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Colin Cowherd Podcast - ABC Reinstates Jimmy Kimmel, Packers HUGE Advantage, New York vs. Chicago Sports
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
Well, first of all, because it was the right thing to do. I think, you know, you said a lot there and I've got a lot of thoughts on this, obviously, so I can go as long on this as you want to, but this, this is the right thing to do. Right? This, this was a pretty clear cut freedom of speech issue. And everyone from Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro and George Clooney and Meryl Streep and Joe Rogan, everybody came out against this. Like, this was a fairly cut and dry.
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Danny Parkins
It was an easy one.
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Colin Cowherd
Easy. Yeah, it was an easy one. And so I think that when you see that reaction to it, I don't know how much credit I'm supposed to give you for, like, ultimately doing the right thing because it was so universe. It was so easy. So I don't think about that. Also, though, to your point about Hollywood and like being comfortable where you live, Kimmel is so popular in Southern California among the Hollywood elite. Right. Like the, his green room, when it, when he first started doing his show 20 years ago, was like the Hollywood hangout. People call him, you know, the mayor of Hollywood. He, he is as likely to hang out with Magic Johnson as he is Jennifer Aniston. And then he, when he started, he dipped his toe into the water with politics because of healthcare, because of what happened with his young child. That's right. And you know, like, that was his. He was not a job. Stewart, John Oliver, like Jimmy Kimmel's the Man show, like Jimmy Kimmel's local radio. Jimmy Kimmel is a prankster. Jimmy Kimmel was like likability guy's guy. Pull pranks, football Picks all that sort of thing. He started dipping his toe in politics through health care. And then I think he got infatuated with it and the left started reaching out to him and he started doing events and he speaking at Obama functions and things like that. But like Jimmy Kimmel in Hollywood, as I understand it, has pretty like universal approval. Yeah, his approval. His approval. Everyone wants to hang with Jimmy Kimmel.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. I mean, because if you think about it, Letterman always sort of poked Hollywood in the ribs. Madonna, Cher, Ricky Gervais doesn't give a fly in, you know, what about Hollywood. He mocks them in front of them. Colbert is the political guy. Fallon's sort of a New York music vibe. Carson was debonair. Leno had the monologue. Conan was quirky. And I always think, whether you're a columnist at the New York Times or you're a late night host, you need a lane.
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Colin Cowherd
Kimmel was friends with these people.
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Danny Parkins
No, Kimmel was Hollywood.
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Colin Cowherd
Correct. He was the mayor of Hollywood. He vacations with Jason Bateman and Jennifer Aniston. That was his thing. He created a vibe and he created a hangout spot. And so, you know, I, I thought that when the 400 actors and artists all like signed that petition, I thought that was like an obvious step that was clearly coming. But I thought that if Disney and them, if everyone like didn't kind of back down on this one, I think that Kimmel is popular enough that it might have gone further because you saw a few people, like writers, I think like a writer from Lost or something was. I'm not going to work for them again until they do.
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Danny Parkins
What I feel Iger feels, that institutional pressure. I mean, a great example is for a brief time in la, I moved to Brentwood, which is, it's, it's a very much a, an industry town like Manhattan beach is USC grads playing volleyball. Work hard, party hard. Right. Beverly Hills is very international. I mean, West Hollywood is very much industry. Brentwood is where the industry, the CEOs, the agents live. And so I moved there in a very beautiful area. But my neighbors, one of my neighbors, like Lindsey Buckingham, it was a lot of industry people. You'd occasionally see, you know, more Dustin Hoffman, I never saw him, but apparently he had a house. You know, there was a game show host down the street. That's what it. I didn't move there for it. I moved it because in my, when I started the volume, a lot of people in the company were in that area. And I didn't want to keep driving back and forth and driving back and forth and it's fine. But there was a restaurant there called Toscano, and it was. I went there all the time. They had a great bar that you could just watch sports. Really low key. Every time you walked in, it was industry people. And Iger, I went there probably 30 times. He was there. Six to seven of them Kardashians were there. I mean, it was all these Hollywood people and like industry people. And the truth is, Bob was. Could not get in and out of that restaurant. And he would dress very casually, never a suit. I mean, it looked like he just got done biking. He was legendarily beloved and left the company, came back. And I do think there is this point where you look at it and you think, timeout. What are my affiliates? Who are my alliances with? They're not. I mean, and so when you see all the, like Silicon Valley guys go into the White House, that's different. Those are massive global companies. You don't know where those people are going to live. They probably got eight homes. Iger always felt like an L A guy. I mean, it's his. It's. I thought he made an offer on one of the sports team. His family did. He feels like. I mean, so I just. I guess my point being is that like, if I was Bob Iger and I don't, I wouldn't think you even have a choice. To your point, you don't get credit. It was like you had to do that. That is your bas.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I thought it was such an obvious overreach. You know, I thought the, the FCC chairman, I mean, the stuff that he said was just like, I mean, comically stupid. And so, yeah, I thought it was like a pretty open and shut case because. And you also said earlier, you know, like, the left was doing it with jokes and going too far. Like, I don't, I don't want to like, false equivalent those. Because, like, there's no question that sensitivities and people like, lashing out at media a little too extreme and people got a little too sensitive and you could like, talk about cancel culture or whatever, but like losing out on hosting the Oscars because you wouldn't apologize for jokes is not like losing a gig is not the same. Like, because an event wouldn't book you. That's not the same as the head of the FCC taking you off the air and the president, like, celebrating firing. Right? Like that.
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Danny Parkins
That's.
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Colin Cowherd
That's not the same. That's government overreach. And so I thought this one was just like, Appalling to everybody. You know, like this was, this is like what happened to Howard Stern back in the 90s. Like this, this was just like. So I was just like, wait, they're going to do what over what comment? And like who's getting involved? Like, and I thought Kimmel, what he said in his monologue was hilarious and spot on. Like he had great ratings. Like, talk about your all time backfire. Yeah, like it, they made him a martyr. And you've shown like you have this power, the volume and you know, a lot of people have left like institutional job. Like Conan left late night and as is as popular as ever. I know you're not the biggest Conan guy, but.
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Danny Parkins
No, no, I think he's really. I've. I've kind of moved back into Conan actually. I was going to, I want to, I was going to tell you what's interesting about all of this because I know Jimmy a little. He's a really, really nice guy. I don't know.
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Colin Cowherd
Everybody likes him. Everybody likes him.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. And they're all different guys. They all have different personal. I think Colbert is, is kind of a little bit more academic. I think Fallon's kind of silly. Leno is actually like, like Seinfeld is like, has this. I don't know if ornate's the right word. This like the car fetish. Like they're, they're really like mechanics who write amazing jokes. Like they really are.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Like he's a technician.
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Danny Parkins
Yes.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah, he's a joke technician.
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Danny Parkins
That's what Leno and Seinfeld to me are where Letterman had the quickest wit in the world. But it's interesting about the responsibility. I was thinking about this today, is that I think some people were waiting for Joe Rogan to have a big opinion on this. And he was out elk hunting and he said, listen, I went up in the mountains. I didn't have a phone. I've done that. I'm sure you have too. When I go on vacation, I turn the phone off for four days at a time. My kids know how to get a hold of me. I'm out. That's why I go on vacation. And if you go elk hunting, which I never have, I can see you going up to the mountains. There's not a tower next to the elk. I get it. But I always think it's interesting. What is the responsibility? Arsenio hall said this once. I'm not a journalist. I'm doing a late night show, watch the news. And I remember thinking, yeah, Arsenio Hall's right. You can bring Clinton on and he can play the saxophone, but you're doing late night. Carson stayed away from it, but it was a different time. Leno, Letterman. Letterman would talk big stuff. It could be 9, 11. It could be his heart attack. His best shows were during these gripping, authentic crises in his life or in the nation. But there's been this sense that Joe Rogan has a certain responsibility because of the size of his audience. And I always think to myself, okay, podcasting isn't even governed by the fcc. I'm having a Green river whiskey podcasting. I would be let go at any other network drinking on the job. I don't necessarily think popularity means you have a responsibility. I don't think Howard Stern had a responsibility to talk politics. This is where I'll defend Rogan. Rogan is bizarrely curious. He knows more about dragons than I do about my kids. Like, he cares about stuff I don't care about, but I think he's so wildly curious that he's kind of a fascinating. Listen, my son doesn't politically always agree with him, but he just. He talks about space and aliens and lizard people, and it's just whatever. Do you think there's a responsibility? I don't have it for politics. I do have it for sports. Do you think there's a responsibility if you have a large audience to comment, to take a position on big political issues?
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Colin Cowherd
No, but there's a little bit of nuance here. And Nick and I were talking about this, and then Nick made the point on his podcast, which is a part of the volume. So I will echo it, but since he said it publicly, I will give him the credit for it. I did think that Rogan eventually did owe his audience a comment on this issue because so much of what Rogan has talked about was free speech and cancel culture like that had. That was a part of his brand. Defending, defending, cancelizations. Being a. I mean, the guy platforms a lot of people, and it's like everyone's opinion is welcomed. And I thought some of the things that Rogan has done in the past I disagreed with. Like, I don't think that Joe. I don't think that Alex Jones deserved Joe Rogan's platform.
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Danny Parkins
Same.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Danny Parkins
Same. That was the one guy I'm out on.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, correct.
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Danny Parkins
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
And no, that's obviously the most extreme example. But I'm using it to make the point that Joe Rogan's defense of that, as I understand it, was and continues to be. Everyone deserves a voice, and everyone's voice should Be heard. Well, if that's your thing, and that is undeniably Rogan's thing, then when an actual First Amendment free speech overreach happens, I do think you owe it to people to be on the front lines of that conversation too. Because if you would have just been like, you know, the joke wasn't funny and broadcasters have a right to pull licenses and it is fcc, it is public airwaves. So, you know, I guess, tough shit. I would be like, hold on a second. Are you just doing this because you like shaking his hand at UFC events? Like, because a lot of those podcasters in the run up to the election who were comedian North Star free speech absolutists, absolutely were a part of that campaign. And so I think that there it is.
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Danny Parkins
Good.
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Colin Cowherd
For the most part, I have seen all of those guys, Theo Vaughn, Andrew Schultz, like right of center politicians who had politicians on in the lead up to the election. I think universally they've come out in support of Jimmy Kimmel, who I don't think any of them would say they think is that funny. And I don't think any of them would align with him necessarily politically. But on the free speech issue, they have been consistent. So as someone who loves comedy as much as I do and journalism as much as I do, I do think those guys on this issue owed it to people. But I don't think because Rogan has a big audience, he owes it to us on every issue.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, I'm not a free speech absolutist. I. Bill Maher always says he is. I am not. I think you have to. I think, I think the bigger the platform you have to earn your way on, I think you just, just saying anything idiotic, that's hateful. I'm not going to put you on any of my platforms. So I'm not a free speech absolutist. Although I do think Mar as a broadcaster is more compelling and interesting by bringing on people who are polarizing and disagree with him. I think that's just better television than being in an echo chamber. Yeah. I think Maher is the one that he has endured for the last 30 years. And I think one of the reasons is I like the sparring of it. He's brought a couple people on. I would not. But, you know, I'm not a free speech absolutist. I think you earn the bigger the platform, you earn your way on it. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock bet. The Hard Rock BET Sportsbook app. It's clean. 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So when I first started at FS1, the first four or five years, I watched every minute's ratings. The next day I wanted to see what worked and what didn't. I don't do it anymore. But I did. And I. There was an Urban Meyer, NCAA Ohio State story, and I was fascinated by it, and I talked about it. And the next day I went and looked at the ratings, and nobody cared because it was bureaucracy. And I was like, oh, it's just too much minutiae, and everybody hates the ncaa. So that was one of those where I'm like. And I mean, my ratings. Just 40% of the audience just left. And I was like, okay, the audience is telling me NCAA's inadequate, toothless, and boring. And so several years later, there was the LeBron China comments. And all I could think of was, oh, it's bureaucracy. It's boring. I got burned. And I'm like, I don't care about. My audience doesn't care about Chinese bureaucracy and LeBron James. All they do is complain about LeBron. So I didn't talk about it. And I don't think I've ever said this. And a lot of it was, my audience doesn't like bureaucracy. They don't like corporate talk, you know, NCAA government. And I got some feedback. Hey, you're afraid to talk about it. And I'm like, no, it's just bad television. Like, there's. I literally go to my boss, Whit Albom, one of the people, you know, the executives, and at the beginning of a football season, I go, Give me the 12 most popular NFL teams, and he'll give them to me. And I will try to stay even today, I won't say what team is. I turn down a topic that was pushed by somebody on the staff because the team is just not interesting enough nationally. I'm not doing local or regional radio. So there are times that I haven't embraced big stories, gotten criticism from. I don't really care about the critical stuff, but, like, fans are like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where do you land on that stuff that you probably should have, maybe arguably have an opinion on. But it's just bad television. It's bad, boring radio.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Like, I think that if I was doing the Danny Parkins podcast, like the equivalent of the Colin Cowherd podcast or the Joe Rogan Experience or what's right with Nick Wright, I would always err on, like, I'm going to talk about what is interesting to me. Yes, I. The First Things first staff has heard a lot of my Michael Pennix takes this week.
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Danny Parkins
Because I thought that his.
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Colin Cowherd
Performance against the Carolina Panthers was mortifying. And I would like. I will not bet on him again for a long time. He cost me a survivor pool entry. Carolina's defense was the worst in the NFL last year. They were bad through two games. They were a five and a half point favorite and they lost 30 to zero. And he threw a pick six on a check down where I think he was legitimately three seconds late on the throw. He looked horrifyingly bad. But I can't get that opinion on TV because, like, Falcons, Panthers, people just do not care. I've been told. And I'm like, I think I would be really good. You just laughed at my opinion. I'm like, I think it would be like, people want to just see what you're passionate about. Like, I think it would have been fine to do for two minutes. But, you know, I don't have as much skin in the game here or as much like, you know, pelts on the wall, whatever the expression is, as you or Nick do. So I got to lose that one. But that means the producers are going.
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Danny Parkins
To hear about it.
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Colin Cowherd
So, like, I think on television, where we are on in sports bars and airports and moms getting their kids ready for school, like mass appeal, you're trying to cater to everybody. But if you were really interested, like a podcast, I think by definition is more niche. It's like hbo. It's like real time.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
You have to. You're opting into it, you're seeking it out. Like, if I am a listener of the Colin Cowherd podcast and I am a subscriber of it, I will listen to. I want, I want to know what you are interested in and if you are interested in Lebron and China, why you are good at what you do is because you make me interested. I love your line of I'm in the omelette business, not the egg business. It's not my job to make you interesting. But I think that is more applicable to national radio and national television than it is podcasting. Like, if you wanted to get on here and grind out a topic on the hypocrisy of the NBA and its stance, I'd listen to it. And by the way, if I didn't find it interesting, I'd fast forward. That's part of the beauty of podcasting. So I think it matters for time, place, but mostly for this conversation platform. I agree with you that not every topic Nick and I talk about it sometimes, that's a good radio topic, that's a good podcast topic, that's not a good TV topic. And I, you know, and I'm A little over a year into my TV career and so I am still learning and like figuring that piece out. As a longtime radio guy, there are topics that are just better for different mediums.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, no, that's. And that's really smart that you guys talk about that because it, you know, and I've said this before, call it March Madness and the baseball playoffs I really like. But the regular season of both doesn't move the needle. You lose, you hemorrhage audience if you talk college basketball before March. But I start watching it in February and I'm really into college basketball for three weeks. I've got really good friends in the industry, a couple of coaches, and I love watching like 8 to 10 programs. UConn and Gonzaga and Villanova and Kansas, I love watching them play. You know, I loved Syracuse and Bayheim, so.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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Danny Parkins
And by the way, baseball's like that. So you know, I grew up with the Mariners. Well, now they've got Cal, Raleigh, they hit home runs. They got Munoz the closer. They have a really good starting staff in an era. They're great at home. It's all be fascinated for five weeks of baseball. But during the regular season, it's not a great topic. So that's a prime example of to the audience. And sometimes I take people behind and just say, listen. When I lived in ESPN land, I watched a ton of Yankees Red song. I worked out every day to Nessen, Mike Felger, the radio show, the TV simulcast. Every single day I worked out. That's why I'm so buffed. Every day I worked out to that. And I listened all the time to Mike and the Mad Dog. In the afternoon when I was driving around doing errands and picking my kids up, I'd listen to 45 minutes and they would just go, you know, it was baseball show more than anything, which was crazy in a city like New York with the Knicks and the jets and the Giants. So there are topics like that. But I will say in October, I think these. I'll throw this at you. I led with this today on television.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I saw. You led Ohtani today, right?
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Danny Parkins
No, no, I led baseball. I said, whether it's AI in business nil and college football or fear of the salary gap in baseball, there is a neurotic, anxiety ridden, fatalist group of sports fans who literally always fear the worst. And I'm like, you do get the Lakers got Luka bounced in the first round. OKC met Indiana in the finals. You do get that the brewers are the best team in baseball. And the Mets are unraveling with their $340 million payroll. And the Reds and the Guardians and the Mariners are crushing it. And Toronto, where none of the star players want to play in Toronto, and the taxes in Canada and you start looking around at all these sports and it's like, guys, Green Bay is great. The jets and Giants are unwatchable. That there, there is something that's very true about business and sports. Obsessive wins. And when you're in big cities, it's more distracting. There's more to do in Chicago and New York. There is not more to do in Green Bay and there's not more to do in okc. And I do believe it's not just because you should have advantages game day revenue in the big cities. More free agents want to live in Miami, Louisiana. And New York than they do, you know, Dallas. That I think in cities like Dallas and New York and Miami and Los Angeles, it's more distracting. Not just for the athletes, for the executives and for everybody. And I guess my whole point is what I love about baseball. I think it's been an unbelievable year for baseball that all these small markets that all these sort of can't compete with the bigs. I mean, the Dodgers have a. They're unraveling, their bullpen's terrible. I mean, I think it's been an unbelievable baseball. If you asked a commissioner, he'd go, I want the Cubs, the Dodgers and the Yankees to be good, but not too good. I need two small market teams, one in the northwest and one in the middle of the country. I like every team except the Braves that you would want to win is winning. Have you paid more attention to baseball this year because you're a Chicago native?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, listen, I love the Cubs and so when I did local radio, you know, we were doing baseball all the time. I do agree that some of the stories like Cal Raleigh, like, to me he should be the MVP judge is amazing. But that those power numbers as a catcher they're playing every game is. Is stupid. I've asked like a few baseball players about it and like to a T, they don't talk about him like he is Ohtani, but they talk about it like in the same level of like I think it was physically possible for.
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Danny Parkins
A catcher to Piazza, Johnny Bench, Pudge and Cal Raleigh. It's like it wears you out to be catcher.
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Colin Cowherd
Correct. So to be catching that number of games and hit that many home runs for a good team is, is just awesome and preposterous and an amazing story. And it probably should be getting more attention though it is obviously getting plenty of attention on MLB Network. I since leaving I did not love the local radio day to day of baseball because it was always hard for me to put any significance on any one game. Yeah. Because like my math brain just didn't allow for it that it was just like a. My. The guy that my co host was a huge baseball guy. My producers were huge baseball guys and I was like guys. I am a huge baseball guy too. I just like more like storylines, playoffs, macronization.
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Danny Parkins
It's an event culture and that's the audience is. They're distracted. Like baseball is a hard sell in the regular season.
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Colin Cowherd
Right.
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Danny Parkins
But.
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Colin Cowherd
But like in. In May in Chicago when the Cubs are off to an amazing start. Like they're the biggest deal in town and there's nothing going on with the Bears or the Bulls and it's like it's. It's kind of like local radio. That's what you're doing and so roundabout way to talk about like so I love baseball but I love it more now that I am not in it. Yeah every day because I can have just kind of like appreciate a good game, a good highlight, a good storyline and then as to your point lock in for the playoffs and it's more then they become football games. Like the reaction. Right. Like each game obviously matters way more. Each decision is like truly fascinating to hyper analyze and magnify because like in the. In the regular season it's like oh that was a questionable lineup decision or he should be batting there. That was a weird bullpen decision. And it's like well we're operating with such incomplete information. Was the guy healthy? Are we playing the long game? Are you just trying to get this guy a spot? What was the reason for like it. But it's one of 162 the actual result of the baseball game doesn't matter that much. Like I need. We consume so much sports that I need there to be stakes attached to my sports. And it just doesn't feel to me like any one regular season baseball game matters all of that much. So I'm with you that the score stories have been great but I personally prefer it from the national level because I can zoom out a little bit.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. The now that you live in New York and I spend 80% of my time in Chicago, I still go to LA regularly still have a lot of friends and I still love going and I'm not one of these. I hate la. I love. Listen I've lived a Lot of places I like. I love the East Coast. I really love. I never thought I would, But, I mean, June 1st to October 1st, maybe October 15th, if I could, I'd live in the Northeast. I think it's the most beautiful place in the world. The beaches, the fall foliage. It's amazing. I will say Chicago is radically cheaper than Los angeles on like, 13 different fronts. It's unbelievable how much more affordable Chicago is. Like having a beer. I mean, having a chicken sandwich at a food truck. Like going out to eat, like, rent.
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Colin Cowherd
I miss it.
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Danny Parkins
It's.
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Colin Cowherd
I miss it.
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Danny Parkins
Now. Now you've gone from Chicago to New York. It is unbelievable. You've gone from a city with bad owners and mediocre sports to a place that's worse. I mean, it's incredible. How would you. What's the difference for our audience between a Chicago sports fan who you talk to every day, and a New York sports fan that you can hear every day on radio or tv?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, listen, New York sports fans take a tremendous amount of pride in their booing and their anger, like I would always say, because I, too, listened to Mike and the Mad Dog when I was in Syracuse. They would be on the YES network, and I was a sports radio dork, and I consumed it from then. And then I went to school with all of these kids from the Philadelphia area and the New York area and whatever. And as much as I love Chicago, I do think that there is kind of like, in terms of, like, tough fan bases. There's a big three, and it's New York, Philly, Boston.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And then there is a gap, and then Chicago is like the biggest of everybody else and the toughest of everybody else. The Chicago Bears. The Chicago Bears beat is a good, tough beat. They ask tough questions. They will hold players account. Like, there's big city journalism that happens around the Bears. It's an excellent beat. The Cubs beat is pretty good. There are national reporters based out of Chicago. It's a good beat. White Sox catch a ton of hell, but it's not. It's not like Boston, it's not like Philly, and it's not like New York.
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Danny Parkins
I think Chicago, some of it. Is Chicago angry? Isn't Philly angry? Midwestern people saying, yeah, they're just not as angry. That's the. And by the way, Philly takes pride in it. Chicago's kind of. They feel bad when they hang up the phone and rip somebody.
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Colin Cowherd
That's. That's. That's what I'm saying. I think the media reflects the fans. Like, the fans in Chicago. Like, we want to be tough and mean, but we're still, like, Midwest. Nice.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, we still. We still kind of judge the. We want you to. When we. When you hold the door open for someone, like, not to be surprised. Like, New Yorkers are like, what are you doing? Like, do you work here? And so I think that there is some. That's. It's a cliche, but I do think that there is, like, a noticeable difference. And it's not just New York, Chicago, it's like, New York, Philly, Boston, everyone else. And so that, to me, is the biggest difference. But you are 100% correct that, God, is there bad ownership in both cities? Like, it's wild. And that's why, though, like, listen, I. The one I use is like, the Bengals were the bungles before Joe Burrow got there. Like, it can change. The Chiefs did not win a single game with a quarterback that they drafted. Not a playoff game, a regular season game between Todd Blacklidge and Patrick Mahomes. They won games with Alex Smith and Joe Montana and Trent Green. But like Brody Croyle, who they drafted, he went 0 10. Like, so, like, a player can change it now. You got to be unbelievable. And it is harder to change the culture and the institutional failures, and you're paddling upstream and all of those things. But, like, if. If Caleb is that guy, he can change it. If Derrick Rose would have been 4 inches taller and had better knee ligaments, like, he could have changed it, you know, So I do think that, like, the ownership matters a ton, but you great management can overcome. The Cubs were terrible forever. The Tribune company never spending anything. And the Ricketts family, they spend. They make a ton of money, but they don't spend like Steve Cohen or, you know, someone, you know, like, they. What the Cubs make, they put back into the team. But when they had Theo Epstein running the show, they won the World Series, you know, the greatest baseball executive of the last 30 years. And now they're pretty well run, and they've been consistently good for a while, and we'll see if they can get another one. But. So I think that ownership can hold you back, but you just have to be truly special to overcome it.
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Danny Parkins
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So for years, Iowa said Green Bay not having an owner was a negative, that you need Stan Kroenke on the tarmac with Sean McVay on the phone and he's getting ready to fly his Gulf stream from LAX to Heathrow and literally McVeigh and Les need pin him down on Stafford and he goes, okay, let's get him. You don't have to go through a board. You don't have to gather people around like in Green Bay. And you know, Mark Murphy had to answer to people. And so for years I always thought, what a negative for Green Bay. They can't walk upstairs. I've always said one of the strengths of Fox over ESPN. ESPN's a massive company. It's like the Marriott chain. You know, Fox is like a boutique hotel. If I really needed something, I would walk upstairs. And I've done it maybe once. And just ask Eric Shanks. Eric, this sucks. You know, can we do this? Or, Eric, I'm not comfortable with this. What do you think of this? And if he's there, he would just say, oh, that's a good point. Let me get it on the phone. And I don't do it much. I've probably done it twice where I've said, hey, can we do this? This is one of them was like, well, I won't even get into it. It was kind of a thing for the staff I wanted to do. But you can get an answer and get it solved very quickly. And I don't have a lot of, you know, I don't have to do it much. I think I've done it twice in nine years. It was just something. I'm like, yeah, this feels weird. Let's not do this. You get an answer. Packers never had that. Then something happened. And I really noticed that over the last two to three years. And I've talked to GMs about this, is that owners have gotten more impulsive because they're not worth 700 million, they're worth 11 billion. And so they have no problem running a $68 million check to get rid of both coordinators and the head coach. They don't care. And when they're around their buddies who are millionaires, probably not billionaires, they're giving them shit when they vacation with them. Like, your coach is an idiot. This quarterback's a bum. And, you know, it's a bit of a billionaire echo chamber. And they lean on the GM and they lean on people, and they just are crazier. And so Green Bay now, I believe, has a huge advantage where they don't answer to any impulsive owner. They basically have really smart president, really smart people in the front office. They tend to be patient with quarterbacks. I do not believe you can draft a first round quarterback and sit him for three years twice. You can't do that in any other city except Green Bay. The masters of the most important position in the National Football League, increasingly so over the last 15 years. So that's my sports take, where I was like there, and I have pivoted to the other side. And I think Green Bay's ability to have multiple year patience is unprecedented in this sport.
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Colin Cowherd
So the Green Bay thing is a little sensitive for me because my dad's whole side of the family are cheesehead Packer fans. And I've had to deal with this for my entire life. And I always would say, you know, to my brother, my older brother who's a Packer fan, and my dad, and, you know, rest in peace to both of them, but I would always say I was like, you guys don't know how the rest of us live. Like, you guys going from Favre to Rogers to Jordan Love. Like, I remember when Rogers got hurt and Brett Hundley had to play for like six games. They were like, oh, it was like six games. Try 16 years, try the 80s.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
The game that Caleb Williams had against Dallas, a Bears quarterback has not done that. Four touchdowns, zero picks, zero sacks since Rex Grossman in 2006. And before that it was Eric Kramer in 1995. And then before Eric Kramer, it was zero times. That's the entirety of the list. And so, like, the fact that like, so and so Hackers fans don't understand how good they have it, but allow me to just push back a little bit. Isn't it luck? Is it isn't. I mean, because our sample size, there is two, right? Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love. And because Favre was good, they had Favre traded for Favre. And then Aaron Rodgers falls in the draft. Not supposed to be there. They take him, they sit him. But he was, you know, number one. It was him and Alex Smith. Then that works. And then Rogers, they think he's done. They trade up and take Jordan Love. Then they get rid of McCarthy. LaFleur comes in. All of a sudden Rogers is winning two more MVPs. Like, the plan wasn't like. Like, let's sit Jordan Love for three years. The plan was, we don't know how much longer Aaron Rodgers has. And then a new coach kind of injected some old man life into him. And Jordan Love was sitting longer than they initially thought when they drafted him. If they thought that Aaron Rodgers was going to be an mvp, they would have drafted T. Higgins instead of drafting Jordan Love. So, like, it's. And by the way, it was multiple presidents. You know, back then with, it was Ron Wolf, right? It's been multiple Thompson and Ted Thompson. Yeah, multiple presidents. Multiple generate general managers. Like, I don't. I don't just believe that, like, inherently, because they eat bratwurst and they have no owner and it's green and Gold that they have just like that they just have this ability that like if, if Mark Murphy went and it's a new president now, I forget the guy's name, but if he became the president of the Jaguars, I don't think that the next Jaguars quarterback would be Aaron Rodgers level good. Like I think they have gotten. I think they've gotten lucky twice and it annoys the hell out of me.
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Danny Parkins
So here's where I'd push back. They are also arguably the best drafting team period for 25 years. And I think, I mean they literally have maybe in 25 years had two bad offensive lines and they never draft offensive linemen in the first round. Is that once again their ability to draft middle rounds and just be patient and not have a relentless angry media banging on them? Their media is not even collegiate. It's almost high school. Nice. Like, I mean it's a very supportive media and I would buy into luck if they didn't currently have the best tight end wide receiver youth groups in the NFL and they don't do free agency. So they're missing a leg from the barstool. And it's almost like there's so many teachers that are actually millionaires. Almost higher than almost any profession outside of tech. And one of the reasons they have to be is because teachers don't make a lot. So they tend to pay off their homes. They buy used cars. Green Bay similarly knows we don't get free agents. We have to draft and develop. We have to be patient. We're not attractive to star Mike linebackers and wide receivers on average. So I think I would buy that. But they draft so exceedingly well. And I think a lot of it is you do in life what you have to. If you have to save to retire early, you don't buy a second car if you're rich. I mean the New York operations, they just fly through money because their game day revenue is huge. And they, and I mean, I think, I mean like the Knicks, James Dolan. I'm firing the most successful coach we've had in 20 years. You wouldn't think of doing that in Green Bay? Like it wouldn't even be on the table, would it?
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, they fired Mike McCarthy after he won a Super Bowl. Now, not right after he won it. Obviously he needs.
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Danny Parkins
And he struggled the last year and a half. Two years he struggled.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but, but Mike Tomlins hasn't won a playoff game since 2016. And they've, they've kept him there because like the Steelers ownership group believe and continuity of coaches. So listen, the packers are a very well run organization, so there's obviously an ounce of hater that is coming out of me when we're talking about this. And Brian Gudenkost is very good. Just announced. Yeah, just, just a smidge.
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Danny Parkins
Feels like 16 ounces. It might be 40 proof.
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Colin Cowherd
It might be 40 proof. Can you pass me some of that whiskey, by the way? It looks delicious, Ed. Policy by the name is the new. The new Mark Murphy, the new Ted Thompson. I just, I have a. I think that they are very well run. They are very good at drafting. They. Historically, you are 100% correct. Have not been a free agent team. But it's also not because part of it is because they don't. They're not attractive to free agents. But in the NFL, it's. Guys normally go where the money is normally, right. Like Reggie White going to Green Bay was like a massive deal on a number of levels because of race and religion and location and all that. They also paid him a boatload of money. Like, I remember when Mario Williams went to Buffalo, everyone was like, remember that? Everything, oh my God, Buffalo got a big free agent. And I was like, he got a hundred million dollars anywhere. So Green. But Green Bay has also talked about like a lot of like, they believe philosophically, organizationally, in building through the draft. They don't, they don't even like really pursue big time free agents. Like, part of it, I'm sure, is a geographic disadvantage, but I think part of it is also just like organizational philosophy. And they're very good. And I think Jordan Love is just good enough to throw a backbreaking interception in the playoffs this year. Colin. That's what I think.
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Danny Parkins
Let's wrap it up with your pivot, a position you had. And now through either cultural changes, information, clarity, you have moved off it. Any sport, anything.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay. Yeah, good follow up. You're going to hold me to it. So maybe this doesn't answer your question perfectly, but I think it's a decent answer. I used to want to fire coaches for bad game management decisions, messing up timeouts. Messing up you and Nick Wright. Yeah, messing up. Go for it on fourth downs. It would drive me insane. And I still don't like it. To be very, very clear. And I do think teams in general have gotten better at it because they've brought, you know, MIT nerds and analytic departments in and like, they've like streamlined their process. But like, I'm talking, like, by the way, like, I can go back like Mike McCarthy on the packers when they were in the NFC championship game against Seattle in like 2010 or whatever. He's got Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers is MVP of the league. And he's given the ball to Eddie Lacy inside the five yard line instead of letting Aaron Rodgers try to throw. And then he's settling for short field goals. It was. This is like before the analytic, but even at the time you have Aaron Rodgers, six is more than three go for touchdowns. What are you doing? I used to want to like fire guys for that, but then. And like Andy Reid is a big reason why I changed this. Like, Andy Reid has struggled at times in a. And remember I covered Andy Reid in the Alex Smith era when he was coming off of the Philadelphia era. I did not cover Andy Reid when he had Superman as his quarterback. But Andy Reid would sometimes do things, be slow at the end of half, let the clock run, punt from midfield. And I was like, this is so dumb. But God damn, that guy would win and he would win double digit games and he would get. Alex Smith had the best year of his career with him. And then you go back through and you look at it and it was like, okay, not only did Alex Smith have the best year of his career with Andy Reid, but so did Kevin Cobb, Jeff Garcia, Mike Vick, Donovan McNabb.
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Danny Parkins
Like, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
So the epiphany was like, it's the part that drives guys like me and Nick crazy because we are sitting on our couch watching in HD with the clock and the time and the score and we can do that part. But the biggest part of coaching is very clearly not that the biggest part of coaching is Monday through Saturday, the game plan that how you game plan for the Broncos is different than how you game plan for the Lions. And it's like a week to week chess. And that's what Andy Reid is the best I've ever seen in my lifetime of watching football. And so like that it is a part of coaching that still drives me crazy. And I will still yell at my TV about it, but I will. Unless you have like, no, like, I will never advocate firing a good coach for something like that. You know, like if Brian Callahan can't do it and he can't coach, well, then sure, just like add it to the list of reasons why he should be gone. But it's not like the, it's not as big of a part of being a good coach as I originally thought it was because I think I gained like a more global understanding of like what the job entails. I don't know that I Fully, adequately. Adequately answered your question. But like is a position that I totally have changed on and it's now more of like a nuisance than like a foundational principle. But I also think, as I go around here, I also think teams have gotten way better at it. Like, Dan Campbell is at the forefront of it. But like, teams now all employ game theory. People.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, like, no. And I've talked to a lot of, I probably say my best sources in sports are NFL GMs, ex GMs, current GMs, guys that want to be GMs. And they've always said that a coach is a CEO. If you get the schemes along with it, it's a total bonus. But they've got to be a part. Psychologist Bill Parcells was brilliant at that. They've got to be an understanding of personnel. Jimmy Johnson was a master of that. They have to be play designers. Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Shanahan, Masters of that. And that clock management is often, you have a sense that that's what you do during the week. You do all these two minute drills and red zone drills and then you let the game develop. And Phil Jackson used to never call the first time out. I covered that Blazer Lakers series with the iconic Shaq dunk. The Blazers took 10 point leads multiple times. Phil wanted his team to figure out dilemmas. His theory was, I'm not going to wait. I'm not calling the first time out. I want you to figure it out. Because when that happens again later in a game, we have a dynamic. We have been through this. And so Phil was like, it's like being a parent. I'm not gonna solve all your issues. You need to solve some of your issues. So a lot of this stuff especially, I want to see if Cam Ward can handle the clock. We're not going to the Super Bowl. What I have to find out is, can I get him from week three to week 12 to be a better quarterback? I'm not solving all your issues. So I was told that years ago by a guy like, he goes, when people beat, he goes, you don't know the injuries. A lot of times you can't use certain substitution patterns. You're like, why don't you go get this? Yeah, you can't actually use it, but you didn't advertise it to the other team that that tight end is hurt. And he's like, there's matchups that are a problem. There's sometimes a GM told me this, once he goes, you'll go into certain weeks by November and You literally have a guard that has got 12 to 18 snaps in him. And you're just try. Kurt Schilling once told me when he got old, he goes, I had 12 fastballs. You can't use them in the first two innings. You've got to save them. You'll go in and have a right guard and you're like, he's got about 15 snaps, but we need 40. And so you run to the other side. You don't do, as you know, pass protect against that matchup. So it literally. There's other things now. The backups get hurt and you're like, well, we don't have another slot corner, so we're going to have to play softer coverage here because that's a physical receiver. So through the years, I've learned there's a lot of stuff you just don't advertise. But you go into games by November, you've got all sorts of holes. You just can't let them know them in the first two drives.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, the, the dirty little secret is like, our jobs are to be interesting and to have big, strong opinions which are interesting and hopefully entertaining. But the ones of those of us who are self aware also will admit, whether privately or publicly in a quiet moment how much we don't know. Like, we're operating with limited information. These coaches are lying to us. We don't know who is healthy. We don't know what the game plans are. We don't know a lot of the circumstances around it. And you know, Kurt Warner's been doing this thing on Twitter where he's like, how do you guys all have such strong opinions on Monday before you've watched the tape? I'm like, because that's when the show starts. Like, what do you mean? Like, that's, that's. That's when the show starts. We watch the game, we do as best we can. We talk to the people that we can talk to. We do the stat work. We do the stat.
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Danny Parkins
That reminds me, me. That reminds me of the. There's a moment. Theo Vaughn has a, has a, a podcast he calls this past weekend.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
And he had a guest on and the very. It's an actor that's very popular. And the, the guest. The actor goes, where did you come up with the name of that? And he goes, well, my first show was on Monday, so I named it this past weekend.
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Colin Cowherd
And the guest is like. He's like, that's actually brilliant.
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Danny Parkins
And he's like, oh, that's why I named it that. It was a Monday pod, and this past weekend. And it's the same sort of thing as the one thing about our business. There used to be. I think his name was Frank Rich. He was a brilliant writer for the New York Times. Brilliant. I think he was my favorite columnist in the history of the country. I think he went on to write Vice. He went from the New York Times. I think he covered Broadway. He became like the Sunday columnist. I think he was writing one column a week. Frank Rich, 1. I would read it every week. A lot of great columnists. He was next level. And I remember his final column, he said, what I really regret. And remember, this is one column a week. I do three hours a day. He said, sometimes I was forced to have really strong opinions, and I just didn't. And I'm like, on one column a week. But the truth is. Yeah, but the truth is. He's right. Like, not every week you have this volcanic emotional eruption over an issue. Now, Trump, I do think, historically, makes it a little easier if you're not a Trump fan. Right. In our. Just our political country. The tribalism. It's easier now than it was like when he was writing the column 10, 15 years ago. But it is. That's one of the things in our business, is urgency. I try to make sure. I try to make stories urgent. I'm not saying something I don't believe, but you do have to create a sense of energy and urgency. You can't go monotone and go, here's another story. Like, so, you know.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Right. By the way, Frank Rich, Veep, which is an incredible comedy, by the way. I did not know that. Yeah. I don't know if you've seen Veep, but that's amazing. Of course, one of the great insult comedy shows ever.
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Danny Parkins
So, so inappropriate. Some of the things they said. I'm like, like, how do you.
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Colin Cowherd
Hbo, baby. HBO is how you get away with it, man. Are you kidding? Yeah. So, yeah, he's Veeped in succession. And a New York Times columnist. That's awesome. What a great book.
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Danny Parkins
He's the best. Yeah. Best columnist I've ever read. And I mean, it was like the Sopranos. It was must read on Sunday or must watch. Not that much does it for me now it's streaming. My wife's trying to get me into this Jason Bateman show with.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. With Jude Law. I haven't started it yet.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. And I said, God, it's like six episodes. That's such a commitment. I watched the Charlie Sheen doc that was two. And that was enough. And I mean, I barely got through it because he was such a hazmat spill. It was exhausting.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I watched episode one and I haven't hit play on episode two. It's just a. It's a long, slow trainer. Have you done the Studio? Did you watch the Studio, the Apple TV show?
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Danny Parkins
Okay, so you know, Hollywood loves Hollywood and the last two Emmys. A show about Hollywood is one. So I watched an episode. I didn't get the inside jokes. I am not anti Hollywood. I watch the Oscars. I like movies. I go to the theater still. I'm kind of. I have, you know, I've got a deal with Hulu abc. Now I'm doing. I have another deal that'll be. We just got our first script done. I like it. I'm fascinated by it. I don't get it. I feel like an outsider. But it is. What was your question? I forget.
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Colin Cowherd
No, if you'd seen the Studio.
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Danny Parkins
Oh, I watched Studio. I watched the first episode and I didn't get a lot of it. It was a lot of esoteric stuff and I just didn't get it. And I thought, okay, they're talking a mile over my head. I didn't understand. Now I watched. Years ago, there was a movie called the Player, which was similar in it's stylistically how. It was kind of an inside joke that for some reason I got. I didn't get the Studio.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, I love Seth Rogen, and so I. And I thought the show was shot beautifully and so I thought it was hilarious and really well done and it got better as it went. So I was just gonna recommend it to you if you hadn't seen it. There's some seriously hilarious cameos in it, and it's absurdist comedy, but it's also shot beautifully, cool cinematography. So I dug the show.
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Danny Parkins
So I watched the first episode. I didn't go to a second. So you. You're saying it gets better?
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Colin Cowherd
Absolutely. And I think, listen. I don't listen. I don't know if 23 Emmys is, you know, that seems. That seemed a little much. And you're right. These things that Hollywood loves Hollywood. But yeah, I was a big fan of the studio, but I also like. I mean, I like most things that Seth Rogen does. I like anybody who can convince studios to give him like $80 million to make end of the world comedy where him and his friends just play themselves his scripts. The pitches are Sausage party. We want to do an R rated animated movie about grocery store items. And it's like what? Pineapple Express. We want to do an action movie, stoner comedy that involves shootouts and explosions. We'd like $100 million. He's like, what? And he gets them all done, so. I love his brain, man. Seth Rogen's the best.
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Danny Parkins
Danny Parkins, you are too, my friend. It's good we got to do this more often, because every time I do it, we just go in a million directions. I didn't do any prep for this.
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Colin Cowherd
That makes two of us.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. You.
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Colin Cowherd
You call me every five or six weeks, and I'm a little insulted. I want to come on more, so anytime.
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Danny Parkins
Let's do it. I don't bring Nick Wright on as much because. Poker. Yeah, I hired him. That's a good call. Like, I. I got what I want. I don't need you anymore.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I realize what happened there. Yeah. You now have what's right with the little V next to it, and so you don't need to bring about anymore. I'm happy to fill the void.
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Danny Parkins
Happy to. Thanks, buddy.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
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