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Here we go. It's hour two in a Monday. Live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. If you're just tuning in, Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys have agreed to part ways. It came down to years, not money, meaning Jerry said. Jerry and Mike came to terms with Money. But Mike McCarthy has a new agent, Don Yee, who I know a little bit. Highly respected, highly cerebral, knows how to market his guys. He had Brady for years. He may still have Tom. I think he told McCarthy, ask for the moon. You're the best coaching candidate out there now that Vrabel signed. In fact, you got a ring and Mike Vrabel doesn't as a head coach. And I think the Cowboys, Jerry didn't want to pay him for five years. And McCarthy smartly said, I'm looking at my roster in Philadelphia's. I'm not signing a three or four year deal. This is a rebuild. And if you're the GM, Jerry, I want five years. And Jerry didn't want it. Mike McCarthy wins. All right. We do it on Mondays. Colin was right. Colin was wrong. Here we go.
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Where Colin was right.
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I picked the Washington Commanders as my surprise playoff team in the NFL. I didn't know if they'd win a game, but they did. I love Dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, Jaden Daniels. I thought it worked. And I thought their division had a couple of teams in the Giants in Dallas with weak rosters. I said Friday, I don't think they're as good as Tampa. I don't think they'll win. But if they do, it's because of singularly Jaden Daniels. And that's exactly what happened.
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Where Colin was wrong.
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I got a little too high on Jordan Love. J. Mack scolded me the entire season. But you know what I thought after that Green Bay Dallas performance? I thought, this guy is going to be great. And it was a roller coaster year. Three picks against Philly, I was told out of college by a gm. I trust that he thought he was a little loose and he wasn't sure you could coach that out of him. But if you count the playoff game in Philly, he ended up with 14 picks and the 19th highest passer rating in the NFL. I think he needs an offseason with Matt LaFleur to clean it up. I still like him a lot, but I was a little too high on him.
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Where Colin was, right?
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Mike Vrabel to the Patriots. I said Friday, Vrabel's the best candidate. Patriots the best job. This is an easy one. People always say you can't go home again, but this is the only opening where you get two things that are necessary and they get both. A stable owner with championship pedigree and a young quarterback on a rookie deal that shows great promise. Now, I mean, I guess you could say Washington, but we didn't know much about the new owner. We know Robert Kraft. This makes a lot of sense. I think he's going to win. In fact, I think New England next year. You think I'm crazy. I think they'll battle for a playoff spot, a wild card playoff spot. You can always get better on the perimeter faster than you can on the lines. You can go get corners, you can go get wide receivers in the draft. This is the best running back draft in a democratic decade, and there's tons of receivers. I think he's a culture builder. I think it's perfect.
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Where Colin was wrong.
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Justin Herbert, listen, you know, I love him, but that was a stinker. Now, former Charger Dan Fouts had his worst game as a pro in the playoffs, but if you take out one pass to lad McConkey, they didn't do anything. And I love him, but he was off in two playoff starts. I've got to be honest. He has a passer rating of 60 and has completed only 52% of his throws. I still think he's great, but you know what? Your legacy gets cemented and regresses in the playoffs, and he needs a really great playoff performance. Two trips, two ugly ones.
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Ohio State. I picked them to be in the national championship before the year. I said they would lose at Austin and beat Oregon the next time. And I also said even after they beat Michigan, I still think they're one of the top two teams in the country. I think they're going to beat Notre Dame. And I like Notre Dame a lot, but Ryan Day and Chip Kelly, that Michigan loss was jet fuel. They are playing tremendous football. Will Howard, after a bad Michigan game, is on it. I don't. I mean, listen, their old line isn't all time stuff and the Buckeyes usually have great O lines. But running back receiver Will Howard coaching, there's. There's nothing not to like here. And it just proves rivalries are great. But Nick Saban won a Natty one year after losing to Auburn in Ohio State. You gotta move past the Michigan game sometimes. This team, the Michigan loss actually was.
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A catalyst for this performance where Colin was wrong.
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Listen, I had the Longhorns winning the national championship and they lost twice to Georgia, once to Ohio State and they should have lost Arizona State. Situationally, and I think Sark's a very good coach, but boy, situationally they made some calls. I did not love running outside on that goal line. Play was not. Didn't work for me. I think they got the most out of Quinn. Yours. I think he is what he is. Arch Manning will start this point forward, but watching that game, I never felt Texas was as good as Ohio State. And, and maybe it just comes down to personnel, but I had them winning the Natty and I'm wrong where Colin was right. I've been saying this now for several years. I like Mike Tomlinson and he's great as an underdog coach. But when they lose effort, you're in trouble because offensively he can't figure out offensive lines. Their offensive line's awful again. Seven straight year they can't establish a run game and again they'll lead the NFL in defensive spending. I think he's a good football coach, but I think even good football coaches sometimes need a fresh start. And again, I would hire Mike Tomlin. I mean, if the Cowboys called Now that McCarthy's leaving, I'd hire Mike Tomlin. I think he's a good coach. I think the Pittsburgh thing, I think they need to reboot and I think Mike Tomlin does too.
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Where Colin was right.
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Lamar Jackson won his third playoff game. Listen, I know, I know, but he can't beat Kansas City. And nobody could beat Tiger woods in his prime or Michael Jordan when he got to the finals. Sometimes winning in the playoffs against the greatest quarterback playing in the sport is really hard. But I think lamar once again, 132 passer rating, two TDs. No picks without Zay Flowers. I mean they, they knew. Everybody in the ballpark knows they don't have. They don't have a receiver. It's Mark Edwards, Derrick Henry and Lamar didn't matter. Poised. Great. We got to stop the Lamar Jackson stuff. Yeah, he struggles against Kansas City. The world struggled against mj. Like Phil Mickelson's an all timer. Couldn't beat Tiger much. I still think Lamar Jackson is really, really special. Colin right, Colin wrong.
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According to college number 10 Cincinnati Bengals. Sorry, they beat the Broncos and the Pittsburgh Steelers that made the playoffs and they beat the breaks off of Green Bay right now. They're a good football team. Joe Burrow is on fire. Five game winning streak. He completed 77% of his throws, 13 TDs, four picks and a 111 passer rating. That's just sometimes the way it works. You get hot too late. Cincinnati is a top 10 team in the league. Let me tell you who Kansas City, Buffalo and Baltimore didn't want to make the playoffs. Cincinnati. They were fine with Bo Nix. They were fine with Justin Herbert. C.J. stroud. They didn't want Bo Nicks anywhere near the playoffs. Cincinnati at 10. Number nine Minnesota. Yeah, they listen. They're like a really good student who got a D in their last couple of test scores. Doesn't make him a bad student. Top 10 scoring offense, top five defense. They got out coached last night and they're not as good as Detroit and frankly the Rams young defense is a sight to behold. But I have the Vikings at nine. Number eight, the inconsistent Houston Texans. Now they're only two and five against playoff teams and they're going to go to Kansas City. It's going to be cold and they're going to probably get smoked. They're nine and oh when holding opponents to 20 points or fewer in Kansas City is getting better on offense so that's not going to happen. I think they're still a year away. I think Denver's a year away. I think Green Bay is a year away. I do think C.J. stroud's a different quarterback on the road than at home. We told you that going into the Chargers game. CJ Stroud. Cold weather on the road. Their season will end. Number seven, Commanders. No punts or turnovers against the Bucks. I don't know if I like the team or I'm in love with Jaden Daniels. I mean, the kids just. Honest to God, there's about 60% Mahomes, 60% Lamar Jackson. I. It's the best rookie I've ever seen next to Andrew Locke. Six game winning streak. Each of their last five games have been decided on the last play from scrimmage. You can't do that forever. That's just too emotional, too wild. They. I think they'll lose, but they deserve a ton of respect. How would you like to be Washington for the next 10 years with Jaden Daniels and Cap Space? Sign me up now.
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Number six is. The Rams played a perfect game in the first half last night, but they were not good on third down. And their offense can be really sluggish in the first half. Listen, they're really good. Not great, but they're 15 and 5 when they have Stafford and Puka and cup and Kyron Williams. Kyron Williams got dinged up last night, cross your fingers. And they're 71 when they score 201 plus. Their offense gets stuck, though, and it happens kind of regularly where their offense gets stuck. But if you give McVeigh or Andy Reid extra time. Good night. And I thought this, this defense is no joke. In the first four weeks of the year, they had eight sacks. They had eight sacks last night. This defense is. Jared Verse is unblockable. This kid right here jumping into the end zone. So the Rams are a young defense that about every three weeks you look up and they're noticeably better. I have the Rams at number six. Number five, Philadelphia. I don't know if. I don't think they can win the super bowl. Yes, they're 13 in one of the last 14 games. They were 2 for 11 on third down. Jalen Hurts went nearly two full quarters without a completion. And I don't love the head coach. I do think they'll beat the Rams because the Rams played perfect and now go outdoors to cold weather. And Philadelphia played poorly and still won. They have the best roster in the NFL. But I mean, Saquon Barkley is the leader of this team. It's not the quarterback. It's not the coach. This is the one team to me like, you can like Derek Henry, but I get Lamar and John Harbaugh. Saquon Barkley leads this team. That's the guy in the O line that I trust.
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Listen, the Ravens are good. Boy, they are really dependent on Derrick Henry and Lamar and that would concern me. Three drives of 85 plus yards. You know what I feel about Lamar Jackson. Listen, they're one in five against the Chiefs and they beat everybody else. So I don't think this team would beat Kansas City if they had to play him an arrowhead. I just don't think they would because I think Kansas City is better defensively and I think Baltimore is getting better on the defensive side. They held opponents under 20 points in five straight games. So that's what good coaching staffs do and good general managers do. Baltimore had a flaw and they're now better at the flaw. Kansas City wasn't very good on offense early and now Kansas City is better on offense. That's what good organizations do. So they've cleaned up the mess on defense. I have them there at what do I have the Ravens at 4. Number 3 Detroit Lions second best roster in football off a by hosting the Commanders. They struggle against mobile quarterbacks, which is not a good thing to struggle against in 2025 in the NFL 6 and 2 against playoff teams. Dan Campbell has a culture of relentlessness. Guys play hurt. Jared Goff for all you Jared Goff critics, this should be a calling was really right for the next 10 years. Jared Goff on third and fourth down this year. 18 touchdowns, no picks best O line in football.
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Number two, number one. Number two.
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Number two Kansas City. Listen, worst point differential in the history of the league for a team that's as good as them. I know they had a buy and I know they'll be good and I know they'll beat the brakes off of Houston and they are. They are getting stronger late with their musical chairs on the offensive line in Hollywood Brown and they are 72 against current playoff teams and 21 2. But aesthetics matter and data matters and my number one team in the league number one is Buffalo. There's never been a team in pro football that had 30 passing touchdowns and over 30 rushing touchdowns. Not only do they win at home, all but one home game was a blowout seven win by 20 points. I think this offense is incredible. Left tackle right now the best remaining in the playoffs. Quarterback most talented remaining the playoffs. James Cook. Top five running back, two good tight ends, three capable receivers. They are not as good as Kansas City defensively, there is no question. And maybe they don't match up with Baltimore defensively, but I this team right now is so good. Offensively, left tackle, quarterback, weapons run game. I have him number one by an inch. I think this is the year. I think this is the best version of Buffalo. Hey, these are tough decisions, folks.
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So there's a lot to unravel and unpack here. And we bring on Adam Silver, 11 years as the NBA commissioner. So let's start with the good stuff. International expansion, China and Africa. You have a new CBA for seven years. You just signed a massive TV deal. I like the NBA Cup. I'm a distracted consumer. If the court's purple, I know it matters. I like it. I think it works. So there's a lot of good here, more good than bad. But I'm gonna. I'm gonna set this Question up because this is something I struggle with. I'm a consumer and I'm distracted. I'm on my phone as much as tv. So I have been watching Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. They feel like burden magic because I am viscerally connected to them via college. This is why studios do sequels. I know the actors. Zach Edie, I really like watching him play. He's having a very nice rookie season but I know him because Matt Painter and Purdue is a big time program. It would be reductionist to say he's succeeding because he's big. He's succeeding because of what Purdue, Purdue did and not only that commissioner, but I got to watch the growth. So I am emotionally committed to Zach Edie. I think your heart was in the right place with the G League, but it hides players from me that I want to grow with. Is there an argument to be made that college basketball. There's. I feel like it's not. Not that it's marginalized, but it's not as big as it could be. It could be such a microwave for your stars and the league doesn't see it that way. Is that a fair criticism?
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I don't think it's a fair criticism because we do see it that way and we're doing everything we can to build college basketball. I mean, let me take a few steps back. Like first of all, in terms of the G League, most of the G League players are either international players who didn't play in college or former college players. In fact, we had a program called Team Ignite that Condoleezza Rice recommended we create. There was a NCAA commission and you'll recall pre collectives and nil money. President Obama criticized us and then the NCAA had a commission and said there should be a track, a pro track into the NBA because it was unfair that the only opportunity for these young players was to play without being paid in college. So we had already had the G League, but then we created this program called Team Ignite where for a select few high school players, if they wanted the opportunity to get, to get paid and then come into the NBA, they could play in that program. But even then we recognized that compared to the facilities, the conditions at the top D1 programs, even though we were paying them and they couldn't have been paid at that point, it was. They were still better off playing at Kentucky or Louisville or Duke or USC or wherever else. And so once the nil and collective money came in, we actually shut down the Team Ignite. We still have the G League and the last Thing we want to do is take top prospects who would otherwise be going to school, take Cooper flag at Duke. We, we'd rather he be there than be playing in the NBA right now or be playing in the G League. We want those players to develop. So I think there's a misnomer to the extent that you or others feel that we're not supportive of college basketball. Personally, a huge college basketball fan. Charlie Baker, the former governor of Massachusetts who's now head of the ncaa, he and I have been meeting a lot to talk about collectively what we can do to better develop young American players, which clearly has to begin before they get to college, before the NBA. So and you know, we are the league of the WNBA too. And so I pay a lot of attention to Caitlin Clark and the star players that are emerging in the WNBA and who are coming from college and when, whether it's angel or Caitlin or juju now. And these players come into the WNBA as, you know, built fully, you know, multi dimensional stars that people are familiar with. Like it was in the old days in the NBA. We love that. The problem is like so many things in life, I'm not sure we can turn the clock back on that type of development. I will say it's positive. You know, putting aside, I think there's some issues that need to be addressed in terms of the nil system and the collectives. It seems like nobody's really happy with it right now in terms of the competitive landscape.
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I think it's positive that those players are able to be paid. And if they're able to be paid, particularly the players that are on the margin of whether they or not they would be lottery picks or first round draft picks, they now have a huge incentive to stay in school because they can, they're not only can get the further development, but they can get paid as well.
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Here's something that I addressed with David Stern and I'll address it with you too. I think trades are good for sports. If you look at the best teams in the NBA right now, Oklahoma City, Cleveland and Boston, they have smart front offices that have drafted and developed well. They can occasionally make a Donovan Mitchell move or Porzingis move or a Drew Holiday, but those teams have drafted and developed well and they're being rewarded for it. You know, Dallas drafted Luka. You know, they can go get Kyrie, but Luke is the star. The NBA gets a little too caught up if you take LeBron out. Let's just take LeBron out. He is the historic outlier. Even Kevin Durant, warriors won before him, warriors won after him. Is that I think the league sometimes is too concerned with trades. If Jimmy Butler, who's a good player, maybe not a superstar anymore, went to Oklahoma City, I would want to watch them more or Golden State, I would want to that the league sometimes to protect the small markets. Let's not worry too much about that. Let's just let players move. Because the sense that it ruins the league or creates a competitive balance outside of LeBron, it really doesn't. Most of the great teams in this league historically have always been draft and develop, build a core and then add, sprinkle in some good players via trades.
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I don't think it's an accident that we've had six different teams over the last six years that have won championships. And at the end of the day we sell competition. And I hear you, I it sounds like you're making an argument for dynasties to a certain extent that we should do more to allow a great player to go to an already great team or an already very good team. The problem is that it's zero sum. The players are going to go somewhere. That's the great news. All the top tier players are going to play in the NBA. And that there is a correlation, it's far from perfect, but there's a correlation between what players make and their performance on the floor. And so what we've done, and I understand your point of view over time is while we have a soft cap system, it's become harder and it has been more difficult. Once you have a fully loaded team, yes. Then add a great player on top of that. And to your point, if Kevin Durant couldn't have gone to Golden State from Oklahoma City when he did, the team he had gone to would have almost by definition, if it weren't already a great team, had, would have become a great team. And for us, we think that's better league wide in terms of creating more competition. I mean, we're coming off a season last year and it's continued this year or I think we have more competitive teams than any time in league history. And to your point, the fact that, you know, tomorrow night Cleveland and Oklahoma City are playing yet again. Yeah, you know, fantastic buildup for that game, incredible competition. We just got to remember at the end of the day, that's what we're selling. I mean, I think that's part of the reason for the enormous success of the NFL. This any given Sunday notion that nobody thinks twice if the packers are in the super bowl, there's no bemoaning that it's a small market whatsoever. And I think our league, it's true that if you look back on the first 60 years of our league. David Stern joked when he came into the league, I thought the job was you went back and forth from Boston to LA every year and one of the teams got the rings. And I think the fact that now we're selling competition in every market and that in terms of from a television standpoint too, that you know, whether it's Oklahoma City, whether it's San Antonio, whether it's Salt Lake City, that those teams are in a position when well managed to compete in the same way the large markets can. And by the way, I mean it's not just money. I mean players choose markets based on, you know, climate, taxes. Sure, some like big cities, some like small cities. Yeah, but you know, I think I'm balanced. This is a much better system for a 30 team league.
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I want to throw this at you. I said this the other day about the aesthetic of the NBA. It's a bit homogenous, a little cookie cutter. And I said, listen, I don't mind three pointers, but if the NFL was just, you could run the ball and throw bombs, no layering, no drag routes, no tight end screen, it was just run it or bombs optically, it's not as fascinating. And I love the three pointer. But, but like, and you know this, you're a pretty progressive thinker. I think athletes are better. Wemby can pull up and cross you over in a dribble and shoot. They couldn't do that 10 years ago. And the truth is, because your players are so gifted and it's such a global pool, the three pointer is too easy. And I have simply said I would put the three pointer, I would go have it go into the bench, about 6ft up, eliminate the corner. I'd bring back the hand check. I do like physicality. Your athletes are so great. It's become too easy to hit it and the optics on it are repetitive. I think there's numbers, ratings that prove people are they like layers and power forwards and physicality and not just dunks and threes. What do you do to solve that? Because I think you've engaged with people and acknowledged it can be a bit repetitive. It is a bit of an issue. What do we do to change it?
Adam Silver
The hardest question is the last one you asked. What do we do to change it? I agree to the extent that you start to see very similar offenses around the league. Teams have brands, teams have identity. Joe Dumars is a colleague now at the league office. The bad boys, et cetera. I think you know, the Showtime Lakers. So I recognize that the extent that offenses start to look very similar, we lose that. At the same time, the league is going through a transformation. Just as you said, players like Victor Wembanyama, players like, you know, Jokic are doing things Big Ben never did historically. I mean it wasn't that long ago. Colin, you'll remember that conversations you had with David Stern. We would bemoan the lack of skill among some players that, you know, there, there was a sense, there was too much physicality.
Co-host
Yes.
Adam Silver
That the play under the bat, you know, that, that you would have, you know, the Hacker Shack era, you know, there were big men that just couldn't shoot free throws. There are no big men anymore who can't shoot free throws. Just as one comparable from generation to generation have never been higher. So I think we just got to be careful. Like the one thing want to do is I don't want to sort of knee jerk move the three point line. We're sort of going through a process now seeing how these players are adapting to the new rules and figuring out if whatever changes we should make. I mean, be honest, I wish it were as simple as just moving the three point line back because then we would just do it. I mean part of the concern from the basketball folks is that if you move the three point line back, you'll end up sort of just clogging up, you know, the sort of the area under the basket. And that's not such attractive basketball either. I think this is doable. I think we, by examining the game and sort of seeing where it's going. I mean it frustrates me a little as well because it's obviously you're representative of how what a fair number of people are saying about the game and I watch it night in, night out and we're seeing some of the most incredible athleticism and skill in the history of this league. Oh yeah, again, Victor Wembanyama. But you, I think you're also saying too that if we move the three point line back and what we ended up with was Victor Wembanyama standing under the basket the whole time and just waiting to dunk. That wouldn't be interesting either.
Co-host
Right, right.
Adam Silver
So. So you know, one, I assure you we are on it. I think it's a very fixable issue. I mean it's, you know, we've gone from. I mean I always tell the story like Bob Cousy who I don't know, he's around 95 years old, still stays in touch with me and he'll call me after watching a game and say, I'm so frustrated because the commentators think that what these players are doing, let's say from 28ft or 30ft and seemingly just flicking the ball up with their wrists and swishing these three pointers, that somehow that's easy. He said the skill level is incredible. But he'll also say, you know, I think we all want to see diversity in the offenses. But by the way, one other thing I'll just throw in. I don't think the players are getting enough credit for playing the style defense they're playing now as well. So it's an incredible game. I know you love the game. It's the number one participation sport in the United States. You mentioned Caitlin Clark. It's incredible to see what the women are now doing on the floor and the amount of young girls who are playing this game. So as stewards of the game, Joe Dumars leads our competition committee here. You know, we will tweak it, we will correct those issues.
Co-host
So years ago, I had President Barack Obama on a couple times and one of the things I offered him, I said, you're the first president in my life that's had to deal with social media and the vile nature of it. It may not change policy, but does it change the discussions in the briefing rooms before you go out? Does it change the way perhaps you think of policy because we're in a tribal nation, it's very loud. So along those lines, I love George Brett as a baseball player. As a kid, Kansas City Royals, George Brett often missed 30 games in a season. Nobody thought it was load management. Right. We live in a different time. Platforms call it out and tickets are more expensive. So it does bother me. I'm a small town kid. I went once a year to see downtown Freddie Brown, Gus Williams, Dennis Johnson, Jack Sikma. If they didn't play, that was the game I got. And I can see that little kid in Milwaukee, middle class family go. And Giannis could play, but he doesn't. Is it a bigger pro? I think it's a problem. Do you view it as being sort of platformed up by loud voices or does the league look at this and think, you know, our middle class fans, they go to one game a year, they're not corporate stewards and that they want to go and see their stars play? I think it's serious. Do you in the league think it is a problem that is, is, is something you want to solve.
Adam Silver
We so much think it's a problem that in the last collective bargaining agreement, you may recall, we added some provisions to further incentivize players to play as many games as they possibly can by making them ineligible for certain awards, certain benefits, if they fall below a certain level of games. Having said that, to your point, you know, and I'm never going to shoot the messenger in terms of whether it's social media or the media, it's a real issue. And how can you know, for that family for that one time that they're going to go see the Bucks or the Lakers or the Knicks or whatever else? I completely understand their point of view. The problem is as much as we are an 82 game league, I mean, take LeBron for example. Okay, LeBron has missed, I think, three games so far this season. Yeah, he's 40 years old. He has the most minutes in NBA history and he's missed, I think, three out of, let's say, 37 games so far. I think that's incredible. Now for the family that went to the Laker game of one of those three games, I understand their disappointment and I know he does as well. You know, it's with it, with it, with a season as long as we have, by the way, and whether, whether it's because load management or an injury, it's still the same impact on that family. And all I can say is we've worked with our teams, we're working a lot on the science. I think, incidentally, you don't hear load management so much around the league anymore, because I think we've dispelled that notion that it's somehow through some analytics or a computer program that on November 12, you can make a decision that a player should sit out on December 20, which is what was going on in the league. And in fact, my understanding at least of the data that's come in so far, it may even be the case that some of the early, early season injuries are caused by players not having enough load. Because even. Thank you, thank you again, again. You know, it's fascinating. Like when I got to the league a little over 30 years ago, a lot of players would take the month of August and like literally go fishing. You know, they would chill out and they would, they would like eat a little bit more, gain a little bit of weight. They'd come into training camp and that's when you got back into shape and you'd lose those pounds and you'd play your way and train and practice back into game shape. Now there's not. There's hardly a player in the league that isn't working out every single day. Guys even go to the finals, they take a day off, they're back on the floor. But often it's specialized one on one training. It's weight room work, whatever it is. It's not five on five basketball because. And a lot of it, in fairness, these players, and that's what frustrates me too, because they don't take a day off. They're some of the hardest working athletes out there. But then they have it in their head that they're more likely to get injured if they're playing five on five basketball.
Co-host
Yeah.
Adam Silver
So. Yeah, right. So then they come back into training camp and it's still not necessarily five on five. There's the preseason again, minutes are limited. Then boom, the regular season comes and at least I can't say it's perfect. I know it's causation yet, but there's certainly correlation early in the season that you see those guys and it's interesting. It used to be we would hear from teams that you're going to injure our players if they play for USA Basketball, the US national team, the Olympic team or the national teams, you know, from the countries they're from. In fact, it's the opposite. We have fewer injuries and maybe not surprisingly from the guys who participate in competition over the summer because the load is maintained, they're not overdoing it. You know, I mean I. But you know, they come back and there's that the consistency of the load, you know, throughout the off season. So I think this is an area too where better data, you know, AI is changing everything. Where we're going to be in a position, I think where we can convince the teams and convince the players that actually playing is in their interest. But unfortunately we're never going to be able to completely solve that issue for that family that comes to that game and is disappointed. I will say just lastly, it maybe speaks a little bit to the data that were coming off last year. In the entire history of the NBA, it was our highest attendance and I'm sure, I mean I read that market, no doubt the highest ticket prices too. So I will say yes, there are fans disappointed but people love the NBA experience, they love going to the games. I understand when there's a particular star you're interested, but also we've never been deeper in terms of the talent to 450 players in the league.
Co-host
Okay, I'm gonna ask you a couple quick ones because I know you're a busy guy, much busier than me, and these can. These can require shorter answers. So one of the. The iPhone has changed everything. Our society is more caffeinated, more distracted and more frenetic. Hockey, regular season, baseball, regular season, NBA regular season, it's just harder to get ratings. Events, UFC on Saturday, college football, NFL Olympics, World cup events get excellent ratings. It's not necessarily the fault of a league if there's a decline in Monday through Friday. And as I look and read stories about the decline of ratings, my take is it's an iPhone issue. It's not baseball. Until Ohtani and the Dodgers put up basically the best, most talented team ever. The Dodgers had great ratings. Is that, can you just, is it just possible that, hey, we have contracts that limit the number of games we can be reduced to. We don't want to make one and done like college basketball. Is that your regular season ratings, they don't matter that much because I just saw your new TV deals and that the media makes a bigger deal of. The truth is we're good when it matters in May and June, and that's just a new world.
Adam Silver
Yeah, you asked me to answer shorter, so I'll try to be. There's so there's so much that can be said on this. So first of all, this season, just to set the record straight, we're up about 4% on ESPN and ABC. If you add TNT into the mix, we're down slightly 3 or 4% for the season. That's our rating story so far. We're coming off last season where it was our highest regular season ratings in four years. But the issue is, especially for a sport like the NBA, where we have a very young fan base. Young men.
Co-host
Yes.
Adam Silver
Young women, cable, as you know, and I'm sure it has an impact on your show as well, that since you last interviewed me, you know, five plus years, there's been yet another dramatic increase in the number of people who subscribe. I'll call it traditional television, cable, satellite television, or who watch traditional television. So much so that from a decade ago, it's like 50% fewer people watch traditional television. In fact, last year, the lines crossed. More people are now watching programming on streaming services than they are through legacy conventional television. So back to the iPhone. So those deals you talked about that we just entered into for next year. Part of the reason, I believe, in addition to the sport itself, that we're able to provide so much value is every one of those new Partners, Disney and espn, NBC Universal, Peacock, and of course, Amazon provide their games through streaming. Maybe in the case of NBC, it's also broadcast, or Disney, ABC and espn. But every single game beginning next season is going to be available on a streaming service. And then, you know, burden on or onus on us then that we know now there's the opportunity to watch this programming on those screens, on those TVs they carry everywhere they go. But I think as a result, we have to up our game, too. So they're adding more games of consequences, the colored floors you joked about before for the NBA Cup. So that gets people's attention. But beyond that, the really exciting thing to me about moving to streaming services, which are, in essence, Internet television, you can add all kinds of incredible functionality, customization, personalization. People want to bet on games, they can do it. People want to buy merchandise. They're fascinated with a particular camera angle, or they want an audio feed that. That is directed at hardcore fans or casual fans. So I think, and this isn't just the case for the NBA, I think for all the leagues, that the competition is that much greater than it used to be. And so we have to do a better job engaging our fans in these games.
Co-host
Okay? I promise. I know your PR people are probably saying, get coward out of here.
Adam Silver
Ignore them.
Co-host
Thank you. Okay, there's another one. So this really bothers Jason McIntyre. I think he really has been on this for two years. He's been very publicly critical of Barkley, banging on the league. And my take is I'll just. I'll cut to the chase. Have you ever called that show's executives or Charles and said, charles, could you. Could you not beat down on us every night? That there are those that believe it takes a negative tact or tone on a fairly consistent basis. I don't think it affects the ratings. I think their entertainment show, but I don't see the research you do. Have you contacted them? At one point, said, you guys are a little negative.
Adam Silver
Never, ever, ever. And the only contact I've ever had with them, and it would have been with Ernie, is occasionally Ernie and I will talk and he'll say, we're going to be discussing some aspect of the salary cap or, you know, the cba. And it'll like, just give me a primer on what the rules are so that if somebody says something that is factually wrong, I'm in a position to correct them. But so that's just on facts, never on opinion. And I'll go one step further. I mean, as you know, you know, we didn't continue our relationship with Turner Sports that produces Inside the NBA.
Co-host
Right.
Adam Silver
But we just got a deal done with ESPN and Turner Sports to move that very show to ESPN and abc.
Co-host
Yeah.
Adam Silver
And I'll go a step further. And I love Jason, by the way. Jason, thank you for being a fan. That I think in this case they are unique. I think sometimes others who are more critical, I won't say names, but will get our equivalent of viewer male. And people say, why is this guy commentating or announcing on the NBA when it seems that he doesn't even like the league? And I think that's a fair point. If you think somebody's that negative.
Co-host
Yeah.
Adam Silver
And to me, there's always a tradition in the NFL where almost all the announcers, to me, seem to celebrate the game.
Co-host
Yeah.
Adam Silver
In the case of that panel, Charles, Kenny, Shaq, of course, Ernie, I always have the sense that when they are critical, it's your uncle at the Thanksgiving Day table. You know, this is, it's. It's the family. They have the credibility. Because I also hear, I don't call them, but I hear from players in the league or teams in the league or say, ah, like they're our partner, like, why are they saying those things? And I think Charles is special. By the way, there's a reason that show has won close to, I think, two dozen Emmys. And so I think it generates more interest in the league. And to the extent that next year that show will be featured on ESPN and ABC and more people will have the opportunity to see it, I think that's very positive for the league.
Co-host
Well, this was fun. And I do appreciate you not eating during the interview because I love David, but it was a tuna sandwich every time he came on with me. And what's his favorite? Yeah, I found that I discovered that over several years. A real pleasure. If you're ever in la, I'd love to have you. I think this kind of stuff is important. I like to poke and prod, and I just appreciate you answering the questions.
Adam Silver
Yeah. Colin. And I wish I had asked this at the top of the interview. How are you guys doing with everything that's going on out there?
Co-host
I gotta tell you, it's the most devastating thing I've ever seen. Los Angeles, as you know, is a community with a very diverse community. People come here and chase their dreams, and it feels like a lot of dreams have been shattered by a lot of really great people in a lot of industries. But I have seen giving at a level that is heartwarming from outside of Los Angeles. And in Los Angeles, people have opened their doors. Very encouraging by citizens of Los Angeles.
Adam Silver
Yeah. I'll just say, you know, I was just with some of the Lakers and Clippers executives at some meetings. And first of all, I think, you know, the Clippers at the Intuit Dome are going to do, you know, a huge concert with the Azol family to rent money. You know, in addition, you know, I've been on the phone with JJ Redick. Of course, he lost his house. He was explaining to me how the community center, the rec center where his son was playing burns the ground. So the league is going to come up with a program with the Lakers and Clippers to help rebuild the community. So, you know, again, the images are just horrific that we're seeing from East Coast. I'm very sorry.
Co-host
Yeah, terrifying. But there's a lot of really good people in this state, in this city. Adam Silver, the Commissioner of the NBA, who presides, by the way, over five different sport leagues, sports leagues, NBA, WNBA, G League, NBA, 2K basketball, African League, thank you so much for taking time for us. You, I told before this show, I said, listen, do we, can I get 18 minutes? You gave us 29. I am indebted and thank you so much.
Adam Silver
Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you.
Co-host
All right, J. Mack, I waited to the end to ask the question about Charles Barkley. I kept watching you, but I did ask that question. Adam Silver, thank you so much for joining us on the show.
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Co-host
All right, here we go. Not that many games. I'm picking four. Fire away. That's a hot one.
Producer
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Co-host
Fire it up.
Producer
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Co-host
Listen, I don't love 8 1/2, but I'm going to swallow it. I'm going to lay it and take Kansas City. Two of their last three wins have come by 10 plus points. Undefeated at home, 13 and 4 off a buy under Andy Reid. And they don't give the ball away anymore. Seven straight games without a giveaway. CJ Stroud has never been the same quarterback on the road. Warm weather team in really cold weather. And I also think the Texans benefited from those interceptions against Justin Herbert. That's not going to happen. They're missing their two of their top three receivers. Joe Mitchell. Rickson's banged up and if you look at C.J. stroud on the road versus teams that made the playoffs in his career.05 passer rating at 71. I think the Chiefs win by nine. I wish the number was better.32, 21. Take Kansas City, Rams and Eagles. It's my favorite bet of the weekend. I like Philadelphia. Inclement weather is going to favor the best. Better O line, the better run game. I mean, they held the number eight scoring offense, packers, to 10 points in the wild card win. They have the number one offensive line and the number two rushing offense. And they're going to give it to Saquon Barkley, who's been on a heater seven of his last eight games, plus 100 yards. The Rams, listen. They took advantage of a battle line and they've got a very good defensive line. They were at home. Now it's a short week. They allowed 124 big, big plays this year, so you can beat him downfield. And let's be honest, Matt Stafford, in his career, rain and snow games one and eight, he is not the same quarterback. Eagles win 28, 20. Pull away in the second half.
Producer
Ravens at Bill.
Co-host
I like the Bills 90 at home. They lead the NFL with 13 games of 30 plus points. And they don't give the ball away. They're like. Like Kansas City. They're very clean. Fewest giveaways and fewest sacks allowed in the NFL season. Which is wild for how dynamic they are as an offense. Josh Allen's been a good playoff quarterback. Lamar Jackson, 3 and 4 in his playoff career. He's missing Zay Flowers, who may play but hasn't practiced. I gotta be honest. In a big playoff spot, Lamar's been a bit tense. He's gotten better, but a bit tense. A little angry, anxious. Josh Allen has been great. I just think. I think Buffalo, my guest today. I think Buffalo wins the Super Bowl. That's my take. I think this is the best version Josh Allen's had. I'm going to take the points and take Buffalo 28 to 24.
Producer
Ohio State versus Notre Dame.
Co-host
I'm taking the under 46 and a half. I'm going to stay away from the spread. These are unbelievable defenses. If you go look at Ohio State, they held Texas to 14 points. They held nine straight opponents to 21 points or fewer. And the Irish are missing a couple offensive linemen. We don't think they'll play. And their offense is okay. Notre Dame, meanwhile, lead the country with 33 takeaways. Unbelievably well coached on defense. Excellent secondary opposing quarterbacks had 12 passing touchdowns and 19 interceptions. They will Howard can lose his confidence. So Notre Dame and Ohio State, if you look at their defensive rankings this year, you're looking at creme de la creme. Points allowed, they were 1 and 2 passing yards allowed, 1 and 2. I don't think Notre Dame has the offensive firepower to win, but I'm going to take the under 46.5 points. DraftKings Sportsbook America's top rated sports though 200 bucks in bonus bets instantly betting just 5 the promo code is heard H E R D so I still can't believe the Buffalo Bills are getting points at home. And I know the wise guys like Baltimore and I know you can run the football on the Bills. I get that. But I'm gonna take a couple of big favorites to cover the Chiefs and Eagles take the under on Notre Dame.
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Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – "Best of the Week" (January 18, 2025)
The Herd with Colin Cowherd, hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume, offers a deep dive into the week's top sports stories with Colin Cowherd and his co-hosts. In the "Best of the Week" episode released on January 18, 2025, the hosts navigate through a variety of sports topics, including NFL coaching changes, team performances, college football insights, and a special interview with NBA Commissioner Adam Silver. This summary captures the essence of the discussions, notable quotes, and key insights shared throughout the episode.
The episode begins with Colin Cowherd promoting Amazon Prime and Uber Eats, highlighting their benefits for sports enthusiasts and game day preparations. While these segments primarily focus on advertisements, they set the stage for the sports-centric content to follow.
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The hosts delve into recent NFL developments, particularly focusing on Mike McCarthy's departure from the Cowboys and his prospects. Discussions include:
Mike McCarthy and the Cowboys:
Surprise Playoff Picks:
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A comprehensive ranking of the top 10 NFL teams is presented, with in-depth analysis of each team's strengths and weaknesses.
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Buffalo Bills (#1):
Kansas City Chiefs (#2):
Cincinnati Bengals (#10):
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A significant portion of the episode features an insightful conversation with Adam Silver, the Commissioner of the NBA. Topics covered include:
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NBA's Future and Fan Engagement:
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The co-host provides predictions and analyses for upcoming college football games, particularly focusing on Ohio State vs. Notre Dame.
The episode wraps up with final predictions for NFL and college football games, emphasizing the strengths of teams like the Buffalo Bills and the defensive prowess of Ohio State and Notre Dame.
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The "Best of the Week" episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd offers a thorough examination of the current sports landscape, blending team analyses, coaching insights, and league-wide discussions. The special interview with Adam Silver provides a rare glimpse into the strategic decisions shaping the NBA, while the NFL team rankings and college football predictions offer listeners valuable perspectives for the ongoing seasons. Overall, the episode serves as a comprehensive resource for sports enthusiasts seeking informed opinions and in-depth analysis.
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This summary encapsulates the main discussions and insights from the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened to the podcast.