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to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.
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Jason McIntyre
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio. It's Tuesday here on the herd. Jason McIntyre back in for Colin Cowherd, who's on a vacation and boy, is he missing a lot. The Lakers win again. Kevin Durant is horrific. We got the World Baseball Classic title game tonight and oh my gosh, an NFL trade just went down, shaking up the AFC even more. Rachel Nichols, we got a great show today. Oh my, don't you love it when a trade happens like right before the show?
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I mean, this is just a great week on the calendar, right? Of the sports calendar. Everything's happening.
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Jason McIntyre
Everything's happening.
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And even the NFL not in season chimes in.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes, with this deal, we, we got mock drafts dropping that I don't like at all. But it's not about the, the mock draft. Er, it's about the players. We'll get to that later in the show. But we got to start with the NFL trade. They're calling this a blockbuster. I don't know that I would go there. The Broncos and Dolphins make a a seismic trade. You got Jaylen Waddle going from Miami to Denver Waddle and a fourth in exchange. In exchange for a first, third and fourth. There it is on the screen. So the Miami Dolphins will now have the 30th pick in the first round, 30th overall and a third and a fourth. Miami pretty clearly signaling what they're doing. So a long time ago, somebody smart told me, jay, don't believe people when they say something. Believe people when they do something. Somebody comes out and says, oh, I want to start a business. And they're playing video games around the clock, right? Somebody says, I want to Write a screenplay and they're out boozing it up three nights a week at bars. Okay? Believe their actions for the last month and change. The Miami Dolphins have been said. We're not tanking. No, we're not tanking. That's not a thing we do. We just got rid of Tyreek Hill and Bradley Chubb so we could clean up our cap. And then the Miami Dolphins went out and said we're going to go get Malik Willis. See, that's not what tanking teams do. We've got maybe our franchise quarterback. And then now, five minutes later, here come the Dolphins trading one of their three good players. Guys, I'm not even exaggerating. The Miami Dolphins roster is horrible. Did I say horrible? Horrific. It's terrible. It's right down there with the jets. And it's very clear the signal is out. Miami is tanking. I know you don't want to hear it taking for the NBA. No, the Miami Dolphins have a clear vision. We need to clear up our cap, clean it all out. Let's get rid of the old players from the old regime and let's target the 2027 draft. They are loading up. I saw they have four third round picks or fourth round picks for next year's draft. Everybody knows next year's draft is the one with quarterbacks. Okay? Arch Manning would be the big prize. Everybody would love him. My jets would love him. They are also in full on tank mode. I mean, Geno Smith, really, seriously. And if you don't want to Arch Manning, fine car at Notre Dame's very good. Or you can just get the guy who comes out of nowhere and becomes the number one pick. Like Joe Burrow, who was absolutely not the number one pick after his first year at lsu. Or Cam Ward or Fernando Mendoza. None of those guys a year out were considered the number one pick. Someone always emerges. And it's clear the Miami Dolphins are tanking and looking to the future Malik Willis. I'm sure he has some buyer's remorse on accepting that contract. Obviously, the millions of dollars will be great, but it's going to be a rough season ahead for Miami. Now the other side of the coin is the Denver Broncos. And you've got to love this trade if you're a Broncos fan. They're doing cartwheels in altitude right now. I mean, Sean Payton gets a great weapon in Jalen Waddle, who fits in that offense perfectly. I know he hasn't been an all Pro. I don't even think he has a Pro bowl on his resume. And his numbers have actually declined a bit the last couple years. He had a great first two seasons in the league, I think 1300 yards in year two. And he fits seamlessly alongside Cortland Sutton, who's the big body, contested guy. Waddle, you see, is great over the middle, got the speed. They got young Pat Bryant, who looks like a player. They drafted him last year, third round pick. He showed well. You maybe move off of Marvin Mims, see what you can get for him. I like the tight end in Evan Ingram. Denver. The arrow is clearly pointing up. You've got the quarterback on the rookie deal and the move is fortify the roster. Broncos fans were a little upset that they didn't do more yet in the off season, kind of resigning their guys. No big splashes. This qualifies as a splash. I do wonder. Listen, the Trade just broke 30 minutes ago, so we don't know the details, but is it possible that the Broncos looked at the draft, analyzed guys from the combine said, listen, I don't think we can get anybody plug and play. That's at the Jalen Waddle level. This is a seasoned pro. He comes in, listen, Sean Payton's going to unlock some of his best stuff the same way Mike McDaniel did. I think this is a great trade for the Broncos. And I will add, folks, you look around the afc, there's a lot of uncertainty. I mean, hell, the Bills and Ravens, two contenders with superstar quarterbacks, they just dumped their coaches. What's that reboot going to be like? Patrick Mahomes is coming off a major injury, and I know they're saying all the right things. Oh, Mahomes. Yeah, he'll be ready for the opener. Okay. Well, you could say that. But again, what are your actions? They just went and traded for Justin Fields, who I probably would guess starts week one. I know the league wouldn't love that. They love Mahomes back in the saddle. But there's uncertainty in Kansas City. They don't have a secondary. I mean, they just lost their top two quarterbacks. So we're looking at Chiefs down, Ravens down, Bills. I mean, the Broncos just beat them in the playoffs in a hell of a game. But then you even look at the Steelers. What's their quarterback situation? Uncertainty that reigns there, too. Jacksonville, are they going to duplicate, you know, double digit wins? Houston has some major questions at quarterback after C.J. stroud's terrible playoff game. So the AFC is kind of sort of wide open. And the Broncos just watched the New England Patriots go from the seller to the penthouse With Drake May and adding Stefan Diggs. So I think this is a home run for the Denver Broncos. Just an outstanding move. Sean Payton Co. In Denver have done a phenomenal job pivoting from Russell Wilson's disaster to quickly number one seed in the AFC AFC Championship game. And my guess, I haven't seen an update in the odds. I think Denver probably is your favorite in the AFC heading into next season. So great trade for the Broncos. Miami Dolphins fans, as they like to say on social media, enjoy the projects. It's going to be a rough year for the Miami Dolphins. All right, let's pivot to last night's huge game in the NBA. And yes, I'm talking about the Lakers. I had an option here, folks. Do we start positive with the Lakers, or do I go after my guy Kevin Durant for not a great game and some bad troubling signs in Houston? We're going to elect to go positive with the Lakers because J.J. redick is really unlocking some incredible stuff with this Lakers team. They're one of the hottest teams in the league. Okay? Nine wins in their last ten games. Six in a row. Nice comeback in the second half against Houston last night. And guess who was doing it all. LeBron James. Hey, LeBron, I need you to pull back a little bit on offense. Pick your spots. What does LeBron do? Pulls back, picks his spots. LeBron, I need more defense. LeBron was great defensively last night. LeBron, more passing. LeBron's doing it all. J.J. redick has been magnificent. He's not going to win coach of the year because there's too many other great candidates. Joe Missoula's up there. You got Detroit's coach, obviously, okc, San Antonio, so many good head coaches out there. But after the game, Reddick talked about LeBron's new role with the Lakers. Listen to this.
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Rachel Nichols
LeBron in particular.
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Jason McIntyre
You know, it's one of the things
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Rachel Nichols
we talked about last week is just continue to be the best transition player in the NBA. And it's such a dynamic force for our offense.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, dynamic is the perfect word. So the offense struggled with that. Luka, to start the fourth. The fourth quarter was ugly last night. Yeah, I think the Lakers went like seven minutes without a field goal. Rockets could not do anything. And this is where Reddick comes in. And I know people were like, ah, this guy's a podcaster. Listen, if you listen to any of Reddick's podcasts, you know a couple things about him. Number one, the sun rises and sets with the numbers. He is very analytically based. And he watched Durant light up the Lakers in the first half. The midi isos against Austin Reeves, Marcus Smart. Durant was killing him in the half court and they were making the right passes. So what does Reddick do late in the game? He starts blitzing and doubling Kevin Durant as he comes over half court. And folks, I do love Kevin Durant and we'll go after him here in a minute for what's going on in Houston. But Durant wilted, folks. I've never seen a superstar, top 15 player in NBA history have an eight second violation, bringing the ball up the court because he was nervous about the double team. And another one like a few possessions later, he had an over and back because he stepped on the line. Kevin Durant was so uncertain, as you see these highlights, it started to melt down when Austin Reaves in the third quarter got like. Was up in his jersey and KD just lowered the shoulder and banged him and got a flagrant. And there he is stepping. I mean, Durant was totally rattled by everything Redick did. It was a masterful performance. And I know. J. Mack, why are you glazing the Lakers again? Come on, man, stop. They're not contenders, folks. Listen, I don't know what you want me to do. You said the Lakers couldn't beat the good teams. Last four games against good teams. They beat the Knicks, they beat the Wolves, they beat the Nuggets, and now they beat the Rockets. Those are all top six teams in their respective conferences. And I mean, listen, the Marcus Smart move, I don't know how many of you guys were watching this game last night. Lakers pull away in the final like 90 seconds. They go up 10. Marcus Smart is diving to steal an inbounds pass. There's something about JJ Redick unlocking the best version of Austin Reaves, of LeBron, Marcus Smart. I mean, hell, last night Deandre Ayton looked so bad in the first quarter. You could see the stars looking at the bench being like, can we get him out of here? Just watch the body language. LeBron and Luka, when he drops a pass, they're like. And it's understandable because Ayton, you know, calls himself the dominator. You know, he thinks he's worth all the money and then he plays awful and they pull him out for long stretches. But they were getting killed on the glass in the fourth quarter. And Redick, I watched the postgame, he's. He's like. We were in the huddle and I'm like, I trust Deandre Ayton puts him in, gets a couple boards, had six offensive rebounds, couple late buckets. Guys, I know J.J. redick. He's only a podcaster, but my brother and I used to watch this TV show in the 80s. I'm dating myself here a little bit. Called the A Team. Most people remember Mr. T, you know, great show. I could hum the theme song for you. Dun, dun, dun, dun. You know, a great, great show. And Hannibal the leader, usually at the end of the show, they would solve the mystery and win, you know, defeat the bad guys. He would pop a cigar in his mouth and say, I love it when a player plan comes together. And I'm just telling you right now, watching these Lakers the last couple weeks, JJ Redick's plans, they're coming together, they're coalescing. And the Lakers, they look like one of the best teams in the league. Fine. They're not the Thunder yet. Fine. They're not the Spurs. You're telling me they're not the third best team in the west because they're beating everybody else that matters. All right, we have a great show today. You could tell I'm fired up. NFL trademark. Lakers, another win. We got World Baseball Classic tonight. The guest lineup is off the hook today. Rachel's fired up about this trade. Like we got a lot of stuff going on and St. Patrick's Day, unfortunately.
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I know we fell down on the job.
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Jason McIntyre
There is not. I'm not going to, you know, blame anybody. I got dressed in the dark waking up to get to the morning meeting. But Rachel, any early thoughts on the trade? I know we'll hit it again later
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in the show, but just the diversity it's going to bring to the Broncos offense. Right. And the fact that he just gives them the explosive play cap they didn't really have. Also, if Bo Nix is really your guy, you want to give him as many weapons as possible. So I think this is a great move for the Broncos. I think it's worth investing what they invested. I thought it was interesting that they tried to make this deal before the trade deadline and that they said in the end the Dolphins price was too high. They wanted a first round pick plus. Well, the Dolphins got a first round pick plus. So I'm not sure what changed over that time. It might have been the third, fourth round swap and all those or whatever, but clearly they saw, I think, I think they saw how far they got in the playoffs this past year. And they were like, okay, we're ready to go for it now.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. So we agree. Broncos good, Dolphins less so. All right, coming up next here on the Herd, Kevin Durant melted down last night, had one basket in the second half. He's getting hammered online, and we haven't even got to the burner accounts and how players are playing on his team since that emerged at the All Star break. That's next here on the Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod. Pushing the same tired narratives down your throat every day, Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at the sportsbook and all the best guests. Do yourself a favor and listen to Straight fire with Jason McIntyre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jason McIntyre
Herd, we've got the voice of MLB and the NFL of Fox Sports. Joe Davis stopping by in about 20 minutes. Talk about USA Venezuela tonight. Everybody excited for that one? Just a great sports week. Come on. And I didn't even mention my men's Basketball League championship.
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Oh my Lord.
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Jason McIntyre
This week. I know Rachel loves hearing about those.
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How many? How many teams in your league?
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Jason McIntyre
There's six teams in the league.
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Congratulations on making it through that thick, dense forest of teams to the final.
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Jason McIntyre
You get the number One seed. You know, you win the semifinals.
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Oh, my Lord.
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Jason McIntyre
You know who's not going to a final? Kevin Durant. He's not getting anywhere near a finals. And listen, I. I will say I have a checkered history with kd. Obviously. I loved the move to Golden State back in the day. Defended it. I was taking arrows from all sides. It made sense. He was a two time finals mvp. It was not a weak move to leave the Thunder playing with Russell Westbrook. The other stuff that's going on now in Houston, I can't defend it now. I know. Let me preface this by saying Fred Van Vliet's injury in the off season was a killer. That was huge. He's their point guard. He's a veteran leader. He can run the show. He could get him in offense. You know who can't do that stuff? Kevin Durant, Reed Shepherd, Amen Thompson. None of them could do that. So part of this issue with Houston is on the front office. They did not find a replacement for Van Vliet or even, you know, could they have gotten Chris Paul? I don't know. Maybe nobody wants to play with Chris Paul because he's Chris Paul. It's just interesting watching Durant last night, folks. He was great in the first half. In the second half, he had one basket and six turnovers and a flagrant foul. Now, yesterday I walked into the building and I was like, I need some stats on Shengoon and Jabari Smith, the guys that KD took shots at from his burner accounts when those got exposed. All Star breaks. How are they doing in the second half? Jabari Smith's actually shooting it. Well, Shen Goon is having a rough time. He didn't play last night. Injured. And I guess the key word here I'm looking at is leadership. You're in a fourth quarter, close game late in the season. This game was big last night for both teams. And Wednesday's rematch, I would assume KD will bounce back with a 35 piece or something. But I saw zero leadership from Kevin Durant last night. Now, he did go to the podium afterward and listen, guys are going after him and you know, he looked a little confused about running the offense. Remember, this is a guy who always had a good point guard alongside him, whether it was Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving, he, he, he thrives when he doesn't have to do much. Let me just show up, make some jumpers, play some defense. That's my style. I don't want to be a leader in the locker room. He's made that clear and that's fine. I think that kind of sort of puts a ceiling on what you can be all time. But here's Katie at least taking some accountability after the loss. I lost to game force tonight. That simple. I mean my teammates could, I mean of course we probably going to make more three, but it's all, it's all me. I mean to be honest, I'm the offense and the opposing team is going use all their resources. Now let me get comfortable. It's just so weird. We are going to look back at Kevin Durant's career as just one of the wildest I can remember. Remember most of these all time greats stay where they start. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, you know, Kobe Bryant, most those guys all stayed where they were. Michael Jordan obviously ended with the Wizards. But like we don't really count that of course because if Jordan did win the championship, it didn't happen, right? That's what the Jordan stands like to say when he was with the Wizards at the tail end. And in this era it's the player empowerment era. Everybody has their thing, right? Curry with the threes, LeBron, player empowerment. Everywhere LeBron goes, he wins championships. What's Kevin's Durant's thing? I would be the best one on one player in like an all time bracket in NBA history. Okay, what's that worth? This is not a one on one sport. This is a team sport. You want to be a one on one star, go, go play badminton or tennis, you know, or bowling. Basketball is a team sport and I've seen zero leadership out of kd. It's disappointing because he is an all time great when he gets cooking. There's few players I like to watch more than Kevin Durant. But he looks so confused last night. Here he is talking about the double teams and the turnovers. We're talking about like a 37 year old veteran here. This is not some young guy Cooper flag being rattled by defenses. Listen to what he said. You just got to convert. Maybe I got to just get out the way, get in the corner, space the floor out for other guys. I think just that when I get the ball against certain teams they just going to sell out and start to figure out. I think I just need to get out the way and let other guys dribble. Now somebody smart on our team was like well J. Mack, is this, is he referencing? He sounds like he might be talking about LeBron James because LeBron hasn't come out and said this but him and Reddick clearly had some kind of meeting. Where? LeBron, I need you off the ball. I need you to play defense. I'm not asking you to spot up in the corner, but we, we don't want you on the ball as much. And is that, is that what KD's alluded to? I don't know. I mean, it's possible. But for KD to not have any answers. I know, Jay. Hey, that's the coach's job, guys. He's an all time great. And by the way, Udoka is a good coach. I mean, he just got put in a body bag by J.J. redick last night. Redick totally coached circles around him. But for KD to look that confused, what are we, 68, 70 games into the season, that. That's troubling. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd. Weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific grocery
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this is Levar Arrington here from up on Game. This message is brought to you by Apple Card. Apple Card members can earn unlimited daily cash back on everyday purchases wherever they shop. This means you could be earning daily cash on just about anything, like a slice of pizza from your local pizza place or a latte from the corner coffee shop. Apply for Apple Card in the Wallet app to see your credit limit offer in minutes. Subject to credit approval. Apple Card issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch terms and more at applecard.com let's get let's do some college basketball.
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Jason McIntyre
Let's bring in my guy, Aaron Torres, Fox Sports Radio. I've known Aaron for many years. He loves college basketball as much as I do. He'll be hosting Fox Sports Radio Thursday and Friday all day. Aaron, you're. You're rare. You want to host on the radio while all the games are happening? I want to just not be working and watch the games.
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Rachel Nichols
Well, as somebody who hosts on a lot of Saturdays and Sundays in August when there isn't much to do, yes, I would rather have wait like it was actually kind of sad we were on air Saturday night and we had the four screens going, games on every screen. I was like, this is the last Saturday we're going to get this for the very foreseeable future. So it's a fun time of year and there's a lot, I'll tell you this, there's a lot to talk about. It feels like there's more storylines, more intriguing players than there have been in years past.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, let's start with you making fun of me. Rachel got in her digs yesterday. A couple people call me crazy. So I like Cameron Boozer a lot. He's 18 and a half years old.
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Rachel Nichols
Sure.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm saying at right now where he is as a player, I mean he can't jump over, he can't jump on this stage. He doesn't have any vertical. He's so good, all around skilled. The most efficient player in Ken Palm history. You know the stats. I say right now he's ahead of the pace Nikola Jokic was when he was a teenager coming to America and playing the NBA and people took that. How can you compare them? Well, young Jokic wasn't as skilled as Boozer is now. Boozer has a better bag and I think he's maybe the best player in college basketball. I don't think he's the best upside. But I'm just curious your thoughts on Boozer and Duke as we head into the tournament.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. By the way, let's circle back to the Miami of Ohio at some point because I enjoyed your guys conversation about that and I agree with both of you. Cam Boozer. Okay, so I haven't seen a ton of Jokic 17 year old Serbia film to compare and contrast. Yeah. So no, listen, he is probably the best player in this tournament right now in this moment. And what I will also say is he's got a team that's uniquely built around his skill set. Now what's interesting about Duke and this is just going to be a conversation until they tip off on Thursday is two of their starters were out for the ACC tournament. Caleb Foster is probably their best guard and Pat Gongba is the guy. He's like a true seven footer. And I think what's interesting about him, I think he takes a lot of the pressure off of Cam Boozer, especially on the defensive end to have to kind of carry the weight on both ends of the court. So Cam Boozer is probably the best player in college. He's going to be a national player of the year and it's deserved. So I think there's Other guys with higher upside we could talk about. But I think the big thing for Duke is are they going to get those two guys back, Specifically Patrick Gangba.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. Are you hearing. I know you're plugged in many teams around the country. Do you think the big guy will be back? Or like foot soreness is so damn general?
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. No. So it seems as though he will be back. I'll be curious, playing a 16 seed on Thursday, if they end up bringing him back for the opener, if they just wait until that second round game, which I believe would be Ohio State and tcu, that would be the interesting thing. I actually think he's more important, the big man, Patrick Gangba, than the. Than Caleb Foster, the guard. And you would think, well, he's the point. But you know, Cam Boozer, too. I would say this. He's kind of a pretty good playmaker, kind of at the 4, at the 5. And so weirdly, I think the other big guy with him is as important, if not more important than Caleb Foster. To answer your question directly, I would not expect Caleb Foster anytime soon. I think think we could see Pat Gongba. I probably wouldn't assume it be for the opening game against. I believe it's Sienna.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, Sienna. All right, let's go to the team I have winning it all. I have Arizona. I really went out on a limb this year. I know Arizona really like them a lot. I had Duke last year. They let me down. I think Arizona, four first round picks in the starting lineup. I mean, they're, they're loaded. The only two losses were back to back. Pete missed one of those games. Do you have Arizona winning in it? If not, who do you have and what do you think about Arizona?
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Rachel Nichols
No, I probably have Arizona winning it. You know, I haven't. I'm actually, you know, I'm one of those guys. Like, I know when the bracket comes out on Sunday, every I call, what are your picks? Give me your final Four. I'm like, can you. Can you tell me the Duke injury report? Can you tell me the UConn injury report? Their starting point guard left the Big east tournament championship game. So Arizona, to me, is the best team. They've been the most consistent team. I was in Vegas on opening night, they played against Florida, which was obviously the defending champs, and Florida was a comfortable favorite. And Arizona won that game. And they haven't really slowed down. What I think is interesting about Arizona, what's interesting about college basketball, J. Mac, this year, I think you'll appreciate Rachel as well, is like we talk about the NCAA Tournament being such a guard driven thing, all of the best teams have good front courts and it's actually Arizona that probably has the best backcourt out of all of those teams. And so you mentioned buries, you mentioned Jaden Bradley. I think they are the, they are the deserved favorite, especially with the Duke injuries. And I think too, they have a pretty favorable path. I know Arkansas is hot, but Arkansas is probably the only team that I could see beating them out of that region. And you kind of need a perfect game from them because they're not very good in the front court. And so to me, I would say that Arizona, excuse me, has a very advantageous path and I do believe they are the deserved favorite. And when I eventually fill out a bracket, barring something surprising. And by the way, Jaden Bradley left the Big 12 championship game for a minute with a wrist thing, so. But assuming that he's good to go, they will probably be my eventual.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, so here's my Final Four and then give us yours since you haven't done a bracket. So I have Arizona, Michigan, I mean, shocker. And then I have Duke against Illinois. I saw, I know Illinois is a little out there. Rachel agrees with three of these. She has a different one we'll reveal soon. Anything you love or hate here. And again, I'm a big boy, I can take it.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, I don't love the Illinois thing. You know, it here's the thing is that I think that the thing I've learned through the years covering this tournament, but also just loving college basketball, is generally, I like the thing that I've decided the last three or four years. When a team shows you who they are all year, listen to them, you know. And so like I'll give you an example. I'm a Yukon alum. I'd love to sit here and say, Dan Hurley, we're going three and four. Everything's good. You know, I watched 32, 33 UConn games. Everything is not good. That team has flaws. And so with UConn, I do think they have a favorable draw. But I bring it up because I'm not going to sit here and dismiss what I saw the last four or five months. And with Illinois, I like Illinois, but four and five in their last five J. Mac, I'm sure you know the stat. No team that's ever lost their conference tournament opener has ever gone on to win the NCAA championship. Illinois did, but, you know, you don't have winning the national championship. Listen, I'll say this that bracket does feel pretty wide open. Florida's obviously not coming off a very strong showing at the SEC tournament. I think Houston's good. They're not what they were a year ago. And so stranger things have happened. JMR J. Mac, I'm not going to pick you apart on that.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay? I want. I got to ask about Acuff. A lot of people are saying, oh, he's better than Derrick Rose, better than John Wall, better than Booker when they were in college.
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Rachel Nichols
It's the Cam Boozer, Nikola Jokic thing, because I've been in this argument for about three months.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, wait, except Derrick Rose took Memphis to the Natty within seconds, if not for Chalmers, of winning at all.
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Rachel Nichols
Well, it just depends what your definition of, like, best or greatest or whatever. Yeah, because I think that's been especially like the. The Kentucky contingent who has followed Caliperi's career. John Wall, you know, led Kentucky to an Elite Eight. And I think that's what they've been saying is, let's see what, what Darius Acuff does in the tournament. But I actually went back and looked at the stats. The stats actually aren't even comparable. The crazy thing about Acuff with any of these guys, one, and Kelvin Sampson said this before they played Arkansas this year, is he's a great shooter. Like, I think we think, oh, the finishes at the rim and all this, he's shooting like 43% from 3, which is insane. And the other thing, too, that I don't think he gets enough credit for. He doesn't turn the ball over like it's. It's bananas like that. I think the Alabama game, it was a double overtime game. I think he played like 49 minutes, had one or two turnovers. It was the most preposterous stat line I've ever seen. Super efficient. I think, listen, we could get into the semantics of whatever. I think he had the best regular season of any Calipari guard ever. But to your point, J. Mac, you know, Derrick Rose has the tournament success. John Wall went to an Elite Eight, dear. And Fox went to an Elite Eight. So Acuff obviously has some games to win. And to your point, a tough path with Arizona.
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Jason McIntyre
They do have a tough one. I want to go back. You said UConn doesn't have a bad path, and you're right. I'm looking at it now. Have you heard anything on UCLA's two injured players?
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Rachel Nichols
Aaron, Mick Cronin said all the right things after, you know, and this is. They all do. I'll also Say, this is that when I look at the conference tournaments, like, I am somebody who loves conference tournaments. I've covered them for years. But at the Big east, you know, whatever I was thinking watching this conference tournament, when the two UCLA guys go down, when Jaden Bradley goes down, I don't know that that is the most efficient way to be doing things the week before the biggest games of the season. But Mick Cronin did say, like Billido and Donovan Dent, who are their two best players? They both left one each. Each one game Friday and Saturday. He said they'll be back. I have no reason to believe that they won't be. Donovan Dent looked like he could have come back in that game on Saturday. And I think they, you know, Mick Cronie was probably ready to get on the plane and come back to la. And so I assume that they will be good to go. And I think that is an interesting one to watch because I actually think they match up favorably or fairly well, probably is the right way to put it against UConn. UConn's really struggled to guard the perimeter. And again, I've watched way too many of their games here on FS1. Of course, lovely FS1 and Fox, but I've watched way too many of their games. I think Donovan Dent can give them problems, assuming he's.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, that's the problem. I, I've reached out to a couple UCLA boosters.
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Rachel Nichols
Okay.
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Jason McIntyre
I will let you know. Nothing yet. But if those guys aren't around, UConn's going to the Sweet 16.
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Rachel Nichols
No doubt.
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Jason McIntyre
And I'll be honest, I don't love Michigan State. No. I don't even know if I think Louisville, South Florida, that's one of the games. I bet we'll talk about those, I think, tomorrow real quick.
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Rachel Nichols
I don't want to burn your sources, but what are they saying about the UCLA situation?
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, well, I'll let you know when I hear.
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Rachel Nichols
Okay, I'll text you.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes, but Louisville's another one and they're in the quadrant with Yukon. Mikhail Brown. Yeah, he missed the last four games like he's an NBA guy. Does he want to jeopardize a being a lottery pick and to play against South Florida? So I, I.
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Rachel Nichols
And they've been kind of playing. I don't want to say they play better without him, but they played reasonably well in the ACC tournament, beat smu and I think there was Miami. I think they lost. There's so many games last week I can't keep track of.
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Jason McIntyre
So talk people off the ledge here. The last time Purdue won the Big Ten tournament, they went all in. They lost as a number one seed in the NCAA tournament. They just went all in, took down Michigan, are flying high. Some of my buddies are like, oh, should we bet Purdue to win the daddy? I was like, whoa, slow your roll. They're not losing a queens first ever
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Rachel Nichols
NCAA tournament, first year of eligibility. That's a pretty cool story. Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
And Purdue's gonna beat him. I don't know any Miami, Missouri, I don't feel confident about them. And then Gonzaga's not good. Can AJ DebonSA get on a run and pull it off to the Elite Eight?
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Rachel Nichols
It's not inconceivable. No, it's not inconceivable. And AJ has been so awesome. And I'll say this is that once the season went sideways for people who haven't followed the BYU story, they know they have a lottery pick, whatever. They've had six season ending injuries. I mean that is preposterous. And this guy like. And I'll give him so much credit and his family is the best. I've known his, his parents for a long time and specifically his dad Ace. They the converse like I thought from the outside I was like, I wonder if he's just going to shut it down. He's done what he needs to do.
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Jason McIntyre
He.
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Rachel Nichols
And instead it's the exact opposite. He's playing 40 minutes every night. He's going, you know, he had 40 points in the Big 12 tournament opener, you know, averaged. How about this? He made the all Big 12 tournament team and they didn't even win in the quarterfinals. So yeah, to your point, I clearly don't have the box scores in front of me. But I mean you just talk, listen, if you can get 32, 35, 40 in Big 12 games, there's nothing you're going to see in the tournament that you aren't going to be ready for. And the other thing I would say too, that's been cool to follow his story. You could just see him getting more and more and more comfortable over the course of the year. I don't know if you'll ask me before the end of the segment, but that would be my number one overall pick.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Rachel Nichols
Oh, he would be, yeah, 100%.
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Jason McIntyre
So that I have. I had a hot take in the meeting this morning. People did not like it. I said I don't want the number one pick in the draft this year. There's too many good players and inevitably whoever you pick is going to have a Lot of pressure to deliver as the number one when shooting. Shucks a cuff. Debona. Boozer. Caleb Wilson.
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Rachel Nichols
Caleb Wilson's my guy.
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Jason McIntyre
Boozer, head to head. It was like, oh, my gosh.
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Rachel Nichols
So I will say this. It's so unfortunate that Caleb Wilson will not be in this tournament. And I say this all the time about him. You know, as somebody who covers, you know, the high school and the college stuff, every kid you meet, I'm built different. I'm a dog. I'm. You know, and it's like. And then they get to college, it's like you're averaging nine a game at Clemson. Everybody calm down, you know, and so Caleb Wilson is that guy. Go back and look. He outplayed. He actually outplayed Darren Peterson. It was one of the games where Darren Peterson, he actually played a reasonable amount in that game. UNC played BYU in an exhibition. I know you don't want to take too much out of it, but he was really good in that game. And he outplayed Cam Boozer. And so it's such a shame that we're not going to get to see him in this tournament. And I do think that it does put a definitive ceiling on what North Carolina can do.
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Jason McIntyre
Oh, I took VCU in that one.
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Rachel Nichols
There you go. I will. I will. When I eventually fill out my bracket, I will.
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Jason McIntyre
All right. So you just saw some Darren Peterson highlights. I just, you know, you ask anybody around the sport, and it was kind of a mystery. There was a lot of.
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Jason McIntyre
I think he was thinking NBA. He has played a lot more lately, as you notice. I. I don't know. I can't tell if they're dangerous or not. Aaron, where do you fall? They got Cal Baptist. Baptist has a lefty who's really freaking good. This point guard. Kansas will win. I'm not a believer in St. John. Sorry. Can Kansas give Duke a game? Peterson against Boozer. I. This Kansas team, I. That win over Arizona was like, whoa.
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Rachel Nichols
But they did it without Darren Peterson, though.
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Jason McIntyre
So now you add Peterson, or is Peterson, like, pull back?
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Rachel Nichols
It's been weird. Let me say this, is that I think, you know, for anybody who has followed anything that I do. And I. I don't mean to be like, oh, you know, listen to what I say or whatever, but I was one of the early vocal critics of Darren Peterson, and I think it got misrepresented of. I want him to play through injuries because I love college basketball. That's clearly not it. You know, he could be worth 500 million, 600, 700, $800 million before the end of his career. If he's not healthy, he shouldn't play. Where I think the frustration came out for a lot of people was that every day the story was different. One day it's a hamstring, then it's cramps, then he's playing full games, then he's pulling himself out. And you just could never get the definitive answer. But I think what's interesting is, is that since, you know, whether. Whether he's playing because he's healthy or because he was kind of under fire, under a microscope or whatever, I think you brought up the point. I don't think they have played as well with him in the lineup, trying to figure out how to reintegrate him into everything they're doing. We, you know, you and I will. Will, you know, one of us is going to win a steak dinner because I don't think they're beating St. John's in the round of 32.
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Jason McIntyre
Wow. Any coaches here under the most pressure. I mean, like Arizona's. Tommy Lloyd's not under pressure.
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Rachel Nichols
Oh, I would disagree. I. I think he's under the most pressure.
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Jason McIntyre
Tommy.
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Rachel Nichols
Really, they haven't. Arizona has not made a final four since 2001. And if you don't do it this year out of the west, the bracket that they got now, listen, if acuff goes for 50 and he has a Kemba moment or a Walter Clayton moment, that's one thing. I don't think the pressure is actually on Tommy to get to. To win a national championship. I think it's. If you can't get to a Final Four after this regular season out of the west as vocal, that's a, you know, rel. The fan base is passionate, but it's not like, you know, an Ohio State football fan base or an Alabama football fan base. But if they can't get to a Final Four, I think he's got the most. People say Shire. It's like, you know, Shire's in his fourth year. Like, he. Shire has elevated the program since Coach K took over. Like, that's an indisputable fact. If you look at the number flag
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Jason McIntyre
last year, they choked down the stretch. But let me go back to Lloyd. I need to take that back. I forgot about some of these bad losses. That Princeton loss cost me a lot of money. We don't need to talk about that. The loss to Houston, not that bad.
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Rachel Nichols
No, no, no. Two years ago he lost Clemson. Yeah, that was at staple of crypto.com arena. I was there.
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Jason McIntyre
You're good. Tommy Lloyd has some pressure. They're not losing in the second round here.
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Rachel Nichols
No, I think. Listen, and, and I think Arkansas is uniquely not a good. Like, I think Arizona is a bad matchup for Arkansas.
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Jason McIntyre
But if is Arkansas getting by Wisconsin, it's a fair.
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Rachel Nichols
You know what's actually really funny? I forgot this. There's some Arizona, Wisconsin tournament history from like.
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Jason McIntyre
Don't remind me.
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Rachel Nichols
AR Back to back Elite eights. Arizona fans, cover your ears. Back to back Elite eights. Wisconsin beat Arizona to go to the final four. 2014, 2015. Frank. So when the bracket came out, I'm thinking Arizona fans are going to be upset they got to face Darius Acuff potentially in the sweet 16. They're like, I don't want Wisconsin. I'm like, listen, Wisconsin is really good. If you can't beat Wisconsin, that's a you problem. I can't be worrying about 2014. Although. No, no, dude, those were so.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm a weirdo. Who remembers the bad losses more than the wins.
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Rachel Nichols
You may remember your bad bets or your. Your.
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Jason McIntyre
And I had Arizona in both those games against Wisconsin.
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Rachel Nichols
Well, I was.
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Jason McIntyre
Devastating losses.
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Rachel Nichols
The first one I was at, it was funny. Aaron Gordon was on Arizona. I was like watching the Nuggets or he plays for Nuggets, though I think the other night. And I was like, oh, yeah, I remember when he. So that game was crazy. It was an overtime game and I'm pretty sure no one had more than a one point lead for like the final 12 minutes or something like that.
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Jason McIntyre
Look it up on YouTube. That game was phenomenal. Arizona, Wisconsin. We got to go back to Miami of Ohio.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Something Rachel or I said triggered?
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Rachel Nichols
No, I want to give Rachel credit. I. I think she nailed it. This, like, because, you know, listen, you can't listen to dummies on social media. And not everyone on social media is dumb.
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Jason McIntyre
A dummy. Huh?
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Rachel Nichols
Not you, nobody. Nobody on set here. But this. I. I did see some they shouldn't be in because now teams are going to schedule to go undefeated. I'm like, I got to be careful what words I use here. What descriptive words. I don't want to, you know, get an SEC violation. You're good. You dumb. You have to be to think that you can schedule your way to a 310 regular season. You know how hard it is. You know how many ankle twists. You know, and especially at that level, jj, you know, like, you're. You're taking buses places, you know, you're taking two layover flights to go. And it's like this idea that, you know, and you brought up the great point. I don't have the number of. If it's five teams, 16, it's like seven teams, six teams, something like that have ever entered the tournament since, you know, the bracket expanded undefeated. This notion that we're just going to have nine undefeated teams next year because they let Miami in. It's one of the dumbest things that I've ever.
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Jason McIntyre
Yes, it's criminally stupid. All right, we'll wrap up with this. So an amazing story popped Yachts who went from uab. The NBA wanted him. He said, no, I'm going to go to Michigan. He says the player says Kentucky offered him 7 to 9, $9 million. Other reports say he settled on Michigan for 5 mil. He wanted to play for Dusty May. Okay, let's just big picture, take it away.
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Rachel Nichols
So I saw that story yesterday. I was running around. Let me say this. So Yoxel's a really interesting guy because I think, you know, I saw Dusty May was on the show with you guys. He was awesome. Yoxel didn't start playing basketball till he was like 18, 19, something like that goes to juco UAB and so he doesn't have like that media training of the dude that. And so he kind of like, even if you listen to him in a post game interview, he kind of just says like whatever's on his mind at that moment.
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Jason McIntyre
Love that and I love it.
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Rachel Nichols
I agree with you 100%. I don't know that I believe seven tonight, but I don't think that he would like intentionally lie about it. To me it was more like Kentucky probably was in the weeds on the recruitment and they were like, name your price. We'll do whatever it takes. And he's like, you know, I want to go to Michigan. That's where I want to go. You know. And I know you know this about, about college sports right now, J. Mac, but like he was the prize of the portal last year big time. And there were teams that were lining up. You know, I don't want to say anyone was tampering. And sir, I'm certainly let the record show I'm not saying Michigan was, but let's just say there were teams that were trying to figure out would he go in the portal and what would the price point be for months before he actually entered the portal, not saying anything, did anything illegal. You're allowed to talk to agents, whatever. And so it does not surprise me that if you've had your eyes set on him for months and you see him going another direction that you just throw out one of those. Whatever it takes. Yeah. What do you need? But was there a Publisher's clearinghouse check with $9 million on the desk? I don't think that there probably was.
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Jason McIntyre
Listen, that's. We're going to talk more about that story later. I would largely agree with your take. Maybe that's exaggerated, but he was the bell of the ball and it's worked out. Michigan's.
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Jason McIntyre
I think we just showed the odds on the screen. I think the second best odds to win the tournament. They were number one much of the season. It was worth it.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Nil works. Aaron Torres, Fox Sports Radio. Catch him covering the tournament Thursday and Friday. I mean all the time. He's all over college hoops. He'll do a early top 25.
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Rachel Nichols
Oh, you gotta do the way to
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Jason McIntyre
earn that stuff, dude. I eat it up. Aaron, Taurus. Thanks a lot, buddy. My man.
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Rachel Nichols
Thank you.
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