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Jonas Knox
On the latest episode of Next Question with me Katie Couric. I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you like they will punch back. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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LaVar Arrington
Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox SP Radio. Better watch what you say.
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Greg McElroy
You gotta make good decisions.
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Colin Cowherd
It is the Herd. Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. You can listen to this show as always on the iHeartRadio app and you can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country as we take you all the way up until noon Eastern time or excuse me, at 3 o' clock Eastern Time, noon Pacific here on FSR. So we opened up the show talking about the feel good moment in Los Angeles with Clayton Kershaw getting Strikeout 3000 and then the reality of waking up and realizing you're also probably a Laker fan, which sucks, but again, you know, is what it is. That being said, we now turn over to somebody else in the world of football who knows a thing or two about dysfunction. That would be none other than Nebraska head coach Matt Rule, your former teammate at Penn State. La Bar. You guys, yeah, you guys were real nice to him in practice.
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Greg McElroy
I'm sure we had a good time with Matt. Matt was a special teams guy. He was a special situations person. Yeah, super, super intelligent football player. Again, I credit him with a lot of things that I learned as a freshman. How, you know, I knew how to study film to a certain degree, I knew how to take notes to a certain degree. In high school I had pretty good program I had came from. But when I got to college, I realized very quickly how much of the educational part of football was involved in terms of the studying, being able to know what to look for, you know, being able to break down what it is that, that the offense is doing and how you need to apply that to you and your information and your notes. Matt, Matt Rule did an excellent job of sitting with me and us learning that, you know, my freshman year there was his last year there, but turns out it translated into him being a really, really fine football coach as well through, through the year.
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Colin Cowherd
So he was talking with Greg McElroy on the always College Football Podcast and he says that the experience probably makes him more ready for what the new experience of college football is like.
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LaVar Arrington
I think the biggest Thing you learn.
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Greg McElroy
When you're in the NFL is really valuation.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, like before, you know, college.
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Greg McElroy
Football was like, yeah, I think he's a player.
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LaVar Arrington
Let's offer him, let's take him.
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Colin Cowherd
You get to the NFL, they're all good players.
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Greg McElroy
You know, it's just, hey, what's the financial value we're willing to put on this person and put on this position? And every year in the NFL, you go to free agency and you see.
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Colin Cowherd
Teams walking away from illegal players because.
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LaVar Arrington
Of their contract situation.
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Colin Cowherd
So that was Matt Rule talking about the contractual similarities now, all of a sudden, between the NFL and in college football. And it is, it does. I do wonder if him having that time there in the league makes him more ready for it from that standpoint to where it's now not just your typical, well, do you want to go recruiting now? The money aspect being brought into it, maybe it makes those conversations and how he evaluates players and what they can and can' maybe it makes that a little bit more, I guess, a little bit more accustomed to him. Just based on that time he had in Carolina, in the NFL, I mean.
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Greg McElroy
I would assume that that would be the reason why Bill Belichick went, went to North Carolina is, is that we are stepping into a brave new world of what the NFL represents. I mean, excuse me, what college football represents. And you do have to figure out what the value is on the position, you know, on the skill level, on the influence. There are a lot of elements that are now in play. I, I would say it's. It's a. Probably a little bit more complex and a little bit more complicated than just looking at it from the scope of what, what happens in the NFL, other than you having to figure out how much to pay and, and evaluating based off of what the pay would be versus evaluating. If I want to give this guy a scholarship, if you, if we want him to play on the, the, the field as a starter in one of the offensive or defensive groups versus special teams. It's just very different. I think the reason why it would be more complex, Jonas, is from the standpoint of the transfer portal, is what really to me makes it very interesting. We just had the conversation too, not too long ago, not too long ago about the suing. Now we have one university sue another university based upon taking. Was in Miami, took a player from Wisconsin. Wisconsin. Okay. They felt like the player owed them whatever it is he owed them based off of the contract that he signed. So until elements like that get cleared up, where the legalities of what's taking place at the college level and how that works and who you're, you know, I bet, I guess basically who your rights belong to. Now, yes, you do have an advantage over most likely college coaches because they don't understand most likely, you know, salary caps and free agency and how that all works. But there's still a learning curve that's there because of the lack of, of structure and the lack of established rules on what the engagements are, what's a do, what's a, don't you know, what's breaking the rule, what isn't. There is a lot of gray area that still exists at the college level. And I think that it makes it very difficult for coaches and administrators like athletic directors. You know, you're talking about $20 million, I believe that they get yearly. But that's for all sports. It's not just for one sport. So now you got to figure out a salary cap, but you got to figure out what that salary cap represents for all of your sports. I think Penn State has like something like 800 plus student athletes in their school. So there's a lot that has to be figured out. But now you start to break it down by sport and obviously you're at, you're hiring gms, you're, you're hiring head of staffs that, that are now, you're now structuring the football programs more like pro teams. And I would say that's probably where Matt Rule is probably talking about outside of just evaluation, having maybe somewhat of a, an in terms of how he runs his team.
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Colin Cowherd
And I would also say based on his time in the NFL with Carolina, at least he's got a pretty good example of how not to do things because that place was a complete clown show. And what he went through at Carolina or where he, David Tepper brings him in. There was some interest from the Giants. Matt Rule gets a seven year deal from the Panthers. Then all of a sudden all the conversations, the whispers start to, you start up. The David Tepper is getting involved. He's meddling into things, he's running. And Matt Rule even said before the season, before he was fired, listen, I signed a seven year deal. I was told by David basically put David Tepper on blast. Like, hey, I was told by the owner that I'm going to be given a significant amount of time to get this thing sorted out. I'm working with that understanding going into all this. And then, you know, however long it was later, then he was gone. I wonder if Matt Rule goes back to college. With a better understanding of the salary cap, the structure, but also a better understanding of whatever I do. I don't want it to turn into what I came from in the NFL. Like, he's got, he's got to be. I would imagine he draws from that experience of exhibit A, how things could go sideways if you let it get out of control above you.
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Greg McElroy
Well, you know what's interesting, interesting point to that is, is that when it's the pros, people have no problem doing coverage and scrutinizing the dysfunction of ownership or of the front office. It almost seems as though that's what's going to eventually take shape and take hold at the college level.
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Colin Cowherd
Probably. Yeah.
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Greg McElroy
You've never really heard, like, oh, the dysfunction of the president of the university, the AD of the university, or all those different things. So you'd have to assume in this brave new world of N and how things are being handled at the college level, that if you're dealing with a dysfunctional organization, university front office, ads, administrators, whatever it may be, if you're dealing with that type of dysfunction, I wonder, will that become prevalent and will that create more pressure on the universities and how they're not only hiring their athletic directors, but ultimately how they're hiring the presidents and the people that administratively are running the school?
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Colin Cowherd
It's all, it's almost like now that money involved, oh, open season on everybody. Oh, like now, now that we know that people are getting paid, players admitted, now that we know all of that, everybody's going to be held to the same standard that you've seen from a professional level.
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Greg McElroy
You could play that. This is an academic institution game all you want. You're going to find your academic institution ass out on the street looking for a job. You got to figure it out. Because that is, that has been the cash cow for these universities for many, many moons. And if you mess that up now because you don't. You know, it's always been really easy to minimize. Even like when I play for Joe Paterno. Joe minimized athletics, he minimized athletes because it was more about being a student. It was more about education. It's like, ah, who cares? We play the game, we win the.
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Colin Cowherd
Game, we lose the game.
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Greg McElroy
But they got class on Monday. They, they gotta turn in their, their papers, like they gotta get good grades. Like it was always about academics.
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Colin Cowherd
What if you made a mistake? Get him out of there.
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Greg McElroy
Hey, hey, I put you on the.
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Colin Cowherd
Bus that I brought you here on.
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Greg McElroy
Get him out of here anyway. But, but here's my Point, the point is, is that you cannot hide behind the, the moniker of this is a place in an institution of higher learning and education. You can't hide behind it. You certainly have to have it. The prestige of going to a fine college in an institution of learning, higher learning is very attractive. But make no mistake about it. You will not be any, in any position as a head of school, president of the school board of trustees, whatever it is. You are not in a place where you can minimize athletics and try to suppress what athletics represents to what the, the, the earning capacity of what it represents to the university and in some cases to the state. You can't minimize it now because it is now being turned into a, a very, very pro like approach. And now people are going to be in a very, very quick rush, a quick movement to try to figure out what the solutions are, what are, what are even the, the, the positions, the appointment of new jobs that have to be created in order to be able to handle this. You're going to have to have capologists, you're going to have to have GMs, you're going to have to, you're going to have to have scouts, like, and they already have scouts.
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Colin Cowherd
Mike. Michael Lombardi, Michael Lombardi's Belichick.
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Greg McElroy
College is. There's a lot there. There's a lot. There is a lot here. And hearing what Matt Rule has to say, it's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of all of the conversations that are going to continue to come up and become like what. What are the main topics of conversations as it applies to this new world of what sports represent at the college level?
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Colin Cowherd
Do you mean to tell me as we sit here right now on the 3rd of July, 2025 that the term student athlete no longer means the same thing?
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Greg McElroy
No, it doesn't. It doesn't because you don't have to. Everybody that understands going to college and playing the game, that was a politically correct way of expressing what you were as a scholarship player. You had to say it. I am a student athlete. And, and while it is still not a pay for play model in, in college, it is still not pay for play, the one term that they have to get used to. And it's going to have to be embraced and it's going to lead to a whole lot of different things. Organizing unions and having union reps and, and maybe it leads to collective bargaining agreements and all kinds of stuff like that is employee is employee and that's what's going to be interesting. How quickly does the the college level get to the place of where it is comfortable saying that these are employees, meaning if they are employees, you're talking about retirement, you're talking about insurance. You're taught all the things that come along with being employee they are going to have to figure for and they're going to have to have the resources and the funds to put towards those things. Once it becomes a real thing that college athletes are not student athletes, just student athletes. They are students, they are athletes and they are employees. Once you get those three put together and the understanding of that is realism. Real, Real. Realized. Realized.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Greg McElroy
Let's speak for a. Once the, the realization of that comes to fruition, there is going to be so many people, lawyers, you know, financial planners, you name it. There's going to be. So there's even private, private family offices, investors, major investors. They are now looking at the college space the same way that they are looking at the pro space. There are people that are actually trying to purchase the rights of the school. It's outside of the Lear fields and the play flies and stuff like that. There are actually private equity groups that are trying to purchase schools. In other words, what it is that the sports represents, they're trying to purchase the rights to that so that they can use that as a place to place their money. This is a very deep rabbit hole that has been created. And I don't see the bottom of it. I don't see the bottom of it just yet. It's still just black. It's just darkness. You don't see the bottom like, oh, there's the floor of this nil. There's the floor of this new, new college, college world. You don't see it yet. There's still so much more to be defined. I mean, what does that look like for liability? You know, what type of lawsuits are going to come from, you know, the athletes that are playing, like, what type of rights do they have? How does this impact Title nine, like with women's involvement and them having fair opportunity to be treated equally, how do all of these things happen? Do you stay with the ncaa? How strong does the NCAA stay? There are a lot of different conversations, a lot of different lanes, a lot of different roads where all of these things have to be discussed and have to be flushed out and, and established. And it isn't going to be anytime soon. And these athletes are tasked with trying to navigate it as athletes to a new space. And so are the coaches and so are the administrators of these schools.
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Colin Cowherd
It's the herd here. FOX Sports Radio LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin coming up next here on the show. Could we be on the brink of a major trade in the NFL? We'll get the answer to that for you right here on FSR.
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LaVar Arrington
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg McElroy
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg McElroy
Whoa, whoa, whoa. What the hell are you doing in our studio?
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Colin Cowherd
Get him, Paulie. Ignore that fool. Listen to the Paulie and Tony Fusco show on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.
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Greg McElroy
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Colin Cowherd
It's a herd here. Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. You can hear us weekday morning, 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 clock Pacific here on many of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates, normally alongside Brady Quinn. Brady Quinn is not with us here. So when Lavar and I fill in and it's just him and I doing the show, we like to refer to ourselves as Black and Drac.
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Greg McElroy
Don't get nervous. I ain't don't get nervous.
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Colin Cowherd
It's because I'm afraid. It's because I'm pale and I'm dark. So welcome in to the debut edition of Black and Drac, here in for Colin and company on the herd. What up, Sticks?
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Greg McElroy
Good morning. Oh, well, good afternoon. Good. Good noon to some people.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's very interesting.
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Greg McElroy
Good morning to you. Good morning to everyone out here.
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Colin Cowherd
It is very interesting seeing the light of seeing actual human beings walking by the studio, having energy running through your.
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Greg McElroy
Body because you're fully awake.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't even need this coffee. It's just a prop.
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Greg McElroy
I mean, for certain. Damn, I've already had two cups before I left the house and sleep.
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Colin Cowherd
So first off, want to say Congratulations. Clayton Kershaw, 3,000 strikeouts. It was quite the scene at Dodger Stadium. Yeah, no kidding. Lot of, lot of throwing lots of scenes last night at Dodger Stadium. Clayton Kershaw gets strikeout 3000 against the White Sox. The Dodgers were trailing. He did not look great. Probably, probably the, the worst he's looked since he's come back from the injury and the rehab and all that. But nonetheless, it was about the moment in the career of Clayton Kershaw. He gets strikeout number 3,000 and then they go on to walk it off in the ninth because Freddie Freeman does it again. So it was quite the scene there for the LA Dodgers at Dodger Stadium. Dodger fans were thrilled. Now, from one fan base and one organization that is legitimate championship contenders and defending world champions to another team in town that is not.
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Greg McElroy
Oh, geez.
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Colin Cowherd
Los Angeles Lakers. Yeah, take your pick.
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Greg McElroy
Hey, talk about different balls in the air. Which one you want to catch, man, there's still some up in the air. You chose to catch the Lakers.
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Colin Cowherd
You want to talk about a wild turn of events? It's like the movie when Steven Seagal was in a coma and he wakes up after eight years. He's like, what the hell happened? How did everything change? I woke up this morning and all of a sudden I like rub my eyes and I'm looking around going, oh, so Deandre Ayton's the linchpin to a championship contender. Okay, I had no idea. This is news to me. Is it? But apparently he is.
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Greg McElroy
I ain't gonna lie. I'm. I'm in on that.
- [27:17]
Colin Cowherd
DeAndre Aiden.
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Greg McElroy
Yeah, I'm in on that.
- [27:19]
Colin Cowherd
Which of the 40 games are better yet? Which of the 42 games he missed last year was your favorite? Is that an. I kind of like the. This whole thing is bananas.
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Greg McElroy
Bang, bang.
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Colin Cowherd
It is bananas.
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Greg McElroy
But apparently that stuff is like you can't measured the amount of games missed anymore in the NBA. That, that the, the idea of a disgruntled player, unhappy organization, the politics that play a part in missing games as a pro NBA player is very real. So I don't look at the amount of games that he missed last year and say he can't be the guy that, that we've seen him be when he was in Phoenix. I say, I look at a guy that was in a situation that didn't work out for him and didn't work out for the organization and now he's going somewhere else. And that's probably why you didn't see a lot of him this past season.
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Colin Cowherd
The problem I have with this is that this is the third stop now for deandre Ayton. He was in Phoenix, he goes to Portland now. He's with the Lakers.
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Greg McElroy
And a lot of people don't like Portland though.
- [28:32]
Colin Cowherd
Listen, you know what mean like I'm.
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Greg McElroy
Not going to hold Portland against, sorry, Portland, but I'm just not going to hold Portland against Aiden. I'm not.
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Colin Cowherd
Now the reason why I would say that there should be cause for concern is that there was reported issues in Phoenix. You know, work ethic, tardiness, all the things that come along with it. Attitude.
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Greg McElroy
Who are you talking about? Luca? Are you talking about DeAndre?
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Colin Cowherd
I'm talking about DeAndre.
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Greg McElroy
Oh, okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Luca's already been fat shamed enough. We're not going to go in that direction.
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Greg McElroy
I mean I was just making sure that we understood that maybe the Lakers are feeling like they're well versed and those type of guys.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, Nico Harrison was like Joe Clark. Dang Joe Clark in the movie talking to that kid who's overweight. He saw some slovenly sloppy boy go ahead and jump. You smoke crack, don't you Nico Ayers challenging Luca to jump off the building. You sloppily sloppy boy.
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Greg McElroy
You want to jump now? No, I want to play for the Lakers.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm sorry?
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Greg McElroy
I want to play for the Lakers. I don't want to do it anymore. I want to die.
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Colin Cowherd
So Nico Harrison was busy fat shaming Luka. Deandre Ayton was in Portland and according.
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Greg McElroy
To him, he's not fat. He just don't work hard, I guess. Real crack, don't you?
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Colin Cowherd
Thank you. That was Nico Harrison live on the, on the top of a building ready to throw Luka.
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Greg McElroy
That is not how Luka's losing the weight, people. So that is not what we're insinuating.
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Colin Cowherd
So deandre Ayton, according to an article from the New York Times that he. There were veterans were kind of fed up with him. He would show up late, he would miss team planes or be tardy to team planes. Just like the, just your typical, not really all that invested. Some people kind of viewed him as a bit of a clown there and it did not work and he was bought out. And so now he's a member of the LA Lakers. Now I would say this, it's an upgrade, right? It is an upgrade at the center position, but it's an upgrade much like sushi at a liquor store when you're hungry, it's food. I just don't know if that's the kind of food you want or if that's the kind of food that you would go, that's exactly what's going to get me through the rest of my day. I'm just skeptical. I still look at this team and I go, they are at best fourth, fifth in the conference. And considering the upgrade Houston made, what OKC just did, you've got Denver coming back. Minnesota you think will take the next step. I just, I don't know how this does anything different for the Lakers next year.
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Greg McElroy
I think it does. If the leadership quality is there for deandre Aiden and the scenarios that you are mentioning. I don't, I don't feel as though a can't get right because those are can't get right actions. If, if you feel as though coming into the scenario you have a good hold of understanding through, you know, your conversations with, with Aiden that those are things you can manage. I honestly believe as a player, when DeAndre Ayden is playing the game, he can be one of the more elite bigs in the game. And if you were to ask anybody who knows basketball and has paid attention to the Lakers, they've needed a big man. They needed a legitimate big man. And as we continue down this road of, of Preparing for post LeBron James era in LA, I think this is a good move. Now let me add this to it. Because I got this from my guy Cuffs, the legend, by the way, some dude show what up Cuffs? He comes on with us on Saturdays when we do up on game.
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Colin Cowherd
What up game?
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Greg McElroy
And he did call deandre Aiden going to the Lakers, by the way, before it happened in previous shows. And, and this is the latest that he's come up with. And I think that this is pretty spot on and on par for what could possibly take place with everybody getting what they want. I think the Lakers want to move on from LeBron James. I think LeBron James is okay with moving on from the Lakers if it serves his purpose, which is one, he's trying to get another championship, or two, to try to catch up with MJ and Kobe, and three, to make sure that his son's career isn't cut short. What would be the best solution to that? Well, let's, let's talk about it. If you put all of the elements together and you say, okay, what makes this work for LeBron James in this scenario, it would be most likely to go to a organization that still would, would approve of having him, would embrace having him, would support having him, which would lead to possibly him being able to package that up with bringing his son with him. There's a possibility of that. Unless within the buyout or, or the leaving of la, they would make sure they take care of Bronnie James in the event that he were to leave here. Those two elements. Right. But it would also be for him to go to a place where he A has a chance to win the championship, B, be with somebody that he's familiar with. If the New York Knicks hire Brown, right, if they hire Mike Brown. There is a relationship of respect and admiration between LeBron James and Mike Brown. Brown, they have history together. They go Back to when LeBron James first time in Cleveland, he was with them, they had a ton of great success. Mike Brown is a very well respected coach. If he were indeed, and in fact the coach that ended up being named the head coach of the New York Knickerbockers, is there a possibility, as close as that New York Knicks team is to competing for an NBA title, would that be the move? Mike Brown falls into place, Boom. First domino falls down. Is LeBron James the next domino in that, in that series of dominoes to fall, does he end up in New York? Great market. He goes from one major media market to the other major. The, the two bohemias, he goes to the other one. And we know that LeBron James has made a career of going to organizations that are close to winning championships or have won one. This Knicks team is close to a championship. It would be a familiar person in Brown. He would be able to integrate and, and, and get in there in a easy manner, a, A less stressful manner and make a difference for a team that was probably a LeBron James away from being able to make it at least to the championship round.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, it gets him closer for sure because the Eastern Conference is wide open.
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Greg McElroy
Well, there you go.
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Colin Cowherd
It's wide open because of all the injuries. And, and look, I've said it before on Fox Sports Radio, I believe Cleveland's in an advantageous spot because for a team that's run into injury, bad luck the past couple of years, everybody else ran into it this year and maybe Cleveland just by default becomes the healthiest team. And if Mike Brown does, you know, is finalized and that's the reports we're hearing that he's going to be the coach of the Knicks. Yeah. If you're LeBron and this is all about you getting to another NBA Finals to have another shot, the easier path would be the east by far, because in the Western Conference it ain't happening right now.
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Greg McElroy
And doesn't that bring you back to the conversation? We, it was just out there. Everybody was throwing this out there, ring chasing, ring chasing culture. Ring chasing culture. As if LeBron James was the creator of ring chasing culture. He's not, by the way. I don't think people should try to downgrade him that way. But ring chasing culture, if LeBron James were to leave and to go to a team like the New York Knicks, it's that. Does this, does this now begin to be the idea of you couldn't get it done in Cleveland, so you had to go to Miami. You eventually got it done in Miami and then you go back and then you get it in Cleveland, then you can't get it done in Cleveland anymore. So now you go and build a super team and you are able to get a bubble, a bubble championship in la. LA seems to have run its course now. If you go to New York, looking at what they got in Brunson, looking at what they got in, if they're going to keep Towns, which you would assume that they're going to keep, Carl Anthony Towns, you go join a team that actually is, is set and, and built to make a run for the championship, what does this do to LeBron James legacy? Because in, in all, in all due respect, LeBron James has had to go chase the rings elsewhere. It has never been bring the rings to him. And when you look at Kobe, they brought the rings to Kobe. When you look at mj, they brought the rings to mj. They didn't go somewhere else to go get it done with somebody else's main players and you integrated and maybe became the main player. They didn't do that with the Steph Curry didn't do that. The rings have come to where they are. LeBron James is, is widely considered arguably the greatest basketball player of all time and yet maybe be the may be the only one in the category of having to go chase the rings elsewhere.
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Colin Cowherd
First, I, I think it's pretty disrespectful to list off the accomplishments of LeBron James and not include the title.
- [38:28]
Greg McElroy
Oh, that's my bad.
- [38:30]
Colin Cowherd
That's rude.
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Greg McElroy
My bad. And enter that champions of the the in season tournament.
- [38:36]
Colin Cowherd
Now, I've heard from people that the ring he got in the bubble wasn't actually a ring. It was a gold covet mask. Again, I don't know and I'm not trying to sped any negativity. Yeah, I'm not trying to spread any sort of negativity out there, but I just think he is what he is at this point and what if I don't think that there's anything that he could do to either jump above Jordan or move off anybody else's list. Like you feel about LeBron, how you feel about him. And if this is all about I want to go chase another championship, it's going to come down to him looking at the landscape of the Western Conference and trying to figure out is that the best way to do it? Me personally, I don't think it is. I think there's way too many obstacles in the way and way too many better teams. I think if he's going to do it, but it's going to be out East, I just don't know. Depending on what they're going to ask in return. If the Knicks look at that and go, is it really worth one year potentially of LeBron and everything that comes along with it?
- [39:36]
Greg McElroy
He took his option. He took his option and he's getting older. What exactly are you going to ask for in trying to get a hold of LeBron James? And if that value is so high that it is a, a scoff at it and, and turn and walk away from it, then why are you getting rid of them? If his value to you is still that high, why are you getting rid of them?
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Colin Cowherd
Look, I think if you're the Lakers and you're planning on moving on with them, moving on from him after a year. Just do it now.
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Greg McElroy
Do it now.
- [40:11]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [40:11]
Greg McElroy
Like I make it and make it doable.
- [40:14]
Colin Cowherd
I. I'm with you.
- [40:15]
Greg McElroy
Don't, don't try, don't try to rob the whole hen house. If you know your intentions are to get him out of there, if you want to get him out, then make it a doable situation. Make it a doable deal. And for what it's worth, if you felt like you got duped by bringing in his child, you could get a two for one or yo daddy, yo daddy did this. Now you got to go right along with him. Which, by the way, how do you handle that? Like if, if Bronnie James has to go because his daddy left, how will the media handle that? That's a whole nother conversation in itself. God.
- [40:55]
Colin Cowherd
What do you you would find out a lot about LeBron James's reputation in town if they traded him and then immediately after trading him, they made Bronnie the custodian. Like that would be you'd find a hell of a lot about wasn't looking.
- [41:08]
Greg McElroy
For that plot twist, but that was.
- [41:10]
Colin Cowherd
A hell of a twist. All of a sudden they're like, hey, here's, here's a mop and a bucket.
- [41:14]
Greg McElroy
He could say he of the LA Lakers.
- [41:19]
Colin Cowherd
I mean, I mean, all the perks.
- [41:21]
Greg McElroy
If he gets to sit on the bench, but he's cleaning toilets and cleaning floors during the week, making sure there's no dust on the floor for practice. He's still considered to be an employee of the LA Lakers.
- [41:33]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's the whole thing is a bit bizarre, but nonetheless, it is the Herd here on fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin as we take you all the way up until 3 o' clock Eastern Time, noon Pacific. Up next here on the Herd, though, there's one team in the NFL that feels great about everything going into next year, but maybe they shouldn't find out why. Right here on fsr. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am.
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Colin Cowherd
It's the Herd. Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin. Now. You normally hear Lavar and I alongside Brady Quinn weekday morning, 6:00am Eastern Time, 3:00 clock Pacific on something called two pros and a Cup of Joe, which you can hear on many of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates. But a couple of things have changed. One, we're in this time slot. Two, Brady Quinn's not with us and so. Whoa, whoa.
- [46:39]
Greg McElroy
That's clear.
- [46:40]
Colin Cowherd
Well, not with us today.
- [46:41]
Greg McElroy
And I didn't do anything to Brady Quinn, so y' all stop writing in his mother love acting like, what did lavar do to him? Like, like what? Like I'm gonna be violent towards.
- [46:50]
Colin Cowherd
Damn.
- [46:51]
Greg McElroy
Y' all need to stop that, man. But if Q hasn't made it a point to tell y' all why he's not on air.
- [46:57]
Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [46:58]
Greg McElroy
That's not on me or Jonas. You take that up with him.
- [47:02]
Colin Cowherd
Hey.
- [47:04]
Greg McElroy
Dead man walking. We gonna hit him with that with taps.
- [47:14]
Colin Cowherd
But Brady's out with us today. So when it's just lavar, we do something called Black and Dragon.
- [47:20]
Greg McElroy
I'm black.
- [47:20]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I'm very pale and he's drat. Lavar thinks I look like Dracula. Yeah. So with that said, we are off and running here. In hour three of the program, we opened up the show talking about the decision by the Los Angeles Lakers. Well, first we started off with a positive note. Clayton kershaw gets strikeout 3000 congratulations. Looked a little, looked a little suspect there for a while. He was getting lit up early. And then he ended up finding his. On the hundredth pitch. He ended up throwing his 3,000th strikeout. And the Dodgers came back to beat the White Sox, who are awful. Came back to beat the White Sox on a Freddie Freeman walk off in the ninth. So an amazing night at Dodger Stadium. Also, Max Muncie was injured on a slide. So that. Not great. And now we see what that could, could do for the Dodgers, how they, how that impacts their movement at the trade deadline, et cetera, et cetera. So kind of a wild night at Dodger Stadium, ball and all a historic night for Clayton Kershaw and then apparently a historic night for the Los Angeles Lakers who are all of a sudden NBA title contenders again because deandre Ayton. Because deandre Ayton means that the Los Angeles Lakers have now all of a sudden catapulted themselves up towards, up towards the upper echel, the National Basketball association because they went out and signed deandre Ayton. And look, I, I'm just saying I feel like we've got enough evidence here to have at least a little bit better read on the DeAndre Ayton NBA experience to know. Not exactly what everybody expected when he was taking number one overall in the draft, but apparently for the Lakers, this might make a lot of sense for them and at least it's an upgrade. I'm still not sold that it brings him any closer to a title, especially in the Western Conference with that gauntlet.
- [49:20]
Greg McElroy
In front of them. It's a, it's a fair conclusion to come to. It's a fair assessment to have, but nonetheless, the LA Lakers need help on the interior with their bigs and, and Guyton does or. Excuse me, what is it?
- [49:37]
Colin Cowherd
Aiden.
- [49:37]
Greg McElroy
Aiden. Aiden. Yeah, DeAndre. He. He. I think he fills that, that void. I really do. He has elite big ability. He could take a guy outside, he can dribble, he's a good rebounder, he can score. It wasn't the most productive of years for him in Portland, but again, I'm not, I'm not going to judge him off of Portland because I just. The things that I've heard about players in Portland, like with the whole. Whose buddy that just went to Milwaukee Bucks. What's his name?
- [50:15]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, Damien Lillard.
- [50:17]
Greg McElroy
Dame Lillard. Right. We just heard about how that kind of went north or went south and, and never came back.
- [50:24]
Colin Cowherd
Oh yeah. Portland stinks.
- [50:25]
Greg McElroy
A lot of people have had a lot of complaints about Portland. So I'm not going to hold deandre Ayton accountable all the way accountable for it not being more in Portland than what it ended up being. But this is an opportunity for him to go to an amazing market. He gets a two year deal. So if he plays really well and he plays at a high level, you got to assume that he's going to be rewarded. And, and so I think this is a great opportunity for him. I think it's also a great opportunity for the, the LA Lakers to continue what would perceivably be moves that make them stronger and build more around what they're going to do in the future with Luka Doncic than what it would look like having LeBron James on this roster.
- [51:17]
Colin Cowherd
Now, from one team, the Lakers, to another team, the Knicks, I mean, you know, pick a sideshow, any sideshow. Everybody, here we go. The New York Knicks are hiring Mike Brown as their head coach. Now two time coach of the year winner. You know, I spent years with two of the more stable and successful organizations in the league, San Antonio and Golden State. You look at the move, you look at the hire, you go, okay, makes a lot of sense. Like the hiring of Mike Brown, but why did it take so long? Like what was like, I feel like this is a move that could have been done shortly after the season pretty quickly and everyone would be like, all right, at least there's a clear understanding, clear direction. Instead, they just couldn't help themselves. They had to turn it into a circus. They could not stop themselves. They had to scratch the itch. It turned into what it turned into. They were rejected as they tried to interview everybody. Wasn't Don Staley's name brought up?
- [52:20]
Greg McElroy
There was a moment in time where they were going to interview Don Staley, the job and, and who is after her?
- [52:26]
Colin Cowherd
Deuce Staley. I'm just like, what are we doing.
- [52:29]
Greg McElroy
Here in terms of optics? What it, what do you. In terms of the New York Knicks? Would that have been how you think that would have been received? And let's just say, for the sake of saying, they ended up hiring Don Staley as the head coach of the New York Knicks. How do you think that would hit? Do you think that the sports world is ready for that type of a hire? I think that that would be an intriguing conversation to delve into and to talk about because she is a fine basketball coach. She knows how to motivate, she knows how to relate, she understands the game. She's got a great mental disposition, a mentality. The biggest concern and the biggest question to me would be, does that translate to. To men? And that would. Would be my, like, nobody has a problem when there's a male coach coaching a WNBA team. But how would that be accepted? The first woman to be an NBA head coach, and it being of the New York Knicks, historic, a historic franchise, how would that be perceived?
- [53:43]
Colin Cowherd
I just, like, they're trying to spin it, it as well. We gave a very thorough effort in looking.
- [53:50]
Greg McElroy
I mean, that's crazy. That's what they want.
- [53:53]
Colin Cowherd
You know, we were, we were thorough about the entire process. Like, no, you were looking to grab headlines. Let's just, let's be honest. You were looking to grab headlines. Otherwise, Mike, Mike Brown was the only guy that interviewed multiple times. The only one. Like, everything was a headline grabbing. Like Don Staley. You had all the other names that came out. Jay Wright's name was out. All these names popped up. You know, Danny Hurley's name was like, all of these names that were out there, ime, Udoka, all of these guys. It was never going to happen. They just wanted to grab headlines. They wanted to get talked about. They wanted everybody to talk about. It's like right when you think they're at least past all that, then you see them celebrate getting past the second round and you go, oh, it's still the nickel and dime Knicks. Okay, at least now we know. All right, at least now we know. Like, for a second there, you thought that they were back and a legitimate organization. And then you see the way they celebrate and the way they handled this whole thing. Like, oh, yeah, same old Nicks. Yeah, nickel and dime.
- [54:56]
Greg McElroy
I think the Don Staley conversation is an interesting conversation. I think another interesting topic line we discussed in hour one of the show is the idea that Mike Brown has a relationship with LeBron James. A lot of people are having the conversations that the time in LA has, has started to wind down quicker and, and that looking to possibly, you know, be in a different market could possibly take place for LeBron if he doesn't want to step away from the game. He accepted his. His contract extension from the Lakers, meaning that it doesn't seem like he has any intentions of not playing in next season. Mike Brown, Brown coached him his first, first stint and, and Cleveland, they had great success together. They didn't win it all, but they got very close, made it to the finals. And I think now the, the rumor mill will be out there. And this is something that, again, I got to give credit to my man Cuffs the legend, because I can't. I Can't take it as for me. But is there the possibility that now that Mike Brown has taken the job in New York, that is the first domino to fall fall and. And LeBron James being the next domino to fall, coming to New York and becoming a Nick. It would not be surprising if that were something that took place. Knowing that this New York Knicks team is very close. That's the reason why they went a different direction, which makes no sense to me that you would go in a different direction because you're so close to winning an NBA title, but they're so close to an NBA title title, and maybe they're one player away. I think they realized that they were probably one player away from being that next level, being able to get through to the Finals, and possibly had the opportunity, the chance to be able to win the finals. Is LeBron James the next domino in line to fall, to end up as a New York Knick?
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Colin Cowherd
What if The Knick said LeBron will trade for you, but you can't bring Bronnie. He's got to stay back.
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Greg McElroy
Do you think, again, I think there's two ways of looking at the Bronnie James situation, and you gave a interesting plot twist in an hour. One, but I'll say there's two ways. One, with J.J. redick, I do believe that. That LeBron James played a intricate role in him getting the gig.
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Colin Cowherd
I.
- [57:21]
Greg McElroy
Whether people want to say he didn't or he did, whether people want to debate it or they don't, don't. I don't care. They got J.J. redick. And I believe that LeBron James's influence is the reason why they. They then reward him with drafting his son in the draft and bringing him to the team. They kept him on the team, and he maintained his. His position. If they can ensure LeBron James that Bronnie is okay as a. As a. As a LA Laker, then I don't think he would have an issue. I don't think he would have an issue with leaving Bronnie behind in la, considering that his family's here, right? His little sister still here. Bryce, the little brother's still here. Mom would probably still be here. So LeBron going to New York, I don't think that that would be a deal breaker. They didn't want to take Bronnie with him. But I do think it would be an interesting conversation if Bronny James did, in fact, go with LeBron James, if he were to, in fact, go to New York to play for the Knicks.
- [58:27]
Colin Cowherd
And, you know, the Honest thing of the truth about all this and people listening right now on the blowtorch AM570LA sports, you know this is a fact and you can push back on it all you want. People are kind of tired of LeBron out here. They're kind of tired of it's run its course. We're good. Like if he wants to move on, you can move on. And fine. We got Luca. That was the real concern what was going to happen afterwards because the thought was it was going to be Anthony Davis who was going to be here after LeBron left. And then as we've learned to find out, you couldn't depend on Anthony Davis because of the injuries and all that and you just didn't know what you were going to get. At least now you've got in shape in his peak at his full potential. Luke is a top five player in the NBA and if you're Laker fans, I think you look at it and go LeBron, if you want to go that's fine. Well whatever. We can get back in return and then we just try and work towards the future. Because I don't know that anybody is honestly looking at this team as currently constructed and saying oh yeah, I take them against OKC, Houston, Denver, Minnesota, etc. So if you're the Lakers, yeah, it would make sense. If you're going to do it, do it now, get something in return and New York might be the spot to go to.
- [59:42]
Greg McElroy
All I will say is, is if.
- [59:44]
Colin Cowherd
He waves his no tray clause in.
- [59:45]
Greg McElroy
A slight, in a slight pushback because I think your points are well founded. I was saying a slight pushback. Adding DeAndre Eitan Eton, how you say? Ayton. Ayton. Adding him and his, his ability. Hate him. Adding him to your roster and having that down low presence. If he can get back to form that he had in that he had in Phoenix. I just really. I believe if you have LeBron James on this roster, him, Aiden and, and Luca and, and add. Fill in the blanks. However you like to fill in the blanks. I think that's a big three. Austin Reeves, I mean if he wants to stay. Yeah, Austin Reeves wants to stay. I mean yes, I, I really believe they could be a very, very talented team that would take us.
- [60:45]
Colin Cowherd
What's your problem with Austin Reese? I don't have.
- [60:47]
Greg McElroy
It's if he wants to stay.
- [60:49]
Colin Cowherd
Sally looks. Is that what it is?
- [60:51]
Greg McElroy
No. Didn't he, wasn't he like. Didn't he not sign his extension?
- [60:57]
Colin Cowherd
They offered him a deal but he's gonna wait and try and cash in for more next.
- [61:00]
Greg McElroy
Okay. I'm just saying, like, he didn't sign the deal. Deal. You know, I, I just, you know, to me, I think that if you did one more year with LeBron James, it, it wouldn't hurt. But I think the whole conversation on the ring chasing, you know, is, is LeBron James a ring chaser? And why should the answer be no? LeBron James is, is basically held in the balance of being the greatest of all time based around upon the count of rings he has. So if he's ring chasing, who cares? Okay, you're going to ring chase in New York. Is there a problem there? I don't know. I think he has a better chance of trying to win in New York right now today than what he would here in LA with the Lakers.
- [61:47]
Colin Cowherd
I'd agree. Easier path in the East.
- [61:49]
Greg McElroy
Easier path.
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Jonas Knox
On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you like they will punch back. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast casts.
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Colin Cowherd
Who are the 25 greatest football players to grace the gridiron since the year 2000 introducing NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and an all star cast of media personalities including Mina Kimes, Steve Wish, Kevin Harlan and more for a look at football's best since the turn of the century. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years, starting with on June 30 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jonas Knox
This is an iHeart podcast.