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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
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Alex Curry
Gambling problem.
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Jason McIntyre
Call 1-800-GAMBLER in New York, call 877-8-HOPENY.
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Alex Curry
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Alex Curry
This is the best of the herd.
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Jason McIntyre
With Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio.
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Alex Curry
What is up, everybody? It's me, Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd on a beautiful Monday morning out here in Los Angeles. Colin, vacationing. Yes. This week nobody takes for vacation patience than the big guy. I'm joined today by Alex Curry. Alex. Oh, we have a great show. The staff we got find some great stuff. We're gonna have a great week. Colin.
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Colin Cowherd
You can keep going on vacations.
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Alex Curry
We're holding down the floor. We're gonna have a great time.
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Jason McIntyre
We're doing our best.
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Alex Curry
How was your weekend? Was a phenomenal or excellent or just like mediocre. You know, I try to make every.
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Colin Cowherd
Day the best day ever. It's kind of my mindset in life. So. Yeah, we did good.
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Alex Curry
We did good with what we had. June is here. I love the month of June. Kids are finishing up school. You got the weather warming up. I know you're gonna the beach a lot right before. Well, yeah, we live at the beach.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's like that's, you know. Yeah, we're, we're very. We're spoiled. I don't, I don't like bragging about it too much live on national tv because we live in. I mean, I'm biased. I'm born and raised here like one.
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Alex Curry
Of the most beautiful places in the country. But yeah, no, we're lucky. Yeah, we are. And you guys are lucky because we got a phenomenal show today. Great guests. I do have to start with some bad news and it involves my New York Knicks. I'm ride or die for this team. My first game I ever went to as an NBA fan was the Knicks way back when I was a kid. And their season came to a difficult end Saturday night in Indy. Knicks kind of fell apart in the second half. Got a little frustrated. Jalen Brunson delivering a headbutt. It did not end well, but it was a great season. Let's not lose sight of the fact that the Knicks had their best season this century. And of course there's hand wringing from Knicks fans. What do we do? Do we fire thibodeau do we trade Karl Anthony Towns? Hey, J. Mac, I got an idea. We could move off McHale bridges and get two role players. What do you think? What are the moves? And you know, listen, guys, I am reactionary. Sometimes I try to be level headed. Saturday night when the game ended, I need to take a few deep breaths. And then Sunday I get my thoughts cleared. And you know, Colin likes to call himself America's honesty broker. Well, I'm here to tell you as the commander in truth, that the New York Knicks need to stand pat and not be reactionary, not overreact. Let's not pander to blow hard. New York radio hosts or back pages screaming about change. Sometimes the move is to do nothing. Obviously you could take around the edges. The Knicks bench, have a bunch of guys whose contracts are up and we can make some moves. I'll talk about them shortly. But overall, big picture, we don't need to make any big moves. And I will point to the Indiana Pacers. Okay. Last year, the Indiana Pacers went up against the Knicks. Beat them in seven, go to the conference finals and they get swept by Boston. Of course, Indiana in the Midwest, they're a little more chill. Hey, what moves can we make? The Pacers did nothing. Not one move among their top seven kept the head coach Carlisle. They're in the NBA Finals. Sometimes the move is to not make any big moves. So Jalen Brunson was asked after Game 6, hey, Thibodeau had a rough series. Is it time to move on? Here's Jalen Brunson talking about his head coach.
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Colin Cowherd
I feel like nobody takes more criticism than Tom and this team obviously has turned around during his tenure. Do you kind of feel that going forward he's the same guy to lift you guys the rest of the way and next level?
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Alex Curry
Is that a real question right now? You just asked me if I believe that. If he's the right guy. Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
Thanks, guys.
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Alex Curry
Come on. Brunson handled it well. You could say he handled that question better than he handled the Indiana pressure in the series. Brunson was, was good, obviously. I think he's leading the NBA in playoff scoring. He's had a great postseason. I, I do think we need a little less Brunson next year. Maybe lean on our bench more. I saw a stat that the Knicks starters this season average like 97 points per game, which was the highest in the NBA in like 48 years. News flash, Thibodeau, you got to make some more changes. And I've been yelling from the rooftops. Tibbs, you got to put up or shut up. He beat Boston, guys. They took down the defending champs. Like, let's not gloss over that fact. I know Tatum got hurt, but the Knicks were in control of that series anyway at that point. So I'm actually here as the commander in truth to tell you. Knicks, we're not going after Giannis. Knicks, we don't need Kevin Durant. I think the pieces are in place for the Knicks to get back to the conference finals and extend to the NBA Finals next year. Let me remind you, Giannis is going to be shipped from Milwaukee and there's a good chance he goes West. Although there is a team in the east we're going to talk about that's making a move on him currently. But, like the Cleveland Cavaliers, do they scare you? Do the Pacers really terrify you? They had a great series, but the Celtics, the best team in the east by far. They're going to be without Jason Tatum next year due to the Achilles. The east is wide open. And oh, by the way, Knicks fans, I know we're upset. Quick reminder, we were favored in the series against the Pacers. And oh, by the way, game one, if the Knicks don't blow a 14 point lead in the final three minutes, what, what happens in that series? Do things go in a different direction? Like, the Knicks are close, they're right there. And sometimes, New York fans, the best move is to do nothing. So Commander in truth says Knicks, Stan, Pat, No Giannis, no kd. We're good. All right, let's move to the NFL. And a much dicier topic that is not very rosy, and that's the Cleveland Browns. And I'm sure there's a segment of the NFL population already sick of the Shador Sanders talk. I know for a fact Kevin Stefanski is, because he's going to be facing questions about it all week at OTAs. Folks, Deion Sanders is an unbelievable football talent. And he looks like he's a pretty damn good head coach, too. As a kid growing up, I remember Deion Sanders. He was unbelievable, okay? With the Falcons, with the Niners, like, just a great career. The one thing I liked, which is not serving him well now, is that he loved to run his mouth. I love trash talking. Yes. I play in men's basketball leagues. Sometimes I run my mouth too much. I, I, I've dialed it back in my advanced age. Dion, you need to do the same. My guy. So Deion Sanders was on a podcast this week, the say what Needs to Be Said podcast. Meanwhile, we haven't heard from Dion about his son, about the Browns since the draft. Take a deep breath, folks, because Dion's talking again. Here's what he had to say. When you sit up there and say something like, he went in a meeting unprepared. Like, dude, Shador Sanders, who's had six different coordinators, stop lying. Like, you gotta understand, my kids are built for everything. They want to create these narratives and create these stories and then attach them to a kid that ain't never done nothing wrong. You gonna tell me he had on headphones? Shadors, Anybody know my son? Understand? He's a professional. Like, he's gonna go into a meeting with headphones on, like, yo, come on. It did hurt. Not good. Not good at all. This, my friends, is why Shador Sanders fell in the draft. I thought it was probably 50% Dion. 50% Shador. I'm now thinking NFL teams front offices were just like, no, thank you on Shador Sanders precisely because of this. Folks, it's the beginning of June, and Deon is already complaining about his son and what went down at the draft. And you know, there are teams that passed on Dion this morning. That's why we didn't want him. Joe Shane and Brian Dabel. Look at their owner. I told you, we don't need this crap. And again, I'm not going to challenge what Deion said. It doesn't really matter. Did he wear headphones to a meeting with a team? I don't know. That seems like something weird to make up for a team. But Deion's pushback is. Oh, would he wear headphones to a meeting? Well, he either did or didn't. And oh, by the way, this whole. He had six offensive coordinators. That's not denying what went down at the meeting. Him being unprepared. And again, Shador has an uphill climb in Cleveland, and I think a lot of it has to do with exactly what Dion's saying on this podcast. So Kevin Stefanski is going to show up at OTAs this week, and he's not going to get asked about, hey, how's Myles Garrett looking? And the defense? What's up with Nick Chubb? Have you made a decision? How about the wide receiver room? You know, a lot of change there. Eddie, quarterback update. It's not going to be any of that. It's going to be. So Deion Sanders said this, and now you're getting questions about your fourth string quarterback in June. And, folks, it ain't going to end here. This is going to continue anytime. Deion steps in front of a microphone. Nobody cares about the Colorado Buffaloes right now. Travis Hunter's in the NFL. Shador's gone. You know what they're going to ask Deion. Hey, you know, Kenny Pickett threw three picks at a preseason game. Dion, your thoughts? And Deon, who has a history of talking, that's. I mean, that's what made him famous. That's why it's primetime. You think he's gonna be able to stand down and pull back? Folks, it's sort of an analogy this morning, and I'm like, wait a sec. So Arch Manning at Texas was beat out in back to back years by Quinn Ewers. And you could argue, hey, he was a young guy. Okay, fine. But, you know, in Texas fans, there were a lot of them ready for Arch Manning and Arch Manning's parents, and Peyton and Eli. All the Mannings, they've done a ton of interviews. They're on red carpets all the time. They could have easily said he should have been the guy over Quinn. Well, you know, Quinn, you were struggling against Georgia. Why. Why didn't Arch get the start easily? Anybody in the Manning clan could have popped up and said something. Nothing. They stayed out of it. They powered down and they let their kid figure it out. Hey, Dion, Shador is now 23 years old. I'm not telling a grown man what to do, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, Dion, if you. Next time you were asked about it, hey, man, I wish my son the best. I will be rooting for him hard. I'm a Cleveland Browns fan. Go Browns. On to the next question. Just stop. All you're doing is hurting Chador. And oh, by the way, do you remember Shador Sanders talked about this exact thing recently. Here's a video 99 of hatred is, you know, towards Pops. And then I'm just, you know, I'm just his son. So it really just come from.
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Colin Cowherd
From that.
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Alex Curry
And I told him that too.
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Colin Cowherd
Just the older generation that do it.
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Alex Curry
To me rather than the young, the younger people. Because when I come in person, I don't. There's no negativity. I see. But it's all over online. You know, I got two kids and we're trying this new thing. This, this woman, Mel Robbins, is pretty smart lady with some really good insights. And her phrase is let them with your kids. Just let them. They're gonna have to figure it out on their own, and it's very difficult. You know, I got two 12 and a 14 year old, and I'm trying to get him to bed. Like, hey, we gotta set up good habits and get to bed early and wake up and do this. And my wife's like, hey, let them. They're going to have to figure it out on their own. Hey, stay it up till 10:30. Not a great idea when you got, you know, a bunch of tests the next day and a lot of homework. And I shouldn't be on my iPad. I should be doing this. And you got to let them. I think Deion Sanders needs to just stand down and let Shador figure it out. It's going to be difficult, but he's 23. He's out of the house. I know this is the first time in forever that you haven't coached him, right? I, I think believe it's. He's been coaching him since, like, youth leagues and high school. He was a coordinator. Deion, you got to stand back. I mean, this is a prime example of why prime is a problem. I'm wishing him luck. And you know who I'm also wishing luck to is Kevin Stefanski, who has a mighty big hill to climb this week. All right, coming up next year on the Herd, a former NBA star, he did play for my Knicks. Is he taking a shot at Cooper Flack? I couldn't tell based on the quote whether or not he's taking a shot. I think it's a bit out of bounds, but we'll talk about that next year on the Herd.
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Jason McIntyre
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- [19:01]
Alex Curry
Gambling problem.
- [19:02]
Jason McIntyre
Call 1-800-GAMBLER in New York, call 877-8-HOPENY.
- [19:06]
Alex Curry
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Alex Curry
Obviously SGA and the Thunder going to the finals against Halliburton and the Pacers. And we saw that over the weekend. LeBron did a podcast with Luca Doncic along with Steve Nash and they were talking about Luca's style and I said, why don't we do a list the top five players in the NBA without a ring. And here's what LeBron and Luka talked about that got me to that point. Here we go. Obviously we've seen throughout his career like there's plays and passes that certain guys that in the league history have ever.
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Jason McIntyre
Been able to make.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, it's always his pace.
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Jason McIntyre
It's always been his pace.
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Colin Cowherd
And he's never ever been on the.
- [21:17]
Alex Curry
Floor where he's allowed someone to dictate where they're going to put him on the floor. It's always been the opposite, you know, and for us when we all working off of that, we just got to stay ready. You know what this is leading up to, right people? I'm a Luca guy and this is not just Johnny Come lately. This is not since he got to the Lakers. But I'm a huge Luca fan so I thought I'd rank going from five to one the five best players, players in the NBA without a ring. Now this caused some drama in the morning meeting and I out of the corner of my eye I can see Rick Bucher just like, oh my gosh. So let's start with number five, fifth best player right now in the NBA without a ring. And that's got to be my guy. Jalen Brunson, he is a phenomenal talent. He has emerged as one of the best point guards in the league. He's a, you know, sub six three point guard which some people think you can't win with. And Brunson, all he does is deliver buck now, why they didn't get by the Pacers? I don't think it's fully on Brunson. Obviously his defense was not up to snuff. But the fifth spot came down to me for Brunson or Halliburton. And I'm sorry, I think Brunson's slightly better than Halliburton. So I go Brunson at number five. The fourth best player in the NBA without a ring. Here we go. A little bit of a curveball. Jimmy Butler. Now, somebody tried to tell me in the morning meeting. Oh, my God. J. Mac. Joel Embiid. It's so much better than Jimmy Butler. And I almost like vomited in my mouth. Come on, guys. Jimmy Butler as an alpha led the Miami Heat to the championship twice. Okay, that's a superstar. Now. I know he's getting up there in age and he's not what he was three years ago, but he is still a phenomenal talent. I love the Jimmy Butler story. Back to my radio days. Like Jimmy Butler coming out of like living on. He was couch surfing. Okay. Had to like fax in his resume to get into college at Marquette. Like this guy was in a rough spot and he has just become a star in the NBA. I love everything about Jimmy Butler. I don't know if he'll get a title, but I have his fourth best player in the league without a ring.
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Jason McIntyre
Number three.
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Alex Curry
Let's go to the mvp, Shai Gilgeous Alexander. I have a feeling Rick's going to have him at once. I think SGA is a really good player. Obviously. Great season. He's on a really good, good team. SGA does everything well. I'm not going to say he's a jack of all trades, master of none, because he's the master of the mid range right now. He just gets buckets at the mid range. Probably going to get his title this year, right? Favorite, fifth biggest favorite in like the last 50 years or whatever. SGA, third best player in the league without a ring. Number two, Anthony Edwards. Yes, I believe Anthony Edwards is better than Shay Gilgeous Alexander. Sorry. He's younger, he's got a better offensive bag. He's led the league in threes this season. He just doesn't have as good of a team as okc. I think Anthony Edwards is phenomenal. All this future faith of the league stuff, it's legit, guys. He's that good. Now, is he a little goofy off the court and sometimes not locked in? And he loves a good IG baddy who doesn't but once Anthony Edwards grows up just a little bit. Alex, stop laughing. Once he grows up just a little bit, Anthony Edwards is going to be the top player in the NBA. Now for the number one player in the NBA without a ring, it's got to be Luca. Who's better than Luca? I have him right there in the Jokic Giannis class. And my thing that I come back to all the time, Luca makes everyone around him better. He did it in Dallas. They got to the finals last year because he made everyone around him better. That Dallas team, it's not a great team. Look at them this year. What would they do this year? Now I know Kyrie got hurt, but they had AD and largely the same guys that Luka had that he put on his back and got to the finals. For me, Luka Doncic, the best player in the NBA without a ring. And without further ado, let's welcome in Rick Bucher, Fox Sports NBA analyst. Now I have great vision and I could see Rick pacing, turning around, throwing his hands in the air. Oh my gosh, J. Mack, you're crazy.
- [25:19]
Colin Cowherd
So much work.
- [25:20]
Alex Curry
I've been.
- [25:20]
Colin Cowherd
So much work, so little time.
- [25:22]
Alex Curry
We made eye contact a couple times rattling on oh, five best players.
- [25:27]
Colin Cowherd
I had chills over there in the NBA ring.
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Alex Curry
Now Rick, you're doing your list as well, right?
- [25:34]
Colin Cowherd
Yes, and don't pretend like you didn't see my list.
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Alex Curry
I haven't seen it. They did tell me and he, he could be telling the truth. It's the same.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm start sending out a fugazi list to the producer early so you don't different try to crib it.
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Alex Curry
I'll guess your guy number one is sga, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. And by and and how do you possibly put Anthony Edwards ahead of Shea Gilgis Alexander after what we just witnessed? How is that possible?
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Alex Curry
Well, it's not like they were playing one on one, Rick.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean they were both the leaders of their respective teams and one guy got gentlemanly swept.
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Alex Curry
It was essentially the reigning MVP against Anthony Edwards. They said Julius Reynolds take all.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, because you know what, because he has no mid range game. If you put Shay Gilgis Alexander there, the defense isn't able to do the same thing. So he can operate in more places.
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Alex Curry
If you want to go head to head. Yes. Mid range to sga, three point shooting to Anthony Edwards driving to the rim. Anthony Edwards dunk on anybody and defense, I would go ant over sga.
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Colin Cowherd
Then why didn't he in that?
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Alex Curry
Well, because there's five guys in the lane Including Chuck.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so if you don't have the mid range, then you don't get the dunk as often and he has to finish at the rim. Look, sga, as far as an offensive bag, it's not as dynamic as ants, but it is more complete without question. I can say SGA is a three level scorer. Ant falling in love with the three has changed that dramatically. Half of his shots this year were from three, and yet he shot the same number as he did the previous season. Where did those shots come from? His mid range. He abandoned it and that cost him in the playoffs.
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Alex Curry
I blame analytics. Don't blame Anthony Edwards. So where do you have Luke on the list?
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Colin Cowherd
Luke? I believe I had second. He's up there. But. But you're mixing the bag because I also had, I had Ant fifth and I had Jimmy Butler ahead of him. Now if we're just talking about pure talent, I don't know that we can go there. But I'm looking at a Jimmy Butler, to your point, who led teams to the finals twice. Like, there's this, this combination of guys who are just purely talented, who don't have a ring, and guys who have demonstrated that they, that they're next in line or they deserve a ring because they've come so close and maybe they just didn't have the requisite team around them. But I'm not going to say that about Ant. I don't, I don't bel. This is my great issue is that when a player like Ant doesn't get to the finals or doesn't win a ring, we immediately go, oh, well, he doesn't have enough help. We need to get more pieces around him. It's Julius Randle's fault. It's Chris Finch's fault. It's Mike Conley's fault. I'm like, no, if you're that kind of player and I'm looking at the holes in Anthony Edwards game, first and foremost I want him to fill those holes and then I'll figure out the pieces that I need around him. Because this Minnesota Timberwolves team was more talented than a team that, that got gentlemanly sweat.
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Alex Curry
That's fair. I would push back and say ant's 23 and I think SGA is 20.
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Colin Cowherd
We keep saying that.
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Alex Curry
So three years ago, SGA was in the play in. And meanwhile, Ant is taking his team to the conference finals. Two years in a row.
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Colin Cowherd
His team has gone. His team has gone to the final, to the conference finals. Two years in a row. He would admit that Julius, I Could make a case that Julius Randle had more to do with them getting there this year than. Than ant did.
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Alex Curry
Well, Julius did was unbelievably good until he wasn't.
- [28:57]
Colin Cowherd
Yes, understood.
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Alex Curry
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Here's the other part is I keep first last year it was he's 22. Now it's he's 23. And when asked like, did this, did this hurt? Did you struggle? No, I don't struggle. I'm good. I'm going to work hard this summer, but I'm good. Like you like that.
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Alex Curry
I did not love that.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, so of the me. Me either because you the clock is ticking like and if you look at guy like Tracy McGrady, Penny Hardway, there's any number of guys that were great early on. Penny Hardway went to the finals his second year. He was all NBA first team two years in a row. Tracy McGrady, same thing was like third or fourth year was, was, was all NBA and getting some, some MVP accolades before. Take that back. That was with Penny, with Shaq leaving Orlando. But those guys, like when we looked at them early in their first three, four years, we're like, oh, these guys are playing for championships. These guys are going to be all time greats. And they hit their zenith in those first four or five years. That's more the rule than the exception. In terms of guys winning a ring. Like, I think it's a foregone conclusion in a lot of people's minds that ant, including ants, that ant is going to win MVP at some point. And he's going to win a ring at some point, probably. Right. The Minnesota Timberwolves had the most expensive roster in the league this year. Right. And if we look at some of the guards and some of the players early on that won, it's because they had guys on their team that were really good who were underpaid. Like the Minnesota Timberwolves are not there.
- [30:47]
Alex Curry
Yeah.
- [30:48]
Colin Cowherd
Right. So is it going to happen in the next year or two?
- [30:51]
Jason McIntyre
No.
- [30:52]
Colin Cowherd
Well, then now we're getting to 27, 28 and having to remake the Timberwolves around him. I'm just, I think there's this foregone conclusion about ant that I wouldn't necessarily buy into.
- [31:02]
Alex Curry
As I hear you explain that. I was just thinking to the guy, LeBron James in what year three or something with Cleveland, goes to the Finals, can't get back there, says, guys, I'm out. Kevin Durant and okc. Yeah, they get to the Finals, young.
- [31:15]
Colin Cowherd
Guys had to go someplace else.
- [31:16]
Jason McIntyre
Right.
- [31:16]
Alex Curry
So is Minnesota going to do it. Anthony Edwards going to do it in Minnesota? Yeah. Probably not.
- [31:21]
Colin Cowherd
And here's the flip side of that. When you look at the guys that are there right now, SGA and Tyrese Halliburton, what do they have in common?
- [31:29]
Alex Curry
This isn't their first team.
- [31:30]
Colin Cowherd
This isn't their first team. And there were doubts about both of them at various points. Like, how good can they be? Can they be the leader of a championship team? We haven't had anybody express that doubt about Ant Edwards. And I believe that you're taking away the motivation of a player, the urgency of a player to say, you know what? I want to prove you wrong. Nobody's saying Ant has to prove them wrong. Everybody's still giving him flowers in spite of the fact that if you look at the last two Western Conference finals. Yes. Did they get there? Sure. But he was outplayed by another star, Luka Doncic last year and SGA this year. And yet there still seems to be no urgency or a feeling like, hey, Ant, you need to pick it up if you're going to get there.
- [32:21]
Alex Curry
I don't know what more he could do, but anyways, let's move on to the Knicks. I just. The post mortem we had. Frank, guys, so long. I'm pledging. Hey, let's take a deep breath. Last year the Pacers were swept by the Celtics conference finals. They make zero changes to their top eight and they're in the NBA finals. I know. I've been like, hey, maybe we dumped Thibodeau. I know. There's this Giannis Chase. I'm actually preaching some patience, Rick. And I think the Knicks can run it back. Are you okay? I know. Irrational New Yorker over here.
- [32:57]
Colin Cowherd
No, you are. You are being incredibly rational. I've never, I've never heard, wow, J. Mac be this rational.
- [33:07]
Alex Curry
Okay.
- [33:08]
Colin Cowherd
You're usually. We gotta move like always, right.
- [33:13]
Alex Curry
And they'll blow it up. Get rid of them.
- [33:15]
Colin Cowherd
They suck.
- [33:15]
Alex Curry
I had a boozy weekend, played some basketball, you know, like you get your mind clear. And I came in this morning, I said, guys, we're going to stay on Pat.
- [33:23]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [33:24]
Alex Curry
And I think they can get to the NBA finals. They weren't far off this year.
- [33:27]
Colin Cowherd
No, they weren't. The issue is like, ideally if you're going to play for a championship, they need a true two way big like right now they have like Mitchell Robinson's on the floor. Defensively, they're a different team. But now they're a different team offensively as well. Offensively. Kat gave you a lot let's not, let's not undersell what he did for the better part of the playoffs. But if you're going to be built around a point guard, and I'd look at the 2004 Detroit Pistons winning a championship and the 2022 Golden State warriors, you have to have like the perfect pieces and a lot of talent around that guard. If you look at the numbers alone, what Jalen Brunson did this year in the regular season and in the playoffs mirrors what Steph Curry did in 2022, both regular season and playoffs. But what Steph had was he had Andrew Wiggins playing almost. Yeah, almost better than Draymond Green as a defensive player and a true. Was a two way impact player. You had Draymond Green still playing well. You had Klay Thompson have his moments. You had Jordan Poole like, you had all the pieces that allowed to, that covered the blemishes of Steph and allowed him to maximize what he is. That's what the Knicks need. And I don't know that they have it right now, but to your point, like, unless there was a clear cut, I can get this thing that makes a difference. I'm standing pat.
- [35:06]
Alex Curry
Let's be real. Can they get Giannis? I, I don't see. It just doesn't seem feasible given the pick. They don't have that many picks.
- [35:12]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I've been, I've been asking about that because I mean, the, the teams. There's Houston.
- [35:18]
Alex Curry
Yeah.
- [35:20]
Colin Cowherd
There's Brooklyn.
- [35:21]
Alex Curry
Brooklyn could give up a lot, but he's not going there.
- [35:23]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Toronto's going to make a run at him, but I, I don't, I don't know that that's going to happen. But those two teams in particular have the assets that Milwaukee would want.
- [35:33]
Alex Curry
Have assets.
- [35:34]
Colin Cowherd
The Spurs. I would add the spurs in the equation too.
- [35:36]
Alex Curry
Those three teams, it's tough. Okay, so let's downshift to Kevin durant.
- [35:40]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [35:40]
Alex Curry
Turn 37 in September. Rick. Yeah, I'm a huge KD fan, but is he that much of an upgrade for, for Kat? And doesn't he shrink your window from like maybe the next three years to like, you better win this year because KD's hurt all the time.
- [35:53]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I'd say he's an upgrade. I mean, the tricky part is are you just getting him as a one year rental or is he going to sign an extension? Do you want to sign him to extension? What does that extension look like? There's a lot of tricky parts to that. To your point, because of KD's age and where he is. The one year deal for a team that's looking for cap space that may be stuck. I mean, that's where Minnesota's kind of attractive. But the problem is that you'd have to give up multiple pieces. It's not Julius Randolph for Kevin Durant, Julius Randall and Jade McDaniels or Julius Randall and Rob Dillingham and Mike Conley when. So that's where it becomes difficult. It's, it's. I had somebody this morning suggest Atlanta as a place for KT just because they have the assets. And I was. And my first reaction was, oh, KT's got to finish his career in Atlanta.
- [36:53]
Alex Curry
That's like Patrick Ewing wearing a Sonic jersey or. Yeah, it's Elijah 1 for the Raptors or something silly. You don't want to see that.
- [37:00]
Colin Cowherd
Not very attractive.
- [37:01]
Alex Curry
But no, KD is going to be difficult. All right, let. Let's go to the. Actually Easter conference finals voting. Did you have an issue with the Seakum 5, Halliburton 4. And I will just preface this. The media votes on this stuff.
- [37:12]
Colin Cowherd
Yes.
- [37:13]
Alex Curry
Right.
- [37:13]
Colin Cowherd
Yes.
- [37:13]
Alex Curry
We know the media. They do some dumb things, obviously, all NBA voting. But anyways, did you have a major issue with it?
- [37:21]
Colin Cowherd
I really don't. First of all, it was five, four.
- [37:23]
Alex Curry
Yeah.
- [37:24]
Colin Cowherd
So it's like there's like one swing vote. Right. And I can make a case for either guy.
- [37:29]
Alex Curry
Yeah.
- [37:29]
Colin Cowherd
Pascal Siakam, if you look at the. If you take in to account the defensive end of the floor, I mean, the Knicks were hunting Tyrese Halliburton at times. Pascal Siakam winning his battle, being the best big on the floor was the difference maker. And then when you look in terms of. Of key baskets, he didn't have. He didn't have the highlight moments that Halliburton had. But the way I described it was Pascal Siakam was the engine and Tyrese Halliburton was the driver. Like, he got everybody involved. You know, he obviously assists were through the roof, but Pascal Siakam was getting to the free throw line. He was getting the Knicks in foul trouble. And you know, in those situations where they absolutely needed a bucket, they could hand him the ball and he would go get it.
- [38:19]
Alex Curry
It's weird. It felt like Jalen Brown over Jason Tatum last year.
- [38:23]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Not, not. Not unlike that. I was also thinking like the kind of the Iguodala Steph Curry.
- [38:28]
Alex Curry
Oh, Finals mvp.
- [38:30]
Colin Cowherd
Finals MVP.
- [38:31]
Alex Curry
Setup annoyed me. I was like such a Curry defender. I would go online and battle these.
- [38:35]
Colin Cowherd
Morons like, you Said the media doesn't always get it right, but I don't think that they got it perversely wrong.
- [38:42]
Alex Curry
This was that egregious. Now, let me ask you about the Finals. I've been workshopping this take. I was going to save it for midweek when things are slow. I don't know, Rick. This whole Finals battle, right, It's. It's a good matchup of teams. NBA diehards will love it. Casuals probably will not. I'm of the belief that Indiana is going to give them a much closer series than the experts think. Everybody's saying, oh, this is OKC is just a juggernaut. Indy. Everything that OKC does really well.
- [39:12]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [39:12]
Alex Curry
So does Indiana. They've got the bench, they play with pace and tempo. Halliburton led the league in assist turnover ratio. I mean, at one point in the Knicks series, he had like four turnovers in five games.
- [39:23]
Colin Cowherd
Like, it's one way to. That's one way to look at it. A lot of people are looking at all the things that Indiana does, OKC does, and they just do it better. Right. Except for one thing. And I'd say there's two factors where I'm with you. I'm not going to say it's going to be a great series. I think that the Pacers have a chance to make it an interesting series in terms of pushing it to six, maybe even seven.
- [39:49]
Alex Curry
NBA would love that.
- [39:50]
Colin Cowherd
I don't see them winning it, but I see them making it a contest. And for two reasons. Number one, they have shot the ball from three point range lights out, and they've done it collectively. Like, I think last I checked, they were shooting like 40% in the playoffs as a team.
- [40:08]
Alex Curry
That's insane.
- [40:09]
Colin Cowherd
That is. And that's. That's much, much better than OKC does. And as we know, the three point shot can have a huge influence on flipping. That's the Cavs flipping the odds. Exactly. The other part is Rick Carlisle and Pascal Siakam. I have two guys who know what it takes to win a championship, who have been to the finals. And I look at the. I look at the Thunder and you have Alex Caruso, I believe, who won in the bubble. Am I right on that?
- [40:41]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [40:42]
Colin Cowherd
And other than that, brand new Rick Carlisle's been to the final six times. He took a Dallas Mavericks team that was probably as underrated and looked past in the Finals versus the Miami Heat as this Pacers team is against the Oklahoma City Thunder. So I believe that the Carlisle is going to have a Few things up his sleeve.
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Alex Curry
I love that.
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Jason McIntyre
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Alex Curry
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Alex Curry
And by the way, Nemhard.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [45:46]
Alex Curry
You see he's making $2 million this year.
- [45:48]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [45:49]
Alex Curry
Starting point guard. Who. Who's good? I still remember this. Nobody will remember this, but his final college Game. Yeah, I think it was with Chet. He shot like 2 of 11. He was a train wreck. And they lost his big favorites. And I'm like, this guy's not a pro. He was terrible against Arkansas. Nemart has been phenomenal. He is a good basketball player. And at $2 million in the finals, that's how you're.
- [46:10]
Colin Cowherd
That's how you're here, and that's how you get to finals. To, you know, going back to the whole Minnesota point is that you have, you know, when the warriors were making their runs, they were paying Steph $11 million.
- [46:20]
Alex Curry
Yeah. Yeah.
- [46:20]
Colin Cowherd
He signed the four year, $44 million deal you need, especially in today's NBA, you need a couple of guys who haven't been paid yet. Jordan Poole and Andrew Wiggins in 2022, like guys that are playing for the bag and, and the Minnesota Timberwolves don't have that.
- [46:40]
Alex Curry
So let me just did the whole small market, super team stuff. The super team era is over, sadly. But I need to remind people, Rick, like LeBron, the LeBron we know now, before he got to the Heat and started that he was like second banana to Kobe and Shaq and the Celtics. He wasn't the polarized, oh, my gosh, I can't stand LeBron. He wasn't that until he went to the Heat.
- [47:03]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [47:03]
Alex Curry
And so I just wonder, some of these young stars, they're not polarizing. And if you don't have that love or hate, it's just like, oh, we've got the Pacers and Thunder in the Finals.
- [47:14]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [47:14]
Alex Curry
And, and, and I know the NBA doesn't want that because the owners want everybody to have a chance. Right. But I feel like if you don't have that, it's not going to be great for the league. I don't know. That's kind of like a. Yeah. A big picture thing. I don't know how you solve that, but there isn't really anybody at the NBA right now that you feel strongly about one way or the other.
- [47:32]
Colin Cowherd
Right. No. It has to happen organically. And to your point, I don't know who that is that's out there right now that we feel that way.
- [47:40]
Alex Curry
Well, Giannis could be the, the linchpin. People are not going to like it if he goes to a good team. Like, KD went to the warriors, instantly, everybody hated him. But Rick, you had to watch.
- [47:50]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [47:50]
Alex Curry
Or you were rearranging your. Your anniversary dinners around Kevin Durant versus LeBron, you know, that kind of stuff.
- [47:56]
Colin Cowherd
Sure. And if KD goes to a Contender that would stir the pot. The league is set. Yes. Look, the, the league is taking a very different approach to the way it traditionally approached things is, which is it's taking a global view. And I think in part it's playing to the fact that its best players are international players and that the domestic market is, is basically saturated. Like how much more are you going to get out of, out of the domestic market? But they look globally and they're thinking, okay, we have international stars. It's why they're talking about starting in a European division as much as getting expansion teams in Las Vegas and Seattle. You hear as much about a European division as you hear about those. In fact, those moves which I still think are going to happen are sort of have been forgotten. So I believe that they're looking at, you know what, we want to attract an audience that's going to buy jerseys and is going to stream games and is going to, you know, be fans. And we don't need like, we don't have to cut through the mainstream. Have, have stars that are going to cut through the mainstream in, in the US because you know, the, the people in Serbia are going to go crazy for the Denver Nuggets. Right. And maybe you capture a bigger part of the Canadian market with Shay Gilgis Alexander. I think that they're looking at globally. We have attractions that other leagues don't and that's our sweet.
- [49:27]
Alex Curry
So we'll wrap up with this Cooper flag. Carmelo Anthony had some quotes and it's interesting you just mentioned domestic, international.
- [49:34]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [49:36]
Alex Curry
And I don't want to say Carmelo was bashing him, but he was basically saying like he's not great at anything. He's a good player, does everything well. Yeah, there's a world. Jeff Teague last week was like SGA saved the NBA with the mid range. I was like, I honestly think Cooper flag domestically. I know people aren't going to want to hear this. He can be a savior of sorts. And I'm sorry to bring up race, but he's a white guy who can maybe dominate in a league where there hasn't been a dominant white guy in a long time.
- [50:03]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. You know, it's funny, I look at like a Chet Holm and a Cooper flag and I, and I and it's then they sort of shift my view of where we are as far as our American born players and our ability to compete internationally. Like I think if Anthony Edwards continues to evolve and you have a Cooper Flag and you have a Chet Holmgren, we have a chance to still be all right. France isn't going to take over. It's not over just quite yet. But, you know, I hear Carmelo, because I think one of the dangers is when we have somebody who's. Who's taken number one, we immediately expect them to be a superstar.
- [50:37]
Alex Curry
Yes.
- [50:38]
Colin Cowherd
And I don't know. I think Cooper Flag could be a really good player for a really long. Good, good, really long time, but I don't know that he's necessarily.
- [50:49]
Alex Curry
Okay, well, wait to find superstar. Was LeBron a superstar right out of the gate averaging like 23 as a rookie?
- [50:56]
Colin Cowherd
He had. He had the earmark.
- [50:58]
Alex Curry
Okay, what about Zion? First year, I know he's heard and blah, blah, blah, but.
- [51:01]
Colin Cowherd
No, Zion's a classic example of somebody that we anointed way too early and making the Anthony Edwards comparison. Like, Zion was supposed to be the next whatever, like, from the gate. And. And even. Even LeBron, like, until he lost and everybody started to say, well, maybe he's not a champion.
- [51:26]
Alex Curry
Was that the Dallas series that forced him to.
- [51:28]
Colin Cowherd
No, no, no. That forced him to go to Miami.
- [51:31]
Alex Curry
Oh, oh, In Cleveland.
- [51:32]
Colin Cowherd
To get out of Cleveland.
- [51:33]
Jason McIntyre
Right.
- [51:33]
Alex Curry
Super team, Celtics.
- [51:34]
Colin Cowherd
Right, Right. Like, he finally had to, hey, you got to put up or shut up. Like, we kept making excuses for Zion. Oh, he's hurt. If he could just stay healthy. Whatever, I'm done. Yeah.
- [51:46]
Alex Curry
By the way, is he moving this summer? Is he going anywhere? I don't know what the market is for Zion.
- [51:51]
Colin Cowherd
I don't. I don't know that he's going anywhere, but he's got bigger issues.
- [51:56]
Alex Curry
Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, he does. All right. Final one. We haven't mentioned John Morant in a couple years.
- [52:01]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, a couple years.
- [52:04]
Alex Curry
That something's going on in Memphis. I keep hearing this Jaren Jackson stuff. And then there's, hey, maybe we just move on from jaw, start over, reboot. Any thoughts on John? Because he, for, like, seven minutes, was going to be the future of the NBA.
- [52:16]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Well, I don't think he gets back there now. I think there's just. There's too much water under the bridge. I. I. Could he be moved, man, that's. It's as difficult as Minnesota moving in Anthony Edwards. You don't get stars like that in markets like that unless you draft.
- [52:36]
Alex Curry
I mean, I just think of Luka got moved and nobody thought that was coming. Yeah.
- [52:39]
Colin Cowherd
That's the exception rather than the rule.
- [52:41]
Alex Curry
Yeah. All right. Rick Bucher. I mean, look at that. It's like 20 great minutes with a guy who we actually There was a.
- [52:47]
Colin Cowherd
Couple things we had some patico on and you, you were like. You were rational and sober at one point. This was a good session.
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Alex Curry
I have to be sober.
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Colin Cowherd
It was J. Mac. This was. This was. I enjoyed this. Thank you so much. I may even come back.
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