Best of the Week on The Herd

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Podcast Summary: Best of the Week on The Herd

Episode Information:

• Title: Best of the Week on The Herd
• Host: Colin Cowherd
• Release Date: March 22, 2025
• Description: "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" is a thought-provoking, opinionated, and topic-driven journey through the top sports stories of the day.

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1. Introduction and Guest Appearance

Timestamp: [50:48] – [50:48]

Colin Cowherd welcomes his guest, Tom Izzo, a seasoned sports professional discussing various aspects of sports, including team dynamics, player performance, and career insights.

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2. Team Dynamics and Performance Analysis

Timestamp: [05:15] – [10:45]

Colin and Tom delve into the strategies that make Michigan State a formidable team. Tom emphasizes the importance of team connection and defensive prowess:

Tom Izzo: "We're playing nine, ten guys where we do rebound pretty well. We actually score it pretty well. We shoot free throws well. And yes, you are correct, you did your scouting report not shoot the three very well. But the last two, three weeks have been moving up drastically from the three."
[06:30]

They discuss the adaptability required in modern sports, contrasting with peers like Jay Wright and Nick Saban who have opted for different pathways. Tom attributes Michigan State's sustained success to focusing on fundamentals and fostering player development:

Tom Izzo: "I'm too dumb and stubborn to do it. I guess I just figured that I got to get back to the basics."
[08:20]

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3. Free Agency and Team Rankings

Timestamp: [13:11] – [33:52]

The conversation shifts to free agency moves and their impact on team performance. Tom shares his rankings of NFL teams based on recent transactions:

• Number 10: Green Bay Packers – Despite concerns over young quarterback Jordan Love's performance, the team remains competitive.
• Number 9: Denver Broncos – Expected to improve with strategic additions.
• Number 1: Philadelphia Eagles – Praised for smart roster management and depth.

Tom provides detailed analysis on each team's strengths and potential, emphasizing the importance of defensive upgrades and strategic signings:

Tom Izzo: "They spent more money on free agency than any playoff team. And again, Bo Nix, an entire offseason with Sean Payton. So getting Dre Greenlaw and Hufanga, those are big, instinctive, smart guys who will upgrade the defense."
[25:15]

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4. Player Development and Coaching Strategies

Timestamp: [33:52] – [50:47]

Tom Izzo discusses the evolution of player roles, particularly the changing responsibilities of tight ends in football. He highlights the necessity of versatility and maintaining player freshness throughout the season:

Tom Izzo: "The responsibility of the tight end is changing as time goes on… It's about keeping guys fresh and throughout the course of a year you need that."
[35:41]

The dialogue transitions to personal anecdotes about coaching philosophies, player relationships, and maintaining a competitive edge. Tom emphasizes the mental aspects of the game, resilience, and the importance of leading by example:

Tom Izzo: "My mentality is what sets me apart. Having a routine and my adaptability as well, the game is gonna evolve. It's about the grit and the grind, and that's what I thrive off of."
[36:07]

They also touch upon player personalities, locker room dynamics, and the significance of mutual respect among teammates and opponents:

Tom Izzo: "Max Crosby... he's a dude and he's one of those guys. Whether it's Max Crosby, Miles Gary, whenever I've gone against those two guys, I know that the night before, my body feels different because I know that... I'm gonna need all of what I have in order to get my job done."
[47:14]

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5. Future Predictions and Career Insights

Timestamp: [50:48] – [52:47]

In the concluding segments, Tom Izzo shares his thoughts on career longevity and future plans. Discussing potential retirement and life after sports, he reflects on the importance of maintaining physical and mental fitness:

Tom Izzo: "If you want to have a long career, then you have to find ways to keep that edge and do the same. And obviously, when the expectations are a certain way, I've already been through that."
[36:07]

Colin and Tom also speculate on upcoming sports events, draft picks, and the evolving landscape of sports management. They express enthusiasm for future projects and potential collaborations, highlighting the continuous nature of sports discourse.

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Notable Quotes

• Tom Izzo on Team Connection:

"We're playing nine, ten guys where we do rebound pretty well."
[06:30]

• On Free Agency Impact:

"They spent more money on free agency than any playoff team."
[25:15]

• Player Mentality:

"My mentality is what sets me apart. It's about the grit and the grind."
[36:07]

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Best of the Week on The Herd," Colin Cowherd and Tom Izzo provide deep insights into team strategies, player development, and the intricate dynamics of sports management. The conversation offers valuable perspectives for sports enthusiasts, highlighting the blend of mental toughness and strategic planning that drives successful teams.

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Note: This summary excludes advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content sections to focus solely on the informative and insightful discussions between Colin Cowherd and his guest, Tom Izzo.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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You coach your players hard and they respond to it. What, what about this team? What's the secret sauce about this team? That why you like them? They're connected, you know, and everybody talks about being connected, Colin, but this team is really connected. It's been connected. And, you know, we've kind of put our egos aside and everybody's playing for each other and that doesn't always happen. We're playing nine, 10 guys where we do rebound pretty well. We actually score it pretty well. We shoot free throws well. And yes, you are correct, you did your scouting report not shoot the three very well. But the last two, three weeks were been moving up drastically from the three. And if we can get that down, I think we could really do some damage. You know, it's funny, a lot of coaches, my buddy Jay Wright, like, I think there's a lot of coaches that look at nil and transfer portal and go, get me out of here. And I don't know if Jay did that, but I think, you know, Jay's such a great guy, but you have kind of said like, hey, this is the world. I can complain or I can adapt. Why have you, with all this fluctuation, why are you still Michigan State? Why are you still good? Why have you adapted so easily? Well, since you were honest with me about my three point shooting, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it for a lot of reasons, especially the transfer portal. I think more kids are going to get hurt. But that's another story in another day. But like Jay Wright, like Nick Saban, you know, those guys are friends of mine. They decided to go another way. I'm too dumb and stubborn to do it. I guess I just, I just figured that I got to get back to the basics. Last year I was on all kinds of committees. I worried about it. This year I kind of stuck the coach in my team and I've been lucky. I got some good players. I got a couple of guys that have really elevated their game. I got one of my former stars, Jason Richardson's son, who has really elevated his game. And when you got a player's son from the past. That either means you're getting old or you survive. Colin, I don't know what you want. You know, it's interesting. Years ago, it's funny about the tournament. Everybody loves Florida and I said, be very careful, hot teams. It doesn't translate all the time. You got to be care for years and years. Everybody always said you got to have great guard play. Well, you know, what does matter in your years of doing this? Is there one or two things that absolutely translate from regular season to March? Well, you know, I'm a big football guy. I love football. And I think in football, you know, at the end of the day, yes, still all the fancy stuff comes and goes. You still got to build a block and tackle and not turn the ball over. Well, if you ask me, in basketball, you still got to be able to defend and run and you can't turn the ball over. So there are some things that are similar no matter what sport you're in. Ours is a little different because that damn ball's got to go in the basket sooner or later. And you could run all the best offense. If the final shot doesn't go in, it hurts. But I think what translates defense carries, just like it does in all other sports, whether it's hockey, baseball, basketball or football. We've been pretty solid. That's why I think we've had a pretty good run. But, you know, getting to the free throw line I think matters and making shots. Because in the tournament you get down to the nitty gritty and people are following you. So you got to be able to make free throws, which we can do on the three point line. We're improving. Listen, I'm not a scout. I just watched your games and I'm like, okay, that's not what they do. You know, it's interesting. I was talking to Mark Few Friday, and when I've talked to Mark privately and I'm like, hey, do you ever steal stuff from coaches? And he's like, oh, God, yes. I take stuff from everybody. When you've been around as long as you've been, do you ever find yourself during the court, you're sitting at home and all of a sudden you watch a game and you're like, oh, I must steal that. I like that inbounds play. Do you do that? I'm so dumb. And Mark Few and I are good friends. We're both on these committees that we just went through all this stuff. But I'm so dumb, I not only steal it, but I name it after the team I steal it from. So if I got a Zags player, if I got a 76ers player, a Lakers play, it's because I stole it from them. So my plays are named after a lot of people or a lot of teams, which means I'm stealing a lot. Yeah. So listen, I watched the SEC this year and I said this. I picked Auburn to win it. And I said, I think it helps when your conference is good because you get battle tested. You're in close games. Is there. I ask everybody this. In fact, I asked Few about this and he said, houston, is there a team you've either played or scouted that you've looked at and you think to yourself today, yeah, I'd rather not see them until maybe the Final Four. Who's a team that guys like me won't pay attention to? But you've seen them and you're like, yeah, that team's trouble. Well, it's interesting. Mark said houston, believe it or not, I replaced Kelvin Sampson here as a ga. He used to work for Judd Heathcote many years ago. And I think my teams are tough and pretty good defensively. I think his teams are insane. They're like the 85 or six bears, whatever it was, you know, they're. They're phenomenal defensive team. They got toughness. What he's done is he's added the three point shot and now they're a better shooting team. So I'd have to agree with Mark. They're. They're one of. But I saw Auburn in person in Hawaii. We didn't play him, but I saw them. They were impressive. Florida's been impressive as of late. I still think the Alabamas, but I. I played against them last year. I think Tennessee still brings those intangibles. Yeah, they have toughness, they're well coached. Rick is a great coach. And they're really, really good defensively. That was a politician's answer. I gave you a bunch of them. By the way, I see right behind you you have lunch. So you look fantastic for your age. What do you have back there? Vegetables? A kale salad. What are you having for lunch? It's a salad, man. You got good eyes. Your scouting reports are pretty good. You got that we can't shoot threes, that I eat salad for lunch. This is a hell of a deal, man. Tom Izzo. The great Tom Izzo. Good luck, coach. Thanks for coming on the Herd. Thanks, God. See you, buddy. All right. Tom Izzo, a great coach. I actually have J. Mac. I Have Tennessee in my Final Four. Interesting. Yeah, interesting. I also have a ridiculous dark horse. Go ahead, tell them. I'm not gonna get into it. I want to save it for the audience. No, later in the next hour. I got to give the audience some gems. I have Auburn winning it. I do have Tennessee in the Final Four. Okay. I can't hate it. No, no love for Cooper Flag and Duke. How good did Duke look without Cooper Flag in the ACC tournament? I know the ACC was a great. Anybody can go total shot. You have to have at least a four seat in there. Is that what the minimum is? A four seed? Well, I mean, that's historically not a lot of five seeds get in. Like last year, NC State two years ago, fau. Like somebody always sneaks it. I have a sneaky team. They play. Is it as sneaky as UC San Diego? God, everybody is on that. Wait, I talked about him last week. Gonna beat Michigan. Yeah, I already bet it. Money line. And with the points. Michigan's big. They are big, but they don't have any depth. And there's a history of Big Ten tournament teams trying super hard in the Big Ten tournament where you scout well and you care. Four games in four days and then you've got to turn around and play quickly. You know, let down. You know what's ridiculous? College basketball is the only sport where the. Your conference tournament means nothing. Well, I mean like Michigan. I mean, pride. Well, Michigan got a fifth seed, didn't they? They won the tournament. Didn't get anything out of it.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, that's a.

[Colin Cowherd]

That's a fair point. Yeah, Michigan is very big as UC San Diego that just became a division one couple years ago now. They're. They're a great story. The athletic had an awesome story on them. Oh, this is going to sound so nerdy. I stole some of his coaching principles and applied it to my kids youth basketball leagues. They do this no middle defense where everybody keeps a foot in the paint. We're not giving up layups. You're not getting in the lane even though they have no size and it works great. Listen, man, that sounds like the Wildcat offense. That's what it sounds like. Are you teasing? No middle defense. I guarantee you it'll work for a week. That's all you need. Well, three weeks to win the title. You see, they're not this. They're not winning the title, obviously. So I've watched Michigan State. Michigan State's the kind of team that's going to win multiple game. They play too hard. They play defense. They rebound. They just don't shoot threes. That's not what they do. They got to get Jason Richardson's kids more shots. There. Is those a little too balanced? No, we got to, we got to sub him out and get all these up. Richardson's a stud. That kid is awesome. He's got to get more shots. Keep him on the floor. This is such a fun time of the year. This is the greatest. Yeah, there's only one time of the year I don't talk to my wife about finances. This weekend, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and guess Aaron Rodgers makes a decision like Thursday or Friday because it's got to be about Aaron all the time, you know, and he's gonna try to steal the Thunder from the tournament. That felt like a little bit. How's your boy doing? Is he in a darkness retreat? I haven't heard anything. Boy, a lot of shots fired. I am. You know what is he might bump into him at Erewhon here in Malibu. You got to be very careful. I'm not going to Malibu. All the earthquakes are hitting over there. I had a shaker yesterday. Yeah, I didn't feel it. Oh, I did. I did. Locked in on brackets. So yeah, I thought it was the gin and soda. It was just, it was just a default line. Hour to next Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd, weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the iHeartRadio app. It's the last game of the season.

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Listen, will they be top heavy? Yeah. But the NFL owners all get a check for $450 million. This league is swimming in money. There's four great players on this team. Pay them. Everybody's swimming in cash. You see what they're paying coordinators. I mean every these owners money to burn. I was wrong on this one. Where Colin was right. What a shocker. Aaron Rodgers is dramatic. Minnesota now not sure if we're going to go. Giants have offered him but reportedly we're going to draft the quarterback to her, bring another one in. He was going to have to battle for the job. So I've said this before. You know, Aaron's his own guy. You're going to get some noise and drama and it has turned out if I would have told you that there is one quarterback who can't make up his mind, you would have guessed Aaron. Where Colin was raw, I, I thought Geno Smith to the Raiders. I don't have a problem with it. But reportedly he's going to get 40 to 45 million. That's a big contract. He's never won a playoff game. Last year, 21 TDs, 15 picks. Sam Darnold, criticize him all you want. Signed a team friendly deal and he's seven years younger and more athletic. So I don't have a problem with Geno Smith making them. You know, going to Seattle I kind of like it for Pete Carroll, but I didn't think he had another $45 million a year contract. Where Colin was right. I said a year ago the Niners should reboot. They waited a year and now they're, they're doing, they're getting doged essentially they're moving off all sorts of contracts. And I said they should have done it last year. Ward is now gone. Greenlaw smart, good players gone. Hufanga in excellent safety, struggles with health is gone. I thought last year they got too old, too expensive and increasingly too Britt. So this is what I said last year they should have done. They waited a year to do it. Where Colin was raw. Little surprise John Snyder signed Cooper cup to that deal. His yards have declined four straight seasons. McVay moved off him because he couldn't get open. He's also missed 18 games in the last three years. Now Schneider has drafted and acquired receivers at a really good rate so he knows his stuff. But again there's a $45 million. Three years. Again, the league has so much money now they're looking for like a number two or three receiver. But I be honest with you, I didn't think, I didn't think he'd get that number. Where Colin was right when Brian Kelly left Notre Dame, I said it's because the SEC is all about commitment. And this weekend LSU doubled its nil money to 18 million a year after losing a recruit to Michigan and again Notre Dame. You have rigorous debates about academics at lsu. What's it cost to win a natty. And that's not a knock on Notre Dame. I love them for who they are, but this is why he left, because you don't have to argue. You lose a top recruit to a northern school, suddenly they double the nil. 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It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. By the way. Big Ten ratings Big Ten championship ratings the best in like 10 years. College basketball, Caitlin Clark's numbers last year, people may be moving away from pro basketball. They're not moving away from college basketball. Big east ratings are massive for FS1 huge, huge record setting. Listen, man, college basketball is going to have a great tournament. You need to start talking more brackets. I taught college basketball two hours yesterday. I know that's. Listen, I got to take a lot of credit for that because you're not a big college hoops guy. That's not that I'm not a big college hoops guy. I love my guys. I bring four or five coaches. I love my guys. But it does feel sometimes like it's a bracket, not a sport, like it's all about the bracket. But I will say, if you look at the ratings for these conference championships, people were into them. Yeah. By the way, St. John's being good is so huge for college basketball because they play some of their games at the Garden. Yes. So they kind of flip back and forth. College basketball. New York has always been an unbelievable basketball town because in New York, some people are Yankee fans, some are Mets, some people are. Are Jet fans. They're Giants. Everybody's a Nick fan. Everybody's a St. John's fan. So, I mean, when, when Syracuse and St. John were crushing college basketball, I mean, New York was just a mecca. I mean, you have usc, UCLA out here, but there's just, you know, the beach, the weather, the mountains. In New York, the winner of a college. The winner is basketball season. A lot of it. When the Knicks are humming and St. John's is humming, the energy in New York is. It's so good for college basketball. There's a map floating around the Internet how if you cut the country almost in half, nobody's won a national championship since. I think Arizona in like the late 90s, like, nobody west is. Is very good right now. Who's the best west coast team in college hoops? Right. Well, Gonzaga is the most. Gonzaga is the most consistently good team. Arizona, I would say, is second. And that's it. All right, so before I get to Nick Wright, so, PFF came out today with the. They ranked all the rosters 1 to 32. I'm not going to do that, but I did take free agency and free agency, losses. I considered everything. So we have our coaching moves all set. We have free agency outside of Aaron Rodgers again, I think he maybe adds a win to wherever he goes, maybe two wins. But I don't think he's changing. He's not changing divisions. Forget about changing the sport. I just don't think he is. It's not a shot on him. I think Russell Wilson again, could be worth a win to a team that didn't have a right quarterback. But I will tell you what I think based on free agency gains and losses and kind of what teams are going through right now, where we stand with the top 10. I would put Green Bay at 10. They remain the number 10, the youngest offense in the NFL and the youngest roster. They overpaid for Aaron Banks at guard, but it was a position of need. And again, when you have a young quarterback, you've got to protect him. Now, Jordan Love did not play well in the last month of the season and that is a concern. Plus Chicago's better. Minnesota could be really good. The division is very good. Offensively. I have green bay at 10. Number nine. Denver's going to improve. Good. How. How good was Bo Nix as a rookie? Well, how. How good do you think he's going to be? Year two with Sean Payton? They got Evan Ingram with Sean Payton. Calls their joker position like Debo, he can do multiple things. They spent more money on free agency than any playoff team. And again, Bo Nix an entire offseason with Sean Payton. So getting Dre, Greenlaw and Hufanga, those are big, instinctive, smart guys who will upgrade the defense. Everybody in the AFC west, including the Raiders. That division's getting really good, really fast. Number eight, the Commanders. Their O line last year was 10. Now they added Laramie Tunzel, a top three pass blocker. Debo Samuel is one of the greatest great moves of free agency, the classic chess piece. So this is a team that could get four to five starters out of the draft. Got two absolute starters in free agency. And again, Jaden Daniels as a rookie was amazing. Another offseason to learn Cliff's offense. I have him at 8. Number 7. Really worry about Kansas City. Joe Tuni is one of the more valuable offensive linemen in the league left and they didn't want him to leave. They couldn't afford him. They don't have a left tackle. They paid a lot for Jalen Moore, who's never been a starter. And there's pass rushers all over that division. By the way. They're not going to go 11 and oh in one score games. Raiders are better, Broncos will be better. The Chargers will be better. Listen, it never lasts forever. I think it's going to be a slight pullback here. I still have them as a playoff team. You're not going 11 and oh and one score games. The division now is simply too good. Number six, the Chargers. I think Najee Harris only player in the league four straight thousand yard seasons behind a bad Steeler O line and a tone deaf culture. Offensively now he goes to Harbaugh. By the way, Harbaugh's second year with the Niners got to the Super Bowl. So think of what Jim Harbaugh turned around in one off season. The worst defense to statistically a top two defense. Now you get another seven eight draft picks from a coach who just left college football. Najee Harris Joe Alt second year as a starting tackle. I think like Denver, the Chargers make a big jump. I have met six number five. I worry about the Lions. I like DJ Reed because their past defense has been lousy for years. I like that pickup. They lost both coordinators and they're not going to be as clever without Ben Johnson. They're just not. We saw Philadelphia lose both coordinators a couple years ago and they plummeted. I also think the whole rah rah thing, I think it works early as you're building a culture but now the culture, the rah rah stuff wears down. Are you as good schematically because the NFC is getting better fast. I have the Lions at five number four. Listen, they they got an extension for Josh Allen. I also think Joey Bosa and receiver Josh Palmer are upgrades. The extension by the way is fairly team friendly to allow for some flexibility. I thought for much of the year last year they were the best team and I think they've upgraded. I think Joey Bosa is a better version of Von Miller who was expensive and hurt a lot and became kind of a pass rusher. Only I have Buffalo at four number three Ravens rosters ranked number one by pff. They got Lonnie Stanley and again the number one offense last year. I don't see it regressing. This list is not about who's going to win the Super Bowl. It is how do I value your roster and your team right now based on free agency, gains and losses and extensions to your best player. I have the Ravens at 3 number 2. I thought the Rams crushed Puna 4 defensive line that was an area of need and Devonte Adams and retain Matt Stafford. And their defense Thanksgiving on was arguably the best in the league. Go ask Sam Darnold sack nine times. So this defense is just getting better every month because they're so young and inexpensive. I put the Rams at to go back to that game in the snow in Philly. They're down to the 15 yard line with a chance to go with two turnovers with a chance to go in for the win. It's a real team. Head in the right direction. Number one, listen, they didn't overpay for Milton Williams. They had some free agent losses, but they have drafted so well. Philadelphia's number one again, they are smart enough to know who to pay for and who to let go and I thought all their moves made sense to me. Zach Bond, bringing him back the linebacker surprised me a little at that price point. But again, I'm going to give Philadelphia the benefit here. It remains the deepest roster with the most dexterity. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays at noon Eastern, 9am Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino Enriched Live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartrade radio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search KO and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Kavino and Rich, 19 years in the NFL. How about that second oldest player looks great to Aaron Rogers by the way, who always appreciated you. Mercedes Lewis, the former UCLA Bruin. God, you were drafted back in 2006 by the Jags. That I remember your college career. So we were talking during the break. It is interesting. I can remember now I'm old enough to remember when Benny Cunningham for the Steelers was like he make it a targeted game. And then you'd see Kellen Winslow and you're like well that's a once out of 20 year player. It feels like there's a lot more Kellen Winslow ish guys coming out of college. What is the single biggest change at tight end from this past year to your rookie year.

[Tom Izzo]

Well, I would say obviously I came in at a time where it was more run heavy play action, pass, let's control the clock being an extra extension of the line and if we need you to stretch the field, great, here you go. Catch a bone to come back and come block this power play. Right. So as far as the change though, every like Titans now are more spread out and I think the responsibility of the tight end is changing as time, you know, as time goes on. Right. Like you when I came in it was like, okay, you have your number one tight end and then you know, you'll have two, two tight ends behind me, but they're not really going to be expected to do much work. Right. It's stressor teams and if I need a break or my, my shoe comes untied, I come out, somebody comes in. Now what you're seeing, teams are starting to get more guys, you know, more depth at these different positions to kind of take the workload off of the number one guys. So for instance, Travis Kelsey, right, elite pass catcher, you know what you're going to get out of him, you want to keep him as fresh as possible, so you're going to have him there and then who's behind him? Noah Grant, Noah Gray, you're going to have Noah Gray, who's your guy that can kind of do it all. And then the guy behind nor Gray is going to be the more of utility guy, special teams guy, all in an effort to keep the number one guy healthy. Right. And continue to, to develop the guys behind Travis. But that's what it's more geared towards now and I like it. It's kind of like when you think of like the running backs and you have like your, your guy is going to run in between the tackles, your bruiser. And then you got your guy that's catching, you know, catching the ball out the backfield, pitches, sweeps and things of that nature. But it keeps guys fresh and throughout the course of a year you need that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Some of, some of what you've done is, you know, I mean I remember when you came out of college, it's like could this guy play in the NBA? Remember Dave Winfield, the baseball player? You had a Dave Winfield quality. You're like, he just decided to play a sport. You could have played more than one. So. But I wonder how much of 19 years is just mindset. Do you think that matters?

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, I think that's a good point. Obviously the physical part of this game, you know, what you're signing up for. I've been playing football since I was 7 years old, and it's something that I've grown accustomed to, but my mentality is what sets me apart. And having a routine and my adaptability as well, the game is gonna evolve. It's gonna, you know, continue to evolve. And if you want to have a long career, then you have to find ways to kind of keep that edge and do the same. And obviously, when I came out of ucla, pass catcher, setting records, touchdowns, all of that got to Jacksonville. Those first three years was kind of like a culture shock because we didn't pass the ball at the rate, you know, I caught the ball in college. But what that did was prepare me for what the road was going to be ahead, right? And that was getting that gristle on my bones and really embracing the grind. And I've been able to weaponize the grind throughout my career. And, you know, nowadays, when the expectations are a certain way, I've already been through that. I know what it looks like, so I'm able to lead from the front and help the guys that are coming behind me and let them know that, like, this is truly a privilege to be in this league. And if you want to play for a long time and, you know, you want to have a really successful career, it's about the grit and the grind, and that's what I thrive off of.

[Colin Cowherd]

So Cole Comet, Notre Damer. I met him at the USC Notre Dame game. Really engaging guy.

[Tom Izzo]

That's my guy.

[Colin Cowherd]

Really nice guy. And so you were in Chicago. I'm. I'm moving the base of our show to Chicago, and I'm going there after the show, and wife's family's there is. You know, J. Mac is like, I can't take the cold weather. Now you're a West coast guy. Can you at least acknowledge to J. Mac, Chicago's a fun time?

[Tom Izzo]

I will say this, obviously. I played 12 years in Jacksonville, five in Green Bay. I just finished my second in Chicago. I think the city of Chicago is probably one of my favorite cities I've ever been in. And I was born in Long Beach. I went to ucla, right? Love, love la. This is where I'm from. This is where the family is. But Chicago is probably one of my favorite cities to ever be in architecture, everything, man, the food is amazing.

[Colin Cowherd]

The people are just great. People dress up.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, no, it's. And you mentioned Nicole, like, yes, it is cold. We do understand that. But, like, I feel like I dress the best when it's cold, you know what I mean? I can layer up. I can wear my trench coats with my hoodies and everything.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay. I tell him that, you know, you know when I tell my wife this, yeah. I'm like, man, you are in the winter. She's got layers that come on.

[Tom Izzo]

Yes.

[Colin Cowherd]

Like that's got good looking people.

[Tom Izzo]

Yes, that's what it's about. Like I'm telling you when it's hot outside sometimes and when I'm in my house, I don't even know what I'm wearing. Like I'll leave out with swim trunks, with a hoodie just because I'm like well, maybe cold. You know how LA is. It's like yeah, it says 78 but the breeze, like I don't give me something that I know if it's going to be 60. I'm addressed like it's 60 and I know exactly what I'm walking into. So I enjoy it. Like it's a good time.

[Colin Cowherd]

So we do worry a little about Caleb Williams and I've said this, I love him personally. I think he's a good guy. His and I think this was a fair, not even a criticism, it was a fair kind of summation of him in college sometimes. And I think a lot of this was he didn't trust his own line. He just wouldn't out them publicly is that he was kind of a big play guy. Instead of taking the layup, which that's the NFL Mahomes takes a lot of layups.

[Tom Izzo]

No doubt.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know Michael Jordan about twice a night was jaw dropping. Other than that, Michael hit a lot of 18 footers. He just come down and that he was a little prone to go wild, play over, just boom, boom, boom. Did you sense a little bit of that early in him growing out of that?

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, I think, you know, you have a guy like Caleb and the ability that he has to get that ball out of his hand and throw off platform and make it look, make hard stuff look very easy. And if you're doing it in college and you've been able to get away with it in college, obviously the natural progressions when you come into the league, you're going to try to do some of those things. And so I think, you know, in his defense, obviously with our offense last year, yeah the firing of coaches, it was a lot going on and he was just trying to do the best job he could at trying to take on all the information. Obviously the offense kind of like shifted midway through the season. Like it was just, it was Just a lot going on for him. And I think that, you know, obviously bringing Ben Johnson in and being able to pair him with Caleb and Caleb's ability to kind of be who he is and Ben is going to be able to get in there and get into his mind and kind of create this offense around Caleb's so that, you know, he understands the structure and how things should work in the NFL. And, you know, you're not going to question Ben's ability to put guys in position to make plays and, you know, I'm looking forward to watching it. It's going to be.

[Colin Cowherd]

Are you going to play again?

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm at 19, obviously that's all fine and dandy, but 20, just, you know, where. I don't know where yet. You know, there's been a few teams probing to kind of see if I'm going to continue to play. And so it's all in the universe's hands and I'm just going to do my job like I've always done this offseason and train my butt off and I'll be ready when that.

[Colin Cowherd]

Would you like to go to Chicago?

[Tom Izzo]

Of course. That's best case scenario.

[Colin Cowherd]

Okay? It is.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

What's second best case scenario? You know, Chargers could use a. They could use a tough guy.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah. I'm going to leave that open to interpretation. I'm not going to. Obviously, for me to put Chicago out there. I've been there the last two years. I'm familiar with you got guys, the process and you know, that work and what they expect and what's expected of me. Right. And obviously they got. They fired their coaching staff, but they kept my tight end coach who I've had the last two years there, and so would be great to finish my career with him. Jim Dre is somebody that I respect a lot and he, you know, brings the best out of us in that room. And being able to continue to watch Cole commit, kind of develop and do his thing as he comes into his own and, you know, would just be a blessing. So, you know, obviously what I can control is being. Being my personal best and working out and doing my thing and I'll be ready when that time comes.

[Colin Cowherd]

So, you know Aaron. Well, I said I kind of thought he would. Minnesota works. I would have gone to Minnesota. I could see Aaron at this point saying, you know what? I kept telling people, I think he likes New York. I think he's a smart guy, likes the city. It's fabric. I think New York is like Chicago.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Big smart cities for, you know, museums and architecture. And there's just, there's always somewhere to go in New York and Chicago or London. I could see him going to New York. They got a left tackle, offensive coach, weapon, great running back, draft. But I could also see Aaron saying, let's amount 41, a little bumpy at the end. First ballot, hall of Famer. If you had to guess today, retirement, Steelers, Giants. Do you have a guess?

[Tom Izzo]

My guess would maybe be the Steelers.

[Colin Cowherd]

You like the Steelers. They don't have a left tackle. That worries me.

[Tom Izzo]

I think, I just think that him coming from the jets, obviously already being in New York, I don't know, me knowing a Rod, I don't know if you want to just go right over to the Giants after being with the jets. Like, I just, I feel like he want more of like just a. Something completely new, completely different, potentially get out of New York. I know him and Tomlin have a really good relationship.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Tom Izzo]

And a good, you know, rapport there. And it's just a still city. I feel like that's the piece that they would need to potentially put them over the top as well. But if I, you know, was having a conversation with Aaron right now about coming back, I would just say. Chase J. Joy, not happiness. Happiness is fleeting. If you don't find joy in football and everything that comes with it anymore, as far as, you know, being scrutinized and everybody picking you apart from the outside, you've done enough. You know, you are one of the best that have ever done it. And like you said, first ballot and a really good friend of mine. So I just, whatever it is, take the time to kind of figure that out. He always knows he can lean on me and hit me up whenever he wants to kind of sort through it. But he's definitely done enough. So it'd be interesting to see is he misunderstood? Yeah, I mean, I think for people that don't know me, I would be misunderstood as well. You know what I mean? Like, it's just one of those things like if you don't know somebody personally, you're gonna form your own opinions based on secondhand and third hand information that you've gotten. And does a Rod kind of provoke it a little bit because he knows.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think I've said this before, he can be combative, no doubt, with his family. I'm not making stuff up. And I've said, and I. I've met Aaron once at the SBS very, very quick. And even in that little 45 second moment, he's got a big opinion and he'll tell you. And he didn't know me, and I'll never say what was said, but my take is that's who he is.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, I mean. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I. That's just who he is. And if you don't really have the time to kind of like sit there and get to know him and be with him on the day in and day out basis, your opinion is probably going to be just like everybody else's opinion that don't really know him. And so, you know, I'm grateful to have had those moments with him. And, you know, we've actually spent holidays together and, you know, spent a lot of time together kind of picking his brain and. And it's just a different psychosis that makes you great. And he's one of those guys.

[Colin Cowherd]

And he loves football.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, he loves it, man. Just how he prepares, how he comes to work, you know, a lot of people don't understand too is. And I'll leave it with this, you know, friendships and connections. As far as who you respect at the professional level, even really at the college level, is based on how you come to work and what you. What you do in the film room, how you are on the field, how you treat people around the building like that, that's your value. And if you're one of those guys that does it the right way and he is, and how he leaves from the front in the building, you're going to be best friends. And if you're not, you know, he's gonna. He's gonna find out real quick. You know, a Rod is one of those guys. Like, he's not. He's not necessarily going to pull you aside and lay, man, I don't really like this. He's just not going to talk to you. You know what I mean? Like, that's just what it is.

[Colin Cowherd]

Everybody's different.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

Who's the biggest trash talker you line up against? Career and currently a guy that, like Max Crosby, he said he's like a radio announcer. Like, he's just talking.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah. So dang. Max. Max does talk a lot, but Max backs it up a lot. So he could. He could say whatever. Yeah, he's. He's a dude and he's one of those guys. Whether it's Max Crosby, Miles Gary, whenever I've gone against those two guys, I know that the night, like the night before, my body feels different because I know that, like, come Sunday morning, I'm gonna need all of what I have in order to get My job done. And I think that's the beauty of competition in general. And if I don't feel that, then there may be an issue. And I have to, like, sometimes muster that up. Right. And.

[Colin Cowherd]

And Max is one of those guys. Yeah, it's just different.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, it's just different. You just know that you're gonna get. You're gonna. You're gonna get a handful every single play. Non stop. This is what it is. Whether you block them. Great. Just know that next play, he's coming after you and. But that's what I thrive off of. Like, that's. You don't have guys like that no more. Like, Max is an old school guy.

[Colin Cowherd]

He is a raider from the 70s.

[Tom Izzo]

You know what I mean? Like, he's just an old school guy. And like, I think for me, that's what I appreciate more, are guys that are that way. And you're gonna have guys that talk a lot, but if you're not backing it up like that, then it becomes whatever, right? Like, you can watch the film and he jumps off the film every single place. So you know what you're getting, right? And you know, those are the type of guys you respect every day, so.

[Colin Cowherd]

Man, we only get you like twice a year.

[Tom Izzo]

I know, man, I gotta.

[Colin Cowherd]

You're busy. You have a life.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, I gotta stop by more.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, no, no, it's not your responsibility. I'll just have to fire my guest booker. It's no big deal. So you. Do you still live over by my favorite restaurant?

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, so I'm still over there. I'm actually now in Studio City, though. I moved down. I just wanted to try something a little different. It was being in the scene, it was kind of far.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Izzo]

You know, coming back this way. But I'm enjoying Studio City and I'm there for now, so we'll see.

[Colin Cowherd]

Man, I'd love to see you with the Bears.

[Tom Izzo]

Oh, man, let's see what happens.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm in the burbs now, too.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, no, they have my number.

[Colin Cowherd]

Boring. But, you know, I like it.

[Tom Izzo]

Like, I like being just far enough away. But if I want to go get it, you know, I mean, it's la.

[Colin Cowherd]

So maybe who's the biggest personality in the Bear? Like a funny guy. Every locker room's got a funny guy.

[Tom Izzo]

I would say DJ Moore. DJ is like. He's unassuming too. Like, DJs quiet at, like, face value. But, like, once you get to know him, his pranks, jokes, like, he's. He's a dude. I love dj.

[Colin Cowherd]

He's also a great player, no doubt. Mercedes Lewis, what a pleasure. Maybe we'll go into business someday.

[Tom Izzo]

Let's do it.

[Colin Cowherd]

I got a podcast company, sign me up, which is very popular. Kids like it.

[Tom Izzo]

Yeah, We've been talking about this for a long time now, and I got one more that I want to get. Get 20 and then, wow. Let's get it, man.

[Colin Cowherd]

Not like you'd need it, but you're gonna have quite a pension.

[Tom Izzo]

Hey, you know what's funny about that is, like, you don't really think about those things because you're. You're literally in the grind. And then guys don't necessarily play for this long, so you don't really even. Yeah, but here's the wild thing. Yes, there'll be a pension there, but it's more so like some of the things you can't even have access to, to your 45. I'll be 41 in May. Like, who finishes playing? And then like, if I wanted to, it's like, oh, yeah, cool. Two or three years, I could just.

[Colin Cowherd]

You could be president, like in 42. The number on presidency. Think I just retire bears and run for office. Believe me, we could. We could use lots of leadership.

[Tom Izzo]

Oh, my gosh.

[Colin Cowherd]

Mercedes, great seeing you, buddy.

[Tom Izzo]

Likewise. Appreciate you, brother.

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Tom Izzo]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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