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Alec Baldwin
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Dan Aykroyd
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Colin Cowherd
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher on Fox Sports Radio.
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Doug Gottlieb
What up? Welcome in this is the Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening to us on this Thursday. Welcome in. Colin is off back next week and we got a lot to get to, including Aaron Rodgers, J Stu, something did dawn on me here as we had the breaking news that we'll get to in one second. It's that I don't, I don't even know if I should. Do I need to address LeBron tweeting at me randomly a couple days ago? Because it's a different platform than my show.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think it's a must.
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Doug Gottlieb
You think so? Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Maybe some people aren't familiar with this, so I think you need to like be derivative with it. What happened? How, why? What were you doing?
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Doug Gottlieb
I don't even know what happened. Like, I don't know. Like what? Like I was. Oh. If I was flying from your vantage.
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Colin Cowherd
Point, how did it go down?
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay, so for people just joining us, I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. Many of you have, throughout my travels now as both the host of the Doug Gottlieb show and the head coach of Green Bay, have like, man, I love you when you're on calling, like, I'm still on calling and just we just do it remotely now. So I appreciate you. And obviously Colin is going to spend at least some time closer to us in Green Bay in Chicago. I don't know how much that that's going to be or how that any of that works. That's not my business. But yeah, over the weekend we broke out of our. Despite the fact we, you know, didn't have still don't have the nation's leading scorers out with injury or our starting center who came over mid year. We pulled off an upset, got a big win on Sunday for the first time in since 2021, we won a game in our on campus facility called the Crest Center. That was first time since 2021 we'd won on campus. And for my team we lost 21 in a row. 21 in a row. Kids battled, beat a good Wright State team and end up getting win. So, you know, it's like unbelievably positive vibes and these and I can, you know, everybody calls their college team kids, but when you're playing, you know, six of your rotation or you're, you know, start five fresh, four freshmen and a sophomore who's 19 years old, you know, you're sitting there going, hey, they're actually kids. Everybody calls their team in college kids. And as the sport has gotten older, my guys are actually kids. So for these kids, they just kind of taken a beating a little bit, you know, emotionally themselves, they're competitive people. And then I don't think they. And probably I didn't even understand how people would choose to follow our story this year. You know, just looking at final scores, not caring about anything else. And when the losing streak built up, you know, people beat up on us on, on social media. There's plenty of other teams that are struggling this year. Apparently the only one they care about is mine, which is fine. Okay, that's, that's, that's how it's gonna be. And it's gonna be that way when we win. So it's okay. But the point is that I, I don't know if anyone, especially those players, expected what, what kind of happened. So we get a win on Sunday. It's 2:00 game, you know, about 4:30, 5:00. I'm over to a place called the Black Sheep, which is on this side of town. It's the only real spot where you can go have a. Have a beverage and it's great. And then that night we go out and have dinner and the guys are good. And the guys have. We have to. Mandatory. It's mandatory for our program to take two days off. We chose to give them two consecutive days off. And me and a couple my staff guys, we went and recruited on Monday. So I'm flying and I made it a. I made it a point to myself. Chase 2 as you know, I am on my phone too much. And this job is terrible for it. Terrible for. Because, you know, like when you're recruiting, you have to constantly check in with players and coaches with your team. You kind of have to constantly check in with your players and coaches and with that you're gonna be on your phone. But I was like, you know what? We gotta win. It feels good. I don't need social media day. I don't need anything. I'm just gonna fly, land and be and watch tape and figure out recruiting, figure out my current staff, my current roster. All these things I land and I hadn't. It's like first time because I normally fly American and I was flying Delta and I'm like, you know, I have an account with American to have that, to have the WI Fi, you know, where you're paying a monthly. I didn't have with Delta. I didn't even look at it. I just, I'm just watching tape, minding my own business. And also I land and one of my buddies calls me, says, what would you do, LeBron? I was like, I don't even know you're talking about. Did you see Twitter? It's like, no, I'm not on Twitter today. He's like bronze coming at you. Okay. Over what he's like, I don't know. So the context of the tweet was clearly making fun of our record, which the tweet was old. We'd actually, it's like all my guys, all my players text me like, hey coach, can you tell LeBron we've won three games, not two, like we're not, we're not like that. And, and then, you know, he went, he went 30 year old credit card with the got to give him credit deal to be clever. So I think again, I don't know because I don't know what LeBron James would be doing on the day before he had to get back to work with his ankle injury. But my guess is either I live in his head rent free, which is a possibility, or it popped up in his, you know, it can pop up in your like timeline record. And he just chose to fire off at, you know, catch me Astray, but for whatever reason he chose to do it. And of course there is speculation from the masses that it's over. The fact that I have questioned Bronny James validity as a McDonald's All American when Jonathan Gavoni ranked him as the 10th best NBA prospect in college in basketball last year, even his selection at 55 in the NBA draft or their use of him early on the season, he's still on the Lakers roster, I guess, but I don't know. Chase 2, that's again, we're just guessing because it wasn't like. And it wouldn't be that hard finding a take that a lot of people had, but finding a take that he didn't like of mine and then quote tweeting it and if he wants to then make fun of our record, I guess then it's good. So am I assuming the wrong thing to assume maybe it's over, Bronnie. Maybe it's. Or he listens to the show, he didn't like some of my football picks. What do we think? It's over.
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Colin Cowherd
It's been, it's been fascinating sport to theorize on this one because, yeah, he hasn't had any follow up. Nobody asked him. And if you know, somebody like Dan Wookie's listening right now, maybe somebody should ask him about the Gottlieb tweet at the next game because we do need clarification. The theories that I've heard around the office here. Okay, you were, you were one of multiple people to make a comparison of Bronnie with Make a Wish. Okay, that exaggeration that probably hit his radar. But I think the one take that you had over the summer when you said that you weren't sure that Bronnie would start for your team. So in other words, you have a Division 1 head coach saying in the Horizon League saying that I'm not sure Bronny would start for my team. Now I remember you saying that and you were being genuine. You were not saying that to exaggerate. That was not a hot take. That is basically how you felt about Bronnie's skill set at that time. I think earlier this week you said, you know what, he would break the starting lineup.
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Doug Gottlieb
But part of it is okay. So again, we're kind of brass tacks. What people don't know and, and it's great. It's actually Anthony Roy is our best player. Anthony Roy was averaging 27 a game before he suffered a lower leg injury that he is working to come back from. And I don't know if he'll be back for our regular season. It's going to be real close. Anthy Roy is better and I would rather start him than Bronny James. No one in my program, no one in basketball would argue with that. He just would. He's a walking bucket. He was leading the country in 3 point percentage and an effective field goal percentage while averaging 27 a game. Again, it's not just about points or whatever, but the dude is ridiculous. He's also older than Bronnie is. 23 years old, turned 23 midseason. So he's older than Bronny. So if you want to say if you think Bronnie has better upside, again, you can think that. I don't believe so. So he would not start there. My other two starting guards at the time this summer I have kid named Preston Rudinger who is in his fourth year playing. He started out as a walk on at Valpo, then earned a scholarship of Valpo, then transferred to Green Bay. Okay, he's just a hard playing 62 kid from, from Appleton, was from Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Then I had Jeremiah Johnson who was a top 100, top 150 kid. And I think he actually compares very favorably to Bronny. And here's the thing, okay? If we're actually going to have a real basketball conversation, here's the real basketball conversation. Because though I don't have time to track every G League performance, I do have people in my life that I'm very close to who have, do and continue to either coach or evaluate the G League and he had, you know, one of his games in which he had a bunch of points. He wasn't actually very good. You know, he was like 6 of 19 or whatever. And they went from a close game to getting blown out. And then he had another, yet another big game where he played really, really well. He's been up and down in the G League. He's been completely ineffective and he's not good enough to play in the NBA. And no one really argues with that. They don't. Can he start on my team? Yeah, probably. My, my issue with Bronnie has always been like, he's not a point guard. He's not an elite shooter. There's no tracking for any time in his career, high school, college, professionally, that he is an elite shooter ever. He's not elite passer. And though he can be, he has some of the skill set of being a good defender. Like the, the issue that most people myself who actually evaluate basketball is, especially during summer league, he wouldn't guard the big time point guard, the legit dude. You know, he'd go over and kind of hide and guard a shooter. So, you know, I think he's. I thought he'd actually have a very good college career. My suggestion at the time and would have remained, why not go play for one of your best friends at Duquesne, get away from it and just really, really develop the confidence of being a scoring combo, because that's his path to success. But yeah, like, and my staff, when I said that, they're like, I think he'd start, like, I don't know that. I don't know what he looks like because when I saw him play in college at usc, okay. And unless Andy Enfield's a complete dope, which I don't think anybody thinks Andy Outfield is a complete dope, he didn't start him because he was behind guards that were better than him. And when he did play, regardless of his stats, they didn't win. They weren't more competitive. They were one of the worst teams in the Pac12 last year. That wasn't a super strong basketball conference. Now it's a higher level in the horizon. But like, we got good guards in this league. Really, really good guards. This kid named Bellow at, at Purdue, Fort Wayne, he was a Division 2 kid who transferred in there. He's tough. He's tough. I would rather have him than have Ronnie. And then the other part to it is the reality when you're coach, you're not gonna sit there and throw your own guys on the Bus, like, oh, he's better than everybody in my roster. He's not. So. But. But again, if it's about that, why not make it about that? Instead of just the stray, let's make fun of their record with no context. Leave you to wonder. And what. And the other part is, why, like, what is the win in it for LeBron? Now I know you got. What do they call. What do we call people who are like, LeBron sycophants on social media?
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Colin Cowherd
Stan. LeBron stans.
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Doug Gottlieb
Just that, like the fanboys who. Bronze sexuals. That's what they are. Bronze sexuals. Ah, my. My. My Instagram is full of bronze sexuals who know nothing about anything other than LeBron. LeBron, LeBron. Like, that's. That is a weird one too. It's. It's creepy to the level of when women and guys. You just remember when Michael Jackson would, like, travel to Japan and like, in his motorcade, people would see him and they just start crying and you're like, what is wrong with those people? Why are you crying at the sight of Michael Jackson? J. Steel, You're. We're the same age. We're about same age. You're a little older. Right. Do you remember those. Those videos of like, Michael Jackson goes to a foreign country and people actually start crying?
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Colin Cowherd
Of course. Of course.
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Doug Gottlieb
That's how. That's how I view. I think most people view. What is it again, Ryan? Bronze. Bronze sexuals. Bronze sexuals.
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Colin Cowherd
It's funny that you bring in bronze sexuals if you were hearing from them, because if you read the comments of that tweet, and I encourage our listeners to go to the tweet, it's still up. Most of the comments, and I would say a ratio of like 9 to 1, are ripping on LeBron for wasting time tweeting about you after he just cost somebody an all star spot the day before. And the theory that has been going around the office too, and our guy Dan Beyer came up with it, and I think he's right. LeBron was just on his private jet on the way home.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And you have on Twitter you have. For you and you have. Following. He was on his. For you. And this tweet just comes up from College Basketball News or whatever it is with your record, and it's. I think he just did an impulse tweet.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And there are 23 laughing emojis and five kaka emojis, just to be precise.
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Dan Aykroyd
Do you.
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Doug Gottlieb
A kaka.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I went kaka instead of turd.
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Doug Gottlieb
For the.
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Colin Cowherd
For the herd Audience, you could have.
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Doug Gottlieb
Got number two as well. Or, or, or poo could then Poo. Do we do, do we say the word poo anymore? We just say poo. When we were kids, you go poo.
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Colin Cowherd
If not, we'll clean it up and edit.
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Doug Gottlieb
We would clean that up and edit to make it sound hipper for the kids. What's. I don't know. The interesting part to me is like, I don't care that he missed the All Star game.
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Alec Baldwin
I.
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Doug Gottlieb
My guess is the reason he didn't bail in the All Star game, you know, before was the league probably told him like, hey, dude, act like you're gonna play. And then, you know, and then last second, we'll have you not, not play. If we announce that you're not playing, that could hurt the numbers. Let's not do that. I would get, I would guess that that was a, a league mandated thing more than anything else because there's been lots of speculation about, hey, why don't you just like, why didn't they grab Lamelo ball and throw him in that game? Lamello would have loved to been an All Star. My guess is that they wanted LeBron to go through all the pomp, all the circumstance, pretend like he was playing, be there, because had he not been in the game, LeBron probably been like, I'm out. I'm taking my private jet and I'm going somewhere nice. They're like, yeah, we can't do that. Which kind of circles us back to who's the next face of the league. But I, I find the whole thing to be just fascinating. That's that somebody who, like, why does he care? But apparently cares. Cares enough. Cares enough. But people have asked. I've had lots of people go like, your. And again, this is more bronze sexuals. You could take the heat, but you can't dish it out. Like, what do you want me to dish out? Do you want me to specifically react to a tweet that has no, nothing other than like, our record is what it is. Like, I can't change it. And I don't feel the need to go back and go like, well, you know, I didn't have this guy then. I didn't have this then. And we played a top hundred schedule and we're a, you know, a bottom 250 team. Like, that was dumb. Like, nobody cares. I don't care. They don't care about anything other than either being the most vile people ever or being supportive. There's nothing. There's no in between. There's no gray. So, like, what do you want me to come back as? Ooh, you missed the last two game winning shots like he's LeBron James. Okay, that wasn't. There was no substance to his tweet other than willfully showing the desire to make fun of a team that he's never watched, he's never paid attention to. And he is. That's funny. I don't know. Good for him. That's small guy stuff that. Small guy stuff.
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Trevon Edwards
What's up, everybody? I'm Trevon Edwards, co host of the new podcast Got Greatest of Their Era with Steph Curry. You don't want to miss our first episode that's out now. We went live from All Star Weekend, had special guest appearance by Steph Curry himself. Step talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Dan Aykroyd
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like, you might as well just count that and get back on defense.
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Trevon Edwards
And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Dan Aykroyd
Peja 5 Dirk 4.
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Doug Gottlieb
Peja is elite. Okay, okay.
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Alec Baldwin
I'm mad him.
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Doug Gottlieb
I left him off my list, but.
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Trevon Edwards
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Dan Aykroyd
That's so tough. That's why we tap these conversations.
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Trevon Edwards
Yes, absolutely.
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Dan Aykroyd
Love it.
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Trevon Edwards
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Tomer Cohen
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Doug Gottlieb
We had to go out to farmers.
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Tisha Allen
And convince them it was really damn hard.
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Tomer Cohen
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Dan Aykroyd
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Doug Gottlieb
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Tomer Cohen
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Doug Gottlieb
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Tomer Cohen
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Doug Gottlieb
Listen to Building One on the iHeartRadio app, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts. Doug Gottlieb in for Collin. This is the Herd, FOX Sports Radio iHeartradio app. Welcome, welcome, welcome in. Breaking news in the NBA. The breaking news in the NBA is Victor Wembanyama is going to miss the remainder of the season. Apparently has deep, deep vein thrombosis in his shoulder. Deep vein thrombosis in his shoulder. I don't know what any of that means. It's basically like a blood clot in the shoulder. They believe it's an isolated incident. Why is it important it's isolated? If you have blood clots, then it's very hard to ever play in the NBA because they gotta put you on blood thinner medication and then there's all these steps you gotta go through and then if you come off it, then you can get clots. Obviously we know blood clotting, you know, those things can break loose and can wreak havoc on your entire body. So right now, that is the breaking news.
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Colin Cowherd
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Tomer Cohen
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Trevon Edwards
What's up everybody? I'm Trevon Edwards, co host of the new podcast Got Greatest of their Era with Steph Curry. You don't want to miss our first episode that's out now. We went live from All Star Weekend, had special guest appearance by Steph Curry himself. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters when you have a.
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Dan Aykroyd
Scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like you might as well just count that and get back on defense.
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Trevon Edwards
And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Dan Aykroyd
Peja 5 Dirk 4 Peja is a link.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay, I'm mad him. I left him off my list, but.
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Trevon Edwards
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Dan Aykroyd
That's so tough. That's why we tap these conversations. Love it.
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Trevon Edwards
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Tisha Allen
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Doug Gottlieb
I really just sat myself down at.
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Alec Baldwin
The end of 2022 and I was.
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Doug Gottlieb
Like, look, either we make it or we quit.
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Tisha Allen
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Colin Cowherd
The drinks were flowing, twerking all over the place, vaping.
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Doug Gottlieb
They're shotgunning.
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Tisha Allen
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Doug Gottlieb
Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Second half of the NBA season gets underway tonight. I know we had a makeup game last night, so we do have some NBA stuff to talk about that that's already taken place. Let's, let's welcome in Ryan Hollins, Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst. Of course, he's also a Rockets game analyst and you know, he played 10 years in the NBA after starring at UCLA. Ryan, what, what can we take away from the Lakers giving away a big lead and losing to the Hornets last night at home?
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Alec Baldwin
We know that the, the fixes were not there defensively and the challenges between LeBron and Luca being on the court and I think watching Luka and a couple of those possessions, you know, you've got to ask yourself, is it a matter of health that he can't get down in the defensive stance and keep guys in front? Is that knee bothering him that much? Or is a matter of do I want to guard, do I want to keep guys in front? But you have to have a large level of concern the way that the NBA's played now. You know, Doug, when we played, the guards would fight through screens. Big will show, then you recover. Today's NBA, because of spacing, you're. Every opposing team is going to hunt down the weak Link and whoever you're guarding is going to be in the pick and roll until they get the matchup that they want or shot they want. What's that mean? That means the Lakers are going to have a very long season until they figure out Luka Doncic defensively. So I'm not sure what the schemes are going to be moving down the stretch, but there's a large concern because he's moving around the way that LeBron actually should be at 40 years old.
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Doug Gottlieb
Right. I mean, I, it's interesting you say this because look, I get, I wouldn't have pulled off the trade, but if you watched last night and you're like not in good shape, he doesn't guard anybody and you want me to sign a four year, 350 million dollar contract like, oof, oof. There was, there was a little bit of confirmation over some of the fears in Dallas watching last night. He's. And look, he was still a plus 13. He still had a great, a positive impact during his time in the game. And like, not that plus minus is everything, but they were 13 points better than the Hornets when he was in, but they were just. He didn't guard at all, at all. Ryan.
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Alec Baldwin
Yeah, but, but Doug, again, that's the challenge. And then I think as far as legacy is concerned, LeBron's legacy as a player is pretty much set in stone. I don't know what's more he can do. You know, at the end of the day, he's, he's one of the greatest to ever do that. No one can contest that. But his global legacy, his legacy moving forward, or the legacy of, hey, like LeBron, what have you left to the game is right now what he gave to Anthony Davis and even bigger, what he gives to Luka Doncic. If Luka Doncic ends up being the heir apparent to the throne in the NBA kingdom, they're going to say LeBron James, you either help push that forward or LeBron James, you were a non factor in this equation. So LeBron has now been given as much a stake as he is in it for his own legacy purposes of moving the game forward. You know, and I get it, we throw away, throw LeBron's name around, you know, very loosely. But you know, you're handing those keys to the kingdom to somebody else. That is big. That's why Chris Paul, you know, went down to San Antonio to help out with wimby. That's why a lot of these guys are gravitating to these young stars. I'm sure there's going to be a big name that's going to be right alongside Anthony Edwards, trying to help him get where he needs to go because of his talent level. But for LeBron, you know, this is his responsibility now.
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Doug Gottlieb
Ryan Holland is our guest here on the in the Herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin. Okay, let's. Let's get to the Warriors. You know, now, you know, Jimmy Butler, they're gonna. We're Draymond Green. We're gonna win it. How? What does that trade do to the warriors in the playoffs, in your opinion, Ryan?
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Alec Baldwin
I mean, it's dangerous. I wouldn't want to see him in the first round. You know, I'd be lying to you if I said, you know, looking at Oklahoma City, told you that was championship contention. But we got to see him before the break. And Doug, Jimmy didn't even know the plays yet. But, you know, with him on the floor with Steph, it's dangerous because their games really complement each other. And if we're going to be the. We're going to nitpick Steph Curry at this moment, let's nitpick him in moments when the defense gets tight because of his size, it's hard for him to get to the foul line or get his shot off in moments. That's what Jimmy Butler does. So you may see a lot of 13 screen flip actions and courage drew up a couple dots, you know, with Jimmy Butler, because you gotta follow Curry, and now you get Jimmy Butler with a smaller guy that he can go one on one against, you know, and then obviously they improved defensively, and I think they were deep enough to be able to lose Kyle Anderson and Wiggins, even though those are two great players. But this was. This was a deep enough team where Gary Payton, the second, can step in. And there's a number of other guys of Moses Moody's who played, you know, extremely well. And, you know, imagine what they're going to look like even when Jonathan Kaminga gets back.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay, so if it's not the Lakers, if it's not the warriors, like Houston's obviously had a turnaround season. The Thunder have been awesome. Last year in the regular season, this year in the regular season. But last year they lost to Dallas. Are the Thunder there yet? I guess is the big question.
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Alec Baldwin
They're there. They're there. Doug, when you play them this season, when we were able to see them, there was a. They picked up where they left off from last year. And you remember, if we're going to liken this to football. Remember Peyton Manning? And I'm not, you know, saying, I'm not trying to throw a shot. Remember Peyton Manning. Everybody was like, man, he's playing playoff football in the middle of the year. Like, they stepped into this year playing playoff basketball. They, even with the small lineup, they were making some of the most detailed defensive adjustments on the fly that I've seen from a team, you know, and, and the big compliment is when you can implement different strategies for different guys. They would shift their defense one way for Fred VanVleet driving, and then they shift a whole nother way for Jalen Green. And their guys were picking up the IQ of hey, let's take away what the player does best. And when we beat him at home, it literally took 30 plus points from Fred and a half court heave to do it. But they said, Fred Mad Leeds going to beat us scoring the basketball. But the adjustments that they were able to make on the fly or were nothing short of impressive. And then Shay is unbelievable. They have a guy like, you know, like, they have a guy like their sound, things are rolling. When Chet comes back, there's a different dimension. And they have a guy. Shea Gilder Salexander is a guy.
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Doug Gottlieb
He's a dude. There's no question. He's a dude. Wemby shuts. They shut Wemby down for. For deep vein thrombo, thrombosis in his shoulder. What does this do to your outlook for. For Wemby? Right? It is. It is one of those guys that we've all like again, as fans. We look at him, we're like, well, he's going to break in half at some point and that's going to be that. He didn't break it half, but he got a blood clot in his shoulder. What, what does this do to his trajectory?
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Alec Baldwin
Well, my concerns at a 10 to 10, I'm sure San Antonio is worried that they're shutting them down. The first thought comes to mind. I'm no medical expert, Doug, but I don't think you take that lightly. Chris Bosh didn't play again, you know, so hopefully they're catching this thing early. They're playing it safe again. I don't know enough about a blood clot, but for a guy that young to be missing games, the concern was there earlier. We talked about Luka Doncic, right? And we're saying you're 25 years old. The knee has not gone away. It's lingering. And if you watch the clip, he's standing like a scarecrow on defense, you're concerned. Is that what major health issue there is that? Because is it like I said, is it that you don't want to get down or is there a health issue? But back to Wimby, for him to be missing games, it's a concern. And he's a generational talent. He could break every record that the NBA has standing if he can stay, be healthy. You think about Yao Ming and his greatness. And for Yao Ming, you know, his foot broken foot ended up taking him out. So, you know, we have these giants in the game and sometimes we don't see them at their peak. Hey, Doug, if we saw our vitus or bonus in his prime, if he came over to the NBA, you know, we got to see the older Arvidus. So I'm praying that we get to see Wimby reach his potential. I hope it's a speedy recovery. But I'd be lying to you if I said that there, there's not a cause for concern. The prayers going out and hopefully, you know, he ends up just being fine. And they caught whatever it was soon enough.
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Doug Gottlieb
Can anybody in the east beat the Celtics in the playoffs?
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Alec Baldwin
It's going to be tough. Dog. When we saw him this year, they just like, they're a well oiled machine. And I think the challenge is when you, when you play them, they really defend like they get after you. And to me, the key in the NBA right now is your depth. Joe Missoula is not scared to go 10 or 12 deep in the game. And the key is rest. You're looking at a lot of these other stars and teams and guys are breaking down left, right. Steph Curry missed a chunk of the season. John Morant missed so much that he wasn't in the game. The Suns hadn't played with their starting lineup or their big three intact. I think it's like, like it's like 10 games they played together, something ridiculous. So, you know, not really, you know, coming together. So I just don't see anybody challenging Boston. And like it's their, it's their role players that get it. You can probably say Tatum and Brown can pound for pound match with anybody. But like their role players, Doug, they are playing confident. Richard. When Pritchard's up for a contract, remember I said they're not going to be able to keep him. Oh, they're going to have to pay that young man. Like he's, he's a, he's a dog. Okay. And they have these young guys coming up in confidence and just playing at an extremely high clip. So. I really like Boston again, Doug.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, who doesn't like watching Peyton Pritchard play? There's. There's a dude that. That is dynamic and fun. Ryan. Great stuff, dude. Look forward to hearing your calls. The Rockets game here the second half of the season and into the playoffs. Appreciate you being our guest as always.
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Alec Baldwin
Anytime Doug is. Stop mixing it up, man. Go. Go ahead and chill out a little bit, Doug.
- [39:33]
Doug Gottlieb
Oh, a little bit, Ryan, I. I had nothing. I was. I was on a plane flying, recruiting. I catch a stray from LeBron. I hadn't talked about LeBron in, like, in a month and a half. What was with your boy? Was your boy on his day off? What's going on there?
- [39:53]
Alec Baldwin
You're in the line. You're in the line of fire, Doug. You must. You must be doing something right, brother. But keep it up, man. And then, well wishes to you, man.
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