Best of The Herd

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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – "Best of The Herd" (June 30, 2025)

The "Best of The Herd" episode of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" offers a comprehensive review of key sports topics, blending insightful analysis with engaging discussions. Hosted by Jason McIntyre alongside Colin Cowherd, the episode delves into NFL team strategies, Team USA's performance in the World Cup, player evaluations, and coaching dynamics. Below is a detailed summary capturing all essential points, notable quotes, and the overall flow of the conversation.

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1. NFL Team Spending and Strategic Priorities

a. Pittsburgh Steelers' Defensive Spending

Jason McIntyre opens the discussion by critiquing the Pittsburgh Steelers' ongoing commitment to defensive spending. He expresses frustration with the team's recent acquisition of Jalen Ramsey, highlighting the increased financial burden:

"The Steelers can't help themselves... they're spending seven and a half million dollars more than they were yesterday in the secondary."
[Timestamp: 02:31]

McIntyre points out the irony of Pittsburgh leading the NFL in defensive spending for three consecutive years while struggling to balance their budget, especially with the upcoming $45 million TJ Watt contract:

"By the way, they're number one in defensive spending and they don't have the TJ Watt contract finalized."
[Timestamp: 05:10]

b. Comparison with Other NFL Teams

Contrasting the Steelers, McIntyre lauds teams like the Rams, Eagles, and Chiefs for their strategic focus on offense:

"The Rams and the Eagles have the two cheapest defenses today. And the Chiefs spent the most money in the league on offense."
[Timestamp: 04:05]

He argues that allocating resources to offense is pivotal for sustained success, emphasizing that defensive spending alone doesn't guarantee victories:

"It's almost as if the Steelers, trying to solve their offensive issues, looked at last year's Jets and decided to double down on defense instead of addressing their own weaknesses."
[Timestamp: 03:50]

2. Team USA's Performance in the World Cup

a. Goalkeeper Matt Freese's Impact

Shifting focus to soccer, McIntyre praises the recent performance of Team USA's goalkeeper, Matt Freese, particularly during the shootout against Costa Rica:

"Matt Freese in the shootout three different times made a save. That is remarkable."
[Timestamp: 11:28]

He underscores the critical role of execution in penalty kicks, aligning it with the demands of the World Cup:

"They're all about execution and that's what wins in the World Cup."
[Timestamp: 12:25]

b. Team Composition and Future Prospects

McIntyre discusses the team's progression, noting the contributions of players like Tyler Adams, Malik Tillman, Alex Freeman, and Damian Downs:

"Tip of the cap to Tyler Adams and Malik Tillman and Alex Freeman and Damian Downs. But we did not have a goalie."
[Timestamp: 12:25]

He remains optimistic about Team USA's chances, projecting a potential finals matchup with Mexico:

"We're looking at a USA Mexico final, which would be incredible, obviously, for the country."
[Timestamp: 14:16]

3. Player Evaluations and Impact

a. LeBron James' Continued Dominance

McIntyre reflects on Colin Cowherd's earlier predictions about LeBron James, affirming that LeBron remains a powerhouse in basketball:

"LeBron's not retiring. He's too good. He plays joyfully. Los Angeles is good for him. He's got Luka Doncic. Yes, he'll opt in. Yes, he's going to play. It's nonsense. And we were right."
[Timestamp: 18:29]

b. Aaron Judge as a Franchise Cornerstone

The conversation shifts to baseball, highlighting Aaron Judge's indispensable role for the Yankees:

"Aaron Judge is absolutely one. Yesterday two homers, four RBIs... He's the centerpiece as good as Ohtani is if he takes a day off."
[Timestamp: 22:30]

McIntyre emphasizes Judge's significance by comparing his influence to major stars, noting his impact on ticket sales and merchandise:

"She's getting the most votes in the All-Star Game. She's driving half of the league's television ratings."
[Timestamp: 19:33]

c. Austin Reaves' Decline with the Lakers

Addressing concerns in basketball, McIntyre critiques Austin Reaves' declining performance, questioning the rationale behind his hefty $90 million contract extension:

"Why? His representation believes open market for the Lakers in a year he's going to get closer to 150 million. I'd trade him tomorrow for Derrick White."
[Timestamp: 23:05]

He labels Reaves as a "good B player" but not dynamic enough to justify his current valuation:

"He's a good shooter, not elite but I'm wrong because apparently often in his reps cna player."
[Timestamp: 23:37]

4. Coaching Dynamics and Team Culture

a. Sean Payton's Coaching Excellence

McIntyre praises Sean Payton's coaching acumen, ranking him as the number one coach in the NFL:

"Number two coaching in the NFL by PFF Andy Reid number one."
[Timestamp: 21:43]

He highlights Payton's ability to transform teams, citing Andy Reid's success despite offensive line challenges:

"He inherited a horrible culture, a mess at quarterback, dead cat money and in a division with Andy Reid and Jim Harbaugh took a rookie quarterback to the playoffs."
[Timestamp: 21:47]

b. Critique of Mike McDaniel's Tenure with Miami

The discussion turns critical of Mike McDaniel's leadership with the Miami Dolphins, questioning his effectiveness in building a strong team culture:

"It's got a Pro Bowl quarterback. They've gone backwards for three years."
[Timestamp: 26:05]

McIntyre argues that despite McDaniel's strategic mind, the team's consistent underperformance signals deeper issues:

"It's the numbers. 02 in the playoffs."
[Timestamp: 46:34]

c. Comparison Between Coaches

Comparing coaches, McIntyre advocates for Dan Campbell over Mike McDaniel, praising Campbell's ability to foster a robust team culture despite Detroit Lions' defensive challenges:

"Dan Campbell. He can build a culture. Their culture is one of the best in the NFL."
[Timestamp: 45:09]

He contrasts this with Miami's struggles, attributing their decline to ineffective coaching strategies:

"They went nine and eight playoffs, 11 and six playoffs. Lost to the Chiefs. It was like a second-round pick."
[Timestamp: 43:53]

5. Strategic Moves and Team Management

a. Jalen Ramsey's Move to the Steelers

McIntyre analyzes the Steelers' acquisition of Jalen Ramsey, questioning the strategic value given Ramsey's history of inconsistency:

"Jalen Ramsey, two things. He's a very, very loose player... he's going into an organization that remember last week James Harrison last week saying the best part about Mike Tomlin, he's a players coach."
[Timestamp: 32:24]

He draws parallels with other players like Randy Moss, suggesting that Ramsey's performance is highly influenced by his team environment:

"Jalen Ramsey, much more a reflection of the environment. So he goes to an organization that remember last week, remember James Harrison last week saying the best part about Mike Tomlin, he's a players coach."
[Timestamp: 32:30]

b. Caleb Williams' Quarterback Performance

The conversation shifts to college football, focusing on Caleb Williams' need to minimize sacks to stabilize his performance:

"Caleb Williams, it was such a mess last year, just cut the sacks in half. I don't care about anything else."
[Timestamp: 27:54]

Cowherd emphasizes the importance of fundamental quarterback skills over flashy plays:

"Sacks are an absolute killer. I thought if, you know, if we were assigning blame to what. Why so many sacks Last year in Chicago, the majority of the sacks were not the fault of the offensive line."
[Timestamp: 30:00]

6. Final Thoughts and Live Segment

As the episode nears its conclusion, the hosts recap Colin Cowherd's accurate and inaccurate predictions made over recent weeks:

"Where Colin was right, LeBron. Where Colin was wrong, Matt Freese. Caitlin Clark isn't just the best young player in the WNBA."
[Timestamp: 18:29 - 28:36]

Finally, Matt Hasselbeck joins the show live from Nantucket, adding an interactive element to the episode:

"Matt Hasselbeck is joining us live. Okay, so I want to get into the Caleb Williams thing before I get into the Jalen Ramsey thing..."
[Timestamp: 38:21]

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Notable Quotes:

• "Sacks are an absolute killer. I thought if, you know, if we were assigning blame to what. Why so many sacks Last year in Chicago, the majority of the sacks were not the fault of the offensive line."
  — Jason McIntyre [30:00]

• "They've got to go on the road and play somewhere like Buffalo or New England. That'll be the test for them this year."
  — Colin Cowherd [34:45]

• "Dan Campbell. He can build a culture. Their culture is one of the best in the NFL."
  — Jason McIntyre [45:09]

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Conclusion:

The "Best of The Herd" episode delivers a thorough exploration of current sports dynamics, particularly focusing on strategic spending in the NFL, the critical role of execution in soccer's high-stakes moments, and the intricate balance between coaching expertise and team culture. Jason McIntyre's candid analysis paired with Colin Cowherd's insights provides listeners with a nuanced understanding of the sports landscape as of mid-2025.

For those who haven't tuned in, this episode offers valuable perspectives on team management, player performance, and the ever-evolving strategies that define success in professional sports.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

It is a Monday, lots going on. We are live. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mack I was thinking about this this morning when a story broke is that, you know, all of us have budgets. Most of us have budgets, not everybody. But you can kind of tell what people spe their money on by the time they're 50 or 60 based on the kind of financial situation they're in. You know, I tell my kids all the time, dad doesn't have a problem with you spending money. Spend it on the right stuff. Spend it on smart stuff. And there's an NFL team that has driven me crazy for about five years. The Pittsburgh Steelers. And breaking news this morning. J. Mac, they did it again this morning. So the Steelers can't stand stop spending money on defense. So this morning, what do you know? Bounce around the league guy. Jalen Ramsey, 26 and a half million dollars. The Steelers went and got him. Now, they did move off of Minka Fitzpatrick, but Minka is low maintenance, $7 million a year cheaper. A leader in the room, not a bounce around the league guy. So the Steelers can't help themselves. Now they're spending seven and a half million dollars more than they were yesterday in the secondary. And for the record, Pittsburgh has led the NFL in defensive spending three years in a row. This will guarantee it's for the New York Giants. And the Steelers spend all their money on defense. You know who spends it on offense? The Rams and the Eagles have the two cheapest defenses today. And the Chiefs spent the more most money in the league on offense. Chief Steelers, Rams, what do they have in common? Momentum. Winning. Perpetually interesting. In the NFL, everybody's got a budget. It's called the cap. Where do you spend their money? I've told my kids my entire life, the two E's, education and experiences, that's where I'm going to spend my money. On great memorable things when dad is gone. Great memories and to educate. All right, if you're spending on cars, a third, if you're spending it on clothes, I'm going to be able to tell over time you didn't spend it wisely. Stop spending money on defense. I thought, oh, they're moving off Minka Fitzpatrick, who didn't have a great year. I mean, he was like 52nd ranked safety, a good player, but a team leader. And by the way, they're number one in defensive spending and they don't have the TJ Watt contract finalized. That's going to be 45 million annually. So you, you have that TJ Watt issue to deal with and he's your best defensive player. And Jalen Ramsey, two things. He's a very, very Loose player. That's why the Rams moved off him. They wouldn't badmouth him publicly, but he's kind of an independent guy doing his own thing. He's an independent contractor. He's going to do what he wants on his terms. And the Rams, after he got burned two or three times in that playoff super bowl run, you know, they got tired of it. So he's also a player, he's very dependent on his environment. And so when he was with the loose Dolphins and the loose Jacksonville Jaguar organizations, he wasn't as good. He was loose, he made mistakes. When the Rams got him, I thought at his, he was probably the best. Jalen Ramsey. I've said this before about Randy Moss. When Randy had the Patriots, he broke NFL records. When he was with the stable Vikings, Randy Moss was great. Put him on the Raiders. Oh. So there's just a lot of people in life and a lot of professional athletes in life. They're very much a reflection of the environment they're in. And so Minka Fitzpatrick, he's going to be good anywhere. It didn't matter if the Steelers are loose. Minka Fitzpatrick is a pro, a leader, dependable. Jalen Ramsey, much more a reflection of the environment. So he goes to an organization that remember last week, remember James Harrison last week saying the best part about Mike Tomlin, he's a players coach. The worst part about Mike Tomlin, he's really a players coach. And some players are not great with players coaches. Now, James Harrison was undrafted, totally driven, a complete grinder, absolutely laser focused. But not every Steeler, as we found out, is James Harrison. So this is a great example of how do you spend your money? Chiefs, Rams, Eagles, they spend it on offense. They win every year. The Steelers and the Giants keep doubling down on defense. It's weird. It's almost as if the Steelers, trying to solve their offensive issues, looked at last year's jets and said, let's do what they're doing. Remember what the jets did? They added Hassan Redick, didn't really need him, and then signed Aaron Rodgers. The Steelers went, give us some of that. Let's sign a guy that really isn't as productive as he used to be on defense and is not inexpensive and a 40 year old quarterback. I'm just going to say this, probably don't want to watch the New York jets ever and say I'll take two heaping tablespoons of what the New York jets are doing and that that's what the Steelers did this morning. I could have been okay getting and Moving off Minka Fitzpatrick though I liked him. But then adding a guy that's looser as a bounce around the league guide now and there's seven and a half million dollars more you're guaranteed to pay Pre TJ Watt contract. Not good. Let's talk about something that is good. So we are one year away, I think it's 11 months, one year away from the World cup on US soil and it's a biggie because this is the best group of talent we've ever had in terms of attacking and scoring. Now many of them are not playing. This is sort of our B B team but we were on a four game skid before the Gold Cup. But our biggest issue before the Gold cup is we don't have a goalie. Before yesterday we didn't have a goalie and last night we finally found one. Matt Freeze who may have struggled for a moment against Haiti, but against Costa Rica in the shootout he was absolutely brilliant. First of all, Matt Freeze in the shootout three different times made a save. That is remarkable. Another two times he got his hand on it. So say what you want about shootouts, I hear people, they're not real soccer. Yes they are. Yes they are. They're better than our overtimes in college and pro football and they're tension filled and they're all about execution. And that's the one thing we were worried about with Team USA without Christian Pulisic. Can we execute when we get penalty kicks, when we get corner kicks, when we have set pieces, can we execute? Because when you have Pulisic, it always seems to work. So tip of the cap to Tyler Adams and Malik Tillman and Alex Freeman and Damian Downs. But we did not have a goalie. In fact, on the pregame show our guys were saying on Fox, is Matt Turner going to start? Matt Freeze had, and we've had incredible goalies in my lifetime. We're a hands country. We're good when you need to use hands. Not always great with just feet. But Matt Freese, after that Haiti moment where he froze, you're thinking we're not good enough to be bad in the nets. We're just not good enough. Matt Freeze yesterday, the greatest moment in the entire Gold cup, not just for us, it was tension filled. And by the way, wasn't the world last World cup decided by PK's? Yeah. So I'm not going to, I'm not going to spend some time debating whether or not shootouts matter. They're all about execution and that's what wins in the World cup details, goaltending and execution. And also Mauricio Pochettino, it should be noted, made three changes to the lineup, and two of the guys that were inserted in scored. So that momentum as we're on to the semis, regardless of what happens next, you have a sense of execution. We found our goalie, which is absolutely essential in the World Cup. You know, we always talk about offensive lines in the NFL. You're just not going to win a Super bowl with a battle line. Patrick Mahomes has been blown out twice in his career, like humiliated twice in Super Bowls when the O line was a mess. You can't win a Super bowl with a battle line. And you're not winning a World cup or you're going to struggle to get out of a group stage. And maybe unless you're like a Brazil or Argentina, you're going to struggle to get out of the group stage unless you're really good in goal. And Matt Freeze yesterday talked about his remarkable performance.

[Matt Freese]

Penalties are my thing. You know, I've been the plane ride over here to. To Minnesota. I was studying the penalties, and so, you know, I've been studying them all week and was ready for it if we needed it. And the one that I didn't, didn't move on suggestion from my goalkeeper coach, Tony Jimenez. And, you know, he was the. He was the reason that save was made.

[Jason McIntyre]

So I gotta tell you, J. Mac, there's very few things in sports, in America, globally that are more riveting than when you go to PKS. I'm sitting there for 10 minutes, and I mean, the world stops and it was like a real moment. And all of a sudden, when Burhalter's son misses, I'm like, oh, no, this is going to go sideways. No, this can't happen. But our guys delivered, and it was about as good as 10 to 12 minutes of live sports can be. So tip of the cap to our guys.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Unknown Analyst]

And let's be real, they are heavy favorites in the semifinals against Guatemala.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yes.

[Unknown Analyst]

And we're looking at a USA Mexico final, which would be incredible, obviously, for the country. For soccer fans, I will say soccer purists, colin, they hate PKs as an ending.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Unknown Analyst]

They're like, oh, this running around for two, you know, two hours. And we end up penalty kicks. So silly. But you're right. Thrilling television.

[Jason McIntyre]

Just gripping. Well, remember, if you run around for two hours, the last thing that's going to decide it is running around for another 15 minutes. This is soccer perhaps not at its purest form. But at its most crucial form of execution, I mean, when you watch the great teams that win the World cup, goal scorers and goalkeeping decide World Cups, that's what decides it. The great attacker, the great score and somebody makes a great save and you put them up front, up close and personal. This is what's going to decide this match. And again, if you go 90 minutes and you're tied often in the blazing sun, I don't need you to play longer. I want execution. And their Team USA delivered it.

[Unknown Analyst]

Let me quickly add, you know, we talked about, like, hey, this is the B team with some C guys are not going to be in the World Cup. Freeze just made a case to Pochetti. Hey, man, I know Matt Turner's a guy. I want in. I want a legitimate shot.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Unknown Analyst]

And Diego Luna has been playing incredible, incredible. Certified a spot for himself.

[Jason McIntyre]

Tyler Adams, I should make the team as well. So I, I, I did think Buchettino came out and said, I'm going to make some lineup changes. And they all worked. And he's always been a fan of change and youth and development. So that's why they brought him in and moved off Greg Burhalter. Pochettino's strength is I'm going to use young guys, I'm going to develop them, I'm going to give them opportunities and they delivered.

[Unknown Analyst]

Yeah, we're going to beat Guatemala, that's for sure. Lock that up and then we're in the finals. And then it's, hey, we play Mexico, hopefully in what should be another classic game between the two countries.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yep, I can't wait.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Jason McIntyre]

FDIC where Colin was right Where Colin.

[Colin Cowherd]

Was wrong Where Colin was right LeBron.

[Jason McIntyre]

Opted in I had said this was it two or three months ago when LeBron hinted at retirement. I said oh my God, are we going to do this again? It's four years in a row like the Brett Favre tour. LeBron's not retiring. He's too good. He plays joyfully. Los Angeles is good for him. He's got Luka Dontich. Yes, he'll opt in. Yes, he's going to play. It's nonsense. And we were right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Where Colin was wrong.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, a week ago goalie Matt Freese I said looked too anxious over his head. Nervous. Probably not our answer for the United States men's national team in goal and then y during pks 3 saves got his hand on 2 others. He rose to the moment. In my opinion, he sucker. He secured the goalie job for Team.

[Colin Cowherd]

Usa Where Colin was right.

[Jason McIntyre]

Caitlin Clark isn't just the best young player in the WNBA. She's Tiger Woods. Yesterday sold out her shoe in 10 minutes according to to reports 10 minutes. She's getting the most votes in the All Star Game. She's driving half of the league's television ratings. I said a year ago she is Taylor Swift with a jumper. She is not just helping the league. She literally got a teammate's jersey sold out in 15 minutes. Sophia Cunningham, just by proxy, but she a player that had been in the league seven years, just a teammate. She's getting stuff sold out. She is bigger than either. Even the wnba, which has finally come.

[Colin Cowherd]

Around, acknowledges where Colin was right.

[Jason McIntyre]

Former Pittsburgh Steeler James Harrison last week admitted what we've been on for years. Mike Tomlin's strength. He's a players coach. Mike Tomlin's weakness, he's a players coach. Yes, many players can handle that, but increasingly guys like Jalen Ramsey, who's only but as good as the structure. He's been supported by the Rams. It doesn't work. So this is what I've said about the Steelers for years. I'm not saying Mike Tomlin can't coach, but he's loose and details win in December, January and February and James Harrison admitting the organization is too player friendly.

[Colin Cowherd]

Where Collin was wrong James Harden signed.

[Jason McIntyre]

Another deal two years, 40 plus million a year. Listen, last year he shot 41% from the field. He doesn't defend. He never shows up in the playoffs. I am not denying his greatness. I am not denying his hall of Fame stature. I'm not denying offensively he's one of the great guards of all time. But if Steve Ballmer cares about winning and culture and how do you win in the playoffs, who is the best defensive team in the league? OKC who won okc? That's not the way to do it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Where Colin was right Sean Payton ranked.

[Jason McIntyre]

Number two coaching in the NFL by pff Andy Reid number one. I just saw this weekend he took a bad offensive line. The O line is now ranked number two. He took over a shaky defense. They led the NFL in sacks. They upgraded its safety and linebacker on players that were just niners a year ago. He inherited a horrible culture, a mess at quarterback, moved off Russell Wilson, dead cat money and in a division with Andy Reid and Jim Harbaugh took a rookie quarterback to the playoffs. This is what I've been saying about Sean Payton. He is direct, he is Kurt. He can turn people off. He is brilliant.

[Colin Cowherd]

Where Colin was right I said last.

[Jason McIntyre]

Week there are seven athletes in America that are untradable. Aaron Judge is absolutely one. Yesterday two homers, four RBIs. Leeds baseball at 356, second in home runs. He's not just a great Yankee. He went on a brief hitting slump. The Yankees got shut out. He is literally the centerpiece as good as Ohtani is if he takes a day off. I got Mookie Betts, I got Max Muncie, I got. I got Freddie Freeman. He is the centerpiece of east coast baseball.

[Colin Cowherd]

Where Colin was wrong Austin Reaves declined.

[Jason McIntyre]

90 million from the Lakers. Why? His representation believes open market for the Lakers in a year he's going to get closer to 150 million. I'd trade him tomorrow for Derrick White. I think he's a really good B player. There are Knights. He has an A offensive night but he's not dynamic vertically. He's a good shooter, not elite but I'm wrong because apparently often in his reps cna player.

[Colin Cowherd]

Where Colin was right what do you know?

[Jason McIntyre]

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers extended Jason Light the gm do you realize the team with the longest active playoff streak in the NFC is the Bucks? Not the Eagles or the Ravens or the Rams. Excuse Me, Ravens or AFC. Jason Light 1 of the best scouts ever been on this for years. Tampa Bay for years had excellent rosters. They couldn't get the quarterback right. Jason got Baker when a lot of people were doubting him. He was one of only two GMs that aggressively pursued Tom Brady. Tampa will remain talent rich as long as Jason light is the GM.

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[Jason McIntyre]

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[Jason McIntyre]

FDIC and with that, Matt Hasselbeck is joining us and he's joining us live. Okay, so I want to get into the Caleb Williams thing before I get into the Jalen Ramsey thing is that I've always felt this, even with my kids. When I had six different kids, if they were struggling, little unstable, stuffed in their head, number one rule was just stabilize them. I'm not worried about growth. I'm just let's stabilize. And I tend to believe that with quarterbacks. With a young quarterback, I'm not looking for growth. With Caleb Williams, it was such a mess last year, just cut the sacks in half. I don't care about anything else. So I maybe I'm being a little over the top, but when people suggest they want him to go to 30 touchdowns and 4,000 yards, I'm like, I don't care. The sacks are everything to me. How does that land for you?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, it's certainly number one. You got to walk before you can run is how I would say it. But I like to give quarterbacks usually two or three things to really focus in on and improve on from One year to the next. I think that's what helped me the most. Sacks would definitely be at the top of the list. Sacks hurt your team, they hurt your offensive line, they hurt morale, they hurt your own personal, like your physical, your body. But it's also very bad on the defense, that field position game. So it's, you know, this idea of protect the team. Sacks are an absolute killer. I thought if, you know, if we were assigning blame to what. Why so many sacks Last year in Chicago, the majority of the sacks were not the fault of the offensive line. They were the fault of the young quarterback. It's very common. It's not special to Caleb. We've all lived it, and that's an area that he needs to improve on, and I think he probably will, but it needs to be pretty significant.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know, when you say he's got to get better, is that. Is that pre snap, is that holding the ball? Some guys could. There's people open. They just don't. They want to. They're seeking a bigger play. When you watched him, what did you see? Why was he inducing sacks?

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I think early on, you know, early on, his eyes were in the wrong place. Didn't look like. Didn't look like he had a clear grasp of the protection schemes. I think that was a big part of it now. They made the head coaching change. They made the offensive coordinator change. His position coach, you know, was in the room with him calling plays. The offensive coordinator knew, and I think they simplified it and they brought it down. But I think what got him into trouble in the second part of the year was he trusted his. In his athleticism so much. Like, you saw these things, or he got away with it at usc. You're not going to get away with it in the NFL. And I think that's one of the hard things for quarterbacks who have great mobility. It's, it's. I would say it's great mobility in college, and it's just kind of like good mobility in the NFL. And there's a fine line there, but I think he needs to play on time more than he did and maybe a little bit less of the playground stuff. Save that for when you absolutely need it.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah. You know, it reminds me, Matt, a little of golf, where everybody wants to buy a new driver. And it's like, if your putting improves, your score improves, the driver's not going to win you strokes. It's all around the greens. Right. So I think with Caleb, I don't worry about his driving. You got to make the putts in the red zone.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, it's putt. It's. What is it? Putt for dough, drive for show. You know, I would say, I would say in a similar way, somewhere on that list, I think number two for me would just probably be overall leadership. Like, we're looking at you. I mentioned body language. Like, that bothers me. That really bothered me how he handled that last year. But then also, like, you know, you can't miss the layups, you can't miss the free throws. He is, he's. He's going to have splash plays, but he's also going to miss some wide open guys or he did last year. And I think that's another area, probably that third area that I think he needs to improve on.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right, so been on this for a while. The Rams, the Eagles and the Chiefs spend all their money on offense. The league 10 years ago, after that CTE check they wrote, moved to benefiting the offense. So there's limitations, even a great defense. Couple years ago, the Niners had a great defense. They faced Mahomes. He ate him alive. There's just limitations on what a great defense can do because of rule changes. So the Steelers this morning said, we're going to spend even more money on defense. We'll move off Mink and get Ramsey. It's like, guys, how about just move off Minka and go get more offense? So what do you make of the Jalen Ramsey move to the Steelers?

[Colin Cowherd]

Now listen, the Steelers are just going to do what the Steelers do. They do not care about the rest of the league. They don't care about what anybody else does. They say, hey, we're the Steelers. This is how we operate. So I don't think that's going to change. But I do think this, it looks like they're building a team to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. Like, when I, when I look at them, I really feel like they're coming up with, like, what. What is our identity going to be? It's almost like they have confidence in what they have. Like, what we have can take care of the Baltimore Ravens. Like, we're good, but, like, man, I don't know how we're going to stop the Cincinnati Bengals. Like, I do believe that there's a fear there of, like, personnel wise, we don't match up well with them. And the Steelers and some other teams that have always been like 34 defenses, three down linemen, four linebackers, they're playing more of this four to five, four down linemen, two inside or four rushers. Two inside backers and five DBs. And I think what kind of DBs is where they've, you know, they now have some flexibility. They basically have three corners to go to go up and fight kind of like that Joe Burrow, three wide receiver set. So I think that's a trend league wide. Certainly the Steelers look like they feel pretty good about that trend as well.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, well, listen, if I'm going to give you some confidence about it, I do think that there's a play here for the offense. You know, like Arthur Smith identity. Last year, you saw he went with a lot of 12 personnel, 13 personnel, meaning two tight ends in the game or three tight ends in the game. I think they just want to get a little more talented at that spot. Three different guys. They've got Friar move. They've got Darnell Washington, who's a joy to watch in the running game. I mean, he's a monster. And then they go get John who Smith, a player that I think is more wide receiver than he is tight end. Arthur Smith's been with him a few times, loves him. I know that as this. As the league goes to kind of what I was talking about, five DBs on the field more. The Steelers and Arthur Smith look like they're saying, okay, you want to get cute with five DBs, we're going to smash it down your throat. We're going to have a bruising, bruising running game, and we can still throw it with these guys. Shifts, motions, all that kind of stuff. It's identity for the. For the Pittsburgh Steelers. Again, we don't care what the rest of the league is doing. We're doing what we're doing. And I think having a clear identity is very helpful.

[Jason McIntyre]

You know, I think over. Obviously, people have been hiring offensive coaches more than defensive coaches. Whenever there's a big opening, you always see four offensive guys for a defensive guy. And that's not to say guys like d' Amico. Ryan's can't work on the other side. But I was also thinking about something the other day, is that I. There's a lot of people. Mike McDaniel came from the Niners. Shanahan may do a lot of motion, but he's really like his dad. He's all about physical run games. McVeigh's a culture guy. Shanahan's a culture guy. Vrabel's a culture guy. Dan Campbell's a culture guy. The Harbaughs are culture guys. Pete. Pete Carroll's got more of a culture guy. Is that I look at Miami and Mike McDaniel and it's like he took the Niners. He went to Miami with a similar quarterback, a smaller guy, not a huge arm, moves a little accurate, but I don't think he's built a culture. I think it's all sizzle and no steak and Miami. To me this year, when I hear about coaches in the hot seat, I'm like, I look at Miami and all I hear the media love Mike McDaniel, but there's no there there. And I think we're moving into a time in the NFL culture beyond just schematics matters. And that Mike McDaniel may be clever, but the physical culture and component of that Niners offense, he didn't bring it to Miami. And I don't buy them. And I think they probably finished fourth. And two years ago they were the talk of the league. Where are you on Miami, McDaniel? The motion tua. The sizzle, because it's not working and it's going backwards.

[Colin Cowherd]

Are you saying fourth in the AFC East? Is that what you're saying?

[Jason McIntyre]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Wow, that's. That's bold. I put him third. Listen, culture matters 100%. I think it matters more than X's and O's most of the time. Especially in football. Especially when you're in a city like Miami with all the distractions that are down there. You're not in Green Bay, Wisconsin or something like that. So the distractions are real. That's a real thing. I kind of believe in Mike McDaniel. I kind of believe in him as a coach. I even believe that he can be the right culture guy. But no, it's. Listen, they're swimming upstream just a little bit. Even in their division, the Buffalo Bills, everyone thinks that, hey, that's going to be the winner in that division. The Patriots are vastly improved this year. They clearly have an identity. You just look at the teams last year that had double digit wins. The AFC is tough. Seven teams are going to get in. An explosive team like the Cincinnati, Cincinnati Bengals didn't even make the playoffs last year. The Steelers clearly got better. The AFC west is talented. If you don't win in Miami, a team with a great fan base that expects to win and they've got fireworks. Yeah, people are going to be calling for your, for your job. That's going to be the nature of it. But the creativity and the, the identity of what they can be offensively, it clearly is there. Like it's, it's. The potential is there. It's an interesting thing. That you bring up. I don't know that I would say fourth at the end of the day. I feel like he was hired, though, to get to a back on track. He did a pretty darn good job of that. I think they just need to take a next step, and sometimes it's just tough late in the year. Those warm weather teams, they don't perform at the end of the year the way that they did at the beginning of the year because they got to go on the road and play somewhere like Buffalo or New England. That'll be the test for them this year.

[Jason McIntyre]

Matt Hasselbeck. It is a Monday. He's at an undisclosed, very nice location, which I'll be close to in a couple days. It is great seeing you, my man.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's Nantucket. Just say it now. I just out at you on your vacation.

[Jason McIntyre]

All right. Matt Hasselbeck, who's been a joy since he came to the show. I appreciate it. No, I was thinking about this, J. Mac, is that sometimes, like the media, and we know this, the media likes the media. And Mike McDaniel was seen as sort of, you know, he's a small guy physically, but he's smart. He was kind of funny at the podium. The NFL is a sport of big men. Big men. They were big in high school, they're big in college. They're big, physical men, and they respond to other big men. And if you look at what's happening in the NFL, McVeigh, you say, well, McVay's not big. McVay is an athlete. He's culture. He's smart. He owns a room. I mean, it's not debatable. Like, there's an argument that McVay is probably the best guy at the podium in the league. And then I think Miami, it's squirrely, it's fun, it's smart. I am three years into this Mike McDaniel thing. What are they?

[Unknown Analyst]

I think it's less about him because he's smart, articulate, really cuts through to the players. You see the behind the scenes. It's less about how the team is built. And honestly, I don't think they've done a good job. I'm sure you saw Tyree Kill just chimed in on the trade with the Will Smith meme from Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Like, it's over. There's nobody here. Tyree Kill's been chirping about getting me, getting him out of there for like, two years. Dealing with Jalen Ramsey. To me, this Dolphins move, they're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, they're going down. Everybody knows it. And they're just trying some last ditch effort here. It's not going to matter. But it's not on McDaniel though.

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, it ultimately has to be on the coach. You can blame anybody in New England. Belichick got fired at the end. You have. You're paying the coach 15 million. It's on the coach. You can't blame the GM because you're not winning.

[Unknown Analyst]

Unemployed for what, like a week?

[Jason McIntyre]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't believe Mike McDaniel gets a second nod. What? I don't, I don't. It's got a Pro bowl quarterback. They've gone backwards for three years.

[Unknown Analyst]

And Pro bowl quarterbacks out, they're garbage. That's on McDaniel. That's on his quarterback for getting hurt all the time.

[Jason McIntyre]

Okay, the offensive line, my point being, you tell me the market that's going to buy a coach that in his first job, remember, Miami won, I think it was 19, 19 games the two years before he got there. They won 20 with him in the first two years. One more spending big time money and getting stars. And they went backwards last year.

[Unknown Analyst]

Wow. Okay. I would definitely disagree. I think McDaniel almost instantly for another head coach.

[Jason McIntyre]

Based on what?

[Unknown Analyst]

He's an offensive mastermind. It's not his fault the defense can't stop a nosebleed and the offensive lines of train wreck. The GM in the front office in Miami has been the downfall. McDaniel, again, I would not blame him, Colin. I think he's excellent.

[Jason McIntyre]

I mean, at some point in this league, the best coaches keep winning. Andy Reid wins regardless of quarterback. Even in Philly he was getting NFC championships.

[Unknown Analyst]

Yeah, Donovan McNabb, come on, that guy was.

[Jason McIntyre]

Who's a. Not a top 50 quarterback ever? Not even close.

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[Jason McIntyre]

So. I mean, that's not disputable.

[Unknown Analyst]

But Donnie, Donovan McNabb is a good quarterback. They had a great defense in Philly. Yeah, Reed's a good coach.

[Jason McIntyre]

Come on. No, no, you're not listening. I'm not denying he is. You're saying McDaniels is. I'm saying where's the proof? Where's the proof?

[Unknown Analyst]

Well, they've gotten to the playoffs.

[Jason McIntyre]

Has any team been humiliated more by Buffalo in the league than Miami? They get humiliated by them. They can't compete in their own division with the best. Forget the rest of the afc. I mean I again, I go back to what's the market for? You tell me I'm an owner. Hey, we've got a job opening. Let's hire a guy that's young. His first job he failed at in a market that free agents love to play. No state tax, aqua water.

[Unknown Analyst]

So who's the equivalent of the NFC? Would you say it's LaFleur? Because he's not some big imposing figure. He got dealt. Aaron Rodgers won a lot. Now Rodgers is gone and what are we seeing from the floor?

[Jason McIntyre]

Playoffs.

[Unknown Analyst]

The Dolphins got to the playoffs under McDonald Green.

[Jason McIntyre]

Green Bay has no owner. Free agents won't play there. The division is. There are no bad teams in that division. And by the way, you're dealing with a quarterback, Jordan Love, who is not. Who sat for three years. We still don't know how good he is. Tua was a first round pick who's already made a Pro Bowl. I mean, I'm not a huge TUA fan, but he's made Pro Bowls. His comp was Drew Brees, who was Jordan Love's comp.

[Unknown Analyst]

Who would you rather have, Jordan Love or Tua?

[Jason McIntyre]

Well, I'd rather have Jordan Love because he's bigger, with a better arm. Today I would. Three years ago, I wouldn't. When McDaniel took the job, I would have rather had two of them. Jordan Love. Now, going into this year, I would take Jordan Love.

[Unknown Analyst]

Okay, so Zach Taylor or Mike McDaniel, who would you rather have as head coach?

[Jason McIntyre]

I wouldn't hire either. I mean, if I was an owner and there was an opening and they were on the market, those would not be choices.

[Unknown Analyst]

So now Brian Dabel probably would be my choice over McDaniel, but.

[Jason McIntyre]

Yes.

[Unknown Analyst]

What is Brian Dabel done as a head coach?

[Jason McIntyre]

Colin got Daniel Jones to the playoffs and won a playoff game.

[Unknown Analyst]

Miami got to the playoffs. They just saw what they didn't want to playoff game. And now Dable's backsliding badly, but you're.

[Jason McIntyre]

Telling me he's got a market? My take is what top tier team is like, not even average team. Well, what? What? Listen, the Dolphins weren't good before him. They're getting worse now.

[Unknown Analyst]

How's this? If Jonathan Gannon.

[Jason McIntyre]

I would argue this. In Arizona, people may criticize Brian Flores. Brian Flores, the better head coach. He didn't get along with Tua. Brian Flores took the Dolphins over in eight weeks. Eight weeks. We're going into year four with McDaniel in eight weeks. The Dolphins were an elite defense and had elite special teams. In eight weeks. Eight. We're on year four for McDaniel. Nobody's got the Dolphins being elite this year, you got culture problems. Tyreek Hill and Jalen Ramsey. Neither one either wants to play there. One's gone.

[Unknown Analyst]

One could be that on McDaniel though. So by the way, they went nine and eight playoffs, 11 and six playoffs. Lost to the Chiefs. No harm in that. And in their first year they had Skyler, what's his face at quarterback as Tua was hurt. And then last year, eight, nine. So in three years he's 28 and 23 with two playoff trips, I mean 02.

[Jason McIntyre]

LaFleur's got three playoffs.

[Unknown Analyst]

Here's one for you. Are you ready?

[Jason McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Unknown Analyst]

Dan Campbell or Mike McDaniel?

[Jason McIntyre]

Dan Campbell. He can build a culture. Their culture is one of the best in the NFL. Dan Campbell, the Lions culture, whether you like Dan or not, and I was not a huge fan initially, their culture is out of this world. The Lions culture is. We said this three years ago, nobody in the league plays harder than Detroit. They've had major personnel issues on the defensive side when Hutchinson got hurt. They have no defense. Their culture, I mean, think about this. Matt LaFleur won two games last year with Malik Willis at quarterback. Who bought who Tennessee drafted an hour later said, yeah, that's not going to work. I mean it was like a second round pick. They were like, yeah, I think he. I forget what round he was drafted in, but they literally bailed on him.

[Unknown Analyst]

Yeah.

[Jason McIntyre]

Before he was like halfway through his contract. LeFlore won two games with him and if I recall, he got Malik Willis. He wasn't even on the roster like a month earlier. Yes, he was a third round pick. They. He wasn't on the like the off season roster. I think they brought him in due to an injury and boom, they brought him in. August 26th.

[Unknown Analyst]

This is interesting.

[Jason McIntyre]

And he wins two games in September.

[Unknown Analyst]

Yeah. I did not know you were this anti Mike McDaniel or worse.

[Jason McIntyre]

I'm not anti. It's the numbers. 02 in the playoffs.

[Unknown Analyst]

I mean, we walked through the playoffs with Josh Allen in Buffalo and Patrick Mahomes in kc. Where's the harm in that?

[Jason McIntyre]

One of them.

[Unknown Analyst]

He had his backup quarterback. What are we doing? The jets would take him in a heartbeat. A heartbeat. So they can have an offense. They haven't had an offense in a decade.

[Jason McIntyre]

Colin, the jets just hired another coach. They have to wait a while.

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[Colin Cowherd]

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