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Jonas Knox
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Hey and away we go on a Friday, it's the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. But no call it. It is levar Arrington and Jonas Knox sitting in for Colin and crew. You can hear lavar and myself alongside Brady Quinn weekday mornings on Fox sports radio on two pros and a cup of joe, 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 clock Pacific. But today we take you live all the way up until 3 Eastern Noon Pacific. If you are listening on the podcast, we appreciate you doing so. And we are off and running on this Friday. What up Sticks?
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LaVar Arrington
Hey, we're awake sir.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
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LaVar Arrington
Doing a show in the daylight.
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Jonas Knox
And man, you you rap bastards in your six to seven hours sleep a night. You guys got it good.
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LaVar Arrington
Real good.
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Jonas Knox
You got it good. No 1am Wake up call for us. Little bit of Traffic on the 101, 405, but we are rocking and rolling here and and ready to go. And since we are back in this chair and it's been a little while, it's appropriate we talk about somebody who is also back. Jason tatum, less than 10 months after suffering the Achilles tear in the playoff game against the New York Knicks, will be in the lineup for the Boston Celtics coming up later on tonight against the Dallas Mavericks. I know, lavar, you've dealt with the Achilles issue before. I'M kind of surprised that he's back this soon, but here we go with the return of Jason Tatum to an already really good Boston Celtics team who probably didn't expect they were going to be in this spot at this point in the year.
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LaVar Arrington
A really good Jalen Brown led Boston Celtics team, we should add. And listen, I look at it like this. The, the, the professional, even just any type of competition, right? College, pro, even high school, when you've established yourself as the guy, you're the franchise, things are handled a certain type of way you do things, a certain type of way you're treated a certain type of way. The respect factor is very different. When you get injured, there's a moment of truth, right? It either solidifies, further solidifies your efforts that you've put forth as a healthy player and how the team has been able to accomplish. And, and when that, that, that participation is gone due to an injury, it either shows, yep, Jason Tatum is the reason why we were able to win. We got a championship world title. We, we're set for, for the future. Right? You got a sidekick and, and Jalen Brown, but Jason Tatum is the guy. Jason Tatum goes down, but yet this team is second in the Eastern Conference. They're 70, what, 41, 41 and 21 on the season. And they're in great position to make a deep run in the NBA playoffs. It has emerged that Jaylen Brown could be in the conversation of being the, the new face and franchise player for this Celtics team. So now Jason Tatum is tasked with not only coming back and playing, but now he may be saddled with the pressure of coming back as quickly as he possibly can before you realize that the value of you being the franchise guy all but dissipates fully from the situation.
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Jonas Knox
It's a really interesting call by Boston, by Tatum, because if they weren't this good, I wonder if this is even a conversation because if you look at two other examples around the league, Damian Lillard and Tyrese Halliburton both tore their Achilles in the playoffs last year. There's not even a thought that they're going to come back because those two teams are awful. Okay? The highlight of the Blazers season thus far was a guy with the ruptured Achilles winning the three point contest.
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LaVar Arrington
Which by the way, he, he went back to the Blazers.
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Jonas Knox
Right.
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LaVar Arrington
Considering that he tore it somewhere else and they didn't need him there.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah. So, so the two highlights for the Blazers this year, not to, not to call out the Blazers fan base, but your two highlights are an Injured guy winning the three point contest and your coach involved in some poker scheme. Okay, so like you got card counters and three point shootout winners. You don't have a good team.
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LaVar Arrington
All right, maybe.
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Jonas Knox
Maybe a little bit better than expected. And then Indiana is awful, okay? Whatever happened last year in Indiana, they are the diaper fire of the East. They might finish with the worst record in the league. And so the Pacers and Blazers are like, hey, guys, take your time. Take this. Take your time. You know, we've got a legitimate excuse this year. We're terrible. All of a sudden, Boston starts out the year and it's like, whoa, nobody thought this was going to happen. There was. The feeling was, hey, man, it's a throwaway year. And it's not even just the Jason Tatum stuff. Al Horford, gone. Drew Holiday, gone. Kristoff's poor Zingis, gone. Those were all key members of the title team just a couple of years ago, but they were trying to get below the second apron, so they just said, hey, man, these are, these are salary cap casualties is what it is. This isn't our year. Our best player is gone. We'll just roll out. We'll try and compete as hard as we can. Maybe we'll sneak in and be a seven or an eight team. We'll be in the play in tournament, whatever.
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Dr. David Chao
But.
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Jonas Knox
But we're just going to roll this season and really going to focus on 20, 27. And then all of a sudden they're this through 60 plus games. And I just wonder, are you making this decision if not for the fact that this team's a legitimate title contender? Especially with Tatum back,
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LaVar Arrington
It's again, the points you make are accurate points. Right? The teams that you're discussing, they aren't competitive teams. You look at this Celtics team and where they were at and the conversations that were, were ensuing, that were taking place in real time, it was always Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Yep. And. And being in second place, Jason. Jason Tatum is not available all season long and Jalen Brown is, is averaging, what is it, 20, 29 points, 7 rebounds per game.
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Jonas Knox
And.
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LaVar Arrington
And they're atop the Eastern Eastern Conference. So there, there's second. Second place. If you're looking at where things go from here on out, does it go back to Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown or does it stay Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and insert Jason Tatum? That. I think that that is a very real conversation. I think the Celtics feel confident about where they're at outside of there being some really, really big names. Like SGA is in pole position to get MVP again. You're seeing what if. I don't know if y' all watched Wimby last night, but Wimby is balling, man.
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Jonas Knox
I saw him hanging out outside of a car dealership. There was some sale going on.
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LaVar Arrington
Wendy's foot is as long as this desk. His foot long as this desk. We're sitting at doing this.
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Jonas Knox
Him and Chad Holmgren should just go as wind puppets for Halloween the next 70 years. Just do that costume covered, cheap, inexpensive, throw some drapes on and let it. Let's call it a day.
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LaVar Arrington
Wemby takes two steps. His. His foot. The tip of his toe from getting a rebound is at mid court in two steps.
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Jonas Knox
Oh, yeah.
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LaVar Arrington
The tip of his toe is at mid court in two steps.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah, he doesn't have feet one skis.
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LaVar Arrington
They're talking about Michael Jordan and Dr. J doing dunks from. From the free throw line. Wimy's toe, he in his reach. He could probably move it back to, I don't know, mid court.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah.
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LaVar Arrington
We're gonna start seeing Wimy take off and he's gonna do the dunk contest. He's gonna take off from mid court and dunk the ball like that. Never seen before on his ass long, bro. And his foot's still going to be on the ground at mid court when. When he takes off. He just lost a super stretch. Outside of these high profile guys being up for the MVP, Jalen Brown's name is in the conversation for league MVP this year. Some have him as high as two. DeMarcus Cousins has gone on record says he's as high as the second best player in the NBA all the way up to six to eight, where his name falls in terms of best player mvp. But if we're being real, if we're being real, does Jaylen Brown have the same supporting cast that SGA does? Does he have the same supporting cast as what Wembanyama has? I would say no. You just mentioned some. Orford's gone. Jason Tatum hasn't been around there. There's. There's a different group of people. It's a new group of people this season for the Celtics, and yet they. They're playing at a high level, which would lead to the conversation of is he the most valuable player to his team? Maybe they're not the best team, but they're certainly up there with the best teams. So you can use the criteria that they have a really competitive team, a good team that's ranked high because you have to win for them to consider you a mvp. And now you see Jason Tatum sitting back watching like, I can't let the ship get too far. He's swimming, bro. It ain't Doc.
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Jonas Knox
Well, that's what I wonder.
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LaVar Arrington
Like, it's not boarding the ship. That ship has sailed. But can he catch it and can he board this ship and. And re. Establish himself for what it was that he once was before the injury?
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Jonas Knox
And that's what I wonder is, does he feel like. Like, if they were, you know, a 500 team, is he in any rush to get back? Nah, nah. Take your time. Take your time. Take your time. And I can understand the approach of, well, if you're doing this good without him, why would you even force the issue? But I wonder how much of this is him? How much of this is Tatum going, man, I want back in like I want. And that's why I asked, because you went through the Achilles. What does it.
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LaVar Arrington
I retired.
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Jonas Knox
Like, yeah, like, what does that look like?
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LaVar Arrington
That thing had a grown man in tears, bro. And I got a pretty high paying threshold. And I limped. I limped for like, two, three years after I got that surgery. Like, it was a very pain. I've been through some painful things. Was it emergency? Both, yeah. You know, both. Both a lean and a limp. You know, because when you.
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LaVar Arrington
Yeah, when you moving around with that hammer, sometimes you lean and sometimes you limp. But this one in particular was based off of me limping because my Achilles tendon was really tight. It was really sore, and it just felt like if you don't know what it feels like to injure a part as important as your Achilles, you realize it after. And I likened it to, like, air and attire. I didn't realize you could say, okay, air and attire for your feet and for your legs, but it really felt like the bounce and the reactiveness of my foot was gone. It was gone. Like. Like the movement of how you pop off of your toes and on your foot and. And that. That torque that goes through the bottom of your leg into your calf muscle and then shoots up into your quads and then back into the glutes was gone. It was gone. And. And so you have to figure out. Many have done it. I mean, it's very commonplace to come back from that type of injury and that typ. Have done it. But it is very difficult and it is time consuming. It's almost as time consuming, and it's almost. I mean, it's the biggest. I believe it's the biggest ligament in your body, your acl. I mean, your, your Achilles tendon. It's the biggest tendon in your body. And, and, and it's just. That's a difficult injury to come back from and be effective like you once were, let alone come back in an abbreviated amount of time to do so.
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Jonas Knox
We're going to catch up with Dr. David Chow coming up later on as soon as he gets done sparring Ryan Leaf at an octagon somewhere, whenever that gets. Gets figured out. But, but I bring that up because Reggie Miller was on the Dan Patrick show, which you can hear on many of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates. And he sort of explained, explained the reasoning why some feel that Tatum is also coming back sooner than a Tyrese Halliburton and a Dame Lillard. Let's take a listen.
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Dr. David Chao
The best thing, if there was, knock
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LaVar Arrington
on wood, the best thing when he tore his Achilles in game five, I
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Jonas Knox
believe in New York, that the doctor was right there, that they attached it right away. And the thinking was the body didn't
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LaVar Arrington
even know that it had that traumatic experience.
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Jonas Knox
That's how quickly. Within 24 hours, okay, they had the
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LaVar Arrington
surgery on the Achilles. So that's why he is so far
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Jonas Knox
ahead of schedule versus the Damian Lillard or Tyrese Halliburton is because they had
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LaVar Arrington
the surgery within 24 hours.
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Jonas Knox
You're not buying that?
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LaVar Arrington
You're not buying that?
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Jonas Knox
What?
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LaVar Arrington
Hell no.
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Jonas Knox
You're not a Reggie Miller, M.D. you're not going to buy his thought process there.
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LaVar Arrington
First of all, the body is, is way more intelligent than any doctor that will ever work on.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah. And looking at Jason Tatum after the injury, it sure seemed like his body knew what was going on. I'll be honest with you.
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LaVar Arrington
Like, don't give it time to know that it's torn. Like, like then just finish the game. Look like the guy going through the
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Jonas Knox
wood chipper on Fargo. How.
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LaVar Arrington
How much time is that that you have that has to.
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Jonas Knox
To.
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LaVar Arrington
To. To. To elapse before your body knew that that's your dad. You know, like, hey, theory. Hey, just give him some mouth to mouth before he realized that he died. You know,
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Jonas Knox
it's a theory.
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LaVar Arrington
I love Reggie Miller, but I'm, I'm not in on this one. I'm not. You heard dad like, oh, really?
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Dr. David Chao
Like, huh?
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LaVar Arrington
Like, cut. Go to break. Reggie is. He's officially lost it.
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Jonas Knox
And that's, you know, and he's passing the message on from whatever, you know, was said on the documentary. I just look, and people heal differently and people heal faster.
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LaVar Arrington
That is True. People heal differently.
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Jonas Knox
Adrian Peterson came back from that knee injury in, in what? And was like, there was no difference between when he came back from knee injury and when he didn't, other than, you know, not being able to keep his left hand up in a scuffle after a poker game. But that, again, we're not bringing up the old stuff, but so there's different. People heal differently. I understand that timelines can be a little different. It just feels like a lot of this was sped up because of how the team is done without him. If they were 500, if they were below 500, I don't think there's a shot in hell he could.
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LaVar Arrington
That would have been a better question to ask Reggie Miller. That would have been a better question. Like, did not happen with Clay and Steph Curry. Wasn't Klay Thompson the main dude? And then in some, some way, somehow, I don't know if injury was connected to it, but didn't Steph Curry, like, take the reins? Like, they, you know, like, became the main guy and it never changed, never turned back. He became the franchise guy. He became the, the face of the franchise legend, hall of Famer, goat. There's not going to be a better player that has ever played for the Golden State warriors, then. Golden State, Yeah, Golden State warriors, then Steph Curry. So I, I think this is a necessity move, whether that's the entirety of it. I, I, it, it doesn't have to be untrue that he wants to come back and he wants to play, of course. But if you're not going to add into the equation the amount of pressure mounting on Jason Tatum, looking at this Jaylen Brown led team. Like, imagine if Michael Jordan went out and was injured due to a ACL or Achilles tendon injury. And while he's out, Scotty Pippen is just going nuts.
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Jonas Knox
Look at, look at the Nick Foles, Carson Wentz stuff. Carson Wentz was never the same.
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LaVar Arrington
It was never the same.
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Jonas Knox
Like, he always.
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LaVar Arrington
He don't have a, he don't have a statue, and he was on that team.
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Jonas Knox
That knee injury that he suffered against the Rams at the Coliseum, which, by the way, is an outhouse, or at least it was back then. But that injury he suffered at the Coliseum, that changed the course of his career, because where is he?
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LaVar Arrington
Where's he now?
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Jonas Knox
I think he's in Minnesota.
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LaVar Arrington
Is he. He's still in the league.
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Jonas Knox
I think there it is. Because I think he always felt like, wow, I was on track to be an MVP and potentially a Super bowl champion. As a starter and maybe a Super bowl mvp. And instead my backup went in there and did it. He was, I don't think he ever got over that, bro.
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LaVar Arrington
They call the place went Sylvania. Yeah, there was a moment in time where they said went Sylvania. That's how well he was doing that season. You couldn't grow any more hype and excitement around the player. So you're 100% spot on in that, that, that reference. And need I say, Jalen Brown is a number one guy on 90% of the NBA team.
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Jonas Knox
And also, by the way, when they won their title, who was the MVP of those finals?
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LaVar Arrington
Jalen Brown.
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Jonas Knox
So, like, it's not, it's not as if, you know, this is a real surprise, but it does, it does bring up an interesting dynamic of, hey, man, what is that? What does that look like?
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LaVar Arrington
I'm the captain of this ship now, player. Hey, my ship.
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Jonas Knox
I'm the captain now.
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LaVar Arrington
I'm the captain now.
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Jonas Knox
It is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio. He's lavar Arrington. I'm Jonas Knox in for Colin. As we will have the Herdline news coming up later on. As mentioned earlier, Dr. David Chao is going to stop by. We're going to get his thoughts on the situation involving Jason Tate and some other stuff around, uh, the NFL as well, too, some injured stars, what their value really looks like on the trade market, so on and so forth. All of it is yours here on this three hour extravaganza. Up next, though, apparently a team has a plan in place when it comes to quarterback that you don't see a lot of these days. Find out what it is here on fsr. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am
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LaVar Arrington
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Jonas Knox
That's right.
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Jonas Knox
Another edition of the Head of the Herdline News in about 20 minutes from now. That'll be yours right here on FSR. But kind of interesting and fiery commentary from one Logan Paul, who he's, you know, not one to shy away from controversy, not one to shy away from maybe throwing his hands a little bit if need be. He's, you know, fought, done exhibition fights, Floyd Mayweather, Dylan Danis, et cetera, et cetera. Like he's been out there and thrown down. Currently a WWE superstar and he's very good at it, has been very successful in his transition over into that industry. But then this conversation turned to, you know, what would it like look like potentially against an NFL player had they thrown down or had he thrown down in against an NFL player at some point sometime soon. To which Logan Paul and his podcast impulsive had to say this.
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LaVar Arrington
What football players would straight up beat his ass?
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Jonas Knox
Not a single name. I would put. I would put any amount of money
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LaVar Arrington
that you could put Metcalf.
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Jonas Knox
Not a single football player beat me in a boxing match. Miles Gary, that is on God. Miles Garrett. I would throttle Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett. I will bet you a mil. Why did we choose him? It could be any name, but any football player. Miles Garrett. Puka Nakua. Like, I don't.
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LaVar Arrington
I don't even know. Don't even try calling out Sam Darnold.
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Jonas Knox
Sam Darnold.
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LaVar Arrington
No, don't do it.
- [30:04]
Jonas Knox
Doesn't matter.
- [30:06]
LaVar Arrington
A million dollars. A million dollars.
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Jonas Knox
You come to the gym, we put on boxing gloves, we see how it goes. So that from Logan Paul attacking your. Your co workers there.
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Dr. David Chao
Your.
- [30:21]
LaVar Arrington
As in, as in my co workers.
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Jonas Knox
Listen, I mean, he's. He's going right after the defensive side of the ball. He's not messing around with a punter or a kicker. He's going right at Miles Garrett. You're gonna let him talk to you guys like that?
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LaVar Arrington
Miles Garrett is the only, only bad mother effer he named out of all the. They said Sam Darnold.
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Jonas Knox
What about DK Metcalf?
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LaVar Arrington
Dk? I mean, he could be a real tough guy. It could be. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. If DK went up against a real tough guy, would he be still a tough guy? I'm not sure. He could really be a tooth chipper, though. Like, there are some tooth chippers out there in the Serengeti, and he didn't name any of them. Like, throw out James Harrison. You know, throw. Throw his name. Throw Aaron Donald in the mix. See if you can. And, and while Aaron Donald is. Is like more of martial arts. Hey, going to the, going to the Octagon. Let's make it mma. Let's not, let's not limit it to boxing. You do, you do WWF wrestling, wwe. Let's go to the Octagon with it. Like, go, like, let's go up in there with Panea Soul. Like, like, let's, let's do that. Go up in there with Max Crosby. Let's, let's ra Married. Like, let's go up in there with Michael Parsons. Or, or go up in there, like, name some guys. Name some guys. And by the way, Brandon Jacobs, one of my former teammates.
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Jonas Knox
Oh, he used to be a boxing promoter.
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LaVar Arrington
He boxes and, and he trains and he, he practices. Sean Merriman, he promotes, he, he boxes, he trains, he does a mixed martial arts Tamba Ali. He, he does. He. He's like, very close with the Gracie family and has done jiu jitsu for many, many, many years. So what this comes down to is it's, it's a new form of shock jock. You know, impact, right? These influencers, the Paul brothers, have done one of the most exceptional, brilliant jobs of playing the best villain roles in. In influencer, potentially history within the sports arena. And they are able to create these larger than life moments for boxing matches. And, and it works. It works. This is not. This is not real. This is not real in terms of the idea, the impact of going physically up and up with people. This is promoting. This is entertainment and they do an excellent job of doing so.
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Jonas Knox
Now, Le'Veon Bell, who's been in the
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LaVar Arrington
news recently, put his hands on him
- [33:11]
Jonas Knox
for stuff that's not great. Le'Veon Bell posted on social media, Stop ducking Logan Paul. Been trying to bro. Trying to fight an NFL player that's never fought before. Let's set it up. We all heard you say you can be any NFL player. We can fight in April. The NFL draft is in Pittsburgh. We can fight NFL draft weekend. Let's make it happen. To which Logan Paul responded, A, you're not in the NFL. B, you can actually fight. So I'd have to probably properly train, meaning I'd have to step away from wwe, which I won't do, especially not for you. See, there's no money here because you're not a draw. Prove me otherwise. And he said, of course you want the opportunity. I'm a gold mine for retirees like you say so.
- [33:52]
LaVar Arrington
But, but he's right. Unfortunately for Lamb Bell, it's, it's true
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Jonas Knox
that all that's fair. All that's.
- [33:59]
LaVar Arrington
People would go in Pittsburgh for draft if Le'Veon Bell was fighting Logan Paul. So he's wrong about that. It would be a drawing.
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Jonas Knox
Now, earlier today, Logan Paul posted on X. He said, My $1 million open bet to fight NFL players has caused an up. Here's the update. Nobody is willing to put a million dollars in escrow and be flown here to Puerto Rico, all expenses paid and boxed with three professional judges. They all want to formalize this with a streamer, venue, press conferences, etc. I. E. Get paid to fight, but not risk their own money. But I don't have time nor interest in that. I won't step away from WWE to coordinate and train for an event. But if any player wants to actually put up a million dollars in fight at my gym with official referees and judges, show yourselves. That includes you, Le'Veon Bell. Also, if they want no cameras, I'm down. So it looks like he's just looking for a fight. You know, he just wants.
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LaVar Arrington
He's not. He's looking for what he's getting and it's brilliant. You're getting national attention for doing it. Sean Merriman just proposed having boxing matches, fighting matches, mma, MMA matches on NFL Network. He just proposed this not too long ago, I'd be shocked if Logan Paul didn't catch on. And because those guys all run the same circles, I would be shocked if. If. If Logan Paul didn't hear Sean talking about it and beat him to the punch. In terms of getting national exposure for calling out football players, I think it would be interesting if there became a fight league where former players could actually fight and fight on NFL. NFL platforms. I think it would be a great idea. Some of these guys still want to compete. How do you compete? You're not going to compete in the game. You're not going to continue to be an active player. But guys still stay in shape, do a lot with their bodies, train, coach, do a lot of different things. Why not create an outlet for them to be able to. To. To still compete and it be monetized. Like, I. I think it would be a great idea. So I don't think this is about Logan Paul trying to. To really thump if, like I said, if a guy like Panaya Sewell put up a million bucks in escrow, which, by the way, a million bucks is a lot of money. It's a million bucks, but I'm putting up a million bucks to come fight you. Like, Like, I would want to make it a bigger deal. Like, I'm. If you want to just thump, let's thump. We don't have to put it out on social media. Have your people reach out to the people you want to. You want to fight. And y' all do. Y' all do a fight and see what happens of it. This is pure promotion. It's promotion.
- [36:47]
Jonas Knox
Yeah.
- [36:48]
LaVar Arrington
So to me, you got to take it at face value, see it as what it is. It is entertainment. Logan Paul. The Paul brothers are entertainers, and they're damn good at it.
- [36:59]
Jonas Knox
And.
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LaVar Arrington
And the added bonus are they actually are some tough mother lovers.
- [37:06]
Jonas Knox
Oh, great. Athletes.
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LaVar Arrington
They're not. It's not like these are, like, pushover dudes. These are actually. That's why I'm saying, don't bring up Sam Darnold. Don't. Don't bring up a quarterback. Don't do that.
- [37:17]
Jonas Knox
Oh, it's that supposed to mean?
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Dr. David Chao
Don't.
- [37:18]
LaVar Arrington
Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Bring him. He said Miles Garrett. Now, I will say that he did call out Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett would probably do what that dud did in the Indiana Jones Temple of Doom, like, reach into his chest, pull his heart out and.
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Dr. David Chao
And.
- [37:34]
LaVar Arrington
And. And. And then burn the heart and dude, just die right there. Boom. Standing up. Miles Garrett is a bad man.
- [37:40]
Jonas Knox
Yeah.
- [37:40]
LaVar Arrington
And that's one of the most freakish athletes that you would ever deal with in. In a person. But that's like you're. You're going for.
- [37:49]
Jonas Knox
You're going for effect based on, you know, based on, you know, recent news. Miles Garrett would probably rather do Daytona, you know, if we're being honest.
- [37:57]
LaVar Arrington
Well, he can draft better than a fight. I mean, he can draft.
- [38:01]
Jonas Knox
I'm just saying, like, the one thing the benefit is, if you schedule a fight with Miles Garrett, he's going to get there quick. We know that. He's got to make sure you be late, but rubber, baby. There's also. It's. It's this time of year and we're going to get to the summer months when, you know, the NFL is not in season, when all of this stuff sorts starts to happen, all of these influencer fights and all these, like, all of these things start to get discussed because I think everybody sort of recognizes that once NFL comes around, that's the focus of everybody. So, yeah, you've got, you know, like the World Baseball Classics on right now. You know, you've got. You've got this. There's just. There's like fun summer events that pop up, spring summer events that people are going to get excited and talk about. You know, When Mayweather fought McGregor, it was August. You know, like, it's just like this is the season time of year for this stuff to go off. And even if there is no fight, even if there's no fight between Logan Paul and Miles Garrett or an NFL. Yeah, it's in the conversation for a little while. Everybody's going to chime in. Football players are going to chime in. Look, Tom Brady sort of stoked the fire when he, you know, he called, you know, Logan Paul a. Or something along those lines, and he talked about WWE Superstars, and so you got WWE Superstars now talking about Tom Brady. So I ask you, this. WrestleMania is their big event, right?
- [39:27]
LaVar Arrington
Yeah.
- [39:28]
Jonas Knox
Guess where WrestleMania is again this year. Las Vegas.
- [39:31]
LaVar Arrington
In Vegas.
- [39:31]
Jonas Knox
Whereas Tom Brady had a lot in Vegas.
- [39:33]
LaVar Arrington
It's like Tom Brady doesn't. Tom Brady is. Is a. Is a promoter, too. Yeah, but Tom Brady ain't no fighter. No, but he hype it now. He can hype it, but could you
- [39:45]
Jonas Knox
not see him making an appearance? Could you not see him making an appearance at WrestleMania in Vegas? He owned. He's part owner of the team there. Like, why not?
- [39:52]
LaVar Arrington
This is what I'd say, though it does set up the stage for the conflict there. I mean, again, we're talking WrestleMania. So why not have Wrestling All Stars versus NFL All Stars or pro former All Stars, right? Why not set it up?
- [40:11]
Jonas Knox
Lawrence Taylor main evented a WrestleMania years ago against Bam Bam Bigelow. Like, and you had. Steve McMichael was there. And like, all of these wrestler. All of these NFL players are there in attendance. Like, we've. Gronk's been at WrestleMania before. We've seen all this stuff happened before.
- [40:28]
LaVar Arrington
It's like, I'm not talking. I'm not talking a show in terms of a show. I'm talking. I said Paneo Sewell because I watched him very closely this season. So his name keeps popping up in my head. You gotta get the nastiest dudes. Aaron Donald, James Harrison, guys like that and do wrestling. Like, let's. Let's do Jiu Jitsu. Like, let's. Let's Octagon it in the wwe. Let's get that. I want to see you go in there and not be afraid when Panaya Sewell comes walking up in there and you gotta lock up with him. That's what. Aaron Donald comes walking up in there, who's probably in better shape now and condition now than he was when he played. I want to see you step in there and it not be a show. You win or I win, somebody's walking out of here. Somebody ain't walking out alive, though.
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Jonas Knox
So you want grappling?
- [41:29]
LaVar Arrington
Yeah.
- [41:29]
Jonas Knox
Involved.
- [41:30]
LaVar Arrington
I just want. I want art. Art form. Wrestling is an art form. It's wrestling. Wrestling is a histor. Historically, wrestling was. Is. Is probably wrestling and, and which. If you know wrestling, that is an art form. It's. It's. It's different. Different disciplines.
- [41:48]
Jonas Knox
You talk professional or so I'm talking just wrestling.
- [41:52]
LaVar Arrington
So most. Most wrestlers from college end up transitioning into the ufc. Those are the guys. They learn the box.
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Jonas Knox
It's the oldest combat sport. Correct.
- [42:01]
LaVar Arrington
Like Roman Greco, all that stuff. I want to see that. You could come in with your. Your WWE uniform and everything. Like. But I want to see. I want to see, like, boxing. It's like, okay, that's. It's a different art form. It's a different discipline. And, and it's. It's just a little different. Let's go full out. You're a wrestler. You say you train for your shows with the wwe. Let's get a WWE versus NFL Legends.
- [42:33]
Jonas Knox
Yeah, maybe.
- [42:34]
LaVar Arrington
Let's. That's. That's the. That's the one. I'm telling you.
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Dr. David Chao
Get.
- [42:39]
LaVar Arrington
Get guys like, Like I like I mentioned early get Tomba Ali, get a. Like if you were to get up, if you were to get current players I mentioned to nail.
- [42:48]
Jonas Knox
But basically the NFLPA should just send out a memo and be like anybody Samoan, I mean anybody Tongan.
- [42:58]
LaVar Arrington
They are some, come on. They are some tough dudes, man.
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Jonas Knox
The best.
- [43:04]
LaVar Arrington
They are some tough dudes. But I'm just telling you it is not limited to that. It is not. There are some tough dudes that have played in this, this league, man, and they freaks, like straight up physical athletic freaks. That tongue it. They throw that. They hit you with that tea, you know that.
- [43:27]
Jonas Knox
Who's the guy from the Texans? Tui, Tommy Togi. Oh man, he's the best.
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LaVar Arrington
He's the best.
- [43:34]
Jonas Knox
He throws up the tongue and tea.
- [43:35]
LaVar Arrington
That means they did something.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah.
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LaVar Arrington
Let him come walking in that octagon with, with Logan Paul and he hit him with that tea and started doing that. I want to see, I want to see you be turned up and talk about your million bucks when that happens.
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Jonas Knox
What was the, the final game of the season? That guy from the Texans scored a touchdown. He scored. He scored a touchdown.
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LaVar Arrington
Parts of that.
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Jonas Knox
Was it like a God. I think they. They put him as a tackle eligible and they didn't get the ball to him, but he ended up scoring a touchdown on like a blocked field goal or there. There was some play that happened in the tight and as he's celebrating on the field, d' Amico Ryan's was running out there doing the tea too. The tong and tea. Because you want to do it. Oh my God.
- [44:21]
LaVar Arrington
But he ain't tonguing.
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Jonas Knox
Oh, but you want to do it?
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LaVar Arrington
I want to be a part of that.
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Jonas Knox
Hey man, like one of the great all time stories of a, of a teammate fight was Olin Cruz and Fred Miller back in the day when they were. They were at a shooting range and
- [44:38]
LaVar Arrington
Olin Kreutz, that's a bad place to have a fight.
- [44:40]
Jonas Knox
Breakout Fred Miller, I guess broke a dumbbell on Olin Kreutzer's head. He smashed him in the head with the dumbbell. Olin Crews had to get stitches, but Olin Cruz broke Fred Miller's jaw like just beat his ass. And apparently, you know, they were just had maybe gone out and had a couple and. But they were fine. They finished the season together. But Fred Miller had to get his job broken. Fred Miller was a big guy, like a really big guy. And then you come to find out, oh, Olin Cruz. Where is he from?
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LaVar Arrington
Played against Cruz?
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Jonas Knox
Oh, Honolulu Tough Honolulu St. Louis High School. What a shock.
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LaVar Arrington
All I'm saying is it's all fine and good to talk all that mess about what you do to any football player and all this old mess that Logan Paul is saying. But there's promoting and then there's real, you know.
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Jonas Knox
You know, they tell you if you
- [45:26]
LaVar Arrington
see you get some of them real ones up in there, that's a whole, whole different game.
- [45:31]
Jonas Knox
Little piece of advice. You know how they tell you if you see somebody with cauliflower ear, don't mess with them. If somebody says to you, hey brother,
- [45:38]
LaVar Arrington
just back away, back away slow.
- [45:41]
Jonas Knox
Just back away or give them a hug, Buy him a drink.
- [45:45]
LaVar Arrington
Give them a hug, man. Hey brother.
- [45:47]
Jonas Knox
If you hear, hey brother, aloha Friday, nope. You gotta go, man. All right, so we'll keep you posted,
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LaVar Arrington
you hear? Get run.
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Jonas Knox
Oh, you man.
- [45:59]
LaVar Arrington
Grab your. Drop your ass and run.
- [46:01]
Dr. David Chao
I love them.
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Jonas Knox
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- [46:32]
LaVar Arrington
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Jonas Knox
It's a herd on Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for calling. Coming up in about 20 minutes from now, you're going to hear one of the great post game press conferences in recent memory. All right, that'll be yours here. Coming up again 20 minutes from now here on Fox Sports Radio. You can also listen to the show on the iHeartRadio app. And with the iHeartRadio app, you can stream us wherever you happen to be. Catch us in all of our Fox sports radio shows live 24. Seven in the new and improved iHeartradio after search. Fox Sports Radio and the after stream is live all day every day. And be sure to select Fox Sports Radio as one of your presets in the iHeart app so it will always pop up at the top of your screen. Dr. David Chao, who we saw Radio Row in the super bowl or at the super bowl in San Francisco moments after he had Ryan Leaf in a Darce choke, I believe, based on. Based on the reports. But all, all kidding aside, Dr. Chow, happy to have you with us. How are things?
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Dr. David Chao
I'm doing great. Look at you guys. Big time here.
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Jonas Knox
Yeah, we are big time. So let me ask you, you obviously were the physician, team physician in the NFL for almost two decades. You've been around this stuff for years and years and years. When you see Jason Tatum return this quickly, yet somebody like a Dame Lillard and a Tyrese Halliburton, there's not even a thought they'd come back this year. How much of this do you think was sped up based on the fact that the Celtics have a chance to win a title?
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Dr. David Chao
Well, return to play is always multifactorial. Not every injury is the same, not every recovery is the same, not every rehab is the same, and not every situation is the same. This is a nice, quick recovery for Jayson Tatum. Hats off to him. But it's also not the quickest one in NBA history. I mean, Wesley Matthews, Kobe Bryant, Rudy Gay, Dominique Wilkins, Chauncey Billups all came back a little bit quicker than Jayson Tatum. Of course, we all look at the longer return for Kevin Durant, who did return to 100%, and we say this is nice, quick return. And you mentioned some other guys, but return to play doesn't mean someone is 100%. And as great as Tatum has done, I doubt he's Jason Tatum at 100% when he comes back to play tonight. I think it's spot play. Working himself in with the Celtics, who have a very good team, playoff bound, figuring out what his role is and get acclimated ahead of the playoffs. But still, kudos to him for all the hard work that he is engendered.
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LaVar Arrington
All right, so we talked a, a few, a lot, I guess some, some different topics at the Super Bowl. But one of the things was the, the Max Crosby conversation and, and you know, the concerns about what he may or may not have going on. But what is the. The. Do you have a latest update on Max Crosby's health? Was this more a shutting him down based off of where the team was, or was it based off of really protecting him and, and what would perceive to be, you know, a sore knee?
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Dr. David Chao
Look, I'm not inside the building in terms of rumors and what's going on. Look at Mike Silver, Jay Glaziers, others reporting the possible trade and that he's done. But from a medical perspective, I think the narrative that we had in December that the Raiders were Tanking. They were shutting Max Crosby down against Will is really not correct. They were shutting him down for his own good. It turns out it was a meniscus repair, not a trim. Meniscus trim is a much smaller surgery, quicker recovery. Meniscus repair is much longer as a matter of fact. Obviously I haven't examined Max Crosby, but I would imagine technically he does not pass a physical today because it's only March, it's only three months from the meniscus repair. Meniscus repair recoveries are minimum four to six months. And so that may be what is complicating a potential trade. Not just the asking price, but he has to pass the physical and no trade is consummated or final until the physical is passed. If he's wanting to get traded, certainly he could share his electronic or other medical records so a team could project him to be healthy. But as of today, I don't think he passes a physical. And maybe there is a role in that in terms of teams not pulling the trigger or perhaps not not beating the asking Price yet.
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Jonas Knox
Dr. David Chow joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for the Herd. Let me ask you one thing because we were kind of kicking this around just to go back quickly on the Jason Tatum stuff. Reggie Miller spoke on the Dan Patrick show and was mentioning that, you know, based on the, the documentary and sort of, sort of how things, timeline wise, happen. Listen to Reggie Miller's explanation as to what he saw in watching the Tatum documentary as to why he's back this week. Quickly. The best thing, if there was, knock
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LaVar Arrington
on wood, the best thing when he
- [51:44]
Jonas Knox
tore his Achilles in game five, I believe in New York, that the doctor was right there, that they attached it
- [51:52]
LaVar Arrington
right away and the thinking was the
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Jonas Knox
body didn't even know that it had that traumatic experience. That's how quickly, within 24 hours they
- [52:01]
LaVar Arrington
had the surgery on the Achilles. So that's why he is so far
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Jonas Knox
ahead of schedule versus a Damian Lillard or Tyrese Haliburton is because they had the surgery. When you hear that, do you buy that thought that because the doctor happened to be there, they got the surgery done so quickly the body didn't recognize the trauma, it went under? Does that make sense to you from a medical standpoint?
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Dr. David Chao
I love Reggie Miller and I'll take all kinds of three point shooting advice from him, but I don't know that this is there's any medical factual basis for this. Certainly doing the surgery in one day is perhaps better than doing it In a week or two, which is what happens in the normal world for us mere mortals. But I don't think it's. The body recognizes that there's a tear immediately. Jason Tatum recognized there's a tear immediately. Could there be a little less swelling in there? Okay, maybe. But I think it's his hard work, rehab, and sometimes the type of tear that allows him to return. And quite honestly, where the Celtics are, where he really wants to return. Whereas no offense to Kevin Durant, in Kevin Durant's situation, who tore it in that NBA Finals, besides being a big man, seven footer, and besides it being June, he waited all that next season and into the next, into the following season to make sure he really was 100%. And when he came back, he really was 100%. This is why I'm saying I'm not sure Jason Tatum is 100% right now. I'm not saying he can't come back and be effective. What Reggie says is awesome, but I would say is the recovery for Achilles is also being accelerated by other things. Blood flow restriction therapy is part of it. In that same documentary that Jason Tatum has some of those tourniquet type devices on to help blood flow restriction to help healing. That is something that, you know, we saw Aaron Rodgers do when he tried to return in the same season in the NFL, didn't make it back because the jets didn't make the playoffs. But there's a lot of things accelerating the recovery. I think only a very smart part. I mean, look, I'd love it to get credit to say the doctor was there and therefore we really helped out, which, you know, is great. And I help the doctor helped out, certainly from a psychological perspective and being there and getting the right diagnosis and reassuring Jason Tatum on his return. But the body does recognize a rupture or a tear immediately.
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LaVar Arrington
Okay, and looking at where Jayson Tatum is, is there any risk of. Of there being any type of re. Injury of any kind, of any sort of.
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Dr. David Chao
Well, when you say any risk, the answer is yes. And I'm not trying to scare Celtics fans and I'm not saying he's not ready, but, you know, any sort of quick, eccentric load is the Achilles is strong today, as it will be months from now. Answer is probably no. This is why Durant took, you know, 500 days to return. Kudos to Tatum for wanting to return, but I don't think, once again, he's 100%. And I'll give you something else. He's not 100% safe. If you really want to talk about it and I hope I don't jinx the man on the other side. It's not uncommon to have a second Achilles happen after a first. We've seen it in the NFL in many instances. Terrell Suggs is one that comes to mind. So I hope saying that doesn't place any jinx Jon Jayson Tatum, Dr. David
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Jonas Knox
Chao joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Levar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for the Herd. What can you tell us about Caleb Downs, the prospect? He was at the combine. There was a medical red flag, something about the acl. What can you tell us about that situation? It is something to monitor.
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Dr. David Chao
It's something to monitor, but I don't make a lot of it. First of all, not at all distress, distrusting the reporter that said it, not distrusting the source or scout that said it. But in my time in the NFL, I've been to 20 combines and I always met with the GM or assistant GM. It was never with a scout. And therefore there is the game of telephone that can happen. And let me tell you something, if you're talking about a player getting flagged at combines, out of the 330 players that are there, there aren't one or two at most that are flagged to extent which is do not draft. You cannot draft them. They're probably about 30 or 40 or so, sometimes up to 50 red flags where someone has an issue that currently at the combines they don't pass a physical, but they could project to pass the physical. So it's sort of a stop sign there. And there's probably another, a third of the 330, 100 or more that have a yellow flag, which is some history of injury that might affect their longevity or something down the road, but that doesn't always affect their draft status at all. So I guess what I'm saying is just because someone is flagged, I'd say a third of athletes at the combines are flagged in some way, but that doesn't mean they're going to drop in the draft or be undraftable. And I'm old enough that when I first started going to combine, GMs would tell me is this guy going to be our left tackle for the next 12, 15 years? Well, by the time I was done, the question was is this guy going to get us through, get through his first contract is all they cared about. Right? And there are other instances too. You know, there was a draft pick, Sony Michelle for the patriots in the 32nd pick in the first round where we said he's got degenerative knees and he's not going to last. But guess what, the Patriots rode him to a Super bowl in his rookie year. He did not have a long career, but they wrote him to a Super bowl in that first year. So there's all sorts of reasons for picking players and I don't make a ton out of the Caleb Downs report so far.
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Jonas Knox
One last one for you here, Dr. Chao, Patrick Mahomes. What's the realistic timeline for him? Because we're talking about, you know, these moves Kansas City's making. You know, they're trading away, you know, star players on defense, they're restructuring contracts. We're looking at this as is this the end of the run for Kansas City as a legitimate super bowl contender? And one of the things that's kind of been buried in all this is Mahomes is coming off a pretty serious injury first of his career. Really to this extent at his age, when do you expect him to be full go for next year?
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Dr. David Chao
Well, Patrick Mahomes has been a beast in terms of his play and also getting through injuries. We remember him playing through a high ankle sprain and winning the super bowl on that. This knee injury is a little bit different. It's more than just an ACL and we've talked about it a lot at Sports Injury Central sicscore.com It's a multi ligament injury where he tore his LCL as well as his acl which is why he had the accelerated immediate surgery. Not because his body wouldn't recognize it but because it's a repair of the LCL and then a reconstruction of the ACL makes it more complicated. The best comp for this as a quarterback actually was Carson Wentz when he was with the Eagles. It happened in LA against the Rams, Torres, LCL and acl. Nick Foles came in and won the Super Bowl. Carson Wentz was not ready for week one last year. He rushed it back week four or so and ended up with some back issues compensatorily. Here's the thing. Could Patrick do I expect Patrick Mahomes to return to 100% or being Patrick Mahomes the magician that he is? The answer is yes. Will that happen week one? That is definitely. I don't think he'll be 100% himself. Week one? Is he healthy enough to try and play week one? Maybe. Will he want to play week one? Certainly. Will the Chiefs let him play week one when he's not 100%? That's the bigger question mark. And they may exercise some caution because he is absolutely the franchise. You don't want him to not be 100% and suffer another injury. And I think they're going to take it day by day and see how he is. But if there's any additional risk they may not have him playing at the start of next season given the severity of the knee injury.
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Jonas Knox
Dr. David Chao always appreciate it. You can get him on X at profootball, Doc, and we look forward to updates when some of the wheelings and dealings happen happen. And we'll monitor the Jayson Tatum situation. Good stuff Doc. We appreciate you man. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.