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Colin Cowherd
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Nick Wright
The last thing anyone wants is to leave behind confusion, stress or worse, family conflict. That's why estate planning isn't just for the wealthy. It's for families like mine and probably like yours. With Trust and Will, I created my estate plan in minutes. From naming guardians for my kids to putting our house in a trust to avoid probate. Fast, affordable and way easier than I thought. Every plan is designed by estate planning attorneys and customized for your state. Plans start at just $199 and include essentials like healthcare directives and power of attorney. With Trust and Will's bank level security and built in privacy protections, your personal information and your wishes stay safe. Whether you're newly married, raising kids, caring for aging parents, or just want peace of mind. Trust and will makes it easy to protect what matters Most. Go to trustandwill.com, use code RADIO at checkout and save 20% on your personalized plan because there's no better time to protect the people you love. Trust and Will is an online estate planning. See website for details.
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Colin Cowherd
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Which is why they always come through in the clutch. Just like you. Call 1-800-granger. Click granger.com or just stop by Granger for the ones who get it done. Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It is a Tuesday. We are live. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. Nick Wright One hour. J. Mac, There is something to be said about consistency and I thought, I thought Minnesota gave it everything they had. Minnesota, actually. J. Mac won the box score, field goal percentage, three point percentage, assists, rebounds, fast break points, points in the paint, all Minnesota. Oklahoma City won the game. Is this gonna be a coronation? Is that what we're doing? Just hey, OKC is the best. They're gonna start a dynasty. SGA for President. Is this what we're doing today? Well, let's get down to what is the difference in the series. They're both led by a significant talent. The two best players in the series are SGA for OKC and Ant for Minnesota. Ant has more flash, he's more athletically dynamic, he's more vertical. We kind of want him to be mvp. SGA is the MVP and you get the same game every night. That's why Oklahoma City in these late game, clutch time stretches is very, very good. SGA scored less than 20 points one time in the regular season, ant 15 times. And they're both the centerpiece of the offense. And part of it is Ant is 23 and SGA is 26. Ant isn't as refined. SGA is more focused, more refined, more consistent. You Know what you get? He doesn't fall out of his game, regardless of what you throw at him. He makes great decisions. He's older. The foot's on the accelerator. SGA averaged 33 a game. Why? Because he mostly scored 33 a game. Ant averaged 28 a game. 39 one night, 22 the next night. That's what his game is. It takes a while. I mean, Tom Cruise is obsessed with moviemaking. Later in life, last six films, five films, Tom Cruise is realized. I'm an action star. No more Rock of Ages, no more Eyes Wide Shut, no more Vanilla Sky. I do action movies. The more I run, the more people go watch. And that's what he is, and that is great. Older athletes could be a quarterback, could be a point guard. They're more consistent. You don't get the highs and the lows. Sga, I mean, Ant still has volatility to his game. SGA is oatmeal for breakfast, he's a BLT for lunch, and those puppies last forever. All this criticism of SGA is laughable. The guy can hit threes, great ball handler, uses his length brilliantly, can hit mid range. There was a play, I think it was in the second quarter, where he bodied a guy a foot taller, Rudy Gobert, and used the left hand, his off hand, to score off the glass. It was an incredible move. But he wasn't dunking over anybody. He was using his body and using his length. And that's what he does. And it's not SGA's job to entertain us. That's not his job. This whole free throw Merchant, he averages 8.8 free throws a game as an MVP. I went and looked this morning at LeBron's MVP seasons. You know what? He averaged 8 free throws a game. Be honest, this is about SGA's game isn't fun. And the media and the fans, they prefer a Westbrook or a Derrick Rose or a Stevie Francis or a Marbury or a John Waller and Iverson. Those are fun and they're dynamic. So is Ant. SGA is not. He's just consistently great. The tool belt is completely full. I see a pro. It's like the quarterback who stepped to the line and is great at pre snap. He's done his homework. This guy has a left hand, a right hand range, ball handling, consistency machine. And talk about a guy that uses his length. Yesterday, SGA passed Michael Jordan for the most 30 point games in the season in which you were the mvp. And his scoring isn't just about him. The Thunder are now 131 this season when he scores 40 plus points. That wasn't the case with Kobe. Sometimes with Kobe, the more he scored, the less everybody else touched it and was involved. His scoring connects with winning. In the whole free throw merchant thing, you just don't like what it looks like. I understand it's not flashy, it's not cool. But it wins and it's consistent. And here's SGA after I tried not to worry too much about scoring or making plays or whatever it was. I tried to just like lose myself in the competition, be aggressive, pick my spots. And he does pick his spots. Series is now over. It's three to one, but it's over. Okay, so I thought this was interesting. I have said this is the hill. I'm gonna die on that. Shadour Sanders, over the course of the next 10 months will be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. I thought he was underdrafted. I don't think he's John Elway. I don't think he's Peyton Manning or even Eli. But I think he's the best quarterback they have and it'll just take him time. And I think he's a good kid, by and large. Good kid. But he said something yesterday to cleveland.com he said 99% of the online scrutiny is because of my dad. And he is exactly right. That's why it was really a mistake when dad went on shows and said things like this. Have you told him privately who you would like for him to play for? It's not like that. Like, it's not like who I would like for him to play for. It's a couple teams that I won't allow him to play for. So it's not like that. But this is my profession. I know what's behind the curtain. We ain't got to get back there for me to understand. What's behind the curtain is what's not prominent for my son. I'm not doing it. And if he doesn't listen to you, who. Yeah, bad NFL owners see that GMC clips of that and they're like, no, thanks. Well, what about John Elway? His dad wasn't on TV telling teams, don't draft my son. Okay? And John Elway is the greatest quarterback prospect out of college ever, to this day, ever. The more talent, the more leverage in every walk of life. Watching the NFL draft this year on both ESPN and the NFL Network was maddening. I can understand why he's dropping. What in the world is happening? Dad is happening. That's Why? I like the tact that Arch Manning and his family is doing. They're staying in the shadows. That's where all the real power is in life. Get out in the sun and get burned. Dion was in the sun. Dion spent too much time on television. Talking doesn't mean Dion's a bad guy. He's a great recruiter. He's done wonderful things for Colorado. He's an all time great player. But I have said this over and over and I will repeat it. Dads stop talking. Nobody cares. Quarterback dad has become pageant mom. Your heart is in the right place. You have good intent. You are hurting your sons. Nico I. Amaliava, remember that Tennessee, he cost his son millions of dollars and now he's at a second tier, second tier college football program instead of the Tennessee Volunteer. So it's. This is a cautionary tale. The NFL controls television networks. It's the only sport that tells the networks what they will pay for the rights and then has the right mid contract to step in and change it. Yeah, they're not going to have dads tell them where their son's going to play. And so this is not. I understand the devotion, the love and the 15 years you put into your son Pageant mom, quarterback dad. But he's got it right. Shadour's got it right. It's dad, it's Pops. He got in the way. And I also understand the heart and affection and the loyalty of the dads. Like I get it. I've said this before to people. I think I am. I can be really objective about everything in the world except my kids. I can be objective. I think mostly about my wife, about my life, about my career, about not my kids. It's just different. And I understand it's tough, but I like that Chadour knows it's. It's kind of pops and we'll see it more and more and more and more. And I know, I hear what about Eli Manning? A. Eli Manning was a better prospect. Also his brother was in the league as an MVP at the same position. And oh yeah, his dad had, you know, been brilliantly talented, albeit in a horrible franchise quarterback. The Mannings are royal family in America, certainly at the quarterback position. And I don't remember Arch Manning going on tv. They did a lot of their stuff behind the scenes, which I'm always okay with. I've just said stay out of the sun, you're going to get a sunburn. Put on the SPF 50. Do your. Do your maneuvering behind the scenes where people can claim you said things, but you have culpability. But when you go on television and exclaim not doing that, we're not going there, you are talking directly to the people, the companies, the corporations, the owners and GMs who are going to draft you. And I think it just did not play well at all. All right, so J. Mac, we got a lot of things going on. Ant did not play, mostly was invisible. Also, you know, we did something yesterday at the end of the show. I talked to the staff after the show and I said I want to work on something tomorrow. And Aaron Rodgers on our show yesterday had a really interesting moment where he was outside talking to a bunch of people. And I think sometimes you have to be careful about those sound bites because sometimes it's performative. If you're like outside and you and I are doing an outside show, you start playing to the crowd and you say things that you probably that are embellished or you're kind of performing for the crowd. But Aaron Rodgers did say something recently to a group of people that's on tape that hinted to me that the retirement thing is a greater than 5050 chance. And we played that bite yesterday and I want to get to that and other things when we come back. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app.
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Nick Wright
The last thing anyone wants is to leave behind confusion, stress or worse, family conflict. That's why estate planning isn't just for the wealthy. It's for families like mine and probably like yours. With Trust and Will, I created my estate plan in minutes. From naming guardians for my kids to putting our house in a trust to avoid probate. Fast, affordable and way easier than I thought. Every plan is designed by estate planning attorneys and customized for your state. Plans start at just 199and include essentials like healthcare directives and power of attorney. With Trust and Will's bank level security and built in privacy protections, your personal information and your wishes stay safe. Whether you're newly married, raising kids, caring for aging parents, or just want peace of mind, Trust and Will makes it easy to protect what matters Most. Go to trustandwill.com, use code RADIO at checkout and save 20% on your personalized plan because there's no better time to protect the people you love. Trust and Will is an online estate planning service. See website for details.
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Colin Cowherd
Summer is almost here and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats now, what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan. Sorry. A box fan. Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay. How about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some french fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered. Don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. 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Nick Wright 45 minutes from now so Anthony Edwards had one shot in the first quarter, 13 total shots in the game and he said after, you know, I didn't really get enough shots to judge my game. Listen, Jaden McDaniels of the T Wolves had more shots than Ant. That can't happen. You can't be the face of the league and get one shot in the first quarter of the biggest game of the playoffs. Can't do it. Not interested in excuses. Michael may have been getting tackled by the Pistons. He didn't have one shot quartered even when he had good teammates. So the because basketball players enter The NBA at 18, 19, 20 years old, you just have to wait. There are stages of maturity and I think personally and professionally Ant, I'm kind of waiting for him to graduate to the adult, consistent stage. He was mostly a non factor last night. So you can take him out of his game. Everybody knows it. Throw a bunch of bodies at him and make him make kind of advanced reads and he's going to struggle. It's a lot like a young star quarterback who's not great at pre snap stuff. Like it takes Brady six, seven, eight years. Mahomes admit the light didn't go on until year three so you can just throw a bunch of stuff at SGA. He's 26 and he sees it and he can read it. You can throw anything now at Mahomes four years ago he was a little confused, right? Four years ago he had to ad lib instead of getting pre snap blitzes out of the way. And so I think sometimes Ant relies too much on these sensational plays and his athleticism and he's great, but he's not consistently half to half great. And I, you know, I'm looking at some of the numbers this morning. The other thing that really hurts is that Oklahoma City's defense is not only great, it's historically great. It's deep, it's young, it's twitchy, it's almost collegiate in its energy and they throw a bunch of bodies at him and so. But let's defend Ant here. Jokic at 23, that's what Ant is. Ant 23. Jokic at 23 got his first MVP. Ant at 23 played for a losing team in Oklahoma City. So Michael Jordan in the 80s, before his game was more than just raw scoring. Michael Jordan was having some really bad halves and quarters against the Pistons. Like it happens. It's just in the NFL, a guy comes in with three, four or five years experience, he's got a more refined game. Ants isn't. And so he talked about his night. Only 13 shots after. I don't really look at it like I struggled. I didn't get enough shots to say I struggled. So that's my. That might be how you guys look at it, but yeah, I didn't struggle at all. It's just I made the right play, I guess. I urge that I want to get the ball in the rim, put it up there, but you don't want to take bad shots and get your team out of rhythm. So just playing the game the right way. Yeah, I mean, and LeBron said that I'm playing the game the right way. But LeBron would end up with 34 points and 13 assists and occasionally pass up big shots because he was playing the game the right way. Ant's not the distributor of LeBron, and LeBron wasn't settling for 13 shots. You may not have trusted LeBron in his prime at the free throw line or even when he was young, but you trusted the productivity. Ant's not there. He is a highly athletic, lot of fun, super dynamic, unlimited ceiling. But at this point, we're all kind of waiting and it will come and it will come soon. But he's not quite there yet. He's 23, SGA is 26, and you can see the difference in consistency. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Nick Wright
The last thing anyone wants is to leave behind confusion, stress or worse, family conflict. That's why estate planning isn't just for the wealthy. It's for families like mine and probably like yours. With trust and will. I created my estate plan in minutes. From naming guardians for my kids to putting our house in a trust to avoid probate. Fast, affordable and way easier than I thought. Every plan is designed by estate planning attorneys and customized for your state. Plans start at just $199 and include essentials like healthcare directives and power of attorney. With trust and will's bank level security and built in privacy protections, your personal information and your wishes stay safe. Whether you're newly married, raising kids, caring for aging parents, or just want peace of mind, trust and will makes it easy to protect what matters Most. Go to trustandwill.com, use code RADIO at checkout and save 20% on your personalized plan because there's no better time to protect the people you love, trust and Will is an online estate planning service. See website for details.
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Colin Cowherd
Summer is almost here and you can now get almost any anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. Now what do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well groomed lawn delivered, but you can get chicken parm delivered. A day at the lake? That's a no. A Philly cheesesteak? That's a yes. A nice tan? Sorry. A box fan? Happily, yes. What about a day of sunshine? Not happening. How about a box of fine wines? Yeah, that's happening. Delivery's on its way. Okay, how about some clear skies? Nope. Well, how about some french fries? Yeah. So how about a freshly cut lawn? Can't help you there. But a barbecued prawn? Order it and it's on its way. Even throw in some paper towels. Clean up after the feast. So while you can't get fun in the sun delivered, don't worry because you can get pork buns delivered. Uber Eats can definitely get you that. Get almost almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Order now. Alcohol in select markets. Product availability may vary by region. 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Just spend like you normally do, groceries, gas or a night out and instantly earn up to 4% back in Bitcoin or one of over 50 other cryptos straight to your account with no annual fee. The Gemini credit card is pretty much a no brainer. And right now you can grab a $200 bitcoin intro bonus. So go to gemini.com card. To learn more and start earning today. Terms apply again. Go to gemini.com card card start building your Bitcoin stash now. Terms apply. The Gemini Credit Card is issued by Web Bank. In order to Qualify for the Intro 200 crypto bonus, your application must be approved by June 30, 2025 and spend $3,000 in your first 90 days. Terms apply. Some exclusions apply to Instant Rewards, in which rewards are deposited when the transaction posts this content is not investment advice and Trading Crypto involves risk for more details on rates, fees and other Gemini credit card terms, see Rates and Fees. This is something I find really interesting. So Cam Newton, who by the way, I like him as a podcaster more than I did as a quarterback. I think he's a really good podcaster. He was fine at quarterback. He was just a little flashy and too inconsistent. But he's a good podcaster. He says interesting things. He doubles down on the criticism of Caleb Williams being entitled. Now Boomerasiason, as a former excellent NFL quarterback, got to a Super bowl, was an mvp. At one point Boomer Esiason had called him on New York radio. Caleb Williams he said, you know, the entitlement is breathtaking. And so Cam Newton said yesterday. It's a strong take, but he's not wrong. We're living in the golden era of entitlement. So coming from Cam, it's kind of funny, but I'm not going to take any shots. Whatever. Can we just be totally honest about Caleb Williams? If he got Sean Payton as a coach as a rookie, none of this story would would be here. If he got a competent offensive staff, this wouldn't be a story. I I do not see entitlement with young quarterbacks. Even Shador Sanders. It's more his dad, Bo Nix, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, Michael Penix. I'm blown away by how lucky the NFL is at the focus, the commitment and the maturity of all these young quarterbacks. I'm blown away by it. I mean I certainly wasn't this mature at 23 years old. You go look at Mahomes and Allen and Burrow and Lamar and Herbert and Tua. They're like grown ups in their early 20s. It's amazing. Yes, Caleb Williams and his father were deeply concerned about the Bears historical offensive ineptitude. I don't know if you watched the Bears last year, but they were proven 100% correct on all of their concerns. That's not called entitlement. That's called doing your homework, assessing accurately an assignment, understanding the Temperature of the room. Even the Bears, by firing people through the season, acknowledged we're not doing this kid any favors. The Bears acknowledged by all their firings, it's not the kid. It's the grownups around the kid. So I get to regularly meet these young football players, these quarterbacks. A Bo Nix I'll meet or a Caleb Williams. I never think of them as immature and entitled, ever. In fact, I would say the last entitled quarterback, and you know who it is, because I said he was undraftable, was Johnny Manziel. I said I wouldn't draft Baker Mayfield, but I didn't say he was undraftable to the league. I said Baker needs to grow up. Baker is a top 20 quarterback since he arrived in this league. He's talented and he's matured. I didn't think Baker was entitled. He was a hard worker. Johnny Manziel is the quarterback that was entitled. He now admits it as he's matured. Johnny Manziel, the money sign, didn't do the homework. Not watching film. That's entitled. Caleb Williams and his dad had concerns. And I also think you have to consider culturally what has happened. Caleb Williams was our first collegiate nil superstar. He was making more than everybody on USC staff. Not named Lincoln Riley. Do you think at 22, if you were making $5 million a year, you would always make every day the best decision? Or maybe Caleb Williams and his dad saw what Matt Stafford went through in Detroit and how it would have been crushed an otherwise brilliant career. Can you imagine if Stafford went to McVeigh or a Shanahan or an Andy Reid out of college? We wouldn't now be debating if He's a top 20 quarterback ever. He would be a top five quarterback ever. So where you land matters, it is not entitlement to be deeply concerned. Now, I do think, and I know this because I reported a year ago, he and his dad were thinking of figuring out a way not to go there. But in the end, Caleb didn't want to push the nuclear option, put his head down. I'm going to work my way through it. But I've seen entitled. I've seen entitled. I've seen Johnny Manziel. I've seen over the top. I just disagree with Boomer Esias and Cam Newton. I regularly get opportunities to meet these young professionals, college to professional quarterbacks. Even Baker Mayfield, though, I thought he needed to grow up. Baker's a good guy, hard worker, some real leadership moxie, and that was a guy I was critical of. Tim Tebow was A guy, I didn't like his game, but he was mature and focused and committed. So I don't buy the entitlement thing. I've seen entitlement. That's not it. I think multiple times over my career, I've said this. We're very lucky. How often the star of the NFL is a Brady, is a Manning, is a Mahomes, what looks like a Jaden Daniels. Like you'd want them to be your son, you'd want them to be part of your family. They're so committed, so driven, despite the fact they're getting ridiculed. Hot takes the culture of opinion. I don't see the commitment. Cam Newton, though, he, he, he sees it. We are living in the golden era of entitlement, and I hate that for sports as a whole. Right. Whether it's the parent or the player, you may not like the words, but behind what Boomer Assassin is saying is some truth. And that's, that's a lot of merit to the thinking of how a lot of guys who have came through this league are in the league feel about guys coming into the league. Yeah. I mean, if the culture of the NFL has always been the league is bigger than any player, including Brady. Brady left ratings went up. Far left ratings went up. Like, I do not see football culture in America. You are coached hard. Basketball culture, AAU culture can be a little, you know, get your thing, get your bag, get your stuff a little bit too much for me. And really great coaches like Kerr have questioned if AAU makes our basketball players better. But football culture in America is not about entitlement. It's about putting in the work, putting in the time, being kind of strangely obsessed, and I don't see it. Coming up next, Aaron Rodgers. It sounded like retirement is on the table. That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, ON. On Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss and the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years. And still work together. I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Sunday, the fastest racing on earth hits the streets of the Motor City for the Detroit Grand Prix. The IndyCar season continues Sunday at 12:30 Eastern on Fox. So Matt Hasselbeck, yesterday on our show assured us that Aaron Rodgers is going to be a Pittsburgh Steeler. May very well be a Pittsburgh Steeler. I don't know. He was. He was recently. He was doing a Q and A in front of people. Aaron was. And again, when you're, when you're performative in front of people, you may say things that in the moment gets the crowd worked up or. I'm not holding Aaron to every word of a public podcast or a public talk. People say things. But it does sound like there's a story out there. I think Aaron said he would play for $10 million. That tells me that money's not driving him. He also said recently, I'm not going to play for the Saints. I don't want to live in Indianapolis. That tells me where he played. Place matters. And, and this sounds like he's not that far from retirement. I've thought about that and I don't.
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Nick Wright
Understand what the.
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Colin Cowherd
What the reason for that is. You know, at the same time, I grew up a Niner fan and most of my, my favorite players retired as a Niner. So I understand the, the cool thing about it. But if I didn't do it, would that make a difference in how I'm viewed in the packers eyes? There's a lot of love from me and how I feel about the team. If I do or if I don't, I don't think it should make a difference. I'm not sure yet. If they approached me about it, I probably would. Yeah. Aaron saying, you know, if they approach me about playing, I probably would. Well, they have Jordan Love. So you're saying you'd be a backup and so you're saying you would close your career and you're still a starting quarterback in this league. You've aged, but you're still a starting quarterback. So you're basically saying is, I'd go be a backup for Green Bay. Wow, that's something. You'd play for 10 million. That's something. I don't want to play in Louisiana. That's something. These are your words. But I was saying when the show ended yesterday, I said, you know, there's two quarterbacks. In the history of great quarterbacks, I've never quite known what to do with Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers because whereas baseball is about stats, stats are really important for baseball people and basketball style and culture is really important. In football, it's about winning big games. That's why Elway, who didn't throw as pretty a ball as Marino, is here and Marino's much lower. John got to the big game more, even if he lost it. And to me, there's always been four or five things. When you start counting everything for the great quarterbacks, I want to know your super bowl appearances and wins. Don't have to win all of them. I'm not looking for six for six. I want division titles. So you at least dominate your division. You may have somebody like Brady or Peyton Manning in your conference, but you at least dominate your division. I obviously want a lot of productivity. I want your playoff record. Those are your biggest games, whether you win all of them. But I want you to have some impressive playoff resume stuff. And I'll count MVPs, which are a personal award, but they mean something. It means a high level of play amongst your peers. I will not count passer rating. Tua and Jimmy Garoppolo, Deshaun Watson and Russell Wilson have a significantly higher passer rating than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Josh Allen. I know Aaron has the best passer rating of all time. I do not care. Passer rating does not matter. It's like NBA coach of the year. Phil Jackson has one. It's an irrelevant award. I think the people who win it put the plaque in their garage behind the rakes and the brooms. It just doesn't matter. And passer rating means Nothing to me. MVPs signify amongst your peers. You are the best that season, so that matters. But when you look at Marino and Aaron Rodgers, they're not close. Aaron's been to one Super bowl, had one great playoff run. 11 and 10 in the playoffs, division titles. Yes, MVPs. Impressive. But what do I do with that? Where do I put that? Because when you put him in that group of all time great quarterbacks, Brady, Montana, Elway Mahomes, Peyton Bradshaw, Farve, Aikman, Young, not even Marino matches up. And I've said this before. Well, Marino, Marino and Aaron are the same, really talented, may have the two best releases I've ever seen. Aesthetically pleasing. But relative to talent, they didn't win enough. I mean, Dan Marino had Don Shula, arguably the best coach of all time, still didn't dominate his Division 1 great playoff run and had good teammates. Aaron always had a good old line, always had an offensive coach. In much of Aaron's career, the Lions were awful, the Bears were egregiously bad, and Minnesota was never great. Although they had some great players, they were kind of good. And yet Kirk Cousins went.500 the minute he got into that division against Aaron. So I've never understood exactly if Aaron retired today. It's again, this is not basketball. It's not about style, it's not about culture, it's winning big games. If you think about Aaron Rodgers, all time greatest playoff moments, one jumps out. The Jared Cook throw against Dallas. It may be as good as anything I've ever seen. But Eli Manning, who I didn't put on that board, has two of those. David Tyree and Mario Manningham. And he's got two Super Bowls over Brady and Belichick. Manning's also a guy. What do I do? What do I do with Eli? He's like Philip Rivers. If Philip Rivers won Super Bowls, what do I do? So this the thing. And I, and I, and I've said this with both Marino and Aaron Rodgers, it's hard to quantify Super Bowls division titles, productivity, winning big games, iconic moments, they're everything else. I'll give them the MVPs those matter. But I was looking at passer rating this morning. I just, it's nonsense. And this is, and I've always, my belief has always been Aaron at the end of his career played to protect his passer rating. If he threw an interception or two, he shut it down. He played to protect that all time number one passer rating. And it's great. It's just an inch above Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. But Peyton Mannings is 16th, Kurt Warner's is 19th, Josh Allen is 23rd. In fact, Derek Carr and Josh Allen are neck and neck on passer rating. I can't count that. That can't be a thing. If you don't have, if you have one NBA Finals appearance as a coach, but you've won the coach of the year four times, I'm putting you below Phil Jackson. I, I'm sorry, I gotta put you Below. Well, Phil had Michael Jordan, Doug Collins had him. Stan Ulbricht had him. Well, I mean, Phil had Kobe Bryant. So did Dale Harris. I don't want to hear it. His, his New York Knicks day may have been a mess. I don't want to hear it. All right, J. Mac. Also, I. Nick Wright is on at the top of the hour. I will hold. I cannot let some of that slide. You know, I'm out on Rodgers because he screwed the jets, he was terrible, he got it, blah, blah, blah. All right. But I do have to put in some context, like Eli Manning was great in two super bowl games. Two games. Aaron Rodgers has been great for seasons. Yes. What matters more to you, a 16 game season sample size where he won four MVPs. Right. Or a game for Eli Manning where he won one Super Bowl? Well, it's obvious Aaron is rated and I would rate him higher than Eli Manning as a quarterback. And that's where it gets difficult because it's like, are we dinging Rogers too much for not getting to enough Super Bowls, not winning enough and pumping up Eli because of, you know, play off runs? I think Eli Manning is absolutely fairly categorized as a Hall of Famer, but not a top 15 quarterback. Nobody thinks he's a top 15 quarterback, but you can't beat Belichick and Brady in their prime, twice have two iconic throws and go, well, I don't know. He's Philip Rivers. No, he's not. So. So nobody is saying. I would never insinuate that Aaron's below Eli. So Obviously regular season MVPs and stats and productivity matter a lot. But again, we're talking all time top 10, 12 guys. Everything is something. Nothing's everything, but everything is something. So I mean, my take is with Aaron and Marino, if you're going to count them up against Brady and Montana and Elway and Mahomes and you're going to get dinged for getting to one Super Bowl. So do you have Elway above Aaron Rodgers? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. I think, Yeah, I don't even again, I grew up, you know, I'm watching John Elway's career. I was a Seahawk fan, right? Like I saw him live. I saw John Elway leadership, fourth quarter comebacks. I think he's, he's one of a short group Back. Hour two next. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Here we go. It's hour two and it's a Tuesday. Nick Wright, five minutes live in Chicago. It's the heard wherever you may be, and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. So, JMac, I've been on something, I think for about, I don't know, three weeks or a month. People tell me I'm getting push back. You know, I don't know if I am, but my take is. I thought it was maybe a supplement or something. No, it's, it's. Yeah, I'm not a big tradition guy. I didn't go to churches and a lot of people did. So I've never been a big romantic about sports. So I saw something interesting this morning and with that, I would like to introduce America to a pillar of decency, a standard of honesty and truth telling that is unrivaled in America, the LA Times, who now becomes the second media juggernaut in America, me being the other that thinks the Notre Dame USC rivalry isn't the beginning and the end of college football. It's just another cool game, The LA Times in one of their graphs said this morning. USC is choosing to take the cold, calculated route when it comes to this quandary, whether to play Notre Dame or not. I understand why. Why should the Trojans be expected to carry the water for the soul of college football at the cost of their own playoff odds, while the rest of the sports leaders, USC's own included, have made clear how much tradition really actually means to them? Yeah, the Pac 12 folded. You can pay high school players. Stop with this almost hackneyed sentimentality. The world changes. Everything else is changing. You can deny AI is going to change the world, but as you do, it just autocorrected a text and I know your grandma would prefer a letter, so would Gramps, but they're gonna get an emoji and FaceTime. That's the world we live in. Yeah, I know. Once USC played in a conference that had games against Cal and Arizona and Arizona State and Stanford, which often is awful and sometimes is interesting, and Washington State and Oregon State, and the only power consistently was Oregon. But now Oregon joined them and now they play Penn State and Michigan and Ohio State. In fact, the three teams from the west that join them, ucla, Oregon and Washington, are their biggest, toughest rivals. Two of them cold weather games. So yeah, USC has said we'll play the game, but on our terms, early where it's sunny. And I don't blame them. Lincoln Riley is paid to get to the playoffs, not cling to tradition. And I said this yesterday, a November roadie in South Bend, Indiana is not attractive. When the following week, after going to South Bend, flying back to LA with 19 year olds, flying back to Philadelphia, flying back home. You still have a tournament, a playoff to be in potentially. So it's a different ball game. And college football is always had. I've looked at the demographics for years. It has an older fan base and older people in America generally cling to tradition. I get it. The number one question I am asked, I was asked on the train this morning, the number one question I get asked, what do you make of college sports? And my take is it's changing. So is everything. AI is going to change medicine, it's changing law. He was an attorney. It's changing everything. So it can change college football. I think it's changing the NIL is changing college basketball for the better. You just have to understand now is the college football is now 75% a professional model and it's not going backwards. Once you introduce big money into anything, it doesn't go backwards, it doesn't retreat. And so if USC plays Notre Dame, great, but USC doesn't need Notre Dame. Notre Dame, refusing to go in a true conference, needs usc. So the pendulum at this time in negotiations has swung to usc. I know it's not valiant, as the LA Times also pointed out. It doesn't show great courage or it's not a valiant move, but it makes sense. Lincoln's paid to get to the playoff, not to cling to games. That frankly, the biggest rating for college football last year, I think was Texas and Georgia. It wasn't Texas and Oklahoma. Here's Lincoln Riley on the changes that are happening to his sport. There are some changes that we've all just got to accept because it's just part of it right now. Obviously that continues to move and we'll see, see how it evolves. But I think any door that closes, well, there's also a new, really exciting door that's getting opened and we've got a. I think we can still love what was in the past, but. But let's don't miss that. There's some like pretty cool things happening right in front of our face right now that we're kind of all in the forefront of. If you're telling me USC is playing Penn State tomorrow, I'm watching. And Michigan and Ohio State and Oregon and Georgia and Texas. I'm watching. I don't think it's worth sacrificing another cold weather roadie in November to appeal to traditionalists. You're not paid for courage, you're paid for winning. That's the bottom line. Be sure to catch Live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9:00am Pacific. You know, I was. I was thinking about this. J. Mac. We started the hour talking about this and I was thinking about if you really do think about players that play different. I'm not talking about just scoring. Players that are exhilarating to watch in the history of the NBA. And I wrote these down. These were first top of mind. I'm not talking about just scores. Alex English led the NBA in scoring in the 80s, right? I loved him, but he wasn't exhilarating. I don't think we've had as many as you think. Dr. J. David Thompson, Michael Jordan, Magic Bird, LeBron, Steph Dominique, Ant, Clyde Drexler are the ones that just jump out. To me, like they just literally, they were just more vertical players. I would say there are far more SGAs and Duncan's and yoke. Let me put Kobe in there. My bad. I'll put Kobe and Shaq. Kobe and Shaq. My bad. So I. I'm so Kobe and Shaq. Charles Barkley was. Let me throw Charles Barkley in there. Okay, let me do this real quick, J. Mac. Okay. And I'm not saying I'm not missing some 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 players that I consider just it play. I mean, the round mound of rebound Barkley grabbing the rebound coast to coast, jamming it through. But the leagues probably had two to three times out of guys that are just proficient, they score a lot. They're good players. They're not dynamic. We've had more SGAs than we've had ants. Would you agree with that? Is Carl the Mailman Malone in there? No. I thought his game was boring. I never thought he was a captivating player. Not never a Jazz fan at all like Sean Kemp, the Rain man, right? Okay, there's another one, dude. Okay, no, that's good. That's good call on that. Good get. So now we're at 13. You didn't see David Thompson. He was insane. Okay, so Kemp puts us at 13. I mean, players that literally, you could turn the sound down and go wth. That is just different than anything I've ever seen. But by and large, to just make the NBA, even if you're a proficient scorer, it doesn't matter. If you're Rick Barry, Bernard King, it doesn't matter. Like many Kevin McHale, Akeem, Duncan Malone, like most of the great players are not like jaw dropping, right? They're. They're. We've talked about this before in the NFL. 95% of what Mahomes does is like 12 yard drag routes and about three, three times a game Mahomes goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. But Michael Jordan, he was a mid range specialist. You always see like the same 25 highlights. Jordan was great, nobody disputes that. But Michael was the master of getting a bucket and getting a stop. Mahomes is the master, John Elway was before him of like the two minute drill, making the great escape, the great throw. But by and large, pro sports at its core is fundamental, circumstantial. Do the basics, don't miss the layups. And Kemp is a good call on that. That puts us at 13. Play 13 players that played different. Okay, what about like a Derrick Rose because he was awesomely skilled, but also a human highlight reel who would just explode and dunk and man, if Derrick Rose didn't have the injuries. I'll just tell you right now, I think Derrick Rose will be more highly thought of as a superstar than SGA will. Just because of Rose, his connection to Chicago. I can throw Rose in. That would get us to 14. That's a good call. Derek was spectacular. I still remember his first playoff game, his first playoff series against the Celtics. Remember that. He was like unstoppable. They're like, who is this guy? Well, well, if it wasn't for weight and injuries, I think you could put Zion in there. I think he plays different than anybody. BMW didn't just design an electric suv. Every detail of the BMW IX was crafted with passion and precision. With a BMW ix, you'll experience unmatched power, utility, spaciousness, versatility. My favorite feature, cloud based navigation, monitors charge levels, locates nearby charging stations so I can drive electric with the ultimate ease. BMW lets performance do the talking. And the scouting report is in. 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