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Jason McIntyre
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Buzz Knight
Hi, I'm Buzz Knight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast, and join me for an upcoming episode with Seth MacFarlane, the creator of Family Guy, talking about his new Frank Sinatra music project.
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Seth MacFarlane
Anyone who loves music would salivate over something like this. The biggest question for us was, what's in these boxes? Really, the most thrilling part was hiring an orchestra and just playing what was in these boxes.
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Buzz Knight
Listen to Taking a walk on the iHeartRadio app, Apple PODC, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Katie Couric
Hey everyone, it's me, Katie Couric. Did you know that I recently joined Substack? Very exciting. It's where I'll be sharing my unfiltered conversations with the people everyone's talking about. I'll also tell you what I'm reading, what I'm watching, what's making me crazy, and what's giving me hope. If you like deep dives, hot takes, and real talk, you're in the right place. Search Katie Couric on Substack and hit subscribe. I'll be there, reporting live, most likely in my pajamas. See you there.
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Jake Hofer
I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?
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Jason McIntyre
Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.
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Jake Hofer
Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dan, he's Ty.
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Jason McIntyre
Hello.
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Jake Hofer
And we're the solid verbal College Football Podcast.
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Jason McIntyre
Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan.
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Jake Hofer
Join us all season long as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport.
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Jason McIntyre
Listen to the solid verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jake Hofer
We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it.
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Jason McIntyre
Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to the Herd podcast. Good morning, Los Angeles. It's me, Jason McIntyre here on the herd. Happy afternoon to the east coast, folks. It's Friday. It is a beautiful day, a culmination to a spectacular week. Listen, Rachel Nichols and I have had a banger of a week hosting this show. I mean, listen, we had the Taylor Swift no days off, Travis Kelsey engagement.
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Rachel Nichols
No days off news every day.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm looking at my notes here. I angered the Chicago Bears fan base with this Caleb Williams stuff. I'm just hoping, Rachel, we can close with some good news on a Friday.
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Rachel Nichols
And good news if you live in Green Bay.
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Jason McIntyre
We were gifted, basically. I mean, the gift that keeps on giving like this is amazing. Micah Parsons traded by the Cowboys. Would it happen like two hours after our show? Yeah. And I walked into the morning meeting and I said, are we gonna just do three hours on Michael Parsons? We could cowherd texted me. That should be the ent entire show. I was like, yes, sir. Got you. Yes, sir. Coward will be back next week, but let's start there. Let's start with the Green Bay packers basically putting on ski masks going into Dallas and stealing Micah Parsons from the Cowboys for peanuts. I cannot believe that this trade happened. I think, obviously Green Bay won the trade. There's many angles to break down here. I'm going to go with the packers angle first because I do think, and I haven't seen a lot of other takes on this, I think the packers are right there as one of the best teams, not only in the nfc, but in the league. This puts them in the serious super bowl consideration. I had them in my tier two for super bowl contenders earlier this week. They clearly vault to one. I mean, I don't think people realize just how good Micah Parsons is. Okay. This move going from Dallas to Green Bay, I believe is bigger than the Matt Stafford trade from a few years ago. When the Rams got Matt Stafford, everybody was excited. Obviously, it led to a Super Bowl. But Micah Parsons is in his prime. He's only played four seasons in the league. Matt Stafford was 33, a little older. You know, the Christian McCaffrey trade was big. Khalil Mack trade was big. This is seismic. I mean, folks, Micah Parsons, again, I know he takes a lot of heat for inside the locker room stuff. His podcast, we will address that because it bears some discussion. But let me just remind folks, Micah Parsons in year one was runner up defensive player of the year. Okay? He's been an All Pro three times in four years. He has 12 or more sacks in every season he's played so far to start his career. It's not Hyperbole to say Micah Parsons is already on track to be a first ballot hall of Famer after four seasons. He's in the discussion with the likes of Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White, Miles Garrett as one of the greatest pass rushers in NFL history. After four years now, we don't know what's going to happen, obviously, but Parsons is a terror coming off the edge. And if you're the Green Bay packers and you look at your defensive roster and you're like, oh, we got Gary, we got some good linebackers, we got a good team, which you didn't have with that blue chip superstar where you go in the divisional round of the playoffs and the opponent looks at how we going to. How are we going to block Michael Parsons? What are we going to have to adjust stuff? You have to scheme specifically for Parsons. Now, teams have done that in the playoffs with some success, but you look at Gary coming off the other edge and this Green Bay defense suddenly is a wrecking crew. And I would like to point out that their odds after the draft to win the Super bowl were plus 2200. Okay, that was after the draft and I'll tell you why the draft is important. This morning they went to + 1200. So right now, the packers are right there. Cream of the crop. They're in the Ravens, Bills, Chiefs, Niners, they're right there at the top. And the draft is important because I missed this and I was kicking myself this morning for missing this. I think everybody did. But at the draft, the Green Bay packers in the first round, we know what they don't do in the first round, right? They don't take wide receivers. Aaron Rodgers bemoaned that fact. He openly was like, we don't draft receivers in the first round. We need one. I need some help. Packers have a really good wide receiver room. It's deep, it's young, it's talented. They got a lot of guys and they drafted a wide receiver in the first round. I was like, oh, Matthew Gold. It's not like he's Jeremiah Smith or something. Golden, really nice player. He's like 511, a buck 90. I know he's a burner, but it was a mild surprise. They broke character at the draft getting Matthew golden. And I should have noticed at the time, but smart businesses sometimes adapt and change and say, we've done things one way, we're going to make an adjustment and we're going for golden. Now, their wide receiver room, I mean, it doesn't have that high end Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, but In terms of depth and talent, it's top four in the league. Golden is going to be that guy. Get him on your fantasy team. Now you add Micah Parsons, a massive trade. What did we hear from NFL pundits all week, guys? Packers, they're not going to get Micah Parsons. They don't do that. They don't make these huge, splashy trades. Haven't done that forever. Once again, the packers break character. Go out and get a superstar, a blue chip. How do we stop that guy coming off the edge? And I believe the Green Bay packers probably will be in the NFC championship game. I will. I'll say likely against the San Francisco 49ers. And then we get the Trent Williams matchup against Micah Parsons. And boy, Green Bay fans, you've got to be absolutely geeked. I got a buddy who is a Milwaukee brewers fan, and he's a Green Bay packers fan, and he's doing cartwheels. He's like, brewers baseball, packers football. It's a great day in Green Bay. And by the way, for those who are saying, well, packers overpaid, and we'll address it, Jordan loves contract. They got him early, guys. He is only the 13th biggest cap hit at quarterback in the league. You want to take a guess who's first this season? Dak Prescott, biggest cap hit in the league. And let's move to Dallas now and address that side of the trade. I want to start positive because might want to earmuff at Cowboys fans. This is gonna be a little negative. So there's this fun exercise that I've been told to do. You know, you turn 30 years old and you're supposed to look back at your younger self and like, write a little letter and say, man, don't you wish you knew this at 20? And then you do it, you know, at 30, you're like, oh, man, in my 20s. Relationship stuff. Maybe you're finding a potential mate, work, you're getting out of college, and some stuff you could learn, and you give it to your younger self. You hand it down to your kids, relatives. So when you do it at 40, it's mostly about, you know, having kids, buying a house, that next step of life. But when you read about this, the one thing that it keeps coming back to is you need to act with less emotion in relationships, in work. Just chill out, calm down. Now, if you couldn't tell, I tend to get emotional sometimes, specifically about sports. And I think Jerry Jones got really emotional here and made a horrific decision. Okay, if we're to believe Micah Parsons, who Told Jane Slater, by the way, she's going to be coming up as a guest here in about 30 minutes. He told Jane Slater that after news broke this week that there were trade talks for Micah Parsons. Micah and his agent, who. His agent's really good, went to the Cowboys with, quote, empathy, and they wanted to get a deal done. And allegedly, according to Micah Parsons, Jerry Jones got very emotional and told Micah and his agent, play on the fifth year or leave, folks, that is not how you run a football team. That is amateur hour. Amateurs act on emotion. Pros, they look at the numbers, and the numbers said, jerry, you bungled this badly. And for those out there who were screaming, j Mac, wait a minute. They didn't overpay, and they got an extra first round pick and they got Kenny Clark. Kenny Clark ain't very good, but that's. That's another story. Guys, the reason that this got this far was because Jerry didn't do this last year. If he had gone last year and said, you know what? We can't afford CD Lamb, Dak and Micah, you knew this last year, you could have made the deal last year and got more for Micah Parsons, why wait so long? I mean, at worst, if he had done this at the beginning of the off season, Jerry gets a bidding war started among several teams. Now, there's a report that the Raiders had called, but they were late to the game. Does Jerry, like, I understand he's a billionaire, and I understand he's had success, you know, 30 years ago with Jimmie Johnson winning a bunch of Super Bowls, but did Jerry just totally misplay his hand here? Well, yeah, clearly. He bungled this so badly, folks. Paying Dak and Lamb and knowing that you can't pay Micah like you should have done this last year. Now, Jerry Jones took in, went in front the media on Thursday after the trade. And, guys, he claims he's been thinking about this trade for a long time.
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Jerry Jones
We did think it was in the best interest of our organization. Not only the future, but right now, this season as well, we've gained a Pro bowl player in an area that we had big concern in our concerns in on the inside of our defense. The facts are specifically, we need to stop the run. And we haven't been able to stop the run at key times for several years.
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Jason McIntyre
Boy, if I was allowed to use expletives on the show, I would have come out of that quote and said, what the are you talking about? We need to stop the run. What kind of alternative universe is Jerry Jones living in, folks? Okay, fine. You knew you needed to stop the run at the draft. Let's take a look at the Cowboys draft, shall we? They got an offensive lineman, an edge rusher, a cornerback, a running back, a linebacker, an offensive lineman. Oh, there at pick 217. Mr. We've got to stop the run. You waited 217 picks to get a defensive tackle? What? Like, Jerry's saying stuff that doesn't even make sense. Guys, I got a buddy who's a Cowboys fan. His daughter plays on my daughter's volleyball team. You know, we. We've known each other. We coach soccer together. He texted me. I'm literally crying right now. After the trade, he was like, what are we doing? And you know, you. This isn't just Jerry screwing up the Micah deal and then trying to lie to everyone's face. Like, what do they call that? I think it's called gaslighting. Hey, we knew we needed to stop the run, so, you know, we added Kenny Clark. Like, bro, come on. Nobody's believing that. And, oh, by the way, Jerry has a recent track record of trades. Remember what they got Mingo, the wide receiver from the Carolina Panthers? Yeah, he's. He's on IR to start the season, and even when he returns, he's looking at being the projected fourth or fifth wide receiver on the roster. They give up a fourth round pick for Mingo, and do you remember Trey Lance? They thought. Jerry thought he had a great deal for Trey Lance. I mean, he gave up a fourth round pick for Trey Lance, not on the roster through a whopping. Oh, he played four games. Trey Lance played four games after Jerry Jones traded for him. I mean, does this guy even know what he's doing? One of the producers here as I'm walking up to the set goes, jay, I had a good line when you left the morning meeting. If Jerry Jones wore his shirt inside out to the facility today, would anybody in Dallas have the cojones to tell him, hey, billionaire owner, boss, your shirt's inside out because it feels like nobody is telling Jerry what he needs to hear. And the Cowboys right now are a disaster, by the way, their odds, because I know you guys love odds. To win the Super Bowl, 60 to 1, longest that they've been since 2014 before the season. That's according to ESPN. So the Cowboys are long shot. They're probably going to win five games. I know there's some people out there who are like, hey, we got four first round picks now, Jay, in the next two years. We'll address that later. Rachel and I have many layers to this story, so be patient. It's the super terrific, happy three hours of Micah Parsons and the Green Bay Packers. Rachel, I'm fired up. If you couldn't tell, I'm a little emotional.
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Rachel Nichols
This is, it's an incredible story and not the way we thought this was going to end even. I mean, we talked about this possibility of the packers trade all through yesterday's show.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Rachel Nichols
And every single person we had on, including Greg Jennings, was like, green Bay doesn't do business this way.
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Jason McIntyre
Unbelievable turn of events. Coming up next, Dallas. Forget about Micah for a moment. Earlier this year, you guys traded Luca. I mean, who's under fire more, Nico or Jerry? Like it's getting ugly in Dallas. That's next year on the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app.
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Steve Covino
Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis, and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio.
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Jason McIntyre
You can catch us weekdays from 5.
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Steve Covino
To 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartradio.
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Jason McIntyre
Applause.
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Steve Covino
Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?
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Jason McIntyre
We talk about everything.
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Steve Covino
Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture, stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive.
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Jason McIntyre
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Steve Covino
Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific.
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Jason McIntyre
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Steve Covino
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Jason McIntyre
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Buzz Knight
Hi, I'm Buzz Knight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast. And join me for an upcoming episode with Seth MacFarlane, the creator of Family Guy, talking about his new Frank Sinatra music project.
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Seth MacFarlane
Anyone who loves music would salivate over something like this. The biggest question for us was, what's in these boxes? There were a few unplayed gems that we had been alerted to by Charlie Pinion of Sinatra Enterprises. So we knew that certain songs like Shadow of youf Smile, which actually is not on this record, it'll be on the next one.
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Buzz Knight
Seth MacFarlane.
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Seth MacFarlane
Don Rickles went up to Frank Sinatra and he said, listen, I'm going to be having dinner with this lovely woman tonight. You know, would you come over and say hi? And just so you know, because I feel like if she sees that I know you, it's gonna make me look really cool and, you know, I might have a good night. During the middle of dinner, Frank walks over and says, don, hi, how are you? And Don goes, frank, please, I'm in the middle of dinner.
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Buzz Knight
Seth MacFarlane on the taking a Walk podcast. Listen to Takin a walk on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jason McIntyre
Who cares about truth when the lives more entertaining.
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Angela Rye
Hey everybody, I'm Angela Rye, co host of Native Lamp with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum. Through the le of politics and culture, we talk with you every week to make sense of this madness. I've been telling Angela I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves.
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Jason McIntyre
That's the truth. We're having the same debates that American.
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Steve Covino
Households are having all over the country.
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Angela Rye
Rest is certainly a form of self care, but if you are watching your full neighbors starve, not be able to pay bills, your rest is selfish. But the thing is, Angela, this is not the mess we created. So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know, you know what, y' all got it.
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Jason McIntyre
We're like family, but we disagree all the time. And we love when our listeners chime.
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Angela Rye
In what would happen if we built our own little wakandan communities in the rural South.
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Seth MacFarlane
Tiffany, do not run to no rural South.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't know what you're on.
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Angela Rye
What our audience is asking is. Okay, fine. You want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action.
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Steve Covino
Listen to Native Land Pod on the.
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Jason McIntyre
Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome home, y'. All.
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Jake Hofer
I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?
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Jason McIntyre
Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.
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Jake Hofer
Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Jason McIntyre
We will talk about that a lot in this show. Colt McCoy's dropping by next hour. Cardell Jones. I just got a text about a humongous bet made on the game in Vegas. We'll address all that, but I want to go back to a next layer to the Micah Parsons trade. And Rachel pointed this out in the meeting this morning. So it's been a rough eight, nine months for the city of Dallas. You guys remember in February, out of absolutely nowhere, Luka Doncic. I think it was a Saturday night.
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Rachel Nichols
Saturday night, 11 o' clock Pacific.
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Jason McIntyre
What time? What time?
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Rachel Nichols
Like 11pm Pacific.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it was. It was very late. Luka gets traded from the Mavericks to the Lakers. And it was like, oh, my gosh. The Internet, like, wobbled. Like an earthquake hit it. And everybody was shocked. Mavs fans were crestfallen. They had just gone to the finals. Everything's looking great. Luka, you know, was injured, but to trade him was like, what are we doing? And Nico Harrison was under major fire. They lost a ton of money because of, I think sponsors backed out. Season ticket holder. It was a mess. Now, they did get lucky with Cooper Flag in the draft, so that has eased some of it. But for that to go down in February and now in August, Michael Parsons, the most popular cowboy. I know Dak has been loved, but come on, guys. Michael Parsons is the heartbeat of that team. To trade him, you just have to wonder what the vibe is in Dallas. Here's an old photo. Michael Parsons and Luka swapping jerseys. By the way, Luka for. You guys don't know. He's huge. Michael Parsons is a monster. Luka towers over him. Okay. And I was thinking, like, growing up, my. My brother and I, we love, like, the Charlie Brown Christmas, Charlie Brown Thanksgiving and the Peanuts. The whole saga where Lucy would, like, tee up the football and Charlie Brown whiff. It feels like that has happened this year to Dallas. You lose Luca, you lose Micah. How does it. How on earth does Dallas trade two transcendent superstars? I mean, guys, the parallels here are staggering. Luca, given what he did in his first, like, five years in the league, is on track to be a top 10 player all time. I don't care what you think about Luca. He doesn't play defense, blah, blah, blah. His numbers over the first five years are historic. Micah Parsons, same damn thing. His numbers through four years are unbelievable. That's why I said, lawrence Taylor, Reggie White. And I'm sure when I go on social media later, people be like, just stop putting him in that class. Actually, no, the numbers show that he is on that track. Both of these guys are first ballot hall of Famers. Both were traded. Now, interestingly, the Mavs didn't love Luka's conditioning. He was beloved by teammates. They didn't love his conditioning. Micah's a little different because if you guys remember, demarcus Lawrence, a beloved Cowboy defensive lineman, got into a bit of a beef online with Micah Parsons. And I asked this question because I don't think anybody knows the answer. And we know what happens when superstars get traded within the next 72 hours. 96 week, you start to see the hit pieces, and I am pretty sure we're going to see some. Micah Parsons was a locker room distraction. I mean, DeMarcus Lawrence called him out when he left and was like, maybe if you stop tweeting and podcasting, I'd still be here. I was like, oh, whoa, that's a shot across the bow. And Jerry has made some veiled references to off the field stuff with Parsons. Nothing bad, nothing awful, but just distracted. Now, I can't tell if this is the modern young athlete. You know, Caleb Williams built a little different at quarterback. Micah Parsons has a podcast now. I haven't seen a podcast episode drop regarding this trade. I don't know if the packers are like, bro, we need you to dial that back. Remember, Aaron Rodgers is getting paid to do radio hits. Like, there's a lot of new stuff going on. And I don't know if old school guy Jerry Jones was really cool with this modern athlete who was kind of sort of bigger than Jerry in some ways. I mean, Micah would drop a podcast, and everybody's talking about Him. Is there a world where Jerry's saying, ain't nobody bigger than the Cowboys brand or me. I'm still the man here. Micah, thank you for your service. You're out. Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news. No.
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Buzz Knight
Turn on the news.
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Jason McIntyre
This is the Herdline news.
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Rachel Nichols
Jason, we got so much more, Micah, to come, but let's quickly check in on the Bengals. They've had Burrow, Chase, and Higgins all available in training camp this preseason. For the first time in years, they're all healthy, and head coach Zach Taylor is saying that's giving them confidence going into the season. Now, J. Mack, that's lovely. I'm listening to all this, and all I can think of. You were already the number one scoring offense in the NFL last season. Number one. So it's great that all these guys are healthy. I'm glad you're celebrating that in training camp. But isn't it the defense that we should be worried about with the Bengals ranked 25th last season? I mean, are they focusing on the wrong thing right now?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I would. I would agree. But, you know, if you have to pick, you would rather be loaded on offensive defense, right? Yeah.
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Jane Slater
But I'm saying.
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Rachel Nichols
They're saying, hey, this is the first time in years we've been healthy. This is amazing. We. We had a training camp last season where guys were just coming back from injury or sitting out. Okay, you know what? That got you the number one scoring offense in the NFL. I'm not worried about them.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, they're good. So I don't know.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it's interesting. By the way, Bengals at Packers, Week 6. That should be a good one.
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Jane Slater
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Basically, Michael Parsons chasing Joe Burrow around.
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Rachel Nichols
I was going to say, this trade has turned so many games into.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, yeah. But week four is Micah Parsons against Dallas.
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Rachel Nichols
Not just against Dallas, in Dallas.
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Jason McIntyre
Sunday Night Football. That's gonna be. Yeah, that's. Circle that one on the calendar. Let's get that. September 28th. Yeah. If you got a wedding to go to. Sorry. Make sure the phone is charged. Yeah, that kind of deal.
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Rachel Nichols
There you go. Let's talk a little Ravens. Lamar Jackson had an incredible season last year, but he'd, of course, call it a failure because it didn't end in a Super Bowl. So this year, he says he's trying to learn to be more vocal, more of a leader. He has one.
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Jane Slater
Really.
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Rachel Nichols
Been on his receivers in practice when they drop passes, bait interceptions. His quote was, I'm not angry at you or anything like that, but when we're Competing out here, I need you to be a competitor because I'm extremely competitive. I don't like to lose, and you should feel the same way. Now we know again, same with. Same as the Bagels, right? Regular season, Ravens regular season.
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Jason McIntyre
Lamar good? He's good.
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Rachel Nichols
Doesn't. Doesn't really need a lot of improvement there. But do you think that this more aggressive attitude over the 17 weeks will translate into better playoff performances? When it counts.
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Jason McIntyre
I'll lean. Yes. You want to work to build up to the playoffs, but the sad thing is for these guys and the Bills, like, great. You win 12 games, wonderful. Can you beat the Chiefs in junior? That's really what it's. I mean, I know that sounds bad, but would you say that's the truth?
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Rachel Nichols
Oh, it's completely the truth. But if you're Lamar Jackson, how do you prep for that? So if that's the thing that people have been saying on you to you, yeah, I can't get it done in the playoffs. Right.
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Jason McIntyre
That's.
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Rachel Nichols
That's the only knock on him because otherwise he's been phenomenal. So how would you prep to do that better now for him? This is. This is what he's trying.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it's probably going to be tough for him to stay locked in the whole regular season knowing, hey, playoffs, that's what it's all about. I did just look. Packers host The Ravens, week 17. Now, it's flexible. So I'm gonna go ahead and guess that's gonna be flexed to probably Sunday night, right? Prime time. That's gonna be an amazing game. Boy. Micah Parsons gets to chase Lamar Burrow. Oh, gosh.
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Rachel Nichols
Schedule, that, that Packer schedule, It's not easy, that.
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Jason McIntyre
That's for sure. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Rachel Nichols
All right, we'll talk a little bit more. Michael Parsons. All right. So all of this situation, you talked about it at the top of the show. A lot of spotlight on Jerry Jones as a gm. So I wanted to look at how the lack of planning by the Cowboys, how that's cost them. So first I'm going to look at the dollars. Right. Bill Barnwell of espn. No. Analytics guru, he wrote, I think it was like a 10,000 word piece breaking down every moment that the Cowboys could have extended them. These guys, what the market was at the time. These are his calculations. If they first extended DAC when they could have over both of the contracts he signed, they would have saved $49 million. If they first extended CD Lam when they had the opportunity and what the market was, they would have saved $14 million. And if he had extended Micah last year when he did the DAC and CD deals, remember, he said, we'll worry about him next year. About him next year, he could have saved $36 million less than what Micah eventually signed for in Green Bay. So, so that's just the money, by the way. And that all adds up to about $99 million you could have been paying other players. And then of course, you brought it up. When do you put. If you say, ah, well, we're here now, and Micah Parsons, we need to trade him. If you had put him up for trade in the spring, you could have gotten him out of the conference. What do you think that the Bills would have given you for Mike Parsons? What do you think the Bengals would have given you for Micah Parsons? You brought up the Raiders, right. The trade package. Even if you stayed in the conference, the packers would have been forced to give you more.
- [30:32]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Rachel Nichols
So just the opportunity cost at not making these plans for Jerry as a GM has to be part of this conversation because it's part of what got us here with this trade.
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Jason McIntyre
I look forward to reading that. It's just bad business. Right. There's no way around that. And, and I know, and listen, I, I like. So I don't know how much I've told you about myself, but, but I wanted to be a lawyer when I was a young kid. So I like to argue both sides and sometimes I'll argue against Micah and then, you know, sometimes I'll argue for. I don't think there's any other side to this trade. At least right now, you know, if they get. We don't want to, I don't want to tease the archbande to go. They get archband and he's a superstar. They trade up, that changes the thing. But right now, like, can you. What's a real argument, Rachel, right now that this was an okay deal?
- [31:19]
Rachel Nichols
I mean, the argument to me is just that they were in this position in the first place. It's such gross mismanagement. I remember two years ago, sitting on the set right across the stage over here, talking about how they had coming up, the DAC deal, the CD deal, the Parsons deal. Right. We knew it was one. We were talking about it. They didn't plan for that. Because if you were staring down the barrel of those three guys needing to get paid and you just decided, roster construction wise, it's just not a good idea for us to put this much money into three players. To me, and this is no disrespect, To Ceedee Lamb. I'm paying and keeping the two guys who affect every snap of the ball on their side. The pass rusher and the quarterback affect every snap of the ball. CD Yeah, I mean, sure, he's a decoy out there or drawing a defense when he's not catching, but he's averaging seven, I think, catches a game. So that affects such a smaller percentage of, of your game, of your plays. Like, I, I just. The decision making and forethought here, over and over and over again, even just to get us to yesterday, is something I don't think we're talking about enough.
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Jason McIntyre
Did you see that Venus Williams and Serena Williams movie with Will Smith? Yeah, Williams Sisters.
- [32:32]
Rachel Nichols
Yeah, he.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm pretty sure that was the movie where he had this great quote. If you don't have a plan, plan to fail. Yeah. And it feels like Jerry did not have a plan. He was just kind of winging it.
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Rachel Nichols
That much money?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, a lot. 99 million. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by the Herd lie news. All right, so, Rachel, we have a treat here. So Jerry spoke yesterday, and it was kind of chaotic. I did not see see this quote, but the staff just showed it to me. Here is Jerry Jones being asked, hey, man, you said a few months ago you would never trade Micah Parsons. What changed? Listen to this. You had said that you were never.
- [33:14]
Steve Covino
Considering trading Micah Parsons.
- [33:16]
Jason McIntyre
Was that a tactic at the moment, or did your tune eventually change in the last couple?
- [33:20]
Jerry Jones
Do you really think if I wanted someone to be interested in him that I would say, oh, I'm going to trade him? It's the opposite. It's the opposite.
- [33:31]
Jason McIntyre
4D chess, 5D. I don't. Guys, I'm sorry.
- [33:37]
Jane Slater
Just think about it, guys.
- [33:38]
Jason McIntyre
Can we just have this? Can we just play it? I don't know if we can just play the end of it, but when he looks, he's like, do you think I'd really. It's the op. Like, ah, listen, I know bad ownership. As a Jets fan, Woody Johnson is, for my money, the worst owner in the league. I don't see how Jerry's, like, right there with him after this debacle. I mean, it's unbelievable. All right, coming up next, Jane Slater, NFL Network. She spoke to Micah. First person to speak to Micah. She's got all the details. That's coming up next year on the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Ooh. Trust and will.
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Buzz Knight
Hi, I'm Buzz Knight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast, and join me for an upcoming episode with Seth MacFarlane, creator of Family Guy, talking about his new Frank Sinatra music project.
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Seth MacFarlane
Anyone who loves music would salivate over something like this. The biggest question for us was, what's in these boxes? There were a few unplayed gems that we had been alerted to by Charlie Pinion of Sinatra Enterprises. So we knew that certain songs like Shadow of youf Smile, which actually is not on this record, it'll be on the next one.
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Buzz Knight
Seth MacFarlane, Don Rickles went up to.
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Seth MacFarlane
Frank Sinatra and he said, listen, I'm going to be having dinner with this lovely woman and I, you know, would you come over and say hi? And just so you know, because I feel like if she sees that I know you, it's going to make me look really cool and, you know, I might have a good night. During the middle of dinner, Frank walks over and says, don, hi, how are you? And Don goes, frank, please, I'm in the middle of dinner.
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Buzz Knight
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Jason McIntyre
Who cares about truth when the lies More entertaining.
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Angela Rye
Hey everybody, I'm Angela Rai, co host of Native Lamp Pot with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum. Through the lens of politics and culture, we talk with you every week to make sense of this madness. I've been telling Angela I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves.
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Jason McIntyre
That's the truth. We're having the same debates that American.
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Steve Covino
Households are having all over the country.
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Angela Rye
Rest is certainly a form of self care, but if you are watching your full Neighbors starve, not be able to pay bills. Your rest is selfish. But the thing is, Angela, this is not the mess we created. So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know what? Y' all got it.
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Jason McIntyre
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Angela Rye
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Seth MacFarlane
Tiffany, do not run to no rural South.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't know what you're on.
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Angela Rye
What our audience is asking is. Okay, fine. You want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action.
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Steve Covino
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Jason McIntyre
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Jake Hofer
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Jason McIntyre
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Jake Hofer
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Jason McIntyre
All right, James Slater, NFL Network, coming right up real quick. Maybe I should stop bashing Jerry Jones and just thank him. He's the gift that keeps on giving, folks. He just keeps opening his mouth at the podium and saying things. And I know I used the term gaslight earlier, and I hate somebody used it on me, and it really annoyed me. But I feel like if you're a Cowboys fan and you hear this stuff, you just got to be like, bro, come on, just stop running the team. You don't even know what you're talking about. This was Jerry yesterday. Okay, frame of mind, Jerry yesterday, what he first thought about a Michael Parsons trade.
- [38:34]
Jerry Jones
There was no question in our mind that Michael could bring us a lot of resources on a trade that has been on my mind since we hired Brian. This trade was not just thought about today. This trade has been going on in our minds and our strategies and being talked about. It's been going on all spring. It culminated today, and it came quick. But that's the way things go.
- [39:12]
Jason McIntyre
All sprint, really. Okay. I'm really happy for you, Jerry. I mean, honestly, it seems like you seem like you won this deal. You're really trying to sell a really hard. It's like, you know, your. Your buddy starts dating a new girl and Then she. He introduces her to the crew and you guys hang out one night and pretty much the crews universally like, yeah, I know she's not that fun. I probably not a good. But guys, she's so cool and smart and hot and like it. She's awesome, trust me. But everybody meets her and they're like, I don't think it's a good fit. But he's really trying to sell his crew on this new girlfriend. And I feel like Jerry's trying to sell the fan base. Hey, we. We got a good deal here. All right, let's bring in Jane Slater from the NFL Network. She spoke to Micah Parsons yesterday.
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Buzz Knight
Jane.
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Jason McIntyre
In her car. Jane, I imagine you've been on your phone basically all night. This is crazy chaotic. Just give us the latest.
- [40:15]
Jane Slater
Yeah, normally this wouldn't be my setup for you, Jason, but I am actually here at the Star in Frisco where Kenny Clark just got here. So we're going to get to meet him, we'll see him at practice for the first time, and then they'll open up the locker room and we will get their reaction to trading what we all know is to be a generational player, one of their biggest guys on defense, in a trade that got them two first round picks and the defensive tackle to help them stop the run. Jason, I don't feel the need to be sold by Jerry Jo on why they traded him. Covering this team. I can tell you that it had gotten to a point here within the last 72 hours. This was really the only direction they could go. It got so messy. What he has to sell me on and what he still has to sell a lot of us. Covering the beat in that locker room is why they did it the week before the season started, why they justified the trade, because they needed to address their run defense, something they could have addressed along with the trade back at the end of March, 1st of April.
- [41:23]
Jason McIntyre
Wow. That. That. I could not have said it better. Jane Slater, the insiders on NFL Network, 7 o' clock Eastern. All right, Jane, so I'm just curious. Your initial reaction. Like you said, this has been building, but still, you know, the packers haven't done a huge deal like this in a while. It's Micah. Did you, when you first got word, were you just absolutely floored?
- [41:45]
Jane Slater
Jerry doesn't do big deals like this. You'd have to go all the way back to the Herschel Walker trade. And look, some people have joked out there that maybe watching the gambler inspired him to go out there and wheel and deal. But the truth of it is the building won here. Starting about two years ago, we started hearing frustrations within the locker room. And when I say frustrations, I don't want to sit here and say that Micah Parsons is a problem player. He certainly doesn't have problems off the field. It's more of in talking to former coaches, one of the concerns was does he love football or does he love the idea of being a football player that gets the accolades, then gets the camera and the podcast. And there would be frustration when they were in meeting rooms and he would drift in and out. I would describe it as just real. He needs a coaching staff that's really going to dive in and invest in him. We saw that with Dan Quinn, saw Mike Zimmer sort of buy in as much as he could, you know, last year, but he's that type of player that just requires a lot of, of buy in and attention. And I think it started to wear on the locker room. Let me change that. I know it wore on the locker room because in talking to previous coaching staffs in exit interviews, there were a number of players who came to them and said, we have to do something about Micah. Now I've argued it feels like they have a higher tolerance for off the field. And so that, that's frustrating. But the way that Jerry held his feet to The Fire, a 26 year old negotiating a monster deal for the first time and because he wanted to rope in his agent and Jerry sat there and said he didn't want to get a third person involved, he didn't want to renegotiate this thing. That's the thing I continue to have a problem with. I don't. He's talked to players in the past. It's just, I think Micah got in a little over his skis here. He thought because of his relationship with Jerry that they could work it out. But I think this was a little in over his head. And I don't think it's fair that he was punished because of that or that they let it linger as long as they did. That to me, is what hurt their team. I think you could have sold a lot of us around here on the trade in March, April. It's just when, when they did this, I think the catalyst was some of the defensive moves from Mike and his agent this week that's looking for a second opinion on the back and then the filing of grievances. I think the building started asking themselves, is he even going to be available to us? Is this going to be something that lingers and becomes a distraction heading into the season. Remember, we had Mike McCarthy and his coaching staff on expiring deals last year, and that. That really did weigh heavy on the locker room. Everyone's energy and their approach. Talking to people yesterday, it feels like this gives them a little bit of a clean slate. I think everyone's disappointed. They're as shocked as we are that this is where it got. But I think people realize, especially with the training table incident on Friday, where he was laying on the table watching the game. It was brief, but it was that body language that they. They don't want from a leader and they certainly don't want to invest in for years to come.
- [45:11]
Jason McIntyre
Wow, that is explosive stuff. Jane Slater. Amazing. Let me ask you, who was the leader on that team, and did they try to talk to Micah Parsons? Because we know DeMarcus Lawrence, and he had some words on social media. But I'm just curious if anybody in the building tried to get through to him during these defensive meetings where he's doing whatever or not locked in.
- [45:33]
Jane Slater
Possibly. And we'll be in the locker room today and we can ask about that. What I will say about Micah Parsons and what I appreciate about him, he reminds me of some of the 90s players, Jason. You know, the guys that have a rawness, you can't tell them nothing. I remember he was sending out a bunch of tweets his rookie season, and it was, you know, getting involved in military and politics. I was like, you might want to be careful. And he just stood on business. And when we asked him, I think it was last year in the locker room, point blank, I said, why aren't you here for voluntary OTAs? A lot of the guys live in the area. They have a really high turnout. You know, I know it's voluntary, but if you talk to a lot of players, that's how they gel, et cetera. And he said into the camera with his chest, I don't get paid the sort of money some people do to show up here and be at voluntary OTAs. I'm here at what I'm supposed to be. So it was those little things that I think were frustrating, but I'm personally going to miss his rawness and his conviction. And you saw it here. I don't think I've ever seen a player stand toe to toe with Jerry Jones the way that he did. I mean, the fact he walked in a letter to Stephen Jones, looked him in the eye and said, I want the trade, and then showed up every single day to training camp while Jerry's up in his tower, and he's there on the sidelines, jersey over his shoulder some days. A hoodie, a beanie on dealing with the Joneses, that takes a stomach. And that's why I say he is a different dude. So I'm sure there were people that likely spoke with Micah. But the problem is Micah literally will hear you. He'll receive it. You think he gets it, and then it's, you know, again, I just, I don't think he's easily focused sometimes. I think he's a type of guy you got to keep stimulating.
- [47:24]
Jason McIntyre
Oh, boy. Sounds like a bit of a headache for the packers defensive coordinator, but also a headache for opposing quarterbacks. Let me just one last question on that. Like, do you think this is just the modern young athlete? Is this him coming up in the nil? This is just who he is. Because, you know, we've heard stories about other guys. Trevor Lawrence, does he love football? Like, Micah's got a pretty thriving podcast. He's obviously huge on social media. Do you think he loves football?
- [47:52]
Jane Slater
I do. I mean, when you listen to him on his podcast, he knows a lot about it. He's interested and he's interesting. I, I, I even hate to call him. That's why I haven't called him a problem player. I don't think he's a problem player. I just think he needs a better fit. And I, I truly think, you know, when we've had players come here from different teams, they'll say, this is playoff media. You should see the amount of credentialed media that are here today. And this is just every single day. And I think when you're constantly putting a mic in people's faces, I think this generation does get something from the clicks. I think this generation does get something from the likes. And so I don't think this is unique to Micah. But I will say, if I'm Micah Parsons, I'm frustrated. You know, there's plenty of guys in my draft class that have gotten extensions. I am a generational type player. Other pass rushers got their money, and I think he just felt, I know this, I'll say this, he felt manipulated and taken advantage of at some point. And, you know, the fact that he came back this week and tried to get something done and Jerry told him, play on the fifth year option or leave. It just tells you where this thing had devolved. And I think that's unfortunate. It feels, after watching the gambler, a little bit like the Jerry Jimmy dynamic, you know, they, they appreciate Each other. Maybe one day they'll get past this. But I. But I ultimately think Jerry sort of met his match here and a guy that was unafraid, moving away, that was different than other players who have standoffs with the Joneses, but also believed in himself enough and his talent that somebody was going to pay him what he was asking.
- [49:35]
Jason McIntyre
All right, we got about two minutes left. Do you think we'll see a slew of hit pieces here in the next, I don't know, week leading up to week one? Wow. Micah Parsons, you know, he was a problem. He did this, he did that. Are we going to see that? Is stuff going to come out or. Or do you think there's just not that much ammo there?
- [49:51]
Jane Slater
I don't think there's enough ammo. I think what I'm telling you is enough of it. You know, and I think we've been. We've been. We've been sprinkling this as we've talked about this over the last six months. You know, it was talked about in the building under, you know, different coaching staffs, etc. And I think, especially when you cover a beat, you don't want to create unnecessary problems in the locker room. And so I always kind of looked at it as, ah, you know, it's differing opinions. There are big personalities in Dallas. I never thought it rose to the. We've got a cancer in the locker room. That's not how I would describe Micah. And so if those pieces come out, I don't think that. I don't think that would be fair.
- [50:31]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
- [50:31]
Jane Slater
And so I hope that's not the case. You know, I think that Green Bay is going to be a really good fit for him. I think going to a place where he's got a familiarity with the quarterback, there's less scrutiny, and I think he can get back to just focusing on football. I think that'll be a good thing for him.
- [50:49]
Jason McIntyre
I like that. Take James Slater, NFL, NFL Network catcher, on the Insiders, weeknights at 7 Eastern on NFL Network. Great stuff. Jane, enjoy the media crush today, and thanks for taking the time.
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Jane Slater
Thanks for having me on.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, boy. Jane Slater. Great stuff. Rachel. That was. I thought that was explosive, some of the stuff. I think we'll be playing those clips here in the coming hours.
- [51:13]
Rachel Nichols
Further evidence that maybe they should have done this this spring. Right.
- [51:16]
Jason McIntyre
Jerry Botch.
- [51:17]
Rachel Nichols
I mean, if this is.
- [51:18]
Jason McIntyre
Is.
- [51:18]
Rachel Nichols
If this is going on.
- [51:19]
Jason McIntyre
Yeah, yeah. Unbelievable. Hey, we got a great show. This is fun. Two more hours left. My college football picks for week one. That's next here on the Herd.
- [51:30]
Buzz Knight
Hi, I'm Buzz Knight, the host of the Taking a Walk podcast. And join me for an upcoming episode with Seth McFarland, the creator of Family Guy, talking about his new Frank Sinatra music project.
- [51:41]
Seth MacFarlane
Anyone who loves music would saliva over something like this. The biggest question for us was, what's in these boxes? Really, the most thrilling part was hiring an orchestra and just playing what was in these boxes.
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Buzz Knight
Listen to Taking a walk on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros and a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?
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Jason McIntyre
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Jake Hofer
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