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Jason McIntyre
Let's go, baby.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Woo.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Eagles. Well, there, there are a lot of angles on this. I will say this, it's the only Super Bowl I've ever watched where there were four MVPs minimum. Howie Roseman, the general manager, Vic Fangio, the defensive coordinator, Jalen Hurts, the quarterback who won it for the Eagles and the entire defensive line. It was so dominating. It has to have a ripple effect on the Dallas Cowboys and the Niners and the Rams and the packers. And how they draft does it not like, how do you block that? I mean, it was really, really good during the regular season. What was that? I mean, we talk quarterbacks all the time on this show. Yet Philly humiliated Patrick Mahomes. They could not block the Eagles. I mean, Saquon Barkley was almost irrelevant. The Tush push was his most activity. The D line, the total defense. It makes Nick Ceriani this morning look like Belichick. Philadelphia's GM has and uses all the levers drafting, trading, free agency. And it's a relentless pursuit of excellence. Very good is not good enough. Look at their two picks. One is a rookie, another one is a transformed special teams player. That is so Howie Roseman. Look at the touchdown passes. One's a Heisman winner, one A.J. brown comes via a massive trade. The only roster I've seen like this in the last 15 to 20 years was that Seahawk roster when they had a similar quarterback, the elusive Russell Wilson, on the rookie contract. And remember, we've seen this before. That Seahawk defense harassed and humiliated another legend, Peyton Manning. That's what we watched yesterday. That was the lowest point for Peyton Manning in his career. Yesterday. Mahomes was awful. I mean, there's no shame losing to a great team, but if you look at the box score, that's the most deceiving box score outside of the turnovers I've ever seen for a quarterback. It says Patrick Mahomes, 21 of 32 and a passer rating of 95. That is junk points, junk yards and junk completions. He had one first down in the first half on the first play. And what was most disappointing is that he never seemed to sort of manipulate the game. But let's just talk about Philadelphia here. They had more penalty yards to Kansas City than actual yards in the first half. Think about that. The Eagles had more points in the first half than Kansas City actually had yards. It was Peyton Manning facing that Seahawk defense. And we last week we said, I think this Philadelphia roster is the best since that Seahawk roster. And man, did we say it on display. Now maybe, maybe it was inverse where Seattle, you know, remember, remember that Seahawk team, the big win, they're going to do two, then they. And I don't know in what order Philadelphia is going to go, but I just watched a flurry, a defensive line, rookie, corners, a game plan, and Mahomes was completely out of sorts. I mean, Philadelphia, this is what we thought they could be at their best. But throughout the course of the season, I can remember in week eight, nine, 10, 11, we're like, there are quarters, they're amazing. But remember early in the year, they couldn't score in the first quarter. Remember, early in the year we're like, man, they have drives. How do they ever punt? But you'd get like two drives a game. They put it all together last night. The gm, the dc, the quarterback, the O line, the D line. They didn't even need Saquon Barkley. And here was the young head coach after. This is the ultimate team game.
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Matt Hasselbeck
You can't be great without the greatness of others.
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Colin Cowherd
And we.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Great performance by everybody.
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Colin Cowherd
Offense, defense, special teams, how we getting us, the guys, our coaching staff, these great players. We didn't really ever care what anyone thought about how we won or their opinions. All we want to do is win. So let's talk Patrick Mahomes for the record he's now just three and two in Super Bowls and Tom Brady lost three of them by a total combined 15 points. Patrick Mahomes has lost two and the point differential is minus 40. And he has trailed in all five Super Bowls. And what really disappointed me, he never manipulated the game. He got rattled and frustrated, taken out of his game and had no second pitch. Tom Brady always found ways, even when he had the second best roster in a Super bowl, he found ways at the line of scrimmage to manipulate a defense, move the chains, at least be viable in field position. Anybody can win, let's be honest, with a full house or pocket aces. Can you win when you got a pair of sevens? And I felt multiple times in AFC championships or Super Bowls that Brady actually had the second best roster and had to massage it and manipulate it and move the chains with his pre snap excellence with Mahomes, two weeks to prepare with Andy Reid. It feels like they had no second pitch in. His special secret power has always been his legs. And once Philadelphia took that away, there was nothing else there. I don't remember Tom ever trailing 34 to nothing in any game. And in the one Super bowl where Brady was getting rolled 28 to 3, he came back to win again. Brady had bad plays, bad quarters, a bad half, bad moments. This was just awful. In fact, Brady's biggest Super bowl loss was that one possession game to the Eagles in which they never punted. So before we get into that silly goat conversation, know that Brady's superpower was the ability. When he had the second best roster and we never thought, I mean, New England constantly do your job. It's about the team. They moved off really good players. They didn't have a stacked roster. The Randy Moss team felt a little stacked offensively and they never won a ring. But the early Brady in the late Brady in the Tampa Brady was about manipulation, line of scrimmage, moving the chains. Often when you had an offensive line that was struggling or under duress or was being overwhelmed, two weeks with Andy Reid, I didn't even feel like I got a second pitch. You don't always get a full house. Brady has never been that bad in a big game. And at least when he struggled and he had pick sixes in Super Bowls, you felt there was a sense he was getting the most out of his roster. If you look at the clear stats now of Mahomes and Brady in Super Bowls, let's be totally honest about this, Brady is elite. Patrick's passer rating is mid-80s. That's what it is 86.9, 10 touchdowns, seven picks. That's with two weeks to prepare and that's with Andy Reid. And again, nobody's denying Philadelphia is stacked. Go ask Peyton Manning about that Seattle defense. But what's interesting is Brady faced that Seattle defense too. And he just kept manipulating and manipulating and manipulating and he trailed and he was behind and it looked like trouble, but Brady found a way to just get first downs, eat the clock, find your little weaknesses, the tiny little crevices. Against the Seahawks, all Brady had was a pair of seven against him. That's all he had. And he just put his team in a position to win. Yes, yes, yes. He had to rely on Malcolm Butler, but he put his team in position to win. Mahomes couldn't put his team in position to be competitive. I mean, I felt like I was watching the same play over and over and over. 34 nothing. And I never felt like that with Brady. Here's Mahomes after. That's the beauty of football is that you never can be satisfied with just going out there and playing and thinking you're going to have success year in and year out. These defenses are going to continue to get better and better. And so I have to get better. And so I take a lot of ownership in that and I want to hopefully come back and play better football. You know, it's interesting because I had Tom Brady on my show Friday in New Orleans and we broached this very subject. And it's interesting because, you know, we all know this is. There are very few great rosters in the NFL now because of salary cap. You can't do the Pittsburgh steelers in the mid-70s. Like, you just can't do that. It's hard to do the Joe Montana, Bill Walsh 49ers where you're like, I don't think they have any weaknesses. That's why what the Seahawks did for that brief time on Russell Wilson's rookie contract, you're like, this is insane. Or like when Brock Purdy's first year when San Francisco didn't have to pay him because he was a seventh round quarterback. And you're like, this isn't fair. Yes, Philadelphia's roster is great and had they won this, I get it. But there is the art of quarterback. It's not all legs and arms. And Brady talked about this. Tom Brady talked about this Friday on the show.
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Matt Hasselbeck
My last year in my, my last.
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Colin Cowherd
Super Bowl, I was a part of.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I was two weeks of watching film Friday night. I was just going through the film more I knew Kansas City's defense better.
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Colin Cowherd
Than they knew themselves.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I had the answers to the test. That's where I was great. That's where my magic superpower was. It wasn't how fast I could run, it was how fast I could diagnose what they were doing.
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Colin Cowherd
What's the special quality?
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Matt Hasselbeck
What's the Internet speed of me as a quarterback?
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Colin Cowherd
Fast as. Yes. He was Starlink before Starlink, and that's what disappointed me. It's not losing. There is no shame in losing to Philadelphia. J. Mac kept telling me all week that defensive line's trouble. And I kept thinking, Joe Tuney, Green, Humphreys, they'll be fine. It's Mahomes. It's Andy Alpha, Bye. But you know, and this is not to just dump on Mahomes, but he's gotten a lot of praise for years. But watching that game made me realize how great Brady was. Peyton Manning was completely undone by the Seahawks. Brady beat him. Mahomes was completely undone by the Eagles defense. No, Brady found ways to beat a Seahawk team. Manning, great. Mahomes, great. That's. That's Brady. A lot of you guys play poker. You can't just win when you have the best hand. It is about constantly bluffing and manipulating and, and trying to marginalize their best and elevate yours. And I, I came out of that game thinking, did we ever get how good Tom was? And I'm not saying, listen, I'm not saying that because he works for the company, but, boy, when you watch that game, I felt like Kansas City had the same play and they run it 28 times. It is what you do before the ball is snapped. It can't just be. Let's see if our left tackle can block him this time. The answer is no for three and a half hours. J. Mac, good stuff. Congratulations. You kept. You know, over the course of a season, we go about 50, 50. I'm yelling at you and you're yelling at me, but I could acknowledge yesterday by about the second drive that early. Well, you know, it's funn. There were parts of that game and I forget if it was like 17 nothing. And I'm like, it feels like it's 38 nothing. And then all of a sudden the dam breaks. Like. I thought Kansas City's defense did all it could considering they were. It was three and out, three and out, three and out. And Kansas City's defense is essentially, really, for a half, maybe, maybe a half and half a quarter, like they were really doing as good as they could do. But Philadelphia felt like their stuff was mostly working and when it didn't the next play did they just they. There is something to said. I know it's not just talent, but there is something to be said that if I have overwhelming talent and I'm smartly coached and smartly quarterback, it's hard to beat it.
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Jason McIntyre
I I saw a joke that you know Serena Williams participated in the halftime she did some dance.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Jason McIntyre
And I saw a stat that she had more yards the Chiefs had in the first half during the halftime show. I mean Colin. I know we joke about seeing ghosts in the pocket. You know, a member of the Sam Donald with the Jets. It felt like Mahomes did not know what was going on. He was anticipating pressure on a blitz and the Eagles never blitzed all night. Didn't blitz once they were getting home before and he looked totally rattled. I've never seen him that bad. The super bowl against the Bucs. He was under pressure, running for his life.
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Colin Cowherd
That was. He lost a left tackle late in the season and I almost gave him a pass on that one. This is two weeks Philadelphia. By the way, this Philadelphia team lost to Kirk Cousins early in the year. I mean if you go back to this Philadelphia team, what's interesting and this is why football's so great and baseball has this too. Be very careful about September and October judging this Philadelphia team could not score in the first quarter for like it felt like the first until Thanksgiving and we couldn't figure it out. We're like, how? But it takes time to figure out what you can do. And a lot of this goes to Jalen Hurts. And I want to talk about that. Coming up live in Los Angeles, it's the Hurts. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. Hey everybody. This message brought to you by the official Whiskey of the Herd with Colin Coward. That's Green river whiskey. Sipping it now. We've been learning all about Green River Whiskey. And let me tell you something. These folks know what they're doing. Basics, they focus on them like crafting. Top notch bourbon and rye whiskey. 35 bucks a bottle. That's it. High quality without breaking the bank. And here's something fun. Every Green river bottle comes with a built in game. Seriously, you can shoot the shoe by flicking a coin into the horseshoe design on the bottom of the bottle. Like shuffleboard. How cool is that? In a world that's getting way too complicated, Green river reminds us to Kick back, enjoy the simple things. Have a little fun. Check them out@greenriverwhiskey.com here's to green River Whiskey. Raise youe Spirits, a product of Green River Distilling Company, Owensboro, Kentucky. Alcohol by volume varies by product. Greenriverwhiskey.com Please drink responsibly. Here we go. Hour two and a Monday, a lot of green. Feeling good today live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J. Mac, you and Matt Hasselbeck. He'll be on in three minutes. We're right. Yes. You love Philadelphia. In fact, you, you on your foxsports.com column said the Eagles D line will be difference in the game and two series in. It was really obvious. It was the difference in the game.
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Jason McIntyre
I, I, I was holding off texting you because I know you had to console Nick. Tough time for him and his Chiefs. But I, I, I, this was as dominating a Super bowl as we've seen in a while. Colin last three years, we're all close games. This is blowout city.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you know something, though, and I said this for years, when the SEC dominated college football, I said I always root for people who deeply care about stuff. And I do think how much do you care correlates with how happy I am, at least for me. And Philadelphia cares so deeply about sports and Philadelphia Eagle football, they're like a collegiate team. I mean, they're callers on radio stations. They complain after winning. And I, I, there's a soft spot in my heart for people. If you love what you do and you do, put more time in it and you are better at it, I got no problem. I got Philadelphia. It's good for the league. Good luck being the Cowboys, Giants and Commanders because that D line is, is a lot of those guys are young. Yeah. I mean that. The corners, rookies, bond.
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Jason McIntyre
By the way, Josh Sweat, who had, I think, two and a half sacks last night. He's a free agent this off season. He's gonna get paid by somebody. Good times.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. Where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong on a Monday. Where Colin was right. Well, I, I spent a lot of time talking about general managers in the NFL and how undervalued they are. Howie Roseman been on that train for years. I think the executive suite is the difference with the Lions roster and the difference between Kansas City and Buffalo and the difference with Philadelphia. The bottom line, the gap in this league is not just coaches and quarterbacks. It's upstairs. Some teams don't know what they're doing. The Eagles always do take big swings, are very willing to roll the dice and it has paid off clearly. Where Colin was raw. Although I love his temperament, I think he's a great kid. I've never really put Jalen Hurts in the top six or seven quarterbacks because I don't think he's a great pocket thrower. But maybe it's time to reevaluate processing univier toughness, tush push. What he does continually is play really, really good football in the biggest moments. A lot of guys shrink. He elevates. I was wrong on Jalen Hurts where Colin was right. I didn't put Travis Kelsey in my top 10 players for the Super Bowl. It does feel like it's time. He had two catchable balls, didn't produce. He did have his turn back the clock game against Houston. Didn't do anything in the last two. Even the suit he wore. I don't know, just felt a little midlife crisis, whatever. I don't know. But it does feel like we're seeing. We're seeing a tank that doesn't have a lot left in it. Where Colin was wrong. You know, I thought the rookie cornerbacks for the Eagles could be a liability, but boy did they deliver. Who knew that Toledo and Iowa is where great cornerbacks live? Fast, sticky, smart, physical Cooper, DeJean, Quinon Mitchell. Just outstanding. And what was really interesting if you watch the highlights, is how often they could stay with Kansas City's receivers all the way down the field. This wasn't just about pressure. Mahomes did on occasion roll out and look and buy time and nobody was still open where Colin was. Right? Aaron Rodgers dumped by the packers and now dumped by the Jets. Am I surprised they did it? Yes. But I have said for years people close to Aaron who are played with him, he can be moody. You're never quite sure what you get in the building day to day. And right now he's probably 13th, 14th, 15th best quarterback in the league and he's a little expensive for that. And he is not. Despite what a handful of friends say, he's not a great unifier. He flew to New York, according to Jay Glazer, thinking he was going to be the quarterback. And the second NFL franchise said, we're gonna move on where Colin was, right? Deebo Samuel Everybody laments the future of running backs. I believe a quarterback's best friend is an O line and a run game, not a needy wide receiver. I like Deebo He's a good player, but it's kind of become a cliche now. The receiver that needs touches and attention in the end. Running backs don't. Their careers are shorter. It's almost like they're more appreciative. Adibo Samuel, once they drafted Ricky Piersoll, felt like he was no longer part of the San Francisco 49ers future. Where Colin was wrong. Yeah, is way wrong on Nick Ceriani. Never loved his methodology and yelling at fans and confrontations on the bench. But you know what? Two Super Bowls in three years. He feels, you know, what can I say? The team likes him. The city likes him, the coaches like him. You know, he's a little bit emotional. Well, so was Bill Parcells. I made a mistake of thinking that everybody coaches the same, and they don't. You know, there's creative guys like Andy Reid. There's more rigid guys like Bill Belichick. There's more emotional guys like Dan Campbell and Nick Sirianni, and then there's more stoic guys throughout the league. So everybody coach is different. And I have learned my lesson. Where Colin was right. Oh, Joel Embiid might need another knee surgery. I've never understood Embiid. He didn't play his first two years in the league because of injuries. They had injury concerns coming out of Kansas. Why is everybody denying the truth? When bigs are hurt early, they're hurt often. And he's a tremendous player. But as we saw in the Olympics, he does at times have real problems playing well with others. Yes, he's talented. Yes, there's some components that make him look a little like Shaq. But in the end, they've always, like, denied the injury stuff. And once again, he no longer plays in back to backs. Injury issues surface where Collin was right. I said I thought Jimmy Butler to the warriors would happen and should happen. He makes him more interesting. But I also think there's a physical component to his game. He was part of a Warriors blowout win over Chicago. Steph Curry talked about his importance, and now Steph said he's almost the opposite of me. So it's a good fit.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I think the idea that he's like.
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Colin Cowherd
The exact opposite player of me, which is kind of funny.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Like, I'm shooting 16 threes.
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Colin Cowherd
He shot one, got to the free throw line a lot.
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Matt Hasselbeck
He's dominating the paint.
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Colin Cowherd
I'm dominating outside in the perimeter.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Guys working around.
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Jason McIntyre
This is.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Has a potential to be really, really fun.
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Colin Cowherd
The warriors needed some juice. Jimmy Butler is absolutely that. Where Colin was right. Where Colin was wrong. And with that, we bring in Matt Hasselbeck, who is appropriately wearing green. Well, you know what? I kept pushing back on Sirianni. I kept saying, ugh, yelling at fan. What's he? A caller on WIP radio. What is going on?
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Matt Hasselbeck
And you kept defending, first time, long time.
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Colin Cowherd
And you just kept saying, you're wrong, Colin. So let's go back.
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Matt Hasselbeck
And you said you learned your lesson.
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Colin Cowherd
I did.
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Matt Hasselbeck
I actually don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true. I think you're saying what you know you need to say, but I think you still don't understand. I don't how Nick Sirianni has been so successful. Explain it to me right or am I wrong?
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Colin Cowherd
No, you're right. Explain it to me. Because it looks at times so juvenile, and I'm like, be a coach. But they love him.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Love him. Absolutely love him. And listen, the first month of the season, people were calling for his head. Everyone on tv, everyone with a pen, a typewriter, whatever, you know, has a Twitter account. You know, they're calling for his head. But. But he kind of reminds me of Big Dom. I was trying to think about how I could explain this to you. Okay, Big Dom, everybody outside the building's like, man, what's this guy's deal? Stay back off the sideline. Like, what's your deal? Like, what's with all that? But, like, the people there, they would take a bullet for him. Like, that's their guy. Anybody that's been through Philly, My brother played in Philly. I know a lot of people that played in Philly. They're like, oh, Big Dom, he's the guy. It's kind of the same thing with Sirianni. Like, I know there's some. There's. There's a little bit of strife. Sometimes there's. There's iron sharpening iron. Sometimes there's some sparks. But, like, no, I think he is a legitimate, legitimate coach. He's a great leader. And. And I just think he's got his team focused. So, no, I'm happy for him. I think he did an excellent job this year.
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Colin Cowherd
So you got to explain this to me. And I. And I. And it's easy to dump on Kansas City today, but as you know, you watch film and you prepare, and then you get into games, and you were in these games, you're like, oh, hell, we can't block them. And then over. I always thought Tom was really good at this because Tom got it. There were a lot of times Tom did not have the best hand and Super Bowls or conference champions. I always thought those Baltimore teams had better players, but Tom was really good at manipulating the offense. Like, okay, I'm just going to get first downs. Let's just keep our defense off the field. Let's get to the fourth quarter. 34 Nothing is not a territory Tom was in. And, and again, I thought Philadelphia had better players. I said that all week. But it didn't feel like to me, Matt, that they adjusted. I felt like Kansas City was running the same deeper routes over and over. Am I wrong? It. I just felt like, okay, Patrick, shorten, quicker, manipulate cadence stuff you talk about. I didn't feel like they had a second pitch.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, they took away one of his superpowers and it did remind me a little bit of a Tom Brady super bowl early on when it was 28 to 3. Yeah, I'm kind of doing the math. I'm like, all right, that's 25 points. You know, it's 24. Nothing here like this could be his Tom Brady 28 to three moment. He's going to bring them back. They're going to go, no huddle. They're going to do something. But what Vic Fangio and Philly did, one of the things that they did is they took away his superpower. And what I mean by that is that, and I mentioned this to you before the game, one of the things that Patrick Mahomes is as good, as good as anybody at, maybe the best is redirecting and sliding his protection, six man and seven man protections, and finding the blitzers. And they didn't really blitz. Now you're going to hear everybody on TV say they never blitz. That's not true. Go watch the tape. They blitzed at least three times, but they were zone replace fire zone type blitzes. They had Zach Bond blitzing. They had 40, number 42, I think his name's blanking on his name right now. But they did blitz. But what they had him doing is they had him seeing ghosts at times because it was a three man or a four man rush. Most of the time it was an eight people dropping in coverage or seven people dropping in coverage most of the time while Kansas City was committing six people or seven people in protection. So what happens in a situation like that is you have your left tackle, left tackle, right tackle, running back in for protection, blocking no. 1, and you have all these extra defenders in the secondary. And. And they were, yes, I agree, they were able to get home with a D line pass rush. The whole night and it absolutely disrupted them. He was on edge. And then you saw the turnovers happen. Very uncharacteristic.
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Colin Cowherd
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Matt Hasselbeck
He's very steady, never too high, never too low. He does a lot at the land of scrimmage they call two plays. A lot of times he's alerting or killing or getting out of one play into another. The other thing is in like their bread and butter runs with Saquon. He's got the ball in his hands now he's reading a defender. He's either given it or running it. They ran him quarterback lead a bunch. But you're right, he completed 12 passes past the line of scrimmage in the entire game. But they were big passes. Most of them fades post. But I thought if I were to, if I were to give him like sort of like, hey, this is the thing you do better than anybody else could be tush push. Yes. But I think in this, in this game, third quarter, he had a scramble for 16 yards, 14 yards, 17 yards and then another scramble that ended up as a 22 yard completion to Saquon Barkley. Those are back breakers. Those are like the defense called the perfect defense, played it perfectly. And now the quarterback gets out and just absolutely like kicks us in the stomach. Takes our breath away. And obviously the no critical errors when the quarterback on the other side turned the ball over three times.
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Colin Cowherd
You know, again this is easy for me to do on a Monday, so I don't want to have recency bias. But if you go look at Patrick Mahomes, five Super Bowls, he's three and two and his passer ratings in the 80s. Now I would think two weeks with Andy Reid would be such a prohibitive advantage. But when I watch the game, my take is maybe I've given him a little bit too much credit on the pre snap stuff. And in the end he's got a style, he plays it. He had libs and he's not, I heard this years ago. He's not A film junkie. He's not bad at it, but he's not Brady or Breeze, where he's literally staring at that thing 300 days a year. Does it. How does it not affect his legacy a little bit, Matt? I mean, to lose like that in one of the worst games a quarterback has played in the Super Bowl. How do I not. It sticks to me. I can't unsee what I saw. Right.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Well, one of the best things about football, and you heard Nick Sirianni and many others talk about it last night, is it's the ultimate team sport. Like, I played my entire life, it's ultimate team sport. And, you know, I'll probably screw the quote up, but he said it over and over again. The whole team did. It's hard to be great when there's not greatness around you or something to that effect. I don't think the guys around Patrick played particularly well. You've got, you know, right off the top of my head, two of the guys with the best hands, like, maybe in all of this planet, dropping very easy passes to cast, to catch. But clearly he did not have a great day. And that's sports, and that happens. But. But it is a team sport. And so, like, yes, the legacy and all that kind of thing, but there were moments when he was trying to put the team on his back. And again, I just think, like, pass protection is huge. You think about how Kansas City even got here in the first place, beating Buffalo. Guys stepped up. I'm thinking of that Xavier worthy catch when it should have been intercepted and he came down with it. Guys step up and do something above the X's and O's and, you know, the turnovers. And then guys playing, like, really, like, we're just beating ourselves. We're laid off the ball, we're dropping passes, we're having penalties where it just was a. It was just not their night. I don't know. I don't know what all went into that, but that was an unrecognizable team to me.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you know, I don't expect players to be general managers, but I said Philadelphia was so overpowering on the lines. It made me think, if I was the commander's GM or the Cowboys or the Rams or Packers or the Lions, I would say, guys, it may change free agency and draft opinions in those rooms. Is that when that Seahawk team was so relentless, you know, you looked around, you're like, if we got to play those guys twice, we got to get better tackles. And I could be a little over the top here. But I did feel watching that game, man, if I'm, if I'm Washington, I may go after Miles Garrett, I may go after Trey Smith. Like we're like nine players away from beating Philadelphia. You tell me as a player, did you ever have a team in your division where like the guys were like, we need more dudes. This has to be an aggressive off season.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, it's a cop. It's a copycat league all the way. I mean, my Rookie year was 1998. That was Randy Moss's first year. He absolutely destroyed the NFC that year. Just destroyed us, the Green Bay Packers. What did we do the next year? Ray Rhodes is the head coach. We drafted a corner in the first round, the second round, and the third because of Randy Moss. And we really didn't lose anybody either. Like, it wasn't like we like, oh, we got to replace some people. No, we just added, we got to figure this out. And like that absolutely happens. You go back to the, the New York Giants super bowl where they knocked off Tom Brady and the Patriots when they were undefeated. You got Michael Strahan, OC Minor, Justin Tuck, like they won it with a four man rush the next year. Everyone was trying to do the same thing, like, hey, we just need this amazing four man rush. It makes all the guys in the back end, the back seven, look so much better. And then you think about the other super bowl that Patrick Mahomes lost to Tampa. Copycat league, like, oh, shoot. What's the formula? The formula is protection up front. We're going to over invest in pass protection because that's the name of the game. So yeah, this is a copycat league through and through. That's why when, when somebody said, you know, they kind of had this idea like, you do not need to pay a running back. You can go running back by committee. Everyone kind of went that way. Now it'd be interesting to see with the success that Saquon had, how are people gonna feel about that? Are we gonna draft running backs high this year? Are we gonna pay running backs in free agency? But no, if you look at what the Philly, what Philadelphia Eagles and their defense did with a four man rush most of the night, Garrett added to a team is like a no brainer. And the beauty of it for him, I don't think he needs more money. I think what he wants is a great organization who will be relevant in January and has a quarterback that can go out and help them hoist to Lombardi. That's what he cares about.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. By the way, one final question not related to the Super Bowl. We had talked about Aaron Rodgers, second NFL team, packers, jets, just said, hey, listen, we're going to move on. I don't know if he wants to play. That's. That's up to Aaron. If you're Vegas, roll the dice or go. I mean, if you could do Aaron for a year or get one of the young college quarterbacks who you may not see as an A plus plus, you know, prospect, what do you think happens to Aaron?
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Matt Hasselbeck
If you had a guess, it won't be Vegas. I don't. I don't see. I don't see that for Pete Carroll. I don't see that for Chip Kelly. That. I don't see that. I do see Aaron Rodgers playing football. I don't see him playing for the jets, obviously, but there is a team out there that absolutely would want Aaron Rodgers for a lot of different reasons. I think it'd be refreshing for him, rejuvenating for him. You know, who knows, maybe it could be the Tennessee Titans. And, you know, some people say, like, oh, he's got a house there. Like, it doesn't matter to him. He go get a house like that. Just like. Right. You know, he could probably Venmo with his account, you know, for a house. But it's not so much that I think there's an opportunity to go play in that Joe Burrow offense with Brian Callahan. Maybe you rub off on Will Levis a little bit and kind of like, you know, I think he's. He's a kid who has all the tools, but maybe just needs a little more savvy and tangibles, maybe a calmness that Aaron Rodgers can bring. And I think it might be fun. I think it might be fun for Aaron Rodgers to. To just get out of New York and just play somewhere else. So I don't know. I'm spitballing here, but that feels right to me.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, you were right. We have a new segment where Matt was right and Colin was wrong and you just watched it for 20 minutes twice a day.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Like a broken. Like a broken clock.
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Colin Cowherd
Hey, you've been great all season. We'll hear from you multiple times off season. Good seeing you, Matt, as well. Thank you.
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Matt Hasselbeck
Had fun, man. Thank you.
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Colin Cowherd
All right. He's been great for us all year. Yeah. I think Nashville. He's got a house in Nashville. I think that's the one that you may have mentioned this. That one feels right. Offensive coach got a place in Nashville, you know, that Division is literally on an annual basis, completely up for grabs.
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Jason McIntyre
That's a good point. How do you think Will Levis would.
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Colin Cowherd
I don't think.
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Jason McIntyre
You say, who cares? But they don't. They have a pretty decent pick in the draft.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, but here's my. Here's my take. You take Aaron for a year or two, you move off that number one pick, accumulate all sorts of picks, build your roster with five extra draft picks, and then next year, which is the year for much better quarterbacks, go get it. Oh, get a Riley Leonard in the third round or something. I just think when you have that first pick. My theory on drafting in the NFL, always trade down if you have the number one pick. Unless there's a transformational quarterback. And in most issues we find that the second or third quarterback taken is the best quarterback.
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Jason McIntyre
Do you think Cam Ward is transformational?
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Colin Cowherd
No, and I don't. I like Shador more than him, but I don't think he's transformational either. I think they're both capable of being franchise quarterbacks. But my take is bring in Aaron for a year, he'll be home, he'll be happier, he'll be out of New York and just trade down your pick and fill the roster out.
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Jason McIntyre
So Hasselbeck mentioned Rodgers in Tennessee and I'm thinking like, if I'm Brian Callahan, I've worked my entire career as a coach to get to be a head coach. I see Will Levitz for a year, he vomits all over himself. He's not the guy. Do I want to go with Aaron Rodgers in year two when if it goes sideways, there's a decent chance I'm fired? That was my shot. I would rather reboot with a new quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
All right.
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Jason McIntyre
Just because, like, it's going to give.
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Colin Cowherd
Me a longer Runway.
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Jason McIntyre
Right. Kenmore doesn't. Is it a phenomenal As a rookie fight? Let's see what we saw, some growth, maybe year two.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, there was also a feeling, fair or not, that Aaron Rodgers got rid of McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers didn't help Salah. So if you're Callahan to your point, you're like, listen, just, just selfishly for my career project, you know, Ascension. Aaron's not good for coaches.
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Jason McIntyre
How about Brian Dable in New York Giants? They don't have. I mean, I think they're sitting. Yeah, they're not going to get one of the top two quarterbacks unless Shador slides. If Stafford thing doesn't materialize, Dable's like, who does he have? What's the game plan? Dable's going to get run out of town. You know that if they don't win this season.
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Colin Cowherd
Oh no, there's no question he has.
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Jason McIntyre
To get a quarterback. And like, I mean what's Justin Fields? Is it Russell Wilson? They did kick the tires on Russell Wilson. I think they met him in an airport for coffee when he was eligible before he went to the Steelers. So it's gonna be fun. Now we got we got quarterback controversy this offseason.
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Colin Cowherd
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