Best of The Herd

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – "Best of The Herd" (Released May 20, 2025)

The "Best of The Herd" episode of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" provides an in-depth exploration of the current landscape in professional and collegiate sports. Hosted by Colin Cowherd from iHeartPodcasts and The Volume, this episode delves into the dynamics of the NBA, NFL, and college football, featuring insightful analysis and notable interviews.

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1. NBA Playoffs and Adam Silver's Vision for Parity

Timestamp: [02:50] – [13:51]

Colin Cowherd kicks off the episode by discussing the onset of the NBA playoffs, emphasizing the trend of dominance by a select few teams. He highlights that the last seven NBA champions include teams like the Raptors, Lakers, Bucks, Warriors, Nuggets, and Celtics, suggesting that the league isn't as balanced as some fans might hope.

Adam Silver's Quote:
"I see my goal as helping the league, I call it for shorthand, to become more NFL like... Players and teams should think, I'm a fan of the game. This is the best basketball being played by definition, because this team has gone to the conference finals."
— Adam Silver [11:41]

Cowherd explores Adam Silver's aspirations to infuse the NBA with greater parity, drawing comparisons to the NFL's competitive balance. He argues that the NBA's perceived parity is more of an illusion, with real balance appearing limited outside of the playoffs. Silver's initiatives, such as unraveling Collective Bargaining Agreements (CBAs) and enforcing more equitable team compositions, are discussed as steps toward a more balanced league.

Discussion Points:

• Parity vs. Dominance: Despite claims of parity, a few teams consistently perform at the top.
• Comparative Analysis: The NBA's parity efforts are contrasted with the NFL's established competitive balance.
• Impact on Viewership: Cowherd notes that while NBA viewership is rising, other sports leagues aren't experiencing similar growth in parity-driven engagement.

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2. NFL Quarterback Analysis and Team Strategies

Timestamp: [02:50] – [16:02]

The conversation shifts to the NFL, where Cowherd and his co-host J. Mac analyze the performance and future prospects of key quarterbacks. They draw parallels between Brock Purdy of the San Francisco 49ers and Tua Tagovailoa of the Miami Dolphins, suggesting that Purdy's success is heavily reliant on his coaching and supporting cast.

Key Insights:

• Brock Purdy's Contract and Future:
  "I think else will eventually, over time, happen to Brock Purdy."
  — Colin Cowherd [Approx. 04:30]
  Cowherd expresses skepticism about Purdy's long-term potential without a strong defensive coach and a robust supporting roster.

• San Francisco 49ers' Draft Strategy:
  The Niners' aggressive signing of players like Fred Warner and Christian McCaffrey is critiqued as missing out on draft picks that could provide better long-term value.
  "They have to because they've missed on so many picks."
  — Colin Cowherd [Approx. 06:00]

• Team Depth and Injuries:
  Highlighting the 49ers' vulnerability due to a top-heavy roster and lack of depth, Cowherd warns that injuries to key players can lead to a rapid decline in team performance.

Notable Quote:
"The best thing the Niners have going for him is a really smart head coach with a good System and the NFL's weakest schedule in 10 years."
— Colin Cowherd [Approx. 07:15]

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3. College Football: Traditions vs. Modern Realities

Timestamp: [28:22] – [55:54]

Colin Cowherd delves into the evolving landscape of college football, focusing on the tension between longstanding traditions and modern necessities driven by financial incentives and playoff aspirations.

Key Topics:

• USC and Notre Dame Rivalry:
  Cowherd discusses USC's reluctance to sustain its traditional rivalry with Notre Dame in favor of more lucrative and strategically beneficial matches within the Big Ten Conference.
  "USC is like, we don't need you and we're not interested in playing cold weather games in November if you want to maintain this."
  — Colin Cowherd [Approx. 39:50]

• Impact of the NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) Era:
  The shift to player compensation through NIL has transformed recruitment strategies, making traditional rivalries less economically viable.

• Interview with Drew Bledsoe:
  Timestamp: [41:07] – [52:45]
  Former NFL quarterback Drew Bledsoe joins the discussion, offering his perspectives on college coaching dynamics and quarterback development.

  Highlights from Bledsoe:

  • Coaching in College vs. NFL:
    Bledsoe questions whether NFL coaching greats like Bill Belichick would succeed in the college environment, emphasizing the importance of recruiting prowess and energy.
    "But, you know, you have to simplify things. You only get a certain amount of time."
    — Drew Bledsoe [Approx. 41:30]

  • Quarterback Development:
    He underscores the rapid evaluation of quarterback performance in college, likening it to talent shows where "you can see it instantly."
    "You have to be able to anticipate, you have to throw guys open."
    — Drew Bledsoe [Approx. 50:30]

  • Tradition vs. Playoffs:
    Bledsoe laments the erosion of traditional rivalries in favor of playoff-centric scheduling, expressing a personal connection to familial football traditions now being deprioritized.

Notable Quotes:

• "It's all about the playoff. It's all about December."
  — Colin Cowherd [Approx. 43:54]

• "The curse of being the top draft pick is you're generally going to a team that's not very good unless there's some kind of crazy trade."
  — Drew Bledsoe [Approx. 44:53]

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4. WNBA Ratings Surge and Caitlin Clark's Impact

Timestamp: [55:27] – [56:10]

In a brief but notable segment, Cowherd highlights a significant spike in WNBA viewership tied to Caitlin Clark's performance. He draws parallels to how Magic Johnson and Larry Bird revitalized the NBA, suggesting that Clark is playing a similar role in boosting the WNBA's popularity.

Key Points:

• Record Viewership:
  "Caitlin Clark Fever TV rating Biggest TV rating 25 years for the WNBA."
  — Colin Cowherd [Approx. 30:11]

• Clark's Influence:
  Cowherd credits Clark with bringing unprecedented attention to the WNBA, likening her impact to that of iconic NBA figures who enhanced the league's visibility and appeal.

Discussion:
Cowherd debates whether Caitlin Clark will be the catalyst that makes the WNBA financially viable and more mainstream, considering the historical challenges the league has faced in securing substantial viewership and sponsorship.

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5. BMW IX and Automotive Innovation

Timestamp: Intermittent throughout the episode

Throughout the episode, there are intermittent segments featuring BMW advertisements for the all-electric BMW IX SUV. While these are sponsored messages, they contribute to the podcast's commercial landscape, highlighting the integration of automotive innovation into the sports media space.

Notable Advertisement Highlights:

• Performance and Utility:
  "With a BMW IX, you'll experience unmatched power, utility, spaciousness, versatility."
  — BMW Representative [01:03], [55:27]

• Technological Features:
  "Cloud-based navigation monitors charge levels, locates nearby charging stations so I can drive electric with ultimate ease."
  — Colin Cowherd [01:13]

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6. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [54:23] – [55:57]

Colin Cowherd wraps up the episode by reiterating key themes discussed, such as the pursuit of parity in the NBA, the complexities of quarterback development in the NFL, and the evolving traditions in college football. He emphasizes the ongoing changes in sports dynamics driven by financial strategies, player development, and league policies.

Closing Remarks:

• Future of Sports Leagues:
  Cowherd posits that without deliberate efforts to balance competition and investment, sports leagues may continue to experience dominance by a few teams or individuals, potentially alienating broader fan bases.

• Listener Engagement:
  He encourages listeners to stay engaged with "The Herd" for continued analysis and insights into the ever-changing world of sports.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• "The Niners are now paying three positions, positions you'd prefer to get value out of..."
  — Colin Cowherd [Approx. 06:00]

• "People are not even. There are all sorts of gaps in ambition and intelligence."
  — Colin Cowherd [Approx. 10:30]

• "It's about the playoff. It's about December."
  — Colin Cowherd [43:54]

• "You have to be able to anticipate, you have to throw guys open."
  — Drew Bledsoe [50:30]

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This summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the "Best of The Herd" episode, providing listeners with a comprehensive overview of the topics covered and the perspectives shared by Colin Cowherd and his guests.

Transcript

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Here we go. It is a Tuesday. We are live. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mac, you know I was thinking about this. We didn't have a game last night. We have a game tonight. Western Conference finals. The well rested Timberwolves take on okc. OKC home court advantage. I don't think the rest matters a ton to OKC because they're the deepest roster in the NBA. I think they'll mitigate that. They'll be fine. But and I'm going to get to that in a couple of minutes about Adam Silver's new NBA but we talked yesterday about Brock Purdy signed a new contract and I was, I always said J. Mac is that I think Brock Purdy is TUA of the nfc. Little smaller than I like, not as good in bad weather, Mobile enough. But like they need a Shanahan or a Mike McDaniels. That's the secret sauce left with a defensive coach. Tua was was overwhelmed. If you gave Brock Purdy a defensive Coach, Matt Eber FL I think he would be overwhelmed. But Tua and McDaniel have the right coach, the right system and you know, one guy had Waddle and Tyreek Hill, one has Kittle had Debo, Christian McCaffrey. So it works to some level. Don't love either, but I like both. But when you start circumstantially paying too much for Tua and now he's got a weak old line and he's just not good enough and gets exposed, that's what I think will eventually over time happen to Brock Purdy. So I was talking to somebody yesterday about this. So the Niners signed Fred Warner yesterday to a huge contract. So the Niners are now paying three positions, positions you'd prefer to get value out of, positions the rival Rams don't pay anything to. They're now paying Christian McCaffrey a running back, second most for a running back in the league. George Kittle first most for a tight end and Fred Warner first most for a linebacker. And they're doing this because they have to because they've missed on so many picks. John lynch in my opinion has not been a great drafter and I think Shanahan has the power in the building. San Francisco also gave up three first round picks for Trey Lance. So now what you have to do is you get forced to sign positional players where you'd really like value. I mean right now the Rams don't pay anything for linebackers. The Rams don't pay anything for corner. They don't pay anything for safety. They don't even pay a ton for a left tackle. And so I've said with Tua and Purdy, it's situational. I'd like him at 38 million. I'd like him at 42. I don't like him in the 50s. And here's an example what I'm talking about. If you go look at the Niners, I took their last five drafts. In their last 18 picks. In 23 and 22 drafts, the Niners have one hit, Brock Purdy one. I'll give you Jake Moody, but I don't think anybody loves a kicker in the third round and he's been disappointing. And I'll count Ricky Pearsall as a semi hit, but I thought he was overdrafted. They have back to back drafts in 22 and 23. They didn't get anybody. The Dallas Cowboys like the Niners, overpaid for a quarterback. Therefore the offensive line is weaker than you'd like and the team is top heavy. One injury and all the dominoes come tumbling down. Look at the Cowboys, The Cowboys last two drafts. I like DeMarvian over shown but he's never healthy. Tyler Guyton, I'm not sure he's a hit. I'll give it to you. But I would argue in their last two drafts they don't have one absolute hit. Conversely, the Lions had a three draft stretch, 21, 22, 23 where they had 12 hits in three drafts. So the Jared Goff contract and Jared's better in my opinion as a natural talent than Pretty or Tua. It's not as punitive because they can let go of veterans they hit on draft picks. Similarly, the Philadelphia Eagles, the Jalen Hurts contract, they can pay Saquon Barkley because they never miss on their first or second round picks. I mean they've gone four years where they've hit on all of them and they got Jalen Hurts for free for years because he was a second round pick. So last season was an example of what I think the Niners are going to face over the next two to three years. Last year Christian McCaffrey got hurt, Trent Williams got hurt. Oh, Brandon Ayuk got hurt, Bosa got dinged and they have no depth. So this is not me just simply not liking Brock Purdy. It's just like Tua if you don't or Dak if You don't get the right number one or two injuries, and it all comes crumbling down. The best thing the Niners have going for him is a really smart head coach with a good System and the NFL's weakest schedule in 10 years. Okay, so tonight is the start of the Western Conference finals. And people say they want a lot of things. They say they want to work out and they say they're going to put money away and they say they want parity in sports. And the NFL does a great job to make you think they've got parody. But Mahomes and Brady have made 10 of the last 15 Super Bowls from the AFC, and Philadelphia is favored again in the NFC. We'll see what Jaden Daniels can do to disrupt that. But the truth is, what you're seeing in sports right now, the last seven NBA champions. Raptors, Lakers, Bucks, Warriors, Nuggets, Celtics. That's the last six. The seventh this year will make seven new champs in seven years. So for years you have been telling me this is exactly what you want. But the truth is, I'm watching TV ratings for sporting events and there's no parody outside the NBA. And the numbers are going up. And I have said this on occasion, that I think parody is unrealistic. People are not even. There are all sorts of gaps in ambition and intelligence. I was just reading a Barry Diller book. Some people just stay at work until the job's done right. Some want to go home early. That's the reality. The okcgm. Sam Presti is better than yours. So is Brad Stevens of Boston or Tim Connerly of Minnesota. They're not even. And historically, in all employment, A's higher, A's, B's higher, C's. So weaker GMs build weaker staffs. And I know you could say to yourself, wow, Colin, life's about opportunities. Not really. It's not. It's willfulness. It's ambition. It's intelligent. You can give two people the same opportunity, somebody's going to leap ahead. Well, Colin, the American capitalistic system, it must be better in Europe. No, not really. If you go to the English Premier League, last eight years, Liverpool or Man City has won their biggest league. Their. Their NFL go to France. Ah, those liberal Frenchmen. I bet you they don't have an ugly capitalistic system. Let's go to their sports. PSG's won 10 of the last 12 league titles. Oh, isn't that funny? How about Barcelona? Real Madrid in Spain? Oh, they've won 10 of 11. Yeah, it doesn't Matter cross the pond here. People aren't even ambition's not even money is not even even in the socialistic countries. Our sports, men's and women's tennis. Scottie Scheffler's pulling away. It's the same five or six golfers for the men Olympics, we know host cities, especially the United States, do well. Summer Olympics, Winter Olympics, it's the same basic countries. World cup, yeah, it bounces a little. But go look at the top six or seven teams right now. They've been the top six or seven teams most of the last 15 years. It is the reality of where we're at. In fact, the only parody is the NBA. You get Minnesota, you get Oklahoma City, you get Indiana. Only one real major market, New York, and their parity as well, because they've stunk most of the last 25 years. So this is to me, the NBA that Adam Silver wanted. And it's taken years to present it. Unravel some CBAs, wait for contracts to end. This is his NBA. And Adam Silver has talked about this before, publicly.

[Adam Silver]

I see my goal as helping the league, I call it for shorthand, to become more NFL like. And if you asked a casual NFL fan, are you going to watch the Super Bowl? They'd hardly ever say, only if the Giants are in it. They'd be. It's a. It's a national holiday. And I think a part of, you know, my job is to take people who are fans of the game back to where we started. In addition to whoever their hometown fan is or wherever their personal interest is, players and teams should think, I'm a fan of the game. This is the best basketball being played by definition, because this team has gone to the conference finals.

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So is he an idealist or a realist? You know, David Stern had no problem. David Stern loved the Bulls and New York and the Lakers. Because David Stern took over an NBA that had all this parody in the 70s and nobody was watching it. So David Stern's like, let's get in Nike, let's get in Adidas, let's get in Converse, Louisiana. New York. He didn't have a problem with it. He made the league more richer. Owners had an advantage. And big cities tend to, at least in the time, have more money and more game day nightly revenue and bigger local TV deals as well, radio deals. So David Stern was a pragmatist. He was a realist. But he inherited a league where everybody was winning different teams every year. Seattle, Portland, Golden State, Philadelphia. And it wasn't doing well. So Adam Silver inherits a league where it's like three to four teams at the top, five or six teams that are semi interesting and a massive bottom, way too top heavy. And Adam Silver is like, I don't like it. So now you can't stack rosters. It's roster construction. And what we're seeing is the four best players in these, you know, conference final teams are all guards. It is guards who elevate B players because you can't stack A players anymore. So we'll see how it goes. I'm looking forward to it. But it is a new NBA. More physical, more parody. Can't stack rosters.

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So I saw this Story this morning. You know, Bill Belichick goes to when. When Deion Sanders went to Colorado, the first thing that was inarguable is he sold the stadium out and Colorado was a sputtering program. There wasn't any interest. Boulder sort of a, you know, it's sort of a wild, fun place. You go to have a good time very infrequently. Have they had a lot of interest or a lot of success in football? And even with Dion, they weren't super successful, but they got on TV a lot. They were interesting. I thought he did a pretty good job to get them on television. They don't win a ton of games even though they are in the Big 12, which is one of the weaker conferences. Not ACC weak, but kind of weak. But Deion has made them relevant. And in college football, the recruiting at Colorado now is relevant. And that's what matters. Now. I do think Carolina historically is a better football program than Colorado and there's more money in it, especially for football. But this is interesting. Carolina has sold out their season tickets before. They have played a game under Bill Belichick. So it's the Dion effect. And I think what is fascinating about Belichick, so I think if you put Belichick in the SEC or the Big Ten, he'd get rolled because I've always had this theory is that the key to NFL coaching is just raw intelligence. Mostly smarter coaches win okay because you pick the players and you can practice much longer. College football is different. You need to be able to recruit. You got to have great energy. Intelligence to some degree can be muted. Now, we, we know Nick Saban is really smart, but Nick was also relentless on the recruiting trail. Tons of energy, always a smile, great brand and, you know, again, relentless when it came to getting players. He was pre nil. The best recruiter I think I've ever seen. So and, and so I always thought Jon Gruden would be a great college coach. Smart enough, but great recruiter, great energy. Pete Carroll is not known as a schematic whiz. Great college coach Jim Harbaugh, simple themes, repetitive in his themes. Great energy and recruiter. Yet Bill Walsh at Stanford his last two years, he was 7, 14 and 1 combined. Arguably the smartest coach in league history. Bill Walsh was smart players not that successful at Stanford. Jim Harbaugh much more successful. Harbaugh could recruit. Harbaugh had greater energy. Harbaugh had very simple themes. Belichick's smart. I think the one thing that saves Belichick is the ACC is Terrible. If I looked at Joel klatt's preseason top 15, there is one ACC team in it and that is Clemson. Now Clemson has, I think, the second or third best quarterback in college football and they returned most of their really good players. They didn't transfer, but they're not really an nil story. I don't think they're a national championship contender, but I think they have a good coach. They have a first round quarterback and a lot of good players returned and didn't transfer. But there's no other ACC teams there. You got BYU and Arizona State and South Carolina and Illinois, all above the next ACC team. So my take is Belichick's a little grumpy. Belichick is energy is meh. Belichick's a so so recruiter and his messaging, let's be honest, kind of complex Now. I think he, Charlie Weiss was another guy who was a really smart guy. He kind of bragged about his schematic advantage. He had a big brand, Notre Dame, energy, recruiting, very average. And so I do think what saves Bill is the acc. If you look at their schedule outside of the Clemson game, they can match up with anybody. I mean, there's just W's everywhere in this thing. But like Deion Sanders. And this is why I've supported Bill Belichick and Jordan Hudson. Carolina's a basketball school, Colorado's a nothing school. Social currency attention is your stock market. And I think North Carolina and Belichick, I've got them as my third story today. I don't have the Carolina Tar Heels basketball program as my third story. So for some of these programs like Colorado and Carolina selling out the stadium, getting on television, raising nil money trumps getting to the playoffs.

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[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

And I'm Rich Davis.

[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right?

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[Rich Davis]

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[Steve Covino]

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[Rich Davis]

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USC football is listening to me. The stories are they may move out of the Notre Dame game. And coming up next, it's really interesting. So it's I'm listening to Radio Today. This whole Caleb Williams, Seth Wickersham, our interview this week, it's getting a lot of play. And I've said I think Ben Johnson and Caleb are going to work. But here is something that we can no longer argue. You're going to know very quickly if it works or if it doesn't. And I think you'll be surprised when you go back and look at how early young great quarterbacks give us a tell. Let us know they're going to be great. We'll talk about that next.

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[Steve Covino]

Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.

[Rich Davis]

You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the the iHeartRadio app.

[Steve Covino]

Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?

[Rich Davis]

We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world.

[Steve Covino]

We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss.

[Rich Davis]

And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right?

[Steve Covino]

So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say.

[Rich Davis]

I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth.

[Steve Covino]

Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.

[Rich Davis]

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Speaking of Indianapolis, you see that Caitlin Clark Fever TV rating Biggest TV rating 25 years for the WNBA. Nothing against Angel Reese, but they're going to get every single Caitlin Clark game on television and they should. Magic and Bird many think saved the NBA. I don't. I love the 70s NBA. I was a huge Dr. J fan. I love those Sonics teams. Elvin Hayes and the Bullets in West Uncell. I really like 70s NBA. The Knicks in the early 70s. I don't remember the Knicks team because I didn't really start watching sports until like 72, 73. But the Knicks won in like 71. Lakers won I think in 72. And it was, you know, it was. It was like now a bunch of different teams but and it's not that Caitlin Clark saved the wnba, but there is no disputing it now matters. I mean the sport, let's be honest, they were moving into smaller arenas subsidized by the NBA. You know, they very insular. There was a small niche group of WNBA fans. Magic and Bird made the NBA. They didn't save it. They made it relevant and Michael made IT Global and LeBron made it mobile. Everybody can play anywhere. Caitlin Clark is closer to saving the wnba. It was getting better, but it still wasn't making any money. And I mean that's incredible. 25 years, a season opener. This isn't a Christmas game, it's not a playoff game. It's just Caitlin Clark on a team that was awful last year. Highest rating, 25 years. So one of the things, Caleb Williams, the Bears quarterback, spending a lot of time in Chicago, like it's. You turn on the radio and they're talking Cubs or Caleb Williams. Like that's the topic. And he's gotten some pushback. I think a lot of it is unfair. He's young. I thought during the season he handled himself, you know, like an adult at the podium. That matters to me. He was a grown up. But, and I, I've also said that I'm not going to wait forever. You're going to tell pretty quickly how good he is. As long as you have a competent coach, I mean you don't need a great one. Is Dan Quinn great? Is Zach Taylor great? He's competent. I think Ben Johnson, bottom the floor is he's certainly competent. I took five quarterbacks that none of us would argue they were stars. Andrew Luck, Jaden Daniels, Joe burrow, Lamar Jackson, C.J. stroud. I won't put a Herbert in. Many of you think he's overrated. I'm not going to put a TUA in because I don't think he's a star. Those five guys. And I'm not going to use Mahomes because he has Andy Reid, arguably the best coach ever. How long did it take to figure out Andrew Luck was good? Well, he had the worst roster in the NFL. That's why they had the number one pick. And weeks seven through 10, Andrew Luck had a four game winning streak. And through four in that four game winning streak, 1200 yards and it was less of a passing lead. Then how about Jaden Daniels of Washington? In weeks two, three and four, he went 23 of 29, 21 of 23, 26 of 30. So by September we have ourselves a superstar quarterback. Joe Burrow now with an atrocious offensive line, good receiver, atrocious o line. Week 2, 61 throws, three touchdowns over 300 yards. Week 3, duplicated it 300 plus yards, again with an atrocious O line and a coach nobody liked Lamar Jackson. Six of his first seven starts he won. And he was clearly the most electric runner at the position since Michael vick and then C.J. stroud. I mean, come on, the dude set an NFL record. He didn't have an interception in his first five weeks, which is. It's NFL history. So my point being, I think you can argue that Caleb Williams roster now that he has at least a competent coach, it's better than Andrew Lux roster, better than Jaden Daniels, better. I'm not sure it's better than Lamar Jackson's, but it's better than C.J. stroud's and outside of Jamar Chase, it's better than Joe Burrows. So at worst he would have the second best roster because Baltimore's is always pretty good. And so I looked this morning, I thought, well, Caleb Williams has to be good in September. And if he's not, then the critics, and I know scouts who don't love his accuracy don't like his footwork and feel he plays too much hero ball. I think he's got to go 3 and 1 in the first four games because the Raiders and the Cowboys are on that schedule and he's hosting Minnesota in perfect weather at Detroit. I'll give you an L. But I think going into the buy in week five, I don't think it's unrealistic. I don't think it's hyperbolic, I don't think it's a hot take. If we don't see it through those first four games, he's probably not it be struggling. And you know, I think we've talked about this before that you can on music shows, you can tell this with music like remember Simon Cowell, American Idol, you can see lousy and great Kerry Underwood, you know, eight seconds in. Yeah, that works. Or if somebody butchers it, that doesn't.

[Steve Covino]

Good.

[Unknown]

Pretty good may take time. Great, awful. You can see it instantly. So we will know and pretty good. Then Caleb Williams will be disappointing. We'll know very quickly because music and quarterback play, it doesn't take long. Didn't take long with burrow lock Jaden C.J. stroud. It just, it just didn't take long. It took like two weeks. So I said this a year ago and it got a little pushback. I said college football's Amazing. But it's all about the playoff. Just get into the playoff. That's what it's all about. It's not about tradition. And even USC fans were like, what are you talking about? When I said get, get the Notre Dame game off the schedule. What are you playing Notre Dame for? So the two football blue bloods have played 95 times since 1924. But USC, according to a story today, is very reluctant to extend it long term. And I agree with usc. So people are clinging to tradition. Let me tell you about tradition in college football. It's entered the portal, all right? This is a sport where you can now buy high school players. That was a death penalty four years ago. The highest rated game last year of the season was Georgia and Texas. It wasn't Texas and Oklahoma. So if you look at USC schedule, and this is what I've argued as they move into a conference now where they're at a little bit of a weather disadvantage. It's a warm weather program. Prime example is September 7, September 27 through November 1 at Illinois, Michigan at Notre Dame, at Nebraska. If Notre Dame was a home game, that's a much better schedule. And because their payout now in the Big Ten is minimum $75 million, which is over two and a half times the Pac 12 payment, they don't need the money now. It's different. Remember Notre Dame used to play Michigan years ago. They don't. The sport is fine. So Notre Dame, realizing there's a new tradition, has entered into a 12 year contract with Clemson. So I didn't grow up ever pining for Notre Dame and Clemson. USC is like, we don't need you and we're not interested in playing cold weather games in November if you want to maintain this. And USC has all the leverage because of the Big Ten money. They don't need Notre Dame. Notre Dame needs big games. So that's why they signed the Clemson deal. They need big games. They lost Michigan, they can't lose usc. So it's just, I think it's very interesting is that the Big Ten allows USC to play a week out of conference schedule and still have Oregon. Washington, which is generally ranked when they're in a bit of a rebuild, they'll be better this year. Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, I think with Matt Rule will be pretty good. Illinois this year will be good. So I mean, listen, when the reason usc was the first out of the PAC 12, why number one, money, number two, stability. So right now for USC, it's about the playoffs. It's not about Notre Dame. It's not about tradition. Traditions. Enter the portal. Texas. Georgia's going to get your biggest rating. Not Texas, Oklahoma. So it's, I think people are just grabbing onto something. When I was growing up as a kid, I remember Nebraska, Oklahoma, Barry Switzer, Tom Osborne. It got replaced by Texas. Oklahoma. Okay. Michigan. Notre Dame used to be great. They don't play. I'm okay with it. It's fine. It's all about the playoff. It's all about December. So very interesting. USC wavering on the Notre Dame.

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You know, the, the stuff that gets all the headlines is Jordan Hudson and Belichick's relationship. I'm actually fasc how he does. I think the ACC is so weak that Bill's just going to win some games. But I've never prescribed the theory that all NFL greats work in college. Bill Walsh had very modest success at Stanford because Bill was an academic. And you get 17 hours a week and you're talking to kids, even if they're Stanford kids. I always thought Jon Gruden would be a great college coach. I thought Rex Ryan, big personality, big smile, a line of BS. I thought Rex Ryan would be a great college coach. I never thought like Parcells or Belichick, a little like Charlie Weiss, sort of the academic, little grumpy. That guy doesn't work in college to me. Because the players select you. Drew Bledsoe is now joining us live 14 years, four time Pro Bowler, Patriots hall of Fame. Joining us, former number one overall pick. Yeah, forget the, forget all the Bill. Personal stuff is that college football is a lot. It's like the movie poster. What's the movie? Pete Carroll, big energy Bill Walsh, lower energy, academic. How do you think he'll do as a coach?

[Drew Bledsoe]

It's going to be interesting to watch. Colin. I, you know, and I think if nothing else, it's going to get eyeballs, right? So, I mean, if that's what you're looking for, you know, people are going to be watching, you know, North Carolina football. But, you know, you're right, you do have to, you have to simplify things. You only get a certain amount of time. So and then, you know, now coaching in college is so much different too because not only do you recruit guys coming in, you have to keep recruiting them the entire time you're there. And you know, Bill has always been so focused, you know, just one dimensional on the football. It's going to be really interesting. You know, to see, you know, how he does dealing with all the other stuff that is involved in coaching college now.

[Unknown]

Yeah, the, you know, nil makes it maybe a little easier because you can just go buy guys. But, you know, he didn't necessarily always work well with young players. You know, the college football thing is interesting. I can remember your college career very well. I. Look, we talked about this this morning. Usc, Notre Dame and USC is like, time out. We got to go to Michigan, Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State. We don't want to go to South Bend in November. Where are. My take is tradition entered the portal. Get over it. Like, where are you on like a usc, Notre Dame? Would you give that up? Because now the Big Ten page is 75, 80 million dollars a year and you don't need the revenue.

[Drew Bledsoe]

Yeah, I'm with you, Kyle. I love the tradition. I love these old rivalries. And maybe, you know, maybe we're just old, you know, maybe we just don't get it. But, man, it kind of breaks my heart a bit. You know, my dad played for the Washington Huskies, so he was pack 8, pack 10 then I was, you know, in the, in the PAC 10. My son played for the Cougs in the PAC 12. And so now you got like three generations of our family history that's kind of thrown out the door. So it's, it's. It. It bugs me. I don't like the, the lack of. Or some of these, you know, traditions that have been broken down with the realignment.

[Unknown]

So in your day, you played eight, nine high school games. It was slower growth. These days, I'm much tougher on quarterbacks. Seven on seven camps. You have your personal coaches. I need by Thanksgiving of year two, I'm going to raise my hand. I'm going to be in a room and I know if you can play or you can't play. I'm giving you about 25 games. You were in a different world where you got three full years, and then you looked at Eli and said, okay, it works. I look at Caleb Williams, I looked at how good Burrow was quickly. Jaden Daniels was quickly. Andrew Luck was quickly. Lamar Jackson was. When will you watch Caleb with now kind of a stacked roster, when will you have strong opinions on Caleb Williams for the Bears next year?

[Drew Bledsoe]

Yeah, you know, I think this year is going to be pretty telling Colin, because, you know, you come in one of the, one of the curses of being, you know, the top draft pick is you're generally going to a team that's not very good unless there's some kind of crazy trade or something, you know, and so now they're putting a roster around him. The guy's, you know, remarkably talented. There's no questioning that. But this year it's going to be interesting to watch his progression. You know, it's also, you know, one thing for, for young quarterbacks is who they're working with on a daily basis, you know, and what kind of coaching are they getting? You know, you see certain coaches, you know, Sean Payton comes to mind. Andy Reid is a guy that's. That's, that's always been that guy. You know, quarterbacks have success when they're with these guys, you know, and so, you know, it'll be interesting to watch his, his continued development, you know, this year, you know, he probably gets this year to progress. And then next year, you know, that third year, it's kind of, well, are you going to. Are you going to re up on this guy or is he going to move on someplace else?

[Unknown]

I found people last year had really strong opinions on his footwork. Hero ball. If, if you just watched him, what was your general impression? I'm not saying things were built for him to succeed, but was there a general uneasiness sometimes when you watch them?

[Drew Bledsoe]

Yeah, you know, it's, it's. Again, it's. Sometimes that remarkable talent can be a little bit of a curse. You know, I had a big arm, and that got me into some trouble from time to time because, you know, you tend to think you can make every throw. You can fit the ball into the tightest spot. And sometimes, you know, as a quarterback, you just have to take the easy play. You got to take the check down, you got to, you got to take five yards. You don't have to make the wild play every single time. Especially, you know, when that, you know, when you're risking, you know, losing a game because you're trying to force something to happen. You know, you watch, you know, like, you know, Pat Mahomes is probably the best guy playing right now. Best guys played for quite a while. You watch him especially like this last year. In the last couple years, there was not a lot of wow stuff in the first three quarters or first three and a half quarters, right? And then when he, and then when he had to, boom, you know, he can make that wild play, but, but, you know, he really seems to understand that quarterback thing where you first do no harm. It's kind of like you're a doctor, right? You know, the Hippocratic oath, first you do no harm. And that's that's one thing that a guy like Caleb has to understand is like, look, you know, the Wild plays once in a while. Yeah, you have to. But. But the rest of the game, you really need to be able to manage the game and keep it close and keep your team in the game and not lose the game before you have a chance to win it.

[Unknown]

You know, you're tied to Robert Kraft in New England. You're in the Patriots hall of Fame. There's not a lot of players, former players that go on to be great coaches. Okay. Belichick wasn't. Andy Reid wasn't. McVeigh was an athlete, but wasn't. Kyle Shanahan wasn't. Vrabel was a good player, but he's a hell of a coach. And Dan Campbell, again, was solid, but it really works. What is your insight on what is it about Vrabel? Because I think he's really good. And most guys who played at a high level, they're too busy being players to worry about, to worry about anything else. What is his secret sauce?

[Drew Bledsoe]

Yeah, you know, I only played with Mike for one year, and we were close enough friends that felt like we played together for like five or six years. But Mike had then, and I think still to this day has just tireless energy. You know, he would go to practice and run all of the defensive snaps, then he would play scout team and then for, you know, just burn off some energy. He would go run down on scout team kickoff. Like, just tireless energy. And so you start there, you know, that's something that you see with Dan Campbell, too. Just like his energy is infectious. And then Braves is incredibly smart. You know, he's a brilliant, brilliant guy. But I also think there is Colin. There's something about, you know, being a player that gives you some credibility with your team. Yeah, I know it hasn't always. Hasn't always translated, but, you know, I remember watching Danny Campbell in training camp telling his guys, like, guys, I don't want to put you in pads. And if. But if I knew there was another way to get you ready to play, we wouldn't do this. I promise. And they know he means it because he was there. He was one of them. He was. You know, he went through 2A days. He knows how much it sucks. And, you know, so I do think that if you have the, you know, the energy, the intelligence, if you combine that with the credibility that goes with having actually been there and done that and knowing how it feels, I think that's really meaningful to players.

[Unknown]

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[Drew Bledsoe]

You know what I had, I had eight different offensive coordinators and probably nine different quarterback coaches. Wow. The one, the one that I, that I really wish I only got to work with him for one year. I really wish I could have worked with Sean Payton more. You know, he was, he was an artist when it came to calling plays. You know, he really understood the game. He, he, you know, and his, the great coordinators and quarterback coaches and it's really important. It was still important to me and I was in my, you know, 13th year or whatever. But they make things more simple for you. You know, they, they don't give you, they don't overload you with too much information. They're able to take, you know, really complex things and make them, make them simple for you. And that's, you know, what I hope that is going to happen for Drake May in New England, you know, with the, the other Josh McDaniels. Our winemaker is Josh McDaniels, but it's not the same guy. So we always, so we always, so we all, we, we always call him the other Josh McDaniels, but the other Josh McDaniels working with Drake May, you know, I really believe that he'll have the ability to, to, you know, help Drake simplify things, you know, going into this next season and then to kind of bring him along slowly as he, as he continues to progress and can process more. But I'm really excited to watch that happen.

[Unknown]

And finally, I think Shador will be fine. I think he was underdrafted, but there aren't a lot of traits. He doesn't spin it like you. He's not as tall as you. He doesn't move like Lamar. He does, you know, he doesn't have a lot. You go, wow. But I do think he didn't have a good old line or a run game and he played really well against much better teams. And I think there's value in playing well. Where do you, when you watch him and you watch them a little bit at Colorado. If you'd never heard any other analysts talk about Shador Sanders. When you watched him play as a former NFL pick, what did you see that you liked or didn't? Did you think he was a first round player?

[Drew Bledsoe]

Yeah, I did. I did. Colin. I thought he, I thought he was first round talent. I don't know. I don't know the guy. I still, it's sort of A mystery to me why he fell as far as he did. But when I watch him, he's accurate. He throws with anticipation. You know, there's a. There's a quarterback thing that I always look for. If I'm watching quarterbacks, you know, the ones that are successful, you can almost see the future, right? You have to be able to anticipate, you have to throw guys open. If you wait to see a guy open, especially as you rise to the NFL level, then you're behind and you're just not going to be successful. And I've watched that happen with some quarterbacks, that really big arm talent, but they had to wait to see somebody open before they throw the ball. Shadow seems to be able to anticipate. Well, I liked watching him play in college again. He didn't have a ton, you know, of, you know, help up front. He was getting hit. It's another thing that I look for, you know, I'm always kind of suspicious when you see some of these. Not always, but some of these quarterbacks that come out of the great programs, the Ohio State's and Alabama's of the world, because, you know, they're out there, their guys are better than the other guys. They're not getting hit, they're throwing to open guys. You know, most guys should be able to do that. But when you watch a guy that's getting hit repeatedly and still popping up and making the plays for you, you know, that's something that, that is a quality that's hard to learn if you can learn it. And he got his ass knocked off in college and still continued to battle and then play and play and play well. So, you know, so I believe he's going to have some success, you know, at some point, whether it's this year, next year, whenever that happens.

[Unknown]

Yeah. I will tell you, when I watched Jared Goff at Cal, never got hurt and he got blistered for three or four years and I was like, I don't know if he's any good, but that skinny kid never gets hurt. Some guys just bounce back. Eli Manning never got hurt. You know, it's just the way it works.

[Drew Bledsoe]

Yeah. No, the best ability is availability. Right. That's what the, the old saying. And then you, you know, and it's not just the durability piece, but it's the mental toughness being knowing that you're. Knowing that you're going to get hit the next play, but still standing in there and delivering the ball and doing that over and over again, you know, that's A. That's a hard thing to learn. You know, it really is a hard thing to learn. I don't know. You can learn it and shudder. Seems to have that ability to, to take, take his, take his hits and then. And keep battling.

[Unknown]

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[Drew Bledsoe]

It's a great vintage, Colin. Great vintage. Mother Nature was very, very kind to us. The critics have been really kind to us as well, which is good. You know, critics. I've always viewed wine critics kind of like sports writers. I want to put a lot of them in a bag and beat them with a stick. But every once in a while, they're nice to us. You know, they gave us, you know, we've got a couple, we've gotten a couple hundred point scores recently. So, you know, now I love the critics because they're giving us some nice ratings on the wines.

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