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Colin Cowherd
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BMW lets performance do the talking and the scouting report is in. Experience the all electric BMW IX and witness dedication in every detail. Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. We are live in Chicago. Wherever you may be, however you may be watching or listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. We got a great one today. Greg Cosell One hour from now, we're going to talk about Shador Sanders and J. Mac. I was thinking about this. I don't know how much more we're going to talk about, shoulder said. I don't. But there is something that has happened. When something crazy and unexpected happens, people look for answers. So you and I and people who cover the NFL over the last three or four days are trying to provide answers. And there was more yesterday from a Pittsburgh Post Gazette writer. Are you ready for it? I'm ready. Okay, so the Steelers by not drafting Shador Sanders. Remember, there's only about three teams we thought were going to take a quarterback in round one. Tennessee, the Giants, who were clearly not interested. Bad interview with Shador. And then Pittsburgh for sure. Cleveland by trading down told you they may get a backup but they're going to get their starting quarterback next year. Well, the Pittsburgh host Gazette writer yesterday told Rich Eisen that the Steelers were not looking at Shador Sanders. They were looking at backups like the LA Rams. The Steelers and Rams. This is what I told you I didn't buy. The Rams wanted Jackson Dart. They were interested. They thought Jackson Dart was interesting. But the Steelers, the Rams, the Browns, next year is the year they want the quarterback. This was a backup quarterback draft. So that's more information on Shador. Pittsburgh was never in the starting quarterback market. They wanted to get the roster ready for Aaron Rodgers draft a backup. That's why Aaron Rodgers kind of took their word for it but wanted to wait. But let me just say this. Can we stop with this narrative? It's the worst take and narrative happening in sports now. You know, the NFL just doesn't know what they're doing with quarterbacks. Timeout, let me tell you. First round quarterbacks currently in the NFL. Mahomes Lamar Burrow, Allen Herbert Stafford, Jaden Daniels, Aaron Rodgers, C.J. stroud, Jared Goff, Jordan Love, Kyler Murray, oh, by the way, Baker and Sam Darnold. Not to mention Drake May looks really good. Bo Nix looks really good. Caleb Williams is really talented. That doesn't even count the Pro Bowler Tua, who I'm not a huge fan of almost all. Ooh ooh. Jalen Hurts fell to the second. Yeah, he got benched in college. He had to transfer. He's smaller than average and still not a great pocket quarterback. If you listen to Greg Cosell, who I trust, the truth is in my life, overwhelmingly, Bradshaw, Aikman, Peyton, Marino, overwhelmingly, Mahomes, Lamar, they've all been first round picks. It's not easy to do this, but stop making Shedeur and Deion Sanders the victim here. They're not. It's all really explainable. Shador didn't hire an agent. Big mistake. He just listened to his dad. Bigger mistake. Deion had the talent to sandbag interviews. Shador doesn't. So yes, Brock Purdy fell to the seventh, but he was one in six against playoff teams last year when many of his stars weren't healthy. And nobody thinks Brock Purdy is an elite world class Josh Allen athlete. He's not close. Yes, Joe Montana went in the third round, but he doesn't win those Super Bowls without the greatest offensive coach in the history of the league. Bill Walsh and Brady got a bunch of Super Bowls and he went in the sixth round. And he doesn't win all those early Super Bowls without the greatest coach slash defensive coach in league history, Bill Belichick. It's all explainable, okay? In my life, the best quarterbacks have overwhelmingly been in the first round. Here's the other thing to consider is that young men personnel is hard. But. But judging young men at 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 is hard. Boys mature more slowly than girls. Baker Mayfield I didn't think was ready at the time to be a franchise quarterback. He is now. This is hard in the NBA. Best player in the NBA is Jokic. He was a second rounder. Best defensive player ever. Is Draymond, second rounder. The Knicks best player, Jalen Brunson, second rounder. It's hard. Young men mature more slowly. Frontal lobe brain stuff. And it's tough. People miss all the time. And by the way, it's not just quarterback Max Crosby, Puka Nakua. It's hard. You just don't know. Yes, she doer was underdrafted in my opinion. I would have taken him if I was Pittsburgh, but I didn't know Pittsburgh had an Aaron Rodgers deal. The story in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, they were never really interested. They're not going to take a quarterback, a starting quarterback this year. So listen, take a deep breath. You can't sandbag interviews. You can't do it. You can't not hire an agent. You can't not work out at the combine. You can't have, let's be honest, a cringy draft room with legendary all over it. If you're a B prospect in a really weak quarterback draft. Greg Olson yesterday, as he's shown at two different spots in colleges that he could go to teams that didn't necessarily have a great tradition of winning and turn the program around and bring attention and energy and buzz. Absolutely. He did it twice. So I'm not, I'm not throwing him yet. I'm not throwing him to the wolves and saying he has no career. But I think he needs to take a good hard reset and say, you know what? It's all about ball. It's all about me giving myself to have a chance to have a career in this league. And if it's as a backup and then I work to a starter, whatever that path is. But the league I think has shown and the message was pretty clear, you better be really, really talented, especially at quarterback if we're going to put up with a lot of other attention, a lot of other things and he's just not that talented. That talented. Okay, so Knicks, Pistons. I thought, I thought it would be an ugly series, but I thought the Knicks would win in five. I still think the Knicks are going to win this series, but we have to be honest, five points separates these teams through five games last night. Look at the box score, field goal percentage, rebounds, three point percentage points in the paint, assists. These are pretty even teams. I think the Knicks are a little better, but they gave up five first round picks to get Mikhail Bridges and they thought that would be the difference. He's a good player. But here's a problem. The Knicks were built to. They wanted to build this thing to beat the Celtics and then something happened. Jayson Tatum went from an A minus to an A plus. And Peyton Pritchard went from nine a game to to the best bench player in the league. So Boston was already better. And two of their players popped, like Brunson and Jason Tatum. Those are different level players. Okay? No GM in the league, given a choice, would take Brunson. And I love him too. Right? So it's like what we're seeing with Cleveland and Boston. They're good players, very good players. Like Boston's two player, Payton Pritchard, nine a game. Peyton Pritchard now is a threat every time he touches the ball. Mikhail Bridges. Same player. OG Pretty much. Same player Josh Hart, kind of. Same player. Brunson. Good. Same player. Cat can't defend, Great offense. Same player. Boston was better. And Tatum has exploded. Arguably the best player in the entire playoffs. And Peyton Pritchard's become the best bench guy in the league. So, you know, and the Knicks have always been a little like Texas football, where brand is big, college football and the NBA are better. When those teams are great, they're fascinating, you can't take their eyes off. And they've been in wildly historic playoff games. But since 1980, the Longhorns have one trophy and since 1974, the Knicks have none. So I think the Knicks should be front and center on the honest trade. And Yanis is getting moved. That was a mess. We called that one. We liked the Pacers quickly. That series was a mess. But I think the Knicks built this pot. You don't give away five first round picks from Mikhail Bridges unless you think that's going to get us right up next to the Celtics. And the Celtics exploded. Jayson Tatum exploded. Peyton Pritchard exploded. And so I don't think they're close. I mean, again, the Knicks are a really good team with a bunch of good players. The Celtics now have a superstar. It took Ant Edwards, I think, until this playoff run and we all went, oh, oh, oh, oh. He arrived. And Jason Tatum's been an A minus player for years. Didn't have the confidence. You watch this series, you watch this season, okay? Jason Tatum's a different player. He plays with a confidence we were all hoping he would three and a half years ago. He's playing with it now with all his talent. So I think it's just one of these things. The Knicks and Pistons, I mean the Pistons a year ago were in a rebuild. The Knicks thought Mikhail Bridges was the difference. And they're even. And I've said this, there's a certain clarity and give Detroit credit. They're playing their butt off. Kate Cunningham's amazing. Good for them. It's cool. I grew up with a lot of Pistons basketball teams being great, from Bob Lanier and Dave Bing to the, you know, the bad boys, all that stuff. Give them credit. But these teams were supposed to have a gap one year ago, one's rebuilding and six months ago somebody's bringing on Mikhail Bridges to be the to beat the Celtics. And they're just really even. Here's Jalen Brunson after we gotta go there with the mindset to win.
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Greg Cosell
As simple as that.
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J. Mac
Regardless of how we feel, whatever, tomorrow.
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Colin Cowherd
We gotta turn the page. I think I said this before, if it's a win or it's a loss, it's short term memory in the playoffs because you gotta come back the next day and figure out what we gotta do to win the next one. Listen, New York is a big, loud, emotional city and they fell in love with this team and that's awesome. But don't fall in love with this roster. It's just a lot of good players and look at how good SGA Jokic, here comes Wimby. Ant and Tatum have exploded good in 2025 and very good is not good enough. You can love a team, two things can be true. You can love Bronson, but if he's your one, after watching Ant and Tatum this year, that's not going to hoist a trophy. And for the record, a lot of people, I think I may be one of them. I think Cleveland may beat Boston. I mean, they look unbelievable. At least Orlando hung around games for a half. J. Mac, I know you grew up a Knicks fan. I know this is painful for you. I'll tell you the other thing, the other series, which is fascinating and I think we knew it would be close. Clippers, Nuggets. We have to be honest here. Russell Westbrook has been huge for Denver. He's been great. Huge. I poured my kids some milk in their cereal this morning and James Harden was on the side of the milk carton because he's missing right now. Clippers have no idea where he is. He didn't show up last night. But great point by Brunson. Just lack of urgency from the Knicks last night. Colin. I was devastated, man. I wanted them to wrap it up and get ready to go play the Celtics this weekend. And now you got to go back to Detroit. That place is going to be juiced up. I, I don't feel great about the Knicks right now. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, you know, a year ago you would have never guessed these two teams would have been close. After they got Mikhail Bridges, you're like, they're not going to beat Boston, but they can take them six. Yeah. And then Tatum and Pritchard, you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Boston has separated from the Knicks, so you don't have to go back to the drawing board, but you should probably put your name in for Giannis. Make, make a run for sure at Giannis. Okay. Coming up, we got a lot of things to talk about. One of them is Russell Westbrook. I mean, I've been as critical as anybody. That dude deserves a ton of credit. He was in the first half last night. Essential for Denver. Westbrook deserves love. And the other thing is a very respected voice in NBA media calls out Luka and he's right next in the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. The NBA 82 game grind is done. And now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs are here and they're huge. And it's time for the all high stakes drama, clutch moments and jaw dropping plays. 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J. Mac
So we all made mistakes, right? But owning up to them? It's the right thing to do. But we all know Degree Cool Rush deodorant well last year formula and it did not go over well with the fans. Degree's whole thing. It turns up sweat and other protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring back the OG formula. One guy even started an online petition and Degree listen, they admitted they effed up and are bringing back that OG Cool Rush sent back and it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back at Walmart, Target and other stores for under $4. There's a reason why it's been the number one men's antiperspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people are not happy when the recipe was changed. So listen, if you've never tried, it might be a good time to try. See what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart or Target and try the OG Degree Cool Rush for yourself.
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Colin Cowherd
At the end of the season, there's only one team that can call themselves NBA champs. Only one player that can call themselves the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's only one electric SUV worthy of the title. The ultimate. The all electric BMW ix. What I love about the IX is that it delivers legendary BMW performance while its sleek design exudes innovative Style from the inside out. Not to mention how much space and utility it provides. Over 75 cubic feet of cargo space. The IX is completely changing the game. With an all electric suv. The greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of the game. So why would you settle for anything less from your suv? After all, there's only one ultimate the BMW ix. Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine. Electrified. All right, welcome back. So you know the Luka Doncic trade. I've said this about the media and I can be guilty of this. I try not to do this, but we become an Avalanche and nobody grabs a shovel. Like everybody just jumps on the Avalanche to bury people and GMs. But I said from day one on Luca, he's a much better version of Carmelo Anthony, who is a lopsided player as his Luca, all offense, no defense, not in great shape. I would have considered for the right package moving off Luca, who they were going to have to pay 70 million plus a year. So Zach Lowe is a really outstanding NBA analyst. Excellent. Works for the ringer. He's being upfront and honest about the reality Laker fans are now realizing with Luka. Why do you have to get humiliated at the beginning of every single playoff series before you show the world like, yeah, I can actually put in a little bit more of an effort on defense. I'm just tired of like, I'm going to be embarrassed until our backs are against the wall and then I'm going to show you that, yeah, I can put up a little bit of a fight. How about you put up a fight in like game one of the second round and now you're down three one and you're probably going home. And that's the thing. Kareem in his prime got traded. So did Babe Ruth and Wayne Gretzky and Wilt. Joe Montana got traded. Okay, Lu Alcindor. I mean, Milwaukee got a boatload of picks, but it's like guys, people get traded. So it was the return or lack thereof that was truly egregious. I said, if you gave me ad, you gave me Austin Reeves and three or four first round picks. Oh, I'd sleep on it. Because guys who are not in great shape. Luca age more quickly. Westbrook actually feels like he's getting better in this series against the Clippers. He's in impeccable shape. LeBron's lasting forever. Brady lasted forever. In a sport, you get tackled. Luka had missed back to back camps. Here's an interesting stat the staff found this morning. Luca's rookie year he had 25 dunks last two years combined he's had two. There's a decline and a lot of it is he's just not in great shape. There is reason for pause if you have to pay him $75 million because MJ in his prime got you trophies. LeBron in his prime got you guaranteed to the Finals. Luke in his prime, he's going to get your buckets and give up just about as many on some nights. And I've said this about the NFL before. There are three quarterbacks, you know, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. I'm not even taking a phone call, but when Joe Burrow got his second serious injury, I'll pick up the phone. I don't want to trade Burrow. I don't need a trade Burrow. It's nothing. I'm thinking about what you got four first rounders and I love Burrow. I love Jalen. Hurts. I'll pick up the phone. Not picking up the phone with Lamar Allen. You know, I think a lot of people would pick up the phone now for Trevor Lawrence and he was great. So it's, I, I just think it's not the idea of trading a player who is lopsided, who was increasingly injured. More from Zach Lowe. Here you can find corners of smart NBA people, team people who would, who would tell you the idea of getting out ahead of this and trading Luca is not a crazy idea. The idea of doing it without shopping him to get nine first round draft picks and swaps and doing this specific trade is where the logic falls apart. No question. But you just start looking at the history of sports. It's hard to find great players. I mean, even Michael Jordan on the second three peat. The Bulls had decided, yeah, this is the last one. The greatest basketball player ever. I mean, Miami started pushing back on LeBron. We're not going to give you everything you want. He was a guaranteed trip to the finals. And half the time it felt like you're almost, you were a favorite heading into the finals. So it's just they didn't get enough back. But if you're a Laker fan watching Luka, you're now seeing the truth. And Nico Harrison saw that at practice. He saw it on the road, he saw it in film study, he saw the injuries, he saw the massive decline in dunks and vertical basketball. It's all there. If you watch it's all there, Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'M Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything. Life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Ko Vino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Cavino and Rich. Interested in investing in Bitcoin but not sure how to get started? Well, with the Gemini Credit card you can dip your toes into Bitcoin without even trying. Just spend like you normally do, groceries, gas or a night out and instantly earn up to 4% back in Bitcoin or one of over 50 other cryptos straight to your account with no annual fee. The Gemini Credit Card is pretty much a no brainer and right now you can grab a $200 bitcoin intro bonus. So go to gemini.com card to learn more and start earning today. Terms apply. Again. Go to gemini.com card start building your Bitcoin stash now. Terms apply. 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J. Mac
So we all made mistakes right? But owner up to them. It's the right thing to do. But we all know Degree Cool Rush deodorant. Well last year they changed the formula and it did not go over well with the fans, the grease, whole thing. It turns up sweat and other protection when you turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring back the OG formula. One guy even started online petition and degree listen they admitted they effed up and are bringing back that OG Cool Rush scent back. And it's exactly how you remember it. Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back at Walmart, Target and other stores for under $4. There's a reason why it's been the number one men's anti perspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why people are not happy when the recipe was changed. So listen, if you've never tried, it might be a good time to try. See what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart or Target and try the OG degree Cool Rush for yourself.
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Colin Cowherd
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Greg Cosell
Great.
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Colin Cowherd
If Pittsburgh. So the Rams, my understanding, didn't really. Shador was not on their board as a starter. They like Jackson Dart. New York Giants like Jackson Dart over Shador. There's nothing wrong with that. I had a friend of mine who's a former gm, he liked Jackson Dart a lot. Not as much as Cam Ward, but he liked him more than Shadow. He liked him a lot, so. And I think everybody thinks Cam was the best quarterback in a weak class. Pittsburgh Steelers, according to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, a reporter there were not in the starting quarterback hunt. They looked at next year. I'm told the Rams looked at next year. The Browns, trading down early, told you next year's class. We'll go get backups this year. So if I was a GM and I wasn't into Shadors playing, what on film did you watch that you believe Greg could turn a general manager off and just not see him as an elite quarterback prospect?
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Greg Cosell
Well, I think that. That I think relates to what the league has become. Colin, for starting quality starting quarterbacks, we're talking about guys that were top five quarterbacks in the league. Because if you're drafting Sanders High, that's what you're expecting him to be, a top five quarterback in the league. So what you're dealing with a is a player who's essentially a pocket quarterback if he's to become a really good quarterback in the NFL. At his core, he's a pocket player. Now, he's not immobile. It's not as if he's a statue. But at his core, he would have to be successful as a pocket player. And as a pocket quarterback, his traits are good, not great. So where does that kind of player get drafted in the NFL? And what does he become in the NFL? He's a pocket quarterback with good traits. He's a lower level. CJ Stroud. CJ Stroud is essentially a pocket quarterback, is bigger, he's a better thrower. So C.J. stroud was drafted second and has done well in his first two years. Sanders is a similar style quarterback in terms of his approach to the way in which he plays, but he's not as gifted. He's smaller and doesn't throw it as well. So where does that player get that's why he was all over the board just as a player. Putting everything else aside, I had coaches tell me that they thought he was a backup. I had coaches tell me he was a first round pick. I had coaches telling me he's a third round pick. So he was all over the board because his traits are not quite at the level where it's unanimous or obvious as to what he projects to be at the NFL level.
- [35:23]
Colin Cowherd
So again, let's keep it to football. If you were to draft Jackson Dart over him, because I know two people that prefer Jackson Dart, what did you see about Jackson Dart that a GM would go, oh, I like that. That's better than Shedeur.
- [35:37]
Greg Cosell
Well, I. That gets into the same question. I think you have the mobility factor. I think Jackson Dart, while he's not explosive and dynamic, Jackson Dart, his legs are a factor. So now you get into the fact that he can make plays on third down with his legs and that changes the way defenses have to play. See, the thing is, you have to think about now the NFL, we're not just doing this in a vacuum. We're projecting players and you see him right here, we're projecting players to play in the NFL and what that means. So the fact that he can beat you with his legs means that that changes at times in critical down and distance situations, the way defenses have to play. His arm is probably as good or maybe even a little better than Sanders and he has that mobility and that's a key, key factor. So Jackson Dart could easily be seen, and he was, by some teams, just the football part, as a better prospect than Chudor Sanders.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's interesting, I thought the Bears because the last two years in free agents. I know, I said, greg, they're going to go defense. They didn't. They went offense again. I mean, last year they did it draft and free agency. This year they did it free agency and draft. So Ben Johnson saying, listen, I'm going to clean up my side of the ball. We'll get the defense later. So they go Colston Loveland, Luther Burden, who's a really could be a very interesting player, and Ozzy Torpedo, who Matt Hasselbeck, by the way, likes. What did you make of those? Yeah, what did you make of those first three picks and how they'll help Caleb Williams?
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Greg Cosell
Well, they're going to play a lot of 12 personnel. You know, a lot of people thought they'd take Tyler Warren, but Tyler Warren is a redundancy for them because Cole Komet stylistically is the same kind of Player, we could say Warren's better, but stylistically, in the context of their offense, they're the same player. So they went with the more athletic tight end in Loveland who gives them more. So they'll play with 12 personnel at times, and they'll be really difficult. And then Luther Burden, I mean, I loved Luther Burden's tape, and I think Luther Burton in the context of a Ben Johnson offense. And I'm not going to sit here and say he's going to do exactly what Amon Ross St. Brown did, because you never know. But I think that he stylistically fits that role in a Ben Johnson offense. And I think, you know, with Bird now, they can line up in 12 personnel with two tight ends. They can line up in 11 personnel with a Dunes, A Moore and Burden. I mean, this is a really, really good offense in terms of the skill players. And Tropillo didn't surprise me at all that he went where he did. I studied his tape. He's a really good player. He played right tackle at bc. They're going to have to make a decision as to who becomes the left tackle, whether they can move Tropillo there, who's played that in college, or Darnell Wright, who's been there right tackle. But Tropillo is a really, really good prospect. So I love what they did on the offensive side of the ball.
- [38:34]
Colin Cowherd
So it was pretty obvious there were certain teams, and I think the Chargers are one, where I had had dinner with their offensive coordinator a couple days before, a week before the draft actually, and he said, listen, we have a really good football team. We need a little bit more juice on offense. Well, they went and got it with Trey Harris and Hampton. Let's talk about the Chargers. Let's talk about Hampton, the running back and Trey Harris. What does that provide that they didn't have last year?
- [39:02]
Greg Cosell
Well, I love Murray and Hampton. I loved his tape. I didn't think there was much of a difference at all between Hampton and Genti. To me, Hampton just looked like a feature foundation back on tape. Some people thought, and I could see that, that there were similarities to Jonathan Taylor stylistically. And he is clearly the kind of back that you could give the ball 20 times a game to. We know it's Greg Roman. We know they want to run the football. You know, we know that's the way they play. That's foundationally how they want to start their offense. So now you get the play, action, pass game off of that. And last year they had pretty good success at times with the play Action, pass game. So now they can do more of it. Harris is an intriguing guy. I watched him last summer. Colin from 2023 when he had a big year. This year, he got hurt after seven games. I saw every game, every snap. I kept going back and forth on him. I just wasn't sure if he was a vertical dimension in the league. He's long and he has stride length, but he didn't run real well. And I'm just really curious as to what he will be. I'm a little uncertain about him, but I know a lot of people liked him. I just kept going back and forth in my mind. I'm very curious to see what he becomes in the National Football League. But the Hampton pick, I absolutely love that.
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Colin Cowherd
So I was told that Seattle wants to play Jalen Milroe in six or seven plays a game. Is that they just think he's too athletic not to get on the field. And I mean, they're, they're. I mean, there were times with Lamar Jackson, you watch them his first year, you're like, is he the best athlete on either team? I mean, Michael Vick had that component. Milroe is a sensational athlete. We know he can be a bit mechanical. But what does he do from your film study that you think immediately translates to production in the NFL now?
- [40:50]
Greg Cosell
Well, I think one of the things that's become really big in this league, and you see it with the Eagles, you certainly see it with Lamar, is the importance of the quarterback run game, the design. Quarterback runs game in the red zone. And I think that's where Milroe can be a factor. Don't forget that McDonald spent a year or so with Baltimore, so he knows all about the quarterback run game and the design of it and how it can really break down and attack defenses. And that's where I think Milroe can become a factor. But I actually really like Seattle's draft as a whole. Colin, Same here. They traded up to get Nick Emenwari, and I'm sure all of us immediately thought, that's Kyle Hamilton in the. Mike McDonald's defense because they're, they're stylistically similar players. So their defense and, and maybe people are sleeping on it, but what they've done defensively this off season and what they built offensively, they could be one of the best defensive teams in the NFL this year.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no, he was, he was. He was the. The safety from South Carolina. I was told this by a couple people. He was. He's kind of a can't miss. He's just so ra and so athletic. He. There are very few guys that are can't miss. And, you know, you'd think, oh, he'd go in the first round. But safety's a different position. But he kind of feels like, I can't miss in the NFL. So I want to go back to Travis Hunter. So you looked at him as a corner, and you look at him as a receiver. If I said to you, Greg, he ended up being a Pro Bowler at one position. If you had to guess based on your film story, there was what he was good at both. But one of them, he becomes a Pro Bowler. Which side would you predict?
- [42:27]
Greg Cosell
I mean, he's, you know, I think that early on he would have a better chance of being a Pro Bowler as a receiver than as a corner. Interesting, because I think as a. I think as a corner, we know about the physical traits. But you watch his tape. And as a corner, he doesn't really play with any technique because he's never had to. And I think in the NFL he'll have to. But I think the larger question with Travis Hunter, and again, I don't listen to what everybody says, Colin, so I don't know if this has been talked about, but I think the larger issue is not whether he can play 115 or 120 snaps a game. Maybe he's just that freak that can. But the issue is preparation during the week. He can't be in the offensive and the defensive meetings at the same time. And you know how coaches, how anal coaches are about their meetings and their details and their nuance. And, you know, you just can't be in both meetings. There's not enough hours in the day. So I'm very curious to see how that works because you can't be part of both sides of the ball in all the detail that's required.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Finally, when you looked at Ashton Genty's tape, I imagine the Oregon game, the Oregon game is one that you really zoned in on because they have NFL players everywhere. It is harder to make a guess if you're playing smaller schools. What is the one? The first time you looked at Ashton, Jenny, who's now a Raider, the first time you looked at his tape and went, oh, okay, this is, you know, it's Boise State. This is real. This is a real difference maker. Was there something that popped for you, a tendency or a trigger that you had seen before? And went, yeah, that's McCaffrey or that's whoever.
- [44:06]
Greg Cosell
Well, contact balance, because you're going to get hit in the NFL, you've got to run inside between the tackles. You can't be a great back in the NFL by just running on the perimeter. So he has this unique ability to absorb hits and keep going without really losing any of his momentum. And that's a rare trait. So to me, his best trait is contact balance, and that's something that is absolutely essential. Now, he's got other traits as well. I don't want to make it seem like that's his only trait. Obviously, he's a great, great prospect, but I think the contact balance part is really, really special.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, I want to add this. I watched virtually every pick and I know it didn't have a lot of stars, but it's hard to convince me there weren't a lot of good players. When Cody Simon, Ohio State linebacker, went in the fourth, I thought he was a really good player. I mean, he was the heart and soul of that defense. And Damian Martinez, who I watched play. Yeah, that time, Greg, I can't believe it's a sixth round running back. You didn't get it either.
- [45:11]
Greg Cosell
Yeah, no. That to me. And again, all I can tell you is how I evaluate the players. I'm not one who speaks about whether teams did a good job or a bad job because they've got 30 people doing this and these guys work really hard. But I really like Damian Martinez. I watched him last summer when he was at Oregon State. I watched him this year at the University of Miami. I think this guy in the right system could actually be a feature back. And to be honest with you, and we'll see how it plays out. We'll see how it plays out in camp. But I personally think he's a better runner. Now, again, there may be other elements here, but he's a better runner than Zach Charbonnet. And you know, Zach Charbonnet right now is the number two back in Seattle. So we'll see how it plays out through OTA's Minicamp and Training camp. But I really like Damian Martinez. I was really surprised he went in the seventh round.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no, no, that jumped out to me. I said, okay, you can tell me. This isn't a great draft. That is an NFL. You think he's a feature back? All I know is that guy, I watched him in college, he was five yards a carry run over. People run past him. He was five yards a carry.
- [46:15]
Greg Cosell
And power translates. You know, that's the thing. There's a lot of great athletes in the NFL, as we know, Colin, but power is one thing at all positions that normally translates and he's a powerful runner.
- [46:27]
Colin Cowherd
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