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Doug Gottlieb
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Colin Cowherd
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Katie Couric
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Colin Cowherd
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Doug Gottlieb
So in the last month, the Midas Touch network beat Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Candace.
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Matt Holliday
Owens, Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro all combined.
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Ben Maller
What happens when three brothers take on right wing media and start winning? I find out on the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric.
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Doug Gottlieb
We just want people to live their lives and be happy and be able to enjoy it without some, you know, lunatic screaming in their face every three seconds.
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Ben Maller
Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Doug Gottlieb
This is the of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Boom. What up America? Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening to the show, Happy 4th of July to you. Hope you're ready for a great day. Heading out to the beach, heading out to a lake, heading up to the mountains, or you're just chilling at home like dude, I don't care. Just it's Friday. You ain't got nothing to do with. Listen to a little sports radio. Got a great show for you. I do mean great because in this hour alone, Taco NBA basketball talk with a former major league all star about a bunch of different topics. We'll talk a little ufc. We got some old school NBA, a little WNBA and some NFL. All just in this hour. Just in this hour. Matt Holiday, seven time All Star will join us upcoming in 20 minutes here on the show. It is, it's great to be with you in the herd. Obviously we're live in places like Los Angeles and I always laugh at when we post things from my show, the Doug Gottlieb show which follows this show on most Fox Sports radio stations. How people go like get another topic, don't talk about LeBron. That's by the way, my Colin doing the outside voice thing. Right, Cullen? Anyway, you can accuse me of a lot of things chasing Lebron topic is not one of them. Lebron topic is a real topic that's really been discussed and oh yeah, by the way, it pops up in your algorithm because it's what people are talking about right now. So hey kids, if you just got back from a vacation with your family or you haven't really been paying attention, there's this weird thing that happened with LeBron James and the Lakers over the past week or so, right? Free agency period open now. LeBron James is not a free agent, but could have been. Instead he opted in to his player option which will pay him roughly $53.9 million next season. But after opting in and signing or picking up his player option, his agent, Rich Paul released a statement saying, and again, I'm not going to quote it, it's not verbatim, but basically it's like, hey, LeBron wins to win a championship. So the Lakers are on a different timeline of winning a championship. So, hey, we just want you to know LeBron wants to win a championship. It insinuates that he, you know, past tense, relationship kind of over or coming to an end, and he doesn't think that they can win a championship as currently comprised in la. So he's open to any possibilities. The number one thing, one of one takeaway, you should have, like, why should I care? Again, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you whether or not you think LeBron, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Wilt, Kareem are the greatest players of all time. I'm not. There's just, I, you know, this is like the LeBron Jordan argument is like the abortion argument. You know what? Have fun trying to win that one on social media. There is no win. So this doesn't come from a place of, I don't think LeBron James is the best player of all time, but it does come from a place of, let's just kind of be honest. Is there anyone out there who would argue that Luca is at minimum a top 10 and more likely a top five player when healthy in the NBA? And you're all sitting there driving around and, you know, you get your kids in the car and you're sitting there. All right, that's reasonable. Top 10, minimum top 5, however you want your list to be. And you know, well, I didn't have in top five then Jason Tatum tours Achilles and I don't know, with Giannis and whatever, like, all right, like, I'm not going to push any argument more than it. I know he's one of the two or three best players in the sport that I love, that I played, that I coach. But again, not trying to win arguments. We're just trying to find middle ground there, right? So if he's a top 10 player, and there are a good portion of people, especially ones on TV, who will watch LeBron play on a given night, throw up LeBron stats and say LeBron's still the best player in the NBA. Now, again, I'm not going to argue that. I know that most of us know that not to be true. But if you think LeBron James is a top 10 or top 15 player and you're in a sport where suddenly now we have more parity than we've ever had in our lifetime. Eight champions over the last eight years and many of the teams that are seen as the league's elite have lost play. I mean, the three of the best teams in the east have lost elite players due to Achilles 10 and tear. Right. And as much as we talk about the west, as if all the Westers. Oh, like the warriors aren't good enough as currently comprised to compete for a championship. The Wolves aren't good enough to compete for a championship as currently comprised the Rockets. We think with Kevin Durant, it'll make them better. I'm a huge Kevin Durant fan, but it hasn't worked in his past, what, two stops close to working in Brooklyn. Not his fault they had injuries. And then the dysfunction that followed didn't work in Phoenix. Any argument there? Okay, so all these things were like, oh, the west is so like, you know, Clippers seemed like they're kind of over the hill with what they're doing now. Warriors are over the hill. Timberwolves just don't have enough. Spurs probably a year away, maybe two away from really competing at top Rockets. You know, they look better, but again, at some point you're going to get declining return on Kevin Durant. It's, it's. There's better depth. Denver has no bench. Right. There's fragile. They're not great. They still have Jokic. So if you want to make a depth of good teams. But if we're honest with ourselves, LeBron and his camp admitting the Lakers can't win, they are not focusing on or trying to in his mind or they're, you know, really how it lands on everybody. They're not good enough to win A championship with LeBron, with Luka. If you're not good enough to compete for a championship and you have two top 15, top 10 players in the league, then boy, the league must be really good. And it's not. So what LeBron and everybody else is admitting without knowing they're admitting is that LeBron's no longer a top 15, top 20 player. He's for 40. He's amazing, but in reality, he's just not. He doesn't defend with the same energy. He can be hard to play with. And there are nights in which he just doesn't have it. And those nights will likely increase over time. Right? Doesn't play all the games, has gotten hurt, what, like five of the seven years in which he's been in la? So this idea that let's just eliminate that from your argument. LeBron's a top 10 player. No, he's not. If he was, then there's no way in hell anybody would say that the Lakers can't win a championship. And most of us know Lakers can't win A championship, including LeBron James. So if we start with that, that things have changed. LeBron has to adjust to where he is, but he still wants to play for a championship contender. And he does not think the Lakers are championship contenders. There is only one other possible argument if he doesn't think the Lakers are championship contenders or says that is that LeBron is pouting because now they're doing everything to focus on Luka. And what makes Luka his the best version of himself lot LeBron James. But let's pretend for at least the radio show and for this argument, that LeBron James is in fact the bigger man. LeBron James has nothing. He just wants to win, wants to be part of a champion. Doesn't see it, doesn't feel it, because he knows in his heart he's not nearly as good as he used to be. Well, if that's the case, then what actions has LeBron actually taken to be solely focused on winning a champ championship? Over the past couple years with the Lakers, keep in mind, they've acquiesced to anything that he wanted. Hey, you want JJ Reddick to be the coach? Done. You want us to move mountains first to trade for Anthony Davis? Remember, they tried to trade for him, couldn't get it. Then Rich Paul, who also reps Anthony Davis, was like, gotta have Anthony Davis. So they moved heaven on earth. Heaven and earth to get him. They get him, they win a Covid championship, okay. But they deplete all their most of their reserves. And then when they wanted to add another player, it was going to be DeMar DeRozan done. Only LeBron stepped in, is like, nah, nah, nah. We want Russell Westbrook. You want Russell Westbrook, not DeMar DeRozan. Sure, let's overpay to get Russell Westbrook. They get Russell Westbrook. The good vibes last all of, I don't know, a month, two months. And then LeBron turns a cold shoulder. That relationship's done. Don't worry, we won't hold it against LeBron. We'll just move on from Westbrook, then ultimately move on from our coaches after moving on from, from, you know, Frank. Frank, who wins your championship. And then, you know, you move on from Darvin Ham. Now you go get J.J. redick, and then they Draft Bronny and kind of force themselves to go, yeah, no, no, Bronny has earned all of this. Then they play Bronny James, one of the last picks in the draft in the second round on opening night in the NBA. Doesn't happen normally, doesn't normally get four year guaranteed contracts. And then their G league team is turned into a LeBron James sponsored AAU team where it's just about Bronny getting buckets and about making Bronny look like he's ready to play in the NBA. They've done all these things. Oh, the only thing they did that maybe he didn't like was trade away the big guy who is repped by the same agent and upgraded for a trade that the entire world thinks they won. The entire world thinks they won. Like, I don't think the wind disparity is that great. Like I don't think it was. They literally trade away a box of basketballs used outside for one of the greatest players in the world. They trade away Anthony Davis, who's a tremendous two way player. Okay, has. And, and really what Dallas want to do is reconfigure themselves, make themselves the most dynamic defensive team in the league and tap into the potential of Anthony Davis, which still seems to be limitless, only limited by injuries. And of course Anthony Davis, as he's prone to do, gets hurt when he gets there. But it, the, the, it's not that big of a win, but it's a win and anybody would argue as such. Right? So what are you actually mad about? That the Lakers want to trade with the Mavericks? That the Lakers are going to be relevant for the next decade. The, I think the problem people are bothered with the most, this comes from me, this comes from Colin, this comes from government, this comes from teachers, comes from parents, comes to, from athletes. I can take your opinion if it's the opposite of mine, what I can't take, or your ideas or your thoughts, or, you know, if you have a plan, you go do it. What you can't take is, is hypocrisy. If you want to play for a championship and you don't think it's in LA and all that's important to you at the end of your career is winning a championship, well then just don't pick up your player option and you're a free agent and go where the hell you want, go wherever you want. Well then what do we do with Bronny? Well, again, like, again, if, if Bronnie isn't tied to you, if it wasn't a daddy ball deal. Well then that shouldn't matter to you. Of course it matters to you. And they can figure it out. They can trade Bonnie for nothing and get stuff something back in return or whatever. It's just, it's just hypocrisy. Don't tell me that you don't tell me that LeBron's the top 10 player and then say playing with Luka Doncic, they can't win a championship. Don't tell me winning, winning a championship, competing for is all that's important. And then pick up even if you are going to stay in la, if you really want to win a championship, of course you could take less money. And to people who say he's LeBron James, he doesn't have to take less money. He doesn't unless he truly believes knows he needs more help based upon the current structure of the salary cap in the NBA. And oh yeah, by the way, there's all kinds of creative contracts where you can backload it and do player options. At the end of the day they can buy you out of your last contract so that you get a walk away bonus that ends up equaling out what you would have made this year. Like all that stuff is reasonable. But this is not an opening rant. Doug Godly been for Colin the Herd on Fox portage radio, the iHeartradio app. This is not me telling you he's a terrible person or he's a bad basketball player. But what you can't have is somebody being a complete hypocrite time and again and not get called on it. Not get called. It's what irritates us about so many people in power is you say one thing and you do another and that's where we are with LeBron James. And so either he's a hypocrite and the money's really what's important and he this is just for show or he and his crew is being babies because it's no longer about him and it's always been about him. Be sure to catch live editions of.
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Matt Holliday
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Stacey Vanek Smith
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Colin Cowherd
Hour with Ben Maller. Would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking what in God's name is the fifth hour?
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Doug Gottlieb
I'll tell you, it's a spin off.
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Colin Cowherd
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Stacey Vanek Smith
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Stacey Vanek Smith
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Doug Gottlieb
Welcome in this earth, the herd, whatever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day. Yeah, I don't know what that sentence was. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd, and for the next two hours, I want to talk sports with you. From Poway to Escondido, all the way up to Santa Clarita. Jason Stewart. And about five people in Southern California smiled and knew what that was or who that was. Joey chestnut just ate 72 dogs in the hot dog eating contest. Right? I. There is something about the hot dog eating contest which feels. Feels a lot like the Home Run Derby. It's a lot like the Home Run Derby. You know, when it first made it big and it was Kobayashi, it was cool. Then all of a sudden, you know, we have this Joey Chestnut character, comes out of nowhere and just can crush dogs like nothing we've seen before. Then last year, he was. He. He did like some sponsorship deal with the meatless hot dog, which. Yeah, that sounds pretty terrible. Knock. I'm just not gonna lie to you. I don't know. They do not sponsor this show, but. And I'm not decrying any brand. And I don't even like hot dogs. Yeah, that's me. I don't. I don't. I mean, I'll eat one. I mean, they're still delicious, but I don't like them just because hot dogs are. They're like popcorn. They don't always taste good, but they always smell really good. And there's a little. They kind of over promise and under deliver. I'm not. I'm not gonna lie to you. And look, there's lots of great styles of eating hot dogs. I love a Chicago dog. It's different. It's unique. You know, you throw tomatoes, little. Whatever those little pickle thingies are in there, you know, they're. They're good. I. You can be a snob and say you can't eat ketchup on your hot dog. I disagree. J. Stu, you and I have discussed there's nothing special about a Dodger dog. It's just a hot dog that's bought at a Dodger game. But for whatever reason, the simplicity of the execution makes you think you're buying something worth the. I don't even know how much the Dodge dog is now. But whatever you're overpaying for.
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Jason Stewart
Also speaks to the. It also speaks to the power of alliteration. If you make something alliterative in this country, People think it's a much bigger deal than it is. The Dodger dog is kind of a lengthy hot dog that tastes the same as most hot dogs, but they're Dodger dogs. So there's some gravity to that for whatever reason. And it works. They're not going to run from it.
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Doug Gottlieb
So.
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Jason Stewart
Yeah, it speaks to alliteration. And by the way, chestnut, he crushed 71 hot dogs today. The record by him was 76 in 10 minutes. But he did, I think, eat 25 more hot dogs than second place. He crushed the field. A remarkable return by the champion.
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Doug Gottlieb
So, so if he goes from 76 to 71, is this like, you know, when your Velo is just slightly down as a pitcher, like still dominant, but you can see that we, that we're no longer peak. Chestnut.
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Jason Stewart
Yeah. And he's got to find more creative ways to win, you know?
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. Well, so now he's not a thrower. Now he's more of a pitcher. Now he's. Now he's not an eater. He's more of a chewer. I don't know what the, I don't know what the, what the what the proper term is. Perfect. You had something.
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Matt Holliday
Yeah, I, if I may, if, if Are you interested in my, like, story of my first Dodger dog? Because I am not from la like you and Southern California, like, and you and Jason. Because I had this grand vision in my head of a Dodger dog from what I have been told about all this stuff. And when I went to my first Dodger game and just got a plain, hot, long hot dog wrapped in foil, I was supremely disappointed.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah.
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Matt Holliday
And I had already experienced what I think is like LA's better dogs, which are those bacon wrapped hot dogs you get literally anywhere. But mostly outside the Memorial Coliseum during USC games. But like literally any.
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Doug Gottlieb
No, you get outside anywhere.
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Matt Holliday
Literally anywhere.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah.
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Matt Holliday
Those danger dogs are everywhere. And they'll give you like half a jalapeno with them.
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Doug Gottlieb
Isn't Pinkies compared considered the best LA dogs anyway? And then of course, you know, I mean, if you do the Tommy's, Tommy's, his burgers. But Tommy's also has dogs. That's when you get chili.
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Matt Holliday
Chili burgers.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, yeah. What, what Profet is talking about, and they do have it in New York at a lot of places is you walk out of literally any sort of gathering. Like, I would be surprised if when people get done with family cookouts and they leave the park these days, there's like a group of people selling and they smell so good. But SOFI has, there's Sofi the Forum into it, Staples, Dodger Stadium, I believe, lafc.
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Matt Holliday
I believe when the protests were happening here in LA the other month, someone set up a, one of those carts on the 101. Like they're everywhere. Yeah, no, no, I have a video. I will find it and send it to you later.
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Doug Gottlieb
That, that sounds. Yes. The point is that when you walk out of any of these things, there's a hot dog wrapped in bacon. And this, again, this is the false advertising of the hot dog. Hot dog and bacon are, those are two of the greatest smells. You can be the most ardent vegetarian, you know, and walk out and go, I, I will, I will forget everything I've been taught or any sort of conclusions I've come to about meat because I have to eat whatever smells so good. So then you go to Dodger Stadium, you're like world famous Dodger Dog, give me two. And they're like, here you go. And you unwrap the foil and there is a rather pale hot dog in a fresh though moist bunny. Right? Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a bit of a bummer. Bit of a bummer. Had a buddy of mine who's in Chicago who sent me a picture of hot dogs. Everybody in Chicago knows hot dogs, right? Chicago dogs as advertised are different than Dodger dogs, which are just hot dog foot long hot dogs. Sorry. They're still good, but whatever you make of them is whatever you want to put on them anyway. Joey Chestnut, 71 dogs. I don't, I mean, I guess it's because he took the year off that now we're like a triumphant return. But it is a little bit of the home run derby to me, you know, no matter how much Chris Berman wants to go back on like it's. Yeah, that's. I don't know, that's not really, you know, it's, it's like the eating like an eating contest should be. I'd like that eating contest with those big porterhouse steaks, right? Those gigantic steaks where you get like, gotta eat one. And it takes dudes hours to do. You got like an hour to eat like a 72 ounce steak and you gotta eat all the gristle and everything else. Whereas the hot dog thing, I think we've all come to learn there is some sort of trick to it. I don't know what the trick is, but it's like a magic trick that, that everyone sort of knows and he maybe has cracked the code on how to make it work. Better, right? Because no matter how hungry you are, you can't get past five, can you, J. Stu? Can I. Normally eating a hot dog, the hungriest you've ever been. Could you get past five?
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Jason Stewart
Oh, probably not five. I will say this.
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Matt Holliday
Can't even get past two.
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Jason Stewart
I always get two hot dogs at the Dodger game and it's just pure bliss. There's nothing like a Dodger dog with mustard and onions. That's a necessary thing. And a beer at a Dodger game. There's just something about that combination. And if I am really, really hungry, I'll probably get a third one. But yeah, I think. I think I have to stop at three, don't you?
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. I think what happens is when you go get the Dodger dog, even when you get the first beer, it's like a hot day. You go to beer like, God, so good. When you go back, I think the. The mental. Mentally you're trying to get back to that moment where you're having that first bite bliss again. And you can't recapture it. No.
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Jason Stewart
It's the law of diminishing returns. You know it. Definitely the next one is not as good as the last one.
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Doug Gottlieb
For sure. I'm going to tout this. Okay. So have you guys been any. Been to Miller Park. Perfect. Your Midwest guy, Detroit, you're been a Miller Park. I have.
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Matt Holliday
Milwaukee is one of those Midwest cities I have not been up to. So no.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay. They have these popcorn stands where they make it fresh. But more than anything, they have the fresh butter. Obviously it's a dairy state. When I tell you this is the best popcorn I've ever had in my life. It's not like I've just had popcorn when I've gone to the movies. Like, I've gone through stretches of having popcorn every night before I go to bed.
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Matt Holliday
No, if you can get like the.
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Doug Gottlieb
What I do. I've done college basketball games. I did college basketball games for 22 years. Okay. And now as a head coach, I always have popcorn in locker. Like, they got popcorn. Can you give me some? Just because it's so easy to get you a little salt fills you up a little bit. Smells good. Whatever. So I've had a lot of popcorn in my life. I probably. Chicken is probably the one thing I've had more than anything else. But outside of chicken, I'm not sure popcorn isn't right there with hamburgers. In terms of how many times I have had a PSA popcorn on a day and in my 49 years on this earth, I'm telling you, the popcorn, the fresh. The fresh made popcorn with the real butter at Miller park or. No, it's called Amera. Oh, man. I need to know this because it's an insurance company that's big and family. God, what's the name of the park that they used to be called? American.
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Matt Holliday
American Family Field.
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Doug Gottlieb
At American Family Field. American families. An insurance company. Anyway, it's. I'm not kidding. It's the best popcorn I've ever had in my life. And I would challenge anybody. Now, if you're one of those, I like dry popcorn, I'm not really sure you should exist on this earth, but that's okay. Outside of people who like plain dry popcorn, it's the best popcorn ever had. I don't know how I got that aside.
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Jason Stewart
That surprises me because, like, they have to mass produce those things and usually do get the kind of. The stale and a bag popcorn at the ballpark.
- [34:13]
Doug Gottlieb
No, but they have the, the regular popcorn at the regular concessions. But then they have these red carts and they're like big red carts. They're not like the little ones that you can get like in your. Your game room at your house, like a big red cart and there's a, you know, a woman or a man who's working there. And then so they have like the popcorn being popped fresh and then next to it they have the butter that's just like boiling right there. Next, like real butter, and they take like a ladle and they like sprinkle it on, and then you take a little salt. You're like, this is the greatest thing I've ever had. My life.
- [34:45]
Jason Stewart
That sounds amazing.
- [34:46]
Matt Holliday
My. Really amazing that way. And it's still. Yeah, I think. I haven't.
- [34:51]
Doug Gottlieb
I don't know how they do it in memory. There's a trick to it, though, because again, when you try and do the real butter at home, the popcorn can become mushy. Still delicious. Became mushy. Right, Whatever that. Especially use a hot butter. The cold butter doesn't work, so I don't know how they do it. But the, the popcorn still maintains its consistency, though. It has real butter spread on it. How we get her. Oh, we're talking about Jason. Jason. Jason. Now we're talking about Joey Chester. Joey Chestnut. Yeah, I just. I don't know, guys. I just. I. I love the pomp and circumstance and the sarcasm and how the Nathan's people approach the whole thing. I do. It's fun, it's light, nothing else going on. But I got to be honest with you, it is like home run derby. We're like, I've seen this before. I know how it ends.
- [35:41]
Jason Stewart
And it's a tough watch. Like, I, I, I, I did. I caught the summary to see how he ranked against his other, his other events and everything else. But there's a TV and studio here, and I could have watched all 71 dogs go down. I can't watch these people eat those hot dogs. And I don't understand the thirst for that. Like, people love watching people eat. Like, it just seems, it's just unsettling to me. I'm sorry. It's not for me.
- [36:10]
Matt Holliday
I think this is different from watching people eat because I like plenty of those. What do they call them on YouTube? It's like a Korean word, Mukbang or whatever.
- [36:18]
Doug Gottlieb
It's like, what is it called?
- [36:20]
Matt Holliday
Mukbang. M U K B A N G. I haven't said anything.
- [36:24]
Jason Stewart
Sounds like a dirty word.
- [36:25]
Matt Holliday
It's not, I swear. I swear to God it's not.
- [36:28]
Doug Gottlieb
But Google that is. If I Google that, will I be.
- [36:31]
Matt Holliday
I think you're safe.
- [36:32]
Doug Gottlieb
Okay.
- [36:33]
Matt Holliday
But I think this is different from watching someone just have a nice meal. This is like watching someone forcing down hot dogs well past their limit, like, not even enjoying the food as they're just shoving it down their gullet and like working out the water and everything. This is, this is not, this isn't how this, I think what turns people off from the hot dog eating contest is like, this isn't how food is supposed to be consumed. And yet somehow we're just doing something grotesque beyond, beyond even gluttony.
- [37:05]
Doug Gottlieb
I feel like I think people watch to see somebody throw up.
- [37:10]
Matt Holliday
Yeah, that too. But that also just makes it more disgusting.
- [37:12]
Doug Gottlieb
It's like, it's like we were, we were talking about this earlier about, you know, UFC potentially having a fight on the White House lawn in a year. Right. There's a part of me that watches because I like, because at the end of some of these fights, you might have somebody lose an eyeball. You know, you might, they're just, you know, everybody knows that meme with that woman who just looks like her. Her face got ran over by a tractor, right? And she's doing a post, post match interview. Like, there's part of me that watches that for some of these arms getting, oh, that's gross. So I do think that there's a portion of people that watch eating contests because they're secretly rooting for somebody to just like, in stand by me, throw up over everybody else. Anyway, there's a recap. Joey Chestnut still the world's greatest Nathan's hot dog eating champion. Be sure to catch live editions of.
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Matt Holliday
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- [42:09]
Doug Gottlieb
Stuck OutLieb show oh sorry, Doug Gottlieb in Fur Collins the Herd Fox Sports Radio Doug Gotlib show follows the show on Fox Sports Radio. I thought we'd contextualize a little bit of what Clayton Kershaw was able to accomplish earlier this week with his 3,000th strikeout with a guy who faced him both in the regular season in the playoffs and played with him in the All Star Game at times. Matt Holliday joins us. He played 15 years in the big seven time all star member of the St. Louis Cardinals World Series championship team in 2011. And before we get to Kershaw and some other stuff in baseball, we are today's fourth of July, so we're roughly, what, nine days away from the Major League Baseball draft. And for people know Jackson Holiday, who is a starter for the Orioles, is Matt's oldest son, Ethan. Holiday is a prospect expected to be selected in this year's first round. Matt, what's. What's it like waiting around this time when Jackson went off the board at one and now you're waiting to see on Ethan, who was the national high school player of the year?
- [43:23]
Stacey Vanek Smith
Well, it's, you know, it's kind of an awkward time as far as for these kids and stuff, because the season ended, you know, for their high school season ended in May, and then, you know, they've moved the draft to the All Star Game. And so there's this kind of, you know, six, seven week period of waiting, but we've been. We've been keeping busy. We just went to Dallas to watch Jackson with the Orioles playing the Rangers and had a lot of family down there, so just been working out and staying, keeping him, keeping him as ready as you can without playing games. And then, you know, in about, like you said, nine or 10 days, we'll have an idea of who's selected him and what that looks like and then kind of have a plan going from there. So just kind of enjoying our last bit of, you know, summer at home for a while for him. So it's been great. We've. We've enjoyed it and had some good family time together and taking a couple trips and. But, yeah, so just kind of waiting to see what happens. And, you know, at this point, nine days out, we're not sure where he's gonna end up.
- [44:29]
Doug Gottlieb
Did you. When did you know Jackson was going number one?
- [44:33]
Stacey Vanek Smith
Like, literally, like 35 seconds before Manford announced it. I mean, it's. It's one of these things where, you know, seemingly in basketball and football, there's a great idea, you know, and leading up to the draft of who's going number one, and they seemingly have all the details and the contract already worked out. In baseball, it's a little different with the. With the draft pool and the slotting and then, you know, teams trying to figure out if they can negotiate down on the slot of the first and second, third picks to try to save money for picks following that. Maybe kids want overslaught or, you know, it's just. It's kind of a different animal, I'd say, than the other major sports drafts. But, yeah, with Jackson literally, maybe, maybe like, you know, literally the commissioner's walking up to the podium and, you know, kind of agreed to the term and then kind of let Leslie and my wife and Jackson find out with the Announcement, the rest of the family. So it was. It was chaotic and right down to the wire.
- [45:42]
Doug Gottlieb
And this time around, do you have any idea?
- [45:44]
Stacey Vanek Smith
No, we really don't. It's like I said, it's kind of a strange deal. You know, you have talks with teams and a lot more in the spring and kind of leading up to it, and then there's kind of this quiet period where I think teams collect their front office and their scouts and they start breaking down the potential prospects of it. And, you know, I think that that's the kind of the process. And then I think, you know, it might go right up to the day of before we have a real clear idea of what's going to happen.
- [46:15]
Doug Gottlieb
Matt Holliday's our guest here. Seven time All Star, 15 years in the bigs, won a World series with the St. Louis Cardinals. The Cardinals were famous for having whatever the elixir was to Clayton Kershaw in the playoffs. Right. So what was, what was the approach when you guys would meet before you're facing Kershaw in the playoffs? This is prime peak. Clayton Kershaw, best pitcher in baseball. What was the approach that allowed you guys to be successful in the playoffs against it?
- [46:44]
Stacey Vanek Smith
You know, I think it was a combination of a couple things. I think we had teams, the couple teams that seemingly got to him a little bit were guys that hit the ball in the middle of the field, weren't reliant on pulling the ball, did a good job of hitting with runners in scoring position. I think he probably would tell you that he made more mistakes over the plate, in the middle of the plate in those games than he's accustomed to and he would. Would make traditionally in his career. So I think it was a combination of things. We just. And then once you have a little bit of confidence like that, you can do it. And then, you know, as hitters, you feel like, you know, you can. You can get to him, then that helps. I mean, you know, he's such a dominant pitcher, and if he gets rolling and can kind of get going and start executing pitches and if they give him a lead, it's very difficult to get to a guy like that. But once you get to him, once you feel like maybe you can get to him again, and that. That certainly adds to the team's confidence that, you know, if we keep it close, we can. We can get a big hit and possibly beat a guy like Clayton Kershaw. So I would say there was nothing that, you know, was. Was secretive or, you know, like that we had this special plan that somehow got to Clayton Kershaw. It was, you know, you have to beat Kershaw when he makes mistakes. Just like any good pitcher, if they throw the ball in the middle of the plate, you can't miss it. You can't foul it off, you can't take it. You got to be ready to hit. And if he throws you one that's a good pitch to hit, you've got to hit it. And we seemingly were able to do that pretty well off of him in the postseason. And, you know, there was times particularly, you know, at the time when people thought we had his pitches or we were stealing signs and, and none of that was true. I mean, we, We. We just, like I said, we didn't miss the mistakes.
- [48:42]
Doug Gottlieb
Okay, then you have like a, like, for example, a Madison Bumgardner, a fraction of the total career of a Kershaw, but in the playoffs had, you know, had at least one far more dominant playoff run that Kershaw kind of really ever had. I guess, in your mind, and you're somebody who's an honest broker. Is. Is he the best lefty you ever saw? Like, where. Where is Clayton Kershaw in terms of the best lefties you. You've ever faced?
- [49:14]
Stacey Vanek Smith
Yeah, I mean, look. I mean, 3,000 strikeouts, I mean, you're talking about very rare air. I think if for me, you know, the. I got to face Randy Johnson at the end of his career. I didn't face peak Randy Johnson. So, you know, as far as just facing a guy with stuff, but as far as, you know, facing two of the best lefties, you know, of all time, and a couple of guys that I faced, I mean, I think, you know, Pete, Clayton Kershaw, who I faced, you know, I would say is the best lefty I ever saw. But I don't want to discount the fact that I did get to face Randy Johnson. His, you know, his fastball had ticked down, but he was still very difficult. But, yeah, those. Those two are certainly the best lefties that I ever faced. And I would put Clayton, you know, up there with. With an all time, Obviously, you know, this body his career was. It has been incredible. And he's still doing it. And, you know, a great guy. You know, I got a chance to know him off the field and spend some time with him and just an incredible human and just, Just, you know, really happy for him. 3,000, like I said, 3,000 career strikeouts. The longevity that it takes, the health, the work, and then the, you know, the ability to strike out 3,000 batters in the major leagues. Some of these records, you know, as far as now that everybody is starters are only going five innings and you know, two times through the order. This sort of new look at starting pitching. I be hard to think that somebody, you know, that might be one of those numbers that nobody really gets.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, no, there's. We're not gonna have another 300 game winner. Right. And he's the 20th pitcher to have 3,000 strikeouts. And it seems very unlikely that in the current landscape of baseball we ever get to that again.
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Stacey Vanek Smith
Yeah, I mean there's, there's several of these numbers. You start looking at, you know, kind of the way the game is trending, that we. Very difficult, you know, for anybody to ever get to again.
- [51:18]
Doug Gottlieb
I did want to ask you about Jacob Mizrowski, the. He's the 67 rookie with the brewers who had just been mowing everybody down and then, you know, ran into some trouble the other night against, against the Mets. One of the things I love is when, and I've asked you about this, about people's swings, but also about people's stuff and whether or not it lasts. Does, does he last? Obviously he just had one game where people. Other than that, he's just been completely dominant, but it's very, very early. What are your thoughts on the longevity of a Mizrowski?
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Stacey Vanek Smith
Yeah, I mean, I think that when you look at his stuff, I think certainly, you know, when you're pitching at the 100 mile an hour and then, and then a little bit over your margin for error is bigger than everybody else's, it's very difficult to score up 100. And if you looked at the stats, I think, you know, they did hit two homers back to back homers, I think off of them. But there's not a lot of homers hit on 100 mile an hour plus fastballs. And so that's, that's certainly an advantage for a young pitcher that, you know, you can make more mistakes and guys tend to foul them off or not have, you know, swing through some of the mistakes you make in the middle of plate when you throw that hard. Really, you know, to me the longevity of it is to see if, you know when it's when his velo comes down a little bit or as he, as he pitches in a long season in the major leagues and there's days where you don't feel great and you're not pitching in the 100 mile an hour range and you have to figure out ways to get guys out when you don't have your best fastball. I think that's the true test of longevity. And whether or not you have a chance to be one of the all timers or you certainly have the ability and you look at his size and body type is what you would want. When you look at starting pitchers and guys that really throw the ball with, with a lot of velocity but don't have to do a ton to do that, like it comes out pretty easy. He's always been a hard thrower. And so again I think it goes back to how he can execute his off speed pitches and then, you know, whether he can really come up with, you know, command that when you don't have your best fastball, can you still get outs? And those were the great things the greats can do is they can figure out different ways to get you out even when their stuff is tired or not quite what it usually is. And so that to me is the true test of a guy that is in it, you know, going to be a great pitcher for the long haul.
- [53:45]
Doug Gottlieb
You look at top the home run race in major league Baseball and there's some of the usual, you know, suspects, right? Ohtani's there, judges there, Schwaber's there. But then you got Kyle Raleigh, who's leading the world in home runs and he's got as many now as he has in full seasons in his career. How sustainable is this, especially for a guy who's playing every day as a catcher?
- [54:10]
Stacey Vanek Smith
Yeah, I mean it's been very impressive. I think, you know, people, Seattle is not a good home run park. And for him to be doing this in Seattle as a catcher, I mean he's had some amazing home run per at bat numbers in previous seasons for a catcher. So I think it is a little bit, you know, I think how many he has already is eye opening. But I think when you look at, you know, like some of the numbers per bat that he's had in his past, you know, it's not totally surprising that he's hitting a bunch of home runs. But I do think it's worth recognizing that in Seattle as a catcher, he's doing some amazing things. So it'll be interesting to see I think moving forward. Doug, when you have a guy with this kind of home run prowess, do you continue to catch him in the long term and possibly wear him down a little bit or do you start to look at more of whether he can transition to a few more dhs and first base type situations where you really optimally take advantage of the idea that he could hit 50 homers a year if he's rested and, you know, playing more games. So I think that's something to think about. But it's been really cool as far as just to watch. And obviously has a great nickname when you call somebody the Big Dumper. And he's totally fine with it. I can get on board with rooting for a guy like that.
- [55:41]
Doug Gottlieb
Big Dumpers and all timer. Big Dumpers and all timer. Well, listen, man, have a happy fourth. Always love listening to talk about baseball. And we'll keep our fingers crossed that that Ethan doesn't have to. Doesn't have to be the other brother not selected number one overall in. In a week and a half. We'll talk soon, man.
- [55:58]
Stacey Vanek Smith
Okay, sounds good. Thanks, Doug.
- [56:00]
Doug Gottlieb
All right, that's Matt Holliday, good friend and 15 year all star. 15 year major leaguer, seven time all star, four time silver slug and World Series champion in 11 with the St. Louis Cardinals.
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