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Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. All right, here we go. It's Thursday. We got a good show. We got breaking news. We love that. All sorts of good stuff. Draymond and Charles Barkley going at it. Sixers should have won last night. Welcome in. It's Thursday. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening or watching, thanks for making us part of your day. All right, Pittsburgh Radio this morning. It is sort of official, kind of official, semi official. Here's the news from Pittsburgh. This is not a drill. This is real. Oh boy. Aaron Rodgers expected to be in town tonight with the expectation of him signing this weekend. This is a big one. This is the real thing folks, not speculation. This is what we have been told. Okay, so he wants more money and, and Steelers are going to cave. He deserves more money. They were actually a grown up functional offense. You can look at the numbers pre Aaron Rodgers In 2024 they were completely inept at virtually everything and last year they may not have been special, but it was a massive improvement. They were actually, you know, didn't give the ball up much and honestly pretty good in the red zone. So you can't ask a Hall of Fame quarterback in back to back years to give you two freebies. Last year was sort of like that Costco free sample year. Aaron gave you some Costco free samples and now Aaron's saying, okay, this year I need you to buy in bulk, no freebie. I mean he had a better year than Baker Mayfield and made about 35% of what Baker Mayfield did. The bigger picture though with Cleveland is that I can remember having a discussion with a boss years and years ago at a television network and the boss said, you know, we've got about a 7 to a 10 year plan. I don't expect NFL teams to have 7 to 10 year plans, but most NFL GMs I talk to have between a 3 and a 5 year quarterback plan and the Steelers don't. That's why the Rams drafted Ty Simpson. They, they think they're going to get two great years, Stafford maybe a third. But most NFL Teams have a three to a five year plan at quarterback. And the Pittsburgh Steelers, they treat quarterback like it's a slot corner or an off ball linebacker. You know, we may get to it at the trading deadline. Let's see what plays out in the preseason. That's how they do it. The Eagles, a great organization. They had Carson Wentz, they drafted Jalen Hurts, the Rams, Ty Simpson, Belichick during Brady's best years. Every couple years he's drafting a quarterback. The Green Bay packers, it's an industry. They draft Aaron sit three years. They draft Jordan Love, sits multiple years. The Pittsburgh Steelers don't do it that way. And I mean, basically Big Ben had his last great year, was like in 2020, he had 33 touchdowns. He was old, but he had a great year. The following year, Big Ben fell off a cliff. Every number went down. Everything regressed. And their decision, their game plan was Mitch Trubisky, who had been a backup in Buffalo, and Kenny Pickett, a massive overdraft. And I said it at the time, I didn't have a single GM that thought Pickett was a first round quarterback. Most thought he was a middle third round quarterback. So they treat quarterback with absolutely no urgency at all. And it's, it's, it would be like running a television network. And what are you going to do for the fall football season? I will figure it out in July. I mean at Fox, when it comes to the World cup or a Super bowl, literally the minute a World cup ends, you're planning for the next one. It's a global event. When a Super bowl ends, you got a few years, but it's a two year event. Planning for a Super bowl, well, it's the same with NFL teams, except the Steelers. They've had five different quarterbacks for their opening game in five years. So the good news is it appears they'll break that trend. And Aaron Rodgers in his early 40s for the second year in a row. No more free sample year at Costco, guys. You gotta, you gotta buy in bulk. Aaron's not giving you another freebie. And I am critical of Aaron Rodgers and I have been for years, but I'm totally team Aaron. Last year he was the most underpaid player in the league by a long shot. It was virtually no cap hit. Okay, so the Philadelphia 76ers did not have Joel Embiid last night and yet should have won. They should have won. They went, they went 4 for 19 in the fourth quarter. They got great looks. They held the Knicks to 19 points. The Sixers it was one of those games Philadelphia should have. Should have won and didn't. But I think what it really shows you is Embiid was out, and they were much better than were in game one. And this happens a lot. If you go to their last 11 games, including the playoffs, with Embiid and with. Without Embiid, they actually score more points without Embiid. And the record's just about the same. They're. I mean, their net rating with him is -7. Without him, it's a plus category. But in the last week, you've really seen Joel Embiid's career. He was dominating in Game 7 against the Celtics, bad in Game 1 against the Knicks, and then not available for Game 2, dominates Game 1, bad game, not available. It's the Joel Embiid story next on A and E. That's what he is. And what you're going to find over the course of time is when he doesn't play. And I said this earlier in the season, Maxi takes over, Edgecomb takes over. The pacing's better. I mean, last night, Maxi barely shot in game one last night, 47 minutes, 27 points. They're a different team. They're just. And Embiid's a ball stopper. He was at the Olympics. He's just kind of a guy that slows it down. He's the last guy up the court. He's a ball stopper. You have to kind of force him to go low where he's a dominant player. I want my bigs to want to go low, not have to push him there. He's too often out in the perimeter and he's always banged up and the pace is slower and their net ratings better when he doesn't play. Go to the last 11 games. I. And this has always been the story. And you're going to find in sports, championship teams almost all have one thing in common, continuity. They're not going through coaches every year. They can depend on their stars. And you're never going to have that with Embiid. You're never going to have that. And when you look at how they've drafted between Maxi and Edgecomb, those guys are bullets. They fly off the television screen. They are so athletic. That's the pace you got to play with. So I thought, I thought it was a great example last night. In the last week, you've gotten the real Joel Embiid experience. Great. Bad, can't play. And I'm sure he feels bad he can't play. But, you know, the reality is Jalen Brunson's a little guy. He's not playing at 100%. I mean, OG's banged up and I think he's a tremendous player. My guess is he'll be available. Nobody's 100% healthy at this point in an NBA season. Nobody. Everybody's banged up. Austin Reaves oblique, you got to get over it. I mean, he had a collapsed lung for Kate Cunningham. Everybody's hurt. Here was Nick Nurse on a game. I mean, they had a ton of open looks late. This couldn't hit him. I thought we passed the ball good. Assist numbers a little down, but it should be up if we would have, you know, I thought we had maybe four wide open shots in a row that didn't go. We just needed. We needed to keep the scoreboard moving. And we played great offense. We just didn't shot make. We play good enough defense to win that game, you know, especially in the fourth. But again, you know, I mean, hold them to 19 in the fourth, you gotta hope you can score more than 20 in a quarter. Yeah, they really had looks. Listen, everybody loves the fun uncle who occasionally shows up for a holiday and makes everybody laugh, does magic tricks, but he misses too many holidays. You can't really build around him or rely on him. And increasingly with Embiid, I mean, let's face it, he missed his first two years in the league with an injury. Then he comes back. Year three is tremendous. He wins the MVP. Then he goes back to back years, plays 33 games like that. That's the fun uncle experience. Can't really rely on him, but he's great when he's around. And I think it's just time to move off that 30 large cap hit, 40 large cap hit. And I mean, there'll be a market, but I mean, I'm watching them last night. Played good enough to win in New York, should have won the game, held the Knicks tonight. Then in the fourth, got great looks. Over and over and over. Great looks. All right, J. Mac, we got a big one today. David Fisdale, former Next coach, going to join us in an hour. The number one draft pick, A.J. deBonta from BYU. He's going to be the number one pick. I've talked over the last couple of weeks to scouts. It's a slam dunk. Everybody loves him. I mean, he's got springy, you know, people worried about going into the year, his shot. I've always said if the last thing you have to work on is a shot. Ray Allen was a great shooter in the NBA. He was a springy, athletic guy who could shoot a little bit. Then he got to the NBA and he spends all his time shooting. And that sometimes is the last thing to fully develop. But he'll be joining us today as well. And you want to tease the audience on our quarterback discussion carried over from yesterday. I know you're fired up about that. No. Because I see you smirking. No, no, no. We had an interesting. Maybe I'll bring that around in a couple of hours. We got stuff to talk about now. Aaron Rodgers looks like he's going to be a Steeler. And last night, Charles Barkley, Draymond Green, Whose side do you take? That's coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, is Cavino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, we're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show. Yup, that's right. You can now watch Covino enriched live on YouTube every day. All you got to do Search COVINO and RICH FSR on YouTube again. Go to YouTube search COVINOENRICH FSR. Check us out on YouTube. Subscribe. Hit that thumbs up icon and comment away.
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David Fisdale
Sports are for young people. You hope to have a great long career, but sports. Nobody WINS when they're 37, 38. But you said what you said. I want to hear if he believes what you're talking. Yeah, I mean, I think the goal is just to not look like you in the Houston Rockets uniform. Yeah, it's ultimately the goal for us. Like, we don't want to. What does that look like? Did you see it?
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I'm just asking.
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David Fisdale
I saw it.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, it was pretty good team. They got to the conference finals, if I recall. Much better than Golden State, which last year against playoff teams with old Draymond, old Steph Curry and old Jimmy Butler and Steve Kerr were 14 and 33. The Rockets team was a lot better. So Draymond was trying too hard and made it personal. Listen, there was a point when the warriors dynasty was high speed Internet, but the world's AI and they're still grabbing onto it. And I mean, they've had one playoff series win in three years, so. And, and the fact they're getting. You know what. You know what it reminds me of is that, you know, when you go to Vegas, you go hard for two days and then you get the hell out of town. Just because at the end of day two, you get lucky in a slot machine and win $600 doesn't mean you extend it four days. You get in, you play hard, head down, gamble, drink, do what you got to do. You get out of town. It's the same with dynasties. You can reinvent them maybe once. Like the MJ Bulls. You had the first three. Pete Michael's in his 20s. Then you have the second repeat. It's a little older. It's Rodman, it's global, it's ku. Coach. It's not as MJ Reliant. It kind of looked like the same team. I thought it was the better of the two. But the Golden State warriors, same thing. They had pre kd young Splash brothers, and then they had the KD warriors, the better version. That Woo he had splash brothers plus an Alzheimer. The difference is the warriors think there was a third version of the dynasty, and there wasn't. They won a title and circumstances matter. The New England Patriots got to a Super bowl last year. They weren't the best team in their own division. They weren't. So if you go back to the year they won that title against the Celtics, it was a lot of luck. Jamal Murray and Michael Porter both got hurt and they beat Denver. Ja Morant got hurt, played, I think, three games. They beat Memphis. They never hit a go ahead shot in any playoff series in the fourth quarter. Then they faced a Celtics team that is young and not quite there, and they gagged a little and they win. And they're thinking, hey, pre kd, kd, post kd. No, no, no, no, no. You got lucky. You pulled that slot machine that Sunday. You're going to leave Vegas, and then you called up your travel agent or you went on southwestairlines.com and you booked four more days. We're going to bring this puppy back. We're going to stay here till Wednesday. It's not how Vegas works. You're going to lose. And holding and clinging and grabbing on, I mean, Jerry Krause. The late Jerry Krause. Got it. Last dance. We're too old and expensive. Made a great documentary. Last dance first, repeat, second, three. Pete, we're moving on. And I think when KD left, it was over. And you should have started dismantling it. And the record proves that's true. But I think Draymond and Kerr, for all the brain power, Joe lacob and Kerr and Draymond, all these guys, real smart. It's hard to believe they're still clutching this dynasty. You have not been competitive in three years and you look like analog. Everybody else is digital. It just feels old. And I felt last night, Draymond, why get defensive like that? You're proving the point. You're kind of proving what everybody sees, which is forget the Rockets team with Barkley, which you couldn't compete with. You can't compete with anybody in the West. And that's if Butler and Stefan Draymond are healthy, that would be the best version. And often, because they're older NBA players, they get hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. FS1 and the iHeartRadio app brought to
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David Fisdale
I think you do have to have it because he was just so in and out all year. And if you look at what Maxey and Edgecomb and those guys did without him to hold it down, even without Paul George as well, those guys held it down and they, they, they play with a certain tenacity and a certain speed. They have their own identity when they don't have Embiid out there now. And B, being out there for the playoffs, you need him like he's for this team right now. He's everything. Because when the game slows down, you're posting them. When you need a pick and pop, jump shot or a trail three, he's knocking that down. He's one of the few bigs in the league that covers all three ranges and does it well. And so, you know, it's just unfortunate that his body keeps going through this. And personally, I do think if this is how it continues throughout the rest of the series and they don't win this series, they do need to at least start having some conversations about the potential of not having a Joel Embiid and maybe having to move on and trading him for some serious assets.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, his guaranteed extension, 192 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed kicks in next year. So it becomes very punitive. For years and years, I had this theory, I think I'm right, is that a lot of owners, I miss a lot. But David, James Dolan, and there's a lot of owners like this, they own the team, they can meddle. But when he was building the sphere in Vegas, he was distracted for about two years. I mean, and it's an unbelievable sphere, is one of the great global creations in music. It may be the greatest global creation since the Beatles. And for two years, James Dolan, who's a musician, really, he is a musician who owns. He is. He was doing the sphere. And the Knicks let their guys run basketball. And you watch them build a hell of a team. It's like the owner's not there breathing down their.
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David Fisdale
Like to close that team.
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Colin Cowherd
And so as I watch this Knicks team, I'm like, you know, we could tweak it, but they may end up in the finals. And part of why the Knicks are succeeding, they made a great deal on og, but you can argue they should just bring the band back because they. Offensively, they're excellent. They're flawed. Their bench isn't. Isn't as good as you'd like. The Sixers have no bench. But my take is when the Knicks were in disarray for 20 years, it was because they never stopped meddling and trying to fix it and taking ridiculous swings. Could I argue, even if they don't win the finals, keep Mike Brown, keep the band back. It's too good to break up.
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David Fisdale
Yeah, I think that's a great argument. In a league that's hard to build champions anyway, and you're knocking on the door, like, again, if you do anything, it's tweaks, like, small tweaks, you know, I think, you know, if they could find a talented young guy to mix in with those guys, I think that would be great. You know, some more size at the wing, that would always be great. Or a big point guard that could play behind Jalen Brunson. Or play next to Jalen Brunson. You know, those are just tweaks. But what they've done, what Leon Rose has done, what World Wide west has done, it should be commended. They've continuously put this team in a position to be successful. I thought Tibbs did an amazing job, you know, that just ran his course, I guess. But you can't say Tibbs did not put that team in a position to win. In fact, the criticism on Tibbs was that he played his best players too much. Yeah, that's. If that's what I'm going down for, then, you know, so be right, you know, and so they have really done a great job of really establishing a winning culture there. Getting Jalen Brunson was the key to the whole deal. I mean, this guy, he is must see tv. His competitive spirit is unbelievable. He's unflappable. My big question about the Knicks was, can they protect him and Cat defensively? And he's participating in his own rescue. This guy's out there competing defensively. He's not waiting for people to help him. He's out there trying to make an impact himself. And it's really just a marvel to watch because he's not a big dude, he's not the fastest guy, but he gets it done. And I think Knicks fans can truly relate to a guy like that and connect to him. And he's going to take them as far. I mean, they're going to go as far as he can take them. Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so let's talk about the flopping. So listen, my entire life, I've seen it in international soccer, and I've seen it in the NBA. I'm okay with it. But when it becomes a central part of your game, that's when commissioners step in and make rule changes. It's like in baseball. It's like, guys, the game now is like three minutes and 10, you know, three hours and 10 minutes. We got to get it to 240. They do the pitch clock, and the audience, the consumers respond. It's a faster game. All sports are better when they're. When they're efficient. And I look at the flopping, and I'm like, I understand it. It's manipulation, smart, veteran players. It does feel like with sga, like with Harden, they literally, they said, we're not gonna let you do that. It does feel like sga. It is now such a central part of his game. It's crossed some Rubicon. It's crossed some line where I could see Adam going, we gotta Tweak it. It's not good tv. Or are you still comfortable with it?
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David Fisdale
Look, at some point, the onus has gotta be on the refs. Like, if you can't see acting from reality, that's on you. Like, we gotta get people that can spot it. Like, you know, this guy has a reputation for that. So why are you feeding it by calling these fouls? Right. It was the same thing I used to say to him with James. I got a text in the garden by one of the lady officials. I remember because I said, at some point, you have to learn how to ref James Harden. And boom, she hit me. She stuck. Oh, she stung me. And. But it's the truth. Like, at some point, the referees have that. These guys. It's like dealing with a guy that's a bully or a guy that, you know, that's always out there taking hard fouls or, you know, you have to. The refs at some point have to take onus on controlling that because they are the ones in the game that actually have the whistle. And so will the commissioner step in? I don't think his. What we call his flops. That's gonna be tough to police from a rule standpoint because he gets people into uncomfortable positions and disadvantaged positions. And so he then takes advantage of it by putting his body into him a certain way and then reacting a certain way. And so the way he's doing it, I don't know, because, man, he's so good at it. And, you know, other people in the league did what James did. James was the best at it.
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Colin Cowherd
Right?
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David Fisdale
But you could see all of the people in the league bringing the ball up through the shooting hand, through the hand that's out the dig hand, and drawing that foul and, you know, always popping the ball out when guys are in the corner, reaching all of those different things. More guys were doing that, so it was easier to police for the league. But what SGA is doing is tough because, you know, it looks like he's getting contact on a lot of these guys, but the reality is the refs are the closest ones to it. They know he has a reputation for falling around. Don't call all that crap. Tell him to get up. And I tell you what, you tell a guy to get up a few times, he's gonna stop doing it. Because him being on the floor. Well, think about it. Him on the floor in a playoff game is a lost possession, right? I remember we played Boston in the playoffs. Ray Allen, every time D. Wade laid on the floor. Cause, you know, D Wade was a floor. He always hit the floor. He was famous for hitting the floor every single time he hit the floor. Ray Allen hit a 3 and D. Wade said, all right, I got to take that out of my game because I want to win. And so if the refs tell sga, no not calling at this time or no get up, he's a winner, he's going to adjust his game to that and start competing a different way.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't think tanking is as big an issue. I think what happened is next year's draft is awful. This draft is amazing and you have these back to back, really stark differences. And so GMs are like, guys, next year's draft is. There's not a starter in the draft for us this year. We could find the bulls could get two starters. And so you got like eight or nine teams saying there's like 12 elite players we're going to take. I don't think it's a big issue. Brad Stevens said that yesterday. I don't think next year you're going to see nearly the tanking. The bigger issue though is injuries. And yeah, hockey has 82 games and they're like our stars play. But in hockey your. Your line is in a minute, you're on, you're off, you're on, you're off. These NBA guys are playing 42 minutes and the pace of play is insane. It is so fast. Yeah. And so you go watch the night. I grew up with 70s and 80s basketball. The old Bill Walton Blazers, I grew up, they walked the ball up the floor, they walked it up.
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David Fisdale
Now it's Lakers showtime showed up. Nobody was running like that.
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Colin Cowherd
That's right. Now it's a track meet. So I do think there's an argument that if you cut to 68 games, we all watch the playoffs anyway. That's what I want my stars available. The playoffs where are. Because we have an issue. We have an injury epidemic. I don't think players are faking. I think a lot of times guys
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David Fisdale
are getting tweaked, soft tissue injuries are ramped everywhere. You know, so.
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Colin Cowherd
So what do you do with that? So what do you do with that one?
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David Fisdale
You gotta look at what they're doing in the summer to prepare themselves first. But I think the way they're gonna have to deal with how that affects records and you know, guys that's gotten to play 82 games all of these years, their records are gonna look different than the guys playing, you know, 72 or 68 games. You know, hall of Fame numbers Number of all star appearances, you know, could end up being bigger because over the course of time enough that many games is being added to that guy's career from a season standpoint. Right. So that's where it'll be affected. And if the league can find their way around that, say, hey Astrus, this is where we change. I'm all for it because as a coach, man, 82 is a beast. I feel for baseball and I don't want to even act like we got it the hardest, but 82 is a beast. I mean, to the point where you don't know where you are. Sometimes when you wake up, like you wake up in that hotel and you're like, are we in Indiana or New Orleans? I go to the wrong room. You know how many times I went to the room that I was in the town before? You know, I was in 9:52 the town before. So I go to 9:50 and I'm knocking on some stranger's door. Cause I'm zumped out over all of these games. And so I would love it to see them drop the number of games. And I do think it will raise participation and urgency. Yes, the urgency to win and get your seating in the playoffs. You don't have that 10 game cushion now. You got to get off to good starts. Like, you can't have big lulls in the middle of your season. Like a lot of things it affects. And so I think Adam Silver is always looking at ways to make it more competitive. And you look at the end tournament, the tournament in season tournament, and you look at the play in all of those things have made our league more competitive, more entertaining. So I think if he looks at this and find a way that that impacts competitiveness, he'll make the change.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, there are 20 more possessions per game than 20 years ago. That, that is, that is a whole different.
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David Fisdale
Crazy.
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Colin Cowherd
That's crazy. It's like, it's really remarkable. And then there is some load management for older players. And I want to end with this older player, LeBron. I mean you coached against him. It's, it doesn't, it's like Tom Brady. It doesn't make any sense. He's going to retire not because he can't play, he's going to retire because he's tired of travel or something. When, when was the. I want to. Let's go back to the beginning. And you were in the league for 16, 17 years. When was the first time you got a look at LeBron and did you have a sense like, okay, he's built like a football player. He's a power forward body with guard handles. Did you know instantly when you saw him?
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David Fisdale
Wow. I saw him in the ninth grade playing for the Oakland Soldiers when I was a young assistant coach in college recruiting. When I saw him then, I knew he was going to be special. He already had. His handle was excellent. He was obviously a freak athlete, but his understanding of how to play, how to manipulate the game, you know, all of those things was already intact. So I was looking at him like an athletic Magic Johnson, Right. And then once he hit the league, I was a young assistant. His rookie year, I was behind the bench with Eric Musselman in Golden State, and it was him, D. Wade, Bosh Melo, that class. And I got to see all of those guys up close. That was my first year coaching in the NBA.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow.
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David Fisdale
And this guy came to Golden State and I was like, what in the world? I'm like, if this is the new NBA, this is crazy. You know, it's kind of like the Wemby. It was like how I reacted to Wemby, you know, when I first saw him, I was like, oh, my God. Like, look at this kid. He is 18 years old. Like, it didn't make sense. I couldn't register because Even Kobe looked 18, right? Kevin Garnett looked 18. LeBron's body looked 30. Like he was already a man. And so, you know, watching him go through that process and him growing and then actually getting to coach him for those four years in Miami, you know, and seeing his mental growth and his competitive growth in Miami, suffering, you know, the ultimate suffering when we lost to Dallas and that taking him to what we see now, which is a level you were in.
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Colin Cowherd
You were in Miami. So you got him. You were around him for four years, weren't you?
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David Fisdale
So now.
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Colin Cowherd
So you explain what it was like early. When you're around him every day at practice, what's it like?
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David Fisdale
His. His dedication to the craft is second to none. The time he puts into his craft, I have never seen. I mean, Kevin Durant is the most relentless worker I've seen on the court in a workout. LeBron James's body of work in a day unmatched. I watched this guy. I would get to the office at 6am I'll give you a perfect day. You're going to love this. I'll pull up into the parking lot. A guy rides in on a speed, 10 speed with the black tights and the helmet and glasses. I'm like, who is this guy in our Garage. He takes off the helmet is Brian. He's rolled into work on a bike and got all his condition. He rode miles into work, full sweat at 6am so he walks into the building, he's already ready to go on the court. I meet him on the court. We put in a full another hour. Then we practice. Then he lifts, then he does all of this stuff to repair his body. By the time he leaves, his kids are getting out of school. And I have never seen a player do that day after day after day. And so for him to be where he is now, it is no surprise to me. He took his gifts like a lot of guys get gifts. He took those gifts and maximized them and squeezed them out of his, like every bit of it out of him. And you know, for him to be doing this now, we should really be like, as fans, grateful. I know a lot of people always go back and forth because they always putting them in the goat conversation. But as fans, just be grateful for like a guy that's that committed to bringing it every night, to having himself ready and to pushing himself to a championship level. I think it's something to marvel at.
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Colin Cowherd
Man, you tell great stories. David Fisdale. I remember the last time you were on, I was like, boy, that guy tells good stories and you look good.
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David Fisdale
I say some stuff.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you have. I mean, when you see the first LeBron and then you see the ninth grade LeBron and then you coach with and you coached him a couple years in the Lakers as well. So you've seen him everywhere.
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David Fisdale
Yep, everywhere.
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Colin Cowherd
It's great, Great seeing you coach. I really is. I always love talking to you.
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David Fisdale
Same here. My man, you do an unbelievable job. I love watching your show.
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Colin Cowherd
I appreciate it. David Fisdale, a thinking man's basketball coach. Isn't that great. He saw LeBron in ninth grade and then he's his first year in the NBA. LeBron comes into town, then he gets to coach LeBron multiple times. And I'm amazed that LeBron's on a bicycle in Miami. Traffic going at 6am in Miami. I've been in Miami traffic in the morning. I go there for super bowl week. I'm afraid for my safety in cars, not on a bike. That's great stories. That was unbelievable.
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