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LeVar Arrington
Jalbum.net thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio.
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Jonas Knox
It is the Herd. Fox Sports Radio Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app. You can also listen on hundreds of affiliates all across the country and we will be taking you all the way up until 3 o' clock Eastern Time, noon Pacific. Lavar and I do a show alongside Brady QUINN Weekday morning, 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 clock Pacific. Significantly earlier than this show. Lot earlier. But you can hear us weekday mornings on two Pros and a Cup of Joan when there's no Brady Quinn and it's just lavar and I. We like to refer to ourselves as Black and Drac.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Jonas Knox
Because, yeah, I look like Dracula and Lavar.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm black.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah. So it's pretty, pretty simple for those of you listening here and trying to figure out who's who, that would be what that is. So I am Drac, he's Black. And we are off and running here on this Tuesday morning here. And you know, apparently not everybody feels like they were told the truth from time to time. You know, some, some people feel like in the NFL that maybe if they would have had some different information, maybe things would have gone a little bit, a little bit more, I guess on the opposite spectrum with how they made their decisions and how they opted to make Those career choices during the course of their illustrious high paying NFL employment. And one of those guys is none other than Kirk Cousins who was featured on Netflix's Quarterback Season two. And he talked about the decision to go to Atlanta and how well, had I known that maybe I wouldn't have made that move.
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Kirk Cousins
Wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback so high at the time. It felt like I had been a little bit misled or certainly if I had the information around free agency, it certainly would have affected my decision. I had no reason to leave Minnesota with how much we loved it there if both teams are going to be drafting a quarterback high.
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Colin Cowherd
But I've also learned in 12 years.
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Kirk Cousins
In this league that you're not entitled to anything thing. It's all about being able to earn your spot and prove yourself.
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Colin Cowherd
So that's the last part, is the best part of it. I mean you've been in the league long enough to understand that they handle things the way they handle things. And you make your decision based off of the information that you have and the possibilities of what could take place beyond that period. Like that's, that's about it. Like it's a pretty open shut situation. Like, okay, how many other players do you think have been misled that are in a position of, of choosing in free agency? Like anybody could come up with a reason as to why they feel like they've been misled. What the bottom line is, is you have a job, it's a great paying job. You are paid as a starter. They took a quarterback. It wasn't Michael Penix that took your took your job or you didn't get a fair opportunity. You played your way out of the job. It's like you misled the Atlanta Falcons. They didn't feel like they were going to have to use Michael Pinnock that early, but they had to because you got the yips. Like you got hit, you didn't want to get hit anymore. You start turning the ball over, you start playing poorly and they felt like they needed to switch it up and see if they could get a spark because you weren't playing well. Is that, is that, is that fair?
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Jonas Knox
Yeah, I, although I would say this, if you're Kirk Cousins, I wonder if part of him not playing well, obviously he's coming off the injury, but he even alluded to, you know, just sort of having to learn an entirely new offense, having to learn all of these new things that also adding that on top of the fact that you drafted a quarterback as high as you did, I just Think when you take a quarterback that high in the draft, the clock starts ticking and I wonder if Cousins felt a certain way and could just never let it go when he got to the season because he can say all the right things like, you know, listen, anything can happen in the NFL to business. I think that he looked at that and it was always in the back of his mind, like, I'm out here, I'm with this team, I'm with this organization, yet they went and did something that I did not expect. They went and did something that, had I known that I wouldn't have left Minnesota because he was successful in Minnesota. And I wonder if that added to the pressure that he felt in trying to go out and perform and all doing so while coming back from the same injury that Aaron Rodgers suffered. And we saw that played out and he suffered it later in the year.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, if you wanted to stay in Minnesota and you had the opportunity to stay in Minnesota, you make your choice. You make your choice. If the value is there for you to want to stay, then you stay. But you made a choice. So there's no reason to come back after all this time and say you were misled or I would have stayed in Minnesota. Minnesota was easily, clearly the best situation for you to be in, personnel wise. You have an amazing receiving core. You got a dope tight end, you got a good offensive line, you got a running back, you got a pretty decent defense. You were in position pole position to take over to the NFC north and be a competitor in the North. And oh, by the way, they did it with Sam Darnold. They did it with Sam Darnold. Don't say, I thought I had a great situation here and this, that and other. And I could have did this. And they were going to draft a quarterback, then they're going to draft a quarterback. Aaron Rodgers had to deal with them drafting quarterbacks multiple drafts, multiple times.
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Jonas Knox
But I, I think Kirk Cousins, he talked with Minnesota and they let their intentions be known. A, by the way, we'd love to have you back, but we are going to address the quarterback position in the draft. They were upfront with him, which is why he made the decision to go to Atlanta. Because he said, look, I understand that I don't want to be in that situation, so I'm going to go sign somewhere else where I can be the guy. And I know that, oops, he drafted a quarterback too. Kirk Cousins is like, well, if I would have known that I would just stay, I would have just stayed in Minnesota and there wouldn't have been any issue whatsoever. And they wanted to keep him. Kevin o' Connell wanted to keep him. But it's, you know, it just goes to show you that you can't have it all because everyone talks about Kirk Cousins and you know, he's, he's won in the, you know, the business of business in the NFL and contracts and guarantees and all that stuff. And right when you think that you've got it all figured out, hey, look, I appreciate it, but I'm going to go somewhere else, I'm going to make a ton of money and you guys are going to draft a quarterback of the future. All good. It's business here. Then business came back and bit him in the ass a little bit. And now he's in a bad spot.
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Colin Cowherd
He got his contract. He got his contract. What type of a bad spot is he in? He didn't get the contract of a backup. He got the contract of a starter. You're, you've got the contract of a starter. Your team didn't definitively take a strong step in, in winning last year. Atlanta is still a question mark. Team Michael Pennix is, people are excited about him, but it's still a question mark, question mark for him at quarterback. As to what he can do for this team, I, I think he, he may have released this prematurely. There's no reason for you to put this out there. The bottom line is you might have ended up in the same exact situation in Minnesota. You might have got the yips, you might have played bad and maybe J.J. mcCarthy doesn't get hurt. Maybe he takes your position. Maybe you're a backup with a starting quarterback salary and you have to eat it like anybody else who loses their job and one of the most competitive industries that exist in the world.
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Jonas Knox
I think he took on too much, to be honest with you. I think he got to Atlanta and he took on recovering from an injury, learning an entirely new system.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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Jonas Knox
Oh, and by the way, the clock's ticking because we just drafted a guy 8th overall.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep. So all you got to do is eliminate, eliminate one of those, those components. If, if you're in maybe even two, you eliminate because he has to still deal with coming off of the injury, even if he's in Minnesota. And, and, and as, as far as going and learning a new offense, that would be the only one that you would eliminate because you were still going to have to fight if they kept Kirk Cousins. I do not believe that that impacts if they take a quarterback or not. In fact, I think that that's why Kirk Cousins got the hell out of.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah, because they told him that we're.
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Colin Cowherd
Taking a quarterback in the end if he decided to stay. If you decided to stay and they draft the quarterback, all of the circumstances he's facing, except the playbook are still in play. You got to try to come back from off of the injury. You gotta. You gotta come back and you gotta hold off the rookie. It's happened before. It's happened before. There have been quarterbacks that have been established quarterbacks for their team. Somebody gets drafted and they're competing for that job. In fact, for what it's worth, outside of it being a high draft pick, that's the only thing that makes it a more viable conversation. Because the bottom line is every single roster spot, not just starting every single roster spot, is a intense battle to get it. It's like playing. It's like having the most amazing athletes play musical chairs with one seat. Who's going to get it? That's the NFL. So to me, you got to always be prepared to compete. So whether it was a high draft pick or. Or not, who's ever backing you up, they want. They most likely want to start. They most likely want your job so that they can put themselves in position where they can ask for the type of money you're making. You're always competing. So there's no. To me, there's no such thing as. In this type of scenario, in this. In this topic line that you can say you were misled. Because the bottom line is if you don't understand coming into the National Football League, that you just got drafted or you just got hired to take somebody else's job for lesser money, and that's every single person that's brought in. If you don't understand that coming in, then you're behind. You're behind. You can't mislead somebody. Oh, I thought I was coming in just to be the starter. You're just going to only have me as a starter. No, there's somebody there that if they can get the same results from you, like a Sam Darnold, and they don't have to pay you what they pay a Patrick Mahomes or Dak Prescott or Joe Burrow, they don't have to pay that. That's who they're going with until they can't. That's why rookie contracts are so important. I don't have to pay you for being amazing. I got three, four years that I can go. Maybe more, maybe longer if I want. And I can get that talent at this price, bottom line, I feel bad for Kirk Husband. You should.
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Jonas Knox
Let me tell you why.
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Colin Cowherd
Why?
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Jonas Knox
Because this would have been the equivalent to the 72 dolphins perfect season when it came to the business standpoint of the NFL. He could have walked away and said, got them all beat. Everybody got franchise tagged twice in Washington, got all that money and then became the first guy to get a fully guaranteed contract. He even dangled Minnesota and the jets other and then sold everybody on. I took $3 million less to go play in Minnesota because I liked it more. And then he was about to get another extension. All of a sudden he gets an injury and he says, you know what? Oh, you're going to draft a quarterback. No worry. I'll continue this bank heist. I'll go to another bank in Atlanta and I'll take from them. And he was about ready to get out of there. Coming off an injury with all those hundreds of millions of guarantees that he's got. And all of a sudden, the damn Falcons front office is waiting outside with a squad car and they scoop him up and there goes his perfect run in the NFL business world. Gone, man up and vanish like a fart in the wind. Could have been perfect. Everything lined up just right, and the damn Falcons ruined it all. Feel bad for Kirk Cousins.
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Colin Cowherd
He got the contract.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah. Now he's stuck as a backup. He's trying to get the hell out of there.
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Colin Cowherd
Hold on, hold on. It's all about perspective again. Let me reiterate. He could have been stuck as the backup in Minnesota.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah. But he liked it there. It was perfect. Everything was perfect.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, then take a pay cut. Go back. Take a pay cut. Go back. They misled you. Get back some of that signing bonus and go back.
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Jonas Knox
He was.
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Colin Cowherd
To me. Yeah, right. To me. He's already. He's already won. It's not. He didn't blemish his perfect record of handling business at a. At a high level. Not at all. He got his contract. He wasn't misled on his contract. He wasn't misled on them numbers. Now, if he comes out and he says some of this stuff is based off of incentives and escalators and playing time. Okay, I get that. If you were misled that way. He has. He has a legitimate gripe. He has a legitimate gripe. But as far as I'm concerned, the reason why he's in the hall of Fame of doing business and doing contract is because he gets his money. The money that he's going to get, he's going to get whether he's a backup or whether he's a starter. And if that's the case, he's already winning. You're winning. Michael Penix has all the pressure on him. If he doesn't prove out they didn't move you, you're the backup, something jumps off, you get back in, take your shot and then whatever happens next, you leverage it to maybe try to get another deal out of it. That's how it works. No reason to have hard feelings, no need to feel sorry for him and no need to be a victim in this in the matter.
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Jonas Knox
Hey, you know, Kirk, I support you, man. You know, your pursuit for perfection. And all of a sudden the Falcons ruined it all. It's too bad, man. It is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin here on FSR. By the way, coming up later on, Bruce Feldman's gonna stop by. We've got some very interesting information about a big time move that took place in the world of college football. And we're gonna have the Herdline news all the fun stuff here on this three hour extravaganza coming up next year though, somebody is saying, you know what, last year was a bit too much. It's all about the revenge tour this year in the NFL. And that's yours right here on fsr.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jonas Knox
It is the Herd, Fox Sports Radio Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up in about 20 minutes from now, we are going to have the first installment of the Herdline news starring the one and only Ryan Music that'll be yours here again 20 minutes from now here on FSR. We do have a team that's going full red ass mode this year. And that team Puffy Bottom would be the Kansas City Chiefs. The Kansas City Chiefs, who find themselves in unfamiliar territory getting exposed in the Super Bowl. Philly put a clown suit on him early and that game was over before halftime. And Patrick Mahomes of the Kansas City Chiefs spoke with K. Adams on up and Adams and he talked to, you know, let's have some fun again. All right. Let's get back to the good old days.
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Kirk Cousins
I think it's just us having fun again. I mean, I mean it's, it's always been fun playing on the Kansas City Chiefs. That's what makes it special. And I feel like last year, I don't want to say it was pressure, but guys wanted to go out there and win every single week. Not for the fun of the game, just because we're supposed to. Let's go out there and have fun. I mean, the wins will come if we play the way that we're, we know we can play. We have the talent, we have the coaches. We work harder than anybody in the NFL. So let's go out there and have fun and let the results handle themselves.
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Jonas Knox
So it's going to be a different looking Chiefs this year. Not so much pressure. Not trying to go for three in a row, none of that garbage. Get back to the good old days. Just go out there and sling it and put a smile on your face.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, it's great to mask it that way. The loss certainly hit the reset on the record setting amount of wins in the Super Bowl. It, it cleared out the dynasty talk maybe for a summer. A summer, maybe.
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Jonas Knox
They're still a dynasty, aren't they?
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Colin Cowherd
Are they?
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Jonas Knox
I would think so, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Maybe one more.
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Jonas Knox
Really?
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Colin Cowherd
They got two, right?
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Jonas Knox
No, they've got three.
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Colin Cowherd
Three Super Bowls. Yeah, it's a dynasty. It's a dynasty. But, but okay, well, then let's say greatest dynasty, right? If you set a record on three straight, that's pretty, that's pretty fly. That's pretty fly biz. I think it's good because they are finding ways. You'll always see and hear stories from the greatest to ever do it. Whether they're teams, whether it's players, whether it's a coach, they always find a way to motivate themselves, to inspire themselves. And, and a lot of times it's made up because they're still the most elite football team in the National Football League.
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Jonas Knox
Alvin Mack.
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Colin Cowherd
They're still. There you go. Hey, kill them all. They are still the, the gold standard of what a team is supposed to be, how they're supposed to be ran, coached, players, quarterback, you name it. They have more talent this year and they probably do feel less pressure because winning one super bowl feels very different than trying to win the third in a row Super Bowl. And look at, look at how they delivered on that under those circumstances. They were still able to deliver an appearance in the Super Bowl. So imagine a better team, perceivably a better football team, more talent than what they had last year. More, at least more weapons for Patrick Mahomes. It's probably going to be a more explosive def. A more explosive offense. The defense did most of the carrying last year. If the offense resurfaces and is more and is more aggressive and putting up points like they did before then, now you're talking about that restoring of the balance that you saw when the Cheetah was on the team and it was the Cheetah and Kelsey. There's the possibility that they could have an offense as dynamic and with plenty of explosive plays with this team that they have coming in this season. So of course Patrick Mahomes is going to be excited. They're going to have a burr, you know, and, and they're going to get after it because they came up short and they probably felt like that's one that they let get away that would have been in the record books forever. So, I mean, give credit where credit's due. At least they're not in a place of complacency. That's what you should be concerned about. If we're listening to a quote from Patrick Mahomes and it's like, you know, we've won a lot. You know, we just get to work. It's the off season and, you know, we'll get to the season and we'll see, we'll see how it goes. I mean, we've won a lot here. We've had a lot of great success. So with the runs that we've had, this run that we've had during this time, you know, let's. I mean, everything's got to be. Everything's got to be a positive, a bonus from. From here on out because we've delivered so much to you.
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Jonas Knox
You know, it's wild. The Chiefs are so unrelatable to just about every single fan base and organization in the league. All that they've known since Patrick Mahomes became the full time starter is AFC championships or Super Bowls. And the two AFC title games, they lost, they lost in overtime. Other than that, they're going to the super bowl every year and they're at least in the conversation to win another title. There are fan bases starving out there that just want one. Can we make one super bowl appearance.
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Colin Cowherd
That are just starving to make it to the playoffs? I went to the playoffs two times in my career and one I was playing and one I was injured.
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Jonas Knox
And you. I mean, you basically assaulted Chris Sims in the other one, didn't you?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I was playing in that one.
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Jonas Knox
Didn't you burst his spleen?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I think.
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Jonas Knox
Wasn't that. Wasn't it Maybe you. I think we might have got him.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know. I. I don't think that was me.
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Jonas Knox
I think Lavar almost killed Chris Sims.
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Colin Cowherd
I might have. It's been a while. I remember the interception and I got knocked out. Like they knocked.
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Jonas Knox
Really?
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, I was out. I fumbled too, by the way. It was a fumble. They didn't rule it a fumble, but that was a fumble. That was a fumble.
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Jonas Knox
Who hit you?
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Colin Cowherd
I was a lineman. I don't know. I don't remember. I still don't remember to this day. But I might have hit him pretty hard and I guess I don't remember me hitting him hard in that game. I remember Sean Taylor spitting Pittman's face. I think he got kicked out of that game too.
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Jonas Knox
He's spitting Michael Pittman's face like that's.
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Colin Cowherd
Think talk about a.
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Jonas Knox
Might not be the guy you want to spit on.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that's Sean Taylor, though.
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Jonas Knox
Sean.
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Colin Cowherd
Talk about Godzilla versus King Kong. I mean, that would have been a nice little matchup. Plus we would have not let anything happen to Sean. And then a mic would have had to deal with me. Then we would all been kicked out because I would have been whooping ass. Everybody would have been whooping ass, so. But I was knocked out in that game. What you got, Lee?
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Jonas Knox
Lee? What are we looking at here? According to the Google machine, lavar Arrington.
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Colin Cowherd
Did intercept Chris Sims in a pivotal playoff game. Yeah, but there's no evidence of you physically hitting Chris Sim.
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Jonas Knox
So what if you just like, if you put it into AI, did levar Arrington kill Chris Sim? Like, what would show up there? That's what you put in.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Physically. No evidence of physically harming Chris Sims.
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Jonas Knox
Well, listen, I feel like that's reckless.
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Colin Cowherd
AI reporting there, but nonetheless, like, it wasn't Chris Sims. It was. It was Brad Johnson.
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Jonas Knox
Well, but Chris Sims did have the burst spleen or something like that in that game. I'm almost positive there was a playoff game. Chris Sims went out because. And Gruden was the coach, right? Gruden was the coach for Tampa at that time. Yeah. Lavar had a force fumble in that game. Look at that. Yeah, he really did kill him.
- [32:03]
Colin Cowherd
I forced a fumble. Eight tackles, a forced fumble and an interception.
- [32:07]
Jonas Knox
Hell, yeah.
- [32:08]
Colin Cowherd
I might have hurting. I might have hurt him.
- [32:11]
Jonas Knox
Like, I'm pretty sure Chris Simms.
- [32:13]
Colin Cowherd
That's a hell of a game, by the way.
- [32:15]
Jonas Knox
Internal bleeding.
- [32:17]
Colin Cowherd
I'm telling you, I was a beast when I. When I played. I mean, eight tackles, a sack int that. That's a hell of a game. I mean, that's probably better than any other linebacker or defensive player that had a game. That's. That's an MVP performance.
- [32:35]
Jonas Knox
Damn. He really didn't remember.
- [32:37]
Colin Cowherd
Didn't you?
- [32:37]
Ryan Music
No.
- [32:39]
Colin Cowherd
Damn. I did all right. I used to be something, man, before I started doing radio with you, I used to be something.
- [32:44]
Jonas Knox
I'm telling you, man, look at it.
- [32:45]
Colin Cowherd
All went downhill ever since now.
- [32:47]
Jonas Knox
Told you. You are at the top of the top. And now you're doing radio midday with Count Chocula.
- [32:53]
Colin Cowherd
How's that feel? How most cursed. We almost had to dump out. And it was. It was a F bomb.
- [33:00]
Jonas Knox
You went to. You were teammates with Bruce Smith, Dion, Sean Taylor. And you look over to your left and you got me, Daryl Green, Mark Carrier, some guy with two dumb tattoos.
- [33:08]
Colin Cowherd
Marco Coleman, and a truck from the.
- [33:10]
Jonas Knox
90S in the parking lot.
- [33:11]
Colin Cowherd
He's got a. He's got a thorn bush, A thorn bush around his arm and his dog on his back. You know my had the mighty fall. Yeah, it's all good, man.
- [33:22]
Jonas Knox
Part two.
- [33:23]
Colin Cowherd
It is what it is. That's why I rock my gray beard and I wear my little image glasses. I like to be incognito because, you know, this is who I am now. This is where we are.
- [33:34]
Jonas Knox
This is what we're doing. This is what we're doing now on the subject though of the playoff run for the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Rahms talking about just getting back to having fun again. I just, I hope that he, and he probably won't until his career is over, but I hope that he and Chiefs fans and that entire organization understand how good they have it. I hope that they really do understand it because sometimes you could get caught up in the weeds on, you know, just sort of, oh, well, listen, it's the grind day to day. Patrick Mahomes also talked to Tom Brady. He's been talking to Tom Brady a lot, this from up and Adams. And he spoke about the advice he's gotten from TV 12.
- [34:16]
Kirk Cousins
He always talks about being yourself. He thinks that which I truly believe too is that guys can spot when you're not authentic and you're not putting in the work. And that's something that he did every single day. That's why guys respected him so much. And that's all I'm going to do for the rest of my career. And I feel like I've done so far as I'm always myself, no matter if you like me or if you don't like me, you know that I'm giving everything I can to win the football game.
- [34:35]
Jonas Knox
So Brady giving him all the advice, Brady was a guy who struck me as was constantly worried about the grind and never satisfied with what he had. And even Brady probably looks at the start of Patrick Mahomes career and goes, damn, man. There's been no, literally no decline with the Chiefs since Patrick Mahomes has taken.
- [34:55]
Colin Cowherd
Over the toughest division.
- [34:57]
Jonas Knox
Yes.
- [34:58]
Colin Cowherd
It's not like he's doing it in a weak ass division. He's got to go to work every single year. It's not been easy. So the road that he's had to hoe, he's been doing it on some real treacherous terrain and he's still been able to navigate it. That's the biggest question here. As long as Patrick Mahomes stays healthy, you got to assume the process is in play. The understanding of what the defense needs to deliver and what the offense needs to do in order for them to win is, is all solidified. If Patrick Mahomes were to go down, is that the death of, of their successful run? That has to be. His health has to be maybe the biggest question in terms of moving forward. As long as he can stay healthy, which he has been known to get nicked up. You know that ankle, like his ankles give him, give him trouble at times. If if he were to go down, do they have a contingency plan where they can still be the effective team that. That they are when they have. I mean, obviously they're not going to be as good as they would be with him in there. Do they have a contingency plan where they can still win games? If they were to lose Patrick Mahomes for an extended amount of time, yes.
- [36:28]
Jonas Knox
And you know who that is? Gardner Minshew. What are you worried about?
- [36:33]
Colin Cowherd
I'll say this. In that. In that offensive scheme, he probably would thrive.
- [36:39]
Jonas Knox
Hey, listen, Minchu's actually played a lot better than people realize. Like, if you go. Just go look at his numbers, that guy's going to be in the NFL for a long time. You know, the Raiders were a bit of a rough spot. By the way, we're going to have to edit some of the podcast. Apparently, Chris Sims was hurt against the Carolina Panthers. Or if you could use. There you go. Yeah, that's what I'm showing that. That he burst.
- [36:59]
Colin Cowherd
But I might have heard him, though. I might have hurting, but I don't think I did. I do know that something happened to Brad Johnson's ribs in preseason when I hit him. Now, if you want to look that one up, Lee, look that I got fined, like, $10,000 for a legal hit. I legally hit him. The man still had the ball in his hand, and I hit him and I knocked the spirit, soul, mind everything loose and. And some of it out of his body.
- [37:29]
Jonas Knox
If I got fined $10,000, I'd sell my son. Like, I gotta get that money back. 10 GS.
- [37:40]
Colin Cowherd
By the way, that fumble you forced was returned for a touchdown in that 17:10 victory from Sean Taylor. Yeah, I didn't realize that.
- [37:48]
Jonas Knox
You really have fallen a long way. Look at me. Just look to your left. This is life.
- [37:56]
Colin Cowherd
The memories. That's all you really can look for is just living the memories, I guess. 15,000 for striking an opponent in the head. I'm not sure if that's the right one that we're looking at. I got that. Yep. 5,000 for taunting.
- [38:08]
Jonas Knox
Yeah. What was. Career fines. All right, so that's 20,000.
- [38:11]
Colin Cowherd
That's my career fines. 35 total.
- [38:14]
Jonas Knox
35 grand.
- [38:16]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I'll try to look for the other ones. So far. 35 so far. I was the highest fine dude in the league one year until Harbaugh or somebody. Somebody got hit in. In the Chicago Bears game.
- [38:31]
Jonas Knox
Jim Miller.
- [38:32]
Colin Cowherd
Jim Miller. Jim Miller got annihilated and that fine took. Was that Hugh Douglas? Who was that I think it was. Yeah, his fine pushed him to the top. I was number one on the list. And you, Douglas took it on that hit in the Chicago game. Yeah, he took it away from me.
- [38:52]
Jonas Knox
Well, look, I was hitting people in.
- [38:55]
Colin Cowherd
The head, though, I'll tell you that. If there's one thing I was doing, I was what they call targeting. That's. I was a missile to your cranium. That was a missile. That's how I used to. In my mind, like, I'd be lining up in the game, right? I'd be in the game. Here we go. I'm sitting there looking at like, all right, here we go. Out of there, out of there.
- [39:34]
Jonas Knox
Only 35 grand. It's not bad. Hey, man, got out with 35 grand.
- [39:38]
Colin Cowherd
And some of those fines, I mean, maybe those are like my physical finds because I was getting fine. Like, dudes wear their uniforms the way they want to wear their uniforms now. I was wearing. I was getting fined for having my sock too low.
- [39:49]
Jonas Knox
Hey, George Pickens got fined over 200 grand last year by the Steelers.
- [39:53]
Colin Cowherd
So I didn't get fined by the team. I got fined by the league.
- [39:57]
Jonas Knox
Well, the league was fine. League.
- [40:00]
Colin Cowherd
The league was fining me for my uniform violations and hitting people in the head.
- [40:05]
Jonas Knox
Dan Snyder never find you because being there was a fine enough.
- [40:08]
Colin Cowherd
So he should have been paying a fine for being the owner.
- [40:12]
Jonas Knox
Yeah, some would say he did. Hey, it is still looking for him.
- [40:18]
Colin Cowherd
To pay some of that.
- [40:19]
Jonas Knox
It's the herd here on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for calling one more herd.
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Colin Cowherd
The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.
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- [44:02]
Jonas Knox
It'S the herd Fox Sports Radio Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin Coming up in about 20 minutes from now, we are going to have another edition of the Herd Line news for you here on fsr. But right now, we turn it over to the man who covers college football as well as anybody on the planet. He is none other than Bruce Feldman of the Athletic, also of Fox. You see him during big noon kickoff throughout the course of the season. Bestselling author. You can get him on X at Bruce Feldman, cfb. Bruce, good morning slash afternoon. How we feeling?
- [44:35]
Ryan Music
Doing good, actually, at Big 12 media days in Texas. Ran into a guy I think you guys know very well. Partner. Brady. Clint.
- [44:46]
Jonas Knox
Oh, he's there. Oh, okay.
- [44:47]
Colin Cowherd
Go figure.
- [44:48]
Jonas Knox
Look at that.
- [44:48]
Colin Cowherd
You tell him we say hello.
- [44:52]
Ryan Music
I was telling you, miss him.
- [44:54]
Colin Cowherd
Yes, please do. There's a lot of people missing him. Let's check social.
- [45:01]
Jonas Knox
So what can you tell us here? Just in looking at this whole story that's broken in college football when it comes to Texas Tech and their recruitment of Felix Ojo, what can you tell us about how this all started and sort of where we're at? Because we're seeing different reports of what the actual contract is. Saw the 5.1, and then it was 2 million and change. What do you know of the deal thus far?
- [45:27]
Ryan Music
Yeah, so the story broke on July 4th, and I was. I was offline. I was with my family on the holiday. And then the next morning, some of my colleagues at the Athletic, we were trying to confirm that what was reported for $5.1 million for three years and ended up making a bunch of calls and talking to people at Texas Tech who were. Who would know and. And myself and my two colleagues, we had talked to several people in the process, and they said, actually, the figure is for 7.75 each year for three years, and it's not the 5.1. Now, there was a caveat to that, which was that if things change in the revenue sharing model or if there's a lot of deregulation, then maybe it can get up in the 5 million range. But the deal right now is for what we reported at the athletic, which was three years at 775 per. We had talked to the agent involved, and the agent had said, no, it's 5.1. But when we had asked for some confirmation of that, he declined to offer that. And so based on what we know and what we could confirm that it was significantly less than what was reported on Friday.
- [46:51]
Colin Cowherd
I have so many questions. Let's start here with the agent. You got to believe the agent is trying to push that number to the, the figure that he's pushing it to. Because they have no intentions of staying at Texas Tech. Correct. The, the idea that is, is if we can say we got a guaranteed three year contract that, that totals out to the 5 million range, then if we're coming here, you gotta be in that, you gotta be in that parameter or within that realm of compensation for us to even consider coming to your school. That's what I would assume would be the priority of the agent representing these, these college athletes at this point. I mean, would that be safe to say?
- [47:33]
Ryan Music
Well, I think the Lamar, I think on what's going on here is, you know, the agents who you probably, you know, either were, you know, ported by, you know, going into the NFL or worked with, I think those are, you know, a lot of them are, they're certified agents. And it was a different landscape than what we have now. There's a lot of nil agents who aren't certified by anybody and they're trying to get established. And so you'll see a lot of times on social media, whether it's on Twitter or whatnot or Instagram, you'll see people credit and just say so and so told me and they'll reference the agent and maybe they'll even include their, their Twitter handle. And it's a way for them to build that person's brand and help them kind of get established. But also it is a way for that agent to try to set the market or reset the market. Because most people, you know, I'm here, I'm at the big well and the other schools have no idea how much Texas Tech really probably is on the hook to pay. But they just think maybe what happens is the first dollar figure that's put out there that people see on social media, that's the one everybody ends up running with and especially if it's the biggest one. So now it's like that's the one get passed around. Well, is that the going rate for a five star offensive lineman, 5.1 million for three years or is it what they are actually, you know, on the hook for?
- [49:00]
Colin Cowherd
So I think the easy answer, the easy answer to that is it can't be the going rate because nobody does it. It you can't project out to the, to year three. Nobody does it. And, and let, let me just ask this before I, I turn back over to you, Jones, but in terms of guarantees, like in hearing that, that guarantee figure being a part of the conversation, I, I mean, what type of language? Because I was just saying during the break. If my kid, which he got offered more money from other schools than the school he ended up going to to. But if my, if they offered a guaranteed contract to my kid, you can't put language in there binding him to a contract where he has to stay there for the entire time. And, and if you did, we wouldn't take that contract. There would be no reason to accept a guaranteed contract for three years. If you're saying you have to be here for three years because we don't know what the circumstances hold for him or your school during the course of that time. But I want the money guaranteed. If I'm a parent or I'm an agent, I want it guaranteed. Has there been any conversation surrounding that? If he were to go into the transfer portal having a guaranteed contract for three years, what happens then? Do they sue him? Do they sue to school? Do they, do they. What recourse is in place if you do a three year, three year deal? Because no one's ever done a three year guaranteed deal.
- [50:25]
Ryan Music
Right. And there is, I don't think there is any guarantee, you know, in the true word guarantee, true sense of it. I think that sounded good when he probably told the reporter as such. But right now there's nothing that can be signed anyway because of the way all of this is set up. You can't have a signed contract right now that is specifically would be against any kind of rules. Okay. And so there's that. Then there's the other part of it when you can say, who can you sue? You can sue anybody. And you know, in the country, you know, doesn't mean you're going to win, but I'm sure there'll be potential for lawsuits. But think about it this way. If you're, and I've had these conversations with football coaches in my city, like if they're, if somebody's going to leave to go to a different school, let's say, you know, he's at Texas Tech and he wants to go to Texas. Well, if you're a football coach, you want to do that, you got to pay a buyout or, you know, if it's a contract, you have to get out of it. And there's financial penalties that are often with that. And so this thing is so different than I think the contracts you probably add in the NFL or the contracts that we see typically in pro sports. Because you got to remember all of the athletes and your son fits in this too. They're not employees. Coaches are employees, but college athletes right now are not. They're not deemed that now. Maybe at some point it'll get to that designation, but it's not right now. So we're in. I mean it's still such a messy situation all the way around.
- [51:56]
Jonas Knox
Bruce Feldman joining us here on the Herd here, fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for calling. You know, it's not like Ojo's the only one this week, especially for Texas Tech. You've got Ashton Rowden, who's the four star cornerback or a four star running back. You've got the four star cornerback and Donovan Webb. There's also speculation that they're looking at Cooper hackett, who's a five star offensive tackle in the 2027 class. What is the vibe there about Texas tech at Big 12 media days from people you talk to? Are they giving them kind of the side eye? Are they looking at it saying hey, fair play, they figured this thing out and they're going out and they're spending and they're getting some of these top recruits.
- [52:36]
Ryan Music
It's mixed. It's funny like we just had these conversations with a couple of coaches here. On one hand, one of them said, hey, you know, good for them if they have it like that. I wish I had that situation. Another coach was, was much more, he was like, I think it's asinine how this is set up and I don't think that it's going to work this way. And wondered. I just didn't see it as a sustainable model. It's no, you know, like, I think it's great in one sense. If you're a fan of this school, you're like, oh my God, we're beating Texas and we're beating Oklahoma and we're beating LSU for recruits we never would have beaten them before, you know, and so there's that. But you know, I get why coaches who are actually in the business in the middle of this and know it and know what it's like to have a locker room and to try to maintain a locker room. It's like it's unsustainable. And so it's a fascinating experiment that's going on in Love for sure. Right now.
- [53:33]
Colin Cowherd
There's so much that is on. It's just not structured. And how can you have it structured when you never been here before and you don't have any comps to be able to do it? And, and you mentioned the whole employee deal. It's still not pay for play. That like that is very, very prominent in how the language is used as opposed to you know, what is taking place at the college level. So if you are not a paid to play person, can you do that? Can you? And I don't want to put you on the spot if you don't have the information, that's fine. But I'm just curious in terms of language, language, the, the house settlement versus the NCAA versus nil. It has to maintain being nil specific or you're turning them into paid employees if it's just the university paying them. So when we talk about the rev share payment of the 20 million that's capped to pay these, these teams and, and where that money comes from, how, how it's given to the athletes, what is the difference now with that house settlement between the money that is given from the revenue sharing and the nil? So say it's like the, the collectives that are, are paying them X amount of dollars for, for or they're getting nil deals, you know, with different companies, whatever it may be. Is there a distinct difference between that house settlement revenue and the nil and how these, these athletes are getting paid for nil deals?
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Ryan Music
It depends on who you talk to. Certain schools say it's not, now their schools say it has to be. And what you've seen is a lot of places and teams and we're just talking about one of them, the most prominent one now. They have front loaded the rosters and I think you're seeing a lot of that go on where teams are going to have budgets of 45 and 50 and 52 and as high as $55 million this year. Now you're telling me all of a sudden a year from now they're going to drop down to less than half of that. You know, we all know we worked around sports and long enough that's not the direction it ever goes in. So. And we also know that there's always workarounds when it comes to college sports. Whether it's a bagman, whether it's a bag of McDonald's that's full of cash. There's always ways that people have game the system. Why would we think it's not going to happen with a lot of these schools?
- [56:08]
Colin Cowherd
You forgot car in the parking lot at the airport.
- [56:11]
Jonas Knox
By the way, Bruce, for somebody that covers college football, I was making the joke and I was half kidding yesterday that it just, it was so much easier when this stuff was illegal because we could just focus on, all right, who's got the top recruiting class. However they got it, they got it. But you had the usual suspects and now you've got schools like Texas Tech who are all of a sudden like, oh, wait a second, like, we could be a part of this dance as well, too. I just. I don't know how it lands with you, but it feels like there's a lot of unanswered questions, and I just don't know when we're going to get to the end where this is what it is. These are the parameters, and let's just focus on college football and college football alone again.
- [56:53]
Ryan Music
Yeah. And for me, I mean, that's kind of where I land on. It's like, all right, show me who's going to be on the field and we're going to. Well, like, I, you know, I don't have a dog in the fight, you know, where I just want to see. I still love the games, but, like, you know, right now it's just. I've been around long enough to know that there's always workarounds and there's always people who are working the margins. And it's different than the NFL where, you know, you get punished. Draft picks or buying. If you have too physical a practice or whatever. They, you know. But at some point, I think college football will get to, you know, collective bargaining, but they're not there right now. And right now, I think it's still going to be the wild, wild west, even if they try to pretend it's not. This is the reality and this is how they operate.
- [57:45]
Colin Cowherd
Isn't there. Isn't there a governing body just real quick that when they did the settlement that they get to or like a clearinghouse that they make sure it's compliant? Right. They can kill a deal and say, you're not supposed to get that. Kids, the value of what you're paying him does not match what it is that the kid is doing. Where does. Where does that fall in? Where is that used?
- [58:11]
Ryan Music
I. We're gonna see how that plays out because you also have to get the cooperation from all these nil agents to put in the paperwork. Are they really going to all do that? What are they? You know, I just think there's a lot of things when it comes to Deloitte, who's going to be the accounting firm that's going to be involved with this, and ML, former MLB executive who's now, you know, kind of the top, top in this. I'll believe it when I see it. Just because we've seen. I'm talking to too many coaches who are just kind of like, rolled up their sleeves and are like, oh, yeah, this is going to be a mess because they know that's the, you know, it's not like the people involved are not different. There's just more middlemen involved and there's just more, more rules to kind of navigate or circumvent. We want to look at it.
- [58:57]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [58:58]
Jonas Knox
Bruce Feldman, Fox college football reporter, writer, analyst, part one financial guru.
- [59:07]
Colin Cowherd
Now we got a lot of meat on.
- [59:09]
Jonas Knox
You can also read his stuff on the athletic. Get him on X at. Bruce Feldman, CFB live from Big 12 media days. Bruce, always appreciate it, man. Thanks so much and hope to do it again soon.
- [59:19]
Colin Cowherd
Appreciate you, buddy. Yes, sir.
- [59:20]
Ryan Music
Take care.
- [59:21]
Colin Cowherd
All righty.
- [59:21]
Jonas Knox
There he is. Bruce Feldman with us here.
- [59:23]
Colin Cowherd
So much to discuss. Man, the rabbit hole is such a deep rabbit hole, man, and it's dark. I'm telling you. It's a dark rabbit hole. This is going to get, I see it getting ugly before it gets better. There's a whole lot to work through with already pulling the trigger on allowing this, this type of funds to go out and, and somebody who brings them funds to the table. It's just, it's so much, so much to it. And I've been, you know, I've been immersed in this for, since it's happened, Jonas. Like, I've, I've been connected to it and, and several different manners and capacities. And it is so confusing. It's so, even having it organized and understood, it's still very confusing. And if it's confusing to people who are really, really in it and learning it and, and using it, then you got to believe that everybody else is, is in the same, in the same situation. You know, it's, it's not very easily to understand because there are a lot of things that are not in place that need place, structurally speaking. There is not an infrastructure in place where the current state of college athletics can thrive and be successful in. Something's going to happen. It's like trying to run a website, a web page that isn't programmed the right way. It's going to crash, and you're going to lose all of the data and everything that's connected to it. That's kind of what the NCAA or what college sports is on that, that trajectory right now. It's going to crash.
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Jonas Knox
It is the herd. Here on fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jo Bonus, Knox in for Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
I knew I wanted to obey and.
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Bruce Feldman
Submit, but I didn't fully grasp for the rest of my life what that meant for my heart. Podcasts and Rococo Punch this is the Turning River Road in the woods of Minnesota, a cult leader married himself to 10 girls and forced them into a secret laboratory life of abuse. But in 2014, the youngest escaped. Listen to the Turning river road on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you like they will punch back. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season one Taser Incorporated.
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Jonas Knox
I get right back there and it's bad.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to Absolute Season 1 Taser incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Bruce Feldman
This is an iHeart podcast.