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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Jason McIntyre
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Jason McIntyre
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Matt Hasselbeck
Weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon.
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Jason McIntyre
To 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Oh, it is a Monday. We are rare run to go. There is a lot happening, including NFL camps opening up. We are live. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we appreciate you stopping by. A lot of choices out there. J. Mac it is. I love my golf majors and I especially love a golf major when a dominant player. It could be Bryson DeChambeau, who by the way, his last three rounds used absolutely on fire Rory. Or a guy who maybe not as fascinating but dominating Scotty Scheffler. So I want to start with that. J. Mac There's a lot of talk yesterday because Scotty Scheffler wins and really pulled away. Played great early in the final round, pulled away from the other world class golfers and people are saying, man, this feels like Tiger Woods. No it doesn't. And I love Scottie Scheffler. They have one thing in common. Scotty Scheffler right now in his prime and Tiger in his prime felt like they were absolutely better than even the second best golfer in the world. And if both were hitting their putts and Tiger almost always was, if they go into the final round with a lead, you're not catching them. That's what they have in common. But Tiger was much longer off the tee and golf equipment's actually improved. He was 40 yards off the tee longer sometimes and Scheffler's about 3, 310. Sometimes Tiger was 360. 370. Secondly, Tiger is the best iron player I've ever seen in my life. Maybe there's somebody better, I'm not sure. And Tiger was consistently on the tour in his prime. Unbelievable lag putter and an unbelievable big tournament, big pot star. Scheffler's gotten way better at that. But he can struggle. At least he did previously. So I mean, they were talking about Tiger proofing courses. It was ridiculous. Scheffler again, there's a difference. Scotty Scheffler doesn't intimidate other golfers. He just beats them. Tiger woods, the galleries, the fist pump, he leaned into it. Much more. Michael Jordan, he taught you at the free throw line they were trying to Tiger proof courses, but you couldn't do anything. Okay, let's make it longer. That played the Tigers advantage. So Scheffler is ruling golf. To me, Tiger revolutionized it. Tiger was MJ or Mike Tyson in his prime. He intimidated other great fighters, other NBA all stars. And again, Tiger loved it. Like MJ loved taunting you. Scheffler's more Tim Duncan reserved, avoids mistakes. Fundamentally strong business. Like, now that he's got the putting going, if he leads on Sunday, it's over. But Tiger made you feel like you wanted to go out. He had so much alpha. You'd watch Tiger play and you wanted to go to the driving range. You wanted to grab your clubs and go play. I mean, Scotty Scheffler, he said it last week, you know, I don't get much out of winning. He's a little bit of a buzzkill. I love Tim Duncan, but he never wanted me, Made me want to go grab a basketball when I was a kid. If you watched a great player, you'd want to go out in the backyard and shoot that. That. That's not Scheffler. So it's like LeBron. LeBron got to eight straight finals, but he never felt like he quite had the. The MJ killer instinct, the MJ juice, the MJ feel. I mean, think about this. They're both at 29. Tiger had 10 majors and 46 wins. Scheffler's got four and 17. Phil Mickelson is a legend, an all time great Golfer. He's got 45 career wins. Tiger had 46 in his 20s. So again, there's a difference between ruling golf and revolutionizing it. There's a difference between winning and intimidating. And I, I think. I think that is when you can get into other golfers or other fighters or other UFC fighters. Heads. That's Tiger. Scotty's just great. And now that he's got his putting going, if he leads going into Sunday, that thing felt over by his third hole, you're like, yeah, yeah, it's over. I think even he, afterwards, after the Open win, acknowledged that. I still think they're a bit silly. You know, Tiger won, what, 15 majors? It's my fourth, just got 1 4th of the way there. So just, I mean, it's. I think Tiger stands alone in the game of golf. I don't focus on that kind of stuff. That's not what motivates me. I'm not. Not motivated by winning championships. I feel like what motivates me is just getting out and you know, get. Getting to live out my dream. Yeah. Scotty Scheffler's great. Tiger was obsessed, and there is something about the athletes in our time. Brady obsessed with football obsessed. Josh Allen's really good. Is he obsessed? I don't know. But Brady's obsession slash intensity was kind of intimidating. I mean, I grew up with John Elway. I was a Seahawk fan. If you grew up and you led an Elway got the ball, it was deflating. You knew the outcome. That was Brady. So I don't feel that with. I don't. I never felt that with Aaron Rodgers, who's good. It's a coin flip. Will he come back and win or not? It's coin flip Brady. It's over. Get in the car. Warm the car up. Start the car. And I think. I think that intensity of Tiger is just different than anything I've ever seen. Okay, so ESPN's analytic writers. This is data. It's not necessarily opinions driven by data. Ranked the NFL rosters going into a season. Now, a lot of it's predictable. At the top, it's Baltimore, Philly, Detroit, Buffalo, Kansas City. You know, a lot of that stuff. Bottom, you know, it's your Saints and your Giants and your jets, whatever. But what's really interesting to me, smack dab in the middle, right? Smack dab in the middle. Green Bay Packers 14, Chicago Bears 15. Even though the packers have dominated that rivalry, It's a great rivalry. It is a great rivalry. NFC north is up for grabs. And if the NFL between the packers and Bears is a head coach and quarterback league, and it is that, it's Matt LaFleur and Jordan Love against Ben Johnson, another offensive coach and another athletic quarterback, Caleb Williams. That is great for one of the NFL's best rivalry. And I think what makes Caleb Williams so fascinating and why the Bears are going to be such a great watch. Nobody disputes his talent, arm, athleticism, escapability and toughness. I have a general manager in my kind of source group who's a critic of Caleb Williams. Doesn't know what the outcome's going to be. He acknowledges tough, big, explosive arm and insanely evasive. Nobody disputes that. What it really comes down to Caleb Williams is coachability. Creative, strong. Those are traits we know that's great, but all of the things he struggles with are improvable, are coachable. He holds on to the ball too long. You can coach your way out of that. He misses layups, easy stuff. You can coach your way out of that. Sometimes I think he plays a little hero Ball from time to time. You can coach your way out of that. You can't get bigger and stronger and faster. That's not going to work. So all of his traits are correctable and coachable. And I mean, I'll give you an example. Pocket presence. Well, Lamar Jackson came into the NFL with none, and now he's excellent. He is. Lamar Jackson is not only a great athlete, he's clearly smart and coachable. He did not have much of a pocket presence. He just ran and escaped. He's. He knows what he's doing in the pocket now. He's a real pro. It has been for years. Josh Allen. Accuracy was like inaccurate at Wyoming, inaccurate in the NFL. Now he's very accurate. That's coachable. Size, arm moving around, dynamic is not. So when you look at Bo Nix, he's either going to be good, which he is now, or very good. When you look at Jaden Daniels, he's either going to be great or a legend. There is such a wide range of outcomes for Caleb Williams. It's going to be amazing or, wow, that didn't work. You have this huge range of outcomes. And that's why I think last year the Bears were a fascinating team. In fact, J. Mac called them the most interesting team in the league to start the year. But it was mostly because of the dysfunction and the potential for an inferno, and it was engulfed early this year. It's not about dysfunction. It's really about the roster's good. It's as good as the Packers. The coach, he knows what he's doing. He's offensive. Oh, they short up the offensive line. It really comes down to can Caleb take to coaching, take to developing, which I think is much easier when you're less talented. I think if you have a marginal singing voice, you understand the value of your singing. Coach. I think it's the hardest people to coach and they love the coaching, but it's hard when somebody's truly gifted. Andy Reid, Mahomes. When do you pull back? When do you get out of the way? When do you let him do what he just sort of does? That's hard. It's easy. And I think Kirk Cousins knows I'm going to follow the playbook here. I'm going to follow the coaching. I've got limitations. I think it's really hard to coach Mahomes. That goes against what you think because, like, when do you coach and when do you just get out of the way? And you got to sometimes with Caleb, get out of the way. I've talked about this before he had a moment against Arizona in college. I think it was his first year at usc. It may have been his second where he was on the sideline. It was fourth quarter late in the game, may have been overtime. There were like six Arizona Wildcats around him and it ended up being a good bowl team for Arizona. It was six on one and they couldn't get it. And it was the most, it was a video game. So, you know, that's why, by the way, Steve Kerr is a great coach because he took to coaching. Therefore he adapted and knows coaching. Michael Jordan wasn't a great gm, Magic wasn't a great coach. Some of it's just, I just got this skill and it leads me to the right place in crisis. All right, J. Mac, a lot of things going on this week. A little WNBA players.
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Unknown
Oh.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I find that story. Well, I actually, I think there's a real argument that the WNBA players are going to win negotiations. I wouldn't do it the way they're doing it. Well, I, you know, the T shirt stuff, it's, it's not the end of the world. It's kind of silly. But I do think, but I do think there's something to be said. Even if you lose money for a company for 10 years, if you're at the end of your 10 year contract and you finally start making money, do you want to bail on the investment? Like it doesn't matter what they did for the last 25 years in the last year, the growth of the WNBA due to Caitlin Clark is so sensational. What are you going to do? Bail on your investment? It's finally paying off. So what do you do if you're the NBA? So I want to talk about that. And also a reality. People aren't going to like to hear this in a certain part of the country, but it's true. And that's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of.
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Unknown
The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio Apple.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, we're Covino and Rich, FOX Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to. And that's why we have a brand new podcast called Over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun in our two hour show. We never get to everything honestly because this guy is over promising things we never have time for. Yeah, you blubber lips, blaming me. Well, you know what it's called Over Promise. You should be good at it because you've been over promising women for years. Well, it's a Covino and Rich after show and we want you to be a part of it. We're gonna be talking sports, of course, but we're also gonna talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Over Promised. Well, if you don't get enough Covino and Rich, make sure you check out Over Promised and also uncensored by the way, so maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's gonna be the best after show podcast of all time. There you go, overpromising. And remember, you could see it on YouTube, but definitely. Join us Listen to Over Promised with Covino and rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Jason McIntyre
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Jason McIntyre
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Matt Hasselbeck
Man hour one on a Monday flew by. We are live. We're in Chicago. It is the Herd. Good stuff with Matt Hassle back in about four or five minutes. Training camps are underway. Training camps are different depending on the roster. Got a young team and there's a couple of them out there. Very interesting stuff. J Mac, I, you know, I was thinking about this. We talked about the Big Ten overtaking the sec and a lot of it is the Big Ten campuses. There's more students. They graduate. It's easier to raise nil money. If you look at top two teams in the SEC now, nil spending, it's Texas and Texas A and M. That's not the sec, that's Texas economy. And so if you look at the Big Ten, Oregon's got money. USC's got money. Michigan's got money. Ohio State's got money. It's different. Those are bigger schools, more graduates. And I think that's why the Big Ten is going to win its third straight national championship. Facilities used to matter. Now it's about paying the players. And the Big Ten can just consistently have fewer players poached and pay more elite players. Yeah.
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Unknown
By the way, do you remember early last year? I think it was like August and early September, a lot of SEC teams were losing games. And I think we talked about at.
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Matt Hasselbeck
The time and the SEC fans, oh, it's early. We're going to be fine. They're not. They're definitely not fine. I thought your car dealership point first hour was really spot on. Like car dealership money is great pre nil. Now in the nil era, there's so much bigger money at play with some of these other universities. The Texas Tech example, Colin. Yeah. They got one billionaire. Yeah. If you took the Longhorns and the Aggies out of the sec, the gap in spending between the Big Ten and the SEC would be even larger. I mean, it's like the Longhorns in A and M. That's the Texas economy. The Texas economy, you know, it's one of the biggest economies in the world. It's a monster. That's a whole different ballgame. Saban knew this very early when the NIL money started. He grumbled. Year one, he, you go back and look at those quotes and I said it on the air. He is grumbling because he sees the truth. He can't compete. Sark's roster, second year of the nil was Nick's roster three years earlier. Bigger, stronger, faster guys, here we go on a Monday. Colin right? Colin wrong. Let's roll it.
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Unknown
Where Colin was right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Oh, the offensively tone deaf Steelers. Mike Tomlin can't help himself. Gave TJ Watt the biggest non quarterback contract in the league. They again lead the NFL in defensive spending. It's not the player, but they paid Jaylen Ramsey. They played Darius Slay, they paid TJ Watt. Yet they can't get their offensive line right. They let Naji Harris go. It's not that Mike Tomlin's not a good coach. This organization spends too much money. Philly doesn't. Rams don't. Ners let defensive guys go. Kansas City doesn't pay defense. Pittsburgh does. Where Colin was wrong. Just when I gave the WNBA players credit for in a private poll naming Caitlin Clark as the face of the league going forward. And then Kelsey Plum comes out, takes a shot at Caitlin Clark because her team wasn't present for, you know, the meetings they're having regarding the negotiations. She said it was a very powerful moment wearing those T shirts. But she said, you know, nobody from team Kaitlin Clark was present. Can we stop? You guys are flying private. There's one reason Caitlin Clark, somebody joined the band that's really popular. You're traveling in style. Give it a break. Where Colin was right. NFL Executives, scouts and coaches last week ranked Jalen Hurts ninth best quarterback in the NFL. That's what I've said. Character, leadership, playmaking, strength, excellent. Love him, but from the pocket. Yeah. After a Week 5 by the Eagles coaching staff reduced the number of passes thrown per game to 24 and they were a better offense. Nobody's doing that for Mahomes or Josh Allen. I can like a player but say yeah, there's, there's limitations. Greg Cosell's been saying this for years. I love Jalen Hurts. He's not an elite pocket thrower consistently where Colin was right. Well, I said Penn State I've set up for the last month is the best team in the Big Ten. It's not Ohio State even though the Buckeyes have the best offensive player and the best defensive player. And Ryan Day, Penn State was just awarded the media poll over Ohio State as the best team in the conference. My prediction is at Penn State, Texas national championship. I'll figure out at the time who wins it, but I think the Big Ten, we've been on it for a year, has overtaken the SEC as the best program. And the fact that Penn State gets higher rated by the media that knows those programs over the Buckeyes who bring back the best two players in the sport says something where Colin was wrong. I sold my Shador Sanders stock after two speeding tickets. I'm like bro, you're a quarterback and you're a fifth round pick. You gotta have more self awareness. But Mary Kay Cabot reported this week that because he performed so well at camp, he has a legitimate chance to win the starting job. So perhaps I bailed a little early where Colin was right. The ESPN rankings of the top rosters this year in the NFL, seven of the top 12 are NFC. This is something we started talking about last year. There was about a three year period where the gap between the AFC and the NFC was noticeable. But if you watch the NFL last year roster composition, I thought the NFC had more elite rosters. I thought Philadelphia's roster was the best. Detroit's was second, Baltimore's third. Seven of the top 12 are NFC and oh by the way, the NFC 48 and 33 against the AFC last year where Colin was right. What a shocker. Only one NFL team hasn't signed their first round pick and it's the always cheap Cincinnati Bengals. Shemar Stewart is the holdout. I've said it for years. Zach Taylor gets criticized by a lot of people in the NFL. Oh, it's all Joe Burrow. He's got the cheapest owner. There are owners. I don't love the guy down in Miami, but he spends the facilities are amazing. Free agents love Miami. One team can't finalize their deal with a first round pick, the Cincinnati Bengals. That's why Joe Burrow's always ticked off where Colin was wrong. The Dodgers have hit.198 as a team in their last 10 games last in baseball. They're 2 and 10 in their last 12. Just swept by the Brewers. Mookie Betts is in the worst slump of his career. They moved Ohtani out of the leadoff spot. The pitching, too many injuries. I thought this lineup. I believed it at the time. I said you can make an argument after Ohtani. Mookie Betts the best player in baseball. This is the best batting order I have seen since the 75 Reds. They officially can't hit where Colin was right. Well, Bradley Beal went to the clippers and Jason McIntyre said it's the kind of move that will shift the paradigm of the NBA. Well I looked at the odds makers. They were plus 2000 pre trade plus 2000 Clippers post trade. Oldest roster in the NBA with Brook Lopez and Bradley Beal just got older. The Bradley Beal acquisition did not make a dent in the Clippers futures despite the admiration of one Jason McIntyre and with that our friend. We love having him on the show. It's a Monday. It's Matt Hasselbeck 18 year NFL season. So I said last hour everybody acknowledges how good Sean McVay is and how great Andy Reid is and the Harbaughs. But I don't think we quite understand what Peyton has done in Denver. They lost two first round picks to get Russ. He inherited that. The dead cap situation was before Deshaun Watson like the worst contract in the league. You got Herbert and Harbaugh, Mahomes and Reed and they made the playoffs with Bo Nix. And my take is not all coaches are great with personnel, Matt, but this roster is really good. I think you said this about a month ago on this show. You're high on Denver, are you not?
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Unknown
Yeah, I'm very high. I Colin, I kind of wonder if people are holding the his big loss in that championship game in the home team movie when was it him or Kevin James? I don't know when he was the offensive coordinator and lost the 12 year old championship. You know what I'm talking. You don't watch movies so you don't know. But no, listen, Denver I think is a major threat in the AFC west. We're going to be talking about what a great coaching division this is. The head coaches, guys that have hoisted Lombardi's three out of the four but and everyone's going to want to crown Kansas City. I get that. I like them too. But he has something special in Bonitz. He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback. It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had. This defense might be the best defense in the NFL. They're certainly a candidate for that, for that, that award. And then they go out and get Evan Ingram. They've got a running back by committee, kind of a fire and ice, lightning and thunders sort of situation there. A great offensive line. My concern or question would be like what do they have firepower wise, consistency wise at the wide receiver position. I thought they were pretty good last year, but I thought they might have overachieved. You know, can they continue to improve and grow in that area? But to me, Sean Payton knows exactly what it takes. Everyone believes in him and if that thing gets rolling in Denver, that home field advantage is real just as well. So that's a team to watch in my mind.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Be sure to catch Live editions of.
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Unknown
The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Pacific introducing the new Dell AI PC powered by the Intel Core Ultra processor. It's not just an AI computer, it's a computer built for AI. That means it's built to help do your busy work for you so you can fast forward through editing images, designing presentations, generating code, debugging code, running lots of apps without lag, summarizing, meeting notes, extending battery life, finding that file you were looking for, managing your schedule, meeting your deadlines, responding to Jim's long emails.
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Jason McIntyre
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Jason McIntyre
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Matt Hasselbeck
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, you know, I think another reason why people push back on Peyton is because Andy Reid rarely says son, rarely steps in it. Sean McVeigh doesn't. Shanahan, you know, they're kind of PC upfront. You know, Sean's not. Sean goes after people. And the truth is, I think people inside the league know how good he is. But Sean has alienated some people because he is. I mean, I, I know Sean. That's his personality. He's totally authentic. He's like a little bit like Jim Harbaugh 10 years ago. Half the league hated Harbaugh, half revered him, half. I think that's part of the Peyton dynamic. Do you?
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Unknown
Yeah. But in listen, I think also people were surprised when it didn't work out with Russell Wilson. I wasn't really surprised because I know that I know what kind of coach Sean Payton is. Known him for a long time. He knows exactly what he wants and exactly how it wants it, how he wants it. So, like, he, he, he's not looking to hear, like, oh, what are you comfortable with, Mr. Quarterback? Like, he doesn't care. He's like, listen, hop on board. Follow me. It's going to work. And so, like last year as an example, I think they did a lot of things that Bo Nix was comfortable with. Like, hey, listen, I would like. I think Sean Payton almost thought of it this way. I would prefer if you were under center more, but since this is year one for you, we'll go gun. We'll go shotgun more for you. But in year two, like, we're going to do it more my way. We're going to be under center more. We're going to do a lot of the things that I like to do. And I don't think he's very moldable. Like, I don't think he wants to move off his spot, which is totally, totally fine when you're Sean Payton. And I think that could be a rub with a veteran quarterback that's done it differently. That's why I think having Bo Nix is just so great. He's got a maturity because of how much he played in college, but he also has kind of this mold ability of a young player.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So I think camps are different Based on your personnel, I do think there are teams like Kansas City, Reed, Mahomes, Kelsey, now they have to rework their offensive line. But Chris Jones, now those defensive players who were young three years ago, they know the system was spags. So like Kansas City, the preseason to me feels kind of irrelevant. Just stay healthy. Your thought, are there a couple of teams you look at and think, yeah, the next three weeks matter a lot.
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Unknown
Detroit, I mean, I don't think we're understanding how hard it's going to be for Detroit to overcome all the losses that they've had. I mean, they losing your offensive and defensive coordinator, that's not nothing. You know, not really being sure who the five starters are up front. Like, that's not nothing. Now listen, they get an extra week, they get an extra preseason. You know, they get with the hall of Fame game and all that. But now they're also battling that, like sort of attrition. So I think that still, like, to me, the teams that have a lot of change, you know, there's other teams around the league that have a lot of new pieces. I'll say, like the New England Patriots as an example. Maybe the, you know, maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers, people that have new people. And so having time on task is also important. Like, Aaron Rodgers showed up late. Is it a big deal? Like, no, it's not a big deal. But this is, this is not what training camp was like when I first got into the NFL. When I first got into the NFL, you know, you'd hear players talk in the locker room. They'd say, hey, I'm going to play myself into shape in training camp. And I got the preseason. By the start of the season, I'll be in shape. Like, that's just not how it is anymore. Like the, it's, it's, it's OTAs, it's minicamp. It's that off season time, the five or six weeks before training camp. It's training camp, it's joint practices. So it's a different NFL. And when you're not in pads until like this short window in training camp with 1A days, not 2A days, I think it's tougher for continuity for coordinators and O linemen.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So this question is one that you can singularly answer that I really can't. So I said, one of the things that's fascinating, if I look at Jaden Daniels, I could say from just one year, he's either going to be really good or a legend. I look at Bo Nix and I'm like, he's either going to be good or really good. May not be a legend. I look at Caleb Williams and there's a lot of outcomes. Wow. Or yeah, this didn't work at all. And because there are some habits, he holds on to the ball too long. He kind of misses on some easy stuff. You were one of the few people that came out last year and said it's not all of the coaches, some of this. But I. Here's my thing, Matt. I think his flaws are correctable. Like Lamar Jackson got really good in the pocket. His pocket presence, it wasn't good the first two years. It's really good the last three. Josh Allen accuracy bad to really good. I think that's Caleb. I think his. I think he is. His weaknesses are coachable. A Do you agree and what will you see in the first month that could concern you with all this new staff and all these new players?
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Unknown
Yeah, I agree that those things are fixable. I would also say the guys you mentioned, Lamar and Josh Allen, they were otherworldly and elite and something else. As you work through some of their, you know, maturity as they're a young quarterback growing up. I think the thing for Caleb is that the excuses are now gone. Like, they have done a great job. Ryan Poles has done a great job of building this roster around him, building this coaching staff around him. Now it's all up to him to be a fulfillment of what they thought he was going to be when they made him the first pick overall. He's got everything that he needs. He's got maybe the premier quarterback whisperer coming out that was available this year. He's got everything he needs. I think the thing that's going to happen for him this year, the pressure and the heat will turn up on him if guys like Jaden Daniels and Bo Nix and Drake May and J.J. mcCarthy and some of these other guys in his draft class do really, really well. Fair or not fair, that'll be the standard that he gets measured against. So, you know, I think as those guys go, I think that'll have a. That'll have an effect on what people think about Caleb in year two.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So Nick Saban. There's two people I trust, Lane Kiffin and Greg McElroy, who both hinted at Saban returning. I don't think he's going back to college because nil money. Universities now have to raise 15 million for nil. They'd have to buy out their coach, pay SABAN, it'd be $100 million check. And outside of Texas, I don't think anybody or Phil Knight Nike money could afford that. So I think he's going to go to the NFL. Do you think it would work this time for Saban?
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Unknown
Yeah, I think it could work. Like the reality of the NFL is that most of the guys in the NFL, most of the players are in years one, two or three. It's a very young league right now. You have some outliers and quarterbacks, some guys that are old, but the most of the roster is young. So he would know these guys maybe as well as anybody. And I think the respect is certainly there. The challenge in my mind is for a guy like that going from Alabama to the NFL, you're not going to have a better roster than all the guys you play. Like, that's just not going to be the fat, you know, that's not going to be how it is in the NFL. And then the other thing is like understanding how to deal with a franchise quarterback in the NFL is going to be very different than college. You can't necessarily talk to him that way. You can't go musical chairs if you feel like switching a guy at halftime. It rarely works in the NFL. So I think that would probably be the biggest adjustment. But in terms of respect, knowledge of the game, the staff that he could acquire, I mean, it would be Belichick esque in my mind, if you were to get him as a, as an NFL head coach.
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Matt Hasselbeck
All right, finally, Aaron Rodgers, 41. Go to your last two camps. What was the advantage of being the old guy in camp and what was the disadvantage?
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Unknown
Well, the big perk I remember I was, I got my own bed, I got two twin beds moved together next to Adam Venateri, who was the oldest guy on the team, I was the second guy. Second oldest. But between me, Vinnie and like Reggie Wayne, like the old guys get that perk, you know, I think camps are just so different now. Like for Aaron Rodgers, you know, I remember Brett Favre was older in his career. When I first started, we threw twice a day. Two a days were a thing. Now with the new cba, there is no such thing as two a day. So for a thrower, training camp's really not that hard. You throw once a day. And like I've said many times, like for Aaron Rodgers this year, he can make all the throws. Like when he's 50 years old, he'll be able to make all the throws. What has to change for him is in his mind, he probably thinks he can move around in the pocket like he always could. And that's just not the case. He cannot, he's not as, he's not as mobile. He's not. He doesn't have that escapability. So he's going to have to change his game and rely basically, I would say, much more just on his brain, his eyes and his arm and this sort of forget the, the legs part of it. And I think that's why Tom Brady did such a great job late in his career, because he never really relied on his legs or escapability. Moving too far out of the pocket, that'll be an adjustment for a rod. He can certainly do it. But again, you kind of almost just got to flip your mind a little bit and, and win a different way.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You know, you're. You still live in Nashville, right?
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Unknown
Correct.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Okay. I was sitting this weekend and somebody on the Internet, I apologize, I forget who it was, but they said, in the last 20 years, has there ever been a number one pick that has gotten less publicity and discussion than Cam Ward? And I'm like, oh my God, it's incredible because last year's class was so profound and we're still waiting to see if Pennix can play and if JJ McCarthy can play and if Caleb could play. We're still paying attention to last year's class and I'm like, Cam Ward, not only is Tennessee, the Titans, a little bit of an anonymous franchise, there's no talk. So you're down there, you can read the paper. What do you hear about this kid?
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Unknown
It's all about high school football down here, Colin. You know, it's Friday Night Lights, man. You know, and then you got SEC football on Saturdays. It's like there's, there's like no energy. You know, you got church on Sunday. By the time you get to a titans game at 1 o' clock or 12 o' clock on a Sunday, no, they're, they're, listen, they're, they're one of the teams in the witness protection program of the NFL. Like, they have to do something bad to get a headline. Like, that's just how it is. And having been on teams that were like that in Seattle for a lot of my career, it's okay. As a player, like, it's good. You're all about the ball, you're all about the football. You're not all about the, you know, the drama. And I don't think that's bad for a young quarterback. I really don't. I have seen a young quarterback, first pick overall, literally come out of a quarter and call a timeout on the first play of the game and like, there was no headline. I remember getting online being like, oh my gosh, people are going to be ripping him for this. Even said anything. And like, you can't do that playing for the jets or the Cowboys or the, you know, these other teams. Like, you just can't. So it's not the worst place to be as a young quarterback to kind of have some growing pains and be in the shadows just a little bit. But everything that I've heard here is everyone's very, very excited about him as a player.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Matt Hasselbeck, man, you just brought your A game today, buddy. I appreciate it. Thanks for stopping by.
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Unknown
I'm sweating right off the practice field, you know, so we got to, you know, got to get in shape as coaches too here.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Here we go. Matt Hasselbeck, our guy, 18 years in the NFL. Former six round pick at a Boston College for the Green Bay Packers. Had a great career. Yeah, it's. And I don't remember where I read it, but I'm like, nobody is talking about Cam Ward. I mean, think about year two, the pressure on JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix because of the cousin situation. Raheem Morris has to win this year. In year two, Penix has pressure. Cam Ward's like invisible. What an advantage for him.
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