Best of the Week on The Herd

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Herd with Colin Cowherd – "Best of the Week on The Herd"

Release Date: August 9, 2025
Host: Colin Cowherd
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Description: A thought-provoking, opinionated, and topic-driven journey through the top sports stories of the day.

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Introduction

The episode kicks off with Colin Cowherd returning energized from vacation, welcoming back guests Matt Hassell and Diana Rossini. He sets the stage for a dynamic discussion on the latest NFL developments, particularly focusing on emerging quarterbacks and team strategies.

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NFL Quarterbacks Analysis

Where Colin Was Right

• Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys (05:14 - 05:58):

  • Colin: "Jerry Jones once again has mangled a contract situation. I said this a couple of years ago... I don't like where Dallas is headed and it's all on Jerry."
  • Colin criticizes Jerry Jones for his management style, comparing the Cowboys unfavorably to the Raiders during Al Davis's era. He argues that Jones’s powerful control is detrimental, leading to poor trade decisions and weakening the team's competitive edge in the NFC.

• J.J. McCarthy’s Performance (07:06 - 07:51):

  • Colin: "JJ McCarthy, according to Kevin Seifert... accuracy a bit of issue in the red zone. Jeremy Fowler... working a lot on touch."
  • Colin emphasizes concerns about McCarthy’s accuracy and decision-making under pressure, suggesting that his performance may not meet the high expectations set during his draft.

• Luka Dončić’s Improvement (08:34 - 09:27):

  • Colin: "Luka Dončić is in the best shape of his career... I think he's going to have an unbelievable season."
  • Colin praises Luka Dončić for his physical conditioning and anticipates a stellar performance, attributing his improvement to his disciplined offseason and the new ownership of the Lakers.

Where Colin Was Wrong

• Jimmy Haslam and the Shadoud Sanders Draft Pick (06:00 - 06:33):

  • Colin: "Jimmy Haslam says the Shadoud Sanders draft pick... I don't get it."
  • Colin questions Haslam’s handling of the Sanders draft pick, criticizing the decision to draft additional quarterbacks in later rounds, which he sees as unnecessary and potentially disruptive to the team’s dynamics.

• Tennessee Titans’ Receiving Core (07:53 - 08:32):

  • Colin: "Traylon Burks, apparently Cam Ward... arguably the weakest receiving core in the NFL."
  • Colin expresses unwarranted pessimism about the Titans’ receiving trio, underestimating the potential of their players despite their current performance challenges.

• Indiana Fever’s Performance Without Caitlin Clark (09:31 - 09:56):

  • Colin: "Indiana Fever... in a five game winning streak with no Caitlin Clark."
  • Colin incorrectly assesses the Indiana Fever’s resilience and depth, overlooking the significant contributions of Sophie Cunningham in Clark’s absence, who has been pivotal in maintaining their strong record.

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Interview Segment: Philip Rivers (16:08 - 34:00)

Colin engages in an in-depth conversation with former NFL quarterback Philip Rivers, now the head coach at St. Michael Catholic High School in Alabama.

Key Discussion Points:

• Legacy and Coaching Philosophy (16:08 - 21:00):

  • Colin: "I have a theory... playing at a school like NC State instead of Ohio State gives quarterbacks real-life NFL experience."
  • Philip Rivers: "The process made that part so special... It's more than just the X's and O's."
  • Rivers emphasizes the importance of real-game experience and a focus on personal development over mere technical training.

• Natural Talent vs. Coaching (21:00 - 28:03):

  • Colin: "Can you teach innate abilities like seeing the field?"
  • Philip Rivers: "Some things are God-given... accuracy, anticipation... you can't make vast improvements."
  • They discuss the balance between inherent talent and the role of coaching in developing a quarterback's skills, agreeing that certain traits are innate and cannot be fully taught.

• Antonio Gates and Team Dynamics (28:03 - 31:33):

  • Colin: "Antonio Gates makes a hall of fame... how did you recognize his unique abilities?"
  • Philip Rivers: "He had a unique ability to understand body position... he was ultimately coverable."
  • Rivers shares insights into recognizing and nurturing exceptional talent, using Gates as a prime example of how understanding and leveraging unique skills can lead to legendary careers.

• Gunner Rivers and the Next Generation (31:33 - 34:00):

  • Colin: "Your son, Gunner Rivers, is poised to be a top quarterback... how do you view his development?"
  • Philip Rivers: "The game has changed so much... he's in unbelievable shape."
  • Rivers discusses his son Gunner's promising career, highlighting modern training methods and the advantages of growing up in a highly competitive football environment.

Notable Quotes:

• Philip Rivers (17:54): "The passion and the fire and the intensity was genuine... it was about the game."
• Colin Cowherd (28:03): "There is nothing, no substitute for playing. You have to play."

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Additional Segments

Greg Cosell Segment (38:51 - 57:15):

Colin previews an upcoming segment featuring Greg Cosell, a respected sports journalist, discussing Arch Manning’s potential decision to enter the NFL.

• Arch Manning’s Future (39:17 - 43:15):
  • Colin critiques the media narrative surrounding Arch Manning's college decisions, comparing him to his illustrious family legacy.
  • Discussion on the balance between maintaining authenticity and meeting franchise expectations as a young quarterback enters the professional arena.

Personal Opinions on Quarterback Personalities (43:15 - 55:12):

Colin shares his strong opinions on the personalities of young quarterbacks, arguing that the NFL imposes unfair standards on their behavior compared to other athletes.

• Expectations vs. Reality (43:12 - 55:12):
  • Colin: "It's totally unfair that at 23 years old... you have to be 23 going on 43."
  • Critiques the expectation for quarterbacks to exhibit extreme professionalism and maturity, contrasting with the more relaxed standards for other athletes and professions.
  • Highlights examples of quarterbacks like Jalen Hurts and Brock Purdy, praising their maturity and work ethic despite youthful personas.

Notable Quotes:

• Colin Cowherd (45:02): "It's not fair. I don't want my quarterbacks to be, as Miles Garrett said, fun, lighthearted. I'm not interested in lighthearted at all."
• Philip Rivers (41:29): "His work ethic is incredible. Whether it's studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook."

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Conclusion

The episode wraps up with a reinforcement of key points discussed, emphasizing the importance of talent recognition, coaching, and personal development in sports. Colin highlights the impending interview with Greg Cosell and encourages listeners to stay tuned for more insightful sports analysis.

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Notable Quotes with Attribution and Timestamps

• Colin Cowherd (05:14): "Jerry Jones once again has mangled a contract situation."
• Philip Rivers (17:54): "The passion and the fire and the intensity was genuine... it was about the game."
• Colin Cowherd (28:03): "There is nothing, no substitute for playing. You have to play."
• Colin Cowherd (43:12): "It's totally unfair that at 23 years old... you have to be 23 going on 43."
• Philip Rivers (41:29): "His work ethic is incredible. Whether it's studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" offers a comprehensive analysis of current NFL topics, blending critical insights with personal anecdotes. The interview with Philip Rivers provides valuable perspectives on coaching and player development, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts seeking in-depth commentary on the latest in football.

Transcript

[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Let's get this party started.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

[Colin Cowherd]

Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday. Matt Hassell back to three time pro Boulder in five minutes. Diana Rossini stops by as well. It is great to be back from vacay. J. Mac and I are rolling and ready to go. NFL games. Now they start filtering in little video quarterbacks, where are we going? You know what's, what's interesting to me, I was talking to my buddy John Middlekop who's been on this show before. Is that the guy lost in all this? Because we know that Jaden Daniels is, is and Bo Nicks are working. Drake May looks really, really solid. Caleb we're gonna have our eyes on and JJ McCarthy we're gonna have our eyes on in all of this. Michael Penix is quietly in the deep south in Atlanta and nobody's talking about him. Where are you on Penix today if you had to guess?

[Unknown Guest]

Well it's funny, I, I'm lining up all my bets when I go to Vegas. The season long stuff. I have the Falcons in the playoffs. I had them winning the division. I'm going to be taking Pennocks in fantasy. I think he's got a lot of value in that offense. Colin, we only saw a few games of him last year. Remember the Washington game that was nip and tuck until the end and they ended up losing. But it was like I saw some things from Penix. I think he's going to be good. I'm a buyer of the Atlanta Falcons.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, no, no, I think I said this before. I think he's a bigger, stronger Tua left hander, beautiful ball downfield, bigger arm, bigger athlete, can move but you don't necessarily want him to because of previous injuries.

[Unknown Guest]

Tua actually has a better coach though in Mike Mc Daniel. You kind of just destroyed McDaniel for like 10 minutes. I thought it was out of bounds and unwarranted but nevertheless if you give Pennix an offensive guy like McDaniel, oh, oh look out.

[Colin Cowherd]

I'm not anti Mike McDaniel. I'm three years into it. I was told it was revolutionary with all the motion and flashing. They're 28 and 23 in a division with the jets and the Patriots.

[Unknown Guest]

He made the playoffs twice. He took two of the playoffs but Tua got hurt and Tua keeps getting hurt and then they make the playoffs and oh no, they lost to the Chiefs in Arrowhead in the playoffs. I mean geez, a lot of shame in that one in like negative 30 degrees or guys were losing fingers in the stand. So like I, I thought you were extremely harsh on McDaniel. Remember, he's Yale educated. Colin.

[Colin Cowherd]

Oh, okay. So are a lot of our bad presidents. I mean, I did all right. Colin right. Colin wrong on Monday. Here we go.

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Where Colin was right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Jerry Jones once again has mangled a contract situation. I said this a couple years ago with Jerry. The Cowboys are starting to feel like the Raiders when Al Davis aged. Al lost his fastball, I think. I think Jerry has lost his fastball and has too much power in the organization. The old saying, all hat, no cattle. Jerry tells us he's a great businessman, but he keeps getting taken to the cleaners by players and Micah. Now what are you gonna do? Trade him? Now what are you gonna do? You could have traded him last year and gotten multiple players that could help you now in the NFC as it strengthens as a conference. I don't like where Dallas is headed and it's all on Jerry.

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Where Colin was wrong.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, Jimmy, I don't know if I believe him, but Jimmy Haslam says the Shadour Sanders draft pick. Hey, I didn' do that. That was all on Andrew Barry. And to that I would say, why would you draft when you had Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco, why would you draft two more quarterbacks in the third and fifth round? I don't get it. But at least Jimmy Haslam is saying the right things publicly, which is, hey, I didn't have anything to do with the draft pick.

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Where Colin was right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I won't beat on it too much more. But Tyreek Hill said last one of the Dolphins running backs shouldn't be a short yardage tailback. On Sunday, Mike McDaniel said, yeah, he isn't. We worked on that. So there. There appears to be a gap this offseason between Tyreek and Tua, Tyreek and the team and Tyreek and Mike McDaniels. And we've always said a lot more sizzle than actual state with that acquisition.

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Where Colin was right.

[Colin Cowherd]

J.J. mcCarthy, according to Kevin Seifert, respected reporter at ESPN, accuracy a bit of an issue in the red zone. Jeremy Fowler, another respected reporter, saying they're having to work a lot on touch. Everything is a fastball. I don't know how good JJ McCarthy is, but I never bought into the narrative that multiple teams were going to move up in the draft to get him. I've heard the opposite, is that there were real concerns that JJ McCarthy had been led by a great coach, a great defense, a great run game in college and never really had to lead inferior talent, which is what Happens in the NFL if you're a lottery quarterback.

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Where Colin was wrong.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah, I may have to temper my Tennessee Titan predictions. They just got rid of their first round receiver a couple of years ago. Traylon Burks, apparently Cam Ward. Last couple of practices, four picks. Cam Ward admits we're really right now. Very mid is what he called his offense between Tyler Lockett, Calvin Ridley and Van Jefferson. Now no Burks, it's arguably the weakest receiving core in the NFL. I do get two more revisions on my NFL predictions. So I I may have to scale back on the Titans.

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Where Colin was right.

[Colin Cowherd]

Luka Dontich, men's health in the best shape of his career. This is what I've said about Luca. Defense and being in great shape are all about wanting to. Do you want to be a great defender? Do you want to be in great shape? When did Luca get in the best shape of his career? His first year as a rookie when he wanted to impress. And now the Lakers have new owners. This is why I've said he's a much better version of Carmelo Anthony. I don't worry about his game. I think he's going to have an unbelievable season. Does he have the want? LeBron, Kobe, Michael, they were great defenders because they wanted to be great defenders. So he breaks into the NBA, we're like, wow, this guy's amazing. And increasingly gets in worse shape. Lakers have new owners. He has an offseason now. Once again, he's in unbelievable shape.

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Where Colin was wrong, the Indiana Fever.

[Colin Cowherd]

Are on a heater. All of it without Caitlin Clark. Gotta be honest, she is a great player. But Sophie Cunningham's been on fire, hitting threes yesterday. They're in a five game winning streak with no Caitlin Clark. So in fact, Kalin, this year between injuries and struggling has not been Caitlin Clark. And Indiana still has the fifth best.

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Record in the league where Colin was right.

[Colin Cowherd]

What do you know? The Celtics minority owner is buying the Connecticut sun for $325 million. I had said this two weeks ago. Yes. Merch up a thousand percent. TV ratings, attendance. This league and it's got issues like it's officiating, like its inability to handle Caitlin Clark. Well, but is it a buy as a stock? Absolutely. I don't care about the last 25 years. Merch, TV ratings, attendance, all up at least a hundred percent. It's absolutely a buy as a sports franchise. I felt this way five years ago about the mls. I feel that now and so do one of the Boston Celtics minority owners.

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[Philip Rivers]

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[Colin Cowherd]

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[Colin Cowherd]

Well, I've been thinking about this interview last couple of days. They told me, I get Philip Rivers, who was so animated as a player, first round pick by the Giants, traded for Eli Manning on draft day, and they both end up having absolutely remarkable careers. He is now the football coach and has been for several years in Alabama at St. Michael Catholic. His son now is the quarterback and a good one. Philip Rivers is now joining us live today. You know, I gotta tell the audience, I don't, I've never seen your son play, but his name is Gunner Rivers and I'm telling you right now, that's a franchise quarterback name. I would draft him sight unseen on that, just on the name. Now, you were a trash talker and you had a different delivery. Does he have your kind of sidearm delivery? Is he a little trash talker? Does he, does he have some of the Philip Rivers classic traits?

[Philip Rivers]

Hey, Colin, how's it going? Yeah, no, he, he definitely, he definitely has some of the same traits. He's a little more traditional throwing the football than, than I, than I was. But a lot of people see him throw and go, dang, you throw just like your dad. So he has a little bit of that. I guess it's just genetic. And then he's a little more reserved than I am. He has the fire and passion for the game, but I think he's got his mom's calmness, which, which will probably serve him well.

[Colin Cowherd]

I think everybody, very few people had your intensity on the field. You know what's amazing? You were a trash talker, but players, even opponents, loved you. Did you think your intensity, you're obviously talented. Did you think your passion and intensity was your best trait?

[Philip Rivers]

It was, it was probably one of them. And I think, you know, I had to, had to. I had to a little bit toe the line. I probably crossed the line a few times. You know, I think there's a, there's a, there's a, you know, a line that you don't want to cross to where you maybe are not helping yourself or your team. So I'm sure that I didn't always keep that in check. But I do think that the passion and the fire and the intensity was genuine. I don't think. I know it was genuine and I do think it was felt by our teammates and in some regard helped, you know, fuel kind of our personality and our, you know, resiliency and how we, how we went about the game. And then you mentioned our opponents. I mean, I hope, you know, you gain, you obviously gain respect of your opponent overdoing it for a long period of time. So maybe not early on, but I think as time grew, you gained that respect and they realized, man, this dude loves to play football. And that's really all it was as a guy playing football in the backyard. And I just never let that leave me. Although we were playing, you know, in front of, you know, a million people there on a Sunday afternoon.

[Colin Cowherd]

You know, the, you told me one time, and I've used this whenever I give a speech, I always say the great Philip Rivers told me he liked the process of building the game plan as much as the game. And can you instill that in your son or a young quarterback? Or do you think that was just your dad was a football coach? Do you think that's God given and innate that you loved practice? I can you. If you, if a guy. Some of these quarterbacks, I think like the game. I'm not sure they love practice. Can you teach that or did you feel that was just in you from day one?

[Philip Rivers]

Well, I, I do think that there was a, some of that that was just in me. But I think you gotta, you better grow to, to, to love it, to love the process, especially playing this position, you know, if you want to be great and, and you know, and maybe I didn't get to get to great, but I know I was pretty dang good for a long time. And I don't think you can get there if you just think you're going, you know, show up and go out there and play for three and a half hours on a Sunday afternoon. And so the, the, you know, the, the process of every day and the chance to be on the grass with your buddies practicing football, you know, and sitting in a meeting room and figuring out you blitz patterns and Rex Ryan's blitz patterns and all these and like figuring out how we're going to get this thing picked up to throw a touchdown to Antonio Gates. I mean, that's, that's that's what, that's a blast. Or even a third down conversion versus Zimmers, you know, a double mug scheme. I mean those things were so fun to work on all week. And then when it came to in a game, you know, there were some, some of the most gratifying plays on a Sunday afternoon were the ones the fans didn't even realize. But it was the, but the behind the scenes preparations, you know, and it's those, those, the Saturday morning walkthroughs, the bus rides, all those things that lead up to the game. I certainly play. I loved the games and running out of the tunnel and all those things that I used to ask my mom and dad, hey, introduce me. You know, I'm coming out and we're playing so ever, you know, whoever. And they would introduce me and I'd come running out down the hall, you know, getting introduced. So I loved that part. I'll be clear on that. But it was the process that made that part so special and so. But I just don't know how you play quarterback and don't. Aren't all in on the process if you're trying to be, you know, trying to be, you know, one of the.

[Colin Cowherd]

Best, you know, it's. I have said this, one of the things I do think you can become more accurate with coaching. I think your footwork can improve with coaching. But there is one thing that I just think is innate. Certain quarterbacks, Mahomes, you could see this instantly. Patrick can see the field. He just sees the field. You did, Breeze did. Brady obviously did. And then I'll watch some young guys and I'm like, I don't know if they, I don't know if they can see it like there. And I know there's a film study. Did you get. Did you always have that because you were a good high school college coach? The ability to. And I've heard this said about you and I've heard this said about Peyton and Brady that when a play was over you could look at the right side of the field and yet you knew what was going on and could see the left side of the field without staring at it. And the great quarterbacks have this innate ability. They just. There's a rhythm to the secondary. And I guess my question is, are there. Can you teach that you had an innate feel for the position? Are there some things, Philip, that aren't teachable?

[Philip Rivers]

Yeah, I mean I think that. I think yes. I mean I think there's certain things that are and talents that so many guys have in so many different positions that are God given ability. And you can, like you said, I agree 100%. You know, we got to clean up some footwork, we got to clean up some fundamentals. We can clean up how you're reading this, maybe your eyes are just in the wrong place, but there are some things, you know, being able to have to be accurate, you can work on accuracy. Some people just, they can throw all day long and they just aren't very accurate. And you know, accuracy, anticipation and to be able to see it all and process it fast, definitely you can improve it, but you're probably in a window, you know, someone that can't do that, you can't get them to an elite level. Someone that's pretty dang good at it. Maybe you can get them to really good at it, but you can't. I don't think you can. There's. There's certain parts of playing the position that you can't make vast improvements. And some guys, like you mentioned Mahomes and you know, we could go on and on of talking about guys, they're at a certain level already that they are able to process and do those things, coached or not coached. And then now you throw in Andy Reid and some of the other coaches he's had and now and the experience that he's gained and then you can take him to an even, even higher level. But he was already, you know, pretty dang elite at it. So I do agree, I do agree with you on those things. And you know, it's funny because. And everybody has their process. You know, me and Drew were teammates. We got to connect this weekend. It was great to see Drew and we had such a different process in terms of our daily routine, but yet they were both, they both worked and, and there's some similarities. But I say that to, not to mention this about Drew, but just we all have our different routines. But I used to, I wasn't big looking at the iPad off the, you know, coming off the field now I would go look at it to see or see the pictures to confirm maybe, or dang, maybe they fooled me. I need to go see it. But a lot of times, you know, it was kind of a running joke. I'd say I saw it live, guys. I just saw it live. I don't need to come back over here and look at it again. Crap. I know I should have gone the other way. You know, so and again. And that went in an arrogant way. It was just I saw live, you know, and so certainly I use those tools as needed over there. But yeah, there is definitely some of that. And I say it in humility because shoot, I threw it to the other team, shoot 200 times or however many times. So I certainly make all right decisions. But I feel like I did have that ability to see it and process it quickly and throw with anticipation and be accurate.

[Colin Cowherd]

So I have this. I wrote about this in my first book. I've had this theory forever that most of the great quarterbacks. At one point North Carolina State had three starting quarterbacks in the NFL and Cal had two or three and USC and Ohio State had none. That there's an argument to be made that when you play at a North Carolina State or a Cal or a Miami of Ohio or a Purdue, that's real life in the NFL, you're getting hit, the windows are small. These USC guys are throwing to wide open wide receivers. You're not doing that at Duke, you're not doing that at NC State. That I think it was an advantage for you to go to NC State instead of an Ohio State because the NFL truth is discomfort. Nobody's that open. You don't get great protection, you're getting hit constantly. I used to joke, I remember Matt Leinert at USC one year he got sacked 11 times. He may have just fallen down half of those. He barely got touched that when I was. I'll give you an example. J.J. mcCarthy always played with a lead Michigan, a perfect offensive line. I worry about J.J. three years with Harbaugh or two years with Harbaugh. He barely got touched. Do you think there's an advantage getting beat up a little bit in college like Mahomes or Josh Allen, then going to the NFL?

[Philip Rivers]

I mean when you. Yeah, I'm sold based on that. That minute of you saying that. I never thought of it that way and I certainly didn't ever feel like I had inferior teammates those years at NC State. But there's a combination of that of yeah, maybe. And even more so maybe now you don't have the, you know, all the comparisons you made make perfect sense. But we felt like at NC State we were going to stick and win them all. You know, we thought we were going to win them all. So I say that with all due respect to certain teammates I had because I had many teammate you mentioned, the quarterbacks, you know, behind me, the great receiver Tory Holt, many teammates of mine that had long careers in the NFL. But yes, and I think too you get to play, you play more games. You know, I played in 51 college football games. So I definitely felt like even more equipped than had. You go to a place and you only play two years. You play 20 games and you play from a lead and you hand it off and you throw it 18 times. I mean, I threw 100. I threw 100 passes in my first two games at NC State with Norm Chao. So. But then, but you're right, though. You get to NFL. And I was in my first few first week or two of minicamp and. And we had some play on, I don't remember. And I didn't throw the ball. I got to the check down, didn't throw the deep cross or deep over. And. And Cam Cameron said, why didn't you throw it? And I said, he's not open. And he said, he's wide open. And I was like, dang. Okay. Like that's. There's the windows and the separation. So those things, those things are all true that you say now you take a Matt Leiner to J.J. mcCarthy, a guy that can come from those, you know, historic programs and they can still be. Have unbelievable NFL career be great. So it's not like you can't that way. But is there something to be said for the, you know, the Texas Techs and the Wyomings and NC States of the world? Maybe. Heck yeah. And, you know, I definitely think there's something to game experience and playing. There's no simul. There's nothing, no substitute for playing. You have to play.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah. So Antonio Gates makes a hall of Fame. Speaking of college, never played a college football snap. Take me to. It may have been a practice. When was the first moment you're at practice or somewhere with him and you went, who's that guy? Like you knew. How long did it take for you to identify? Whoa. People can't guard him. He's too big for linebackers. He's too, he's too strong for safeties. How long did it take?

[Philip Rivers]

Well, not long. I mean, I was in my rookie year and I had a front row seat my first two years, you know, with Drew and Gates. That would have been his, you know, he was a rookie the year before me. And so I got to see it. I got to see it from the sideline is, you know, those first two years. And he was one of those guys that, you know, we had a Gates rule. We had a Gates rule. We had, we had the, we had the progression for the play and based off the coverage. And then we said, okay, and this one is Gates rule. And it was. Which meant, hey, if he's singled up I don't care if the leverage is good for him, he's going to beat them anyway. And it was just that overrode that, that over, you know, the progression was then done. It was overridden by the gates rule. But he, he had a unique ability to, he was fast and big, but he had a unique ability to understand body position and getting hands off and attacking leverage and doing those things. And, and I, you know, he was always considered this basketball guy, basketball guy, guy. But I think what he did was he was very humble in saying, crap, I want to be a football guy and I got to learn all this, what is all these coverages and they're bracketing me and where's the help? And what. And once he learned that, then it was, then it was forget about it. And, and that's why he had that stretch, you know, seven or eight, nine year stretch. Obviously he played longer than that and his whole career was awesome, but he had that stretch where he was arguably, you know, just uncoverable.

[Colin Cowherd]

So finally your son, Gunner Rivers is, is. And you can look him up. He's going to be a, one of those top quarterbacks on all those recruiting things. So you're going to start hear him. Do you ever watch him and think, man, he does that a little better than dad did at his age. Is there, is there anything. You're just thinking, man, he may be, he maybe have a little better fastball than dad or he may, he may move a little better than dad.

[Philip Rivers]

Oh yeah, that happens. That happens more than you'd think. I think, I think too, the game has just changed so much. You know, you and I talked a little bit off air briefly, you know, 25 years ago. Just different, the game is just different than what it is now. There wasn't seven on sevens and you know, we didn't grow up playing flag football. I mean, me and Gunner and you know, we're playing flag football, playing against teams from Hawaii and Idaho and Arizona and all this when we were in California when he was 10 years old, you know, so you're getting, you're getting to practice that anticipation and accurate accuracy as a 10 year old. And so he's just, he's just thrown the football in a competitive environment a whole lot more because of the day and age of football that we're in. And you know, it's been fun. It's fun, it's fun to coach him and his teammates and be at this, be at the school and, and coach these guys up and you know, and again, remember the mission Is it's more than about the game. I remind these guys it's going to end for you at some point. Most of our guys, it's going to end when they graduate high school. And hopefully, you know, Gunner and he does have some teammates that can advance and play college football. But I remind them that even if you get to play for 17 years, it does stop and the clock will end. So it's got to be more than just the X's and O's. You got to learn those, those life lessons that you get from this great sport. And I'm hopeful that I can pass some of that down to these guys and help them be better men for been in the program.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, you're a class guy. One of my favorite players. 17 years, I was looking at some of your stats. 6 most. 421 career passing touchdowns, the sixth most in NFL history. 240 consecutive starts in the regular season. That is a lot of starts. Was there ever. Did you ever have a game day when you just felt like crud and started? Like, like, did you ever have. I mean, you obviously were not in perfect condition. Did you ever not know an hour before a game if you're going to start?

[Philip Rivers]

No, no. I know, but. But yes, many games where it felt like crud would be an understatement. But thankfully, I mean, again, this isn't me saying, wow, look how tough I was. I really was. I had a lot of. I was blessed with, with health and the ability to go out there every Sunday. I'll just leave it at that. But there were certain Sundays that weren't real fun physically, weren't real fun during the week to get there. But again, a lot of great guys up front fighting like crazy to keep me clean. And then you just have some injuries you have and you deal with them and, and you. There was the one, the one record that was one of my favorite growing up. You know, I mentioned the 51 starts in a row at NC State, which at a time, at that time was a record. I think it's been broken. And now These guys played 14, 15 games a year. But one of my favorite records is Brett Favre start street. And I remember watching that going, man, he's played how many in a row? Man, he's going to get to 300. And I remember just saying, again, this is just as a competitor, I'm going, I'm going to chase Brett Favre's record. I'm going to get there. And I didn't play those first two years as I sat behind Drew and I realized ultimately I couldn't get there. But by golly, I was going to find a way to be second, you know, and suit up and be out there if I could every week for our team. And, and I do think there's a, you know, the best ability, as Chuck Amato told us, the best ability is dependability. And that was one thing I was going to be. I was going to be out there. I was going to be out there every week. I was going to be out there every week and give it my all. And shoot, I know we fell short plenty of times, but they knew they could count on 17, get them everything they had for those 240 in a row.

[Colin Cowherd]

Well, my favorite interview in a long time. Philip Absolute pleasure, St. Michael Catholic High School in Alabama. He took over a program that didn't really exist. They just won their first playoff game last year. Congratulations to you and your program and they are lucky to have you as a coach. Thanks man.

[Philip Rivers]

Thanks Colin. Enjoyed it.

[Colin Cowherd]

Philip Rivers Great stories. Just impressive guy like he that there's a guy like there's a guy that he had some offensive lines that were a bit dubious. He took a few hits in his day and was always there. 240 consecutive starts in the regular season. That is a ton of we take a break Herdline News around the corner.

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It is Thursday and a great day. We are live and it is the Herd. Wherever here in August you are listening or watching, there's a lot of choices. Thanks for making us part of your day. Hey, we get Greg Cosell, we might as well start him now. Greg Cosell stops by in one hour from today. We put them on for about 20.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Early, middle and late. And Greg Cosell will join us in one hour. It's one of my favorite 15 minute segments every football season. We do it on Thursdays. J. Mac, you used to be in a business kind of a blogosphere and most of the on 99 of those things did not do well. And I remember when I started spotted your site I had told friends I said I I like the McIntyre site because you can tell he's like, he can break stories. He's like serious, he's not doing silly stuff like there's like serious stories here. I he it's sourced and I and I want to start my show talking about that because I it was one of the things I noticed before we had even met. A blogosphere can be just nonsense and whimsical and yours wasn't. You were breaking stories. And that's kind of a theme today for quarterback. So I saw this headline from Archie Manning and he says Arch will not turn pro next season. He'll be at Texas for the next two years. Yeah, that's what you have to say if he beats Ohio State and Columbus wins the Heisman or doesn't and gets into the national championship game, it would be really bad business to stay in college. And I know almost every Manning pretty well. They're good at business and they say the right thing when they have to. College sports for truly gifted athletes, like, like a Cooper flag. It's like that first really cool apartment you live in when you make a little money and you're like I'm never leaving this place. And then eventually you get a real job with a VP in the title and you don't want to share walls or the pool. And you. You forget about it really quickly. Arch Manning made 6.5 million last year at Texas Nil. Reportedly, cam Ward made 48.7, guaranteed number one pick. Arch, can I. Can I interest you in a $42 million loan? Hook. What?

[Philip Rivers]

Yeah.

[Colin Cowherd]

This is the classic Mannings saying the right thing. And a lot of times in society, I mean, I think the term is.

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[Colin Cowherd]

Woke. Well, you're just not being honest. You know, when you're really important, sometimes JD Vance should not talk about ever being a president. Keep it to yourself. LeBron Mannings, Mahomes Brady. I've seen Mahomes step to the microphone and just say the right thing. Not necessarily the most honest, authentic thing. That's what happens. And the Manning family is American football royalty. So this is exactly what you say. We. Cooper. Flag said it. Oh, Duke. And then he talked to Nike, and then you're the number one pick, and here's 56 large. I love Duke so much. I'll go visit when they play Carolina if I have time. Arch Manning, if he's as good as I think he is, he's got to go pro. I know Cooper, I know Eli, I know Peyton, I know Archie. And I don't know Arch, but Sark talking about Arch sounds a lot like Cooper and Eli and Peyton Manning.

[Philip Rivers]

His work ethic is incredible. Whether it's, you know, studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook, working at his craft, you know, in the weight room like that.

[Colin Cowherd]

That.

[Philip Rivers]

That is whether it's innate in him or it was, you know, handed down from his uncles. Whatever. Whatever it was, his work ethic is really pretty incredible.

[Colin Cowherd]

And.

[Philip Rivers]

And that lends itself to the teammate that he is, too.

[Colin Cowherd]

And that's an interesting way to describe him. Jumping into my next segment now, I will tell you, 90% of you will disagree with this take. And I've been doing this for 25 years. I believe in it strongly and always have. So did you notice when Sark talked about Arch and, oh, by the way, Eli Manning could be, you know, funny on Saturday Night Live, but if you described Peyton Manning, you would say intense. Bill Polian once said he was a teeth clencher. If you're describing Tiger woods, you'd be like, look obsessed, intimidating. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. Brady, it's not a coincidence that the greatest athletes of my life are borderline crazy, obsessed, serious people. And I am hoping when Shadour Sanders plays tomorrow night, I can't wait to watch. I'm rooting for him. I mean, I don't like the speeding tickets, but they lead me to my topic today. It is totally unfair that at 23 years old as an NFL quarterback, you are held to a totally different standard of not only from every 23 year old, you know, but from every 23 year old professional athlete. You have to be 23 going on 43, not even 33, because some of you are still doing shooters at, you know, Captain Fandango's on a Friday night. Right? Like I know where you're out. You're doing stuff that's really not inappropriate. You hope your boss doesn't walk in.

[Philip Rivers]

Right?

[Colin Cowherd]

Right. At 33. At 43, hopefully you have kids, you're a grown up, you're a vice president. You're not doing it. Quarterback in the NFL. It's almost unfair. Jalen Hurts is 27. He acts 47. I've never seen a quarterback that good at the podium ever. He is the best quarterback I've ever seen at the podium. He surpasses the second best I've ever seen. Dak Prescott. No jokes. They're like accountants should bring a briefcase. And this is something that's always bothered me about Shador and Miles Garrett was asked to describe his personality. Here it is.

[Philip Rivers]

I mean, he's funny, he's optimistic, light hearted.

[Colin Cowherd]

Funny. Jameis Winston was funny. Drew Locke was lighthearted. Cam Newton is the best college football player I have ever seen. He was the size of a defensive end, but he was playful. Drew Locke, remember that piece of video? That's all I needed to see. I know all your frat bros, they loved it. I get it. The Sigat bros absolutely love that. I get it. It's not what I want. Dak Prescott, his rookie year. It may have been preseason or it was early in the season, did something and you guys made fun of it, but there was a piece of garbage on the field behind the Cowboy bench. He's in the middle of a game and he walked by it and turned around, grabbed it and put it in the garbage. And I'm like, oh, that's a grown up. He understands. It's like when you go to a funeral, don't smile and don't laugh. You have to be on. Dak Prescott understands I'm the Cowboy quarterback. I am always on. Years ago in the Patriots building, they did a little test. This is true story. They would randomly put stuff on the floor to see if people picked it up when they interviewed them. To this day, when I walk down the halls of Fox Just in case my bosses are watching, I always stop and pick up a piece of garbage. It matters and it's unfair. I don't want my quarterbacks to be, as Miles Garrett said, fun, light hearted. I'm not interested in light hearted at all. Jameis Winston, the best thing he's ever done, work for Fox. It was funny. He also threw 30 picks a year. It's not fair. But the Harbaughs, Nick Saban, Sean Payton are almost offensively intense. I mean, there are times Nick Saban's so intense it's intimidating. And yet nick Saban is 5 foot 6. Did you know that he plays really big? Sean Payton, I'm much taller than he is. He feels bigger than I do. I don't want my quarterbacks to be fun, light hearted and in the draft room put legendary. It was also fun in that car, doing 104 in a 45. I'm sorry, but it matters. I like the traits of Shador Sanders. I like his size. I think he's more mobile than people say. I think he throws a beautiful football off platformer on it. I think he's a much better pro prospect than Dylan Gabriel. Obviously many of you disagree, but one of the things that's always bothered me, he's kind of silly. I don't want silly. I'm not interested in silly. There's so many things, pedigree, size, accuracy, I like about him, but it's just one of those things. It, it is just. There was a mall. Give you another example. I don't love Brock Purdy, but there was a moment with Brock Purdy. He was at a concert about a year ago with George Kittle. George Kittle is shotgun and beers and oh, by the way, Brock Purdy. Just like a funeral. Don't laugh, you're always on. Brock Purdy carried the beers in. He wouldn't bite, he wouldn't bite. He didn't want that meme nothing. Let the crazy tight end do it. I'm not biting. He, he's going, yeah, George, you keep doing it. He wouldn't do it. He didn't want that anywhere. Because if you do that and people see it and you go on a four game losing streak, the GM sees it. And by the way, I will get three to four texts today from GMs and they'll be like, you're absolutely right. And every time I do that stuff, I get texts. Is that most 23 year olds are listening saying, that's ridiculous. It is in 98% of the work environments in the country. But one of the things that impressed me about Dak and Jalen hurts. It's not how they throw from the pocket. I've said this about Tua. Tua's a grown up. Tyree Kill isn't. Hurts is unbelievable. When people say Lamar Jackson, he gets tight in the playoffs, you're damn right he does, because he cares so much. Lamar Jackson gets furious at Lamar Jackson. It's one of my favorite traits. And I do think he gets tight in the playoffs and I do think Peyton Manning did for years. If the biggest fault is dude is really intense, sign me up for that. Sign me up for Lamar Jackson and early Peyton Manning. But there's that Drew Locke video. Keeping it real, man. I got the vibes and y' all loved it. And I couldn't stand it. And it was only 10 seconds and I'm like, dude, do that at home. You're on. You're smiling at a funeral. You're trying to be the face of a franchise. I don't like it. I wouldn't like my GM doing it. I wouldn't like my head coach doing it. Remember that Shador Flacco thing? There was a little piece of video with Shador and Flacco here in camp, and it's not the end of the world. Nobody's saying it is. As I always say, everything's something, nothing's everything. But remember that little piece of video? Do we have the sound up on that one? Flacco and Shedeur and Shador's asking him about dancing. Do we have that?

[Philip Rivers]

You ever hit that bench? What's that? Definitely not. I don't know if I've ever heard a public dance move in my life.

[Colin Cowherd]

Joe. Joe Flacco's been to a Super bowl and won a Super bowl. And if I recall, he was the MVP of the Super Bowl. It matters, at least to me. All right? The hate mail will be flying in and keep it coming because it is a thing. It really is a thing. And it just is one of those things. I think about it all the time. And there are different times in life. By the way, I've joked about this for years. Whenever I'm hiring a young person, like 20 or 30, I don't want somebody that loves golf. Now, by the time you get gray hair and you're old, I don't care. Old guys, I'm really into golf. The last three years, the grayer my hair gets. But I'm out of that space now. But when you're 20 and 30 and you're not making much. And I need you to work 55 to 60 hours a week. I'm not working that much anymore. I got a bigger staff. But when I used to be in this business looking for young people, I didn't mind what your hobbies were. I didn't want golfers. I didn't want golfer. Because golf has an addictive quality. I'm going through that now over the last three years. Once the number six, that's different than two, three on the name, on the number. And so I will say this. The Brock Purdy thing really struck me. I was like, you can say what you. And I've never been a huge Brock Purdy guy. But one of the things Sam Darnold said about him, like, one of the reasons that Kyle Shanahan was so impressed with him is his maturity. They were like, he's just not your typical 24 year old. And maybe that's unfair, but it's really impressive. Part of what NFL teams do, they have these conversations. Can we hand the keys of our franchise to this young guy? That is a conversation networks have that I've worked at. Can we give this person their own show? It's his show. It's his staff. We can't babysit him. We're not there every day. Can you give the keys to the franchise and you watch Brock Purdy and like, he knew. Come on, George. Cover more. He wouldn't bite. He would not bite. J. Mac, when you get your show someday that marquee, you're gonna have to settle down because you are a wild child on the beaches of Manhattan beach from what I hear.

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So basically this week, you are against backwards visors and you are against shotgunning beers on stage at a concert. Okay, so you're basically Captain Unfun. You know, you've heard of the fun uncle, the Funkle. You're like the opposite of that. You are unfun.

[Colin Cowherd]

Colin.

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Oh, my gosh. Golf?

[Colin Cowherd]

Really? No.

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So what about basketball? You're good with me in the men's leagues. We got a big playoff game.

[Colin Cowherd]

Get your cardio in. Get your cardio in, everybody. I understand that. I always had a thing with golf. When your hair gets gray, go for it. Before that, I don't want to hear your golf addicted playing on seven courses. That's just me. Everybody's got a different vibe.

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