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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
Okay?
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Aaron Torres
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Jason McIntyre
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Aaron Torres
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Jason McIntyre
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Aaron Torres
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Jason McIntyre
The iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR is the best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. All right, here we go. It is a Thursday, the day after the NBA draft. Everybody's trying to size it up. We are live. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mac, good to have you back. John Middelkoff filled in. Great guy. JMac is back after hanging out with the kids and doing something, you know, parenting stuff. That's the way it works. It was. NBA draft is funny because unlike the NFL draft, it's just all projection, right? Like you're just kind of. You're kind of guessing because everybody's so young. I don't know how I, you know, it's.
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Aaron Torres
I don't have a. I. I'm supposed.
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Jason McIntyre
To have really strong takes. The NBA draft is one of the things that everybody has strong takes on. And my take is who can tell, right?
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Rick Buecher
Yeah. I mean, the Brooklyn Nets had five first round picks. Everybody was expecting a trade. They take five guys, like, who knows what they're going to be next year.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, so my take is there's two guys in this draft that you will see immediately, and that's because they're going to good teams. Cooper flag in Dallas, he's going to score 18 to 20 a game, I think, very quickly, and he'll be on a good team. I think Dallas is really good. And I think V. J Edgecomb, who goes to the Sixers, again, it's a good roster, good gm, good coach. They're going to he. That kid jumps off the television. NBA skills, athletic traits. Those guys will play that. Dylan Harper goes number two. I think he has a great future, but I think it's going to take him a while to kind of figure out he's young, figure out his fit with San Antonio. But in the NFL draft, you are plugging in holes immediately, often with second, third, fourth, fifth rounders. That's why with this draft, I can't get too high, I can't get too low. I mean, for God's sakes, I'm told Portland drafted me, so who knows? SGA went 11th. He was your finals MVP. Jokic went second round, so did Draymond Green. Giannis went 15th. I think Kawhi went 15th. Halliburton went 12th by Sacramento. So once, one or two times a year, it's not just projection, or if it is, they go to good teams. You'll see them play. But if you go back 20 years, there's only been two number one picks who have been MVPs. One's obviously LeBron and then Derrick Rose. I do think this. I thought San Antonio kind of crushed it. And my take is it used to be in the 70s and 80s, if you had a dominant center, a Wilt, a Kareem, a Bill Walton, you could win a championship. And then in the 80s and 90s, it was like even Michael Jordan needed a Hall of Fame level number two. You know, Shaq and Kobe, and it's Jordan and Pippin, and it's Duncan and Parker. And then you could stack teams for a few years. And the NBA didn't like that, right? Kevin Durant, Steph. People didn't like that. Now I think we've moved into a different area. I would call it the core four. Because of the new CBA and aprons, you can't stack it with All Stars. You have to draft and develop. So for instance, I would say Indiana's got Halliburton when he comes back. Pascal Siakam, rim protector, Miles Turner and Emhardt. I think Orlando's got a really, really good core for Bankero Wagner, Jalen Suggs, and they went and got Bain from Memphis okc, Lou Dort, who I think is undrafted sga. Chet Holmgren and J Dub. I think the spurs now have a really, really good core four. So Wemby's your size. He'll be scoring size, block shots. Stefan Castle is going to be defense and distribution. And then they go get Dylan Harper, number two. I think by his second year in the NBA, he's going to be a real scorer. And then they got Carter Bryant. Carter. Bryant's the guy I talked about for the last month. He's the one guy I think is a bit underrated in the draft. I don't know if Carter Bryant's going to be a good NBA scorer, but that dude is long from Arizona and he's going to. He is going to defend day one. Like he's disruptive. But, you know, I look at international guys, I look at domestic guys. 18 years old. Remember, women mature more quickly than boys. I mean, a lot of parents have a teenage son at 17. Are they going to be valedictorian or are you going to be getting them out of juvie? You ever really don't know, by 15 years old you get a sense what your daughter is. So I don't know what to do with the NBA draft, Rick. I do think there's two guys that will come in good teams. Cooper, flag VJ Edgecomb, jump off the tv. We all watch them in March. We all know they can play because they're on good teams that will make the playoffs. Cooper will make it in Dallas, Vijay will make it in Philadelphia, in the East. Here's Rick Patino on both yesterday.
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Rick Pitino
Well, he's physically ready, he's extremely athletic, he shoots the basketball. He's a tough young man and he's maybe one of like three players that are ready to have an impact right away for the Dallas Mavericks. He's ready for the NBA and I think he'll be an impact basketball player right away.
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Jason McIntyre
So you faced VJ Edgecomb from Baylor. Okay, what did you see that you like as a pro and is there anything he needs to work on as a pro?
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Rick Pitino
VJ is a tremendous athlete. Fast, he plays way, way above the rim, he's lightning quick in the open court, he's got an average to good jump shot. He needs a lot of work on his jump shot. But that being said, most guys when they go to the NBA from being declared non shooters become great shooters by the time they're in their second third year in the NBA.
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Jason McIntyre
So Rick Pitino knows hoops. Those are the two guys, I think next year you'll see them on tv, they're on playoff teams and they'll score. I want to talk about Cooper flag. So actually number one picks in the NBA obviously Anthony Bennett, Markelle Fultz were just big misses. But if you, if you go to the last 10 domestic number one picks, most of them hit. Zion Williamson, lack maturity. Markel Fultz, I don't know what that was. John Wall to me was never a winning player. I mean he, he wants like in 2018 left and they went on a five game winning streak. I thought he was just talented. But most of these guys, Blake, Derrick Rose, AD Anthony Edwards, Cade Bancaro's a stud. Kyrie Irving, most of them work. And what's pretty clear, what's really clear to me, there's only one warning sign that almost always comes to fruition if a guy's got an attitude. Ben Simmons, very early. Yikes. Deandre Ayton, very early, doesn't play well with others. This Ace Bailey guy going to Utah like wouldn't work out for teams. Looked like he was unhappy getting drafted. Like I know everybody said he could be the second best player in the draft, but I don't care about your altitude, I don't care how high you jump. If I don't like your attitude, it doesn't work. So if you start looking at number One picks international or domestic. The guys that don't work usually just aren't ready for the moment. A lot of it's maturity, you know, I mean, Zion, he just couldn't control his weight, his personal life. The Ace Bailey to me looks like trouble. I. My guess is I like Danny Ainge a lot and he was probably too good not to draft. But I think that's the one thing, the one warning sign to me, I mean, you got to have more self awareness. You have not played in the NBA, you haven't even played a summer league game. And Ace Bailey looks like he's not interested. But as far as Cooper Flag goes, this looks like another hit. And even more than the NFL, the number one pick in the draft, there's been a couple of misses, bad misses. Most of the time it works. And here's Cooper Flag.
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Cooper Flagg
We started to be a sponge to get down there and just learn, be surrounded by, you know, hall of Fame caliber guys and just to be able to learn from them. It's going to be an incredible experience. I feel so blessed, you know, to be in the position I am and just to get down there, like I said, be a sponge, learn and try and grow my game as much as I can.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I, I don't know if we're getting better at the draft. I do think, and I'll talk about this later, and I've talked about this sort of ad nauseam in the last couple of months, Jay, is that I do think you start looking at the picks. It was a very domestic driven draft. I think you're going to see more of that because I think what's happening, the universities in America that make March Madness, the nil, is allowing them to buy the best European players at 17 and 18 and the other top players in the college basketball, many, maybe three or four or five or six a year now, are staying for another year and not going to the G League because now the NIL pays more than the G League and the coaching's better. So I think last night's draft, if anything, I don't know if it's a great draft, but I do think drafts will start looking more like this, that even if it's an international player, he'll have played at Oklahoma or Illinois or Michigan or, you know, Kentucky. I. And I think, let's be honest, that helps. It does help. If you have March Madness or big games at Duke or Connecticut or Arizona or Gonzaga and they make television, it helps your branding. Part of why we love sports and the NFL, because Tim Tebow, whether he can play or not, comes into the NFL and he's the number one jersey seller or Reggie Bush. And I think, I think a big part of the NFL's advantage over the NBA is we love the players before they get to pro football. So I think last night's draft is the beginning of a really good trend. We'll have watched almost all these guys, even the international guys mostly will have seen them in March. Yeah.
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Rick Buecher
And you had the great point a couple weeks ago about the international young teenagers now coming to the US to play college basketball. And I think branding is also part of it, in addition to the nil. And you know, that trend of, hey, European players at the top of the draft that nobody knows, maybe that cycle is over and now we're transitioning back to American players. And listen, I know there's Cooper Flagg is divisive. Colin. People are like comparing him to Christian Laettner and stuff. I think, I don't think people have watched this kid. He is unbelievable.
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Jason McIntyre
He is.
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Rick Buecher
And this attitude, you could hear, hear him in the interview. He's going to be dominant. And I like Dallas a lot next year.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't know about you. I mean, like, listen, Anthony Bennett and Markelle Fultz didn't work. But by and large, considering how little you've seen the guys play before draft night, I mean, a lot of these guys come out at 18. NBA does a pretty good job of nailing their number one picks. I mean, Blake Griffin, probably, he was dynamic. Maybe he's not as good as you thought, but Blake Griffin had a great career. He was one of the most talked about and commercialized players over his career. So there's not a lot of huge misses. And it, it's usually an attitude. Anthony Bennett's one of the few guys that you're like, and I remember that draft. It was a horrible draft and nobody knew what to do with it and it just didn't work. But by and large, basketball does a pretty good job of identifying, often at 14 years old, Kobe, LeBron, Luka at 14, 15, way before they come into the draft, who the best player is. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Jay
Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paulie and Tony Fusco Show. Usually in these promos, they ask you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you, please don't listen to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to this show so it can get canceled.
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Colin Cowherd
What the hell are you doing in our studio? Get him, Paulie.
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Malcolm Gladwell
Ignore that fool.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to the Pauli and Tony Fusco show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
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Jason McIntyre
He's still moving.
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Jay
Malcolm Gladwell here. I recently recorded the first episode of Smart Talks with IBM, where I learned how AI agents are joining AI assistants as a major productivity tool. Let's start with AI agents. AI agents can reason, plan and collaborate with other AI tools to autonomously perform tasks for a year. User Brian Bitzel, an expert from IBM, gave me an example of how a college freshman might use an AI agent.
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Brian Bitzel
As a new student. You may not know how do I deal with my health and wellness issue. How many credits am I going to get for this given class? You could talk to someone and find out some of that, but maybe it's a little bit sensitive and you don't.
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Jason McIntyre
Want to do that.
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Jay
Bissell told me you could build an AI agent, a resource for new students that helps them navigate a new campus, register for classes, access the services they need, and even schedule appointments on their behalf, which in turn buys them more time to focus on their actual schoolwork.
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Brian Bitzel
We can see patterns of how agents and assistants can help employees and customers and end users be more productive, automate workflows so they're not doing certain types of repetitive work over and over again and streamlining their lives and making data more accessible to them 24 hours a day.
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Jay
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Jason McIntyre
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Aaron Torres
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, now you were very good. You were a little bit of a soothsayer on the team usa. You said, colin, slow down. We're gonna fly through the group stage. What are you predicting for Costa Rica? This is a much better team. Give me your thoughts.
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Rick Buecher
Can I just save it for tomorrow? We have a good segment here. I want to get to it.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay. Okay. Okay. So yesterday there was, you know, sometimes you just shouldn't bring stuff up. You could be on a date, you could be in a business meeting, you could be in the back of an Uber. Like certain things just don't bring up into the conversation. There's trigger words. There's. There's things that frighten people. So Stan Kroenke owns the Rams. Great owner Josh Cronkey also owns the Nuggets. Josh Cronkey's his son. He's running. He's kind of running day to day. The Nuggets president, he's running things. So he was talking about, you know, this was pre draft and he had this to say.
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Josh Cronky
Frightening for us as an organization going into that second April is not necessarily something that we're scared of. I think that there are rules around it that we needed to be very careful of with our injury history. The wrong person gets injured and very quickly you're into a scenario where that I never want to have to contemplate. And that's trade number 15.
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Jason McIntyre
Don't bring that up in front of a microphone. Not for like nine more years. He's the best player in the NBA. That's one of those things. Don't even compl. You just gave sports talk radio in Denver four weeks of off season chatter. Broncos and Jokic is getting traded. Like, don't say that. And I was saying this. So I was talking to the staff yesterday after the show and I said, oh, you'd be amazed how few players are completely untradable. So I have the significant seven. Cannot trade them. Number one is Caitlin Clark. Literally moved merchandise up 550% for the league. She is not only the face of the wnba, she's the greatest face, the most popular face ever. If Indiana moved off her, and I'm not joking here, I think the fan base would absolutely revolt. She's turned the fever and the league around untradable. Number two, Patrick Mahomes. It's not that he's just talented. He's the Only guy in the last 20 years. You're gonna surpass Brady here. Like, like, we're serious here. Like, Brady picked up the greatest of all time a long time ago, right? Like, is he the guy? Unbelievably marketable. Kansas City was swimming an average even with Alex Smith and andy Reid. A1 and Doner. Can't trade him. Most talented quarterback probably. And come from behind quarterback even better than Elway. Second most untradable American athlete and a good guy. Number three, Shohei Ohtani. I'm sorry. His connection to the Pacific Rim. He drives road attendance. He is better than Babe. He is the best, most talented baseball player in the history of the sport in a market that has, I think. Is Dodger Stadium the biggest stadium in baseball? It's certainly close. It's like 56, 57,000. He makes Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. We live in an event era. He makes every Dodger game an event. Completely untradable. Shohei Ohtani, number four is the world's best basketball player. The joker. Listen, Denver's a football town. The fact that they have the best basketball player in the world can't trade him. I mean, best passing big, best shooting big, one of the best scoring bigs. Elevate your roster. And when your coach got fired, he became sort of a surrogate coach for the Nuggets. I mean, they took Oklahoma City 7 and they had no bench outside of Russell Westbrook. So untradeable. Number five is Josh Allen. I know he doesn't have a ring outside of Josh Allen, outside of Patrick Mahomes. Privately. If the Bills called every single team in the league and offered him, everybody except Kansas City should take him. I don't care. I don't care if it's Cincinnati. Burrow's been hurt multiple times. He is the most physically gifted quarterback in the league's history. And I was a Elway zealot. Nothing like him. 66250. All about team jumps over linebackers. He's more talented than Mahomes. He is. He's bigger, he's stronger. His arms as strong. Number five, Josh Allen. Number six, Aaron Judge. Aaron Judge is so great that if the Dodgers called and said, you want Ohtani for Judge, they wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it. And they shoot shouldn't. He is so unique. He's a mountain man. He's 6, 6, 6, 7. He's a great guy. He's by far and away, he's the only guy outside of Otani that a casual baseball fan would probably pay to see he's got a Paul Bunyan esque kind of gravitas. Most home runs. He's already a record setter. Most home runs in American League history for a season 62. And I. And I'm serious. If the Dodgers said we'll give you Otani for judge, they wouldn't move off him. He is a beloved player. And number seven. You're going to think this is crazy. I think it's Jaden Daniels. I think he is our next superstar in the NFL. I thought last year was the greatest rookie season by far. He took over a laughing stock for 15, 20 years of franchise relevance, maturity, arm movement to the nation's capital. There is an argument over the next 20 years they're going to become Kansas City in the NFC. That kid was bizarrely good as a rookie. You cannot trade him. So JMac, I'm only doing seven. You're going to bring up. I do think there's a number eight that you're going to jump on. I'm not going to put it in there. Who's the first one that jumps out that's not on it?
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Rick Buecher
Okay, so I'll throw a bunch of guys at you. We got some time here. Let me just start with the guy who just won the NBA title. Right? Was the MVP of the league. Scoring leader, Finals mvp. Want to check? He's in hallowed territory. Sga. I'm just going to start. Do you think he's tradable?
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Jason McIntyre
If the Denver Nuggets called and said we'll trade you. Nice title. Jokic for sga, you would be a moron. I get six, eleven and a half. A better passer, a mountain man. The only guy in the league. Draymond Green has said in his career, wave the white flag. There is no way. Anthony Davis can't defend him. Draymond can't. SGA had three bad games in the final.
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Rick Buecher
I wanted to lay up. I don't. I would. I would largely agree. SGA is not on this list.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay.
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Rick Buecher
But if that's your measure, Jokic, would you do the trade one? Benyama, you do that in heartbeat. 2115 years of women.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay. Okay. Wemby has already missed 40 games with a blood clot.
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Rick Buecher
So what? 40, so what?
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Jason McIntyre
Interesting. That's what people said about Chris Bosh. He went from an all star to out of the league. Big guys get hurt. Blood clots for taller players. Do I think Wemby is going to be great? Yeah. He's 7 4. Nobody is really supposed to be built to be 74 and play the style and pace of the NBA. I think he's going to be great. But if I told you he had another injury this year. He is 7 4. So you say. Well, Jokic is 7ft. He's 275 pounds.
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Rick Buecher
Well, I don't know. Caitlin Clark's hurt for the second time in two weeks. Maybe we add her to the list because of the injury.
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Jason McIntyre
There is no history of guards being hurt.
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Aaron Torres
Let's go.
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Rick Buecher
Joe Burrow.
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Jason McIntyre
You're telling me the Bengals one more injury and you have to draft a quarterback in Cincinnati?
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Rick Buecher
Are you serious?
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Rick Buecher
You think the Bengals would actually trade.
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Jason McIntyre
Joe Burrow second game of the year ACL tell for Joe Burrow. You are drafting another quarterback.
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Rick Buecher
I got a big list here. Giannis, he doesn't have injuries, so what other card are you going to play?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, he does.
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Aaron Torres
And.
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Jason McIntyre
And can't hit a free throw late. No, I mean does not have a jump shot. And what if they can't get out of the first round since his best teammates left. Can't get out of the first round.
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Rick Buecher
They waited 40 years after Jabar to win a title. Giannis brought it to him. He makes them relevant and get out.
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Jason McIntyre
Of the first round in the East. Let me.
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Rick Buecher
Let me hit you with Lamar Jackson, who's kind of a divisive player.
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Jason McIntyre
Josh Allen has lost playoff games, but has played brilliantly. The criticism of Lamar is totally fair. He has struggled in the postseason. If Buffalo called today and said, hey, Baltimore, you want Josh, you make the deal immediately. You may and I love Lamar. You make the deal immediately. Sorry. The truth. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Jay
Malcolm Gladwell here. I recently recorded the first episode of Smart Talks with IBM where I learned how AI agents are joining AI assistants as a major productivity tool. Let's start with AI agents. AI agents can reason, plan and collaborate with other AI tools to autonomously perform tasks for a user. Brian Bitzel, an expert from IBM, gave me an example of how a college freshman might use an AI agent.
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Brian Bitzel
As a new student, you may not know how do I deal with my health and wellness issue? How many credits am I going to get for this given class? You could talk to someone and find out some of that, but maybe it's a little bit sensitive and you don't want to do that.
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Jay
Bissell told me you could build an AI agent, a resource for new students that helps them navigate a new campus, register for classes, access the services they need, and even schedule appointments on their behalf, which in turn buys them more time to focus on their actual schoolwork.
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Jason McIntyre
All right. A guy that watches as much college basketball as anybody I know. And J. Mac. J. Mac is the college basketball aficionado on this show. And Aaron Torres, Fox Sports Radio, he has the Aaron Torres Sports podcast is joining us. I'll start with. I'm going to ask you about four or five guys.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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Jason McIntyre
So Ace Bailey and I said this. If you go look at top picks that don't make NBA does a pretty good job of identifying. I mean with sometimes just 18, 19 year old kids in the NFL, it's easier. I get four or five years of tape. You're a more mature player. You're getting 18 year olds from Yugoslavia. You don't know. I mean you really don't. Or the former, you know, Yugoslavia. So you don't, you just don't know. And so my take is when I watch Ace Bailey, I'm like, okay, you're great, but Rutgers couldn't make the tournament. You wouldn't work out for anybody. I mean like not a lot of self awareness last night you watched him, you know him. Are there red flags? What do you make of him as a player and as a prospect?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. First of all, I appreciate you having me. I don't know if this is the last show you're doing before you ship out to Portland or whatever, but I hope you had a good night last night at your draft party there, Colin. So Ace Bailey, listen, the whole situation is weird. I'll be totally honest. You know, I didn't love the whole I'm only going to work out for certain things Now I think I understand the concept of he's a high volume guy. You don't want to go to the wrong team, sit on the bench, not set yourself up to get the second contract. But I also think that like once that happens, I don't blame the Jazz for drafting a guy totally based on upside, that if it hits like it isn't an insane possibility, like it isn't a completely unrealistic possibility that he ends up the best player in the draft. And so, you know, the Jazz are one of these teams. I don't think the rebuild has been quite as long as we think it is, but it feels like it's been like four or five years they've been waiting to get in position to get that guy. And if you have the opportunity to get the potentially first, second best player in this draft at number six where they were drafting, you just have to take advantage. So I didn't love Ace Bailey's approach to this. I would have personally advised him to handle it differently. But once he's there and you're the Utah Jazz and you just cannot get into that top spot or two, I don't blame them for taking the upside pick.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, his teammate, Dylan Harper and Carter Bryant go to the Spurs. I said I'm not going to pretend I know. But it does feel like they're going to be part of their core four, with Wemby being obviously the centerpiece. Give me a little on Dylan Harper and a little on Carter Bryant.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I love the draft. And, you know, I put out a tweet at some point last night that this feels like if it hits, where OKC was four years ago is, you've got all these picks. And again, I. I also give the spurs credit. They might not be drafting, frankly, in the lottery for. For literally like a decade. If this goes well, they won't be drafting this high for a long time. So don't get cute. Don't take. Just take the best player available and hope that he absolutely hits in Dylan Harper. And I think there's an argument that he was the best player. Again, you could argue somebody else. Ace Bailey, whatever. The guy that I am excited about, Colin, I'm so fired up that you feel the same way. Carter Bryant. To me, if Carter Bryant hits, I think he's going to be a true star. And I know everybody wants to look at the stats at Arizona. I'll give a little background. You know, I love Tommy Lloyd. I love this staff. I hope this doesn't come off as a criticism, but they are a program. You know, Tommy Lloyd's a Mark Few guy. Mark Few relies on his veterans, trusts his veterans. Tommy Lloyd comes from that tree. And I think Tommy Lloyd, I think, planned on easing Carter Bryant in, and all of a sudden it's like, oh, my God, this guy's way better than we realized.
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Jay
And.
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Colin Cowherd
And now all of a sudden you're kind of, you know, stuck in this spot of, he's playing better than you were anticipating. The point I'm trying to make, don't look at the stats. The analogy that I have made on Carter Bryant, I truly believe I've said this a million times for people who have listened to me. I was at UConn at the same time as Rudy Gay. Carter Bryant reminds Me so much of Rudy Gay at the same age. And I know some people say, oh, Rudy Gay, what is that? Rudy Gay played in the NBA for 18 years. Rudy Gay retired last year at 13. 38 years old. Like, don't let LeBron fool you. If you are playing until you're 38 years old, it means you had a very good NBA career. And I think if it hits, Carter Bryant is one of the two, three, four best players in this draft. So I love the Dylan Harper pick, but I really love the Carter Bryant pick as well.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I've been saying for two weeks when you turned Arizona on certain college players, you're like, oh, okay, wow, who's that guy? The other kid, the, The Baylor kid? V.J. edgecombe. Okay. We all watch Baylor top program, that kid. Now, stylistically he's not Westbrook, but burst speed, jet fuel. Wow. He jumped off the TV when I watched him. Your thoughts?
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Colin Cowherd
A thousand percent. First of all, I'll say this about Carter going back to Carter Bryant. For half a second, I was in the same boat as you. I had seen him in high school. You turn on that first second Arizona game, you're like, oh my goodness, this guy is better than we expected. But in terms of Edgecomb is concerned. So I'm with you, Colin, and I'll say this is that, you know, myself, a lot of people were kind of critical of the draft coverage last night. I thought they actually did a good job of explaining kind of this weird situation that Philadelphia is in where it's like, if Embiid is healthy, you're sort of a contender, especially with where the east is going to be next year. But also you're sort of in a rebuild because Embiid is never healthy. So what do you do? And I think Edgecombe is exactly what you just said is he's an elite, A plus plus athlete that is learning the game of basketball in real time. But I think in a worst case scenario, you have a guy that shows up to work every day, competes, plays hard, elite defender, and then it just comes down to can he consistently get that offense? And I think with him, and I think you kind of mentioned this off the top, sometimes it's just so tough. I mean, this is an 18 year old kid going into a Baylor program that has always had success, but also with a couple, you know, high ups or not high upside, but really kind of veteran transfer type guys. And you know, he kind of didn't know, not in a negative way, but didn't really know where he fit. How you Know how far could he push things? And so I think he could be just, just. I think in a worst case scenario, you're getting an elite defensive player, elite athlete, guy that shows up every day and if the offense clicks. I know I've said it about four different guys in this draft, but again, he's another one that in theory could be one of the two or three best players in the draft.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay. A guy that's already an NBA shooter is Trey Johnson, who went to Washington. Now, not a lot of college guys are elite shooters. Can this guy walk into the NBA and walk in and average double figures and be like a, like a, like a number two or three scoring option for a team?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I was talking to your Texas insider, Greg Tuohy before I came on here, and Tuohy loved watching him as a Longhorn. I loved watching him. Let me, let me just keep it very simple. When you are breaking some of Kevin Durant's freshman scoring record to Texas, like you can put the ball in the basket, right? And all I would say is, is that, you know, anybody who isn't sold or doesn't know enough about him. He played a game at Budwall and Arena against Arkansas where he did literally break Kevin Durant's single game scoring record of. He had 42. Durant had 40 when he played at Texas. And he just showed every shot, every this, every that. And the thing I'll give him credit for too, a little bit like Edgecombe, but not really is, you know, he was, he was playing on, frankly, not a very good team. I know Texas made the tournament, but they had this weird resume. SEC gets a million teams in, and he showed up every day ready to play. And I thought, you know, they're on a big losing streak. It's easy as a freshman, you know, you're going pro, take the night off. He showed up every single day ready to compete. You know, I'll be honest, I don't know that he does much other than score. But listen, every team, every team in the NBA needs a dude that can put the ball in the basket. And Trey Johnson certainly provides that.
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Jason McIntyre
Finally, Cooper Flag. Is there anything about his game that you. Does he have a trade or something he has to work on?
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Colin Cowherd
That's a great question. I actually don't think so. As crazy as that. Now listen, everybody's got to work on everything. The thing I caution with Cooper Flag is I think when we think of these high upside freshmen that have been talked about for years, we just assume it's a dude that's going to come in and score, you know, 30 points a night or his ceiling is a 30 point night score. That's not really who he is. He's. He's a great facilitator. You know, 6 foot 8, 6 foot 9. He averaged however many assists he did at Duke. He is a great wing defender. I love that. I was saying that right as the wing defense shows up on film and I look like a genius. But no, he's a great wing defender. He's a great help side defender. He's just a complete player and I think until you watch him game after game, you don't fully appreciate that. I think the assumption is you turn it on, you want to see him score 30. He can do that. But that is not where he's at his best. He's at his best playing both ends of the floor, competing, defending on the wing help side defense. I just think he's going to be an absolute star. And I think the cool thing is maybe he's not a guy that can get 30 points a game, but with that specific team, he doesn't have to.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, the. I like the fact there were so many domestic players and I think the NIL is helping American universities poach some of the great European players. The Bulls got a guy that I'm, you know, he's so raw. You can't really tell is. I mean, there's always, there's always a guy or two that. And we got about a minute left. Is there a player you're worried about? There's always going to be guys that don't work. I mean, are some of these young guys. I mean, I was just reading all the draft perspective stuff last night and this morning. Any. Anybody that you worry about, first of.
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Colin Cowherd
All, I'll just say this really quick. I love the take that you've had about NIL helping both college basketball and the NBA. I think there are about four or five guys that could have heard their names late first round that all decided to go back to college, get ready for next year and next year's class is loaded. As far as guys that I do worry a little bit about, listen, I heard, you know, Billis all, you know, fired up about Colin Murray Boyles at number nine there to Toronto. One certainly didn't seem like he was excited to go to Toronto. I'll. I'll let everybody do the lip reading on, on the, on the draft video. Two is he's like an undersized four, not crazy athletic. I don't. It's one of those where everybody else is so excited about him, you feel like you being me feel like you're supposed to be excited about him. I don't know that I'm there yet. He's the one guy I just didn't really get in the top 10. But again, maybe, maybe I'm just missing out on it. And everybody else has the right take on him.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, by the way, 30 seconds. The Walter Clayton kid. I don't love him as much as anybody else. The kid that went to Florida. Yeah. The guard. Yeah. I think, I don't know, I just, I think he's. Is he, is he your fifth best starter? I know everybody loves. I love his story. A minute left. How good is he going to be now?
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Colin Cowherd
Great question. And listen, I love college hoops. I'm as guilty as anybody have fallen in love with guys that, that have an awesome tournament. Listen, maybe it is one of those story is better than the actual reality of it. We're talking about a kid who started his career at Iona with Rick Patino. Rick patino goes to St. John's Todd golden convinces him to go to Florida. I think he's a dude that can get buckets. Now again, you see a guy dominate an NCAA tournament, you assume he's going to be a top five pick and that translates to the NBA as a 6263 guy that isn't really a ball handler. You know, I think he's more of an off the bench scorer. But the Wizards just need like NBA caliber players and I think they got one in Walter Clay.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, that's. To me, he's like your fifth best starter. First guy off the bench gets a bucket. There's huge value in the league, but he's not a star. I just love his story. Aaron Torres. Got to go. It's great seeing you, buddy.
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Colin Cowherd
Thank you for having me. Colin. Enjoy Portland. Okay?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, thank you very much. I will. Okay.
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