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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Best of the Herd.
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Jason McIntyre
With Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio.
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Colin Cowherd
Hello and welcome to the herd. A beautiful Friday because the Knicks won last night, baby. It's me, Jason McIntyre in on a Friday for traveling. Colin Cowherd.
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Jason McIntyre
He's.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know if I can say, parts unknown. I think he's going to be posting on IG later. I'm joined by Alex Curry. Alex, not only do we have a great Thursday with the Knicks winning, but we have Yankees Dodgers this weekend. I love when you get a good slate of games, but you're the first person I thought about last night. I was like, what an awesome Friday show. It's going to be jmax Nick's fight to live and see another day. I was exciting. Listen, I. I gotta say I'm excited. I'm going to a Yankees Dodgers game. This my first one. Was able to secure some tickets. I can't really say I don't want to. I don't need everybody coming up to me at the game. Let them know where you're going to be. By the way, I went to a Kendrick Lamar concert. Good for you. Last weekend with the fam. And there were some Herd fans who were like, j. Mack. Yeah. And I was like, we love Ken. He's. He's a family friend. You obviously are close. I won't reveal that stuff. But anyways, life is good out here in life is good if you're a Knicks fan. Folks, we have a series once again. Knicks get the win at home at the Garden last night. Pretty convincing wire to wire. I don't want to overreact, but I think they're actually back in the series. Okay. They dominated last night. I don't think there was 1/10 moment in the second half. I don't even know if it got to single digits. I know there's going to be a lot of basic analysis out there today. Hey, the Pacers didn't really try. They had game six at home, so you could see they were lethargic. You had to watch the game closely, guys. And the Knicks actually made some adjustments. Tom Thibodeau, thank you for making changes. I mean, it's a small things like Tyrese Halliburton had an awful game and we'll get to him later. But it wasn't just he played poorly or he wasn't locked in. The Knicks made adjustments again. It's a small thing, but they picked him up full court. You know, as a guy who plays in men's leagues, you got to pick up full court. Point guards hate that. Tyrese Haliburton struggled against the full court pressure. Only ended up taking seven shots. And the Knicks defense was so good for the first time in the entire series. Guys, the Knicks won the turnover battle. Yes, they forced the Pacers into more turnovers than the Knicks committed and it really helped the Knicks offense. Obviously, Jalen Brunson was phenomenal. Carl Anthony Towns was excellent. And listen, I think this is series back on. A lot of people are saying, oh, the Pacers got it. I was mildly surprised to see the Pacers are three and a half point favorites for game six Saturday night. But the biggest change I saw was Jalen Brunson defensively. Jalen Brunson heard all your criticisms, heard all your, oh, Halliburton's better now. Yeah, he's better. No, no, let's just take a deep breath. It was one game. Jalen Brunson was locked in defensively. Here he is after the game talking about the dub.
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Jason McIntyre
I mean, I brax against the wall.
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Rachel Nichols
And so I, I wasn't thinking I need to play better than him. I was just thinking I need to.
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Colin Cowherd
Help my team win.
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Jason McIntyre
And that's my mindset every time on the court. Just helping my team win.
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Colin Cowherd
Folks, I got a mind blowing stat for you. So in Games 1 through 4, the Pacers picked on Jaylen Brunson. Literally, give me him, I want him in the pick and roll. And they attacked him. According to some stats, The Pacers were 68% from the field. 68% when Brunson was the primary defender in Games 1 through 4. So what happened in Game 5? Brunson fighting through screens, locked in, getting down. Pacers shot 3 for 14 with Brunson as the primary defender. That's 21% for you math majors out there. Just a phenomenal performance at both ends from Brunson. Offensively carried him. Carl Anthony Towns obviously was excellent and specifically Brunson went at Halliburton. I don't know if you guys noticed. They started attacking Halliburton in the pick and roll and Halliburton struggled coming off a one of the games that were, they're calling it one of the best performances ever where Halliburton had 30, 15 and 10 with no turnovers. Halliburton had eight points. And you know, we'll go after him later, we'll take some jabs at Halliburton later on. But here he is after the game talking about his lack of intensity and the Pacers kind of getting rolled. We're a resilient group. You know, we, we always want to respond when things don't Go well, you know, after a game like that, we understand what the stakes are and we understand the conversation, what will be around our group. But, you know, we're. We're fine. We're fine. There's no need to panic or anything. We're fine. We'll see. A lot of people already like the Pacers to win game six. I told you, the spread's three and a half. I do want to point out two things. Number one, for the first time this year or last year, the pressure is on Indiana, Okay? Last year, the Knicks got injured in the series despite being up 3 2. Now the Pacers, pressure's on them, folks, and they have not felt this pressure before. They've got to win this game. You don't want to have to go back to the Garden. And for those that are saying, oh, trust me, Jay, Pacers weren't locked in. They didn't care. They were going home for game six. Look at the last round, okay? They had to go back to Cleveland on the road game five, and they smashed the Cavs in a let's end the series. So I don't want to hear this. They didn't lay down or they laid down because they had game six. And the other point is, so nine years ago this weekend, I moved my family across the country for this job here at Fox. It's been fun. We're having a lot. We're having a blast. But something else happened nine years ago this week, and that was golden state lead, trailing OKC 3:1. You remember OKC was up 3:1. They go to Golden State for game five. They lose. It was similar, not quite wire to wire, but Golden State controlled that game. So then they had game six in OKC. All right, do you guys remember this game nine years ago? Klay Thompson special hit 11 threes, 41 points, and the warriors erase the 31 deficit, end up winning in seven. My question to the Knicks, who is Klay Thompson Saturday night in Indiana? Somebody's got to blow up. We know Brunson is going to get his. Is it going to be Bridges? Is it going to be Karl Anthony Towns, OG Anunoby? Are you going to be the guy that shows up? Someone has to erupt. They're going to need a volcanic performance from someone to take down the Pacer Saturday. I like the Knicks in that one. All right, let's shift topics and go to my favorite team in the NBA, the Oklahoma City Thunder. Yes, I know, Jay. You've been banging on them all season. You've been calling SGA the free throw merchant. Can you put some respect on OKC's name? And I will. But first I've got to give a quick shout out to a former NBA player who I thought I saw one of the hottest takes I've seen on okc. And that's courtesy of Jeff Teague, former Indiana Pacers point guard who played in Minnesota and a couple other stops. He has a podcast and he went on raving about SGA and the mid range. And get this, saving the NBA.
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Jason McIntyre
I think SGA saved the NBA.
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Rachel Nichols
Oh, this is what I'm saying.
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Jason McIntyre
I'm not saying because of how he performed, but the way he play. He saved the NBA because the NBA is a copycat league and he perfected the mid range game, right? So he brought back the ability to be able to shoot mid range shots. I got crucified in Minnesota for wanting to shoot a mid range shot if it wasn't a three year old layup for analytics and him being the MVP.
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Rachel Nichols
And his go to shot is a mid range shot.
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Jason McIntyre
He literally just saved the NBA.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, listen, I got to give my guys credit here. A couple producers sent me that yesterday. I was like damn, that's a good take. I think, I don't think it's complete and I'm not going to give Teague all the credit. I think it's a phenomenal take. I don't think he's totally accurate. Let me tell you why. Yes, SGA is killing in the mid range. He's totally dominant. I saw some stats where he's shooting over 50% in the mid range. Now he's not quite saving the league. I saw some stats Michael Jordan attempted like 1200 or mid range shots or whatever it was in the 90s. SGA is only like around 400 so it's not quite what it was with MJ and even Kobe. But the reason they can do the mid range with SGA is because they play phenomenal defense. They're number one in defensive efficiency in the league by a mile. They're calling this one of the best defensive teams in a generation. Well guys, if you can get stops and they can, no denying it. Of course you can trade twos for threes. It's not that big a deal. Now you can't not play defense and then spam threes and expect to win every game because you're going to go cold from three. I did look this up. The two best three point shooting teams this year were Boston and Cleveland. Guess what happened to them in the playoffs. Boston shot 60 threes at a game. They went cold from three against the Knicks. It happens. And we all know what happened to Cleveland. They got outshot from three, I believe in every game against Halliburton and all of a sudden you go cold from three, you don't have a counterpunch. So OKC has one in the mid range game. Now an Amazing stat for okc is their 3 point shooting way down. You're not going to believe this. So 16 teams in the playoffs, OKC is 13th in three point shooting. Ordinarily, that's a death knell. OKC has been outshot from three in 10 of 16 playoff games. Usually that's like, oh, they're getting bounced. But because of the defense and the mid range game, they're able to completely blow teams out. But we don't see this a lot because nobody's playing defense in the league anymore. So you guys know I love the hey zig when everybody's zagging. So right now in the NBA the analytics say spam threes fire away. It's a math equation. And we've seen this before, right? So Billy Bean and Moneyball in baseball, okay, hey, we can't compete with the big spenders. So we've got to find obscure stats that matter and kind of build our lineup that way. And they did that with the Oakland A's and they had a lot of success. Another analogy. So YouTube comes out and all their videos are horizontal because hey, we want to look like TV. So what does TikTok do? Hey, let's do vertical for the phone. So TikTok goes totally different and boom, TikTok goes to the moon. Well, guess who starts copying TikTok YouTube shorts, Instagram Reels. Now all videos are vertical. So will we see like Jeff Teague is saying, everybody copy OKC and go to the mid range. Well, I'm sure the Minnesota Timberwolves, Anthony Edwards, who led the league in threes and only got layups and dunks, is he going to pivot and say I got to work on my mid range. Are all these NBA trainers who are helping everybody work on threes, are they going to say we got to get back to the mid range? I don't necessarily think that's going to happen. I do think there is a world where other teams can copy, but you got to play good defense. Like the Cavs would make a lot of sense to play. They play great defense with Mobley and Allen. But are they going to say Donovan Mitchell, let's get to the mid range? I don't know that that's going to happen. So while I like the take, I don't think this whole saving the NBA is 100% spot on. I do think OKC is going to be favored, obviously heavily against the Pacers or Knicks. But I would wrap up by saying we saw OKC stop Anthony Edwards fairly easily. And you looked at it and you're like, why didn't the Lakers try that? Let's just put up a picket fence right at the foul line. Say, you're not getting to the lane. We're not going to let it happen. And he couldn't do that. And Minnesota couldn't make any threes. So are we going to see the Pacers or Knicks say, hey, sga, we're going to wall off the paint. No more Middies for you, buddy. Let's see what Jalen Williams, J Dub, and Luke Dort. Let's see what those guys can do from three, because, oh, look, the analytics say they're not hitting threes in the playoffs. And I think that's what we're going to see in the finals. And I don't think OKC is going to waltz over the Knicks or Pacers, whoever it may be. But SGA certainly is making people think and the hot takes are flying about saving the NBA. So, Alex, we got a game six Saturday night. I know you're excited. I know I'm fired up. I got to be honest. Like, I was all in on the Knicks after they kind of blew through Boston. And at the start of this series, I was like, okay, maybe that Boston series was their final and they just kind of blew it out. But what impressed me most about last night was listening to Carl Anthony Towns on his post game interview with Shaq and Charles. And they were asking him, you know, like, what's the conversation you guys are having? Like, on the plane privately, not in front of everybody. And he goes, why not us? Like that, one game at a time. Why can't we do it? Why can't we be the team that does it? And you kind of saw that attitude last night. Yeah. Of they played desperate and it worked. They outplayed the Pacers and every part of the game. Yeah, totally. If they can do that and win game six in Indy tomorrow, anything is possible in a game seven. I'm going to call Josh Hardy. Anything is possible in a game seven. But they all have to show up. Like Carl Anthony Towns has to show up. No more dumb fouls chat. Let's dial back on the goofiness. Did you hear him call him out. They called him out on that last night. Yes. Dan Van Gundy during the broadcast was. Was amazing. I think the Knicks got a sh. Not saying I'm betting them yet, but I think they got, like, after last night, like. So you're saying there's a chance? Yeah, I love it. A little dumb and dumber. All right, coming up next, Jalen hurts. Can you believe he's getting crushed? I can't believe it. They're saying he's the biggest weakness on the Eagles. Let me just say I totally disagree. I'll tell you that. Next here on the Herd.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Rocket Mortgage LLC licensed in 50 states. NMLSConsumerAccess.org Number 3030 $178,000 Average equity on internal Rocket mortgage servicing data back here on the Herd. Got Rachel Nichols coming up to talk about the Knicks. Probably we'll get into the free throw merchant as well. Listen, I, I gotta say, if you guys watch the show yesterday, you know, Coward and I went at it, I think it was a 12 round that felt like, you know, Foreman Tyson or Foreman Holyfield. Sorry. Regarding Jalen Hurts. Okay? Now I did before I moved out here to la, I did live outside of Philly, but I don't really have a super connection to the city. It was a suburban life. But I like the Eagles and I pay attention to them. And for some reason, the bashing of Jalen Hurts is just getting under my skin. Okay? I like, you know, I like to defend underdogs. I like to defend guys who I think are really good that maybe the market is not up to speed on. And this Pro Football Focus on website I go to helps a lot with the gambling. They said that the biggest weakness on the defending super bowl champion was, wait for it, the super bowl mvp. They said it was the passing game that was the weakness of the Eagles. So, you know, it's not that hard to look up some stats on the Pro Football Focus website. And you know, let me give you some stats here. This is the Super Bowl MVP last year. Passing, which is the biggest weakness from the pocket. Here's Jalen Hurts, you know, second incompletion percentage, third in yards per passing, yards per game, and then pass a rating fifth. I think that should be yards per attempt. But bottom line is it's not like this is a dink and dunk offense. Jalen Hurts can beat you anyway deep down the field, over the middle, scrambling. Best running quarterback in the league. Sorry, Lamar Jackson. Jalen Hurts it better. He's got the church push, which is automatic. I don't get the bashing of Jalen Hurts. And I think it all comes down to him being drafted in the second round, which, oh man, he's not a first round pick. I think it's stupid and goofy. And then there's the whole saga that happened in Alabama where he gets benched in the national championship, replaced by Tua. Tua goes on. I mean, that's like, that's historic stuff. You never see that. And he had to transfer. But all Jalen Hurts has done is overcome everything. His height, the benching. In Ala at Alabama, remember, he didn't come in as the starter in Philly. He. He had to win that job. He had an awful. And I'm talking, I think they lost their first playoff game with 31 nothing. People wanted to bench him at halftime. I think me included. All he's done is overcome everything. And now he's the super bowl mvp and they're still disrespecting him. Philadelphia catered the offense to Jalen Hurts, and it's working. And now it's like, oh, no, no, the roster's stacked. What do we play that game with? Joe Burrow? Hey, man, Joe Burrow's got the best wide receiver duo in the league. Probably. Higgins and Chase are historically a great wide receiver combo. Got to be top five, six all time. I don't know if it's Rice and Taylor, but it's certainly up there. Okay, we don't play this game with Patrick Mahomes. Well, he has a generational tight end in Travis Kelce and one of the top five coaches, top three coaches in NFL history. We don't do that. Lamar Jackson gets Derrick Henry a first ballot hall of Fame lock, and we make excuses for Lamar. We don't bash it. So anyways, Shady McCoy was on the facility yesterday. Shady, a former Eagles player who I know. Great guy, Shady. I like him. Here's what he said. Defending Jalen Hurts. AJ Told me, well, players tell me that the offense is really the offense.
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Jason McIntyre
I don't care who the corner is.
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Colin Cowherd
You come over here to fit the Jalen Hurts offense. So think about this. We. We know that the top four guys are Mahomes. Josh Allen's A rating MVP, Lamar's got two MVPs, and Joe Burrow went to a Super Bowl. That. That's the consensus top four. I don't see why this isn't a consensus top five. It doesn't make sense. Jalen Hurts has to be fifth. You can make a case for Stafford, but he hasn't been to the super bowl twice. Okay? He hasn't. And that's what Hertz has done in a short time. Spanish people want to push Jaden Daniels in there. I'm like, guys, one year, one season, like, he was historically great. Let's see him do it again. Because we saw C.J. stroud have a great rookie year and then kind of fell off a cliff and took 63 sacks last year. Yes, Hertz has a loaded roster, great offensive line, great running back, two good receivers. But you know who else had it pretty damn good? The second best quarterback in NFL history. Joe Montana. It's funny. If Joe Montana were playing now, would he be in the hurt spot? Well, you know, he's got Bill Walsh and Jerry Rice and Roger Craig. I don't know. He's got a stacked deck. Maybe he's not in that group. Like the NFL discussion is just lazy and silly. Jalen Hurts has proven he can win from the pocket. And I'm sure there's some people at home saying, oh, well, one year winning from the pocket. No, we've done the homework, guys. Let's get on the screen. The last three years, Jalen Hurts from the pocket. Oh, would you look at that. Three years, three different offensive coordinators. 20, 23, they regressed. Offensive coordinator was a nightmare and he threw a bunch of more picks. But that's three successful years for Jalen Hurts. What more does he have to do? Can he do any more to prove that he belongs? And I'm sure what you're saying. Oh, Jason, Stack roster. You know, I happen to look it up, guys. The Ravens had the most Pro Bowlers last year. I mean, what metric do you want to use for stack roster? The Ravens had eight Pro Bowlers, Minnesota Vikings had seven, the Steelers had six, the Lions had six and the Eagles had six. So are they the best roster? What are we saying? Like they had the most first round picks. It's just people are embarrassing themselves bashing Jalen Hurts. And I'll close out with one more stat because I know you guys are going to love this. Well, he's got an awesome roster. They just run away with every game. Actually, not really. Jalen Hurts has the second best winning percentage in games his team has trailed by 10 or more points. He's a comeback king. He the only guy he trails is Patrick Mahomes. One quarterback better at comeback wins than Jalen Hurts. And that's Patrick Mahomes, not Lamar Jackson, not Josh Allen. It's Jalen Hurts. So is it the stacked roster or is it hurts delivering with and without Saquon Barkley? You make the call.
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Jason McIntyre
Be sure to catch live editions of.
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Colin Cowherd
The Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific.
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Jason McIntyre
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
All right, let's bring in Rachel Nichols, NBA insider. She's covered the league forever. I was a young guy picking up the newspaper from the driveway before school and I would read the Rachel Nichols byline with like J A Adande Wil Bon Kornheiser.
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Rachel Nichols
You read me and I when I was a kid in the Washington D.C. area, read Wilbon and Kornheiser and I was like, this is why I want to get into the business. And here we are. Yeah, I feel good for us. How do we do? We did okay, right?
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Colin Cowherd
We did okay. We survived. I don't want to say I made it. You certainly made it. I'm trying still to make it, but I see word is that Nick's blue.
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Rachel Nichols
Well, look, it's all the blues, right? I mean, the thunder.
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Colin Cowherd
No, it's not thunder.
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Rachel Nichols
So many.
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Colin Cowherd
It's not thunder.
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Jason McIntyre
Blue.
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Rachel Nichols
So many blues, so little time.
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Colin Cowherd
So I guess I don't want to be too negative. I just crushed the cheese. Tyrese Halliburton was kind of sort of bad last night. What was going on?
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, passive for sure, right? I mean, look, he is not a 50 points a game guy typically. So it's not like, oh, man, he didn't score 50, but he should not be taking seven shots in 32 minutes. That should never happen. And by the way, he missed five of them. Yeah, I would not expect any of that to happen again. I don't know what was going on with a lot of the Pacer sort of rhythm. The other, you know, they're not paying at the pace they normally play at. One thing I like to listen for on a Knicks broadcast is can the organist get into the, like, defense, right. That. That chant. And if he can get into the whole do defense chant, that means the Pacers are not playing at their correct style and pace of play, because he should be. It should be so fast to the other end that he can't even get into the, like, the whole thing. And so we were getting a lot of organ last night, and if you have a lot of organ that does not favor Tyrese Halliburton and the Pacers, I'm interested to see when they get back to. To their own court. You are not going to have all five starters only totaling, what, 37 points like that, right? I mean, that's not going to happen. The Knicks force 20 turnovers. I don't expect that to happen again. So it'll be interesting to see if the scale is even out, and it really does become a brawl. Who's going to come out of game six.
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Colin Cowherd
So let me ask, what took Thibodeau so long to pick up Halliburton full court. It feels kind of basic tibs. What was going on?
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Rachel Nichols
Well, look, there's a lot there, too. What took him so long to play more of his bench?
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Colin Cowherd
There you go.
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Rachel Nichols
Right. Okay. That's another thing I listen to on the broadcast. I heard Landry Shammit cheers from the Garden faithful. Do you know what has to happen for there to be Landry shame at cheers down 20, Landry shame. It has to play. That's what has to happen. And so we are seeing him go deeper into his rotation. We're seeing him pick up Halberton. As you said, he's getting a little tweaky and tickery there, which is not the Tibbs style. But you know, look, we said the first couple of games of the series it felt like he was being out coached by Rick Carlisle and there's no shame in that. Ric Carlisle is a champion, a Hall of Fame coach. Tom Thibodeau, obviously an exceptional long tenured coach, but it's nice to see him also tinkering and sort of seeing what he can do with this team because it's a fascinating series as we go.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So this is a tough one. But like, you know, I know the players and coaches. We don't listen to the media. Tune it out. I wonder Thibodeau made so many changes. I wonder if he hurt like there's been taught, hey, Michael Malone could be the next coach of the Knicks. Like Tibbs wasn't pushing the right buttons. Do you think that there was some outside noise that changed things or DC Analytics? I don't know.
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Rachel Nichols
I don't know. I don't think, Tom. I don't think Tibbs really pays a lot of attention to what so and so in the New York Post is saying. Like, it's just not how Brunson then.
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Colin Cowherd
Because I do.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, I do think that players hear it a lot more. You're absolutely right. And look, the thing about Tibbs is interesting. When things were looking dicey but like rougher than expected in that Piston the series, there were people around the league being like, man, if they get upset against Detroit and they lose in the first round, Tom could lose his job.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Rachel Nichols
And we are way obviously past that now. He will be. Regardless of the outcome of Saturday night's game, Tom Thibodeau will be fine and he will be the coach of the New York Knicks.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, I want to play some sound here from Pascal Siakam last night. Take a listen and I'm curious your thoughts on it. They played hard on us, I think. I think they play harder than us. You know, lose balls like rebounds, like all that.
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Jason McIntyre
How is that possible?
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Colin Cowherd
What do you mean?
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Rachel Nichols
How is it possible to not fight hard enough in game?
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Colin Cowherd
What are you talking about? They played harder than us. It's okay. We played hard, but they played harder. What's your point?
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Rachel Nichols
I don't get it.
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Jason McIntyre
My point is you're saying you got a guy out fought.
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Colin Cowherd
That happens in the game, though. That's basketball. You're good. You're good, bro. You're looking for something.
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Rachel Nichols
I know I met, but damn. No, no, but I'm.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm telling you, though. I told you what else you want me to tell you.
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Rachel Nichols
I want you to tell me how.
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Jason McIntyre
That's all I'm asking.
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Colin Cowherd
What about you? Tell me.
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Rachel Nichols
So go ahead.
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Colin Cowherd
Who's this guy? Who's this guy? All right, first of all, Rachel, I love that I know the reporter in question, Greg Doyle. I don't want to blast the guy. Whatever. Irrelevant. I do wonder, though, is this the first sign that maybe pressure is getting to the Pacers because Siakam didn't like the line of questioning that, like, we got outplayed and he was pushing back. And I don't know that Pascal Siakam has showed anything like that in a press conference all season. So I wonder if the pressures may be getting to him or is this. Am I reaching here?
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Rachel Nichols
Well, I liked what he said when he said, what do you mean? We did play hard. They just played harder. I like that part because, like, to pretend that these are elite level athletes, to pretend that anyone out there in the Eastern Conference finals isn't trying is such a. I'm not saying that's what Greg said, but, I mean, it's just such a crazy sort of notion. I hear fans say sometimes, of course they were trying. It just was not their night. I do think the pressure is now on them, though, whether it started in the post game press conference or whether it extends to Saturday night. I know that they played a Game 7 in Madison Square Garden last year. I know that. I really remember that. However, that game was not a pressure game because the Knicks were so battered and bruised. They were wheeling OG Anunoby out there practically at like, a walker under the basket, like everybody was hurt. You knew the Pacers were winning that game. This game, this Game six at home, with a Game seven in the Garden looming and teams relatively at full strength. That's the pressure. And I think this is where we will see where the rubber meets the road with these pacers.
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Colin Cowherd
100%. All right, we're going to come back from break with Rachel. I'm going to tell her why I've got the Knicks winning Game six.
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Rachel Nichols
I'm shocked to hear this.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't know if they got a better chance to hear this to win the Finals than the Pacers. We'll be back after this.
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Jason McIntyre
One more herd.
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Colin Cowherd
The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the iHeartRadio app. Search her to listen live or on demand, whenever you'd like. Welcome back. Rachel Nichols in studio talking NBA Knicks triumphant last night. The big game six. So, Rachel, the last time I could remember a big team coming back from down 31 besides the Cavs warriors was that warriors team that won 73 games. They were down 31 to the Thunder. They went on the road in game six and Clay went for 41, hit 11 threes. Do you think the Knicks have somebody on that roster who can deliver a Clay type performance on the road?
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Rachel Nichols
Look, this series is very close. In fact, if you look at the point differential, the Knicks are actually ahead. They've scored more points in this series than Indiana. If game one had gone differently, we would be having a very different conversation. And 10 things had to happen for game one to go the way it did. And I'm not saying the pacers got lucky. Seven of those 10 things were things the Pacers did, but it still required 10 things, right? So that's how close the Knicks are. That's how close this series is. And I don't have any question that it's possible they could win the next two games. I just think it's hard to win three in a row against an evenly matched opponent. They've won the first of those three, but can they win the next two? And I, I to your point, does it take a Klay Thompson Like 40 point performance, someone shoot the lights out. And by the way, the thing we forget about that game in game six, Klay, he still had Steph Curry scoring.
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Colin Cowherd
He did 31.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah, right. It's not as if he, like, he did it all by himself. So it's like, oh, yeah, man, Jalen Brunson can drop 50. He can. But then who else is there? And that's where we get back into the Karl Anthony Townes conversation. A conversation I know you have had plenty, both on the show and with your friends in the group chat. And what I loved about what we saw last night from Kat and which would give me hope if I was a Knicks fan, is that he was in full bodega cat mode. He was scratching and crawling. You know, all the things that you want to see him do, playing so physical, face to the basket, being aggressive, if he is that kind of player, if he can be that consistent, if Jalen Brunson not only lights it up offensively, but also plays decent defense, which he has not been playing for all of this series, but certainly played last night, that's where you start to be like, oh, could they have a game six? Could they Have a game seven, that kind of thing.
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Colin Cowherd
All right, so before we get to okc, everybody's favorite team, the new darling. So, you know, there's this whole big small market narrative around the league, right? And. But I just wonder, like, we've seen changes in the league with the cba. They want small market teams to thrive, right? They've adjusted the cba, so if you draft a superstar, he's incentivized to stay with you. And now we've got the aprons. And I'm reading about the Minnesota Timberwolves, apparently, like, they're not gonna be able to afford everybody. Randall. Yeah, they're gonna lose. Alexander Walker. Like, this is what the league wants. Seven different champs in the seven years parody. But, Rachel, I go back to the 2000 and tens or teens, however you call it. I love the super team era, right? I mean, it was like, stacked teams. I don't care if they're in Cleveland or Miami or Golden State. Like, to me, I love that. I know you've been around the league forever, but, like, who do you. Did you prefer the super league, super teams, or do you prefer now with, like, everybody has a chance.
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Rachel Nichols
It's just important to think back through who's making these decisions, because you think about what the league wants. It's not really Adam Silver in the league office. He has bosses. Adam Silver's bosses are the 30 owners, right? And the 30 owners, they want parity. They want more than three or four teams in it, because guess what? If there's only three or four teams in it, then 25, 26, the teams, they don't have a shot, right? They want seven champions in seven years because that means more of them have a chance to hoist up a championship trophy. So that is who is making these decisions. That's who's making the rules about the aprons and all of this other stuff. And yeah, they want to incentivize players to stay in markets where they can't necessarily grab and attract free agents. But I just think it kind of. It goes in cycles when we have dynasties. It's frankly good for the league in terms of people outside the game, because that's what attracts non basketball fans. After a few years of Steph Curry and the warriors winning, your grandmother knows who Steph Curry is.
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Colin Cowherd
Exactly.
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Rachel Nichols
When there's a different champion every year, your grandmother does not have time to learn who Nikola Jokic or sg. And as I've said on this network, some grandmas know who Nikola Jokic is. And I applaud those Grandmas. But it's not the same. It's not the same. So. So I think that's what you're feeling a little bit. If you are a fan, if you are an in it everyday basketball fan, I think you probably like that there is a little more parody because your team might be able to get there and that.
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Colin Cowherd
So who, who are we catering to? The 25 billionaire owners who own teams and want to profit? Or the casual fans, the grandmas or the die hards who are going to watch regardless whether it's a super team or Denver winning the title or a small market?
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Rachel Nichols
You read the newspaper. We cater to billionaires in this country. That's what we do. Oh, I like that.
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Colin Cowherd
So let me ask along that line, like, do you think OKC is set up for a dynasty? Because I will say, Rachel, we heard this about Denver when they won. Oh, Murray and Jokic in their prime. Yeah. Then we heard this about Boston, amazing roster. Now we're hearing the same about okc. And I'm like, I've heard this before.
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Rachel Nichols
Look, the advantage OKC has and the reason everyone is so excited is because they are a young team with players playing on smaller rookie contracts. Because it will be a couple years until some of their younger players like Jalen Williams, Chet Holmgren need to really get paid, they will have the chance to keep this team together. SGA's Supermax doesn't kick in right away, that kind of thing. Boston was certainly set up even though they were into the second apron. They were set up to be a team because they kept their guys who could win a couple of championships. They just had some bad play, first of all against the Knicks and then also some bad luck with the Tatum injury. If the Oklahoma City Thunder continue as they are and all of the assets that they have, that's the other ingredient.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh, the draft picks.
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Rachel Nichols
Yes, they are set up for a run, but to your point, this is such a competitive Western Conference, it is ridiculous. And now we're talking about rumors that Giannis is going to now join us. Just getting out of the west is going to be so hard for so many teams, including even the Thunder. Even if they win the title this year, even if they look unstoppable, they will still have to go through such a gauntlet next year.
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Colin Cowherd
And I'll add, like I had to look this up, but the second highest paid player on the Thunder is Isaiah Hartenstein.
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
$30 million. Like wow, that is a crazy roster. So let me one more thing on sga. So Jeff Teague I'm sure you're familiar with his work, said that SGA has saved the league with his mid range assassin stuff. I agree with some of that. The mid range is back is is interesting because Brunson's doing the same thing. But saving the NBA. Rachel, does the NBA need saving?
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Rachel Nichols
No. I mean look, everything in our hot take world is sort of so extreme. You know, the NBA is on death's door. OG SBA has come and nursed us back to health. Look, I like Jeff by the way, but yes, I think that there's no question that there's a little bit more mid range game in the NBA. I have been saying for years, yes, three is more than two, but two is more than zero. So if you don't have a good three to take, take the two because two is more than zero. And I think we are getting a little bit of that back. Everything is swings, right? So when analytics became so effective, people were like only do this, only do that. And now we're seeing a little bit of swings back of like a little flexibility within some games in Boston Celtics by the way, which will still take only threes and shoot, you try to shoot you out of the building. So not every team is the same. I think SGA is a good player because he is a good player. It is not because he is taking mid range shots. Yes, he is very good at them and he is taking them and he is using them effectively. But he's doing so many other things on the court effectively too. And that is what is powering this team. He's a great defender. I mean it's not just oh, that one shot that's saving the NBA. And that's what SGA does. He does a lot of things.
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Colin Cowherd
So the Pacers were in the Easter conference finals last year?
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Rachel Nichols
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
The Thunder were the number one seed I think in the west last year. Neither of them got Christmas day games this past season. Will we see either of them on Christmas next year?
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Rachel Nichols
Rachel, I mean, look, certainly the NBA champion has to play in Christmas.
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Colin Cowherd
Are we sure.
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Rachel Nichols
And I would think that the NBA finalist plays on Christmas as well. But look, the league is programming for the grandmas that day, right? They want. Who does your whole entire family, not just you who normally sits on the couch at 9:45 at night addicted to the NBA, but who does your whole family that's there on Christmas want to watch play. And, and I don't care how they finish as long as Steph, Steph and LeBron and those guys and KD are, are still in the league. Uhhuh. They will be playing on Christmas Day because that is who the larger extended family wants.
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Colin Cowherd
So someone smart in our meeting this morning compared this OKC Thunder team. I I'm pushing there. They're boring. I no good sound bites. Hate this mid range. I don't hate them, you know, I just, I'm bored by them.
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Rachel Nichols
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
And then someone said they're the Spurs 2.0. Just like Tim Duncan, Manu Parker. They didn't give crazy sound bites. Their coach actually gave the best stuff and they weren't flashy. There was no in your face dunks, no Anthony Edwards stuff. And I said that's not. Are they spurs 2.0? Is there the potential for that?
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Rachel Nichols
I think they're pretty different. I mean this has that more feel of like that young college team that's a lot of fun without as many individuals sort of huge media standouts the way Anthony Edwards is or something like that. Shay Jones Alexander has a ton of personality. He has got swag for days when you see him walk into the arena. I wish he would wear some of that stuff in the press conferences after the game because he is 100% stylish. He's got the whole look going. He's just not as loud a guy and he plays in Oklahoma City. I think this is a fun team to watch and it's okay to have a finals or have a team in the finals that is for the hoop heads, that is for the authentic basketball fans. Sometimes that's okay. It's not good for the league if that happens all the time. If there isn't a team or a player that the larger public who aren't day to day NBA fans can't relate to that. That's not good for the NBA. They need everybody to watch the finals. But once in a while it is okay to have if you know, you know, star, if you know, you know, team. It makes fans feel good, right? It makes you feel like you can tell your friends, oh, you don't know this about them but and about the Thunder. You should get to like them, Jason, because here's what they are. With the regular season and the playoffs so far this season adding them together, they're 80 and 18. They're 80 and 18. You know what they are against the Eastern Conference, they're 29:1. So it's great to watch this Pacers Knicks series. I hope all series go to seven. So I hope this series goes to seven. Both of these teams are really fun for me. I hope both of Them win if it was possible. It's all great. They're not going to be the safest in the Finals. I'm trying to hold my time a little bit, not say they're going to get crushed, but I, I, it's, I celebrate your wins boys, over the next few days because I'm not sure it's going to continue.
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Colin Cowherd
So if my wife says, hey, we got a Saturday night thing with this other couple we got, we're going to dinner and it's game two of the Finals, do I say, hey, I, I, I, I'm sorry, I can't go. I gotta watch the finals now. If it was LeBron versus Curry, babe, I'm out. I'm watching the game.
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Rachel Nichols
Right?
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Colin Cowherd
But if it's OKC Indiana, I got to be honest, I'll catch the highlights. Like, is that okay to say? Can I say that as an NBA fan?
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Rachel Nichols
Yeah. Rachel, look, look again. You don't make more money personally as a fan. If a high market or high sort of media team is in it, you don't, it does not affect you. So it is okay to feel like, okay, this is a smaller one or this is a bigger one. It's not going to hit your bottom line or your wallet as a fan. Right? So, so it's okay. We just don't have to have so much hand wringing over this. You know, if the rating is a little lower or a little higher, if you're a fan, it does not matter to you at all. Right? So, so just sometimes there's going to be huge big stars and fireworks. Sometimes it's going to be more of a like authentic if, you know, you know, series and players. That variety I actually think is good for the game and maybe, you know, so you they'll adopt. Some people who didn't think, think they would stay home on a Saturday night. But Tyrese Halberton, man, if he's the one who's in there and he hits one of those, if in game one, he hits another. Oh my God, how did he do that? Last second, come from behind shot. You might be canceling those plans on.
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Colin Cowherd
Game two, by the way, Halloween night, everybody I know had a TV on at Halloween parties for the World Series, Game one. Remember that ended. Oh, last one real quick. If I said Kevin Durant winds up in Minnesota, they do some sign and trade, not read, whatever, would that shock you? Anthony Edwards and Durant are friends.
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Rachel Nichols
I mean, no, it would not shock me at all. And thinks the world revolves around kd and so it would not Shock me at all. Certainly there's been a lot of reporting out there that the Wolves were hotly pursuing a Kevin Durant trade as we got to the deadline this past season. So, yeah, it does. It wouldn't surprise me at all. I mean, the irony is Kevin Durant, who is, you know, hall of Famer upon hall of Famers and all of the things, multiple rings, finals mvp is going to have to wait until the Giannis and Kumpo situation settles to see where he is going to go. Because any team that is in the Kevin Durant chase is at least going to kick the tires on a Giannis chase. And I just think for say, Houston, which is a team that we hear a lot as sort of maybe a KD destination, well, there also may be a Giannis destination. So we have to see a design. Want to leave Milwaukee because I'm not sending him away unless he asks for a trade. If he says he wants to leave, where is he going to go? Where are the Bucs going to send him? Again, if I'm the Bucs and I've learned from the Drew Holiday experience, I am not sending him anywhere where he could end up East. And I know they didn't send him to Boston, but nobody thought he was playing in Portland. They were just sending him to Portland as, okay, great, you distribute him. And then he ended up being on the team that beat them. Right. And beat them out for another title. So they are not going to send him east, they're going to send him west. Which means Kevin Durant has to wait and see what happens if Giannis s out, if the Bucks trade him, if he goes somewhere that KD was also looking to go, then what happens to Kevin Durant?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, so he's kind of waiting. So Giannis could go Houston, San Antonio. Is there a world where he stays East? Obviously, Knicks would be difficult, but what about Miami? I keep hearing that's a team to watch, certainly Miami blow it all up.
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Rachel Nichols
Miami covet him. They would give all of the things on the cupboard for Giannis. Antokounmpo. It's just. Is there enough in the cupboard? Yeah, right. Compared to some of what those other teams. And again, if you're the Bucs, I would think very hard about dealing him to a team in the Eastern Conference. If I'm Yanis, by the way, I would think very hard about leaving the Eastern Conference. And when he has this decision to make of do I stay in Milwaukee or not, I think there's a lot of sort of basketball people who look at the the cap sheet and look and they say ah, he can't win the next few years, but what's the point? He should go somewhere else. I get it. I understand and I agree. He cannot win in Milwaukee the next few years. They do not have the resources or assets. But there is more than winning. I know that is a dirty thing to say in sports. There is. And by the way, you're not guaranteed to win anywhere else you go, right? The Boston Celtics were set up to win and they're not even in the last two rounds of the playoffs. So you have to think about everything. Do you have a chance to win? Yes. But you also have to think about where do you play, what's your day to day life, what city are you in and what's the love and relationship with that city and are you going to have more fun playing basketball and winning more basketball games? If you are a winning is everything guy in the Eastern Conference playing for, they can't win at all. Milwaukee Bucks then you are battling it out in the west where every night is going to be a war and you can have a winning record and still end up like battling for the plain.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no great stuff. Rachel Nichols knows everything about the league. Sorry to keep you so long Rachel Nicholas, it was phenomenal.
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