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Colin Cowherd
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Unknown
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, it is official. It is draft day. That will be live from Green Bay. We are live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. So this is, you know, we all love this day. This is a really fun day for us. J. Mac we'll start with the warriors because for a couple of reasons, the Sherry series may have shifted last night. Yeah, so we thought Houston would win. We, we said they couldn't play worse. Take Houston yesterday on the show, easy winner, easy winner. Take the Rockets. They're going to win. But it's how they won. So the NBA officials, the, the refs have decided throughout the playoffs and especially in this series, we're going to let them play. Now, that's not a huge surprise. We talk about this on a regular basis. Refs let them play in the postseason. That's a big edge, however, to Houston because they really let him play last night. They're longer, deeper, stronger, more physical. And once Jimmy Butler got hurt, well, the warriors were a sub.500 team before Jimmy Butler. So Steph Curry and a bunch of role players, not gonna work. And it's not just Jimmy Butler scoring or his playmaking. It's. The reality is they can just go after Steph Curry. All they have to do is rough him up, grab him, hold him. There's nobody else that can score consistently. So it makes the Warriors a completely limited team. It's not just the scoring and playmaking, the physicality of Jimmy Butler. The warriors, we know this, they're not deep. I said before the series, if they're not going to play Jonathan Kaminga, they're small and not athletic enough. And you take Jimmy Butler out, he's kind of the enforcer on that team with Draymond Green. The difference is he takes some of the scoring pressure off Curry. So right now, the NBA officials are swallowing the whistle whistles. It is the lowest free throw rate in NBA playoff history. Now, if you're the Celtics or the Rockets or the Cavs, Oklahoma City, and you're deep, that's okay. You can, you can Miss a star. Jason Tatum a great players out. Celtics don't miss a beat. Jimmy Butler out of the thin small warriors is a, is a series changer. So and again we, we said this before Jimmy Butler. It's just Curry and role players. So we have to wait for the test results. But if they're saying Butler's out for the next two games, the series is over. Now I full disclosure, I picked the Rockets anyway. I thought it was a bit of a cheap shot by Amend Thompson, who has a reputation. He did this to Giannis. He did this to Tyler Herro. His reputation precedes him. This is what he does. He a very athletic, physical player. He was going after Butler and by the way, Draymond gets guys worked up. But it's not like, you know, when people used to criticize Draymond Green. Draymond Green had a reputation and he still does before he gets into the arena. Amen. Thompson is their physical tough guy. He's the guy that's going to make things. He's going to be going to play that line. I thought it was a little cheap. I would have no problem if he got suspended for a game in the series, however long. Jimmy Butler's out, you're out, which is probably going to be a game. But the NBA has decided we're going to let everybody play. And so that means that Butler's not there. The warriors have been reduced to Steph Skirt. Steph Curry scores 40 points. We lose. Now Jaylen Green's not going to shoot like that on most nights. He is a hit and miss player. You could look at his last eight games. You don't know what you're getting with Jaylen Green. He had a great performance. That could go down to nine points in his next outing. So again, Houston came in with their coach, former Celtics coach. We're going to get after him physically. They're not going to come into our house and go up 2 0. So there was an absolute game planned by Amen Thompson, Jaylen Green. It was be hyper aggressive. We have a deeper roster and it worked. It doesn't affect the Celtics who played without Jason Tatum. But you can't take Butler out of the warriors of the series is over and here's Steve Kerr and you just.
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Ime Udoka
Re respond and react with what you have to do terms of, you know, making a sub and trying to think about new substitution patterns, who you want to pair together, all that kind of stuff. So obviously feel terrible for Jimmy. Hopefully he's okay.
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Jason McIntyre
And you know, it's funny, it's not like what Amend Thompson did. I'm all worked up about. I mean I, I, I spent a lot of my years watching Kurt Rambis get tackled by the pistons. If the 70s and 80s basketball was allowed today, you'd have fans rushing on the court. But I, but I do think the NBA has always protected stars. Just like the NFL change rules to protect stars. This to me is one where I would have no problem saying, hey, as long as Butler's out, you're out. It wouldn't bother me at all. Probably not going to happen. But remember, leagues do this. It's not hard to figure out. In the NFL rules you can't touch the quarterback. Well, the NBA has always been a star driven league even more than the NFL. So I think Butler maybe misses a game, but that's a game they're not going to win because you just only have one outlet. After Steph and the Rockets have figured it out without Butler on the floor. Clutch and grab Curry. Push, grab, clutch. And the refs are letting it go. So it's a really disadvantage for the warriors the way the officials are letting the Rockets a much deeper team play. It's surprising the Rockets were so ill equipped in game one. Here's IME aduca on the Rockets. Chippy play, that's who we are, you.
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Unknown
Know, that's our identity for the most part. So like I said from the start of the playoffs, we don't have to flip a switch and try to get tougher, try to get more aggressive. That's kind of what we built everything on. And so that carries over the playoffs. We understand that. And if they let us play both teams, it's in our favor for the most part. Golden State as well. It's physical, you just have to play through it. You can't expect it on one end and then cry about it on the other. And so if it gets chippy, we've seen over the last two years, you know, that works in our favor for the most part. Gets us amped up and. But when you have a lead up 20 and things start to happen, you understand why. And that's kind of the last resort.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, so the way the league is officiating the playoffs, they're letting even more go than I suspected. Big advantage. Celtics, Cavs, OKC and Houston. Really deep athletic teams. Okay, so there's a story that Shadour Sanders is really slipping in the draft. Could go 21 to the Steelers. I will, by the way, in 45 minutes, 50 minutes, I will have my final mock draft this is not what I would do. This is what I believe happens in the first round of the draft. First 15 picks. So 45 minutes from now, my prediction on what I think the first 15 picks will look like. So this is a very, very weak draft. So if Shador Sanders is falling in the draft, you know, it's pretty obvious that Shador Sanders is not lighting the world up. There's also tmac. The receiver out of Arizona, I am told, is also falling in the draft for separate reasons. But here's my thing about Shitter sliding to Pittsburgh. I would rather go to Pittsburgh at 21 than Cleveland or the Giants with a second or third pick. I really would. Ownership stability, roster composition and a patient franchise. The Steelers have DK Metcalf. They'll trade the other receiver. They have a very good tight end, Arthur Smith, more than capable at oc. It's a very good roster. I'd rather go there. Dan Marino fell in the draft to hall of Fame coach Don Shula. Do you realize that the jets could have picked him with Joe Walton as a head coach earlier? Do you think he would have ended up having Dan Marino's career? Patrick Mahomes went 10th that year. If he would have gone second, he would have gone to the Chicago Bears. Andy Reid was not coaching the Chicago Bears. You start looking at. When Aaron Rodgers fell to Green Bay, you know where he could have gone? Mike Tice, Minnesota, or. Or Mike Nolan, who wore a suit on the sidelines for San Francisco. Would that have been better? So I think with the current NIL model, the fact that your dad's Deion Sanders, you're making seven figures in college, play the long game. I would rather go down 10 draft picks, 12 draft picks to a better franchise. Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers are the two legendary drops in the first round. I mean, ask yourself this. Jordan Love. The packers moved up for Jordan Love. That worked out pretty well for him, didn't it? If you could go to the Green Bay packers or 23 other teams in the NFL, who would you choose? So I think we talk about this. Where you land matters now? I have my issues with the Steelers, Mike Tomlin, defensive coach, defensive culture. If they have a bad year, I think they could. You know, Mike Tomlin's not going to be around forever, so. And he'll get a TV job in a heartbeat. But with the NIL model and college kids coming out with some money in the bank and your dad's Deion Sanders, I would have. I would much rather go to a stable ownership group. All this Short term money, it doesn't matter as much anymore, at least for quarterbacks. I mean, at these top 20 football programs, everybody's getting money. Tight ends are getting money, right? Tackles are getting money, safeties are getting money in college football. So it, the advantage to that is not only short term for the players being able to, you know, afford a nice car or something, but, but you can take a deep breath and not be emotionally tied into knots if you drop. Because if he went to Cleveland or New York, Shador Sanders has to play immediately. And he is the savior. He's not the savior in Pittsburgh. That's not what he would be. He would be the starting quarterback. The franchise doesn't need saving. It needs improvement, but it doesn't need saving.
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Colin Cowherd
Cleveland needs saving.
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Jason McIntyre
The Giants need everything, including saving. So that's where we are today. Lance Erlein was on Yesterday, worked for NFL.com covered the NFL for 20 years. Talked about just this quarterback class, not very good compared to last year's.
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Ime Udoka
From a comparison, it's terrible. It's not even close to last year's. Obviously Shador is going to go into first this year. He would have gone maybe in the second round last year, maybe even in the third round because teams don't like, they don't like drafting players in the second round. There's only been six quarterbacks drafted in the second round over the last 10 years. 35 first rounders and 14 third rounders. So it's like that's a line of demarcation. You're either a starter or you're a backup.
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Jason McIntyre
So the odds continue to suggest that Shadour Sanders will slide down to 21 and the Pittsburgh Steelers again. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. The two most famous slides, Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers, went to good coaches and stability. And now Shador comes out. Dad's a legend. Nil money. So what. I mean, there are guys now in college, staying in college for another year. We're seeing this. I mean, Carson Beck's like, I could get drafted in the sixth round or I can go to Miami and make $10 million. So I just, I think the Nil has changed it. It's so what? You drop. What you don't want to do is go to a franchise that is a mess. And we all know about 8 to 10 of these franchises are a mess. All right, there's about eight greatly well run franchises, another six to seven who are mostly on a consistent basis, solid. Then there's 15 messes. J. Mac I'm going to do in 45 minutes my mock draft.
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Unknown
Colin, wait, wait. The Steelers are not a mess. A franchise that hasn't known offense for the last, I don't know, six years.
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Jason McIntyre
That'S not a mess.
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Unknown
The most expensive defense or one of the most expensive defensive rosters in the league.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Unknown
Haven't won a playoff game in forever.
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Jason McIntyre
They need.
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Unknown
They're not a mess.
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Jason McIntyre
No. They need adjustments.
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Colin Cowherd
A mess.
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Jason McIntyre
Has been the Titans a mess before CJ Stroud.
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Unknown
Playoff wins in the last five years in the Steelers.
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Jason McIntyre
But the Steelers draft better. Better roster composition, more stability and ownership. Front office coaching. I mean it. It's. Again, Pittsburgh has underachieved relative to their division. I'm not denying that. But they do get to the playoffs. That's not a mess.
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Unknown
So that's the bar. Just get.
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Jason McIntyre
Well, no, you're not a mess if you're getting to the playoffs. Now, now. I mean, they win more. Think about this. They win more regularly than the Niners. Go, go. Look, even with Kyle Shannon. Good year, bad year, Good year, bad year, Good year, bad year. The Rams win almost every year. The Steelers win almost every year. They do win every year in the regular season. So my take is the Steelers aren't a mess. They're just not. Again, relative to the top teams in the league. They are still too defensive minded.
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Unknown
And I love this whole Shadour narrative. Let's just remember, everybody, the league has no clue how to draft quarterbacks. Let's just get that out there. First and foremost, okay? Trey Lance going second. Zach Wilson second. Patrick Mahomes sliding behind Mitch Trubisky. The league doesn't know what they're doing with quarterbacks. Shador may be good.
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Colin Cowherd
He could be Drew Brees.
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Unknown
No, we know.
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Jason McIntyre
I think.
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Unknown
Accurate as hell.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah. No, I think Shedeur is going to be a nice NFL quarterback.
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Joel Klatt
I do.
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Jason McIntyre
Good B plus quarterback in the league. I do. I think he's more talented. I think he's absolutely more talented than Dak Prescott. I think he's more talented than Brock Purdy. I think he's more talented than J.J. mcCarthy, who everybody loved last year. I think he's more talented. So I think he's a talented kid. I don't think he's a star and I don't think he's an A prospect.
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Unknown
He's got some growing up to do. But is Kyler Murray a star? He's got growing up to do. He hasn't won anything. I don't know if Kyler Murray's that good.
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Jason McIntyre
I think if you ask most GMs today, Kyler Murray, all things considered, including his contractor Shedeur. You take Shador. Yeah, yeah. Because you know, I mean, that's part of it. So I, again, I, I how about this?
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Unknown
Can Shador be a top 15 quarterback?
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Jason McIntyre
Yes.
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Joel Klatt
Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
With the right landing spot?
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. I believe so.
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Unknown
Top 10?
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Jason McIntyre
Probably not.
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Unknown
There were moments where Kirk Cousins was a top 10 quarterback in the league fringe. Top 10, but top 10.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah.
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Unknown
Dak Prescott, mid round quarterback. He was a top 10 guy.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah.
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Jason McIntyre
Again, when he had the right components to the roster. Yes. I think if Sher goes to the right play, I mean the Steelers star receiver, really good tight end. They lost their left tackle, Anaji Harris, but it's a great running back draft. So they're drafting another running back.
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Unknown
Which star receiver are we talking about? The one who unfollowed the Steelers on Instagram this week. Oh, Pickens, it never stops.
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Jason McIntyre
All right, we got a lot of stuff coming up. Joel Clapp today as well. Live in la, it's the Herd.
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Unknown
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Jason McIntyre
All right, here we go. Joel Cladden. My mock draft. It is our number two. It is great to have you in. It is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. I don't think the NBA is going to suspend Amen Thompson. I don't. But I'm saying, based on his resume, the violence of that move. Jimmy Butler's a star. Do you think? I do. I think they'll have a meeting today and talk about it. Yeah. You know, it is what it is. All I know is the NBA is letting guys play and it is a huge edge to the deep Celtics, the deep Thunder, the deep Rockets, the deep Cavs. Like Golden State without Jimmy Butler may not win another game in this series.
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Unknown
Well, they're not.
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Colin Cowherd
Come on.
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Unknown
They're not going to get dusted without butler. They were sub 500 without himi was sick and he could. He was like over 5. Couldn't do anything.
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Jason McIntyre
They.
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Unknown
They'll. They'll be fine. I don't know that they'll win the series. But yeah, I would take Rockets in seven if Butler misses a game.
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Jason McIntyre
By the by the way, I'm not anti Rockets. I took the Rockets to win the series. I'm just saying the men Thompson's resume, his history he has been, you know, he grew up legendary stories in Houston. You know, he and his dad, his brother, they'd play all day and they were feisty and fight and there's all these stories about a men's history. He's a tough kid. I love having guys like that. But Draymond Green was always judged more harshly and I think fairly based on his career resume.
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Unknown
To your point, what if the league says, hey, you see that Warriors Lakers matchup boy we'd love that. Let's sit Amen Thompson for a game so we can get Curry LeBron next round because you know the executives are dancing in the streets over these ratings so far. Wait until they get LeBron Curry in the next round.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, ratings have been good. Okay. Now I, I did a I do two mock drafts. The first one is what I would do, which is just for fun. You can hold me accountable. The second one is this is what I think is going to happen. So I was on the phone last night, yesterday afternoon and this morning there was a lot of Bears rumors, but the reality is about Ashton Genty. But again, to make a trade work, a lot of teams want things. I'm told the Jags want to go get Travis Hunter. Well, what do we get right? Like what do we get for it? So there's a lot of conversations, there's a lot of calls. Very rarely do you get moves in your top 10 picks, but there's a lot of calls on it. So here is what I'm hearing. Here is what I believe will happen. Number one, Cam Ward. This is an easy one. Good fit with Brian Callahan's offense and more than anything, he is a major talent upgrade over who the Titans played at quarterback last year. Last year, Tennessee's quarterbacks combined for 22 touchdowns and 21 picks. This is a no brainer. Number two, most talented athlete in the draft. I think a historically gifted athlete. Travis Hunter goes to Cleveland. They are getting calls on Travis Hunter and not just one. They're going to, I believe, keep him. He's a very unique, maybe not a Shohei Ohtani, maybe he is, but just not a lot of guys ever like this. So he goes number two. I think the New York Giants are going to go get Abdul Carter. It is a starless draft and he is one of the four or five stars in the draft. Listen, they've already got a very good defensive line, but what a lot of teams do. Best player available. And there's no question at this point, he's the best player, player available. Patriots go offensive tackle. Will Campbell, lsu. Reality is they have the worst O line in the league. They can get running backs, tight ends and wide receivers elsewhere. There's only 4 or 5o tackles that people really, really like. Maybe fewer than that. Will Campbell. You got Drake May, now you got to protect him. Number five, the Jaguars go for one of the cleaner players in the draft, Mason Graham. They could not stop the run last year. And by the way, they've got Trayvon Walker and Josh Hines Allen. So he's a nice combo in there. And their defensive line will be set for years. So I think Mason Graham's a play that I, I love Mason Graham and a lot of it is. I watch so much Michigan football and Big Ten football. Every game I watched, he won the battle against any offensive lineman he faced. Number six, the Raiders. I believe they're going to get Ashton Genty. Listen, they need a receiver and they need a running back. And Pete Carroll is old school. He likes to create a run game. He had his most success with Marshawn lynch in the pros and Reggie Bush and Lendale White in college. They need him. I think this is a really unique running back. First round talent. Number seven, the jets go for Tyler Warren. Listen, I know they have a defensive coach. They don't have enough weapons, so Garrett Wilson needs some protection. I saw Warren play at usc and catch 17 balls. He's not Brock Bowers, but he's got so much dexterity and so much versatility. I don't think the jets can pass on him. They're just not a very. Jets get no tight end production. He solves it for the next five years. Number six, the Panthers, Jaylon Walker. I mean, again, it's another Georgia pass rusher. He was like a five star recruit. Hype, hype, hype, hype, hype. Sometimes he lives up to it, sometimes he does not. But again, in a super starless draft, he's a good pass rusher from Georgia. They generally work out okay. And number nine, the Saints, they could use offensive line help. I think they go with Mikel Williams from Georgia. Again, they didn't have a good defense last year. They got to rebuild their offensive line. But this feels like best player available. And again, these Georgia guys, it doesn't matter if they underachieve a little or they got some character stuff. They come into the NFL and they can play. And so that's where I think he goes. Number 10. The bears, they would love a star running back. I think the Bears are going to get Will Johnson the corner. Listen, they got Jaylen Johnson on one side. This is a team that spent a ton of money on offense over the last two years. They need to get cheap on. On defense. I think he's a very good corner. They have to upgrade their secondary. And remember, they spent money. They're spending money right now in their O line and their D line. They're spending money in the trenches. They got wide receivers. You can get a running back later. Go get the best corner. He doesn't run a 4, 3. He's an excellent corner in A division with smart offensive coaches. Number 11. Niners. I think they get Kelvin Banks. Left tackle Trent Williams is 37. They lost two offensive linemen to free agency. Aaron Banks obviously went to Green Bay and Jalen Moore went left tackle. Backup actually went to the Chiefs. So listen, if you're going to spend money on Brock Purdy, who's had a couple of injuries already, you got to protect him. I think this, in my opinion, is the best offensive lineman in the draft. Number 12, Cowboys, Omario Hampton. Listen, folks, they don't have enough offensive firepower. Jerry likes stars. He wanted to draft Johnny Manziel at one point. They talked him out of it. This kid is Joe Mixon with a better burst. Why not? I mean, again, if you're gonna spend money on Dak Prescott, you gotta get him weapons. And you got one right now in CD Lamb. I think they go big, big. It's exciting, it's explosive, and Jerry will love the attention. I think. Number 13, we have our first trade up. I think the Rams trade up with Miami. Miami moves back. The Rams trade up and get Colston Loveland, the tight end.
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Colin Cowherd
They were.
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Jason McIntyre
They tried to move up last year for Brock Bowers. It was too rich. So they're just not getting enough tight end production. So the feeling with the Rams is they've got Devonte Adams and Puka. They've got Kyron Williams, the running back. The O line is settled. Let's go get a star tight end for Matt Stafford this year and next, his last couple of years with the Rams, they move up. Dolphins move back. Number 14th pick. The Colts will take in their eyes the best player available, Armand Membu from Missouri. Guy's a monster. The reality is, outside of Quentin Nelson, Nobody else played 17 games on the O line for the Colts. Chris Ballard will be patient. He'll let the best player fall to him. And then number 15, the Falcons take Jihad Campbell. Now the Falcons, the last four draft, they've gone offense in the first round. That's why their defense is not very good. So Michael Penix is fine. The O line's fine. They got Kyle Pitts, they got Drake London, Bijan Robinson. They're off. Defense is fine. They need to be faster and more athletic on defense. And Campbell, Campbell's an underrated player. Most Bama players are not underrated. Guys, an unbelievable freak athlete. Best linebacker in the draft, probably. So this is what I think will happen.
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Joel Klatt
Okay?
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Jason McIntyre
This isn't what I would do. This is what I believe will happen. I do think the Rams will move up. I think they'll wait as long as they can. But I think the Colts would take Colston Loveland if he was available, and the Rams know that. So they're going to jump the Colts at the last second to get a tight end who, by the way, everybody loves. If he was available, I can tell you the Broncos would look at him, the Chargers would look at him and the Rams would take him. So I do think in the Rams don't have a lot of need. They need at some point an offensive tackle, a corner, a tight end and maybe an inside linebacker.
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Jason McIntyre
All right. Joel Klatt is in Green Bay. How exciting. How fun. Nicest people in the world are in Buffalo and Green Bay. Nicest people you'll ever meet are there. Okay, so I, you know, everybody's saying it's not a good enough draft to move up, but I tend to believe that these offensive coaches, when they see a unique piece like a Colston Loveland, they're like, oh, that worked. Now a defensive coach, maybe not, but you did a ton of Colston Loveland games. What did you see?
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Joel Klatt
I love Colson Loveland. I have him as my top tight end in the draft. And the reason. Here's the reason. I really like Tyler Warren as well, but they're different types of players. You know, Warren exploits space that is created through scheme, and he does it incredibly well. He's a creative player, but Loveland creates his own space, and that's difficult to do. And by the way, he produced with subpar quarterback play this last year before getting hurt at Michigan. You know, you look at the way that he runs routes from split out from in line, all over the place, and he wins. And by the way, there's. There's this misnomer that Tyler Warren is somehow way bigger than. Than Colson Loveland. They're basically the exact same size. I think Loveland might be, like five pounds lighter, but they're the same height. I love Loveland's ability to get open and. And to me, at the next level, in particular, in the red zone and on third down, from a tight end perspective, can you create your own space and win? And Loveland can do that.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, so there's another player that you saw a ton of in the Big Ten, Amica Buka, the wide receiver. He's not a burner, But I went to dinner with an offensive coordinator this past weekend. They're not going to draft him because of need. They loved him. He said, total pro starts day one. So, again, this is a guy that, when you looked at a lot of mock drafts, he was top of the second round. I'm sorry, but I have yet to talk to any source who didn't love him. Character, toughness. You did a ton of Buckeye games. What is he? What do you see?
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Joel Klatt
He's my favorite player. In the draft because all the things that you just talked about, he's one of the greatest young men that I've covered just as a person, but he's also incredibly polished as a wide receiver. And this is what you also have to realize, is that you've got to project from college systems into the NFL. And what position group in college football has been more dynamic and, and more can't miss than Ohio State wide receivers in the last five or six years? Colin it's the best position group in college football in terms of projecting to the National Football League and a mecca. Abuca is a great player. He can play in the slot, he's explosive, he runs clean routes, he is a great locker room guy, he catches everything. And here's one of the things and, and something that I'll share tonight when, when we get on the air. This will just tell you everything about his character and what they believe in at Ohio State in that position room with Brian Hartline as their coach. Jeremiah Smith was going to come in as a true freshman and Emeka Abuka stayed back and he wanted to play an extra year, not just for himself and to win a championship and so on and so forth, but he wanted to make sure that Jeremiah Smith had a connection to the lineage of the brotherhood of all the guys that are going to the National Football League. So that you can say that, yeah, it starts, you know, all the way back. Terry McLaurin and Paris Campbell and then Chris Olave and then Garrett Wilson and Jackson Smith and Jigba and then Marvin Harrison and Ameca Buka and Jeremiah Smith, he, he understood the links in that chain and wanted to stay back and mentor Jeremiah Smith, who might be better than all of them here in a couple of years. And that's one of the reasons he stayed back in Columbus.
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Jason McIntyre
So, you know, I've said this before. Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers famously dropped in the draft and they got Green Bay and Don Shula with nil money. Now, it doesn't bother me at all if I, if I had a son and you told me Cleveland, the Giants or the Steelers, I'd say drop in the draft and go to Pittsburgh. I don't love what they're doing, but they're really well run. They draft and develop players. So if Shador is dropping, he's not going to be a savior in Pittsburgh. They're just looking for a starting quarterback. The Giants in Cleveland are looking for somebody to get him out of messes. What do you make of the reports that he's dropping?
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Joel Klatt
They're true. First of all, I think it's 50, 50 that Pittsburgh takes him. I know that their visit went really well. And there's also this, this, this. I won't call it an issue, but there's this point that no one is making. Everyone's just talking about from the NFL perspective and the decision makers perspective. And I will say this. Remember, Shador has only played for his dad his whole life. Yeah, Colin, I think sometimes we forget that, like Little League on.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
The only head coach he's known is Coach Prime. And so I think that there is some thought in the Sanders camp that it's not only about the organizational fitness but the head coaching fit. And, and I know that they would love to play for Mike Tomlin. So, you know, however that happens, I think that that's probably the place that Shador would like to end up for all of the reasons you were talking about. And this idea of the alpha head coach who's. Who's hyper, confident and very successful, runs a clean program, I think that that's attractive for the Sanders camp as well. And that's something that not a lot of people have, have talked about.
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Jason McIntyre
So I had a general manager tell me it's a starless draft and Abdul Carter's a star. Somebody's going to take him high. You had, you did Micah Parsons games at Penn State. You did Abdul Carter games. Is he in that class? Is he as good as Micah?
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Joel Klatt
I think he can be. Because think about it, Micah, you know, Micah is dynamic and he's creative and he can play everywhere. I think as an off the ball linebacker, you can make an argument Micah is the better player. But I think as a pure edge rusher, I think Abdul Carter is better. I think he's a touch longer and a little bit more explosive in terms of his get off and pass rushing acumen. So as creative as Dallas can be with Micah Parsons, as good as he is, there's this in my mind, I think that as a pass rusher and a disruptive force behind the line of scrimmage that Abdul Carter could maybe even be better than what Micah has been in the National Football League. And listen, that that's high praise obviously because I hold Micah and as maybe the best defender in the sport right now. But Abdul Carter has that ability. And I would just remind people he's only played edge rusher for one season. Last year was the first time that he moved down and played edge kind of full time and they moved him around a little bit. But you looked at him getting Better and better and better all year. And then with one arm against Notre Dame in that CFP game, he had seven pressures and was a game record against Notre Dame. You know, to me like this guy is a no brainer. I think that he makes your team better. And I would be shocked if New York doesn't select him at three.
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Jason McIntyre
So I was saying earlier, it's Georgia players, even if they have character issues, even if they've underachieved a little, the bottom line is they get to the pros and they, they deliver. Ohio State's got some of that where Ohio State guys practice against Ohio State guys and you know, if you draft a corner from Ohio State, he is, he has been covering in practice for three years, first round receivers. So I do look at these Georgia players, some of which have underachieved a little. Do you think teams think about that and go, you know, he's a Buckeye, he competes against world class. I look at Ohio State and Georgia players, I did this with Saban and Bama. I'd be like, well, if Nick trusts him, you know, it's, I mean, do you, do you think teams think about that with like a Georgia or Ohio State?
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Joel Klatt
I think that teams are seeing some of these players and gosh, I'm blanking names off the top of my head, but you're seeing some players right now in the league, you know, go double digit sacks every single year that didn't have much production in their college career. And so when you, when you look at defensive linemen and particular edge rushers in this draft, you've got a lot of guys that you can put into two camps, traits, measurables, you know, potential or production at the college level. So you've got the Mike Greens or the Donovan Ezraku who had 17, 16 and a half last year, led the country, led the power four, and you've got that camp or you've got the Shamar Stewarts and some of these other guys that maybe underperformed on the stat sheet but have the traits that would suggest that they can come in and be explosive in the National Football League. I think that the trend is towards traits because you're seeing players. Who's the guy? Gosh, he was selected number one overall. Trayvon Walker, right?
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Joel Klatt
And, and he, he did not have much, he didn't start even much at Georgia and now he's becoming a guy that has I think 10 and a half sacks last year. Yeah, I'm hearing a lot of that out of NFL decision makers. But one thing that I would just throw in there, I know it's not specific to this question, Colin, but I think it's. It's an interesting, overarching theme that now we're going to have to deal with when we're talking about the transactional nature of college football. I'm hearing more and more and more of the question marks from these gms and, and coaches around the league of does this guy love football? And. And it's. It just strikes me that as college football becomes more transactional around transfer portal and nil, we're teaching kids that the biggest issue or. Or thing that they should be concerned about is their brand and how much money they're making. So then a lot of them make a lot of money in college football, and then they sit in these meetings in the draft process with these assistant coaches that they make ten times more money than, and they're like, I don't like, who are you? And so there's been more of that going on this, this year of, of, hey, this was a bad meeting. This or that. And it's like, hey, there's a lot of bitter assistant coaches in the National Football League that have not made a ton of money and they have not moved up the ladder. And then these kids walk in and they don't kiss their butts. And so then they run around to the next guy that'll write an article for him, and they start talking about how this kid's interviews were terrible. That's. There's a lot of that going on. It's a different nature of the draft process, I think, this year than any other year that I've covered.
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Jason McIntyre
Okay, finally. I watched Cam Ward at Washington State. I thought he was really talented. I didn't think first overall pick in the draft. Watched him at Miami. I thought, oh, he's really talented. I don't really think he's the number one pick in the draft. And now he is. So is this a matter of he plays the position and the team drafting really needs him? When you watched him in college, when did you ever think, wow, he could be a number one pick? I thought that with Caleb four games into usc, I thought it would. Jaden Daniels at lsu, I'm like, this kid put on weight from asu. That kid's a baller. I never looked at Cam as a number one pick. Is this just position and need? Did you, did you see him in college as a dominant player?
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Joel Klatt
Well, let's, let's, let's reframe it because we're not grading on a scale of 100 to be the number one overall pick. We're not rating him to be the number one overall pick. We are rating him on a scale, you know, like this. On a curve. Excuse me. And the curve is what else is available? If you're Tennessee, you have to select the best available quarterback, period. Cam Ward is the best available quarterback this year. I happen to believe it's a bad year to be in that position for Tennessee. If you're looking at the 12 guys that were selected in the top, or, excuse me, the six guys that were selected in the first 12 picks a year ago, I think Cam would maybe be fifth or sixth in that class, probably outside of the top six. And yet this year he's going to be number one. That's not a knock against Cam. That's just. That's the year in which he's coming out. He's got great confidence, great arm strength, a quick release. He can threaten every blade of grass out there. But there's no doubt he's going to have to grow and develop at the next level. And I think that he can. I really do. But. But it's a curve. It's not a scale to 100. It's a curve. And. And he's got the right year to be at the top of the curve.
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Jason McIntyre
Yeah, he's got the right year. That's absolutely. Joel, real quick.
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Joel Klatt
I know you put up your. Your mock draft. Let me just tell you, okay? Genti's going five. Jacksonville. Okay, so. So switch that. Mimbu does not get past the Bears. There's no chance Mimbo is going to be a top 10 pick. Will Johnson is sliding along with Jihad Campbell because of injury issues and medicals. And if the Rams are trading, it would be for Amari on Hampton. And if there's a trade for Loveland, it's likely to be Denver. So watch out for that. Yours is really good. Really good. You're right. You're on the same track as. As. Most people are very good, informed. But watch out for Mimbo in the top 10.
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Jason McIntyre
So will Johnson. So the Bears would go offense again. They've done a lot of offensive line, I think.
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Joel Klatt
Offensive line.
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Jason McIntyre
What about the Niners and Kelvin Banks? They need offensive linemen.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, they do, but they need everything. Remember, like, they're. They're decimated from free agency, so they need to rebuild their roster overall. So I. I believe that they're going to just take the best overall player that they.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey.
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Joel Klatt
As they see on the board, if.
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Jason McIntyre
The Rams like Hampton is that acknowledging that Blake Corum was a miss.
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Joel Klatt
That's a, that's a good thought. It's. That's a possibility. There's no doubt. It's also an acknowledgment that Hampton is a pretty dynamic player, both catching it and running it. So, like, I think that that Sean really likes him. I don't know if they're going to they're going to trade because they also love Colson Loveland and they also love a Mecca Buka. So in my mind, I think they would be happy with any of those three and they feel like they could probably stand pat and get one of those three. They're hoping Omarion drops to them. I don't think that they would release capital to go get him knowing that they love Colston Loveland as well as a Mecca Abuka.
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Jason McIntyre
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