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Dallas Goddard
Otezla Aprimolast yeah, being a football player with plaque psoriasis can be challenging. My skin gets flaky and itchy, so my doctor told me about a pill, otla. It works from the inside out.
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OTESLA is a prescription medicine used to treat adult patients with plaque psoriasis for whom phototherapy or systemic therapy is appropriate. OTESLA can help you get clearer skin after just four months. Dallas is an OTLA patient that has been compensated for his time. Don't use OTLA if you're allergic to it. Get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing or swallowing, swelling of the face, lips, tongue, throat or arms, severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, depression, suicidal thoughts or weight loss can tell your doctor if any of these occur. And if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts.
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Dallas Goddard
Talking to my doctor about a pill was a total game changer.
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Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. All right, here we are. Vacation is officially over. Live in Los Angeles, little new studio. For a while. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mac we went to different places. You were on the beach. I had a hammer and nails and was making things happen. But it's interesting what happened. It was a pretty good week to take off. There wasn't a lot going on. But over the course of the weekend, we saw some very interesting things happen. And with the Lakers, with the warriors, with the Knicks, with the Celtics, and I want to talk about that. So, you know, sometimes people get blamed for stuff and sometimes they're at fault. But Jimmy Butler is one of those guys that, throughout his NBA career, lot of finger pointing. Jimmy's a problem. But I had said about a month ago, the warriors need to create some inertia. They're boring. Steph looks bored. They just look bored. And Jimmy Butler gets people worked up. He's like, he works hard at practice. He'll get after a coach. Well, the warriors are now 5:1 since Jimmy Butler arrived. By the way, how are his old team, the Sixers, doing with Joel Embiid? They've lost seventh straight. And Embiid got bench yesterday. And remember, Embiid was the franchise. Jimmy Butler in Philadelphia was viewed as a problem. He was also viewed as a problem in Chicago, where he led him to the second round of the playoffs. And they've been unwatchable since. He goes to Minnesota, great numbers, playoffs, they blamed him there. He goes to Miami. They didn't blame him. Last four years, Finals twice. Miami, a very strong organization, figured out, hey, Jimmy's not for everybody. But what Jimmy creates is intensity. And in the NBA, all these guys are talented. I mean, you don't make the NBA. Just think of how great you have to be to be in the NBA. But I would argue there's not that many winning players. LeBron's not just talented. He's a winning player. Steph Curry's a winning player. Draymond Green is a classic. Not as talented as a lot of guys, but a winning player. Well, that's Jimmy Butler. Bulls playoffs, T Wolves playoffs, Miami Heat finals. And here he goes to the Warriors. So the warriors were kind of a lifeless offense when Steph was off the floor. Pods was like sometimes a one or a two. You can never count on Wiggins. Well, now they have a number two. And what he's doing, he's getting to the free throw line. So the warriors just didn't get to the free throw line. And that is part of being a winning player. And that's what Jimmy Butler is. Right? I just looked this morning. Free throws made. They were near the bottom of the NBA since he arrived. They're first. A free throw percentage. Bottom of the NBA since he's arrived, they're second. That is what a winning player does. And this organization needed, fight needed, feisty, needed to get to the line, needed contact. And Jimmy is not, by the way, Miami Heat one and five since he left. Warriors five, one since he arrived. And again, I get that Butler's not for everybody, but this is what I said a month ago. This is a boring team. They don't have any offensive energy if Steph's not on the floor, they're unwatchable. Jimmy Butler will just create things. He'll get on his coaches, his teammates, practice will be harder. And he's a really nice offensive player. And the thing with Butler, he's not a naturally gifted offensive player. He is a grinder. So he gets banged up, he plays hard. But when you watch the warriors today, now Pods is their third or their fourth guy. Steph's their one, Butler's there too. Kaminga now, everybody. It's like a pitching staff that gets a true number two starter behind their ace and it sets up everybody else to go against a pitcher that's of the same talent. So they were asking guys like Pods and and to do things he's not capable of. They wanted more consistency from Kaminga at this point. You don't always get that. You know exactly what you get with Jimmy Butler. He has created a lot of things. Free throws, free throws made. They'll be better defensively, better in the half court offense. And Steve Kerr, 5 and 1 since he arrived, talked about Jimmy Butler feels easier right now for us. You can make a mistake and keep playing and not feel like, you know, my God, we got to, we got to flip things right now. The trade itself, I think I mentioned this after the Sacramento game. We just. We needed it and, you know, we felt it. We were kind of treading water. Sometimes you just. You got to shake things up. And we shook things up. For the record, Joel Embiid has become mostly a big truck that half the time you can't even get out of the garage. He's getting benched. He won't play back to backs. And this is an organization where people are going to lose their jobs because Embiid is not delivered. He may have the worst contract now in professional sports, he's getting hurt more often. I've never seen him as a leader, but it was Embiid sometimes. Talent. Remember Durant and Westbrook? Nobody can deny Westbrook's energy, production and talent. And Sam Presti's a brilliant gm, but Katie's like, I'm the better player by far. Can I get a little love? And I think. I think Daryl Morey's a smart guy. But in the end, Embiid struggles. Forget getting along with teammates. Embiid struggles to play well with others. Hell, he struggled at the Olympics. Remember the Olympic? It was the one guy that didn't work at the Olympics. Butler can work with any team. There is no. I don't care if he went to the Knicks or the Celtics tomorrow. Butler works with every team. He makes every team better. He gets into the playoffs. Yes, he can wear you out. Some relationships don't last forever. Steph Curry doesn't wear people out. Jimmy can wear people out, but he'll make your basketball team better. All right, something else that happened over the weekend. So this has been a long time coming, and this is not a shot at LeBron James, but LeBron now is in what year? 22. LeBron at his best is going to give you amazing four and five minute flashes of brilliance, but he cannot be the initiator of the offense anymore. If Luka sits down, he can be. If, if, if, if luka's playing and LeBron sits down. Austin Reaves also capable of being a playmaker. J.J. redick finally said the quiet part out loud as the Lakers beat Denver is that Luka had his highest usage rate as a Laker and it was his best game. This is how the Lakers should play. Because remember, as great as Kyrie Irving was in Cleveland, he was relegated to a shooting guard with LeBron and probably should have been as great as D. Wade was in Miami. He was relegated to off ball. And he's not a great, pure shooter. LeBron has been such a force of nature and so Great for so long that everybody wants him to play off ball. And AD is great, but AD can't be the playmaker. So LeBron's entire career, it's not that LeBron's selfish. I always use a statistic with LeBron James. He averaged like 28 a game his junior year in high school. He could have averaged 60 his senior year. You know what? He averaged one more point of senior year. LeBron wants to pass. He likes to be a playmaker. I've always felt he's more Magic Johnson than Michael Jordan. He wants others to score, but he likes to control the offense. Finally, finally he has a teammate. This is, this is due to two things. Luke is a really good playmaker and LeBron's now 40. So the combination of the two, a transformational young talent in Luka and The fact that LeBron is older and is great in spurts. But in the Denver game, when LeBron didn't have to be the initial the initiator of offense, his usage rate was only 29%. That's well below his average. Did you also notice since Luke arrived, What's happened to LeBron's efficiency? It's gone through the roof. So he's fresh for those flurries late in the round, late in the quarter, late in the sequence, late in the half, late in the game. So this is finally. And now, now it's working. Now somebody said this to me years ago and it was really smart about LeBron. Whenever you play with LeBron, you are playing in LeBron's offense. You just have to figure out now, Kyrie got really frustrated with it. But I think LeBron, because of his age and because I think Lucas even, I mean, listen, Kyrie's an all time talent, but I think he looks at Luka and goes, okay, finally. As much as I loved AD, he's not a playmaker. Luka is. Austin Reaves is. LeBron is. But this is what JJ Redick said after this win in Denver. And this is the quiet part. Finally, finally being said out loud.
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Luca needs to be the guy that.
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Dallas Goddard
Controls the offense and burn in AR because we're going to stagger everybody. They're going to have their times to be on the ball.
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But all three of those guys are.
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Dallas Goddard
Very intelligent basketball players and we can create mismatches if we can get teams in the blender.
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Jason McIntyre
Nobody's ever said that like that has been thought about privately. It's been whispered. It's been, you know, it'd probably be BET the whole AD time we kept waiting for the baton pass. That against Denver. That was the baton pass. That was a moment. That's what I said. I think the Lakers can play for the Western Conference finals if they play like that. You got Rui in the corner. Austin Reaves is your third best playmaker. Luke is your primary initiator. And LeBron off ball unless Lucas sits for the record. LeBron sees it and said this after.
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Dallas Goddard
I'm a natural born wide receiver and he's a natural born quarterback. So it fits perfectly. You know, I'm. I've been running the floor and running lanes like, you know, pretty much my whole life. And he's been throwing great passes pretty much his whole life. So it's not. It's not hard to get a rhythm when it comes to that. You know, it's just all about, you know, eye contact and, you know, him being the great quarterback like he is, and me being the recipient of it.
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Jason McIntyre
This is not a small thing. This has, like, been the discussion for years. This is what Kyrie complained about. D. Wade didn't complain about it. D. Wade and Spoelstra figured it out after about two practices. This is gonna be LeBron's team. Kyrie pushed back, but LeBron was better at it. AD I'm not a playmaker. This is what it can look like. This is what it can look like at its best. Luka's the playmaker. He initiates it. LeBron will have more efficiency and more energy late in the quarter. Half game and they blow out Denver. And Denver is a team I don't know in the last 15 is the. Is Denver 14 and 1. Denver always beats the Lakers. And this wasn't even close. So I don't want to get too crazy, but this is what it should look like. J. Mac, listen. Hockey blew up when I was gone. Aaron Rodgers may be a Ram. Colin, right? Colin Wrong. NFL may screw around with their kickoffs even more. I hope you had a great time with the fam.
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Rachel Nichols
I did. Wife and I went to Grand Cayman, so nice little getaway down to the Caribbean. It's good to be back and hear you saying nice things about LeBron. Oh, my gosh, Colin, that's awesome.
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Jason McIntyre
Am I wrong?
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Rachel Nichols
No, you're right. It does feel like we're a little far away. I feel like I have to wave or maybe shout a little louder.
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Jason McIntyre
For those watching, that may have been intentional.
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Rachel Nichols
Oh, shots fired on Monday.
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Jason McIntyre
So I will say this. We are. I'm not going to tell you why we're in a makeshift studio. It's amazing how good of a makeshift studio it was. They told me cold have a makeshift studio and I thought we were going to be in a broom closet. So I came up here this morning with very low hope. My optimism was at a low. Nothing against management, but I went up to a broom closet and I'm like, all right, it's going to be a rough four months. I can't believe how nice it is. In fact, you may want to cancel those plans and use that budget for something else because I am really comfortable up here. I am feeling great. Rachel Nichols Matt Hasselbeck is joining us today. Colin Right Colin Wrong. Don't forget the combine starts Thursday. Very interesting week in the NFL. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Colin Cowherd
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Dallas Goddard
Aprimolast yeah, being a football player with plaque plaque psoriasis can be challenging. My skin gets flaky and itchy so my doctor told me about a pill, otesla. It works from the inside out.
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Announcer
Otesla is a prescription medicine used to treat adult patients with plaque psoriasis for whom phototherapy or systemic therapy is appropriate. Otezla can help you get clearer skin after just four months. Dallas is an OTESLA patient that has been compensated for his time. Don't use OTESLA if you're allergic to it. Get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing or swallowing, swelling of the face, lips, tongue, throat or arms, severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, depression, suicidal thoughts or weight loss can happen. Tell your doctor if any of these occur and if you have a history of depression or suic thoughts.
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Dallas Goddard
Talking to my doctor about a pill was a total game changer.
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Jason McIntyre
If you're struggling with plaque psoriasis, talk to your doctor about Otesla. Visit otezla.com for more information or call 1-844-4-OTEZLA for prescribing info, info about cost.
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Rachel Nichols
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Jason McIntyre
So mostly when I take a vacation, I stay off social media. I get out of here. I've been doing this long enough there about six to eight weekends or six to eight weeks during the year that you should take off. They're slow. So you do the NFL, the Super bowl, long season. We ask a lot of our staff. Our staff doesn't take any dates off. We're working Friday, Saturday, Sunday. That's the way it is. So after the super bowl you talk about it for four or five days. Hopefully it didn't get stomach flu in New Orleans. I think everybody did, ourselves included. And then you take a week off and it's quiet. There was a little bit of noise and part of it is based on All Star Games. Let me say this, All Star Games used to feel really special. I'm old enough to remember when, you know, you got one baseball game of the week on Saturday and one on Monday and there wasn't interleague play. And I couldn't wait to watch the baseball All Star Game, which remains the jewel of All Star Games. But it doesn't feel as special. Okay, the Pro Bowl. I've said this for since I've been a broadcaster, unwatchable. And I love football, hockey, All Star Game so bad they gave up on it. Get to that in a second NBA All Star Game. The players make so much money now, they just don't care. And that's natural. Stuff you care about when you're not worth 150 million may matter more than stuff Once you are worth north of 250, 300 million. A lot of these stars, and I don't want to hear that NBA guys are bad guys because they love the Olympics. I'm currently watching something, a streaming service, watching something on USA Basketball and in Paris, and it's wonderful, and the players are like kids and they still care. But All Star Games are done. These guys want time off. You know these guys. The NBA just signed a $76 billion deal for 11 years. The owners are happy, the players are rich. Adam Silver's happy. The All Star Game's a shot weekend. Nobody cares. The stars would rather have it off. The fact that they even show up is laudable, but it's bad. And they're trying to tweak it and just leave it alone and let it be and let the young guys shine. It's just a different time in the NBA. But hockey, to its credit, and that's the sport that, frankly, it's big in Canada. We don't watch it here a lot. Even the Stanley Cup Final, we just don't watch it. So hockey's like, our All Star Game is brutal. So they went and did something called four nations. Finland, Sweden, Canada, usa. We're going to face each other in a tournament. It was fantastic. You couldn't turn it off. It was unbelievable. And it was a convergence of many things. It got 10 million viewers for USA Canada. It was Trump poking Canada. It was Trudeau poking back. It's USA versus Canada. I've never thought of us as rivals in the Olympics. I always root for Canada. I go to Canada every other summer. I love Canada, okay? Most Americans I know love Canada. If not, we love their Molson. Like, they're nice people, but, you know, we got a little rivalry tariff talk. So that's part of it. The fights are part of it. Canada booing us at our anthem is part of it. And it just made for an unbelievable week of hockey that you could not turn off. I thought it was fantastic. And you can nitpick some stuff about it. Let's not. Let's enjoy it. But not everything becomes something greater. Tim Tebow in Denver. You can't recreate it. Lynn's sanity, St. Peter's in March Madness. The Wildcat offense. You know, we spend so much time instead of just loving the moment and going, damn, this is good. Just love the moment. Years ago, I used to cover boxing. You'd get about one fight every two or three years. That was magic. And they'd always have a rematch, and the rematch was never as good. And generally the sequel in movie making is never as good. And I just thought this was wonderful. It was a convergence of format and timing. And we were underdogs and we were booed and you couldn't turn it off. You make Americans underdogs and you get into fights with them and you challenge us. We've got a healthy enough ego and pride. We're going to fight back. So I thought it was wonderful. I give the NHL a ton of credit for saying, listen, our All Star Game is different. We're not going to tweak it, we're going to blow it up. We're just going to do something completely different. And I think that's great. And Gary Bettman gets a lot of crap. It is hard to sell hockey in America. Canada does not have our labyrinth. Labyrinth of college and university sports. They don't have a March Madness like us. I mean, high school sports are big in America. College sports, you know, Division 2 sports. We are just wildly distracted. It is hard to sandwich in Canada's favorite sport and say, everybody watch it. We don't. This. We watched. It's just for a moment due to several factors. Remarkable television. And I loved every bit of it. But it's not going to mean anything. We're not going to. Now, a lot of hockey games play this weekend and Americans didn't watch. Just enjoy it. Not everything needs a sequel. Now, you may do this on an, you know, listen, Italy's got the Olympics in 2026. It'll get feisty again. We may, in this country love hockey very situationally. Olympics, this tournament. This may be when we love it. And that's okay. What we don't love about the NBA is All Star Weekend. And it's very clear the players don't like it. Draymond Green was complaining about it. Here's a clip of that. I had to work so hard to play on Sunday night of All Star Weekend. And because ratings are down, because the game's bad, we're bringing in rising stars. That's not a fix. I never played in the Rising Stars game. My first two years. I didn't touch that game. And these guys get to touch the All Star floor. Yeah, if I was the NBA, I'd leave it alone. I'm serious. Just like, it's not going to be a big deal. I'd let the young guys take over. There's tons of young guys. I think the. The NBA is listening to their critics and they're trying to tweak it and fix it. Just let it be. Nobody really cares. The football season's over. It's a boring week or two of sports. We're all waiting for the combine and NFL free agency and March Madness. Okay, here's another thing. Now, some things, speaking of, you don't need to fix it, so you. You have to be careful. I tell young broadcasters this whenever I speak to a college class. One of the first things I say is, just don't listen to the noise. Trust your instincts, work hard, keep your head down. Don't stay off your phone. Just that stuff. I'm old enough now. I don't care. But when you're in your 20s and 30s, sometimes I watch these leagues and. And they're listening to critics. Don't worry about critics. I mean, the NBA just signed a mega deal. Who cares what critics say? Owners happy, players happy. Adam Silver happy. Now, NBC may have reached and overbid. That's my feeling. They won't be happy, but everybody else will be. But here's something that the NBA, which is the great tweak league, and I've always had respect for the NFL. NFL is the great tweak league. They are constantly tweaking stuff. I've seen them change the catch rule in a Super Bowl. So this year, they tweaked the kickoff, and they had two concerns. Too many concussions during the kickoff. This had been like a decade concern, and there weren't enough returns, too many touchbacks. So they tweaked it, and people didn't like it. And I said at the time, take a deep breath. You know, nobody likes change. Just take a deep breath. I think it'll be okay when the season's over. Well, the numbers are in. And there's a story this morning. They want to tweak it again. And my take is don't. So the number one concern was concussions. Right? Concussions this past year were down 17%. Historic NFL low. So it worked. Okay, let's talk about kickoff returns. Oh, let's look. Oh. Kickoff returns rose 53%. In fact, there were more 40 plus yard kickoff returns than in any year since 2016. So there were two objectives with this kickoff rule. I know it looked weird. A lot of stuff looks weird until you get used to it. They wanted fewer concussions. Check. They wanted more kick returns, especially big ones. Check. Do a Vegas dealer move, you're done. It worked. It's over. And. And I said, Day one, we all struggle. I've used this stat before. 40% of Americans never move away from their zip code. People don't like change. Like right now in the White House, people are freaking out. There's a lot of change, a lot of it good. Maybe some not. But people just don't like change. They don't like it. People don't like to move. They don't like to move out of their comfort zone. So the, the NFL kickoff room, aesthetically, it was weird looking. It was like, okay, they can't move until they grab it. It's weird. They did that for concussions. So the numbers are out. They both worked. And we had more big returns. We had more returns by almost over 50% and concussions were down. And that's exactly. And I'll give the NFL credit. It's easy to make changes when you're bad. I always said Tiger Woods, Tiger woods changed clubs when he was the number one golfer in the world. That takes courage. Okay? Oprah Winfrey changed formats when she was the number one daytime talk show host. That's courage. The NFL is number one by a mile. And they're constantly tweaking. Total respect for that. But the kickoff thing, it worked. You got it right. Okay, I want to go back to the Matt Stafford talk with the Giants because Albert Brear, not on the show today, but somebody we respect a lot talked about this. So this, this Stafford has a bad contract right now, and he's made a lot of money, but he's not happy with it. And they've kind of put a band aid on it in the last year, but Stafford, now this stuff gets out because Stafford and his people want it out. They're unhappy. And so Albert Breyer says the Giants, the Browns and the Steelers and the Raiders have all shown interest. Well, my take is you could put a caution tape around those four franchises. Offensively, those are bad. Danger, stay away. The Rams have two big advantages with Stafford here. Number one, they're really well run. How many NFL franchises, if I ask you today, are really well run? Baltimore, Kansas City, Philadelphia Rams, Niners. It's not that many. And how many of the well run franchises are also well coached? Then it gets down to about six, and the Rams are one of them. So sometimes your greatest leverage as a company is we've got our act together. Steelers offensively don't, Giants don't. Raiders don't. They're running through people. The Browns don't. So in this, you think to yourself, ah, Stafford's got leverage. No, Stafford's talented and he's great. And he'd be crazy to leave, but he spent 12 years in Detroit. Okay, that stuff doesn't leave you. Like they always, therapists always tell you what, what happened to you at nine will stick with you for life. Even if you go to therapy. If you're in a bad 12 year relationship in the NFL with your organization, that stuff doesn't leave. I mean Aaron Rodgers right now had a great relationship. Why? Stafford was with the Lions, he was with the Packers. Aaron goes to the jets for two years, he's like, oh, you don't think he'd be interested in the Rams? Like I, I've been with a bad franchise, there's no fun. So to me, Stafford would be nuts to leave. I think if the Rams went, listen, we're going to give you $40 million. Two year deal, 80 million total. 40 million, two years. Call today, you'll be 40, it's over. I would take that in a second. Stafford won a third year. Probably not going to give it to him. It's a much better college quarterback draft class. And also Aaron Rodgers out there for a year or two. But when I look at the teams that are out there, my take is, Matt, you've made a lot of money. You've made $360 million. If, if you sign 40 million for two years, you end up making close to 450 million and you get a Super Bowl. And I'm serious here, Rams for the next two years with Stafford are in the super bowl bubble. And I'm not sure how far they are off. You go to that game against Philadelphia, more yards, more first downs. They held Jalen Hurts to about 65 yards passing. Remember that big completion J. Mack down the right sideline to Puka. We were sitting there going, wait a minute, are they going to steal this game? They haven't even played well. I mean they hadn't even played well and they were driving down the field. A dome team essentially so far, you know, semi dome, they were driving for the win. And that, that D line which destroyed the commanders and the chief's front, that after that completion right there, you're like holy crap, they're down to the 15 yard line. So for Stafford to leave that I think would be a huge, huge mistake. And I know J. Mac J. Mack's theory is always strike when the iron is hot. But what if the iron is the Steelers, Giants, Raiders, Brown, that's, that's not a hot iron.
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Rachel Nichols
Well, let's look at the, have you looked at the Rams free agency situation? It sounds like both tackles may need to be replaced. For the Rams, that's not ideal. They don't have a second round pick, I believe because they had to move up for the kid from fsu.
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Jason McIntyre
Haven Stein is getting old but is still a top five right tackle.
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Rachel Nichols
It sounds like Jackson's gonna command a lot of money on the market. Rams may lose him. So now all of a sudden Stafford's looking around like, damn, my tackle situation's uncertain. After Puka Koopa's Cooper's gonna be gone. I think two two outwell's a free agent. I think Robinson's gonna be looking elsewhere as a free agent. And now you're like, oh, geez, we got a lot of holes on this team. You're going to need to pay me.
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Jason McIntyre
So we're back. Their first pick is going to be a left tackle, which will free up money they would have to spend on their left tackle for Matt Tyler, Higby, Puka, Nakua. They're going to draft a receiver, I think with one of their third round picks, wide receiver. It's not a terribly deep wide receiver class like previous years, but it's good enough. I'm going to say. Mcvan the Rams will score points with or without staff from next year. Colin Right calling Wrong next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
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Dallas Goddard
Aprimolast yeah, being a football player with plaque psoriasis can be challenging. My skin gets flaky and itchy, so my doctor told me about a pill, otla. It works from the inside out.
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Announcer
OTESLA is a prescription medicine used to treat adult patients with plaque psoriasis for whom phototherapy or systemic therapy is appropriate. Otezla can help you get clearer skin after just four months. Dallas is an OTLA patient that has been compens for his time. Don't use OTESLA if you're allergic to it. Get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing or swallowing, swelling of the face, lips, tongue, throat or arms, severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, depression, suicidal thoughts or weight loss can happen. Tell your doctor if any of these occur and if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts.
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Dallas Goddard
Talking to my doctor about a pill was a total game changer.
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Jason McIntyre
If you're struggling with plaque psoriasis, talk to your doctor about Otesla. Visit Otesla.com for more information or call 1-844-4-OTEZLA for prescribing info. Info about all right, first hour down in our new digs. Second hour rolling. J Mac's trying to get comfortable out there on an island he just spent his vacation on an island. He doesn't like this island. You know what? They gave us J. Mac. And they never did this in the old studio. Battlescar Galactica Gigantic. There was no snacks. So you and I had a couple food strikes where we feel like we were just not being taken care of. So we come upstairs. Have you seen the pantry?
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Rachel Nichols
Do you want me to hold up on the screen?
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Jason McIntyre
What?
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Rachel Nichols
I just.
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Jason McIntyre
It's incredible.
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Rachel Nichols
Gummy Bears, maybe.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, I have gone through like 12 Sour Patch Kids and we're only an hour two in a Monday. Yeah. So Matt Hasselback is going to be joining us. A lot of different stuff to talk about. We do it every Monday at this time, football or not. Colin right, Colin wrong. And here we go, where Colin was right. Well, I said once they got Luka, it would take a while to figure it out. And they won't be great defensively, but either is Denver in the West. But the Lakers will be a Western Conference Conference finals participant. They blew out Denver in Denver. Luka now, not LeBron. For the first time ever, Luka's the quarterback and the initiator of the offense and LeBron's more the tight end or wide receiver. And I think at this point that's the best way to do it. J.J. redick deserves a lot of credit. He's saying the quiet part out loud. Luka's gonna lead the offense, allowing Austin Reaves and LeBron to be great off ball. This is how it should work. And J.J. redick, the new guys come in. I said this, this franchise now is Luka and J.J. redicks. That's not a shot at LeBron. But this game against Denver is what the offense should look like going forward. Where Collin was raw. There's a story today that the Vikings are considering re signing Sam Darnold. And I'm a little confused by this. Not the franchise test, which would pay him a lot. So that tells me J.J. mcCarthy's injury. There's still some concerns. Now Daniel Jones is there, but a free agent. Listen, I'm. I'm not one of these. Sam had a great year. 35 touchdown, 12 picks. Is it a lightning in a bottle moment? A little bit. But I think Sam's in his prime. He's coachable, he moves, he's got a good arm. And I think Minnesota is really well coached. But I will be honest, I thought he was moving off. I thought Sam would have a market. I'd be surprised if the Raiders don't make a real run in him. So Darnold according to a story Vikings open to a contract where Colin was right I said this before I left. Keep your eyes on Aaron Rodgers if Stafford leaves to the Rams and Pro Football Talk is quoting a general manager anonymous GM saying yep, it's being discussed. One of the reasons Stafford and the Rams are gonna discuss a new deal at the combine starting Thursday and going through the weekend I'm told. But Aaron doesn't want a long term deal. He's been humbled a little in New York and also after playing in well run Green Bay he probably misses a really top to bottom well run organization. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but I'm not surprised that Aaron who I actually think with a staff at the end of last year for the jets that was sub off I thought Aaron was pretty good down the stretch. Story today Rams are looking where Colin was wrong. Well, they got Josh Hart finally back after 11 days off. But they got I thought the Knicks were going to be a very good team, better offensively with Karl Anthony Towns and very good, at least as good defensively. They're not. They're bad defensively. Now they're getting Robinson back and Josh Hart came back. But Boston and Cleveland attack Carl Anthony Towns and there is nothing they can do about it. Again, I thought a lot of their defense would be solved by Mikhail Bridges, a very athletic wing. They cannot defend the three. In fact I think they're last in the NBA at defending the three. So of all the Knicks problems, I thought they were going to be a better offensive team than last year. Still great defense. They are struggling on the defensive end where Collin was right. Never really understood the fascination with Joel Embiid right now. They've lost seven straight with Joel Embiid. He got benched yesterday. Listen, I know he's talented and I know he's worth something, but they chose Embiid is the good guy and Jimmy Butler is the bad guy and all Butler does is win. Now with the warriors and then with the Miami Heat, I don't understand his game. He's shooting more threes than ever and he's bad at it shooting 29%. He didn't work in the Olympics with other star players. So I've never been a huge Embiid fan. He was gifted an MVP a couple of years ago because people didn't think it was fair that Jokic won three straight. Now you're seeing the result of that huge contract. Bad news for the Sixers where Colin was wrong. T. Higgins looks like he could stay in Cincinnati stories today. They are considering strongly a franchise tag now that would probably overpay him for the short term, but my takeaway is outside of Burrow and Jamar Chase, who are you paying? You got one edge rusher. If Philadelphia can pay everybody, including Dom, they should be able to pay Burrow, Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. He's a really good player. He's durable. He's got a catching radius. I mean, he can take a hit. He can block a little. I'm surprised Cincinnati would open up the wallet here where Colin was right we were huge proponents of Jimmy Butler to the warriors, and they're 51 since he arrived. They didn't have a consistent number two score. More than that, though, Butler gets to the free throw line and the warriors were bottom of the league in that category since he arrived. They're top one and two in the league in free throws attempted and free throws made. He's feisty. He is not a naturally gifted offensive score, but he works for it. He forces you to guard him and defend him every time down the floor and he's the kind of guy that will challenge teammates, his staff and I just think they needed to be more interesting. And he delivered where Colin was right? Tebow Samuel the Niners have told him you have permission to look for a trading partner. I had said last year I thought he was the odd man out. Kittle still playing at an elevated level. Brandon Iuk is there down the field, deep threat. They've got to play. Brock Purdy. They drafted two receivers, Pierce all late first round. Looks like he can fill that role. Debo is a really, really good chess piece and Kyle Shanahan is does wonders with those. I'm not sure if he's the same player if he gets a defensive head coach or a staff that doesn't quite understand his value doing many things besides wide receiver, but he felt like the odd man out to me during this season and the stories now San Francisco willing to move Colin right? Colin wrong. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Colin Cowherd
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Jason McIntyre
T Mobile to help keep you connected from big cities to small towns on America's largest 5G network. Switch the T Mobile keep your phone and they'll pay it off up to 800 bucks per line via prepaid card. Learn more@t mobile.com Keep and switch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device credit service port in 90 plus days with device and eligible carrier and timely redemption. Required card has no cash access and expires in six months. Banking with Capital One helps you keep more money in your wallet with no fees or minimums on checking accounts and no overdraft fees. Just ask the Capital One bank guy. It's pretty much all he talks about in a good way. He'd also tell you that this podcast is his favorite podcast too. Oh really? Thanks Capital One Bank Guy. What's in your wallet? Terms apply. See CapitalOne.com Bank Capital One NA Member FDIC Last week was our first playoff game and my plaque psoriasis was so itchy under all my gear, sometimes just thinking about scratching could take me out of the moment. And then my doctor told me I could get clearer skin with a pill called Otezla. Otezla Epremilast is a prescription medicine used to treat adult patients with plaque psoriasis for whom phototherapy or systemic therapy is appropriate. OTLA can help you get clearer skin after just four months. Okay, ready for the next game? Talking to my doctor about a pill was a total game changer. Don't use OTLA if you're allergic to it. Get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing or swallowing, swelling of the face, lips, tongue, throat or arms, severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, depression, suicidal thoughts or weight loss can happen. Tell your doctor if any of these occur and if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts. BOX LIVE IN A moment Ask your doctor about Otesla. Call 1-844-4-O Tesla or visit otesla.com for prescribing info, info about cost and more okay, so I I said my lead today on the show was for years there's been J.J. redick said the quiet part outside, which is for years and years we've sort of known like eventually LeBron needs to play off ball, but like in Cleveland, he relegated Kyrie to a two guard and Kyrie didn't like it right and it, it worked. But I kind of now understand Kyrie is so. There's so much dexterity to his game. He's like, I'm. I'm not going to be a shooting guard. D. Wade not as naturally gifted as Kyrie sort of went, yeah. So Luca shows up and JJ says no, that that's his offense. Are you shocked it was said out loud?
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Matt Hasselbeck
No, I think that it was done in a way that everybody knew what was happening. They waited a few games. Right. It was like, oh, Lucas, he's not quite fitting in with the Lakers yet. Or oh, it's conditioning isn't quite there. It was partly because of the way they were playing.
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Jason McIntyre
Right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
But they have to give deference to LeBron. It's his team. They have to sort of show that at the beginning. And we've seen this with the NBA. Coaches do this kind of thing all the time. If they know they're going to move sort of big name vet to the bench, they'll let that guy play a couple games as a starter for that season and be like, maybe it makes sense to move it to the bench. Even though they knew that summer all along that's what they were going to do. Yeah, I think that was the plan here with Luka. And Frankly, I think LeBron has been looking for this. I think LeBron was hoping that Anthony Davis.
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Jason McIntyre
But Anthony's not a playmaker.
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Matt Hasselbeck
But he is not a playmaker in that way. He was never going to be able to do that. So the fact that he has a guy who can, frankly, except extend his career and extend him within games. We've seen so many games with LeBron, you can tell by the third or fourth quarter, especially defensively, he's starting to wear down. And Luka's just going to take some of that physical load off him in so many ways. And just the pounding he's going to get through the first few quarters.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, it's interesting. For the record, Anthony Davis is hurt. The Mavericks are actually playing well and I, Kyrie and Luca got along well. And I may have some misgivings about some of the stuff with Kyrie and disruptions. He is an all time offensive talent. If you talk to NBA players, they talk about Kyrie and like Kobe reverence, like you can't stop him either hand.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Sort of with that idea offensive.
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Jason McIntyre
And if he was four inches taller, he would win an NBA one on one contest. He's just, he's a little small to stop guys because he's that good. So tomorrow, Lakers play Dallas. Yeah. I saw a story where they won't let Luka jerseys in the building in Dallas. Are you surprised? The anger now Dallas is playing pretty well, so that that really has helped the situation. But are you surprised by the outrage of it?
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Rachel Nichols
No.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I mean, look, you know, this game tomorrow is going to be here in Los Angeles and the big question there is, is Nico Harrison going to sit visibly in the stands in a way that Luka can see him? Because that's really the back and forth that we expect possibly tomorrow. Because Luca, when he gets and you know, we've seen him start swearing at fans or kind of pick a guy out and play. But people are still so angry in Dallas that later this spring when Luca comes to Dallas, I am so fascinated at who they're going to root for. At that point, Dallas is going to really be trying to make a run into the playoffs. I don't know what's going to happen because none of this has simmered down. None of it. If you talk to people in Texas, they are just as angry as they were when this first happened.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, I still think Dallas has a really good team and when AD Comes back, they're going to be a handful. I really, I really believe if you think Kyrie is as gifted an offensive player as the sport has and that you. There's an argument if you think AD is the best defensive player in the league. I do. You can't tell me with all those other parts. Dallas is not a, is not a team capable of getting to the conference final.
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Matt Hasselbeck
It's just they're going to run out of time this year with the amount of time that AD is projected to miss and Lively is projected to miss. And it just seems like they're going to run out of time to be able to coalesce and make a run. And then you're really betting on next year or the year after that. And that bet is hedged against the next 10 years of Luka's career. So you have bet on this one or two year window that the Mavs are going to be the better team, but you are betting against that sometime in the next decade, Luka isn't going to make you look dumb and win a title. And I think there's a good chance Luka's going to win a title here in la.
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Jason McIntyre
So for years, Jimmy Butler listen, whenever there's a divorce, there's finger pointing, if not publicly, privately, it could be Brady Belichick. Doesn't matter if it's Aaron and the Packers. So Jimmy Butler wins Everywhere. He got the Bulls of the playoffs, the T Wolves of the playoffs, the Sixers, if not for a bounce, the Kawhi bounce. They finally get to a second round playoff series. So it's the best series they've ever had. Miami last four years, two finals and then he goes to Golden State and it's like, oh, now they get to the free throw line, you cover the league. So obviously he's too talented to just bounce around. Some of it's true that he can be a pain in the butt, but he's also a winning player, like inside the league. Why Miami? I understood he wanted big money and they're like, we're not going to do it. I get that. But what is his reputation in the league? Because he wins everywhere.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Everyone knows how good he is and that as you said, every single place he has been, he has worn out his welcome. Now what Golden State is banking on is this is the end. They've got the contract that he's going to have for the next couple years. He agreed to it. By the time that deal is done, he'll be 37 years old. So they are gearing, they're sort of betting on the fact that there won't be some big crazy blow up, acrimonious ending and that in the meantime he is giving Steps Curry an ending to his Golden State time that is competitive.
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Jason McIntyre
They're on the same timeline.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Interesting. And they're on the same timeline. And before it just with Clay gone, Steph was having to carry so much of the load and even before Clay left because he wasn't the player he used to be, now he's got another guy when he's off the court. If you look at the on, off minutes and Jimmy's on the court, he's making everyone better, even the bench players. And they just, they needed that shot in the arm so badly. And Steve, Steve Kerr said he gives us the swagger we haven't had.
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Jason McIntyre
That's right. Yeah. And, and I, I do think this is. I, I do think Steph Curry has been such an, a great states person for the league. Right, that's. And I don't believe this very often, but I do believe it. In Steph Curry's case. You kind of owed him one.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah. Oh, I, I think they felt they owed him one.
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Jason McIntyre
The warriors did.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, I think they absolutely did. Did because they have a real sense of honor about what he has brought to their organization, what he has done for them financially and otherwise. But I also think they knew they had this incredible Asset they could maximize. I mean, this guy's one of the most popular players on earth in any sport.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Matt Hasselbeck
So keep him winning. You will keep people coming into the building and buying his merch.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. So sometimes it's just a personnel reality. You watch the Chiefs and the Eagles. Philadelphia had too many good plays players. Right. And Kansas City couldn't block them. When I watched the Knicks, I'm like. Like the coach, I thought Mikhail Bridges, OG trade last year, they'd be a good defensive team getting better. One thing that has become clear is both Cleveland and Boston attack Cat, and they don't make. They go right after him. If the last two Boston Knick games, I've watched the first quarter of both, it is over. Do you think New York has misgivings about Karl Anthony Towns because he is a gifted offensive player?
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Matt Hasselbeck
I mean, if they are, they just weren't very intelligent about what they were getting. And I don't believe that that's a smart front office. They know he's not a defensive center. I mean, we all know that. That's why Minnesota brought in Rudy Gobert. They knew what they were getting in Karl Anthony Towns. I think they hoped Mitchell Robinson would be healthier and back earlier than he has been. But also they thought they'd get better perimeter defense, which they haven't been getting. They have played so badly defensively for a Town Thibodeau team. It's shocking. Yeah, Colin, it is shocking.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, Josh Hart just came back. That'll help Robinson and Hart'll help.
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Matt Hasselbeck
He did, but he's been in and out. It's not like he's been just gone for the last couple months. I mean, they've had guys there, they've had injuries, but everyone has injuries. This has been just against the three. They're in the 29th or 30th in the league, depending on the day. And when you look against top 10 offenses, again, they are second to last in the league defensively.
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Jason McIntyre
That's crazy. That's crazy.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Is it hard?
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Jason McIntyre
Honestly? Was that. Was he better than we thought?
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Matt Hasselbeck
There's so many different ingredients that went into this. It's who they traded away. It's now having guys who are vulnerable, like, you can attack Carl Anthony Towns and frankly, you can attack Jalen Brunson because of his size. I mean, he's such a gritty player. He's been a marvel for them, but he can't grow. He only is who he is. And they thought they could shore up some of the other spots and it just hasn't happened.
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Jason McIntyre
How about, you know, I think Daryl Morey's a really smart guy, really smart guy. But when you put your arms around certain players and they put their arms around Embiid, and I've always said he's a. He's a. There are components to him that are. Shaq like. But he's an odd player for me. He shoot, he's on the perimeter, two off. He's 29% from the floor on threes, and he's shooting more of them that I know. He's gifted. I don't think he's a bad guy. But I said this earlier. Sometimes he's the big truck in the garage that it's broken down again and you can't get it out. Like, he's not available. Is Embiid gonna cost that front office work? I mean, this thing feels like Rachel, it's. It's gone over the edge.
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Matt Hasselbeck
We heard swelling again over the weekend, and they said they're gonna get new imaging on his knee and they're talking about surgery. If it were me, I would shut him down for the rest of the season. You're not salvaging anything. And frankly, your draft pick is top six protected. So if you land outside there, you're going to have to give up your draft pick. You want to keep that draft pick, especially considering how this season has gone. So I would shut him down. I would get him whatever surgery he needs. He came back too quickly last year after playing in a game where he got hurt in the very first place. This whole source of this injury, he never should have been playing in the first place, but he was being pressured to come back and play because of the 65 game rule and he was on his pace and all of this stuff. He never should have played in that game because he had missed the game before and he should never have come back as early as he did. He is a guy who physically, with the amount of height and weight and sort of the way he plays, I don't think is ever going to be an 80 game player. I mean, we've seen that. And I think if they treat him going forward, if they can get him healthy after this season and treat him going forward as, hey, this guy's going to play 60 games for us. That's just how it's going to be. I think they have a chance of being able to reset here with him and Paul George, but I would. I would shut down things for the season because Paul hasn't been healthy either.
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Jason McIntyre
Colin Carrot here with pro tight end Dallas Goddard to share his journey with plaque psoriasis and how he tackles his symptoms with otesla.
- [56:26]
Dallas Goddard
A Primalast yeah, being a football player with plaque psoriasis can be challenging. My skin gets flaky and itchy, so my doctor told me about a pill O Tesla. It works from the inside out.
- [56:36]
Announcer
O Tesla is a prescription medicine used to treat adult patients with plaque psoriasis for whom phototherapy or systemic therapy is appropriate. Otezla can help you get clearer skin after just four months. Dallas is an OTESLA patient that has been compensated for his time. Don't use OTESLA if you're allergic to it. Get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing or swallowing, swelling of the face, lips, tongue, throat or arms, severe diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, depression, suicidal thoughts or weight loss can happen. Tell your doctor if any of these occur and if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts.
- [57:01]
Dallas Goddard
Talking to my doctor about a pill was a total game changer.
- [57:04]
Jason McIntyre
If you're struggling with plaque psoriasis, talk to your doctor about OT. Visit otezla.com for more information or call 1-844-4-OTEZLA for prescribing info, info about cost and more. I'm Mark Seal. And I'm Nathan King. This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli. The five families did not want us to shoot that picture. This podcast is based on my co host Mark Seals best selling book of the same title. Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others. Yes, that was a real horse's head. Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This past season on my podcast, here's the thing. I spoke with more actors, musicians, policymakers and so many other fascinating people like writer and actor Dan Aykroyd. I love writing more than anything. You're left alone. You know, you do three hours in the morning, you write three hours in the afternoon. Go pick up a kid from school and write at night and after nine hours you come out with seven pages and then you're moving on. Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Mel Reid, LPTA Tour winner and six time Ladies European Tour winner and Kyra K. Dixon, NBC SP reporter and host. And we've got new podcast Quiet, please. With Mel and Kira, we are bringing you spicy takes on sports and pop culture. Some interviews with incredible people who have figured out how to make golf their superpower. And iheart Wins Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.