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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
I got to lie, I'm going to be a little ornery today. Colin Little upset.
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Colin Cowherd
Season's over.
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Jason McIntyre
It's done. Pacers Thunder Feel the excitement in the Finals.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, listen, this series, this series has come down to two players, the two point guards and the most overrated player in the league has bested the clutch player in the league, Tyrese Halliburton. A performance for the ages. It doesn't even sound right. 32 points, 15 assists, 10 rebounds, 0 turnovers. Never been done in the playoffs against the Knicks team known for defense with a legendary defensive coach. I said it yesterday. Brunson may be the better pure closer, but Halliburton's a starter, the best middle reliever and a closer. It's the entire package. And I don't really see this as a New York failure. It's another close game. I see it as the ascension of a rock star in this league. This was Tyrese Halliburton's Magnus Opus. The Pacers are now 11 3. In playoffs, they're 11 3. They're only three losses. Otherwise, they're 11 and 0. Their only three losses are game three losses when they lead 2 0. So they take their foot like any pro athlete would, a little off the gas. That's it. Otherwise, they're 11 and 0. And the Pacers, the front office has done a great job to surround Halliburton with players that can run with him. And it's empowering. I mean, how good does Pascal Siakam looked now. I mean, what's amazing about Halliburton, he doesn't even lead the Pacers in usage rate. That's insane for 32 points and 15 assists. And again, no turnovers. With Brunson the great closer. A lot of times Nick players are standing around watching him work his guy and get that great shot and you can feel uninvolved. I mean, Halliburton had 32 last night. I don't remember that much scoring. I remember the pace, I remember the assists. Indy did what they do. They turned it into a track meet. And every game in which they've controlled pace, they've won. Not just against the Knicks, against Milwaukee and against Cleveland and now against the Knicks. I still like New York a lot. I think they need to tweak it. I go Katie over Katie, but I love Indy. This is about Indy. Very rarely if Halliburton is on the floor do they even get bad half court possessions. That's hard in the NBA and that's. And that second half got a little bit sloppy. But they're a high tempo up and down ball movement. Who would not want to play with Halliburton? It feels Indy feels like one of those young tech companies that are like collaborative and empowering and you can bring your dog to work and people want to work there forever. That's what they feel like. I mean the fact that even one NBA player suggested, forget voted, suggested that Halliburton is overrated. I mean again, look at Pascal Siakam who's always been a good player. He looks like he should be first team all NBA. Look at Rick Carlisle, a forgotten coach. Now he looks like he's an innovator and one of the more creative offensive geniuses. And I've known Rick for years. He's always been an excellent coach and a great guy. But this is what magic or Michael or Halliburton can do to a coach. He accentuates all your skills as a coach. The reality too, with Indy here. New York may be better, but you could argue they've peaked. Indy's only getting better. They have a very friendly cap sheet. They have to figure out what to do with a good player. Not great Miles Turner. They're not quite sure what to do. But this is a young and improving and ascending roster that quickly and easily disposed of Milwaukee, favored Milwaukee, of favored Cleveland and now of the Knicks. And here's Halliburton. After just trying to be aggressive, trying to respond, I felt like I let the team down in Game 3.
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Tyrese Halliburton
So it's important for me to come out here and just make plays and, you know, God's put me in a position to make plays and trying to.
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Colin Cowherd
Play my game and, man, it's a big win for us.
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Jason McIntyre
Did dad in the building have anything to do with that?
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Colin Cowherd
Hell, yeah. Yeah.
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Tyrese Halliburton
Yeah. I'm glad Pops in the building, man, makes it that much more sweet and.
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Colin Cowherd
Just something to remind you of how special last night was. I'm just. I'm totally taken by the fact he has no turnovers to play at this pace. Never turn it over. 30 points, 15 assists and 10 rebounds in a single game in playoff history. The other players who have done it are MVPs and champions. Oscar Robertson twice and the Joker in Denver. That's what we're talking about. And he was voted by players a handful. Is the most overrated player in the league. Again, the NBA fans and media too often celebrate dynamic what they don't celebrate. Remember LeBron used to get crushed for this because he wouldn't always take the final shot. And LeBron, who I defended, would say, other people are open. That's what Phil Jackson finally, finally convinced Michael Jordan to do. Get it to Paxson, get it to Kerr. If guys are open, get the better open shot. It was when Michael finally embraced that that he became a legend. LeBron did it out of high school. That's Halliburton. He'll drop 30, have 15 assists, and you don't remember the points as much as the assists and the pace. Everybody on this team is playing a notch above who they are. I love Carlisle, but that's about Halliburton. Okay, so Terry Bradshaw, Fox Sports, long time former Steeler great, four rings. Was asked on a radio station. We've got the. We got the audio here about his former team, the Steelers, potentially signing Aaron Rodgers. That's a joke. He shouldn't. They. That is just to me is a joke. What, are you going to bring him in for one year? Are you kidding me?
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Tyrese Halliburton
I mean, that's not the Steelers way, right?
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Colin Cowherd
No, man. That guy needs to stay in California. Don't wear and chew on bark and risk it to the gods out there. By the way, I've had an epiphany. I'll get to that in a second. So it should be noted as Aaron doesn't have a team yet. Josh Allen on a team with much less turnover. The Buffalo Bills. Josh Allen in his prime, better at this point, arguably better. Ever more committed, is at his team's ota. Aaron doesn't have a Team I was thinking about this morning. Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers have something in common. Neither take the duty of quarterback with great urgency. Both the Steelers and Aaron have a. Yeah, we'll get to it eventually. Yeah, yeah, I'll sign with the team eventually. We'll figure out the quarterback eventually. I mean think about San Francisco and Kyle Shanahan. They just signed Brock Purdy to a massive deal and yet this year in the draft, Kyle says, I want another quarterback and they draft a kid out of Indiana. A little bit of a semi. You know, Brock Purdy clone ish lot of snaps in college. They're already looking for another quarterback. The Green Bay packers, you all know this. They draft quarterbacks three years before they let them on the field. The Pittsburgh Steelers lost their left tackle, their two quarterbacks, their top receiver and a really good running back in Najee Harris. And their answer is, I think Aaron's our quarterback. We're not really sure. I mean, I mean the Steelers have become the 66 year old guy who's never put a penny in his 401k and is trying to convince us. Listen, I've got a plan. Believe you me, I'm all good here. So at this point I have an epiphany. I have been saying Aaron and the Steelers is a bad fit. I'm wrong. It's a great fit. I mean, in life, what's the rule, you got to find somebody that matches your energy. The Steelers at quarterback. We'll get to it. Aaron on committing maybe later. I am here for it. The Steelers and Aaron Rodgers are a little Rodman, Carmen Electra, they're a little Tom Arnold, Roseanne Barr, Angelina Jolie, Billy Bob. I am here for the dysfunction. I mean the whole time I've been like, this is a weird fit. Not really. For the record, there's a reason the Steelers now are near the top in the NFL in longest playoff wind droughts. They're at eight years now. They're not the Dolphins or the Raiders or the jets, but they're creeping up the most important position. And it always was quarterback, it was always a head coach, quarterback league. But more than ever, it's much easier to predict who's going to win divisions, especially in the Steelers afc. Who's got the best quarterback and does he have a good offensive coach and do they treat the position with importance and urgency? Steelers don't. Aaron doesn't. I'm wrong. It's a match made in heaven. All right, J Mac, we have a lot of stuff today. Greg Olson stopping by really Interesting story here in Chicago. So they're having the OTAs and you know, Caleb has said I want to be coached hard. Apparently Ben Johnson is coaching him hard. So we'll get to that. I know you're a little bummed out about the Knicks, but does it make it feel better that you are witnessing an all time series by an ascending star?
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Jason McIntyre
No, not at all. What are you talking how all of a sudden there's major like issues with the Knicks. This Brunson towns combo through four games together on the court, it's -24. All of a sudden the spotlight's on the Knicks and it's like, whoa, do these two even work together again next year? Or have the Pacers unlocked something that the Celtics did not see, that the Pistons didn't see? And now it's like, well, do we keep towns or do we move them? I like, I'm a little nervous for the next this offseason. I think the Giannis chatter is going to be back in play pretty quickly if they lose game five.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, Giannis would obviously make them better. I don't know if they have the pieces, but I, I think KD is a much easier list. And I've said this for the last three days, is that this series is, it's actually can be great because I don't think that I said this the last two days. The Knicks are not a championship team. They've got holes and a better team is showing you what the holes are. It's not a gaping hole. It's that they need a catch and shoot score. Kd not a guy that needs the ball to score and moves Brunson out of the way. Cat, the reason they don't work together A, they're poor defenders. So simultaneously Halliburton is abusing them if they're ever both on the court. And secondly, Cat needs the ball. He's one of the few bigs that gets the ball out top and then drives in. Doesn't really need a pass or an assist. He can kind of break it down and do it himself. The problem is then Brunson is inactive in the offensive half court set. So it's, I think what happens when you lose. Why did we lose? That's, that's what a good NFL team does or a good NBA team. What is it? It's not the coach. It's not Brunson. Brunson. Brunson's your lead. You've got to find some Mitchell Robinson's actually great for what he is. Hartenstein would have Been great. But Cat doesn't work for two reasons. And it's on display.
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Jason McIntyre
You say it's the coach. I mean, they're going to have options. The Knicks can say, hey, let's bring in kd, let's go after Giannis. Or they could say, we love our team. Let's run it back with Michael Malone as head coach instead of Thibodeau.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't think that's the solution. All these games have come down to the last four minutes and they're losing them.
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Jason McIntyre
They blew game one like you. I don't know, man. Maybe I'm just a despondent.
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Colin Cowherd
You don't blow out Lamar Jackson or John Harbaugh because you lose close to the Bills of the Chiefs. You try to find other areas to improve. You don't get rid of your foundational bedrock A plus pieces. Tibbs isn't the issue. The issue is the roster construction. Remember, Bridges has been really good. Towns solved an issue. They needed a second score and they didn't trust Julius Randle, who, by the way, can disappear in spots. Cat is a more natural offensive player, so he was an upgrade over Randle. But it's always been steps in this league. So it's always about find the coach for your star. And then it's can you find complimentary pieces. Cat was an upgrade over Randle. KD is an upgrade over. Based on styles, catch and shoot. He's an upgrade over Cat.
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Jason McIntyre
And so you're saying, Jason, calm down. Jason Tatum's out next year, it's basically Pacers, Knicks, maybe the Pistons and the Cavs in the East. And why can't the Knicks get right back?
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Colin Cowherd
That's right.
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Jason McIntyre
To the Finals.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no need.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. It's just been a series of smart steps. Randall to Kat and now try to get. You know you're going to have to give up if you give up Kat to get KD and I'm the Knicks, I want a draft pick. I want something beyond that. It's just not. It's not. It's not because Cat is younger, but it's worth considering. Get help turning your home into cash with Rocket Mortgage. Call 1-800-4Rocket to learn how your home can help fund a renovation, pay off consolidated high interest debt. Call 804Rocket or visit Rocket.com RocketMortgage LLC license in all 50 states. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Greg Olson
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Colin Cowherd
Summer is here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some french fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. 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They want him for him to improve on two things. Number one body language and number two pre snap procedure. So I've always been I think body language is a really big deal. I don't care if you're a mayor, I don't care if you're a CEO. I don't care if you're a quarterback. I'm glad this is mentioned and I'm glad Ben Johnson cares about this. So this is according to Albert Breer. They want to improve on body language and they want to improve on pre snap improvement. So I think those are totally legitimate. In fact, one of the rare criticisms I had of Caleb in college he could be moody. I saw it when he played Oregon State up in Corvallis. He eventually won the game with a great dot down the sideline to Jordan Addison. But on the sideline he had to be counseled and consoled by Lincoln Riley. He got a little bit moody and kind of checked out and that's okay. He's an emotional kid. I think ideally you'd want your quarterback to be Jalen hurts, stoic. You could be fiery, but you can't be pouty. You can be aggressive, but you can't have an attitude and I thought that Oregon State game, it was a little bit of hey man, we need you to check back in body language matters. So I think it needs to be worked on. He came back in that game. By the way, there's the winning touchdown to Jordan Addison of the pre snap concerns. I think had he had a better head coach his rookie year in the NFL. If he had heroded Kyle Shanahan, we wouldn't talk about that. I think some of that comes with experience. I mean, Mahomes had Andy Reid, it still took him two and three years. So I think he'll get better at that. I think a lot of that was just he didn't have a very good coaching staff. And at usc, Caleb Williams, I don't think his last year at USC trusted the O line. He shouldn't have. And so it was a lot of hero ball and him ad libbing and I don't think Lincoln Riley necessarily trusted the O line. So he let Caleb Williams ad lib and call his own shots. I think he'll be fine there. What I do find with a lot of the great quarterbacks of all time, Peyton Manning's like this. They think like accountants, precision, details, almost mathy. Caleb's a creative. He's a creative. Mahomes is a creative and that's fine. It takes a special coach to coach a creative. It takes Andy Reid. Okay, is Ben Johnson, Andy Reid? I don't know. Is Ben Johnson a great quarterback coach as a head coach like Sean Payton or Kyle Shanahan or Andy Reid? I don't know. I think so. But I know that Caleb Williams said, I want to be coached hard. And this is interesting. This comes from Adam Hoge, Adam Hoag, I think so. At the OTAs, the story is that Ben Johnson has been ripping Cole Comet for some mental mistakes. He also, it's interesting, according to Adam that what appeared to be the best throw of the day, when Caleb hit DJ Moore deep down the left sideline, it was probably more like a deep out. And Caleb came back toward Ben Johnson, the rookie coach. And Ben Johnson said, yeah, you can't do that. That's coaching. So Caleb Williams, I was expecting, I was hoping that Ben Johnson's impact would be immediate. The impact has not quite been immediate. So again, I think when you're coaching creatives and Lamar is a creative, Mahomes is creative. Steve Young was one of the first I ever saw that. I'm like, oh, Brett Favre was a bit of a creative. They're harder to coach. Go ask Mike Holmgren. What coaching Brett Favre is like, you got to embrace it. It's a fine line between Jon Gruden, that's John Gruden when he was an assistant about coaching Favre. It's really, really hard. It takes a great coach, not a good coach. And Caleb didn't have that last year. You hope he has it, but Matt Hasselbeck says don't expect miracles in September.
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Tyrese Halliburton
I don't think, you know, right away. I mean, Troy Aikman started out really poorly his rookie year. Like, they, they didn't do well. Peyton Manning, you know, he, I think he might have led the league in interceptions. Eli Manning got bench for Kurt Warner. Like, there's all these stories of young quarterbacks. It doesn't start out well. At the end of the year, I think a decision will be made on him one way or the other. And I and it's to say, if you watch the film, he's off to a very, very slow start.
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Colin Cowherd
Last year, JMac said the Bears will be the most interesting team in the league, and they were for about four games. I actually do think, because we now have a young quarterback with a really sharp offensive coach. And I think everybody needs a kingmaker in life. You could be a mayor, you could be a lawyer. Everybody needs a kingmaker. Bo. Nick's got his. Jaden Daniels have Cliff Kingsbury got his. Caleb had his at Oklahoma and usc. He had Lincoln Riley. He had his kingmaker. And so to pull all that talent out now, can Ben do it? Can Ben do it with the Bears? We'll see. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We, we like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
- [28:02]
Greg Olson
Recently, a new client called me and started by saying, Mr. Morgan, I really need your help, but I'm just a nobody. Those words stunned me and I immediately called him back. And we're now helping him and his family after a terrible accident. I'm John Morgan of Morgan and Morgan. Everybody who comes to our firm at their time of need is a somebody. I grew up poor, but my grandmother was like a queen to us. At Morgan and Morgan, our goal is to level the playing field for you and your family at your time of need. The insurance company has unlimited money and resources. You need a firm who can fight them toe to toe for right at 30 years, we have fought them in courtrooms throughout America. Our results speak for themselves. And always remember this, everybody is a somebody and nobody is a nobody. Visit forthepeople.com to learn about our firm, Morgan and Morgan. For the people injured, visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [29:02]
Colin Cowherd
Summer is here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake, That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some French fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn or it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. At the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate the all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance, while its sleek design exudes innovative style from the inside out, not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space, the IX is completely changing the game with an all electric suv. The greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of the game, so why would you settle for anything less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine Electrified Interested in investing in Bitcoin but not sure how to get started? Well, with the Gemini Credit card you can dip your toes into Bitcoin without even trying. Just spend like you normally do groceries, gas or a night out and instantly earn up to 4% back in Bitcoin or one of over 50 other cryptos straight to your account with no annual fee. The Gemini Credit card is pretty much a no brainer and right now you can grab a $200 bitcoin intro bonus. So go to gemini.com card to learn more and start earning today. Terms apply. Again, go to gemini.com card start building your Bitcoin stash now. Terms apply. The Gemini Credit Card is issued by Web Bank. In order to qualify for the intro $200 crypto bonus, your application must be approved by June 30, 2025 and spend $3,000 in your first 90 days. Terms apply. Some exclusions apply to instant rewards in which rewards are deposited when the transaction posts this content is not investment advice and Trading. Crypto involves risk. For more details on rates, fees and other Gemini credit card terms, see rates and fees. Hour 2 Indiana Pacers have taken control of the series. Indiana has played 14 playoff games. They're 03 in game threes when they lead 20 when they've taken control of the series. Winning on the road at Milwaukee, at Cleveland, at New York, they go into the other team's place, steal both games. They come home foot on the gas, lets off a little and they've lost one game in each series. Game three. That's it. Otherwise they're 110 in the urgency games. Games one and two, four, five, six, they're 11 and oh and Halliburton stat line last night. Maybe the most impressive thing I've ever seen in my life. 32, 15, 10 and no turnovers. That is beyond hyper efficiency. That is insane. That'd be like an NFL. That's what Jaden Daniels did last year when he would go like 30 of 34 with no turnovers. What it's just, it's incredible against the defensive coach and a defensive team. And the other thing is, and you saw this with Magic Johnson. You see this with a truly great point guard. You see this with Chris Paul. Remember when Chris Paul was in LA, like Blake Griffin was like, is he a top three or four player in the league? And DeAndre Jordan was nothing but buckets. And then Chris Paul leaves those two players and they're not the same players. You see all the holes in their game. I like Pascal Siakam. He looks all NBA first team playing with Halliburton. 32, 15, 10 and no turnovers. Here's Hallie after. I feel like we making up stats.
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Tyrese Halliburton
At some point to make me look better.
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Colin Cowherd
I was just trying to be aggressive.
- [33:43]
Tyrese Halliburton
Man, just trying to play my best.
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Colin Cowherd
I felt like I let the team.
- [33:47]
Tyrese Halliburton
Down in game three, felt like I could have been so much better.
- [33:51]
Colin Cowherd
So I felt like I responded the right way today. The only time I haven't liked Indiana in this series was when they had Halliburton off the floor end of the third quarter in game three and the start of the fourth, and they lost their rhythm. And this is a rhythm team and it's a rhythm team because of Halliburton. And then he came back in, he got them back on track, but it just, it felt like they lost their mojo. So like every time he goes to the bench, if Brunson goes to the bench, Cat can score more. The Knicks don't necessarily go into a cave. Halliburton's off the floor. It's like, it's like white knuckle time. You're like, okay, all right, let's make sure this thing works. He is all time special. I love watching him play and I think he's a great personality. With that, Greg Olson joining us live. Fourteen years in the NFL. Fox Sports analyst, Great, great broadcaster. By the way, tight end. University is back its fifth year in Nashville in June 23rd to the 26th. I want to ask you about that because part of what you do, which I think is the most under discussed part of your sport, is film study. And Caleb Williams was recently quoted talking about the Bears, a team you played for and loved playing for. He's like, yeah, I'd watched film alone and I don't, you know, I'm not in those rooms. When you hear that he watched film alone, what was your interpretation of that? How's that land for you?
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Tyrese Halliburton
Yeah, it lands as you would expect. It's just, it's hard for me to Believe that that was the case. And I'm not saying he's not being genuine. I've been in three different organizations, multiple different head coaches, multiple different quarterback. I've never heard of a guy not having the opportunity to watch film with his position coach, let alone the quarterback. Not, you know, between the quarterback coach, the offensive coordinator, someone there. It's hard for me to believe that the organization would let their young rookie watch film by himself. But with that being said, yeah. It is, though, an element of the sport that there is a little bit of a learning curve. I don't think most young guys coming out of college, unless you just happen to be playing for, you know, the right coach, the right position coach, coordinator, whoever at the college level to teach you the art of film study. I think we used to have a joke like, we're not in here watching movies, right? There's a lot of guys that put the game on play one, and they just go play one, play to play three, and they just go through the sequence of a game, you know, yes, you're watching film. Are you really getting the tendencies and really know what you're looking at to study? My experience is most guys have to learn that. Most guys have to learn that over the career. How I watched film in my 14th year was wildly different than how I watched it my first and second year. And I think it's up to the organization, it's up to the coach, especially at the quarterback position, where there is no greater responsibility than understanding not only everything of what your team's doing, but of course, what the opposing team is doing defensively. So I can't imagine Ben Johnson's gonna let that go on at all. So I think for Caleb Williams and his development, the right guy now is in control in Chicago, both over the team and then obviously offensively with what Ben Johnson can do. But yeah, when I. When I read that report, I kind of did a. Ooh, like true, not true. Scales of truth, whatever. There's always probably two sides to every story. But just the fact that that was even suggested is not a great. Is not a great reflection of the organization, for sure.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, did you and Cam, for instance, film study? Would you sit down with Cam and go, dude, this guy. This guy in the flats we like. Is that a real thing?
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Tyrese Halliburton
Oh, absolutely. So we had a great routine, so it was actually kind of fun. So most of the meetings from when we got there in the morning were all controlled by the coaches. It was small group meetings, offensive install. Then we'd have practice Then we'd have post practice review where we'd watch the practice film so there was opportunities to, you know, hey, coach, take a second, Cam. Here's why I ran this flat. Here's why. And you're watching practice film or you're watching and the opportunity to go, but there's 35 guys in the room. It's not really the opportunity for the two of you to have your own conversation. But then at the end of the day when everything officially with the coaches ended, the tight end and the quarterback room in Carolina were right next to each other. We literally shared a wall. So he'd be in his room with some of the quarterbacks and I'd be doing. Sometimes I liked being by myself at the end of the day just for my own prep and notes and whatnot. And I knew he was right next door. So I would pop over and be like, hey, I need you to come take a look at this and say, hey, look at the way the safety's hips. Are you okay? If I take this a couple yards deeper, am I going to throw off your timing? And most of the time, Cam was just like, get open, I'm good. But then sometimes he'd be like, I can't hold it that long, or it messes up with my timing of my footwork, or I don't like the way your body language looks on there because you kind of fooled me. I wasn't sure when you were going to come out of your break. I need less at the top. So, like that dialogue in meetings on the field was non stop. And when you could play with one guy for as long as we did over time, I knew his answer before I even had to ask him and vice versa because we had talked through so many scenarios over so many days, you know, for those nine years together.
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Colin Cowherd
So Cam was a mover. Caleb's a mover. Cam Ward is a mover. Like, I like Cam a lot and I think Tennessee could be a playoff team. Tell the audience when you do have Caleb Williams and he can ad lib now, I think the Bears online is better. He won't have to do it as much. But some of these guys like Cam, Cam Warden, Caleb, they're just naturally gifted. It's like if you have a great voice, you sing in the shower. Like that's just the reality of their game. When you have a mobile quarterback, does it make it harder for tight ends and does it make it harder in film studies so much as ad libbed?
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Tyrese Halliburton
That's a great question. So I think what we're seeing right now in the NFL is you can't play, I should say within certainty, the vast majority of guys cannot play NFL quarterback if you don't have some level of improv, right? Some level of playing off script, off platform, all the words, the buzzwords that get thrown around, but the ability to buy time, escape pocket pressure and still stay active as a quarterback and not always just rely on being a runner, stay active as a passer. I mean, now you also can't only play off script, you can't only play improv quarterback. At the NFL, there's no timing, there's no rhythm. The tackles don't know your depth of your drop, the guards don't know the depth of the pocket. Am I blocking for you to be at five and a half yards or are you going to be outside the hash marks running with your life? If I'm a quarterback, if I'm a wide receiver or a tight end, I need to know at the top of my break, when I get my head around, am I looking to find you behind the center at 7 yards or is there a chance that you've already broken, contain and you're outside the pocket? And now I need to get into scramble drill. So there is a balance to it all. You can't just stand in one spot and be a statue in today's NFL. And you also can't just play recess football running around. It's not sustainable. So I think that blend of don't take what's special out of these guys, don't take it out of their game. If you have the ability to move and improvise, encourage them to do it, but just give them boundaries, give them parameters of saying, okay, I need you to hit your fifth step of your drop and it's a progression pass or it's a half field read or whatever the play calls for after you've exhausted all of that, if the opportunity there is to extend and create plays outside the rhythm of the game, we're never going to take you away. But it can't be hit your back foot and run around because we can't support you doing that every single play. From a protection and a route concept. So there is a little give and take and I think that's something that Ben Johnson has proven. He's coached multiple different types of quarterbacks. He had a guy in golf who really was stationary in rhythm, in timing. Get the ball out of his hand, he will have a little bit of a different flavor. For a guy like Caleb, where he does get that rhythm progression passer in the offense because you need it. But then also encourage him to use his athleticism because it is very challenging for defenses to play off script and.
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Colin Cowherd
Defend that long before I get to the tight end. You the tush push. You know, as a guy that was a willing blocker, my guess was you like it. Do you like the tush push?
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Tyrese Halliburton
I do. I think it would be extremely unfair and wrong to Philadelphia who has really some teams have done it here and there. No one has even come remotely close to doing it as efficiently as often and used it as such a fabric of their offensive philosophy from how they manage third downs knowing they got a yard and a half in their back pocket, how they call first and second down plays knowing they have a fourth down in their back pocket, goal to go situations like it is a not just a play. It is really a centerpiece of the entire fabric philosophy that Sirianni has built with that offense and Jalen hurts. So I think to remove that from a team who has found a play that they're uniquely good at just because the rest of the league is tired of trying to find ways to defend it, I don't agree with. My gut tells me they are going to eventually ban it. I think it came so close this year at the owner's meeting. My typically those things don't come back. They typically continue to move forward in getting the other side to flip. I hope I'm wrong because I think Philly has earned the right to use that in their offense. I don't think the linemen love doing it. I don't think they love being at the bottom of the pile on, you know, seven times a game, five times a game. But when you're winning Super Bowls and you tell me I got to mush a guy out of there and get my back right, I'll do that. I'll do that to win the Super Bowl. So I, I'll be curious to see.
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Colin Cowherd
How it plays out finally. I think, you know, people were complaining a couple years ago about, you know, running backs don't make any money. It's unfair. And my take has been, well, tight ends have been underpaid my entire life. They have to block the best athlete on defense and they have to catch. They have to do most of the dirty work and then they're one of the last positions. I guess this has changed that you can really take a shot at as a defensive player. So when you have your Nashville tight end university and you have all these young guys in what is Something you preach to young tight ends. A high school tight end, it's not all catching. Like is there something that. Do you deliver a message, a harsh message to all these young tight ends that I wouldn't think about?
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Tyrese Halliburton
Yeah. And it's actually a very simple message. And you know, we get into route running and we got Kelsey given, you know, really high level coverage recognition and how to use leverage and breaking and finding space and a lot of this stuff, I kind of look and I laugh and I'm like, Kelsey, like not everyone can do what you're talking about right now because it's, it's super advanced and him and Mahomes and then you got Kittle talking run game and, and footwork and hand placement and fight and you know, these guys are just so unique, but obviously they have a lot of experience and a lot of understanding of the position. But the message that we try to deliver, at least the one I try to deliver to all of our guys, to your point, is the, the best opportunity to have success at tight end, especially at a higher level, is to be able to be trusted to be on the field on every snap. And that's going to be your best case for production catches, yards, opportunities, how much you get paid, the impact on the offense, all of it. If you, you could be the best pass catching tight end in football or the best run blocking tight end in football. But if I can only use that, I can only use you in package of the offense at times where those skill sets are warranted. You still are going to play in the NFL. You are still going to be able to find a roster spot because those skills have value. But if you want to be a legit guy, you want to catch 80 balls, you want to have a thousand yards. The only reason I ever caught a thousand yards, Colin, was because I knew I went into every game and there was like four to six real routes downfield, 20 plus yards that were designed for me. But of that four to six, I needed the right protection, the right play call. Did the play ever get called in the first place against the right coverage and then did I catch? It was the throat. There's so many factors of those four to six, if I got two or three of those, that was a great day. But now you got three catches for 55 yards. But now I caught a flat route, I caught a first and second down check down because I'm on the field. I caught a short yardage goal, a short yardage pass, a goal line pass, and next thing you know I'd finish with 7 for 90. And it wasn't the flashy play. So if I'm only on the field for the flashy plays, I never catch the easy ones. And if I'm only good enough to be on the field and goal line and short yardage because I'm a blocker, I don't catch a third and eight, dig across the middle for 25. So being on the field and providing value to your team, no matter the down and distance, you're not looking to the sideline. What personnel package are they calling? If I'm on the huddle every single play, even if I'm not the best at anything, my ability to raise my value and raise my earnings, my production, all of it go up. So that's our message to them. Be good enough at everything, and it's a much easier road.
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Colin Cowherd
Great stuff. Great broadcaster. Fox Sports. It's Tight End U. It's In Nashville, the 23rd through the 26th. A great American city in Tennessee. Good seeing you, my man.
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Tyrese Halliburton
Good seeing you, man. Have a great summer.
- [47:32]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. See, J. Mac, if you did more than just jack up threes, if you could defend a little, if you could occasionally screen like Greg Olson talked about, you could be on the floor in key spots. Not just jacking up threes. When your team's down, you do.
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Jason McIntyre
I know you like to take jabs at my hoops game, but I'll just say I've signed up for the most competitive hoops league I've ever joined. There's a large money to the winner in this league this summer. My wife doesn't even know about it. I'm just telling you right now.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, because money is a real issue for you. You're not compensated.
- [48:01]
Jason McIntyre
Well, listen, you know, everybody can use a little raise every now and then, Mr. Coward.
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Colin Cowherd
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