Steph and he just looks lost. So there are. The good news for Golden State is they're going to be able to move Kaminga, who looks like a 20 game, 20 point a game guy against a very good defensive team. So Kaminga, his value shot up. That's the only thing if you're the warriors, because I don't think Curry's going to play. He acknowledged yesterday as what's the point of risking it? Hamstring, as you've noted, is a rest injury. But Kaminga's play has created a market.
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I just I the whole the way the draft went down last night, the draft lottery, this Giannis stuff is going absolutely volcanic. There's so many teams potentially involved, plus the Tatum injury. Colin I had thought Boston could be a landing spot for Giannis. I don't know if that's the case anymore. Due to this injury to Tatum, he's going to be out until at least the All Star break, possibly longer next year. Stinks. Well, we'll talk that draft lottery. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app Summer is almost here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan? Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some French fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. At the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the tit. The ultimate. The all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance. While its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out, not to mention how much space and utility it provides over 75 cubic feet of cargo space, the IX is completely changing the game with an all electric suv. The greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of the game. So why would you settle for anything less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine. Electrified. Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know Degree Cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does, because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back. One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4. There's a reason it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you've never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart Target and try the OG Degree Cool Rush for yourself. Everybody loves a good MVP story. And the story of Wasabi Technologies is one of the best. Wasabi is purpose built to free businesses from skyrocketing storage costs and unpredictable egress fees from old and top heavy legacy providers. You know the big guys. Wasabi is the world's hottest cloud storage company, becoming the go to provider for professional and collegiate sports teams and leagues around the world. And here's why. From Wasabi's AI enabled intelligent media storage, Wasabi Air, to the industry's only cloud storage service with triple protection against cyber criminals, data deletion and ransomware. Wasabi has taken the lead in driving innovation in data storage, eliminating overhead where it matters to deliver you results you can count on and won't break the bank. In fact, Wasabi's up to 80% less than those other guys and doesn't charge a cent for businesses to access their own data. Wasabi another championship story. Check them out for free@wasabi.com Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage proud partner of the Volume Podcast Network. Well, you're seeing it all over America. A lack of trust in institutions. It could be the FBI, the CIA. It could be the media. It could be the White House. The default explanation in America in 2025, when you are ticked off or you can't explain something or something doesn't go your way. It could be officiating. It could be an election. It could be the draft lottery Is it's rigged? Yeah. I've got video of Dallas's draft room last night. Draft lottery room. You're going to get 12 guys to act like this for 30 seconds. There aren't this many good actors in Hollywood that would do that. Did they rig it for cruddy Atlanta last year that was also a playing team like the Mavs? Did they rig it for the New York Islanders like the Mavericks had a very small percentage to win? Yeah, it's fixed. It is fixed. Fixed so that the worst tanking teams don't win the lottery? Yes, it is fixed. Essentially, the draft lottery now is like the local raffle at your tavern where you got 15, 20 people. It's a raffle. And sometimes the same guy wins two out of four raffles. That's the way it is. By the way, when Zion Williamson out of huge brand Duke, a dunking machine was available and the Knicks had the number one pick. Yeah, they fixed it so the Pelicans would get it. Or Atlanta last year. By the way, if you're going to fix it, give Chicago or Philadelphia Cooper flag. Not football crazy Dallas. The NBA has flattened the lottery odds. Essentially a raffle, a scratch off ticket. What's that mean? No team with the worst record has won it since they did it. The NBA changed the rules to create this. Do you really think Wemby. They would say, let's say, where can we put Wemby? Let's put him in San Antonio. Yeah. The last time San Antonio had a dynasty, it killed the TV ratings for a decade. You would not pick San Antonio, believe me. In fact, some of you aren't very good at math. The three teams with the best odds to win last night, the odds were 14%. That's a raffle. Those are the best odds. If you add the three teams with the best odds together, it still doesn't reach 50%. And what's happened the last several years, the best odds has finished fifth. And that happened again last night, Utah. It is a raffle. They flattened the odds. You would not have put Wemby in San Antonio. He would not have put Zion with the Pelicans. The Pelicans have won this thing multiple times. Well, LeBron left and they gave Cleveland Andrew Wiggins. It doesn't matter if LeBron's coming or going. Nobody in any league office is rooting for Cleveland to get the best players. So it's just like this is the way it worked. This is what the NBA wanted. The NBA wanted what you're seeing with the cba. There are no more dynasties. That's what Adam Silver wanted. And with this, I mean, the crazy thing, San Antonio almost won, which is nuts. But it should be noted they also draft and develop well. So for the third year in a row, the team with the worst actual record did not win this thing. And I think Cooper Flagg in Dallas is great. I think I. I think he's exactly what they needed. But he's also exactly what every team in the league. The Lakers could use him. The Knicks are a good team. They could use him. He's Jayson Tatum. That's what he is. He's Jayson Tatum and he's got 12, 13 years, potentially a prime coming into the league. So just listen. I understand nobody trusts institutions. I get it. It's happening all over the land, right? It's FBI, CIA, vaccines. Everybody on the Internet's an expert. That's fine. It doesn't bother me. I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. I'm just telling you what I see, which is the NBA. Adam Silver said, you know what? I'm going to be friendlier to the players than David Stern. I'm going to get out of the dynasty business. And we're going to flatten these odds because tanking is really bad. Tanking is really bad for the NBA for a lot of reasons. One of the reasons it's really bad is March. College basketball is super competitive with the tournament, and March is the time in the NBA that teams tank. So you watch a college game with all that energy and then turn to an NBA game and it's like, you know, the Wizards tanking. And Adam Silver's like, this is a bad six week look for our league. So we they got $76 billion for 11 years. Okay? Now, whether NBC can make that work financially, that's up to NBC. But if you want to believe tanking and rig, go for it. I'm just saying Wemby wouldn't have been picked in San Antonio and Zion wouldn't go to the Pelicans because the Knicks had the number one pick, by the way, Utah. This is what keeps happening. Best odds, only 14%. Once again, best odds get the fifth pick. That's how raffles work. I've had raffles. I've never won a raffle. I've bought 30 tickets to a raffle with 12 people. I've never won a raffle. I have been at Raffles, had 100 bucks in my pocket and bought tickets for the whole family and not want to raffle. I don't think it's rigged. I think that's how scratch off games and raffles work. We're not going to speculate on Jason Tatum. He was having a great playoff game, totally aggressive. But I do think watching that game last night, Boston needs to look in the mirror here. I don't know what's happening with Porzingis, but the mystery illness, the injuries, the inconsistency, Cat's got his issues, so does Robinson for the Knicks, but they feel like they're more substantial. You got to look in the mirror on Joe Missoula. I thought he got worked. Al Horford's old Drew Holiday has aged very quickly. And the teams out west and Indiana out East are all getting better. And the Knicks are for real. So. And this team is strapped financially even if they just signed their first round pick. The Celtics are strapped financially and my guess is Tatum is not playing at best until the All Star Game. So this reminds me, and it's, it's one of the things about pro sports we talk about all the time, is that this, this team reminds me of Denver. So they had Jokic, they had Jamal Murray, they had a bunch of good players and one great player and Denver won the title. And I can remember saying, boy, they could be San Antonio. They got their Duncan, and then all of a sudden they had to move off some bench guys and rotational guys and you look up and you're like Denver's Denver surrounded by a bunch of good young teams and Wimby and sga and Denver's just going to get one, which is fine. Getting one is, it's, it's more than the Niners have done. It's more than Baltimore and the Bills have done in the NFL. Getting one trophy is hard, but they've got a Boston's. It's interesting. New York's for real. Indiana's got an excellent roster and may beat if they get through it, beat New York, OkC, Houston, San Antonio are going nowhere. I mean, the good news, I guess for Boston is Giannis is going west, but I would say Milwaukee is going to load up on young players. I think, I think Boston's got a Boston issue is that I think, like Denver, we looked at them and we thought, okay, this thing's going to last. Then the owner, always be careful when the owner sells, what do they see the owner sells now Tatum's hurt. Porzingis drew holiday age very quickly. And I think Joe Missoula felt like last night he really felt second, third tier, like he's kind of one golf club in the back coach. So Adam Silver, he didn't want dynasties. And you know, Boston's an example. They are up against it. Their payrolls, what, 500 million they got to move off pieces. Here was Joe Missoula on. And just add this in. It's awful, that devastating Jason Tatum injury. I mean, you're obviously always concerned about someone's health. So, you know, it's twofold. We're concerned about his health, where he's at, and then we're concerned about what we have to do better for game five when we get back to Boston. Yeah, he was playing a great basketball game. He was really aggressive. Between Brunson and, and Jason Tatum, you were getting, I was sitting there watching and I'm like, boy, this is an all time NBA playoff game. This is all time stuff. The New York crowd is fantastic. Indiana and New York crowds are nuts. They are, Jeff. The Eastern Conference doesn't have as good a players or teams. The fans are nuts in Indiana and New York. And it was one of those games where you really felt the crowd was elevating the team. But Tatum, because Pritchard wasn't playing much, Tatum was really carrying that team. They were just doing isos. And when he got a little cold, suddenly, boom. Next lead by 9sh shot making. So I, I think I, I, my guess is I look at Boston going forward. Cross your fingers on Tatum. But will they become Milwaukee, Denver, Toronto, Raptors, where you think there's more. You look up and it's like we're a one time championship team. And yet my other takeaway in this is I thought all year New York's got to take a big swing if this is how the NBA is going to allow games to be officiated. Physical teams that D up and make shots late. When New York does not need a big swing, they may need a tweak. I don't trust Robinson at the line or Cats defense. They mean it may need a big guy tweak. Bridge has been great though. Brunson's a number one. Oh gee, has been amazing. Josh Hart, excellent team player. And Tibbs is having a great series for New York. So I think it's more of a tweak for New York. You know, this, this Knicks front office for the last three years has been so patient. And all of us in the Media keep saying, get Giannis and get kd. And for years they would. But this New York Knicks front office is patient and smart and kind of tunes out the press and the media smartly. And they are a. I mean, it's. You can't watch that game last night and not. I mean, I found myself rooting for the Knicks in this series. I. You can't not root for a team that plays this hard and makes these kind of shots. I mean, it's very rare when a New York team is a lovable underdog. And they are. They're one of the great watches in the league. It's a combination of Villanova, NBA guts, guile, toughness, coaching. It's hard to turn off. By the way, are you surprised the Celtics kept leaving 38 year old Al Horford on an island against Brunson?
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Threw a double at. I was stunned. And Brunson's just cooking him left and right. He had a amazing. I just. Their offense, they just started standing around. It's like, it's like, listen, that's when you call a timeout. You've got to. You got to call a timeout, engineer a play, get a basket. Because that New York crowd, did you notice? I mean, it was like, it felt like almost if you ever go to a boxing match and there's a home fighter where obviously it's in Panama and it's a Panamanian fighter and you can tell the crowd is elevating the boxer. I mean, it was like when you go to New York and this crowd and they go on like a six nothing run, timeout, call a play, get a bucket. Because that crowd was jet fuel for the Knicks.
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No, it's Jason Tatum. No, he played great last night. He played great. He's a great series. He's had a good series. He had a great night. A good series. A great night. He was tremendous last night. Cross our fingers on that. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio. Maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Kobe no.1 rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Summer is almost here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some French fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. At the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate. The all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance. While its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out. Not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space. The IX is completely changing the game with an all electric suv. The greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of the game. So why would you settle for anything less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine. Electrified. Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up to them is the right thing to do. So you know Degree Cool Rush deodorant, right? Well, last year they changed the formula and it did not go over well with their fans. So Degree's whole thing is it turns up the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does, because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring the original formula back. One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened. They admitted they effed up. They're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. 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Wasabi has taken the lead in driving innovation in data storage, eliminating overhead where it matters to deliver you results you can count on and won't break the bank. In fact, Wasabi is up to 80% less than those other guys and doesn't charge a cent for businesses to access their own data. Wasabi Another championship story. Check them out for free@wasabi.com Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage. Proud partner of the Volume Podcast Network. Well, there's no basketball coach ever. You know, I'm reading the accolades. The most wins by any head basketball coach in men's basketball history. That's pretty good. That seems like that'd be. That'd be near the top of my resume. Five natties, 42 years at Duke. The gold standard program. 24, 0. As an Olympic coach and now a public speaker with grandkids in the area. What a life for Mike Krzyzewski, who's now joining us live. You know, you told me years ago you said, colin, I start recruiting guys six to seven years before you. You see me sign them. So let's talk Cooper flag. Basketball is a very unique sport where you can see at 10, 11, 12, 13, you can see special. Do you remember the first time you saw Cooper flag?
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You know, I do not because I'm three years retired. So Shire must have seen him when he was 14, but I did see him when he was at Mount Verde. Like they have actually they have four from his high school team. They have four kids are going to be first round draft picks. And I knew he was special, but because they had so much talent, I didn't realize how special he is. And this kid plays every play hard. Yes, every play. Every play.
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People have compared him, I think almost favorably to Jayson Tatum. When I watch him, he feels a little more aggressive than Jason. He's an aggressive attacking player. Do you think that comp is fair and realistic?
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I don't. I think they're two different players. They're both 6, 8. Actually, I think Cooper grew about an inch here. You know, he's still only 18 years old, so he's still growing. He might end up being 6, 10. But I think offensively, you know, Jason really has developed into a great shooter. We're waiting to find out about his injury, but he's really developed differently than I think Cooper will develop. Cooper is just unique, you know, like he, he's, he's so strong, his legs are so strong. And athletically he's gifted. But attitudinally, when you add his athletic ability and his competitive attitude, you have a very special guy and he can really score the ball. I think he's a good shooter, trying to become a really good shooter. Whereas Jason, Jason is that shooter.
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I read Ian o' Connor's book about you, which I thought was fascinating on so many levels. And, and it's so funny. John Wooden and you, you know, you're obviously the all time greats, but John Wooden, it took a long time for him to win at ucla. And as Ian o' Connor pointed out, there was a meeting or two about Mike Krzyzewski and about your fourth year and people are like, we don't know if this kid from army is going to work. You endured for a lot of reasons. You're smart, you're collaborative, you are a Grinder. There's a lot of reasons, but when I look at college basketball today, do you like the place we're in? Tom Izzo's a survivor, but a lot of the big ones have left. Sometimes college football, I think, is too impatient. Do you think college basketball is good to coaches? Because the NBA, I could argue, is not a great place to coach. Is college basketball today, Actually, I think.
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The NBA is a better place to coach. I think college basketball now is pretty much like the NBA, except there's no transparency. In other words, you're at one school, I'm at another. I don't know what you're doing for a player. You don't know what I'm doing for a player. And it's really professional right now. Or college basketball. But the product is outstanding. And kids are staying longer because of nil. You're getting older teams, the influx of international, young, international pro players to college. You can win quicker in college now. And there's like, John Shire has done a great job here at Duke replacing me. And I've told him, I said, I think you've done a better job than I would have done in the last three years with all the changes. Because I would have always been saying stuff. Well, it used to be this way, it used to be that way. And for you, you're just starting out. It wasn't used to be. It is. And right now I just think people should put their arms around college sports, especially college basketball, in my opinion, and run it like a business, because it is a business. And the product is great. Though there's so much talent out there.
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You know, there's an argument people have made. I don't know if I concur with it, but it's an interesting argument that J.J. redick is smart. He's very tightly wound. That in the NBA and big games, he kind of. He's a teeth clencher a little bit. He's very, very intense. And in the NBA as a coach, he was very intense. And people say, boy, it's not about that. It's. It's more Steve Kerr. You got to be part psychologist, part schematic guy, that maybe JJ is. Is just too intense. It. When you watch. I mean, and listen, that's a good quality to have. What do you make? I mean, you were intense. I watched you write officials for several years. What do you make of those discussions about JJ that maybe he's wound a little tight?
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No. You know, he wants to win, and his preparation to win is outstanding. You know, there's A learning curve in every profession. I thought he had a great, great season and his players, he won over his players. His players know how hard he works and he was a terrific player. He, you know, I think he's, he's learned a lot from this year. You know, he'll critique himself and have, you know, he has a veteran staff where those guys will take a look at what they did and how they were doing it and make adjustments going in into next year. But he had a great, he had a great first year and they played a team in the first round that was deeper and more athletic.
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Yes.
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And the NBA has gotten more physical, which I think is good, but it's really physical in the playoffs. And that lent itself to. Given the Timberwolves a little bit more of an advantage. And they're a good team. You know, they, they're really good team.
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You, Steve Kerr, Mark Few, Bayheim, you guys all have done a very good job coaching professional players as college coaches. Obviously Kerr played at Arizona, but he's a pro coach and is there coaching. Is coaching at Duke because you have so many pro players is a little NBA ish. Yeah, it is, it is, it is. Do you think. Did you ever take anything from the pros and bring it back to Duke to help you?
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Oh, yeah. You know, I coached US team for 11 years in three Olympics and two World Championships. And I brought back a lot, you know, you know, the sports science, you know, how guys prepared. Yeah. Language. Not cussing in that, but different. Although probably picked up a few words there too. No, just how they. Their defensive coverages, you know, but they're, you know, con. One of the main things is how hard they prepared and the excellent shape they kept themselves in. And I brought that back where we really increased our sports medicine science and, and. But it also helped me X and O wise. You know, I, I had Jim Boeheim was with me all 11 years, but I had Monty Williams and Thibodeau. You know, these guys who are, you know, terrific pro coaches. And, and I learned a lot from them, but I learned from the players because the really, you know, these are great players. Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, all these guys, they, they really understand the game. People don't realize how smart they are and how much preparation that they give. So those were 11amazing years for. For me and I was very lucky to have that opportunity.
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You know, Christian Laitner was so dominant when he played and he was part of that Kentucky win. You I just. Years and years ago, maybe it was Jay Billis was Sharing a story about the first time you had seen LeBron and he took two steps at half court and dunked it. And you turned to Billis, what in the world am I watching? Go back to your college career. I'm going to test your memory. Was there a moment when you obviously coached your team hard, but you allowed players to go off script? A Grant Hill players. Was there ever a moment in college you went back and you turned to an assistant and you're like, this player is better than I thought he would be. This, like you were actually as a coach, you turned on assistant and said, I never imagined he would be this good. This. This player. Yeah.
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No. A number of times I can remember when we had Bobby Hurley.
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Yep.
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And Bobby was as good a point guard that ever played in college. And one practice he's playing defense, and I looked to Tommy Amaker, who was one of my assistants then, and I said, I've never seen anybody play that hard. And then at times with Grant Hale, you know, if Grant Hill had not been injured five years since his pro career, he would have ended up being one of the top 10 players of all time. But he was very humble. And there are times at timeouts I would say, you know, every four minutes, I'd say, okay, every time you touch the ball, you. I don't want you to pass it. I just want you to do whatever you want with it. He said, what do you mean? I said, no, just do something where someone says, you know, how did Coach K teach you how to do that? No, I'm not lying. I mean, this is true. And because they're players, there's certain players that you, you have to be careful not to over coach. You have to give them the room to become what their talent can show. And, you know, Zion was. Was that, you know, really, even though he. He's an outstanding athlete, but he wasn't that. Like those two guys, Zion and Grant Battier was like that. He was very humble, too.
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Yeah.
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And let's say. Come on, man, you know, let it out. You know, let it out. Like we were talking about JJ earlier. JJ Did Colin. He did some stuff that I. I could not imagine, you know, in hostel arenas, you know, guys were pulling on his shirt, he was trying to run them into the ground. And he enjoyed putting up 40 on the road. Or 38 or 36.
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Yeah, he was.
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He was so damn cocky and good. I. No, he. He really was. I, I love my plays. Worked better with, I'll tell you that.
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Yeah, that's what Nick Saban says, yeah, it always plays better when I get a great pass rush from a five star guy. Yeah. Finally I. There's a lot of reasons I like Nil. One of the reasons I like it is because I like kids having a little money before they have a lot of money because a lot of athletes don't have it. So I like a guy having a couple hundred thousand and maybe blowing it on a, you know, close and before he gets 20 million. And I do think it's instructive that before you get, you know, it used to be no money college, you make a fortune. And I think that's tough on anybody regardless of your background. Is have you found there are some things with Nil that, that, that I think it's keeping more kids in college. I like college basketball over G League. I like that. But are there things about Nil beyond just a kid making money that you think are instructive or you like about it?
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Well, it is what it is and so we should put our arms around it and figure out how to make it the very, very best. I will say that. What one of the things you just mentioned, it's not right with all, all these kids where you make a lot of money now and then you're going to make a lot of money later. Most of the kids remember there's, there's not as many are going to make it into the NBA, are going to be making more money in college than they will after college.
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Wow.
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And that's the thing, I mean their kids make. There are a lot of kids making seven figures now. Not all. If you counted all those kids up around the country making a half a million to 3 or 4 million depending on the school. And there are a lot of kids and they're, you know, what's the lottery got? 14 guys. The first round has 30 picks.
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Yeah.
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And so they're going to be guys who. There are kids now. There are kids that have not been invited to the combine who were making seven figures last year in college.
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Wow.
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You know, so you're gonna have to deal with that. However, if they're smart, they have a right to make that money just so they use it wisely and they're able to transition to the next phase of their playing career. You know the guys who are lottery picks that they don't. That's the normal thing. Yeah, that's the normal thing. But it's all changed, Colin. It's changed. It doesn't mean that it's bad. It just means that we have to get better Control over it and make sure that these kids are well taken care of. Right now, if you're a college coach at a high level program, you're dealing more with agents than you are with coaches, and that's why you have general managers. And yeah, it's run like a professional team, except there are no contracts, which that might change depending on where the hell this all is going. But it's just in a state of flux right now. But God bless, the kids should make as much as they can. They should transfer just like any other student whenever they want. But that's going to run out. And hopefully when it runs out in college, they're able to go to a level of playing basketball that is really good for him.
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Coach K, 42 years Ambassador now in the speaking circuit. Love to hear some of his stories. Nobody's ever won more basketball games in men's basketball, and that is saying something. There's been unbelievable coaches. You can turn the TV on every night. It can be Rick Carlisle or Chris Finch. There are great coaches everywhere. My buddy, Tom Izzo. Basketball's got great coaches everywhere. And you're at the very top of that, coach. And I appreciate you stopping by.
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Yeah, no, I've always enjoyed being on. And thanks for not, you know, not forgetting me. You know, like that was, you know, I don't even know why I said that. I shouldn't have said that.
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I liked it.
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Erase that. Erase that. You're capable of doing anything. Erase that.
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It'll just go right into the ether. Nobody heard it but you and me. That's it. That's the only people that heard it.
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All right.
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All right. Good seeing you.
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Thanks for having me out.
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You bet. The great Mike Krzyzewski. Yeah, it's, I mean, like, I think what it took Mike a couple years to embrace one and done. But I think with Nil, you can complain about stuff like Rick Carla or Rick Patino said, you can complain about stuff or you can embrace it and try to figure it out. It's like anything. I mean, I almost look at Nil as a new tax code. All right. Got a new tax code. An accountant's job is to figure out how to use it best for his clients. I mean, in the end, you can. You know, I don't like what it is it. By the way, every year the wild, wild west will get a little less wild and everybody will get their arms around it and we're going to be okay. Nick Wright, Coach K. Good guest today as I get ready to get on a plane with a few others and head to a beautiful city. Some of us are staying behind. Others are taking the big swing. Okay, have you heard about this? Last year, Degree changed the formula for their Cool Rush deodorant and their fans rebelled and wanted the old scent back. And Degree listens. That doesn't happen often. They admitted they effed up and they're bringing back the original Cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. There's a reason it's the number one men's antiperspirant and it's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under four bucks. So try and see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart or Target to try the OG Degree Cool Rush for yourself. Interested in investing in Bitcoin but not sure how to get started? Well, with the Gemini Credit card, you can dip your toes into Bitcoin without even trying. Just spend like you normally do groceries, gas or night out and instantly earn up to 4% back in Bitcoin or one of over 50 other cryptos straight to your account with no annual fee. The Gemini Credit card is pretty much a no brainer. And right now you can grab a $200 bitcoin intro bonus. So go to gemini.comcard to learn more and start earning today. Terms apply. Again go to gemini.com card start building your Bitcoin stash now. Terms apply. The Gemini Credit Card is issued by Web bank in order to Qualify for the Intro 200 crypto bonus, your application must be approved by June 30, 2025 and spend $3,000 in your first 90 days. Terms apply. Some exclusions apply to instant rewards, in which rewards are deposited when the transaction posts this content is not investment advice and trading. Crypto involves risk. For more details on rates, fees and other Gemini Credit Card terms, see Rates and fees. Looking to transform your business through better HR and payroll? Meet Paycor, a Paychex company. The powerhouse solution that empowers leaders to drive results. From recruiting and development to payroll and analytics, paycor connects you with the people, data and expertise you need to succeed. Their innovative platform helps you make smarter decisions about your most valuable asset, your people. Are you ready to become a Better Leader? Visit paycor.com leaders to learn more. That's paycor.com leaders it's true that some.
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