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Colin Cowherd
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J. Mac
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing With a Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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J. Mac
Welcome to My Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King, and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kilberger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.
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Martin Luther King III
Join us for heartfelt conversations with remarkable guests like David Oyelowo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Billy Porter.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to My legacy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is my legacy. Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports radio at noon to 3 Eastern, 9am to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd@foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cow on Fox Sports Radio. All right, here we go. It is a Thursday. It is live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Tom Brady stops by in 30 minutes. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. So, J back, I was thinking about this. I do not watch games with fans. Now, infrequently, you and I will go or I'll go to my place in Manhattan beach and I'll watch a game that doesn't really matter. It's a what I would call a fun game. I haven't bet it. It doesn't. It may not be on the show. It's a Friday, Saturday game. But generally I don't like to watch professional sports with other people that aren't in my business because they always blame the refs. Even my reasonable, smart friends, they always blame the refs. Oh, boy, here we go. So the Kansas City Chiefs are 22 and 2 in their last 24. And even J. Mac, a hardened journalist, believes it's luck. It's rigged. It's the officials. And so what has always been remarkable to me. And I'm not a snob on this stuff. I just get worn down by fans and friends. It's always the refs. So Kansas City now is the target of all this stuff. And you'll hear from Patrick Mahomes in about three minutes. But I'll give you an example. Fans will be tough on the officials. They want perfection, but yet they let their coach and their players off the hook all the time. So let's go to Sunday's game. So let's just go to this Houston game where everybody thought it was the refs. It is 4th and 10 at this moment. It's the biggest possession of the game for the Houston Texans. They are scrambling to get the play in. And here's the call. Yeah, this is too big of a play. I think they need to call a timeout. But they snap it. Blitz again. Stroud in trouble. Carloftis is there. Kansas City ball, complete mayhem. You think you're going to beat Andy Reid in a buy and you can't get that buttoned up. But Tamiko Ryan's after said these officials, it was us against the world. Now, Kansas City didn't score on that. Now let's go back to the first quarter. We'll reverse it. Let's go back to the first quarter. Remember, the NFL has instructed its officials call roughing on plays like this. And at first glance, it looked like roughing. It's not challengeable. So there's that play and everybody think that is not right. Well, on that play, it did give them a first down. I'll admit that. But on the very next play, Travis Kelsey, the best tight end in football for six, seven years, is for one of four times on the day left wide open. You may want to cover him. I mean, Kansas City doesn't have a lethal receiving core. They don't throw to their backs that much. That's the one guy I have to cover. You didn't. He was 70% of the offense. Xavier Worthy's more of a gadget guy. Rasheed Rice is out. It's musical chairs at wide receiver. Noah Gray's not beating anybody down the field. You had one guy to cover if you left him open all game. Let's go back even further to the opening kickoff. You basically gave The Chiefs a 3 nothing lead at Arrowhead off a bye. And to make it worse than giving up a 63 yard kick, you had an unsportsmanlike penalty and a player shoving a coach. So you go on the road, you shove a coach, a disastrous special teams performance. You miss two field goals, that's six points. You miss a pat, that's one point. You give up a field goal in the opening kick because of that nonsense, that's 10 points. You lost by nine. And you also on several occasions did not cover the only really hall of Fame level weapon. Kansas City has old rickety Travis Kelsey. And you're blaming the refs on a go either way call with Will Anderson and Patrick Mahomes, which I said yesterday, on first glance, I was like, oh, that's that, that, that and the referees, it's not challengeable. They don't get slow mo, they don't get a replay. They gotta call what they see. So again, you demand that the officials are perfect when they're instructed to make certain calls and they're not challengeable calls. But you gave up on special teams, you gave up 10 points and you lost by nine. And that gets glossed over. Patrick Mahomes was talking about what it's like to be the Chiefs now in this constant talk about officials and working the system. And obviously I've been on both sides of it as far as how I felt the calls were made. But at the end of the day, man, those guys are doing their best to make the best calls and keep it to where the players are making the plays in the game and that's what decides the outcome. And obviously there was a call here or there that people didn't agree with. But at the same time, I think there was a lot of other plays that really decided the outcome of that football game. Yes, there Were. I've said this to NBA fans because for years and years, NBA fans were relentless. Mostly because the Lakers attracted better players. They had Shaq and Kobe. That's the way it works. And I always said this. Whenever you want to complain as an NBA fan, ask yourself two questions. How many free throws did they. You miss? How many free throws did your team miss? Oh, nine. You can't hit free throws as a professional basketball player. And how many turnovers did you have? And if the combination is like 16 to 18 mistakes, the refs get one occasionally, too. All right, so I do not believe in curses, UFOs, ghosts. Yeah, I don't believe any of that stuff. Sorry, but I said this this morning to the staff. If. If Ben Johnson and the Bears don't work, I'm pouring my entire net worth into bitcoin. I think it's going to work now. There are so many things. This is not the Jets. This is not Carolina. This should work. And here's the new guy they hired. It's Ben Johnson. Full of energy, full of spirit. He talked yesterday. Here it is.
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Tom Brady
All right, Bears nation, get ready to go beyond fired up to be here. This is exciting times. Cannot wait to get to work.
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Colin Cowherd
Bear down, baby. Okay. Sharp offensive coach, known for maximizing offensive personnel. And the Bears have weapons. Just left a great culture so he can cherry pick some stuff. He had proximity to a great culture in a rebuild. Right. Like he wasn't in a dynasty. He was in a bad franchise that built up from the ground floor. So this is literally, he's taking the job. And he just worked through a four and five year cycle of what he wants to do. He can steal stuff from there. The Bears have good assets. They have $66 million in cap space. That's top five. They have a dynamic rookie quarterback who has four years. He's basically free. And oh, by the way, you have three picks in the top 41 because you have an extra second. You have interesting weapons. This is not the Panthers job. This is not the Patriots job with Gerard Mayo. That's not what this is. So I don't know if Ben Johnson can turn it around. I don't know if he's Bobby flay or Sean McVay, but he's got a full pantry and a great kitchen. And if you go look, what really is true is that if you just look at the two teams that were in worse shape than Chicago, Washington this year. I mean, Washington's roster coming into the season is significantly lower pff. Than Chicago's. That Ben Johnson will get. And, and he's get. He's got six, seven draft picks to add and free agents, and Houston was a laughing stop. Ownership down. And, and they both gave you blueprints. For instance, Washington fixed the offensive line. Then they brought in, like, smart, savvy veterans, Bobby Wagner, Zach Ertz, Marcus Mariota. So you don't even have to. If you're Ben Johnson. You don't even have to be original. You could just steal what Washington did. You have a mobile quarterback. Your O line needs upgrading. Go ahead, sprinkle in a couple savvy veterans. Stir, put it in the oven, let it bake, and it should work. So now, now, in the first moves, he hired Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator. I like Dennis Allen as a dc not a head coach. He's going to bring reportedly as the offensive coordinator, the guy Hank Fraley that built that offensive line. I like that move. So there's a, there's like eight reasons this should work. You don't even have to be original. Just copy Washington and I. And I feel like I won't be watching a football team. I'll be watching an exorcism. Can they exercise their quarterback and offensive demons? Because when you look at this, this is a way better situation than Washington had in a way better situation than Houston had. We hated Houston's roster two years ago, and Ben Johnson doesn't even get a rookie. C.J. stroud was a rookie for D'Amico Ryan's. I mean, Caleb's already been in the league, so take a deep breath. I, I, but people ask me, you think it'll work? And I'm like, yeah, I think it will work. I think it will work. But this is not. Remember, most people thought if you would have had a younger, more current, richer owner, most people thought this was viewed as the best job available, despite their politics and potholes. So I'm looking at Dennis Allen, I'm looking at this, I'm looking at cap space. I'm looking at, you can use Washington with a mobile quarterback and all new people as an example. They're going to bring the Lions O line coach to be the O.C. like, this should work. I'm very excited. It should work. Here was. Is it Ben Johnson introducing himself to Chicago? We already showed that video, right? We already showed that one. Okay, so, J. Mac, you're looking at me kind of smiling. I'm not trying to be overly optimistic, but I also don't want to be cynical because it does stack up. There's a lot of stuff Here, I mean, the big knock is we don't know if it's the right gm. We also don't know if it's the wrong one.
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J. Mac
I don't know much about Ben Johnson. I'd really never heard him say much outside of that video. So I wonder. It was a little rigid and I'm not being too critical here, but you know how when you, like, meet a girl and you think there's some major potential and she's like, you want to go salsa dancing? And you're like, of course not. Oh, sure, yeah, let's go salsa dancing.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
That, to me, is what Ben Johnson felt like there, where he's like, all right, bear down, let's go. Well, he looks like a quiet reserve kind of cotton Dockers on the weekend kind of guy who's buttoned up. And I don't know if that looked like the real Ben Johnson.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, let me just say this. I do. To your point, he is not McVeigh.
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J. Mac
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
But I will tell you, I think he could be Matt LaFleur. So when Matt LaFleur got the job in Green Bay, I made two calls to Tennessee. I said, what are they getting? And they said, well, he hasn't shown that he can walk in and be a leader of men. He can be kind of quiet, kind of cerebral. The knock on him is, oh, he's going to Green Bay and it's Aaron Rodgers. Is he gonna get overpowered? So he was not. By the way, Shanahan's not a big personality fair. He's not. Zach Taylor's not. He's been to a Super Bowl.
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J. Mac
Mike McDaniels, definitely.
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Colin Cowherd
Mike McDaniels is not. He's quirky. Matt LaFleur isn't. You look at McVay and you're like, well, Sean is the whole package. Okay? That is like comparing quarterbacks to Mahomes. If you can be 93% of Mahomes, you're a seven time Pro Bowler. Like, if Jaden Daniels, you said today is 90% of Mahomes, that means he'll win a Super bowl or two. Because Patrick may win six and he's going to be a 13 time Pro Bowler and Patrick will be 18 times. So my take is don't look at McVeigh. I would look at Matt LaFleur, who was a bit reticent, not a huge personality, kind of. I think what I hear about Ben, very cerebral, very bright. Now, now we don't want him to be Adam Gase, who really was tipped on the a little obscure a little out there, but I think my take is best case scenario and what I've heard over the last three days, there's some Matt LaFleur here that'd be a big win.
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J. Mac
Colin Break. The Buffalo Bills were just flagged 15 yards for hitting Patrick Mahomes and the game still five days away. Just wanted to put that on your radar. An early flag on the Buffalo Bills.
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Colin Cowherd
See, I'm not going to watch games with you anymore if this is what it is. You, you were the last guy I watch games with. I'm kidding. I sit on my couch all weekend and just write down notes for games because you've done this before. Like the Kansas City's gotten into Laker territory like Kobe and Shaq. So I used to say this all you we got Tom Brady here pretty quick, but I used to say this all the time about Shaq. If you went to a Laker game and watched how often Shaq was fouled and it wasn't called, but if you watched on TV you thought Shaq was fouling everybody, you had to go to a Laker game, sit there and watch Shaq get mugged for two and a half hours. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio Apple. Omaha Steaks is America's original butcher and has been bringing people together with the world's best steak experience for more than 100 years of family owned experience. From handcrafted steaks to hearty roasts, family style sides and quick, convenient comfort meals, Omaha Steaks delivers everything you crave to reset and relax after the holidays. And now during their end of season sale you can taste the difference and get 50% off site wide@omahasteaks.com plus our listeners get an extra 20 bucks off with a promo code Herd at checkout. Omaha Steaks offers unrivaled quality and variety and every bite is backed by their 100% guarantee. They also carry mouth watering burgers, chicken, pork, seafood, dessert and easy to prepare comfort food. Bring home the world's best steak experience with Omaha steaks. Visit Omaha steaks.com for 50% off site wide during their end of season sale and for an extra 20 bucks off with a promo code heard at checkout that's 50% off@omaha steaks.com and for an extra $20 off with a promo code Herd at checkout.
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Bobby Bones
Hey it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you text me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the. The heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest. It was a little pink.
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Colin Cowherd
There was something sentimental when you. When you send it. It was like, do I send the heart now?
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Bobby Bones
Because I don't like the color edition.
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Colin Cowherd
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get.
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J. Mac
Consider this is a daily news podcast.
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Colin Cowherd
And lately the news is about a big question.
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J. Mac
How much can one guy change?
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Colin Cowherd
They want change. What will change look like for energy? Drill baby Drill schools. Take the department of Education. Close it. Health care better and less expensive. Follow coverage of a changing country. Promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises on.
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J. Mac
Consider this from in listen on the.
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Bobby Bones
Iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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J. Mac
Welcome to my legacy. I'm Martin Luther King iii, and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King, and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kilburger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.
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Martin Luther King III
Each week, we'll sit down with inspiring figures like David Oyelo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, and Billy Porter and their plus one, their ride or die, as they share stories never heard before about their remarkable journey.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to my legacy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is my legacy. Yeah, I'm eternally grateful that I get a broadcast for a living and watch sports and take notes and have fun. But it's also been great that I get Tom Brady on a regular basis. He is joining us live now. I gotta start with this because everything I read on the intern Tom is true. And it breaks my heart that we only got to work a year together. You're already leaving, so this really hard for me. I swear to God. The interweb has you. I don't know where you're going, but you're leaving. Would you address that, please?
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Tom Brady
It's hard for me to. I thought it was a great run, you know, one solid year. So, you know, there's time for new things. And I figured, you know, this has been totally mastered at this point. Yeah, I don't know where it comes from. I know it always says sources close to Brady or whatever, but I've had the best time at Fox, and I loved every time going into the booth and working with such great people, starting with my partner Kevin, everyone in our crew, Z, Rus, Aaron, Tom, who, you know, everyone would probably know a little bit about. But behind the scenes, there's so many incredible people that bring the NFL to life, and to see kind of how it is from a different perspective. You know, I've had so many years, 23 years playing on the field. I've watched so many games from. From, you know, the sideline, sideline view, and now I'm sitting up there in the booth and seeing it from a different perspective. And I've. I've. I've loved kind of just the whole process and diving into all these different teams. It's been a lot of growth for me in one year, and I really can't see. Can't wait to see what it looks like in year two and. And way beyond that, too. So I got nine years left on my deal and maybe longer. You never know. Fox wants me, and I want to go. We'll just keep going because it's been. It's been really fun thus far.
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Colin Cowherd
I think sources close to Brady are your kids, and my guess is they're not leaking stuff to the Internet. So. Okay, so, all right, let's get into the Raider stuff. So they need a coach again. There's a lot of talk about who the coach. They need a general manager. So you were a rookie broadcaster. You're now a rookie, part of an ownership group. Kind of. Give me. What does this entail?
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Tom Brady
It's a great point. You know, being a rookie, too, you got to almost go back to what your roots are as a rookie and remember that when you are a rookie, you're trying to learn as much as you can. And when I was a rookie as a quarterback, I really just kind of engulfed myself in a playbook and listened to a lot of the veterans. And this is how you're going to go about it, Tom, is how you're going to be the best possible player you can be. And then you realize that many years later, 10 years later, I started to actually perform the way that I thought I was capable of performing. So I wish I could have played football my entire life, but that kind, you know, 23 years was long enough. I got tired of really taking the hits, and I wanted to spend, you know, as much time as I could with the kids. So really being involved with the Raiders gives me an opportunity to be involved with football for the rest of my life. And I really love teamwork. I always have. I love seeing other people succeed. I really hope other players get former players, get opportunities to be involved with teams. And right now, there's a great ownership group, there's other great people involved. I'm one voice. It's so collaborative, but I think this process of learning is so important, so that's kind of where it's at.
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Colin Cowherd
So I want to ask you about Ben Johnson. So this is interesting to me. So everybody says, and I think I fall into this, hey, he got an offensive coach. And you think immediately, that's great. But you didn't. And in fact, Belichick let you and Josh kind of go behind the curtain, and he let you do your thing, which I love that. That's cool. Like, hey, you're into it. Josh, if you get an offensive coach, when you look.
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Tom Brady
Here's what I think when you look at these.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, go ahead.
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Tom Brady
Sorry. Colin is doing, like, a second delay, but I think that it's. There's such a jigsaw puzzle. When you look at a lot of different organizations and whether they're football organizations or basketball, baseball, I think it's a collective group of people, and you got to figure out that puzzle of what exactly fits if you do have a defensive head coach. You know, like Bill was. Bill was a great manager, and Bill did a great job coaching the coaches, and he had high expectations. I think he had background in offense, so he didn't necessarily probably throw all his ideas out there, but he did have a general understanding of how we should perform on offense, and he had expectations for that. Bill was, I thought, one of the greatest special teams coaches ever in the history of the NFL and obviously the greatest defensive coordinator probably in the history of the NFL. So I think when you look at all the different roles that he played in the organization that I was successful in, he did more than just coach. He was a great kind of added beneficiary or added great benefit to the defensive staff. He was a great listening. In his ability to listen to what we're doing offensively, he could provide insight to that. There was a lot of things he Added to our, to our club. So this whole puzzle with the offense coach, defensive coach, I just. It should be about great people doing great things, working collaboratively, being humble, learning every year in the same way that you said earlier to me, you're always trying to up your game every year. I feel like that's what I always try to do as a player, and I don't see that's any different in football or in business. Everybody should always be looking to improve and understanding where their weaknesses are, how to improve their weaknesses, and then continue to build on their strengths.
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Colin Cowherd
You watched a lot of Caleb Williams. If there was one thing that you want him to improve on that Ben Johnson can zero in on and you got a lot of snaps, is there one thing you'd say, hey, Caleb, this is the one thing I want you to work on?
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Tom Brady
I think it's always, you know, there's, there's. Well, I would say this for any player, and Caleb in particular, he's a young player. There's a lot of room for growth. Obviously, it's really up to him to decide where he wants to spend his time and energy to become the player that he wants to be. And I believe that there's three parts that make up great players. The physical, the mental, the emotional. We all have deficiencies. None of our fur pick players. Maybe the only perfect players I played against was Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Jason Taylor. Those guys were perfect in my opinion, but they had so many things figured out. I, let's say was at one point was physically, probably not where I wanted to be. Mentally, emotional, I was always very good. I had a great understanding of the tactics I could bring, a competitive desire to practice every single day to get the most out of my teammates. Where I needed to prove was physically, how do I become a better pocket passer, how do I improve the footwork in my pocket? How can I become more durable? How can I be a little bit more stronger in the pocket? When those things caught up to what I was doing mentally and emotionally, I became the type of player that I wanted to be. Some guys are really blessed physically, so they don't have to work on necessarily the mental, emotional as much. So I think you always have to have an understanding if you want to reach your true potential. It's about maximizing all three of those things. I went and spoke to the Notre Dame football team before they were in the. Or, excuse me, before they won the Orange Bowl. I talked about those exact same things. I talk any player who comes up and talks to me, whether it's other quarterbacks on those teams, whether it's college teams, you know, they're always seeking my advice and I tell them the same thing. You have to have a self awareness about who you are, where you want to go, and then work hard at the things where you're deficient in while still understanding what your strengths are and build on those. But this is a, this is a full time job to be an NFL player. This is. I woke up in the morning brushing my teeth in the morning, thinking about my throwing mechanics. If I just get my left shoulder looking in the mirror every day, that's, that's how I thought about it and I think that's why I was able to have such a productive career over a long period of time.
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Colin Cowherd
Jaden Daniels is obviously gifted. He moves well, he's accurate when you watch him from upstairs. What is the one thing that surprises you about Jaden Daniels as a rookie quarterback?
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Tom Brady
I think when you deal with most rookie quarterbacks, and I think what I saw in this Detroit game is when they most defensive coaches now, it's just like, let's put pressure on them, let's get to the middle of the pocket, let's send blitzers. He won't see him, he won't have a full understanding of protections or where his great one on one matchups are. Jaden looks, and I know this for a fact, he is a tremendous work ethic. Everybody speaks about his ability to work hard. He's in the playbook, you know, after he gets drafted in, in the off season, he's trying to understand what the coaches are going to ask him. And then you see how it's reflected in his rookie season, one of the great rookie seasons any quarterback's ever had. And he's got a great connection with his players, he has the physical tools and he's a very humble kid. How that reflects. And when I watch him play, he has tremendous poise in the pocket. He's calm under the chaos of being an NFL quarterback. They're blitzing him. The other night, the Lions were, he's standing in the pocket waiting the very last second. A lot like a, you know, Patrick does in so many ways and then delivers the ball accurately to his receivers in stride and they make big plays. So that's, I think a little bit about what's in store for him as he continues to develop in his future. His poise, confidence in himself. Some players need production to become confident. Some people become confident before they have any production. That's a great trait to have as an athlete, before you walk on the field, you're confident. You don't need to complete your first five passes to become confident. And I think that's what I see in a young Jaden Daniels take out Gronk.
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Colin Cowherd
And the Patriots weren't known as personality plus. Belichick muted some of that or player or players self muted that, knowing Bill didn't like it. And then there's the Philadelphia Eagles. It's ego. And now, now Barkley Saquon is very Patriot like. Jalen hurts a little bit, but it's a big personality. The coach is barking at fans. How does it work in Philadelphia? Because it's the opposite of your dynasty.
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Tom Brady
Sure, I think they do things very uniquely, but Howie Roseman's done an incredible job assembling that team. I think he's a guy that lives and breathes football every single day. When you think about being tough, you think about the offensive line and running the football and the defensive line and their ability to stop the run. And you're right, they do have some personalities. But when I look at Jordan Myallotta, when I look at Lane Johnson and Dickerson and Jurgens and Makai Becton coming in there, the strength of that team is their offensive line and Saquon, and they're just tremendous. That dominating force they have up front is absolutely incredible. And then the defensive line has drawn a tremendous job. Williams has done a great job. Jalen Carter's had a great second season. Sweat's done a great job. They lost Brandon Graham and Huff to injury, and they're still producing at a very high level. So I think that physical toughness permeates the whole team. And then you're right. I think naturally at the skill positions, there always is a little more personality. And I reference this in one of the games. The receivers certainly, and this has been, even when I was a rookie with Terry Glenn, you know, God rest his soul, but he. He had a, you know, his own way of trying to get included. And if they're not getting passes all the time, whether that was Randy, who I love more than anyone in this world, they just, they want to feel included in what they're doing. If they're not getting balls and impact in the game, they want to let you know about it, and that's just part of it. That comes with the territory. AJ Does a little bit of that. Devonta Smith is. Is obviously a great teammate and a very unselfish player, but naturally, some of those, I would say cornerback positions, receiver positions, they have their own way of looking at things and you just, you.
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Colin Cowherd
Just deal with it probably finally here because we have about three minutes left. Mahomes getting a lot of heat. I've been defending the Patriots. I said a couple years ago when they, when they moved off Tyreek Hill, they became the Patriots. They wouldn't be the fireworks show. It was like you guys losing Moss. You're not going to score 50. You're going to have to be more efficient, you have to be smarter. You have to be even better situationally. Randy Moss or Tyreek Hill give you those free touchdowns over the top. And those two play drives, those are over. I think they manipulate, I think they leverage. I think they're smart. I don't think, you know, all this rig stuff's nonsense. But, but I will say Mahomes in that out of bounds stuff, where he stops, I don't love that. I think it's. I don't love that. What do you make of the late hits and the controversy the league is protecting Mahomes? What do you make of all of it?
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Tom Brady
Well, I, there's, there's an aspect that I don't like about the, some of these defensive rules. I think I've been pretty outspoken, not just on broadcast, but just in general over the last bunch of years. And before a quarterback's out of bounds, you know, you hit them and, and it's. The reality for me is offensive players need to protect themselves. And if they're running full speed and the defenders are coming up, the defenders, the intent is to create. The only way to turn the ball over is to create force.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Tom Brady
You're not going to blow on the football and going to, going to, you know, knock its way out of a running back's hands or a quarterback, since you got to go in there with force and knock it out. You're trying to create turnovers, you're trying to disrupt the pass, you're trying to dislodge the ball. The only way to do that is with force. And there needs to be an aggressiveness to doing that. When quarterbacks become running backs and they're out of the pocket, they should lose their protection. And we are, in essence, we're trying to say we're trying to protect the quarterbacks, but coaches are calling more quarterback runs than ever in the history of the game. So who's protecting the quarterback? We're trying to say the referee should do it. I believe if you're an offensive player and you can't protect yourself or you're a defensive player and you can't protect yourself. If you're a D lineman and you're engaged in a block, no one can come and clip you, which is that's a chop block. That's well known. Everyone agrees with that. If you're defending your own block, you know they can. They got to get you on the ground somehow. If you're running with the ball, you should protect yourself. If you don't want to get hit, you can go down, you can run out of bounds, but you can't in essence, have the defensive player come in at half speed. And then you run over the defensive player because he's afraid of getting a penalty. And I think it's a just a disservice to the game. It's something that I would hope that people would really address and say, not that anyone's trying to take advantage of the rules, but they've just gone to a point where it does impact the quality of the game. I was on my social media and I was watching Ronnie Lott and he. Who's the greatest safety? Ronnie Lott.
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Colin Cowherd
Why?
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Tom Brady
Because he brought a force to the game that if you were catching the ball over the middle, he was going to force incomplete passes. And if the quarterbacks made bad reads, you know, that's who. That's how the game got taught. Now, there's no repercussions for quarterbacks making poor reads, making poor decisions out of the pocket. So I think overall, in my opinion, that needs to be seriously looked at.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. And like the professional broadcaster he is, he hands it to me for about 12 seconds left before we go to break. Tom Brady, nice to know you're going to be back at Fox. You know, you got to be careful about the interweb, folks. Not everything, believe it or not, is true. And his sources, I swear to you, are as kids. And that's who's everybody's source versus should be, my friend. Good seeing you, Tom.
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Tom Brady
Bye, Colin. We'll talk to you soon, man. Have a great week.
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Colin Cowherd
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you text me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.
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Colin Cowherd
There was something sentimental when you, when you send it. It was like, do I send the heart now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't like the color edition.
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Colin Cowherd
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Indicator is a podcast where daily economic news is about what matters to you. And we're guessing most days that's money.
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Martin Luther King III
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Bobby Bones
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Colin Cowherd
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Bobby Bones
Listen to the Indicator from NPR on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get podcasts.
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Martin Luther King III
I'm so sick of hearing men talk about women's basketball. If only there were a professional WNBA player with her own podcast I could listen to. Hey, this is Lexi Brown, WNBA player and professional yapper. And this is Mariah Rose. You may know me from spilling the tea on Hoops for hotties on TikTok. And we've got a new podcast, Full Circle. Every Wednesday, we're catching you up on what's going on in women's basketball, and not just in the wnba, but with Athletes Unlimited unrivaled and college basketball. We've got you with analysis, inside stories, and a little bit of tea. I know you guys have seen a lot of former and current basketball players telling their stories from their point of view, and I just think it's time for the girlies to tap in. We want to share all of the women's basketball stories that you won't see anywhere else. Tune in to Full Circle, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
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J. Mac
Welcome to My Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King, and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kilburger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.
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Martin Luther King III
Each week we'll sit down with inspiring figures like David Oyelo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Billy Porter and their plus one, their ride or Die as they share stories never heard before about their remarkable journey.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to my legacy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This, this is my legacy. So earlier, Danny Parkins pushed back on Jaden Daniels maybe being the top five quarterback in the NFL. But I do think we have four that are established. You know, Mahomes, Allen Burrow and Lamar Jackson are established. Not everybody's going to hoist trophies. And then I think you get into five and a lot of people would say Stafford, I would. But if you considered everything, if you were starting a franchise today, you're the gm, age, health, salary, I think you've got an argument you'd pick Jaden Daniels. Writes the great stock pickers in America don't pick it when the Stock is at $80 a share. They find that at $2 a share. So, I mean, part of the attractiveness with Jaden Daniels, no bad habits to correct, very inexpensive for the next four years he's got his health like this is going to be the worst roster Jaden Daniels plays for on his first contract. Here's what. Here's what Tom Brady said earlier. What blows him away about Jaden Daniels.
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Tom Brady
He has tremendous poise in the pocket. He's calm under the chaos of being an NFL quarterback. They're blitzing him. The other night, the Lions were. He's standing in the pocket, waiting the very last second. A lot like a, you know, Patrick does in so many ways, and then delivers the ball accurately to his receivers. Some players need production to become confident. Some people become confident before they have any production. That's a great trait to have as an athlete. Before you walk on the field, you're confident. You don't need to complete your first five passes to become confident. And I think that's what I see in a young Jaden Daniels.
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Colin Cowherd
That's a really good. That's a really good thought. Okay, do we have the breaking bar? It should be in green, not red. We have a new coach for the New York Jets, Aaron Glenn, defensive man. I think he's impressive. Former Jet. I think he was a scout for the team for a while. I don't have a problem with it. I think of all the job openings this year, there were six or seven. I think the jets have the best roster. I don't think it's. I don't think it's a bad. I mean, just came out of a great culture, so I don't have a problem with it. I think we tend to look at offensive coordinators as. As the future of the NFL, and I would prefer if I had a young quarterback. Generally, I'd prefer an offensive coach, but Washington's got Dan Quinn and they hired a great coordinator, so it can be done. Demiko Ryan's with CJ Stroud. Defensive coach Sean McDermott, he went from Brian Dabel. Now they got Joe Brady. So, I mean, it can be done. I mean, let's. Let's be honest. John Harbaugh is not an offensive coach and Sean McDermott's not an offensive coach and Dan Quinn isn't. And they were around last week and D'Amico Ryan's was around last weekend. And if I was the Raiders, I think I'd hire Pete Carroll. So I don't have a problem with it. I think I. Again, we're seeing defensive coaches with young quarterbacks succeed, and I also think this organization has made a pivot whether or not Aaron Rodgers is in the building. He will not control things. He's not going to tell them, go get me this, this, this. They don't Care. There is a new sheriff in town. It's Aaron Glenn. I like the hire. I don't have a problem with it. I mean, I thought Vrabel was an excellent hire. I mean, so far I think the hires have been pretty shrewd. I mean, my opinion, Vrabel is exactly who New England should have hired. I had Ben Johnson number two on my list, but by all accounts, that's a smart hire. I think if Pete Carroll goes to the Raiders, that's an excellent hire. I don't have a problem with this hire at all. They weren't going to get Ben Johnson, so. Okay. And they weren't going to get Vrabel, so I. I like the hire. I don't have a problem with it. I mean, Aaron. I called somebody last night and he thought this was going to happen and had nothing but good things to say about Aaron Glenn. And this is a good team. This is, this is a good roster. You know, you can say what you want about Robert Sala. They got way worse after Robert Sala left. So let me read this the. Okay, this is interesting. This is Adam Schefter. The jets have now hired seven head coaches since the end of 2000 season. So in fairness, that is 25 years. And with Aaron Glenn, six of them have been first time head coaches with defensive backgrounds. Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini, Rex Ryan, Todd Bowles, Robert Salla Glenn. Now Herm Edwards had some success. Eric Mangini early had some success. Rex Ryan had some success. Bowles Salah didn't. The lone exception was Adam Gase. And that was the biggest mess. So I am, I am offensive coach guy, but not in all cases. I think Vrabel is a good, good hire. J. Mac, your reaction?
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J. Mac
So I wasn't super positive on this earlier this week. Remember when it seemed like it was trending this way? I got to be honest. I am a Jets fan. I've been rooting for this team for a long time. You remember the Aaron Rodgers stuff? I did not want Rodgers. I did not want Rodgers when they got him. All right, let's go, Rogers. Let's get us to the playoffs. So I'm on board with the Aaron Glenn hire. I just had to go on YouTube. Do you remember the Dan Marino fake spike touchdown pass against the jets? Yeah, 1994. Do you remember the cornerback who was victimized on that play, Aaron Glenn?
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Colin Cowherd
He was a good player.
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J. Mac
He was excellent.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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J. Mac
So listen, I'm going to be positive and you're right, they have a good roster. But there is A lot, I think crap you got to clean out of that roster. A lot of garbage.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, let's clean out. What garbage do you have to clean out?
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J. Mac
I think start under center.
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Colin Cowherd
Huh?
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J. Mac
You want to start with the quarterback?
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, let's, let's, let's, let's talk about. He's the best available guy in the market. So let's move off Aaron Rodgers.
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Tom Brady
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Alan Lazard's contract's a little pricey for me. If I can move off that, I would.
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J. Mac
Tyron Smith, that's done.
- [46:35]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, but you already have a left tackle.
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J. Mac
We hope he got injured. The kid from Penn State.
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Colin Cowherd
By the way, I don't have the jets picks in front of me. Do they have all of them? I think they have all.
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J. Mac
They definitely have their first round pick. Devonte Adams, I assume is out the.
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Colin Cowherd
Door with Aaron Rodgers. And by the way, the jets don't have, it's not a great quarterback class, so they don't have an immediate need.
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J. Mac
So Colin, the real problem with the jets is their window was last year. Now you're on the cusp. Breece hall, who underwhelmed last year gonna be looking for a contract soon. He's, he's gonna show out. Garrett Wilson, he wants a contract. Sauce Gardner. Now they're not up yet, but the window is shrinking before you have to pay all these young talented guys that are on the roster. So. And without a quarterback, I, I just don't see any reason Aaron.
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Colin Cowherd
Now let's be positive. Aaron had a good seven of his last eight weeks. He's not the future. He is 15th best quarterback in the league. Okay, that's fine. I don't, I, I, I. All I'm going to say is this of the coaching vacancies, New England doesn't have this roster. Saints don't have this roster. And the Saints have Cap hell coming up. This team has some space. They do have a quarterback who played well down the stretch. They've got, they have six elite players.
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J. Mac
All right, let me, let me.
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Colin Cowherd
Quinn and Williams, Sauce Gardner, the line young linebacker they like, I think Breeze Hall, Garrett Wilson, Devonte Adams and the tight end from Penn State's going to be elite this year.
- [48:01]
J. Mac
The left tackle from.
- [48:02]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, left. My bad.
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J. Mac
So Colin, here, here's the thing. Without a quarterback, you really don't have much. The last time that when they hired Rex Ryan as head coach, they traded up and got Mark Sanchez and they went to back to back AFC championship games. Is there a world where the jets can dangle something to the Titans and go up and get Cam Ward. I'm willing to move on.
- [48:23]
Colin Cowherd
I'm going to move off Garrett Wilson. Let me say this, let me throw this out there. Is that the jets also the good thing about having the number seven pick is you have that pick at the top of every round. So it's a. So remember. So Ryan, by the way, do the jets have a second round pick?
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J. Mac
I believe they do. I think it was last year they lost the Rogers trade.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm going to make a prediction that the jets try to move down from the number seven spot. They won't have a ton of success doing that. Okay. It says they have a round two pick or a third conditional Raider. So I don't know what they have this morning, but they have a third, fourth, two three, two fives, two sixes.
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J. Mac
Who you, who, who do you want? Don't tell me.
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Colin Cowherd
I'll tell you right now. If I, if I ran the jets number one, I would move down with a seven pick. I don't think if they had the four, they could, I don't think they can at seven. So they're going to go out. You know what? They're going to go out and get. They're probably going to go out and get. I would guess. I don't think he'll be available. No. TMac the receiver won't be available. Okay, let me throw it out here. I'll throw it out. Mason Graham, who I think's the third best player in the draft, the defensive tackle is going to be in that 6, 7, 8 spot. He will start day one and be an impact player. I think they'd move down. But if they could get Mason Graham, I would take him next to Quinn.
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J. Mac
And Williams in the middle.
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Colin Cowherd
I think it would in that. By the way, in the NFL, if you talk to executives, the interior D line has now superseded the the end as the place to have your talent. Second pick. If they have a second. I don't know if they do. Keep your eye on syracuse quarterback Kyle McCord.
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J. Mac
All right, well, yeah, I get that.
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Colin Cowherd
What will you.
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J. Mac
Well, I'll get a little hotter than that. This is really rich at seven, but we, we've seen now four mobile quarterbacks are left in the playoffs. Mobile quarterbacks are winning. Tom Brady talked about quarterbacks leaving the pocket. Why not kick the tires on Jalen Milroe at seven. I know that's a little rich and people say no, but if you want to keep Rodgers, Milro sits for a year the way Patrick Mahomes did and Milroe then takes over as your quarterback in a year. He's mobile. He can make things happen.
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Colin Cowherd
That's kind of a reach, but I like him. It is a little reach.
- [50:46]
Tom Brady
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Bobby Bones
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Martin Luther King III
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Tom Brady
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing With a Star. So where else you can find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt cassell on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Martin Luther King III
I'm so sick of hearing men talk about women's basketball. This is Lexi Brown and Mariah Rose and we've got a new podcast, Full Circle. Every Wednesday, we're catching you up on what's going on in women's basketball. We've got you with analysis, inside stories and a little bit of tea. Full circle is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. Listen to Full circle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.
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J. Mac
Welcome to My Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife, Andrea Waters King, and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kil, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives.
- [52:26]
Martin Luther King III
Join us for heartfelt conversations with remarkable guests like David Oyelo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta, and Billy Porter.
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Colin Cowherd
Listen to My legacy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is My Legacy.