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The Herd with Colin Cowherd — "Best of the Week" (May 9, 2026)

Podcast: The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Host: Colin Cowherd
Co-hosts/Guests: David Fisdale, others
Theme: Analysis of NBA playoff stories, player evaluations, and evolving league dynamics.

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Episode Overview

This "Best of the Week" episode features Colin Cowherd's signature blend of incisive, opinionated commentary and in-depth basketball analysis. Cowherd addresses the latest NBA playoffs, scrutinizes key player performances and narratives, and discusses broader issues such as injuries, "flopping," and the league’s future. The episode also features a reflective interview with coach David Fisdale on LeBron James, modern player durability, and coaching insights.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Where Colin Was Right / Wrong (00:36–10:09)

• KD vs. LeBron Comparison

  • Colin maintains he never saw Kevin Durant as LeBron’s equal, stating KD’s career has “always ended strangely,” similar to Aaron Rodgers. He highlights LeBron’s leadership:

    “Nobody's ever been better, in my opinion, than LeBron James at squeezing talent out of teammates.”
    ([02:05])

• Celtics' Playoff Flaws

  • Colin admits he was wrong about Boston’s reliance on three-point shooting, noting their playoff collapse when shots stopped falling and Embiid dominated.

• Sean McVay and Rams Draft Narrative

  • Contradicts reports of McVay's unhappiness with the Ty Simpson pick, stressing McVay is never “left in the dark” with Rams decisions.

• Knicks and NBA ‘Good, Not Great’ Teams

  • While previously down on the Knicks, Colin credits their resilience against Atlanta, conceding,

    “But they won the final three games against Atlanta by 32 points. Mike Brown did a great job coaching, pulling the right levers. And I was wrong.”
    ([05:56])

• Critique of Luka Dončić’s Durability

  • Compares Luka to Anthony Davis regarding health, arguing LeBron has been more durable at 41 than Luka in his prime.

• Joel Embiid’s Impact

  • Colin acknowledges he underestimated Embiid, praising his playoff performances, but questioning Boston’s ability to counter his athleticism.

• Dallas Cowboys’ Micah Parsons Trade

  • Dismisses the “disaster” narrative, noting Dallas has become deeper and more versatile post-trade.

• Malik Willis’ Poor First Pitch

  • Humorously remarks on Willis’ pitch:

    “I am deeply concerned. This rivals Fitty Cent for the worst first pitch of all time... The over/under just plummeted in Vegas.”
    ([09:10])

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2. Austin Reaves as the Lakers' Key Question (12:56–19:09)

• Reaves' Playoff Limitations

  • Cowherd offers a critical, data-driven analysis of Austin Reaves:

    “He is a number four on a championship team, a number three on a decent playoff team, but he gets hunted defensively.”
    ([13:50])

• Injury Concerns and Physical Limitations

  • Undrafted status = less elite physical traits → more injury-prone.

    “He doesn't have big dominant physical traits... Part of being a first round pick or a number one pick is the body, the traits, the size, the durability.”
    ([15:30])

• Cap Questions

  • Raises alarm about Reaves’ looming contract:

    “Austin Reeves is eligible to sign a five year, $241 million deal. Cap hit would go from 14 million to 48 million… Is that a $48 million player?”
    ([17:17])

• LeBron’s Longevity

  • Compares Reaves' and LeBron’s value, noting how LeBron’s body has enabled longevity.

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3. NBA Flopping Crisis & SGA Analysis (19:30–25:42)

• Flopping’s Impact on the League

  • Cowherd critiques Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s (SGA) reliance on flopping:

    “It’s just bad sports… SGA has shot 425 more free throws over the last two years than the number two… it’s just become too much.”
    ([21:03])

  • Cites changes in MLB and NFL as precedents for fixing “bad sports.”

• Notable Quotes

  • On SGA:

    “Watching him flop during an NBA game is like... inserting one of those life alert commercials—‘I’ve fallen and I can’t get up’—into Cirque du Soleil.”
    ([20:28])

  • Brings in Donovan Mitchell’s post-game comments about not flopping:

    "I don't know why I don't flop. Maybe that's why this isn't just a tonight thing."
    ([22:35])

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4. Extended Austin Reaves Debate (25:42–28:55)

• Co-host Pushback

  • The co-host defends Reaves, suggesting if he’s “85% of Kyrie” as Luka’s Dallas running mate, Lakers will be “just fine”—if Reaves can stay healthy.
  • Colin counters,

    “I don't believe historically we're going to view Austin Reeves as 85% of Kyrie Irving… The Lakers win titles. They don’t care about going to the finals.”
    ([26:13–26:40])

• Debate on “Getting to the Finals” vs. Winning Titles

  • Colin stresses the Lakers (and teams like Ohio State football or Duke basketball) measure success only by winning, not simply reaching the finals.

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5. Interview with David Fisdale: Embiid, Knicks, and League Trends (31:20–50:10)

• Should Philly Move on from Embiid? (32:56)

  • Fisdale acknowledges Embiid’s unique skillset, but admits:

    “It’s just unfortunate that his body keeps going through this... If this continues throughout the rest of the series and they don't win, they need to at least start having some conversations about... moving on and trading him for some serious assets.”
    ([33:37])

• Knicks’ Success Attributed to Stability (35:03)

  • Colin posits Knicks success ties to less owner meddling. Fisdale agrees stability and "small tweaks" are the path forward:

    “They have really done a great job of really establishing a winning culture there. Getting Jalen Brunson was the key to the whole deal. I mean, this guy, he is must see TV. His competitive spirit is unbelievable.”
    ([36:08])

  • On Brunson:

    “He’s participating in his own rescue… He’s not a big dude, but he gets it done.”
    ([37:08])

• On NBA Flopping (37:43)

  • Fisdale places responsibility on refs:

    “If you can’t see acting from reality, that’s on you… The refs are the closest ones to it. They know he has a reputation for falling around—don’t call all that crap. Tell him to get up.”
    ([39:10])

• NBA Schedule & Injuries (41:35–45:10)

  • Colin highlights increased possessions and injury rates; Fisdale supports shortening the season:

    “I would love it to see them drop the number of games. And I do think it will raise participation and urgency.”
    ([43:55])

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6. LeBron James: The Ultimate Pro (46:00–50:10)

• LeBron’s Unmatched Durability and Work Ethic
  • Fisdale recounts seeing LeBron as a ninth grader:

    “He already had... his understanding of how to play, how to manipulate the game…was already intact. So I was looking at him like an athletic Magic Johnson.”
    ([46:07])

  • On LeBron as a pro:

    “His dedication to the craft is second to none. The time he puts into his craft, I have never seen... LeBron James's body of work in a day—unmatched.”
    ([47:54])

  • Story: LeBron would bike to practice at 6am, work out for an hour, practice, lift, rehab, then be home to see his kids after school:

    “He took his gifts... and maximized them and squeezed them out of his—like every bit of it out of him.”
    ([48:40])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Colin on KD vs. LeBron:

  “The gap between KD and LeBron was never more... LeBron took basically C plus and B minus level players … and dominated the series. And KD, according to the net rating, the Rockets were better without him.” ([02:10])

• On Austin Reaves' Value:

  “Is that a $48 million player? Go look at the Celtics and Derrick White. Austin Reaves, he took the hit. He said nobody cares about the injury because...they got just a decent game from him…” ([17:13])

• On SGA and flopping:

  “Watching him flop during an NBA game is like... inserting one of those life alert commercials—‘I’ve fallen and I can’t get up’—into Cirque du Soleil.” ([20:28])

• David Fisdale on LeBron:

  “His dedication to the craft is second to none…LeBron James's body of work in a day—unmatched.” ([47:54])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Where Colin Was Right/Wrong: 00:36–10:09
• Austin Reaves Analysis: 12:56–19:09
• SGA Flopping & League Critique: 19:30–25:42
• Reaves Debate (Cowherd & Co-host): 25:42–28:55
• David Fisdale Interview: 31:20–50:10
  • On Embiid and Sixers: 32:56
  • Knicks building and Jalen Brunson: 36:00
  • Flopping/Ref responsibility: 37:43
  • Schedule & Injuries: 41:35
  • On LeBron James: 46:00

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Conclusion

This episode of The Herd delivers classic Colin Cowherd: challenging NBA narratives, weighing the true value of stars (and pseudo-stars), and exploring modern league trends with candor and humor. The interview with David Fisdale adds rich anecdotes and coaching insight—especially on LeBron James' legendary work ethic and the importance of stability in NBA franchises. The commentary on flopping and injuries spotlights current challenges for the NBA and suggests possible solutions rooted in both cultural and structural change.

Takeaway:
If you care about why some players (and franchises) win and last—and why others don’t—this week’s episode provides context, tough questions, and memorable stories to fuel the basketball conversation.

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Matt Hasselbeck in a couple of minutes. Well, we do it every Monday. Top of the second hour. Where Colin was ripe, where Colin was wrong. There's a lot of both this week. And here we go. Where Colin was right. I never bought into the KD. Is everybody as good as LeBron? There it is. For years. And I think this series, it's what I've always said about kd. He's Aaron Rodgers, it always ends strangely. And their hall of Fame talents. But the gap between KD and LeBron was never more. Not just because LeBron was available, he's been a healthier player. But LeBron took basically C plus and B minus level players, no Luka, and little bits and pieces of Austin Reeves and dominated the series. And kd, according to the net rating, the Rockets were better without him. That is the gap between the two. It's not just getting a bucket. How do you squeeze talent out of your teammates? Nobody's ever been better, in my opinion, than LeBron James. Where Colin was wrong. Well, the Celtics, the first team to have three different starters not even score in a playoff game. And they've only been tracking that since 1970. So it was pretty bad. Listen, the reality is, once Tatum got hobbled and even before they couldn't stop Embiid, they're so addicted, almost paralyzed by their formula to shoot threes. They shot 100 more threes than Philadelphia and 50 more than any other playoff team. And like, I get analytics, but when you trail by a point with 350 to go and you're not getting baskets, you're jacking up bad threes and you go over seven, I didn't see that coming. Where Colin was right. Sean McVay did support the Ty Simpson pick after a couple of days of digging and reporting. Yes, he knew and had interviewed Ty Simpson for hours previously. This idea that Sean McVay was left in the dark and was perturbed and angry by the pick. Sean McVay is never left in the dark with anything with the Los Angeles Rams. And because they used their other first round pick to solve their real issue, which isn't receiver, it was Corner with Trent McDuffie. They felt this draft was going to be about the future. I never bought into McVeigh's angry. He had no idea what was coming or strongly, vehemently accepted it. Where Colin was wrong, well, the New York Knicks, at least for the final two games in the Hawk series, were great. I've said all year there's too many Deficient deficiencies on offense, a defense, excuse me, not enough bench scoring. They're a good team. I don't think the NBA has a great team right now, although Oklahoma City has an argument. I think the league's got good to very good teams and I consider the Knicks to be a good team. But you can attack Brunson defensively, you can attack Cat defensively, but yet you need Cat on the floor. But they won the final three games against Atlanta by 32 points. Mike Brown did a great job coaching, pulling the right levers. And I was wrong where Colin was right. I've said this about Luca, this idea that Luca was perfect. Once again, not available. I know he's a great offensive player, but he and AD have a lot more in common. And everybody picked apart Anthony Davis. And I said Anthony Davis was the best defensive player in the league pre Wimy. He wasn't totally committed to being in shape. And this is the Luka issue. I mean, I'm sorry, but LeBron at 41 has been healthier the last two years than Luka. I don't think it's a coincidence where Colin was wrong. Listen, Embiid has never been my favorite, mostly because he's never available. But he was unbelievable in this series. Best player on the floor, 28, nine rebounds, seven assists in the four games in which he played. You know, the durability issues are a real thing. But his comp was Shaq. And you could see Boston. That's why they have to go out and get like an Aaron Gordon. They've got to have some athletic length. They've got to have some answers because right now Boston doesn't. With Joel Embiid, where Colin was right. Well, there's a story that Aaron Rodgers is interested in Arizona, which I actually think with Nat Hackett there and those offensive weapons is really interesting to me. But I've said that with Aaron is that if you sign him, he is going to gain some power off indifference. He does not like what he perceives as rigid authority and he is going to test you. So they came out with that kind of quirky tender in Pittsburgh and Aarons answered it. You know, this story leaked because somebody wanted it leaked in the Aaron Rodgers camp. Now he's interested in Arizona where Colin was right when Micah Parsons got dealt, I, I thought everybody overreacted. I said rich dealmakers like flexibility and Jerry Jones doesn't have any right now, a year after the Micah Parsons trade, Dallas is going to be deeper, more athletic, more flexible, better against the run. And I like him. But the overreaction. This is not the NBA. Very few players outside of a quarterback or a Saquon Barkley are worth more than a point. And Micah's great, but he's not great against the run. You can't drop him into coverage now. He's coming off an injury. Dallas today is deeper, more versatile, more flexible. It was. I'm not saying it's a great trade, but it wasn't the disaster that everybody claimed where Colin was wrong. I love Malik Willis. I think he's going to be a big winner. But he threw it a first pitch at a Marlins game and I am deeply concerned. This rivals Fitty scent for the worst first pitch of all time. I had the Dolphins at 5 wins. I am downgrading them to none. This is troubling Malik Willis. Now, I've been told that Michael Jordan had an awful first pitch and so did Mahomes. I don't know what I'm watching. I've done three of them, maybe four, and they didn't look like that. The over under just plummeted in Vegas. One more herd. 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[Colin Cowherd]

3 for 16 and awful last night. Nobody cares about the injury. Ant was great coming off an extended knee. Hyperextended knee. Game one embiid his appendix burst. He's been great. Cade Cunningham had a Collapsed lung. Missed 11 games. Cade Cunningham Nobody cares. He's great. Austin Reeves last night was dreadful. Over 10 on uncontested shots. Nobody's done that in this league since Draymond Green three years ago. I understand his popularity. He's Undrafted, the headband, he's scrappy. He gets a little bit better every year. Seems like a great kid. He was awful. And here's what happens. You see his limitations. So when a team picks on you, they're not doing it in the abstract. They have watched film on you. Last year, the T Wolves, Chris Finch and a great staff watched film on Austin Reeves and attacked him. He was bad. OKC watched film on Austin Reaves, saw him as a weakness and attacked him, put ball pressure, multiple, multiple turnovers. And you saw this with Derrick White of the Celtics. Everybody's like, derrick White had a down year knowing Derrick white was a 5 or a 4. The Celtics were a championship team this year because the Tatum injury and they moved off Porzingis and other players. There were nights he was a two, he was often the third. And then you see the ceiling with Derrick White, who's a good player. Austin Reaves a good player. But when you ask the number three starter in baseball to be your ace and go toe to toe with, you know, Garrett Cole, he's not. And that's my take on Austin Reaves in his playoff career. That's the best coaches, best teams. He gives you 16, 4 and 4, shoots about 42, 43%. That's fine, but it's not special. He is a number four on a championship team, a number three on a decent playoff team, but he gets hunted defensively. And both Minnesota last year and Oklahoma City last night, they look at film, they scout and they attack him and they put ball pressure on him and they're making sure switches. You're, they want Austin Reaves guarding one of their guys and that's the reality of it. Ant embiid Cade Cunningham, Austin's oblique injury, nobody cares. So far in the playoffs, the Lakers are better with Austin Reaves not on the floor. I know the oblique injury. And also here's something else to think about. In back to back seasons he's been injured, right? In the playoffs, he, he, he's in the playoffs. He's not 100%. Why? Because he has an undrafted athlete's body. He doesn't have big dominant physical traits. Caleb Williams goes number one to the Bears. He's never hurt. LeBron's a number one pick. He's never hurt. Part of being a first round picker, a number one pick is the body, the traits, the size, the durability. I mean, Big Ben didn't get hurt until the end. Eli Manning, you know, John Elway's, Dan Marino's bigger, stronger athletes. So he's banged up. I've said this about Brock Purdy. He's a smaller guy, gets hurt more. Caleb Williams gets hammered. He's never hurt. That's part of being like a number one pick. So, you know, the big issue we're all talking about with the Lakers next year is, hey, LeBron's got to take a pay cut. And here's my question is the bigger issue is Austin Reaves worth $38 million a cap hit? Because his cap hit now is going to triple. And he's not a one and he's not a two. The question is, are you a championship team? If he is a three, and I don't think you are, I think you could win a playoff series or two. But. But it's. I'm not picking on Austin Reeves. I get his popularity. I like him as a player. But folks, regular season basketball is not playoff basketball. Are you noticing what's happening in the playoffs? Embiid Ant Wimby. Chet Holmgren's great. Why your best players rise above schemes. Your more fraudulent players get picked on. So for all the criticism Cat gets in the playoffs, Cat now is a pretty good player. Well, Cat has always been a really good player. Flaky, silly fouls can drive you nuts. He's a big time talent. So Austin Reeves is eligible to sign a five year, $241 million deal. Cap hit would go from 14 million to 48 million. You think he's a $48 million player? I know the headband. Undrafted scrappy, gets better every year. Let me ask you, is that a $48 million player? Go look at the Celtics and Derrick White. I'm, I'm not, I'm not being mean here. Austin Reeves, he took the hit. He said nobody cares about the injury because I thought the Lakers had. They gotten just a decent game from him. Did a real basketball game. I mean, the Lakers, I don't think they're a very good defensive team, but they're playing their butts off. I mean, they are playing their butts off. LeBron's playing real defense. Here's J.J. redick after. You can make mistakes. There's a. Basketball is a game full of mistakes. There's just too many tonight. We got to clean that up. But, you know, there were some, some good things. We won, expected score, you know, held Shea under 20. He ended up with seven turnovers. The guys played hard. We just got to do a better job with execution. It comes down to just the attention to detail on that. And I know we'll we'll clean things up. And Austin Reeves is 28. Next month, five year deal. He'd be 33. Be an old 33 and you're paying him 48 large. Just things to think about. We're all, we're all saying LeBron's got

[David Fisdale]

to take a pay cut.

[Colin Cowherd]

I mean, this is outrageous. I don't know. LeBron's really healthy. LeBron's got that number one pick body. I mean, he's playing his butt off. I mean, think about this. LeBron James is 41 years old. He outscored SGA, the reigning MVP had fewer turnovers than the reigning MVP. SGA at better shooting percentage. LeBron James than the reigning MVP. And all of us, myself included, are like, he needs to take a pay cut. I think what I'm more scared about is Austin reaves tripling three and a half times his cap hit. That's what worries me. Those are tough decisions. Lakers deserve credit for getting him and Austin deserves credit for being a very, very good pro. He's a good pro. He should be proud. Parents have raised a great kid. He gets better every year. He has maximized his talent. There's nothing wrong with him. But you know, we talk about this now. Can't make trades in the NBA. It's brutal. Aprons, caps, like cap hit matters. You start costing 38. 43. 48. I gotta think about everything. Are you, are you a regular season guy? Are you gonna be healthy at the end? I gotta think about everything. Okay, so I want to talk about the flopping. First of all, SGA is a really good player. He's a fluid athlete. One of the best mid range jumpers of all time. He's got tight handles. He's a great player. He's an all star player. But because the flopping is allowed and it's really bad sports, we all know that, right? And what bothers me is it's become a central point of the playoffs and a central part of his game. If you do it once a game, I'm okay with it. It's become like the central point of his game. And the NBA is the sport with the most creative artistic athletes, right? And this is like acting versus AI acting. It's just not as authentic. Watching him flop during an NBA game is like to some degree, it's like inserting one of those life alert commercials. I've fallen and I can't get up into Cirque du Soleil. It's like kind of tears at the fabric of the creativity of the NBA and the NBA has always been the sport since I was a kid in the 70s. Dr. J, like magic, David Thompson, Michael Jordan. It's our most athletic sport. It's our most creative sport. One of the reasons I don't like all the three point shots, it reduces athleticism. I don't want ant shooting 15 threes, I want them dunking in people's face. And I like sg. I think he's a, I think he's a great player. Fluid, good handles, moves well, athletic, although not terribly vertical. But it's just bad sports. And I do think the NBA, if they win back to back titles, will step in and change it. NFL changed the catch rule, changed the pat. Major League Baseball took away the defensive shift. I don't think it's good television. I don't think it's good sports. And again, just to give you some sense of how outrageous it's become, SGA has shot 425 more free throws over the last two years. The number two, like it's just become too much of a central part of his game. And Donovan Mitchell in another series is not getting the calls. And everybody's talking about it. Listen to what Donovan Mitchell says about flopping. The free throw disparity is not why we lost tonight. I want to make sure I say that. But I'm trying to get downhill and a friend of mine got fined for talking about flop. So I'm not gonna try to double down. But I mean like I feel like that's what I gotta do at this point. I'm just not getting the calls. I don't know why I don't flop. Maybe that's why this isn't just a tonight thing. So the NBA used to have a slogan where amazing happens. Nothing amazing happens at the free throw line. So when it become again if, if SGA had 13 free throws more than the next guy, maybe even 23, but if you got 425 more, I mean look at this one right there, that, that's an absolutely awful call against the Lakers. And it's just bad sports. It's like when we used to watch the NFL and the guy make a great catch and they're like, well it kind of wiggled by his elbow, no catch. NFL's like, it's bad TV, it's bad sports. Defensive shift, Bryce Harper hits a bolt and the second baseman standing in right field catches it. That's bad sports. I want to see Bryce Harper when he rips a ball, I want to see it, it drop unless he it's it. You Know, I. I don't want to see clean hits of a 96 mile an hour slitty get caught by a second baseman standing in, right? So I think the NBA, and they've done. They've done this before. Hack a shack hand check. I mean, they've done this multiple times to elevate the quality of the overall product and the television product, they've tweaked it. I think we're getting to that point. So. J. Mac, listen, I know you love Austin Reeves. I know you do. And I'm not trying to pick on him because he had a bad night, but it does. You know, here's the reality. Outside of baseball, salaries matter a lot. I mean, in baseball, you can defer him if you want, which is crazy, but you can. And that's the thing with Austin Reeves. Three and a half times the cap hit. So again, he's going to be paid like a two and he's closer to a three or a four. And this is. Boston felt this with Derrick White this year because the Tatum injury, there were nights he had to be a two. Well, Jaylen Brown's like a great two or a good one. Jaylen Brown would be the best three in the league by a mile. Derrick White's a four on a great team. That one, great Celtics team, he was almost a five. But now you. You elevate him, you know, to the number two starter in the rotation and you're like, well, Derek White wasn't as good this year. He's being guarded by better players. He has to guard better players. You're elevating to a spot he's not really is suited for. So, I mean it. A $48 million cap hit would be bigger right now than Kate Cunningham and Ant.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

Okay, all right, let's settle down. Bashing Austin Reeves off one game when he is barely removed from an oblique injury that kept him out for a month ago. We got three years of data, bro, on Austin Reeds that he's a really good player. And honestly, the blueprint is there for Luca. He took the maps to the finals with Kyrie Irving as his wingman. If you can get 85% of Kyrie Irving from Austin Reeves, I think you're going to be just fine. Now the question is, can Reeves stay healthy? Remember, Kyrie Irving Also had many issues with injuries. Little frail.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't believe historically we're going to view Austin Reeves as 85% of Kyrie Irving. Kyrie Irving.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

Kyrie Irving. But Dallas, Kyrie Irving.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, yeah, but prime Kyrie Irving won a title.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

He was spectacular. I'm just talking about the Dallas one who was a wingman to Luca. I need you to create a little bit.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, but they. That. That wasn't prime. Kyrie. And he was multiple injured Kyrie. And they didn't win a title. The Lakers win titles. They don't care about going to the finals.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

You got to get there to win it, though. I mean, Lakers are barely getting out of the first round now. You got to put the other pieces around.

[Colin Cowherd]

Is not 60% really prime. Kyrie. Kyrie Irving in his prime is the greatest small ambidextrous finisher in the history of the league. Go back to the Celtics teams, definitely. There's never been a finisher both hands that size in the history of the sport of Kyrie Irving.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

But that's the thing. He wasn't prime in Dallas when they went to the finals. He was just good.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, you're really into this. Went to the Finals. Well, you got to catch finals, win one team win. Why is Michael Jordan considered the greatest player? 6 for 6 in the finals. Magic went to 30% more, but he lost a third of them going to the finals. Didn't the Pacers just get to the finals? What does it mean? Does it mean anything?

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

You have to finish a trip to the finals.

[Colin Cowherd]

Rick Smith's got to a Finals. Nobody cares. They don't care about your oblique injury. They don't care that you got to the finals. Los Angeles. When it comes to baseball and it comes to the Lakers, there are certain things like Ohio State football. We played in a natty. Who cares? You didn't win. Ohio State is one of the Duke doesn't brag about. You know, we got to the final four. Duke brags if they win. I mean, that's what the Lakers are. Their standard is. I mean, Austin Reeves is a top 10 jersey seller. What team's third best player is a top 10 jersey seller?

[David Fisdale]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

And for the record, Kyrie. Kyrie was a number one overall pick.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

So let's not get our. There's about a seven to eight year period that Kyrie was. I mean, honestly, after Stefan Lebron was as good a player and watch as the league had. The whole sport had.

[Co-host or Guest Analyst]

Yeah. And he needed LeBron to get to the playoffs. And when he could do nothing by himself. Austin reeves is a one. No shot as a two. I'm buying that. Remember, 15 and two in March, Colin with Austin Reeves as the two. LeBron ceding to the three.

[David Fisdale]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[David Fisdale]

I think you do have to have it because it was just so in and out all year. And if you look at what Maxey and Edgecomb and those guys did without him to hold it down, even without Paul George as well, those guys held it down and they play with a certain tenacity and a certain speed. They have their own identity when they don't have Embiid out there now. And B, being out there for the playoffs, you need him like he's for this team right now. He's everything. Because when the game slows down, you're posting them. When you need a pick and pop, jump shot or a trail three, he's knocking that down. He's one of the few bigs in the league that covers all three ranges and does it well. And so, you know, it's just unfortunate that his body keeps going through this. And personally, I do think if this is how it continues throughout the rest of the Series, and they don't win this series, they do need to at least start having some conversations about the potential of not having a Joel Embiid and maybe having to move on and trading him for some serious assets.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, his guaranteed extension, 192 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed kicks in next year. So it becomes very punitive. For years and years, I had this theory, I think I'm right, is that a lot of owners, I miss a lot. But David, James Dolan, and there's a lot of owners like this, they own the team, they can meddle. But when he was building the sphere in Vegas, he was distracted for about two years. I mean, and it's an unbelievable sphere, is one of the great global creations in music. It may be the greatest global creation since the Beatles. And for two years, James Dolan, who's a musician, really, he is a musician who owns. He is. He was doing the sphere. And the Knicks let their guys run basketball. And you watch them build a hell of a team. It's like the owner's not there breathing down their.

[David Fisdale]

I would have liked to close that team.

[Colin Cowherd]

And so as I watch this Knicks team, I'm like, you know, we could tweak it, but they may end up in the finals. And part of why the Knicks are succeeding, they made a great deal on og, but you can argue they should just bring the band back because they. Offensively, they're excellent. They're flawed. Their bench isn't. Isn't as good as you'd like. The Sixers have no bench. But my take is, when the Knicks were in disarray for 20 years, it was because they never stopped meddling and trying to fix it and taking ridiculous swings. And could I argue, even if they don't win the finals, keep Mike Brown, keep the band back. It's too good to break up.

[David Fisdale]

Yeah, I think that's a great argument. In a league that's hard to build champions anyway. And you're knocking on the door, like, again, if you do anything, it's tweaks, like, small tweaks, you know, I think, you know, if they could find a talented young guy to mix in with those guys, I think that would be great. You know, some more size at the wing, that would always be great. Or a big point guard that could play behind Jalen Brunson or play next to Jalen Brunson, you know, those are just tweaks. But what they've done, what Leon Rose has done, what World Wide west has done, it should be commended. They've continuously put this team in a position to be successful. I thought Tibbs did an amazing job, you know, that was. Just ran his course, I guess. But you can't say Tibbs did not put that team in a position to win. In fact, the criticism on Tibbs was that he played his best players too much. Yeah, that's. If that's what I'm going down for, then, you know, so be right, you know, and so they have really done a great job of really establishing a winning culture there. Getting Jalen Brunson was the key to the whole deal. I mean, this guy, he is must see tv. His competitive spirit is unbelievable. He's unflappable. My big question about the Knicks was, can they protect him and Cat defensively? And he's participating in his own rescue. This guy's out there competing defensively. He's not waiting for people to help him. He's out there trying to make an impact himself. And it's really just a marvel to watch because he's not a big dude, he's not the fastest guy, but he gets it done. And I think Knicks fans can truly relate to a guy like that and connect to him. And he's going to take them as far. I mean, they're going to go as far as he can take them. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay, so let's talk about the flopping. So listen, my entire life, I've seen it in international soccer, and I've seen it in the NBA. I'm okay with it. But when it becomes a central part of your game, that's when commissioners step in and make rule changes. It's like in baseball, it's like, guys, the game now is like three minutes and 10, you know, three hours and 10 minutes. We got to get it to 240. They do the pitch clock, and the audience, the consumers, respond. It's a faster game. All sports are better when they're. When they're efficient. And I look at the flopping, and I'm like, I understand it. It's manipulation, smart, veteran players. It does feel like with sga, like with Harden, they literally, they said, we're not going to let you do that. It does feel like sga. It is now such a central part of his game. It's crossed some Rubicon. It's crossed some line where I could see Adam going, we got to tweak it. It's not good tv. Or are you still comfortable with it?

[David Fisdale]

Look, at some point, the onus has got to be on the refs. Like, if you can't see acting from reality, that's on you. Like, we gotta get people that can spot it. Like, you know, this guy has a reputation for that. So why are you, you know, feeding it by calling these fouls? Right? It was the same thing I used to say to him. Well, James, I got a text in the garden by one of the lady officials. I remember because I said, at some point, you have to learn how to ref James Harden. And boom, she hit me. She stuck. Oh, she stung me. But it's the truth. Like, at some point, the referees have that. These guys. It's like dealing with a guy that's a bully or a guy that, you know, that's always out there taking hard fouls or, you know, you have to. The refs at some point have to take onus on controlling that because they are the ones in the game that actually have the whistle. And so will the commissioner step in? I don't think his. What we call his flops. That's gonna be tough to police from a rule standpoint because he gets people into uncomfortable positions and disadvantaged positions. And so he then takes advantage of it by putting his body into him a certain way and then reacting a certain way. And so the way he's doing it, I don't know, because, man, he's so good at it. And, you know, other people in the league did what James did. James was the best at it, right? But you could see all of the people in the league bringing the ball up through the shooting hand, through the hand that's out the dig hand, and drawing that foul and, you know, always popping the ball out when guys are in the corner, reaching all of those different things. More guys were doing that, so it was easier to police for the league. But what SGA is doing is tough because, you know, it looks like he's getting contact on a lot of these guys. But the reality is the refs are the closest ones to it. They know he has a reputation for falling around. Don't call all that crap. Tell him to get up. And I tell you what, you tell a guy to get up a few times, he's gonna stop doing it. Because him being on the floor. Well, think about it. Him on the floor in a playoff game is a lost possession, right? I remember we played Boston in the playoffs, Ray Allen, every time D. Wade laid on the floor. Cause, you know, D. Wade was a floor. He always hit the floor. He was famous for hitting the floor. Every single time he hit the floor, Ray Allen hit a 3, and D. Wade said, all right, I gotta take that out of My game because I want to win. And so if the refs tell sga, no not calling at this time or no get up, he's a winner, he's going to adjust his game to that and start competing a different way.

[Colin Cowherd]

I don't think tanking's as big an issue. I think what happened is next year's draft is awful. This draft is amazing. And you have these back to back, really stark differences. And so GMs are like, Guys, next year's draft is there's not a starter in the draft for us this year. We could find the bulls could get two starters. And so you got like eight or nine teams saying there's like 12 elite players we're going to take. I don't think it's a big issue. Brad Stevens said that yesterday. I don't think next year you're going to see nearly the tanking. The bigger issue though is injuries. And yeah, hockey has 82 games and they're like our stars play. But in hockey your. Your line is in a minute, you're on, you're off, you're on, you're off. These NBA guys are playing 42 minutes and the pace of play is insane. It is so fast.

[David Fisdale]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

And so you go watch a night. I grew up with 70s and 80s basketball. The old Bill Walton Blazers, I grew up, they walked the ball up the floor. They walked it up now until the

[David Fisdale]

Lakers showtime showed up. Nobody was running like that.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's right. Now it's a track meet. So I do think there's an argument that if you cut to 68 games, we all watch the playoffs anyway. That's what I want my stars available in the playoffs. Where are. Because we have an issue. We have an injury epidemic. I don't think players are faking. I think a lot of times guys are getting tweaked.

[David Fisdale]

Soft tissue injuries are everywhere. You know, so.

[Colin Cowherd]

So what do you do with that? So what do you do with that

[David Fisdale]

one? You gotta look at what they're doing in the summer to prepare themselves first. But I think the way they're gonna have to deal with how that affects records and you know, guys that's gotten to play 82 games all of these years, their records are gonna look different than the guys playing, you know, 72 or 68 games. You know, hall of Fame numbers, number of all star appearances, you know, could end up being bigger because over the course of time enough that many games is being added to that guy's career from a season standpoint. Right. So that's where It'll be affected. And if the league can find their way around that, say, hey Astrus, this is where we change. I'm all for it. Because as a coach, man, 82 is a beast. I feel for baseball and I don't want to even act like we got it the hardest, but 82 is a beast. I mean, to the point where you don't know where you are. Sometimes when you wake up, like you wake up in that hotel and you like, are we in Indiana or New Orleans? I go to the wrong room. You know how many times I went to the room that I was in the town before? You know, I was in 9:52 the town before. So I go to 9:50 and I'm knocking on some stranger's door. Cause I'm zonked out over all of these games. And so I would love it to see them drop the number of games. And I do think it will raise participation and urgency. Yes, the urgency to win and get your seating in the playoffs. You don't have that 10 game cushion now. You gotta get off to good starts. Like, you can't have big lulls in the middle of your season. Like a lot of things it affects. And so I think Adam Silver is always looking at ways to make it more competitive. And you look at the end tournament, the tournament in season tournament, and you look at the play in, all of those things have made our league more competitive, more entertaining. So I think if he looks at this and find a way that, that impacts competitiveness, he'll make the change.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, there are 20 more possessions per game than 20 years ago. That, that is, that is a whole different. That's crazy. It's like, it's really remarkable. And then there is some load management for older players and I want to end with this older player, LeBron. I mean, you coached against him. It's, it doesn't, it's like Tom Brady. It doesn't make any sense. He's going to retire not because he can't play. He's going to retire because he's tired of travel or something. When, when was the. I want to. Let's go back to the beginning. And you were in the league for 16, 17 years. When was the first time you got a look at LeBron and did you have a sense like, okay, he's built like a football player, he's a power forward body with guard handles. Did you know instantly when you saw him? Wow.

[David Fisdale]

I saw him in the ninth grade playing for the Oakland Soldiers when I was a young assistant coach. In college recruiting. When I saw him then, I knew he was going to be special. He already had. His handle was excellent. He was obviously a freak athlete, but his understanding of how to play, how to manipulate the game, you know, all of those things was already intact. So I was looking at him like an athletic Magic Johnson, right? And then once he hit the league, I was a young assistant. His rookie year, I was behind the bench with Eric Musselman in Golden State, and it was him, D. Wade, Bosh Melo, that class. And I got to see all of those guys up close. That was my first year coaching in the NBA.

[Colin Cowherd]

Wow.

[David Fisdale]

And this guy came to Golden State and I was like, what in the world? I'm like, if this is the new NBA, this is crazy. You know, it's kind of like the Wemby. It was like how I reacted to Wemby, you know, when I first saw him, I was like, oh, my God. Like, look at this kid. He is 18 years old. Like, it didn't make sense. I couldn't register because Even Kobe looked 18, right? Kevin Garnett looked 18. LeBron's body looked 30. Like he was already a man. And so, you know, watching him go through that process and him growing and then actually getting to coach him for those four years in Miami, you know, and seeing his mental growth and his competitive growth in Miami, suffering, you know, the ultimate suffering when we lost to Dallas and that taking him to what we see now, which is a level.

[Colin Cowherd]

You were in Miami, so you got him. You were around him for four years, weren't you? So you explained what it was like early. When you're around him every day at practice, what's it like?

[David Fisdale]

His dedication to the craft is second to none. The time he puts into his craft, I have never seen. I mean, Kevin Durant is the most relentless worker I've seen on the court in a workout. LeBron James's body of work in a day unmatched. I watched this guy. I would get to the office at 6am I'll give you a perfect day. You're going to love this. I'll pull up into the parking lot. A guy rides in on a speed 10 speed with the black tights and the helmet and glasses. I'm like, who is this guy in our garage? He takes off the helmet is Brian. He's rolled into work on a bike and got all his condition. He rode miles into work, full sweat at 6am so he walks into the building. He's already ready to go on the court. I meet him on the court. We put in a full another hour. Then we practice. Then he lifts, then he does all of this stuff to repair his body. By the time he leaves, his kids are getting out of school. And I have never seen a player do that day after day after day. And so for him to be where he is now, it is no surprise to me. He took his gifts like a lot of guys get gifts. He took those gifts and maximized them and squeezed them out of his, like every bit of it out of him. And you know, for him to be doing this now, we should really be like, as fans, grateful. I know a lot of people always go back and forth because they always put him in the goat conversation. But as fans, just be grateful for, like a guy that's that committed to bringing it every night, to having himself ready and to pushing himself to a championship level. I think it's something to marvel at.

[Colin Cowherd]

Man, you tell great stories. David Fisdale. I remember the last time you were on, I was like, boy, that guy tells good stories and you look good.

[David Fisdale]

I say some stuff.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, you have. I mean, when you see the first Lebron and then you see the ninth grade LeBron and then you coach with and you coached him a couple years in the Lakers as well. So you've seen him everywhere.

[David Fisdale]

Yep, everywhere.

[Colin Cowherd]

It's great seeing you coach. I really is. I always love talking to you.

[David Fisdale]

Same here, my man. You do an unbelievable job. I love watching your show.

[Colin Cowherd]

I appreciate it. David Fisdale, a thinking man's basketball coach. Isn't that great. He saw LeBron in ninth grade and then he's his first year in the NBA. LeBron comes into town. Then he gets to coach LeBron multiple times. And I'm amazed that LeBron's on a bicycle in Miami. Traffic going at 6am in Miami. I've been in Miami traffic in the morning. I go there for super bowl week. I'm afraid for my safety in cars, not on a bike. That's great stories. That was unbelievable.

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