Best of The Herd

Summary

Below is a detailed long‐form summary of “Best of The Herd” (released August 15, 2025) from The Herd with Colin Cowherd, hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume. The episode weaves together hot sports takes—from a deep dive into college and NFL issues to humorous quips about hat–wearing—with plenty of interspersed promos for other iHeart shows. The conversation shifts rapidly from playful banter and clever one‐liners to a serious analysis of NCAA infractions and the evolving marketplace for college athletes.

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1. Episode Overview
   ────────────────────────────── • The episode is a “Best of” compilation featuring segments from live on–air sports talk, interviews, and commentary.
   • While the show starts with several promotional spots for franchises like Hoax, no Such Thing, America’s Crime Lab, and FUT around and Find Out, the heart of the episode is the candid discussion on college sports, NCAA rule enforcement (especially the Michigan sign stealing case), and the evolving dynamics from college to professional leagues.
   • The hosts mix humor, insightful analysis, and a bit of irreverence—reflecting the casual yet informed tone that fans of The Herd know and love.

────────────────────────────── 2. Breaking Down the Key Discussion Segments
────────────────────────────── A. Opening Promos & Introductory Banter (00:00 – 02:14)
 • The episode opens with a string of quick promos and witty sound bites.
  – For example, a playful remark (“You got a hoodie on. Take it all.” at 00:46) shows the irreverent style of the show.
 • Multiple other iHeart podcasts are mentioned, including Hoax (which examines historical hoaxes like the Ern Malley affair), no Such Thing (digging into how overconfidence affects our perceptions), and Native Lamp Pod (discussing political and cultural issues).
 • Although these are advertisement segments, they set the stage for an eclectic mix of sports and culture topics discussed later.

B. NCAA Infractions and the Michigan Sign–Stealing Saga (02:14 – 21:54)
 • Judd Gottlieb (filling in for Colin Cowherd) dives into the hot–button issue of NCAA infractions.
 • The discussion centers on Michigan’s punishment for sign stealing—a violation that led to fines and suspensions, impacting multiple aspects of the football program.
 • The panel details the stark financial consequences:   – A four–year probation period
  – A $50,000 fine plus an additional charge equal to 10% of the football budget
  – Scholarship limitations and a reduction in official football visits
  – Show–cause penalties for several staff members (with one coach receiving an eight–year show cause)  • Notable Quote (with timestamp):
  – “He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha.” (around 23:48)
 • The hosts emphasize that while college programs routinely scout by studying subtle in–game signals (like ear–pulls or jersey tugs), Michigan “got hit where it hurts—in the wallet.”

C. Analysis of College Sports, Financial Strategies, and Player Development (21:54 – 46:16)
 • The conversation then shifts to how changes in NCAA rules—specifically the move from scholarship limitations to roster limitations—affect college sports overall.
 • Discussions include:   – How the financial punishment may hit smaller sports programs (like hockey or women’s basketball) as funds are re–allocated toward the high–profile football program.
  – The balancing act that universities face when trying to maintain academic repute while competing in lucrative, highly–commercialized sports.   – The role of recruiting tactics and long–term financial planning (including commentary on cutting costs on uniforms and vendor contracts) in running a competitive athletic department.  • The hosts also reflect on the broader implications for college athletes:   – The unintended consequences of compensating players—such as more seniors choosing to stay in school longer—which in turn affects the pool of prospects for the NFL draft.   – The notion that “getting into college” has lost some of its intrinsic value when measured against the evolving economic and professional landscape.

D. Transitioning from College to Pro and the Role of Confidence (46:16 – 51:54)
 • Next, the discussion pivots to broader comments about athlete development and transitions from college to professional sports.
 • In a lively exchange, the conversation touches on:   – The modern quarterbacks’ challenges: balancing confidence, media–influenced bravado, and the pressure of on–field performance.
  – How young quarterbacks now often sport entourages and record every moment—a stark contrast to traditional staid leadership roles.  • Notable Insight:
  – “Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise.” (24:43)
 • The hosts debate whether such confidence (or cockiness) is an advantage or liability in a sport where mistakes are magnified, linking this back to how the changing collegiate environment is reshaping NFL draft profiles.

E. Guest Commentary and Further Discussion on Player Roles (51:54 – 64:19)
 • Former Pro Bowl wide receiver (and frequent guest) Shador Sanders joins the conversation, offering insights on the quarterback position and the challenges faced by backups in the evolving NFL landscape.
 • Key points include:   – Praise for how a fifth–round pick quarterback performed in his first preseason game—a performance described as surprisingly confident and accurate.
  – Concerns about injuries (referencing Matt Stafford and Caleb Williams) and the impact on team readiness, with Sanders noting that missing practice sessions should be a red flag for teams.
 • The conversation is peppered with humorous asides (for instance, playful commentary on whether a backup with an entourage can really “be that guy” in the locker room) while still offering substantive analysis.  • The segment wraps as additional promos for shows like “no Such Thing” and “Native Lamp Pod” are briefly re–inserted, before the final sign–off.

────────────────────────────── 3. Notable Moments and Memorable Quotes
────────────────────────────── • “You got a hoodie on. Take it all.” (00:46) – A snappy line illustrating the show’s humorous tone.
• “He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha.” (23:48) – Emphasizing the moment Michigan’s infractions were uncovered.
• “Those who lack expertise lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise.” (24:43) – A wry observation on overconfidence in today’s athletes.
• Discussions on penalties hitting Michigan “where it hurts—in the wallet” underscore the financial repercussions within college sports.

────────────────────────────── 4. Timestamps and Segment Highlights
────────────────────────────── • 00:00–02:14 – Introductory promos and playful banter setting the tone.
• 02:14–21:54 – In–depth discussion of Michigan’s sign stealing case, including detailed breakdowns of NCAA fines and probation terms.
• 21:54–26:00 – Mid–roll promo segments for podcasts like Hoax, reinforcing the theme of “believing what we believe” when faced with audacious tricks.
• 26:00–35:29 – Extended sports analysis addressing both NCAA compliance issues and how financial imperatives shape college athletics.
• 35:29–46:16 – Reflections on college athlete compensation, recruitment dynamics, and the market effects of these evolving practices.
• 46:16–51:54 – Transition to NFL–related commentary, highlighting confidence, media influences, and the realities of quarterback development.
• 51:54–64:19 – Guest insights from Shador Sanders on the evolving roles of players and closing remarks punctuated by additional promo plugs.

────────────────────────────── 5. Final Thoughts
────────────────────────────── The “Best of The Herd” episode combines robust sports analysis with lighthearted humor and plenty of insider commentary. It illustrates how both college and professional sports are in periods of transition—whether through financial restructuring, evolving NCAA regulations, or the changing demeanor of today’s athletes. The hosts challenge listeners to consider how the intersection of money, media, and overconfidence shapes the modern sports landscape, all while interweaving creative promos for other intriguing podcasts on the iHeartRadio network.

This engaging mix of hard–hitting analysis and offbeat humor makes the episode a must–listen for fans eager to understand not just the scores, but the forces driving today’s sports culture. Enjoy the ride, and don’t forget to check out the other featured podcasts for even more fascinating stories and commentary.

Transcript

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Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio and noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the [e-mail] or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in this is the Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be making this part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Judd Gottlieb in for your boy Colin Cowherd. And for the next couple of hours, I want to talk sports with you. This is weird, right? So Colin moved to the Midwest following me, right? Let's just be honest. I followed him to Fox to where I grew up in Southern California. Then he follows me to the Midwest, but now I'm in California and he's in parts unknown. Right? Hey, this is just a thing. I have to state this because it's true, obviously. Colin, I for years have gone back and forth about the hat backwards thing that he has. Right? But here's my thing. I'm going to state this because I know it to be true. A lot of you saw our boy Colin Cowherd at Liv Golf last weekend, right? Okay, can we get together and form some sort of petition or have some sort of on air teaching Colin how to wear a hat? Because if you're going to criticize others for wearing their hat backwards and how it looks, that's fine. Then I'm going to criticize you for not understanding the basics of how to wear a ball cap, which is you don't put it on top of your hair so that your hair is still showing. That's not ball cap wearing 101. Everybody knows it. And when you wear it that way, much like he believes you have your hat backwards, you wear it that way, it gives off the perception of, you know, you're trying to be a younger bro. It's not actually, I disagree. But again, he's talking about perception. I'm telling you, the perception is that guy's never played a sport in his life, definitely never played baseball if he doesn't know how to wear a ball cap. Is that fair? Okay, so I just. I wanted. I was waiting for this day. Maybe the last AFL in for Cohen. It's very possible. Okay? I love my boy, but I saw him last week and I was like, can Middlekoff. Middle cough doesn't have this. Cause he has no hair, right? He. He, He. He fired it before it quit on him. I got it. Colin has great hair. That's real hair he's got there. There's no implants, no nothing. That's a real, real mop. And he's been living on this hat backwards thing. He got the Cowboys coach turning his hat around. That really happened this year. Great. Mission accomplished, Colin Cowherd. But, dude, what are you doing? All right, let's get to the story of the Day Michigan was levied fines and suspensions. And look, I don't know if this comes to be. And the reason I say that is I'm actually a coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which is Division one program. We are under, you know, NCAA rules and regulations just like anybody else. And what I have come to learn, first observing as a basketball analyst and a radio show host and a TV yacker and now I know, is the general thought in college athletics of the ncaa. And the NCAA is not some darkonian organization made it out to be. It's just the conglomerate of schools. And, you know, it's like being mad at Congress when there's actually, you know, every state has the right to vote their rights. Okay. Vote their opinions for their constituents. And you just say, I don't like Congress. Well, yeah, well, there's 50 states. So you don't like the individual representatives. These are the individual schools. But there is the Board of Infractions, Right? The general thought for most people is no matter what rules the NCAA comes up with, if you sue, they'll lose. Now, here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the past couple years. The new rules and regulations in terms of roster limitations and this opt in that our program is a part of and most college athletic programs outside of the Ivy League are a part of. All of these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof, right? There's a reason that they're put in place. They feel like they're lawsuit proof and they'll stabilize things for the next couple of years, dream scenario, maybe even 10 years of some form of stabilization. So I say that because when I read to you what Michigan's been punished, just understand that very likely that Michigan appeals and sues and tries to get out of it. Right? Okay. So I don't need to go through what they were doing with the sign. Stealing. I can only tell you that, in my opinion, without seeing how much Jim Harbaugh knew. It's one of those, hey, I don't care, you're doing advanced scouting. Give me the calls, get them for me, give me the calls. And when you're running a program as big as Michigan, in my program, you know, my email right now, I have to. It's. I have to do every. I'm a CEO. I have to worry about every little different department. And, oh, yeah, by the way, much like Doge, what can we cut, what can we keep? How little can we spend to get the most out? Because we have to compensate the student athlete now. But I'm going to commend the ncaa. Look, do I think this was a dog and pony show? I do. Do I think this was. That this was. Do I think there's another Connor Stallions out there? I'm not sure. I don't know. I do know that every college program, basketball or football, tries to figure out what the signs are for the other. For the other team. And that's what you do. What you do, you're not allowed, unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball, to scout in person. So you watch on video. And if they pull on their ear, if they tug on their jersey, if they tap their head, you try and figure out what exactly the set is, what exactly they're doing. So you know what's coming. And if you can't pick it up on video, or even if you can, you call somebody who's played them, because every coach has an assistant or a manager that's sitting on their bench. And when you say, hey, that's earpool. It's earpool. Write that down. Earpool. What is it? Hey. Then you go in at halftime and you make sure that you. You have it listed. So if they pull in their ear in the second half, this is what they're doing. And usually you know beforehand because you've talked to coaches that have coached against them, because they keep a running tab of what they're calling and how it coincides with what they're doing on the floor. Make sense? Okay, so my point is, I'm not excusing the behavior of Michigan. I'm just telling you that everybody, on some form or fashion, does it feels like they overdid it and they got caught and then they won. But once they started winning, they probably. They didn't have this program in place and they were in people's heads. And oh, yeah, by the way, if you didn't know sign stealing took place, why do you have three different people putting the signs out? Because two are fake signs. Right. You know, they're looking. So let's not act like you're surprised that there's somebody in the stands or some video camera trying to get. That was Bill Belichick's entire argument. Right? We filmed the game. They're. They're running in signs at the game. Why can't we just film the sideline? And then what it coincides with on. On the field? The big question for Belichick was, were they filming practice? That, of course, is a no, no. And most coaches are incredibly paranoid if they say a video camera running when they're in an empty gym or an empty stadium, okay? They'll freak out. They'll have somebody go put a towel over it or whatever they do. I mean, heck, if you played youth football and I did, you know this, right before the game, you'll be running through plays. What do you do with the players who aren't involved? You line them up so the other coach can't look down and see what you're doing. Right. And every high school football coach, college football coach, has been paranoid for years at practice and at covering up what you're doing. You know, high school coaches especially making sure there's empty stadiums when they're running through their game plan for the next day. So let's not act like we're surprised that this happens or that Michigan's the only one doing it. They got caught doing it at a higher level and then ultimately succeeding while doing it. Here's the punishment. Four years of probation, financial penalties, a $50,000 fine plus 10% of the budget of the football program and equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition revenue sharing associated with the 2025, 2026 football seasons. A fine equivalent to the cost of 10% of scholarships awarded to Michigan's football programs in the 2526 academic year. A 25% reduction. Official official football visits in 2526, a 14 week probation. Recruiting communications in the football program during the probation period. And then Connor Stallion's eight year show cause. Harbaugh, you knew he had a ten year show cause. Denard Robinson, wasn't he Shoelaces? Wasn't that his nickname when he, when he played? Or Shoestrings when he played there as quarterback? Three year show cause restricted from all athletically related activities. That's actually a big one. That means he can't really coach in college football. Whereas a show cause means you have to show cause for hiring somebody. It doesn't mean you can't coach, you can't get the job. You have to just go through a infractions committee and say you're sorry and say you've improved. It's much like the probation department, you know, when you're trying. Remember the start of Shawshank Redemption where you have to say that you're a changed man type deal. And then Sharon Moore got a two year show cause but he's still the head coach, so that doesn't matter. And he suspended a total of three games. Michigan imposed a two game suspension for this year. The panel says he's got to be suspended one additional game. Do you want to know why? It's an awesome punishment because it hits them in the wallet. Hey, they're not taking down a banner that we know they earned and that you can't do. You guys remember Men in Black, right? Remember the little silver thing that Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones would hold up and press it and everybody's memory would be erased. Your short term memories is zapped. Like, don't you wish that occurred in life? Wouldn't that be so cool? You're like in an argument with your girlfriend, your wife and you're just like, like. What were you even arguing about? I don't know. Babe, how you doing? Right? Reset. Well, the. It's called a neuralyzer. Don't ask me how I know, okay? Men in Black called it a neuralyzer. There is no neuralyzer where we can hit the button. And Louisville's 2013 NCAA championship is erased from our memory banks. Right? We all saw it. Okay? We, we, we saw Trey Burke cleanly block Peyton Siva. It didn't get called as a clean block. It changed the momentum of that game. And Rick Patino's Louisville Cardinal. Hey. Luke Hancock and the boys. And end up winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner. No banner. Nobody's giving back their rings. Nobody's saying I'm not an NCAA champion. That's just dumb. How do you really punish a university? And the answer is you take their money. Right? And who does this ultimately hurt? That's a lot of money. 10% of the budget of the football program at the University of Michigan. Okay, we calculating coaches salaries in the budget? Yep. We calculating recruiting budget? Yep. Are we calculating rev share in that budget? I don't know that it's going to be a lot of money. Now I'm guessing Michigan will appeal and they'll probably sue because it's a lot of money. And as much as lawyer fees are a lot of money, I just. 10% of scholarships award to Michigan football program. Okay, so what is it? $80,000 scholarship a year? 10% is 8 grand. 8 grand times. What do you have? 105. Now in college football, you do the math. That's a lot of money. But that's just the 800 or so grand plus you got to take what you were going to get. And you're like, well, what if they didn't make the postseason? No, what they're talking about is everyone, everyone in your league gets a portion of the postseason revenue. You get, I believe 2 shares if you play. And then if you win, you get Additional shares of it. So that's a lot of money. Now they didn't. And I apparently can't take the TV revenue. They can't take the in stadium revenue. Right where you're making probably, I don't know, Michigan, 100,000 people. I can only estimate between 100 and $150 million per year from in stadium revenue. So they'll be fine. Don't get me wrong, but taking away the money is the only way to truly, truly punish college sports programs. Because it is all about the money. Now, you want to know what hurts the most? I would not want to be the coach of Michigan softball, Michigan baseball, swimming, diving. Right. I feel terrible for Michigan hockey, women's basketball because Dusty May, they raised a bunch of money. I got a squad. I know they want to play us. We don't want to play us. And we're like, I don't really want to get 40 piece by Michigan. No, thanks. Not. Not into that. Hey, they got a squad there. I don't know what their budget is. Probably $10 million, right? Maybe, maybe more. 15. I don't know. They have a top 10 program. They're awesome. And they already have the contracts for their roster of football players. Right? Those, those contracts are done. They have to pay those players. And I'm guessing it's somewhere in the 20, $25 million range overall with salaries. Right. Because Ohio State was. They won the national championship. Everybody said they were kind of top of the top of the heap in the low 20s. 20 million. So you gotta calculate one, every Michigan's gonna try and get to that level. And then two, there's some sort of inflation. Can we say 25 million? Great. Then you gotta factor in the coaching staff. You're talking about, I don't know, somewhere in the $50 million variety. They have to be. You have to be competitive in football, you have to be competitive in basketball because that's where you make your money. So what I love is that they hit him where it hurts. Again, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it. I don't know all the facts in the case, and I don't have the time to kind of delineate how big a deal this actually is. I do think that this is kind of classic ncaa and it's like anything else. Like, you know, supposedly this is Ohio State fans finding this out, turning them in. We saw what likely Texas fans did to John Mattier this week. It's like you allowing fans to matter is a mistake in litigating something like this. In my opinion, allowing them to be whistleblowers and oh my gosh. Gotcha. Hey. Because what that does is now Michigan fans are going to have their cell phones on and try and find Ohio State guys. And you know, there's all this, you know, all this back and forth. But whatever. They did a lengthy investigation. This is what they found out. And for years it was scholarship reductions, right? And taking down banners. Well, you can't take away scholarships now because if you take away a player's scholarship, you say, hey, instead of, I think it's 105. I'm sorry, we don't have a football program. I don't care about those numbers. They used to be 85. And what they've done is they've done instead of scholarship limitations, it's roster limitations. It's roster limitations. And again, we were told that the reason they did roster limitations, says scholarship limitations is they're lawsuit proof that this is what, this is how sports can survive lawsuits where you're not cutting scholarships, you're simply cutting roster spots. That's all you can have. You can do every. Every spot can be a scholarship or half of them can be scholarships or none of them can be spot. You can do whatever you want within your own domain if you opted in. And Michigan, of course, opted in. I'm Doug Gottlieb, in for calling. This is the Hurt fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app. What you need to know is. What you need to know is Michigan got hit with. It hurts. Right? Got hit where it hurts. In the wallet. In the wallet. And if you ask any Michigan coach or administrator, okay. For years they felt like, despite the fact that were Michigan. Huh? That the hardest part for them was raising the money and getting up to the level of Ohio State. Because Ohio State has never cared about anything other than how can we put the best team on the field. Michigan like to have the academic repute. Ohio State just want to win championships. Ohio State's run fast and loose with rules for a lifetime, especially in the football side. Okay. I'm guessing probably Michigan did too. Only they, like Notre Dame, like to feel like they're academically above it. They finally got to the level, a full investment from the university on the football program. And now they're losing what, 10% of their budget and all of their post. What would have been post season revenue. And my guess is what that hurts most is all the Olympic sports. The ones that you don't hear about Olympic sports are pick the one you don't. Soccer, hockey, track and Field lacrosse, Any of those ones their budgets chopped. And what you do is then you move it over cleverly to Michigan football. Well, you can't. We cut the budget. There's always ways. Always ways. What do I know? I just work for an NCAA institution. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hi, this is Jay. I'm the producer of the Paulie and Tony Fusco Show. Usually in these promos, they ask you to listen to the show. I'm here to ask you, please don't listen to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to this show so it can get canceled. What the hell are you doing in our studio? Get him, Paulie. Ignore that fool. 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What up? Welcome in this is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may make it as part of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd and for the next couple of hours I want to talk sports with you. So for those of you who are like, hey Gotley, what are you doing now? I'm a college basketball. Oh, that's right, Basketball. That's right, yeah. So what's that like? That's what everybody asks that every house. And I'll share with you a lot if you'd like. And it's. This is, it's a fascinating, fascinating. I don't want to say experiment, but just time of change in all business. Right. I'll give you an example. Okay. It's not just college sports. I think pro sports, especially basketball, is about to change greatly. I'll explain in a second. I think NFL football is going to change. I mean the perfect example is, yes, Archie Manning. Just like Arch Manning, just like Peyton Manning. Just like. Why am I forgetting Peyton Manning was the two time super bowl champion. Why am I the other Manning? Eli Manning, Sorry. Okay. Gonna stay four years. Not because of Nil, but because they believe, much like most people, that the more reps you have, the more ready you are. The more ready you are, the more confidence you have. The more confidence you have, the better you play initially. The better you play initially, the easier it is for you to maintain. You get like a year and a half to be a starting quarterback in the NFL and if you can't do it as a top pick, then you're out. Right. And you become a career backup or you bounce around chasing checks. You're doing the, the. Like the jets quarterback, right? I mean this is his third team in three years. Justin Fields. Yeah, Justin Fields, third team in three years. Why is that? Because he basically got a year and a half. Bears didn't think he's good enough. They moved on. Goes to the Steelers. Steelers knew he wasn't good enough. Same thing. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. So I think that the Arch Manning thing doesn't have a ton to do with Nil or Rev share or the money that he's making. Kid was making money as comes from money. Money isn't the driving force, but I do think that the NFL is, is going to change. The draft is so much different now because everybody is older and they're older because they stay in school longer. They stay in school longer because there's not the desperation for the NFL check the way there used to be. Which in many ways is a Good thing. There are bad things about Nil. There are bad things about compensating athletes, but the fact that they are staying in school longer is not one of them. It is a benefit. Now let's not act like that was the intent of it, okay? No one ever said, hey, you know, once we start paying players, they're going to stay in school longer. Nobody said that. It's an ancillary benefit. Right. It's an unintended consequence, but it is something that happens. So there's a smaller pool of prospects for the NFL draft, but you have more tape on them. On the other hand, they, some of them have played at three or four schools, five schools even. So it's, it's harder to get the background on what type of kid he is if he's only been in a place for six months before he declares for the NFL draft. Right. It's very different. And, and this, this, I believe North Carolina's got 70 new players, Bill Belichick's team, 70 new players, like they're introducing themselves to each other, like in warm up lines. And my name is Jim. Where are you from? Oklahoma State, my alma mater. 65 new players and you have like 15 padded practices before you play a real football game. 15. Remember, most of these teams don't have spring games. A lot of these players are picked up in the spring, some in the summer, some right before the fall. So you would think your offenses and your defenses might be a little bit more rudimentary. College offenses have never been as ornate as pro offenses. Same thing with defenses. And that may actually regress. Whereas in previous years, you would think college offenses were kind of creating things that the NFL copied. So sports is changing. In baseball, the Milwaukee brewers are the talk of Major League Baseball. Right? What are they, one in a row, 22 in a row or something? 21 in a row. 12 in a row. I like the 22. It's a better number. It was better. It was better. And we have the greatest sound bite ever. The most Wisconsin thing ever. We'll share with you later on the show. But they won 12 in a row. But the brewers were good last year. Okay, remember, this is a Brewers team that lost their manager to their rival, the Cubs. Why? Because Craig Council's like, brewers are awesome, but the likelihood of winning is increased when you go to the Cubs because they have more money. Right? The brewers are built. This is. I've talked to their general manager, I've talked to, I've talked to their manager, and they told me that every position player they draft was a shortstop at some point in their lives. Baseball has changed with the pitch clock, but more than anything with the bases, with the lack of shifts. Athleticism is a much bigger part of the game. So they're not just the best team in baseball. They try to build the best, most athletic team in baseball. It's one of the things that's happened to the Yankees going back the past couple years is they were built for a foregone era of just hit home runs or walk or strike out, and now you can manufacture runs. So sports changes in a myriad of ways. And in college sports, it's changed because, well, now we're paying the players, right? Now we're paying the players. And what you find is, and look, I have one full year now in the bank. I got the job at the middle the end of May last year. As you know, the portal opens in March, so I didn't have a full season that way. And not everything that I believe or maybe even I know is accurate at the highest level, because we are not at the highest level. But I do know on many ways how it operates. So Thomas Hammack is the head coach of Northern Illinois. Okay, what do you remember about Northern Illinois? Last season they beat Notre Dame, right? Notre Dame beat Texas A and M on the road and they come back home, they get beat by, by, by Northern Illinois. And then Northern Illinois has average season after that. So Northern Illinois, I'm sure, I'm maybe I'm not sure. I'm guessing it's a tough putt financially for them. Now they're going to join our league in basketball, only basketball, and I think Olympic sports starting next year. And the Illinois schools, the non Champaign, Urbana, right, that's the main universe. When you say Illinois, that's the main campus. But they have Eastern Illinois, they have Western Illinois, they have Southern Illinois. The Salukis, they have Northern Illinois, the Huskies, they got different schools, have different financial issues. Western Illinois, ton of financial issues. Like school could close down financial issues in the Wisconsin system. Our school and Madison University of Wisconsin are the only two that are growing. We've gone from like 7, 8, 9,000. We're 12,000 students this year and we're expanding. But all the other University of Wisconsin, Stout, Stevens Point, River Falls, even Milwaukee, they're shrinking. So there's a fight over budget. But the bigger thing is, okay, how, how do you build a college football, college basketball program when you're trying to have a high retention rate? Bring kids back, right, bring kids back every year because we all know, like, that's, that's what Purdue has done. That's one of the reasons that he win. Right. Purdue is like the model for college basketball. Yes. They sprinkle in a transfer here, a transfer there. This year, they take in an Israeli point guard to go with maybe the best point guard in the country. They should be really, really good. But the big thing for Purdue is, like, they want their guys to stay. So I want you to listen to something that Thomas Hammack said at a press conference earlier this week. I posted it. It's got over a million views just on my feed alone. So I'm guessing this thing's gone Viral. You're talking 5, 10 million views or something. Overall, this is the head coach of Northern Illinois. I enjoyed my college experience.

[D]

I didn't get one dime, but the lessons I learned was more valuable than any money you can ever pay me. And I appreciate that because that is long term. People are losing the fact that this is short term. I coached in the National Football League for five years.

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Five years.

[D]

Don't lose focus of what the long term. Get your degree. Learn valuable lessons. That's going to help you in a long term of your life. That's the whole purpose. This is a transition from being a kid to a grownup. And I hope people don't lose focus of that.

[A]

So keep in mind, this is Thomas Hammack, who is an alum of Northern Illinois. Right. He played football there back in the heyday in 99 to 2000, 2002. Then he went to Madison and he got his master's and he started coaching football. And I understand that what happens is the human brain works this way. I hear, pick the college coach. You know, when Nick Saban's Coach, he's making $10 million, right? So he makes 10 million. The players make nothing. There's. There's two parts to it. First part is, do I think that at the very, very top of the salary pool, college coaches are overpaid? Yeah, yeah, probably. But I also think they're CEOs of companies. I'm a CEO of a company. The buck stops here. I have to manage my recruiting budget like we. We had. We had to change our black uniforms. But to put in a full set of Adidas uniforms, it's like 2,900 bucks. We had to change uniforms because they're not NCAA compliant. In the. In the chance that we make the NCAA tournament this year, we could only wear the gray uniforms. It's the only ones that were NCAA compliant. So we redid the White ones. But they're like, yeah, we're not gonna wear white in the NCAA tournament anyway. Right? Like, we're not gonna be a, a lower seed than anybody. So in an effort to save money, this is a real thing. We just redid the tops. That's it. So it's 1700 bucks instead of 2900 bucks. Right? And you're like, well, what is that? That affords me a little bit more money. You know, we call back every vendor that we use. We have an analytics company that I think is outstanding, I would love to have. And we got like the Cadillac set up. I had to have an uncomfortable conversation like, hey, we either need to cut this contract or trim it down or figure it out. Why? Because I need that money. Because I got to compensate players. I got to compensate my coaching staff. Remember Thomas Hammock? You may sit there, think, you know, whatever he makes at Northern Illinois as head coach, he started as a GA at Wisconsin. A ga. You're not getting any money, you're simply getting your school paid for. Then he was a running back coach at his alma mater for a year. Then he was with the Minnesota Vikings in the NFL for three years. Right. Starting as the running backs coach and then working a co offensive coordinator and running backs coach. So now he start creeping into the six figures area. Then he coached back at Wisconsin. Then he was with the Ravens again as the running back coach for four years. So he has worked since he graduated college in 2002 till now. Okay, this is when he got this head coaching first. Head coaching break was 17 years later. So you're like, oh my gosh, look at how much money Thomas Hammock makes. Dude, he worked 17 years to get to that spot. But, but here's the honest question. And look, this is. Is it some of it recruiting? Yeah. But a lot of it is true. How are we going to have alumni games in college sports? Alumni, what's your alma mater? There's one other thing he didn't calculate in there he didn't talk about. And you can follow me on Twitter ottlieb Show you can see this, the full context of the rant. If you haven't heard it already, we have no value as a society now for getting into college. Getting into college. If you don't know how hard it is to get into college, you haven't had a kid apply for college. Recently. When I was coming out of high school at Tustin High School In Orange County, California in 1995, the safety to all safety schools, the Easiest school to get into in the Cal State system, right? Because you have, like, in. In order. You had UC system. That's UC Santa Barbara, ucla, Berkeley, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. Then you have the Cal Poly system a little bit less difficult still. Okay, that's Cal Poly. That's in Pomona. And Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. That's in San Luis Obispo. Central, Central Coast. Then you have the Cal States, which were easier. And you basically had to graduate like a 2, 5. If you had a pulse, you were getting in San Diego State. And then if you wanted to party, you went to San Diego State. If you wanted to smoke weed, you went to Humboldt or to. What's the other one that's up there? Oh, man, I can't remember. There's two that are way up north, right? And everybody. And you'd say, well, I'm going to major in horticulture. Yeah, we know what you're doing. San Diego State now is unbelievably hard to get into one of the most difficult schools in the country to get into. Why? Their sports, their basketball team was awesome. And then people are like, I could go to school in San Diego. Where do I sign up? Well, it's become like, you get a 4.0 and not get into San Diego State and be an in state. And of course, all the kids out of state want to come in. Why do you want to have more out of state kids come in if you're San Diego State? Because you make more money international, you can charge whatever you want. So there's no calculation or valuation from parents, agents, or people on social media of getting into school and then the college experience, growing, becoming the dude. He talks about playing time. Like, a lot of these kids, they, hey, if you're going to give me, you know what I make 1.5x of what I make, they'll go and just chase the dollar. And then they realize that's it's the Peter Principle. Do you guys know the Peter Principle is. It's when you're promoted above the level of your competency. If last year you were in the Mac and you were a starter and you transferred to the Big Ten, and now you're not a star. You're like, man, I was killing at the Mac. They promised me a chance. They're giving me more money. Like, dude, that's not how it works. You were in the Mac for a reason. And Again, I know J.J. watt came from the Mac and is a Hall of Famer when He transferred and transitioned to a different position and played at Wisconsin. But those stories are outliers. The reality is most guys who leave and most teams leave, you lose your whole team. Whole team. And I just think it's very easy to say, well, these kids deserve it. Okay, but what, but what do you lose when you leave? What do you lose? You're never going to have your jersey on a wall if you leave, right? You're not. No one's going to retire outside of Shador Sanders. But it was two years of Colorado. No one's going to retire a number of a guy who played there for a year or, you know, as a transfer. That just doesn't happen. That just doesn't happen. And you have to understand where you fit in the salary pool. You know, low level six figures on a high major club in college basketball means you're not going to play. I hope you understand what like, so we, we tell both. I'm like, you can go take that. That's great. If it's your senior year and Somebody offers you $125,000 to play at name your Power 4 school or the Big east, do you know what that money means? You're not going to play. And that's great if that's what you want. Hey, I want some money to start me on my professional life. Great. You want to play basketball, you need to have basketball film to then go play. And then the other thing we're doing, and this is more basketball specific, but it's also football specific, we're screwing up the minds of what the market looks like. Let me give you an example, okay? Again, in college basketball, and I know this because this is the world in which I operate in when I'm not hosting the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio, there are lots of players playing college basketball making $250,000. Okay? And again, as I said, $250,000. Maybe you play, maybe you don't. Probably you play. Probably you're a starter now at a Power 4 school at 250 grand. You're not the guy, but you're one of the guys. You get done playing. Hey, remember, the G League doesn't play that. You're not good enough to make the NBA. You go overseas. Hey, I'm going to go overseas. Do you want to know what you make usually when you're playing overseas your first year? Maybe six figures. Maybe. So what happens? You get done playing and your agent's like, I got a deal for you. Okay, it's second division. They hear second division, they're like, no, no, no, this is how it works. Second division, Italy, take care of everything, live on the water. It's great. All bills taken care of. $75,000. Like I just made $250,000 playing at whatever state university in. Right. We've completely screwed that up. Where $75,000 for a rookie in a two in Italy is a lot of money. It's a great opportunity. And then the idea is every year you stack, you make more, more, more, more, more, more, more. And eventually you hopefully play in a EUROLEAGUE team and you make seven figures and you send that money home. So the point is that in everyone's effort to make sure college athletes are compensated, we are screwing up all these different pieces, valuing getting into school, valuing the actual college experience, valuing in being a dude and having an alma mater, a place to call home, and the market for when they get out of school. Other than that is a perfect system. Outside of that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show? Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.

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Hey, guys, it's AZ Fudd. You may know me as a gold medalist. You may know me as an NCAA national champion and recent most outstanding player. You may even know me as the people's princess. But now you're also going to know me as your favorite host. Every week on my new podcast, Fut around and Find Out, I'll give you an inside look at everything happening in my crazy life as I try to balance it all, from my travels across the globe to preparing for another run at the natty with my UConn Huskies, to just trying to make it to my midterms on time. You'll get the inside scoop on everything. I'll be talking to some special guests about pop culture, basketball, and what it's like to be a professional athlete on and off the court. You'll even get to have some fun with the Fudd family. So if you follow me on social media or watch me on tv, you may think you know me, but this show is the only place where you can really fut around and find out. Listen to FUT around and find out. Production of iHeart Women's Sports in partnership with Unanimous Media on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[A]

What up with you, Doug Gottlieb and for Colin, this is the Herd, fox sports radio iHeartradio app. So by now, by now you've seen your NFL team and most NFL teams play. You haven't necessarily seen all your starters play in a preseason game. Hey, T.J. oschmanzada will join us. We'll talk some Shador. We'll also talk a couple other quarterbacks of note upcoming. We do have a brand new YouTube channel. For my afternoon show every day on FOX Sports Radio, just go to YouTube.com Gottlieb Show. If you're already on YouTube, just search Doug Gottlieb show. Be sure to hit the subscribe button. You'll have instant access to the very best videos from the show. Go check out our brand new channel. Again, just search Doug Gottlieb show on YouTube and subscribe. Subscribe. That's a, that's a big thing. All right. Let's welcome in the former Pro bowl wide receiver, longtime guest of my show, other shows, of course, he's who should you hush Manzada. He joins us now in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Who Shador Sanders. So the, the good is after the first couple series, they look good, you know, look confident, deliver the ball with accuracy, move well in the pocket. Like, I'm not going to sit here and tell you I know the quarterback position like you do or like, like coaches do. But look, it wasn't like he didn't look like he belonged out there. He looked really good. But that's the first preseason game. It's not with the ones, it's not against the ones. And there's a lot of quarterbacks that have looked good, that are young, that are inexperienced and that are not starters. What's your assessment of Shador at this point in time and how he looks?

[D]

I thought he looked great, to be honest with you. And you're right, he wasn't going against the ones. But very rarely do we see a quarterback drafted in the fifth round play this way in his first NFL game ever. We haven't seen that. I don't know if we can recall a quarterback that wasn't drafted in the first round playing like this, his first game. Now, obviously we would like to see how he would perform going against starters. But when you watch that game, the touch, the anticipation, he played on time, that translates. Now maybe that first touchdown throw on the back corner against the ones when he threw that ball, I was like, oh, that's a pick. Oh, great throw. Maybe that's an incompletion. But he just trusts himself so much. And when you play with confidence, yeah, like it sucks that he's not gonna be able to play this weekend because of his oblique injury, because I would have liked to seen how he would have looked tomorrow. But that was a first step in the right direction. He should be proud of himself. But we know this playing sports, it's not what you did yesterday, it's what can you do today and tomorrow and every day moving forward.

[A]

Okay, so let's get into it for a second. I actually, you know, it's interesting. I love the path that he had playing college football from this perspective and is he went to a level that was honestly well below his level of competency coming out of high school. Right. He was like a three, four star, whatever. And you know, he's recruited like Southern Miss level, so instead goes to Jackson State, obviously plays for his dad, but he gets to start for two years, then they jump up and he gets to start for two years at Colorado. And, and because he's. I mean, this is. Honestly, who should. Maybe this is a little bit too much in the belt, you know, behind the curtain. But in recruiting at my level, and really kind of at any level but my level, we don't necessarily want a Power 5 kid transferring down because in order for a Power 5 kid to transfer down to our level, he likely didn't play. So he doesn't have the confidence because he hasn't actually done it before. And because he was at a higher level, he thinks that he's better than he actually is. Cause our level is actually pretty darn good, right? So he did the reverse, which is what we try and do in recruiting, which is, hey, start at this level, kill it and then go to the next level, get paid, but also play against better competition. But you have confidence. And we've recruited two D2 kids that have supreme self confidence because they were dominant. Division two, one division three player. Anyway, point is he's confident, he's well rounded, he's seen lots of different football because he's actually played it. But what everyone said was missing was really two things, right? It was the, in the lack of engagement in those meetings. And really it comes down to the feeling of entitlement. And then two, from a football perspective, it's does he have a big time arm and is he a big time athlete? Let's start with the entitlement piece does it as a pro, as a vet shows up, got the entourage, got a guy carrying his bag, somebody filming him. That's part of who he is. Does that affect the locker room at all?

[D]

No. We gotta understand, too, Doug, is this. It's a new day and age, man. These young kids, young men, they've grown up in a influencer era. Everything that they do, they want to record it. They want to have memories that they. They want to have everything on video. That's just what this generation is. And we got to get used to that. Like that. The arrogance. Like, oh, he's cocky. He's arrogant. He. He may have been. But I promise you, you want somebody with supreme confidence over somebody that has no confidence.

[A]

There's a middle. There's a middle ground there, right? I mean, look, what they try to do. What they try to do is they try to dictate where he was going. And so in.

[D]

That was a lesson learned, right? Like that. That was a lesson learned from them. If that's what they tried to. That's a lesson learned. But I promise you, I would rather you be cocky.

[A]

No question.

[D]

Then you have no confidence because the cockiness that many perceived him to have, he was somewhat humble because of what happened. I. I believe he's going to be a really good player because he has that. I can't be as cocky as I was if I'm trying to control where I go and I go in the fifth round. But Imma be me, and me is uber confident. Super belief in myself, and that goes so far. And I think people forget that, man, if you don't have belief, you might as well give it up.

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You. You could not be more right. TJ Hushman's not a former Pro bowl wide receiver. Joining us, the wide receiver whisperer himself kind of spent some time here with us in the herd. That said, hey, can you be. I know it's a new era. I would. We could go back and forth on whether or not it's a new era for quarterbacks with that. But that's. I know, it's new era. Can you be that guy with a media. Social media entourage following and be a backup quarterback in the NFL?

[D]

No. Now, you. If you're a young guy, if you're a backup, a year or two, possibly, but you. You can be a career backup and have that. No, I don't believe so. Now, the entourage is his older brother. So is it really. I mean, that's a family member that's doing the recording. Is Dion Junior. And so it's tough to have an entourage and people record you in this camera, that camera, when you aren't a starter. That, that is going to be tough. But once you become a starter, you're going to have to, you have to manage it. You, you can't. It can be over the top all the time. You are going to have to manage it because now other players are going to feel they can do certain things that they've seen you do and they're not you. And so it's a fine line that they're going to have to walk. But it's so far away. I don't mind the video. Everybody is recording themselves. Whether they're going to record themselves, they're going to go on live, they're going to go on ticks, whatever it is, or they're going to have somebody do it and it's done the right way and he's just doing it the right way instead of doing it himself.

[A]

Yeah, he's the only quarterback to be doing it. That's, that's, that's there. The positional part of it is going to be the interesting aspect.

[D]

We've never seen a quarterback do these things, but hey.

[A]

Yeah, but hey. Do we lose him?

[D]

No, no, no, no. I'm just sitting there like when these. The quarterback has always been the guy that is kind of quiet. He's going to lead, but he isn't doing these things. But he's. Look, his father may be the flashiest football player to ever play.

[A]

Ever.

[D]

Chains did. And so he's been bred this way.

[A]

No, I. Listen, I got it. I just. I. It's like you said, you can't do it if you're a backup. And now he's hurt, gives other guys an opportunity. Maybe they, maybe they fall on their face. Like. I think he's more talented than Dylan Gabriel. I think most people think that, but Dylan Gabriel, personality wise, is a great backup. But did you draft a guy in the third round to be a backup? I don't know. We'll find out. Let me ask you about Matt Stafford. So Shammy Vay comes out and says he's going to do some throwing next week. He was supposed to do some throwing this week. It's, it's. What's the old Yogi Bear expression? It's getting late early. If you're. If. Should the Rams be freaking out over Matt Stafford?

[D]

I'd be concerned if you haven't. Yeah, you're Matt Stafford. I met Matthew Stafford when he was going into his sophomore year at Georgia. So it's long ago he was a great throw out of football then. He's still a great throw at the football now. One thing he's going to be able to do is throw the football with great accuracy and great velocity. He. It will concern me that he hasn't practiced in training camp. That, that, that is concerning. Especially when you say, okay, last Saturday he threw 60 passes. We'll see how he feels on Sunday the next day. So if he felt good on Sunday, you at least would have practiced on Tuesday. And so to still not practice shows me he didn't feel good the next morning. Because if he felt good, he would have practiced. And so it has to be concerning. Like they can spin it any way you want to spin it. If Matthew Stafford isn't practicing, something is bothering him. And so if I'm the Rams, that's concerning because the Rams are Super bowl contenders, but they aren't super bowl contenders. If Matthew Stafford is an under center.

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Caleb Williams, can he play?

[D]

Doug, I'll say this, and I've told people this. If Caleb Williams does not have success, this won't go to the coaching staff. We can't blame Matt. Uber flu. And the offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson is proven. Ben Johnson resurrected Jared Goff. Ben Johnson had the number one offense in the league. Every year he was in Detroit, they were top three four or five moving the ball up and like we know Ben Johnson can get it done. If they don't have this is all going to be on Caleb Williams. Can he play? I'm gonna say yes, but I don't know why you didn't play the first game. Like it's a new system. Very interesting, but I'm gonna say yes. Caleb Williams can play. They have the weapons at the skill position. They reinforced that offensive line through free agency. But I'm slightly concerned. I'll say that.

[A]

Who's here? The best. Man, we gotta catch up in person. I appreciate you joining us. Thanks for being our guest in the herd, Doug.

[D]

I appreciate you, man. Take care.

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