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Colin Cowherd
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Danielle Fishel
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Greg Cosell
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Danielle Fishel
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Greg Cosell
It is Thursday and a great day. We are live and it is the herd. Wherever here in August you are listening or watching. There's a lot of choices. Thanks for making us part of your day. Hey, we get Greg Cosell. We might as well start him now. Greg Cosell stops by in one hour from today. We put them on for about 2022 straight weeks during the football season, early, middle and late. And Greg Cosell will join us in one hour. It's one of my favorite 15 minute segments every football season. We do it on Thursdays. J. Mac, you used to be in a business, kind of a blogosphere, and Most of the 99% of those things did not do well. And I remember when I spotted your site, I had told friends I that I like the McIntyre site because you can tell. He's like. He can break stories. He's, like, serious. He's not doing silly stuff. Like, there's, like, serious stories here. It's sourced. And I want to start my show talking about that because it was one of the things I noticed before we had even met. A blogosphere can be just nonsense and whimsical, and yours wasn't. You were breaking stories. And that's kind of a theme today for quarterback. So I saw this headline from Archie Manning, and he says, arch will not turn pro next season. He'll be at Texas for the next two years. Yeah, that's what you have to say. If he beats Ohio State and Columbus wins the Heisman or doesn't and gets into the national championship game, it would be really bad business to stay in college. And I know almost every Manning pretty well. They're good at business, and they say the right thing when they have to. College sports for truly gifted athletes, like. Like a Cooper Flag. It's like that first really cool apartment you live in when you make a little money and you're like, I'm never leaving this place. And then eventually you get a real job with a VP in the title, and you don't want to share walls or the pool, and you. You forget about it really quickly. Arch Manning made 6.5 million last year at Texas Nil. Reportedly, cam Ward made 48.7, guaranteed number one pick. Arch, can I. Can I interest you in a $42 million loan hook? What? Yeah. This is the classic Mannings saying the right thing. And a lot of times in society, I mean, I think the term is true, but I get tired of it. Woke. Well, you're just not being honest. You know, when you're really important sometimes. JD Vance should not talk about ever being a president. Keep it to yourself. LeBron Mannings. Mahomes Brady. I've seen Mahomes step to the microphone and just say the right thing. Not necessarily the most honest, authentic thing. That's what happens. And the Manning family is American football royalty. So this is exactly what you say. We Cooper Flag said it. Oh, Duke. And then he talked to Nike, and then you're the number one pick. And here's 56 large. I love Duke so much. I'll go visit when they play Carolina if I have time. Arch Manning, if he's as good as I think he is, he's got to go pro. I know Cooper, I know Eli, I know Peyton, I know Archie, and I don't know Arch. But Sark talking about Arch sounds a lot like Cooper and Eli and Peyton Manning. His work ethic is incredible. Whether it's, you know, studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook, working at his craft, you know, in the weight room like that though, that, that is whether it's innate in him or it was, you know, handed down from his uncles. Whatever, whatever it was, his work ethic is really pretty incredible. And, and that lends itself to the.
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Colin Cowherd
Teammate that he is too.
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Greg Cosell
And that's an interesting way to describe him. Jumping into my next segment now, I will tell you, 90% of you will disagree with this take. And I've been doing this for 25 years. I believe in it strongly and always have. So did you notice when Sark talked about Arch and oh, by the way, Eli Manning could be, you know, funny on Saturday Night Live, but if you described Peyton Manning, you would say intense. Bill Polian once said he was a teeth clencher. If you're describing Tiger woods, you'd be like obsessed, intimidating. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Brady. It's not a coincidence that the greatest athletes of my life are borderline crazy, obsessed, serious people. And I am hoping when Shedeur Sanders plays tomorrow night, I can't wait to watch. I'm rooting for him. I mean, I don't like the speeding tickets, but they lead me to my topic today. It is totally unfair that at 23 years old as an NFL quarterback, you are held to a totally different standard. Not only from every 23 year old, you know, but from every 23 year old professional athlete. You have to be 23 going on 43, not even 33, because some of you are still doing shooters at, you know, Captain Fandango's on a Friday night, right? Like, I know where you're at. You're doing stuff that's really not inappropriate. You hope your boss doesn't walk in, right? At 33, at 43, hopefully. You have kids, you're a grown up, you're a vice president, you're not doing it quarterback in the NFL. It's almost unfair. Jalen Hurts is 27, he acts 47. I've never seen a quarterback that good at the podium ever. He is the best quarterback I've ever seen at the podium. He surpasses the second best. I'VE ever seen. Dak Prescott. No jokes. They're like, accountants should bring a briefcase. And this is something that's always bothered me about Shadour and Miles Garrett was asked to describe his personality. Here it is. I mean, he's, he's funny, he's optimistic, light hearted. He was funny. Jameis Winston was funny. Drew Locke was lighthearted. Cam Newton is the best college football player I have ever seen. He was the size of a defensive end, but he was playful. Drew Locke, remember that piece of video? That's all I needed to see. I know all your frat bros, they loved it. I, I get it. The Siget bros absolutely love that. I get it. It's not what I want. Dak Prescott, his rookie year. It may have been preseason or it was early in the season, did something and you guys made fun of it, but there was a piece of garbage on the field behind the Cowboy bench. He's in the middle of a game and he walked by it and turned around, grabbed it and put it in the garbage. And I'm like, oh, that's a grown up. He understands. It's like when you go to a funeral, don't smile and don't laugh. You have to be on Dak Prescott understands. I'm the Cowboy quarterback. I am always on. Years ago in the Patriots building, they did a little test. This is true story. They would randomly put stuff on the floor to see if people picked it up when they interviewed them. To this day, when I walk down the halls of Fox, just in case my bosses are watching, I always stop and pick up a piece of garbage. It matters and it's unfair. I don't want my quarterbacks to be, as Miles Garrett said, fun, light hearted. I'm not interested in lighthearted at all. Jameis Winston, the best thing he's ever done, work for Fox. It was funny. He also threw 30 picks a year. It's not fair. But the Harbaughs, Nick Saban, Sean Payton are almost offensively intense. I mean, there are times Nick Saban's so intense, it's intimidating. And yet nick Saban is 5 foot 6. Did you know that he plays really big? Sean Payton, I'm much taller than he is. He feels bigger than I do. I don't want my quarterbacks to be fun, light hearted and in the draft room, put legendary. It was also fun in that car, doing 104 in a 45. I'm sorry, but it matters. I like the traits of Shador Sanders. I like his size. I think he's more mobile than people say. I think he throws a beautiful football off platformer on it. I think he's a much better pro prospect than Dylan Gabriel. Obviously many of you disagree, but one of the things that's always bothered me, he's kind of silly. I don't want silly. I'm not interested in silly. There's so many things, pedigree, size, accuracy, I like about him. But it's just one of those things. It, it is just. There was a mall. Give you another example. I don't love Brock Purdy, but there was a moment with Brock Purdy. He was at a concert about a year ago with George Kittle. George Kittle is shotgun and beers and oh, by the way, Brock Purdy. Just like a funeral. Don't laugh, you're always on. Brock Purdy carried the beers in. He wouldn't bite. He wouldn't bite. He didn't want that meme nothing. Let the crazy tight end do it. I'm not biting. He's going, yeah, George, you keep doing it. He wouldn't do it. He didn't want that anywhere. Because if you do that and people see it and you go on a four game losing streak, the GM sees it. And by the way, I will get three to four text today from GMs and they'll be like, you're absolutely right. And every time I do that stuff, I get texts is that most 23 year olds are listening saying, that's ridiculous. It is in 98% of the work environments in the country. But one of the things that impressed me about Dak and Jalen hurts. It's not how they throw from the pocket. I've said this about Tua. Tua's a grown up. Tyree Kill isn't hurts is unbelievable when people say Lamar Jackson, he gets tight in the playoffs. You damn right he does. Because he cares so much. Lamar Jackson gets furious at Lamar Jackson. It's one of my favorite traits. And I do think he gets tight in the playoffs and I do think Peyton Manning did for years. If the biggest fault is dude is really intense, sign me up for that. Sign me up for Lamar Jackson and early Peyton Manning. But there's that Drew Locke video. Keeping it real, man. I got the vibes and y' all loved it and I couldn't stand it and it was only 10 seconds and I'm like, dude, do that at home. You're on. You're smiling at a funeral. You're trying to be the face of a franchise. I don't like it. I wouldn't like my GM doing it. I wouldn't like my head coach doing it. Remember that Shador Flacco thing? There was a little piece of video with Shador and Flacco here in camp. And it's not the end of the world. Nobody's saying it is. As I always say, everything's something, nothing's everything. But remember that little piece of video? Do we have the sound up on that? When Flacco and Shedeur and Chadur's asking him about dancing, do we have that? You ever hit that bench? What's that? Definitely not. I don't know if I've ever heard a public dance move in my life. Joe. Joe Flacco's been to a Super bowl and won a Super bowl. And if I recall, he was the MVP of the Super Bowl. It matters, at least to me. All right. The hate mail will be flying in and keep it coming because is a thing. It really is a thing. And I.
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Colin Cowherd
And it.
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Greg Cosell
It just is one of those things. I think about it all the time and there are different times in life. By the way, I always. I've joked about this for years whenever I'm hiring a young person, like 20 or 30, I don't want somebody that loves golf. Now, by the time you get gray hair and you're old, I don't care. Old guys, I'm really into golf. The last three years, the grayer my hair gets. But I'm out of that space now. But when you're 20 and 30 and you're not making much and I need you to work 55 to 60 hours a week, I'm not working that much anymore. I got a bigger staff. But when I used to be in this business looking for young people, I didn't mind what your hobbies were. I didn't want golfers. I didn't want golfer because golf has an addictive quality. I'm going through that now over the last three years. Once the number six, that's different than two, three on the name, on the number. And so I will say this. The Brock Purdy thing really struck me. I was like, you can say what you. And I've never been a huge Brock Purdy guy. But one of the things Sam Darnold said about him, like, one of the reasons that Kyle Shanahan was so impressed with him is his maturity. They were like, he's just not your typical 24 year old. And maybe that's unfair, but it's really impressive. Part of what NFL teams do, they have these conversations. Can we hand the keys of our franchise to this young guy. That is a conversation networks have that I've worked at. Can we give this person their own show? It's his show. It's his staff. We can't babysit him. We're not there every day. Can you give the keys to the franchise? And you watch Brock Purdy and like he knew. Come on, George, couple more. He wouldn't bite. He would not bite. J. Mac, when you get your show someday, that marquee, you're gonna have to settle down because you are a wild child on the beaches of Manhatt beach, from what I hear. So basically this week you are against backwards visors and you are against shotgunning beers on stage at a concert. Okay, so you're basically Captain Unfun. You know, you've heard of the fun uncle, the funkle. You're like the opposite of that. You are unfun, Colin. Oh, my gosh. Golf? Really? No. So what about basketball? You're good with me in the men's leagues. We got a big playoff game. Get your cardio in. Get your cardio in, everybody. I understand that. I always had a thing with golf. When your hair gets gray, go for it. Before that. I don't want to hear your golf addicted playing on seven courses. That's just me. Everybody's got a different vibe. Greg Cosell is coming up in 45 minutes. You know, I love Greg Cosell. A very serious man, by the way. Very serious. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod, pushing the same tired narratives down your throat every day. Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at the sportsbook and all the best guests. Do yourself a favor and listen to Straight fire with Jason McIntyre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Danielle Fishel
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Greg Cosell
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Jason McIntyre
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Greg Cosell
Welcome back. You are now entering the no Bull Zone sponsored by Credible. Great race. None of the Bull. So I was talking about this at the very end of the show yesterday about Brian Schottenheimer. I don't think the Dallas Cowboys is the easiest job. I do not think it's the toughest job. So there were seven new coaches and and by and large, you take over a team that's either rudderless, it just, it's not worth. Very rarely do you get a Matt LaFleur, where you get Aaron Rodgers in his prime. That's the best job opening in probably 20 years. Is that the Green Bay packers with Aaron Rodgers in his prime. Aaron and Mike McCarthy had a falling out, but that, that's a great job. Stability everywhere, no chaos. Aaron was great, roster was good. But there were seven job openings this year. One of them, New England, is the easiest lift. You're not replacing Belichick. You have one of the smarter, more powerful owners. You have great game day revenue. They got plenty of money. You know, again, Drake May, I think is going to work and even work last year without any help. And you got the Dolphins and the jets, both kind of dysfunctional in your division. That's the easiest job. Now I do think there are some that are like, I think the Raiders is a big lift. I got Harbaugh, Herbert, Bo Nix, Payton, Andy Reid, Mahomes and the great Kansas City Chiefs in division. You could get it right in that division for several years and finish fourth. I think the Raiders is a tough lift. I think the Bears historically, very weak ownership, old, weak ownership, too many kids involved, lot of pressure, loud market, tough media. Quarterback Ben Johnson, you don't know if Caleb can play. I mean, we don't know yet. I think he's talented, but we don't know. I also think the jets ownership, man, gm, who knows, it's another guy. It's a turnstile. I think the jets is a hard lift. The culture there is just not great. A lot of impulsive moves and there's a lot of too many, too many cooks in the kitchen. But the Dallas Cowboys, Brian Schottenheimer, it's not an easy lift. You have a meddling owner and Micah's got a holdout. And, and, and, and the Micah holdout thing, it's substantial. He's arguably, I don't think he's as gifted as CD Lamb, but he's really, really good. And here is Brian Schottenheimer shoddy, talking about the Micah Parsons issue. We're still planning on moving Mike around and putting him in all the spots that we see him and using our fronts the way we want to see it. And no, we just, you know, we go about our business every day. We live in the moment, we focus in the moment. And again, like I said, I talked to you guys the other day. Not going to get a lot into it, but, you know, I expect Micah to be here. But I think one of the reasons this is an easier job than some of the other jobs is Dak Prescott. Dak is the Honda Civic of this league. You never have to worry about getting to work. It will not break down right. Like his floor is very high. I think you'd be surprised how many games Dak has won when he's healthy. I think it's second. If I, I may, I may be wrong. Since he got drafted. I think it's second to the Eagles in the nfc. He has an incredibly high floor. You don't have to worry about silliness. He's an excellent leader. High iq, eq. This is really the value of Dak Prescott. This has always been the value to me. I don't think he's great from the pocket. But Dallas is a loud market with an aggressive media. Talk radio remains very big in Dallas. Newspaper columnists have influence of the Dallas Morning News. It's still one of the only markets where sports guys get more than 45 seconds. It matters. It's a loud, aggressive sports market and Dak fundamentally is a complete grownup. And so that's the one thing Jerry's going to medal. Jerry lost his fastball. Micah, Trayvon, Diggs are upset. George Pickens, watch out. But this has always been Dax Value. Can you imagine if you had a less serious quarterback than Dak Scott? What a mess this would be. I've always said this Dax talent I think is very middle of the pack. The iq, EQ stuff, top three or four in the league. Until Jalen Hurts arrived, I thought he was the best guy I'd ever seen at the podium. One more herd the herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.
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Greg Cosell
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Greg Cosell
Here we go. It's a Thursday. It is our number two. Appreciate you stopping by going to the live tour Saturday. I may be out there and grab my clubs, get some bombs out there. Jma. I'm excited to watch. Isn't it cool to do sports against like real professional athletes? It's exciting. Bryson DeChambeau will be out there. I'm I'm fired up for it. So it's this is a fun time of the year. Tomorrow night Shador Sanders is going to play I I I the two 90 mile speeding tickets and the pre draft interviews and the legendary, you know, draft room. I don't love that stuff. I don't. I Don't think he's a terror. Terribly serious young man. And I think the position demands that. We'll find out tomorrow though, is, could he be a great backup or is he good enough for Cleveland at the end of the year or the trade deadline to move him for a draft pick? I think, I think Cleveland, who has two first round picks, wants to this year get as many picks as they can. If they can move Kenny Pickett here in the preseason, if they can move Shador Sanders into the season, if you get six round picks, you're just looking for nine, 10, 11, 12 picks. So if you give up six to move up a couple slots, that's what you, that's, that's the game. It's an inexact science. And speaking of inexact, the Chicago Bears new coach, Caleb Williams. Let's bring in Greg Cosell for the first time in our football season. 46 years, NFL. So you spend your off season watching like, you know, every snap of these quarterbacks, the red zone snap, that's what you do. So, yeah, one of the things that always worries me about a quarterback is if they have a college problem, footwork, hero ball.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Greg Cosell
And it becomes a problem very early in the NFL. So they're either uncoachable or they don't have a coach that knows what, how to fix it. So my concern on Caleb is little hero ball holds it too long. Those were knocks at usc. So when you looked at all in hindsight, the snaps, what do you see that absolutely has to be worked on going into year two?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, there's a lot to unpack with Caleb Williams. I think that if you just watch his tape from a year ago, some concerns are just his ability to sort of have a feel in the pocket. He had a, a tendency to step up when there was no need to step up. So what that would do is it would bring him closer to the offensive line and the pass rushers. And so he created his own pressure at times. And obviously he's just not a guy that saw it as cleanly as you'd like. So he held the ball too long. But think about this, Colin. You watch a ton of college football as well, and this is not a test question, but let's throw this out. What do quarterbacks in college never do? Most of them, they do not huddle. So now you're with Ben Johnson. Okay. He's essentially a rookie. Now, Caleb Williams, you almost have to forget about what happened last year because now what he's learning is he's learning very Wordy play calls that have a lot of alerts. Sometimes there's two play calls that are built into a particular verbiage, and then there's shifts, there's motions. There's all kinds of things that he has to learn just to get things from the huddle to the line of scrimmage with a reasonable amount of time on the play clock, so that when the shifts and the motions happen, he has time to see how the defense responds. This is the operational part of playing quarterback that he's never really done before, not to the level that Ben Johnson demands. So we have to start from there before we even put him on the field playing in a real game. So there's an awful lot to learn for Caleb Williams. So this is almost a rookie season all over again. As a pure talent throwing the football, he's phenomenal. But before you get to that, there's so much more that he has to learn, and I hope people understand that that's going to take time.
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Greg Cosell
So Kevin O', Connell, J.J. mcCarthy. Kevin runs advanced schemes. This is like McVay Stafford. Matt Stafford is a sharp guy, and that's one of the reasons that McVay was so attracted to him in Detroit. He. You, you. I mean, I've seen the study habits of Stafford. They're kind of legendary. So do you think the advanced schemes, because I like Minnesota's offensive personnel, do you think the advanced schemes help or hurt JJ McCarthy, help or hurt him?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think they're. They're advanced, but in, in other ways. They're theoretically simpler in the sense that what Kevin o' Connell is really good at, just like Kyle Shanahan is really good at, is they're really good at getting the primary read open and available for the quarterback, because they're really good at understanding defenses, which is critical. As a play caller, you're not calling plays in a vacuum. You're calling plays based on your sense of defensive tendency and probability. And one thing Kevin o' Connell is really good at, we saw that with Sam Darnold last year, which is why Sam had such a good season. One of the reasons anyway, is he's so good at getting that primary read open. And that will be critical for J.J. mcCarthy this year, because my guess is J.J. mcCarthy, in these early stages of his development is not going to be great yet at working through progressions, certainly not full field progressions. So I think that's a critical piece of how J.J. mcCarthy can do this year. And all that gets tied in with your footwork and the timing of routes. There's so much that goes into that that will be a work in progress as well.
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Greg Cosell
So I watched Bo Nix twice live in college. He's cut, he's fat, he's fast.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Greg Cosell
When you watched all his tape, I. My take is we don't watch Denver as much as we watch those NFC east teams and people just don't realize how good of an athlete he is. When you look at Bo Nick's rookie tape, what. What are people missing about him because his numbers were better than Jaden in many instances.
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Colin Cowherd
I think what people miss, and I would say I probably missed it to some degree as well when I did his college tape, even though I liked him, is I think his arm is better than people gave it credit for. And when I say arm strength, I'm not talking about the ability to throw the ball 60 or 70 yards. I'm talking about the ability to stick throws in the middle of the field, dig balls, you know, 18 to 22 yards in breaking routes between and over defenders. He. He threw the ball really, really well. Those are really arm strength throws, those kinds of throws. And I think that he throws the ball a lot better than people give him credit for. Now. I think there's clearly some things that he has to work on. I'm sure Sean Payton would tell you that he's only going into his second year, but I think just in terms of sheer physical traits as a passer, he's a lot better than he's been given credit for. And you've probably been around him. He's a pretty big kid, Colin. He's not a small guy. And he's a very good athlete.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, very, very good athlete. I noticed that when I went to the Utah, Oregon game and I sat behind the bench and he is ripped. I mean, he is. He's not trying to show off. He is just cut very little body fat. So Drake May came in. I think we both like Drake May. We said the comp was Justin Herbert and times I've watched him and he does look a little like Herbert. He, I mean the size, the number, the way he moves, is there anything you saw? Now he's got a better coach. They spent 300 million bucks around him online play. What was your overall appraisal of him in the rearview mirror? Now watching year one and his growth.
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Colin Cowherd
Very impressed given as you know, Colin, a bad situation, maybe one of the worst 5, 0 lines in the NFL. A receiving core that, I mean, I would bet a lot of people couldn't even name their receivers. So Given the situation he was in, I thought he handled himself really well. You'd expect him to be up and down in that situation and he was. But I think overall you're dealing with a kid that's big, he's physical, he throws the ball really well, he can move. I mean, I don't think there's anything and again, we're not there so we don't know the mental capacity of how he assimilates all the information that he needs to assimilate. Obviously it's Josh McDaniels now as the OC, we'll see how that goes. But you're dealing with a guy that has pretty higher level traits and but it might take some time. He's learning a brand new offense. I'm not sure people realize how difficult that is. You've been around, you've seen play calls, you've seen how all that works. That's hard. It's hard to assimilate a brand new offense. He just went through a rookie year where he had to work his tail off mentally and now all of a sudden he's starting from scratch with a whole new offense, probably brand new terminology. So that takes time. But when you talk about the physical and athletic traits, he's got them.
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Greg Cosell
You know, this off season, you know, I know it's a slow off season for all of us in the talk show business, but there was a little bit of a week long theory. Jalen Hurts. When GMs and coaches pulled privately their thoughts on the top 10 quarterbacks, Jalen Hurts was like nine. And I and my take has always been I trust Greg Cosell and I and I've said this, he reminds me of a more talented Dak Prescott. I like his eq, I like his I, I like his toughness, I like his leadership. I don't love him from the pocket. I never loved Dak from the pocket. I just thought he was a smart, tough, gritty leader. When you hear that Jalen Hurts, the GMs, the scouts, the coaches are like he's ninth best. What is your takeaway on Hertz, the quarterback?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think every quarterback for the most part and becomes a function in many ways of their team. And Hertz is very much that kind of player. When you think about the Eagles and how they won a year ago, the super bowl, my guess is most people, the first thing they say is not boy, that's Jalen hurts team. I mean this was a team with a running back that had historical season. They've got the best O line in Football. They had the best defense in football. Jalen Hurts is a piece of a really good team and they do a lot of things that are difficult to defend. And let me give you a few examples and I've spoken to coaches this offseason about it. They are a four down offense literally once they get to, let's say the minus 45 yard line or the 50 yard line. So now what happens is defenses, when it's third and eight have to play them totally differently because you know what, they're going to run the ball on third and eight. Most teams will never consider running the ball on third and eight. So now you have to think, how do I play defensively? Because they're going to run the ball because if they get to fourth and two, they are going to go for it. And Jalen Hurts is a critical, critical piece of their third down and fourth down offense. And one of the things he does exceptionally well, and I heard this a lot this offseason, Everybody talked about A.J. brown and how critical it is that he can win one on one on the outside because Jalen Hurts. The best thing about his throwing, Colin, is he works outside the numbers. He can throw the fade ball, he can throw the goalball. And A.J. brown gets a ton of one on one because of the nature of their run game, which of course Jalen Hurts is a significant part of. So he's a critical piece in what he brings. But if you're comparing him to, let's say, the quarterbacks that we think of as being the elite guys that can in a sense be the guys that win games by themselves, he probably does not fall into that category.
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Greg Cosell
So I said my prediction is when quarterbacks get old and rich, they do not want to get hit. And Aaron Rodgers last year, Eli, at the end of his career, he didn't want to get hit. Brady was practicing how to get sacked. When I watched Aaron at the end of last year, it was a lot of underneath stuff. He didn't want to take hits and I blame him. The jets own well. Pittsburgh can't solve their offensive line. We're on six years in a row now, Greg. And the early reports from camp are he's not throwing the ball down the field. And my take is outside of Matt Stafford, very few old, wealthy quarterbacks are willing to take a helmet to the chinstrap. He's one of one. I think the problem with Aaron and Pittsburgh is he like the jets, he will not trust that O line. What do you think of that?
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Colin Cowherd
I wish I had time to tell you a great Jim Kelly story, but that'll be for another time. But anyway, you know, I think the key thing here is the tackle position for the Steelers because Broderick Jones going into his third season has not really shown that he's a quality NFL offensive tackle, and that's a concern. Look, the litmus test for offensive tackles in the NFL is can they pass protect 101 on third down. And right now the Steelers have a question about that. And if that remains a question in the regular season, your point about Rodgers is 100% right. He's not going to want to get hit. He's going to want to get rid of the football. He won't be immobile, but he certainly doesn't have the mobility that he had four, five, six, seven years ago. So it'll be very interesting. And then Arthur Smith, obviously they'd like to run the ball as the foundation of their offense. That's going to be the absolute critical piece. You know, Rodgers still throws the ball as well as anybody, but I'm not sure at this point in his career behind that old line, you want to ask him to drop back 40 times a game?
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Greg Cosell
No, you do not. So the Lions lose Ben Jones, they lose two great coordinators. And I said, I've said multiple times, the Eagles go to a Super bowl, lose their coordinators, hire the wrong guys, and then at one point lost six to seven games. We pay attention to quarterbacks and head coaches, but a lot of coaches that are not great scheme coaches need, they're very reliant on a scheme. Like, for instance, Dan Campbell's not known. Dan Campbell, Nick Ceriani are not great scheme guys. They're culture guys. And so losing Ben Johnson to me is a big deal. It wouldn't be a big deal for Shanahan or Andy Reid, but I think Dan Campbell is more of a culture guy that is reliant on a great oc. When you looked at Ben Johnson last year, did we even undervalue him, how important he was? I mean, I always felt like everybody was backpedaling against them because they had so much effectiveness with trick plays, a dominant O line. I don't think Detroit's going to be as good this year. I don't think they're going to be as clever and creative.
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Colin Cowherd
It'll be interesting because here's the question that we don't know the answer to because now Jared Goff was in that system with Ben Johnson for what, three, four years? I'm not sure we give Jared Goff Enough credit. We just spoke about how Caleb Williams has so much to learn. Goff really mastered that offense. So the question is, how much input will he have? Johnny Morton, I believe, is the new oc, and he was there. So obviously they can keep a lot of the same principles and concepts. But now you get into game play calling, which we won't know the answer to that at all. But schematically, what Ben Johnson does to me is so good. The spacing he has versus zone coverage, it's beautiful. Really defines it exceedingly well. But, you know, you're dealing with a quarterback in Goff, and as I said, I'm not sure we give him enough credit because he doesn't in many ways fit the mold of how we see quarterbacks now in the NFL because he's not a runaround guy. But, you know, Goff really handled everything in that offense. There are so many elements to that, as we discussed with Caleb Williams. So we'll see how Detroit is. But I think Goff plays a big role in this.
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Greg Cosell
You know, it's funny you mention that, because I read it this week and I forget where I read it, but somebody said on the online I thought it was smart. They said Ben Johnson may be great and Caleb's greatly talented. What if they're stylistically a bad match? Like Kyle Shanahan does not want quarterbacks running out of his place. He does not.
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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Greg Cosell
I do wonder if Ben and Caleb, it's not his guy. He didn't draft him. If stylistically, it may not be a perfect fit. Greg.
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Colin Cowherd
No, but no coach wants the quarterback.
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Greg Cosell
To run out of their place.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm telling you that as a fact. Colin. You know, obviously, there's. Obviously, there's certain guys that can do that really well. And then the coaching staff goes, hey, great play because they make great plays, but no coach. You know, look, I've been at training camps. I'm sure you have These coaches work 15 hours a day. No offensive coordinator is calling a game or any play to have the quarterback not execute it the way it's supposed to be executed. Obviously, they understand there are times that can't happen, but they don't want it not to happen because the quarterback screws it up. They want it not to happen because the defense happens to win the down. So there's no coach that wants the quarterback to just randomly break down and disrupt the play. So it's not that Caleb Johnson's a bad fit. Caleb Johnson needs to. Excuse me, Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams. Williams needs to learn all this and Then as a parachute, as the last thing, then the ability to make those special plays comes into play. But that can't be the first thing.
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Greg Cosell
And finally I tried to be very positive with Schneuer Sanders. I did not like what I heard about his interviews pre draft. I did not like the kind of lack of self awareness legendary in his draft room. But I was like listen, he's accurate, he must moves pretty well, good pedigree. And then he got two speed speeding tickets and I'm like okay, you're not serious. You're not a serious. I need a grown up for this position. And so I don't have high hopes. And I said this for years, I think quarterback, it's almost unfair but we need you to be have the maturity of your dad at 23. That's why the Mannings all work. They're all like, you know, they're very mature people. So I don't have particularly high hopes because I've seen a lack of self awareness and judgment for Shedeur. Is there anything on tape you love or don't love as he plays tomorrow in the exhibition game?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I think what his tape showed and look he was a fifth round pick and he's a fifth round pick for a reason now. Can fifth round quarterbacks make it? Of course they can. So I'm not going to sit here and say whether he will or won't but I think what you saw on tape was a quarterback that's a little smaller than you'd ideally like, that throws the ball well but not incredibly well. I think he's accurate but not quite as super accurate as a lot of people make out. And that's based on film study. That's not an opinion and I've had that conversation by the way with coaches and he's essentially a pocket quarterback. He's not a statue. But if he were to be a really good NFL quarterback, Colin, it would have to be because he's a pocket quarterback. He's not a playmaker. He doesn't give you a playmaking dimension. He's not Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen. He's not going to be that guy. So that's what he is. Those kinds of quarterbacks in the NFL tend to be complementary pieces. They can be really, really good. I mean you could argue Jared Goff is that kind of quarterback. He's far more talented than Chadur Sanders but I mean essentially he's a pocket quarterback. So he needs a really good coaching staff, he needs team, he needs a lot of things around him to be successful. Maybe he will be.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah. The two best pocket guys are Stafford and Goff and they are great throwers of the football. They are elite guys.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah. I mean, I think Goff has probably the most underrated arm in the league. Not the best, but the most underrated arm in the league. Jared Goff.
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Colin Cowherd
And you know that Stafford. Let me tell you something. Stafford is so highly respected in the league. Everywhere I go, all people want to talk to me about is Matthew Stafford and how great he is. And I'm not sure what fans in general think about him that way, but he's so highly respected.
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Greg Cosell
Greg Cosell, great seeing you. His first appearance of many and have. Have yourself a great Friday and a great weekend.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Thanks, Colin. Really appreciate it.
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Greg Cosell
Yeah, no, it's so. Yeah. And again, I just, it's amazing to me that people would downplay two speeding tickets for a fifth round quarterback in a week. I just, it's. I, I had a situation. All these coaches and GMs, they, they watch all these shows and they list, they're just, they're information junkies. I can remember just a small thing. I remember as an aside during the combine when Will Levis showed up in the sleeveless shirt with a gun show and I was like, oh, so bad. He's trying, he want, he want, you know, he's tr. I had an NF NFC coach call me after the show, leave a message. I called him back and put me on speakerphone with somebody and they were laughing. They were like, oh God. We just, we, we just thought it was the most ridiculous thing. And then I had an AFC executive, I had a text with him two or three times and he's like, what you, what matters to you? You're sending signals at the Senior bowl, you're sending signals at the combine. Sometimes in games you're emotional. You do things that you know, you know, it's in the heat of the battle. But when you're in a combine or a Senior bowl or a practice, you're sending signals. And these GMs, they're watching all of it. You get two speeding tickets as a fifth round quarterback. Every team that passed on him laughed at him. The New York Giants, everybody. Oh, Jackson dart. Giants were laughing at that. Remember how bad Shadors are? Interview reportedly was with the Giants and they were like, we got, we got questions on self awareness. They were laughing at that. So don't let your critics laugh. Make them, make them wish. Hope they sitting there going, remember when Letterman left NBC and went to CBS and Letterman had this hysterical opening press conference. It was genuinely laugh out loud off the script funny. You knew the NBC executives were watching that CBS press conference going, we probably just should have paid him. He's the funniest guy on the planet at the time. American Public University is the number one provider of education to our military and veterans in this country. They offer something truly unique, special rates and grants for the entire family, making education affordable not just for those who serve, but also for their loved ones. If you have a military or veteran family member and are looking for affordable, high quality education, APU is the place for you. Visit Apu APIs Edu Military to learn more. That's APU Apus Edu Military the day begins at the Chase Sapphire Lounge by the club at Boston Logan Airport.
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