Best of The Herd

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – Best of The Herd Release Date: August 8, 2025
Host: Doug Gottlieb (filling in for Colin Cowherd)
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Introduction

In this episode of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd," Doug Gottlieb steps in as the host to guide listeners through a comprehensive discussion of the top sports stories of the day. Skipping over the advertisements and intros, Gottlieb delves deep into pressing topics ranging from NFL contract negotiations to the evolving landscape of college football. The episode also features insightful guest appearances, particularly focusing on the intricacies of college football coaching and team dynamics.

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Micah Parsons and Dallas Cowboys Contract Negotiations

Timestamp: 02:33 – 09:24

Gottlieb opens the discussion with a detailed analysis of Micah Parsons, the star player of the Dallas Cowboys, and the contentious contract negotiations surrounding him. He provides a candid assessment of Parsons' situation, emphasizing the limited options available to both the player and the team.

Key Points:

• Contract Dilemma: Parsons is navigating the end of his current contract with limited choices, primarily negotiating a long-term extension or remaining under the franchise tag.
• Team’s Position: Gottlieb argues that the Cowboys have no intention of letting Parsons become a free agent, highlighting the mutual benefits and punitive aspects of the current contractual arrangements.
• Player’s Stance: Contrary to media speculation, Parsons is not holding out but is instead expressing a desire to be traded.
• Organizational Commitment: The Cowboys are portrayed as fully invested in Parsons, with Gottlieb dismissing any notion within the organization that they desire his failure.

Notable Quotes:

• "He's one of the brightest people I've ever been around and he's very, very talented." (09:22)
• "He is under contract and he's not a free agent." (07:45)
• "The Cowboys choose to not negotiate at all with Micah Parsons for the next three seasons, he's a Dallas Cowboy." (08:15)

Gottlieb also critiques Mike Parsons' decision to start a podcast, questioning the maturity and expertise required to handle such endeavors effectively.

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Preseason NFL Games and Player Evaluations: Focus on Shador Sanders

Timestamp: 09:25 – 26:57

Transitioning from the NFL contract saga, Gottlieb shifts focus to the preseason games, particularly spotlighting Shador Sanders, the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.

Key Points:

• Shador Sanders' Performance: Gottlieb discusses Sanders' preparedness and the extensive training regimen he underwent, including training with Tom Brady.
• Team Dynamics: The Browns aim to simplify plays during preseason to evaluate Sanders without the pressure of complex strategies.
• Organizational Support: Emphasizing that the Browns organization is committed to Sanders, Gottlieb dismisses any internal desire for his failure.
• Comparative Analysis: He draws parallels between NFL and college football, highlighting differences in contract structures and player negotiations.

Notable Quotes:

• "The sale of Shador Sanders is that this is what his entire career was built upon." (23:07)
• "The Cowboys have to slap on the franchise tag, which they will do if there's no contract agreed to at the end of the year." (08:45)
• "He's built for have continual contract negotiations going on." (12:30)

Gottlieb provides a nuanced view of the preseason's role in player evaluation, asserting that preseason games are not definitive measures of a player's future success but rather opportunities for teams to assess readiness and fit within their systems.

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Insights into College Football: Coaching Changes and Team Expectations

Timestamp: 26:58 – 51:32

The conversation pivots to college football, where Gottlieb provides a critical analysis of coaching changes, team rebuilding efforts, and the unrealistic expectations placed on collegiate programs.

Key Points:

• Coaching Stability: Highlighting the high turnover rate in college football coaching positions, Gottlieb emphasizes the challenges new coaches face in rebuilding teams.
• Case Studies:
  • Arch Manning at Texas: Gottlieb questions the longevity and performance expectations for Arch Manning, drawing comparisons to high-profile athletic families and their impact on team performance.
  • Barry Odom at Purdue: Discussing Odom’s massive roster turnover, Gottlieb underscores the difficulty in predicting team performance amidst significant changes.
  • James Franklin at Penn State: Gottlieb expresses high expectations for Franklin, noting the program's potential to leverage his experience and leadership to achieve championship success.

Notable Quotes:

• "There's a lot of number one picks who stink first time." (37:30)
• "Arch Manning talking about that chief among them, his thought process...because of what his last name is." (41:12)
• "They're built to win. And they have addressed that emphatically." (46:24)

Gottlieb critiques the often optimistic preseason narratives, urging listeners to adopt a more measured and realistic approach to evaluating college football teams' potentials.

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Guest Segment: Josh Pate on College Football Predictions

Timestamp: 51:18 – 51:32

Bringing in expert insights, Gottlieb invites Josh Pate, the host of "College Football Show," to discuss the unpredictable nature of college football and the pitfalls of preseason predictions.

Key Points:

• Unpredictability: Pate echoes Gottlieb’s sentiments on the inherent uncertainties in college football, especially with extensive roster and coaching changes.
• Season Expectations: Both agree that while high expectations are fair, the dynamic nature of the sport means that outcomes are often unforeseeable.

Notable Quotes:

• "This has got to be the year." (51:00)
• "James Franklin could do that forever up there, but there probably is a window to win a championship." (51:30)

The segment reinforces the theme that both NFL and college football are rife with unpredictability, making it essential for fans and analysts alike to remain adaptable and critical of overhyped narratives.

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Conclusion

Doug Gottlieb wraps up the episode by reiterating the importance of realistic expectations in sports, whether analyzing NFL contracts or forecasting college football seasons. He emphasizes the need for adaptability in discussions and predictions, acknowledging the ever-evolving nature of sports dynamics.

Closing Remarks:

• Encouragement to listeners to stay informed and critically engage with sports narratives.
• Teasers for future topics, including upcoming guest appearances and continuing analysis of ongoing sports stories.

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Notable Advertisements and Promotions Skipped

• Promotions for other podcasts like "No Such Thing," "Latino USA," and "Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre."
• Advertisements for products such as "washablesofas.com" and "Hill's Pet Nutrition."
• Announcements about Katie Couric’s Substack venture and other podcast features.

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Overall Insights and Takeaways

• Contract Negotiations: The NFL's contractual structures can significantly impact star players' career trajectories and team strategies.
• Preseason Games: While essential for player evaluation, preseason performances should not be overemphasized in predicting regular-season success.
• Coaching Changes in College Football: High turnover rates necessitate a deeper understanding of each coach’s philosophy and adaptability to truly gauge team potential.
• Unpredictable Nature of Sports: Both NFL and college football are highly dynamic, requiring fans and analysts to maintain flexibility in their expectations and analyses.

This episode of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" offers a thorough exploration of complex sports topics, blending expert analysis with candid opinions, making it a valuable listen for sports enthusiasts seeking depth and clarity in their understanding of ongoing sports narratives.

Transcript

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[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Noah]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

This is the best of the her. Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio.

[Noah]

What up? Welcome in. This is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin Cowherd. And for the next couple of hours, I wanna talk sports with you. It's a Friday, and I don't know how to say this without getting exc. It. It's a football friend. We had NFL teams with Joe Burrow starting a quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals last night. Right. We had NFL teams playing NFL preseason games and actually playing some of their guys last night. We'll have some of that tonight. So. And by the end of the weekend, every team will have had a preseason game and we can make all of our predictions and assessments based upon. We don't really know. Right. One's playing against fours and whatever. And while either crown Shador Sanders the starter and franchise quarterback with the Cleveland Browns, or we're going to say he's a bum and he stinks by the end of the weekend and it may not actually matter to how he. How he plays. That's preseason football. That's football. Mark Dominic, who's a former general manager of the Tampa Buccaneers, he'll join us upcoming in 15 minutes. This is a weird way of presenting this story, but I do think it's the only way of presenting this story is. And I understand it's a contradictory way of talking about it, but it's the way in which I do feel like we should all talk about it, which is I don't care about Michael Parsons. Not that I don't care about him as a person. My. My care about him as a person is fairly limited. Let's just kind of be honest. We're not friends. Doesn't mean we're enemies, but I don't actually care. He's a great football player, seems to be a bright enough guy. And who am I as a head basketball coach in Division 1 and also a radio show host on the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio? Who am I to be critical of him having a podcast? But I don't think the podcast is the best idea for him, mostly because at his age, he still has what I would call. It's not. Not that his opinions aren't developed, but partly they're not really developed. Also just doesn't have. Like when you're in your mid-20s, there's a lot you don't know, especially when you grew up. It's not like you grew up stat nerd, studying every other sport and every other thing. So when he's talking about football, he knows a lot. When he's talking about other stuff, he doesn't really know very much. And all he knows is during his lifespan. Right. Which may be interesting to you, but there are far. There are so many pitfalls in talking about your team and talking about the Cowboys, especially when you're going through struggles. It may not be that smart, but this is not like a personal shot at Mike Parsons. I don't care a ton because he's going to be a Cowboy. There's this. We do this thing, we do this dance. Not just with the Cowboys, we do this dance every year. We're like, wow, you know, he could be a free agent at the end of the year, huh? Did we not review how the contracts, the rookie contracts are structured in the NFL? And as a high first round pick, this is year five where the year five option is a big payday again in comparison to the rest of the contract. And though there doesn't appear to be any contract beyond this year, the fact is that all the Cowboys have to do is slap on the franchise tag, which they will do if there's no contract agreed to at the end of the year. And he has basically one choice. That's the play for the two choices. Negotiate a long term extension with the Cowboys or play for the Cowboys as a franchise tagee, which is a big number, but it doesn't have long term benefits for either side. And like, well, what would the long term benefits for a football team be? Well, gives them cost certainty and it also helps them with the luxury tax, where it's not luxury tax, with the, with the, with a salary cap where they can't manipulate it and do some signing bonus and push them away. And that's the benefit. So it is, it's mutually beneficial, it's mutually punitive. But the one thing I can tell you is that if the Cowboys choose to not negotiate at all with Micah Parsons for the next three seasons, he's a Dallas Cowboy. After this year, you're like, what? Yeah. And most football fans sitting there going like, I know this, Gottlieb. I tuned in to hear Cowherd. Cowherd's not there. He's in Chicago or Rhode island or parts unknown that he will probably tweet about later on today. And oh yeah, by the way, you're telling me something I already knew. But again, you have to reiterate it. He is under contract and he's not a free agent. At the end of the year, the Cowboys don't want him to be a free agent. There's no reason for them to want him to be a free agent. And then you factor in it's the Dallas Cowboy, it's Cowboys and it's, it's. Did you guys ever get caught up in the Law and Order? And some people did a Special Victims Unit. Everybody had a Law and order. What I loved about the Law and Orders was that it's just kind of self contained. There's no like ongoing storyline for the most part. What I disliked about the Law and Orders, at some point you kind of know who it is. And they do come up with new and clever ways in which to point out the who actually done it. You know, the storylines are kind of the I, I'm based upon a true story, but it ends up coming to be where you like. Yeah, you figure it out about 3/4 the way in how many years have we done this? Just last year. Dak Prescott CD Lam Zach Martin. I mean you can go to Ezekiel Elliott in that year and then, you know, Zeke, who this is, it's like classic Dallas Cowboys playbook. And Jerry always gives in. Jerry's gonna pay him a bunch of money. Jerry thinks they had a deal done. My guess is that they had a deal done. And then the agent, David Mugeta is like, wait, you did a deal without me? And so he wants, you know, more money as some sort of punishment. They're like, we agreed to a term, we're good.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Like.

[Noah]

It eventually get done. He's not even holding out. Nor is he gonna hold out because he doesn't want to get fined and he doesn't want to lose this payday or this year. He's not sitting as not threatening to sit out. He simply is like, I want to be traded. Sure. Now could the Cowboys trade him? Yeah, I mean you could sit there and go, hey, we're not particularly good with or without him, so why not trade him for a couple two first round picks and then be done with it, Move on. They could do that. I just don't think they will drafted Micah Parsons. They like Micah Parsons. He works there. He's been, you know, last year was a different defensive system than previously and it took some adjustment and they're not great. But he's going to be a Cowboy. And the only reason he wouldn't be a Cowboys if the Cowboys decided he didn't need to be a Cowboy anymore. And they're clearly not at that point. Otherwise they Wouldn't have negotiated a deal. So I, I have talked for seven minutes and three seconds on a topic that you do feel compelled to circle back to. Dallas Cowboys Micah Parsons star player and the hold in and the story I'm going to tell you or my perception of it is he's going to be a Cowboy, he's going to sign a long term extension and I feel like we keep getting roped into the same storyline year after year, time after time. It's tiresome. Made even worse by the fact that we get this fake oh you could be he's a free agent at the end of the year when he's not a free agent. Means you're free, means you contracts up however you want and he will not be a free agent. He could be you come restricted free agent, right? Or he's under club control until otherwise he's not a free agent that deal. And, and just so you know, like I don't know why people know this. Media deals are much the same. Most media deals when you sign on with a media company even though your contract is up, they do have right of first refusal. They can match anything and they can keep you under contract at that, at that price if you go somewhere else really unless they release you and allow you out of it. And a lot of people, a lot of people I know in the business world have that, you know, non compete clauses and whatever. But for football, this is not like the NBA where your contract is up and you're done. There's no, it's not a player option, it's not a team option. I guess you could call it a team option and team option at franchise tag. But then you can still negotiate a long term deal during any one of those years. But don't get it twisted. You have a tremendous player who's still not in his prime who's under contract this year and realistically under contract for the next three years after this year if the Cowboys don't want to negotiate at all, he's not holding out, he's in, he's doing the I got a back injury so he doesn't get fined. They came to some sort of agreement that then the agent lost his mind because he wasn't involved in the negotiation rightfully so. And by the end of, I don't know, next two weeks Michael Parsons be playing for the Cowboys. It's not a nothing burger, but I've seen this movie, I know how it ends. Seen this movie, I know how it ends. Here's Jerry Jones this week on the Parsons negotiations. Thank the world of Micah. Like I've said, I've had a lot of had social time with Micah, which isn't always the case, but I have. He's one of the brightest people I've ever been around and he's very, very talented. Now, how we ultimately melt him in with our future is a challenge and I'm built for it. And he's built for have continual contract negotiations going on. I know you have Mike at front of mind, but we're continually working on contracts and all clubs are. And so I don't necessarily put a big red letter beside any time that we've completed contract negotiations, but I'm appreciative when we do so. But it's really business as usual. So if it's business as usual, what are we, what are we actually doing? Why isn't this done? Coming up next in the Herd, I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Is the Parsons deal inevitable? And I don't know if you guys saw Anthony Richardson dislocated a pinky last night. Didn't play particularly well. We'll ask Mark Dominic is in the time for the Colts to kind of cut bait. That's next in the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning on my podcast Straight fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod, pushing the same tired narratives down your throat every day. Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at the Sportsbook and all the best guests. Do yourself a favor and listen to Straight fire with Jason McIntyre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Noah de Barrasso]

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[Manny]

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[Manny]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Manny]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

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[Noah]

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[Manny]

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[Noah]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

Who cares about truth when the lie is more entertaining?

[Noah de Barrasso]

Hey, everybody, I'm Angela Rai, co host of Native Lampa with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum. Through the lens of politics and culture, we talk with you every week to make sense of this madness. I've been telling Angela, I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves.

[Doug Gottlieb]

That's the truth. We're having the same debates that American.

[Noah]

Households are having all over the country.

[Noah de Barrasso]

Rest is certainly a form of self care, but if you are watching your full neighbors starve, not be able to pay bills, your rest is selfish. But the thing is, Angela, this is not the mess we created. So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know what, y' all got it.

[Noah]

We're like family, but we disagree all the time.

[Doug Gottlieb]

All the time.

[Noah]

And we love when our listeners chime in.

[Noah de Barrasso]

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[Doug Gottlieb]

All.

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[Manny]

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[Noah]

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[Noah]

What up? Welcome in. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day, thanks so much. I'm Doug Gotti in for Colin Cowherd, and for the next two hours, I want to talk sports with you. From Santa Clarita to Temecula to Escondido, all the way down to Poway. We might even work on baseball. Maybe. Maybe. I mean, did you guys see Paul Skeens yesterday? Did anybody follow this Paul Skeens who was the number one overall pick two years ago for the Pirates who stink first time, okay? And I think 47 starts hit allowed, seven hits. You're like, wow, still shut out the Reds. Still shut out the Reds. He is so good. Like, the juxtaposition of how good Skeens is and how bad the Pirates are is really remarkable. It's. Can you imagine? Yeah, I can, actually. I remember Michael Jordan when he first came to the Bulls. You know, it's like, that doesn't mean he's Michael Jordan. It's the. Now you have people who look back and they're like, jordan didn't win anything without Scott Pippen. Okay? Either state that you were alive when Jordan dominated the NBA and you choose to change what it was actually like, or you weren't alive. You didn't Know, and so you're just repeating what stupid people say because Scottie Pippen played when they kept getting beat by the Pistons. And they would punk Michael Jordan. They would punk Scottie Pippen. He had a migraine. Scotty was a great number two. Really good, really good player. Let, Let. Let's not act like it's not like he was anywhere near the stratosphere of a Michael Jordan, you know, not close. Yeah. Jordan had to evolve, learn to pass some, put in a different offense when the double teams has come, learn to trust his team. And part of it was teams weren't very good, and then they grew and got better. But people say dumb stuff all the time. And, you know, you could say like, well, Paul Skeins baseball. Baseball somehow is the only sport which you can be awesome and your teams be stinky. And people like, yeah, you know, I do have a Paul Skeens thing to get to a little bit later on the show. But let's start with Shador Sanders, who is going to get the start for the Browns in their preseason opener tonight. Here's Kevin Stefanski as head coach on Chador.

[Doug Gottlieb]

My expectations for Shador are no different.

[Noah]

Than the rest of the guys. We expect them to go operate. It's.

[Doug Gottlieb]

When you get in these preseason games, you try to keep it very simple so guys can play fast.

[Noah]

All concepts that our players know and can kind of not think.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Think too much and just play ball. Yeah.

[Noah]

And just play ball. Now, the sale of Shador Sanders is that this is what his entire career was built upon. Right. Or built built in readiness for. He trained with Tom Brady. He started at Jackson State and kind of built up so he has the volume of reps. Four years as a starter, two years in one double A and, and two years in. In the Big 12 or one year in the pack and one year in the Big 12. And he's got a lot of starts under his belt and he's studied with the best, and so he's ready. And so none of this stuff is. Is hard for him. But I, I just. There is no middle.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Right.

[Noah]

Because the likelihood is you'll watch him. I'm like, oh, there's some good because he's not terrible. And there's some things like, yeah, you got to clean it up. He's not a great athlete, but he's not a bad athlete. You know, he's got really good touch. Very accurate. Not really. It doesn't really have a laser outside the numbers, but there's. There's a, there's a lot there and there's some stuff missing and maybe it gets exposed tonight, maybe it doesn't, but it will. I mean, we all know how this works. It will be all or nothing. It will be the Browns need to just drop everything and start Shador Sanders or this is a joke. His dad, you know, pushed him to a level above his level of competency. Why are we talking about the first round? It's a big night for Mel Kuiper Jr. Not going to lie to you. Like, Mel almost put down his entire like reputation are like, what is going on? Which by the way, just shows I love Mel. Mel is always a gentleman to work with. But a lot of the people that he used to have an in with in the NFL, they've aged out. And anyone who's been in the NFL now knows that Jordan Sanders was a clown in the interviews. Now what? What does that matter? Well, no one else was a clown, right? It's job interview. You're gonna clown job interview. So. And it's not like he's the perfect prospect. He's not bad. But let's not act like he's Josh Allen. And even Josh Allen, who was flawed coming out of college, didn't act or behave the way that Stuart Sanders is reported to have acted. But this is we were told, hey, he's trained with Brady. His mental game is far ahead of everybody else. He's playing the preseason. He's not gonna see a bunch of exotic stuff. And he's a gamer, he's clutch. It's legendary. Okay. To anyone who says, ah, they're, they're setting him up for failure. Do you think you have a better chance of succeeding in the NFL in a preseason game playing with. Because I don't think you'll play with many starters but playing with ones and twos or playing with threes and fours and fives. What do you think? Right. There's a reason the end of end of preseason games can just look raggedy. Because you have dudes that aren't going to be in the NFL this year. Who would you rather have blocking for him? The second string left tackle or the fourth string left tackle? Don't believe me? Here's Mark Dominic, former general manager in the, in the NFL with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I asked him last hour about the what's the chances that the Tampa Buccaneers want to see him? Excuse me. That the Cleveland Browns Mark was the general manager of the Tampa Buccaneers. That the Cleveland Browns want to see Shador fail?

[Doug Gottlieb]

No one such a guy up to fail. I mean there's internally, as an organization, the last thing you're ever going to do is like, I can't wait to get this guy out there. So he falls on his face. Like, no one thinks that way, especially with the draft pick. And I know it's Shador Sanders and people are like, oh, this is, you know, look, they already drafted a quarterback and they traded up to make sure they got the next quarterback. They want him to be successful desperately. The problem is what you said, that there's been a lot of injuries and he's found a way to get healthier faster than all the other guys. And, you know, there's a great opportunity. You know, it doesn't, you know, there's no way anyone in Cleveland in that organization's like, let's put Shador out there. So he looks terrible and he fails. No one's thinking that.

[Noah]

Agreed. Agreed. Now, what does success and what does failure look like? Right. Like he'll be able to GE under center and throw a football. This is a lot like the discussion with so many guys, well, I can't roll the deep ball. Well, it doesn't mean you can't throw the ball deep down the field, but can you throw a deep out? You know, can you be on the move and throw something where it's not a hospital ball, where you're going to get your guy put in the hospital and, and forgive me, you know, dog pound since 1969 on Twitter. But what Kevin Stefanski thinks is what's really important. So I am, I'm interested. And he said we wanted to play fast. We don't want to think much. We're gonna do simple stuff, just be simple. The other thing about being a starter is easy. Easier to script plays, script them. So you come in, get right after him, you're going to look better than you probably are. I have no idea if Shador Sanders is a starting caliber quarterback in the NFL. Neither do you. You know, because we could sit there and go, hey, well, you know, he. This level of completion percentage. Yeah, but a lot of it was dink and dump or throwing to the best player in college football. They did have an outstanding wide receiving core. He holds on the ball a little bit long and it was made, it was acerbate. Exacerbated by the fact that he had a porous offensive line. But let's not act like we're sitting there breaking down film and see the all 22 and we know we're looking at thought he's a good college quarterback. Thought he got away with some stuff because, you know, he had the ball a lot. And remember, this is also the first game he's going to play where his dad's not his head coach. Think about that for a second, right? First game you're gonna play, it's in the NFL. You're a preseason starter and it's the first time you look over there and Pops doesn't have the headset on like his dad coached him in Peewee. So I don't know if he's any good. I think he's okay. I think he's fine. I think he's accurate. I don't think he's got a great arm and I don't think he's a great athlete. But the Cleveland Browns absolutely want to see him succeed because if they can, they'll have a quarterback really cheap for a couple of years and have a chance to rebuild this franchise when they overspent on an absolute waste of time into Sean Watson. But just because you want him to be a guy or you want Dylan Gabriel but doesn't mean it happens. But I can't guarantee much, but they don't want to see him fail. There are people that want to see him fail. I don't think they're members of the Cleveland Browns organization. Coming up next in the herd is Arch Manning, a lock for two more years at Texas. The man who knows or will say something with supreme confidence where you think he knows joins us next in the hurt one more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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Doug Alibin for Colin. This is the Hurt Fox Sports radio on the iHeartradio app. Let's talk some college football. Josh Pate joins us. He's got the Josh Pate's College Football Show. If you don't watch him on YouTube, if you don't know about his show, do yourself favor Google and you can just indulge just like, oh, here we go. I'm ready, Josh. You know, I. Part of this is watching last year and some of the surprising finishes in some of the conferences. Some of it is being a college basketball coach myself, and some of it is just kind of being an observer of college sports. But I'm of the opinion no one really knows what they have. And so a lot of these preseason predictions, sort of wasteful, right?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Are you in the same boat?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, man. Well, first off, hey, it's nice to talk to you on this Friday. I was, I, I always thought this okay, about college football. It's always kind of been that way. But let me just give you one extreme, off the charts anecdote to hammer home your point. Barry Odom just took over the Purdue job. All right. Barry Odom had a good year last year at unlv. Purdue was terrible. He takes over the Purdue job now. You know, in football, it used to take a minimum of what, two, probably three years to turn over your roster. Barry's going to have 105 scholarship players in fall. 83 of them are new. Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia, I think 70 or 71 of his 105 are going to be new, like they were not there last year. So that's your freshman class enrolling and that's like 25 kids. And the rest of them are portal. So with that as the backdrop, I ask you, Doug Gottlieb, how in the world am I supposed to know anything about anyone? And then you've got Carson Beck. I mean this time last year, if you and I were talking, we would have been talking about that kid and whether he was going to be the number one overall quarterback taken in the draft after he probably challenges for the Heisman en route to Georgia playing for a national title. And none of that happens. And now he's at Miami and how am I supposed to know what to expect down there? The highlight game of week one is Texas and Ohio State both, I think out of the top 75 in returning production numbers. How am I supposed to know what to expect there? Here's the beauty. I've never been one of these anti preseason poll guys. I've never been one of these anti prediction guys. I am just the kind of guy that wants to do all that, but do it in very light pencil because you cannot, cannot ignore week one and week two just because you took six months to build up predictions and you're not coming off of them. You got to be ready to pivot on a dime on this stuff because you're right, dude, half the coaching staff don't even know what they have. So I certainly don't know what they have.

[Noah]

And a lot of the coaching staffs are new too. That's the other part. Like they had new. They're new and they, and they don't have spring games anymore.

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah. Hey, I'll tell you another thing though. I was, I was listening to some of the stuff we had done in spring with some of these coaches this morning. And some of it was on record, like a lot of it was off record. And a lot of the off the record talk, especially in football right now, is about how many coaches like, yeah, you're right, there are new, there's new coaching staff current all over the place every year. But there are a lot of people who point blank have their jobs this year that would not have previously had their jobs because their buyout number is too big a knock on the payroll now. And the payroll is real now because you have to pay the players. And so it's not Monopoly money anymore. You actually have to budget and account for things. And so I mean, Billy Napier at Florida, if we're 10 years ago. Does Billy even survive last year? Does he make it through the season? Well, he did because of the new constraints and lo and behold, he may have a top 10 team this year. I think it was like, I mean, it's like a small handful of coordinators out of the entire SEC lost their jobs. And that's been a league perennially where half the league turns over at the coordinator position either from firing or new hires. So there's a mixture like, yeah, there is some newness in coaching spots, but there's also a really healthy amount of guys that have been given a stay of execution, if you will, maybe one more year. And the true skill, if you want to talk about being predictive, is go find the guy that was one year away all along. And because he's been given that one more year is going to make it pop because of that.

[Noah]

Well, the hard part about trying to make it pop is you will take some, you'll take some risky guys and the risk, there's risk and reward in it. And again, you just kind of holding your breath. The phone doesn't ring in the middle of the night. Josh Pate joining us. JOSH pate COLLEGE FOOTBALL SHOW he joins us here in the Herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Archie Manning is like Arch is going to be at Texas for, you know, two, two more seasons this year and next year. Do you buy it?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yes, I do. That's, that's been the talk around him since he got there. I, so if, if I, if I don't buy it, it's just me calling him a bald faced liar and I don't think they are now. He could just explode this year and be projected number one overall and of course you got a choice to make at that point. I am not applying those kind of expectations to him. Now. This is, you know, me personally, the market is, the odds boards are, I'm not, I am expecting him to be good to really good with flashes of elite and if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it. But I do want to take a step back. I mean, it's very obvious. Nothing around him is conventional. Archie Manning talking about that chief among them, his thought process in the way he gets to handle himself because of what his last name is, chief among them. But how? I was trying to think about this. Maybe you come up with an answer because I don't have one. When is the last time that we had known a kid for over half a decade, six years we've known Arch Manning, sophomore, junior, senior year in high school. First, second, now third year at Texas and it's six years in before he's the full time starter. People have been talking about this dude over half a decade, like fully formed opinions and we hadn't even seen him be listed as the number one quarterback at Texas yet. So you want to talk about expectations like you asked me a few minutes ago, think about how many hard boiled expectations and thoughts and opinions people have of him without ever seeing him, you know, play entire six game stretches of a season before. I don't know that we've ever really seen that dynamic with anyone. And I guess it would have to be a famous last name for a kid to have even mattered as a sophomore in high school like you did.

[Noah]

Yeah, I can't think of one. I just cannot. I mean obviously we don't cover up most kids in high school unless they're, you know, Tebow a little bit because he was part of the reality show back in the day. That may have been the one. And, but then he played right away, although he wasn't a full time starter probably in what, till year three. Right. So there's a. Yeah, like little.

[Doug Gottlieb]

That's it, huh? That's it. Any, anybody who's been hyped has come in and they've been hyped and then they've started. It just so happens Texas had the situation they had.

[Noah]

Yeah. And, and to, I think it was Nick Saban who was it, who said if he's so good, why was he the backup to a, to like a six round pick? And it's like, yeah, okay, Joe Burrow couldn't, you know, couldn't crack the code at Ohio State. I mean, heck, you go back and Josh, I mean, was it Fields couldn't crack the code at Georgia because it's really hard to replace an incumbent who's a good, solid college quarterback regardless of your upside. So I don't, I don't actually buy that, that, that sort of argument. If, if you will. Speaking of Texas, they play Ohio State first game of the year. Right? What, what, what should we, we know there's a lot we don't know. What do we know about the matchup?

[Doug Gottlieb]

You know that the caliber of athlete is going to be high level. Like that's where the floor is baked in pretty high on both of those teams. But I mean there's one thing you can do and that's just, hey, I know they've recruited top five classes. All right. And then you're viewing that from 50,000ft. You could zoom in maybe 20,000ft and you could go buy a preview magazine and try and familiarize yourself with the names. Or you could zoom in in the weeds and know, hey, man, Texas has already had attrition on its offensive line. An offensive line that they already had to backfill departing starters to the NFL draft because of. And that could be an issue. Now, it could be that if they remain unscathed the rest of the way, they're okay. But I mean, Texas is already in a position where they can't afford any more attrition, really, along the offensive line. Now, I say that, Doug, and if you were to hit the rewind button on me, I would have been saying the same thing about Notre Dame this time last year. And they go into College Station Week 1 against what should have been a ferocious edge rush, and they win. And then they keep on suffering attrition and keep on reloading at offensive line and they go on to play for a national title. So really, what it comes down to is not so much the players you're going to have. And I don't say that to mean players don't matter. Players are everything. I trust that you recruited and I request, I trust that you developed and Texas did not hit the portal in the offensive line, by the way. And I was there in the spring, and I can tell you firsthand, looking them in the eye, they trust the guys they have in house. Did you coach your tail off well enough? Like, did you get your team ready? Did you prepare? And also then from my viewpoint, I'm sitting over here on the other side of the lens. I've got to ask myself, is it possible I see a totally different version of either of those teams week one than I will week nine? The answer is almost a definitive yes. So you've got to be careful not to fly off the handle because everyone's going to go into that thing. You know as well as I do that Saturday morning, everyone's going to say, whoever wins, it'll be a great game. It could be 33 to 10, someone could be minus four turnovers. There's no guarantee that's going to be a great game. I'll probably go. So I trust that it will be. But you just got to be careful, man. That knee jerk stuff in college football is a dangerous poison to drink in week one.

[Noah]

There's a bunch of really interesting college football programs. Last year I thought Oklahoma was the most interesting. And they, you know, you go and get a kid who's supposed to be the next, you know, God and cleats. Heisman Trophy winner. And he started all the first, what, three games? And then they pull him. Now he's. He's somewhere else in the sec. What happens with Oklahoma this year?

[Doug Gottlieb]

I am sky high on him. I mean, that's the one where I'm totally exposed because I have not hedged my bets. I've not ridden the fence. I think they will be a top 10 caliber team. Now, I say that statement absent acknowledging their schedule. Their schedule is insanely difficult. But I do not believe they were a terminally flawed program last year. I believe they had a terminal flaw in a program in the roster that was otherwise built to win. And they have addressed that emphatically. And I'll tell you what else they did. Not only did they go get John Matiere at quarterback and his offensive coordinator, Arbuckle comes in. Those guys are really good. I mean, as soon as they hired Ben Arbuckle, I had a dozen coaches hit me up and say, I don't know if you know that guy or not, but he's a stud. He's the real deal. So I trust them. I trust him. I legitimately think he could compete for the Heisman this year. But out absent a kid named Dion Burks who was hurt last year, should be good to go this year. They really attacked wide receiver in the portal and they overhauled there. They selectively attacked at linebacker, defensive end, I think, in the portal defensively. And they. They acknowledged and addressed some of the issues, but they didn't have many. Doug. They needed to address one core issue and they did. Those are three top 10 recruiting classes stacked on top of each other. Those are three top 10 portal classes stacked on top of each other. I think they are very, very primed to be the surprise team in the SEC this year. And they get Michigan and Auburn at home two of, I think, the first four weeks of the year. I expect them to go into the Red river game against Texas undefeated.

[Noah]

Wow. Especially after Michigan. That would be. The hype would be insane. And the Red river rivalry. Josh Payt, our guest. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling for Collins the Herd. Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app USC. Lincoln Riley brings Caleb Williams in and they start to set the world on fire. And then all of a sudden, oh, boy, oh, boy, they start the remodel. Where are they?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Lincoln Riley knows exactly where they are. Lincoln Riley, it's so funny. His name was tied to the LSU job and then he takes the USC job. And then Brian Kelly takes the LSU job. Both of those guys made critically wrong decisions hiring at the outset and they suffered for it defensively, both of them addressed it and they addressed it properly. They both hired the right way defensively. They got the right guys in the building last year, each place you saw an uptick in production. I expect a full hockey stick effect there. Again this year I expect a lot more scaling of defensive numbers. That's why whether you know it's Garrett Nussmeier at LSU or whether it's myava at usc, I don't need those guys to go win games single handedly. I don't need them to hang 40 like Cam Ward had to do last year at Miami. The question I asked at USC when I was out there this spring is do you have the bodies on the line of scrimmage? Because that's what it'll always come down to eventually. I mean, you're going to Eugene, Oregon in November. If you were to navigate your conference schedule, you're going to play Ohio State or Penn State in December. I mean that's really where you're going to have to win the game. And you know, Lincoln Riley teams have not been known for that, both sides of the ball. But that doesn't mean they can't be. It just means a fundamental shift has to have happened philosophically. Which brings me to rewinding about 16 or 17 months when he stood there in that building after the 2023 season had concluded, he said, we're changing everything. We are starting from scratch philosophically. We're going to redefine everything about this program. And I said, if he means it, this is a new day at usc. Okay, so then they lost a bunch of one possession games last year. That still could be evidence that they're on the right track. If they are on the right track, my point is this year it will manifest itself and this year they'll compete for the Big Ten championship. And if they don't, patience will be worn beyond sin. And I can't blame people if they don't have patience. If he doesn't produce after this year, I think they'll be closer. This year it's going to be the one possession game stuff all over again though. It's just which side are they on?

[Noah]

Sure. Josh Pate, of course you may know Pate State. He travels all around the country, covers college football with his college football show. He joins us in the Herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for calling here on a Friday, soon to be a college football Friday we're just a couple weeks away. Paid State, synonymous with Penn State. James Franklin has done an incredible job, first at Vanderbilt, then at Penn State, loading up with talent. But what's missing is big wins. This has got to be the year, right? I mean, this has got. Got to be the like, again, I know no one. Everybody knows. Know what they have. They know what they have at quarterback, and they know they got a lot of dudes they've recruited. Well, this has got to be the year, doesn't it?

[Doug Gottlieb]

Yeah, it does. There's nothing unfair about what you said. I'm a believer that high expectations, totally fair. If all the investment that's been asked by the coaching staff has been given and James Franklin's got everything he needs and they're not shying away from it, man, I'm gonna. I'm probably gonna do a show from up there in a couple of weeks, and I guarantee you we'll have him on the show. And I guarantee you he'll look dead in that camera and say, yeah, yeah, this should be the year. That is their attitude. And I'll tell you this, if you're a casual college football fan, and I told you, hey, up until last year, James Franklin and Penn State had doubters, you would think, as a casual fan, well, they went to like the semifinal last year, so certainly the doubt has subsided, right? No, it hasn't at all cost. The two pillars in the doubt tree there were. You can't beat the big boys and you can't go win a national championship. Well, they got a shot against Ohio State. They lost. They got a shot against Oregon. They lost. They went to the playoff. They beat SMU and Boise, which a hater would tell you they should have done. And the hater is right, by the way. And then they got a shot against Notre Dame and they lost. So even though they went to the semifinal last year and it feels like they broke new ground, they really didn't. So it's the same thing this year. Oregon's coming to your house. You got the white out. It's not a noon kickoff. There's no excuse. You need to beat them in week five. You got a bye week before that, and they have to travel to you with a new quarterback. By the way, you're going to go to Ohio State later in the year. You better have at least split those games. You better be in Indianapolis. You need to win the Big Ten championship. You need to go deep in the playoff and beat someone who lines up across from you, who recruits the same caliber athlete. You do. If you don't, the window's not closed for you to win 10 games. I'm a believer James Franklin could do that forever up there, but there probably is a window to win a championship there. And you're right. This is the year. They got to do it this year.

[Noah]

Josh, great stuff, dude. We're just a couple weeks away. Couple weeks away. It's getting closer and closer. I know. Your show is getting more and more intense. Thanks for being our guest. Look forward to seeing the road and always appreciate pace day. Join us.

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