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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Barstool’s Netflix Deal, Joe Burrow’s Trade Value? Tua’s Career Over? NBA Cup Is Great
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Colin Cowherd
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.
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Danny Parkins
The volume.
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Sophie Cunningham
This episode is brought to you by Netflix. Netflix is basically Santa this year. Two NFL games on Christmas Day streaming live at 1 Eastern. Cowboys commanders. Dallas is suddenly red hot. Could play big for the NFC playoff picture. Then at 4:30, you've got the Lions struggling against the Vikings. That's Midwest football playoff stakes. Two teams battling it out for the number one seed last year must win for Detroit. So Washington Hol. Football's a tradition the whole family can get into. Settle and watch it. The NFL Christmas Day games live on Netflix starting at 1pm Eastern time. Watching holiday football is a tradition the whole family can enjoy. Open some gifts, grab some food, settle in and watch NFL live on Netflix Christmas Day starting at 1pm Eastern Time. All right, it's time for sit down for about 45 minutes to an hour with Danny Parkins. We have a lot of stuff to address in the media, so let's get right to this. So there was an announcement today. Iheart, Netflix. Netflix is buying all sorts of podcasts. And I was scrolling around right before this. I stay off the phone mostly. Prep show, train ride home. Right. I try to be intentional with my phone viewing, but I was dinking around here, so it's off the top of my head here. Barstool Dave Portnoy. It was getting crap. It was being called a sellout, you know, for doing the Netflix deal. And it was really interesting and I know you'll appreciate this. Dave owns a company, I Heart's company. I own a company. Podcasting is audio. I listen to podcasts. I don't watch them. I may try it. Netflix, absolutely. I've done before. I've watched some, some Joe Rogan before the visual version, but their podcasts were built for audio. So now YouTube kind of controlled the universe. It is a win for anybody that owns a company and a podcaster if the dominating position is challenged. Like when FS1 was created and people criticized it and I thought, are you idiots? This gives you leverage in negotiation. The people at ESPN ripping it. I'm like, do you want no competition for ESPN? So to me, YouTube dominated in that space. Netflix a competitor. It's good for people like iheart and Dave Portnoy and me and the Volume. Eventually. And my example is this. Baseball was on radio only for years. For years, for decades. And then came a TV broadcast and then multiple TV networks vying for it. Baseball wasn't selling out to go to television. It was expanding. First of all, they expanded TV and then eventually multiple TV sooners joined in to compete for it. That's not selling out. That is the space expanding and opening up. And that's always good for baseball. Podcasting, iheart Barstool Volume, anybody? There's my rant.
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Danny Parkins
I think it's a, I think it's a good rant. The only thing that I think you left out, and this I won't. I'll take a position on what you said in a second. Of course it's good for like you and me, like, content creators, more people who would want to like, bid on our content and like store our content, distribute. Of course it's good for you and me. Of course it's good for the companies and you own one and that's amazing and all that. I think the, I assume the people that were calling him a sellout and I didn't see that, but I assume that that wasn't like media executives. It was like people on Twitter. Like, the question is, is it going to be good for the consumer? Like, if you watch these podcasts on video and your preferred method of Viewing it is YouTube and that is free and you don't pay for Netflix and now you want to watch, Pardon My Take or the Breakfast Club or whatever, one of the, you know, middle cost podcasts, like, whatever, whatever one you watch now, you have to watch it in a different place exclusively. If you don't subscribe to that place, you are now faced with a choice to either stop watching, listen only, or subscribe. So I think for the consumer it's like barrier of entry. Like I saw there was some criticism that the NBA cup final was not on regular tv and it's like, well, yeah, the world is changing. Is it a little frustrating as like, yeah, we are content creators, but like, is it a little frustrating that Peacock and Netflix and Fox and CBS and NBC and ESPN and then these NFL games are in a million different places. NBA games are in a million different place. And it's like, I got an idea, let's bundle it all together and call it cable. And it would be a lot, it would, it would be a lot easier for, for the consumer. But the world has just changed a million times since that bundle and it's going to continue to. I do watch a lot of YouTube. Like, I will watch a clip of like the one that was going viral recently. I thought it was amazing. Will Arnett on Conan o' Brien's podcast talking about, talking about grief. And I've obviously dealt with a lot in that space in my recent life. And I was like, it was beautiful. I've watched the clip legitimately probably eight times and sent it to probably 20 people. I didn't listen to that. I saw a video clip and you know what I mean? So I. I do consume some of this stuff in video form. And so I'm just. I'm interested in it from Netflix's standpoint of do they think it's going to get more subscribers, or do they think it is going to just look at time spent on the app and they want more people on their app so that they click over to their other program? My hunch is it's the latter. Like, I'd be surprised if there were a bunch of new signups because of this.
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Sophie Cunningham
That's right.
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Danny Parkins
Like, time spent on the app is their place. Correct.
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Sophie Cunningham
That's. That's my take, is that Netflix is going to these companies taking another reason to stick. You go for a documentary and you're like, oh, God, I'll stick for another half hour and watch this pod. It has a stick quality to it. You may not go specifically for, you know, whatever the podcast is. I also think there are much larger audio audiences of podcasting than visual audiences of podcasting. That's my take. You know, I've seen my numbers. It's bigger in audio than it is the visual portion of it. I also want to mention Tony Kornheiser got dragged a little bit on the Internet. You know, he's an older guy, and he said, I didn't watch the NBA cup because it wasn't on real tv. I thought a better way to say it, and maybe he was doing that to kind of, you know, play kind of like the wrestling play to the character a little bit. You know, he's an older guy. I'm not doing that. That's funny. What he was really saying is the NBA product is not enough to drive me to streaming, which I think is true. I've said this before. I think espn, the incumbent, will do well with a new contract. NBC will hemorrhage money, but they'll find an audience streaming to get me to streaming. Amazon did it with Thursday Night Football. They've done it with documentaries. Great series, an occasional fight, but you can't get me to regular season anything outside of football for streaming. That's. I think the point Tony was making. That kind of runs alongside what he said was, yeah, I'm not. NBA's not getting me to a streaming platform. That is why I believe Amazon, because they have a reservoir of money. I mean, I ordered three things on Amazon in the Last week. They can hemorrhage money. NBC is going to hemorrhage money and they're going to have layoffs. It's not. They're going to lose a billion dollars a year on that thing. ESPN is the incumbent. The incumbent doesn't have to buy 40 new, you know, reporters, directors, producers. They've got their remote unit set up. But I think to that point, the. I don't Adam Silver smart to do it. The owners absolutely love it. But I do wonder how many people are going to go to Amazon to watch NBA. I think the number is going to be small.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. Why. And I mean, will we even know the number? You know, like, like there's. How do we know? Like, there's the, the. It's like all internal data stuff when they release it. And they're like 26 million people watched that NFL game on Christmas. I'm like, I guess I'll take your word for it. You know what I mean? It's not like it's out there available for everyone or that everyone can verify it. It's like independent data that, that they keep. And so I think the Amazon thing, and you mentioned it in terms of like, they, they have obviously unlimited money and they can hemorrhage it. They. It's already happened and I think it is only going to just keep happening. But, like, the integration on these Amazon broadcasts to buying things is pretty amazing. And the first time I stumbled on it was like a couple of months ago. I clicked on my remote, like, accidentally, but it was at a time when on the broadcast it was saying like, during, like one of the, like the picture. In picture commercials where they're like showing the teams coming on and off the field. So they didn't completely go to a commercial, but then they showed a commercial like in the other box and it was like, you know, click okay to get an email about this product. And I clicked okay because I was trying to change off of something or mute or whatever I was doing. You can just now buy the thing that's on commercial on the Amazon broadcast. That is clearly the future. And a pretty, you know, like, it's a pretty amazing thing. Like, so they can pay for the NFL and get 20 million people to be on their app. And the reason they did Black Friday, why do they do Black Friday? It's their biggest day of the year, right? So, like, I'm watching Bears Eagles, and obviously I'm very invested in this game. But also I know that there's all these Black Friday deals and every time there's a commercial, you have the option to buy it right there through your remote. Or if it's like a more complicated thing, like an insurance plan, it's like, would you like an email with all of these details and if you just click one button through your prime account that is linked to it, they'll send it to you. So I totally see the reason why Amazon wants yes event events that get large amounts of people onto their server. Even if that game would get a million people on ESPN for an NBA game, if they get 250,000 people for an NBA game on 5% buy, yeah, that's. Amazon is the easiest one to understand, like why they want to get into it because it's a mall. You can buy literally anything right there on their product. So yeah, the Amazon one I don't question at all.
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Sophie Cunningham
Yeah, I mean, I know it's not easy for the consumer, but there are certain things, like I like the challenge of owning a company. And I mean, did you see Lucas Shaw is somebody I follow on Twitter. He's a media guy.
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Danny Parkins
Okay.
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Sophie Cunningham
And Lucas Shaw said for the first time in was it a decade, cord cutting went the opposite direction. It added cable, added subscribers. Again, doesn't mean the end of cord cutting, but what it shows is the demand has been so relentless on the consumer with buying new and more streaming services. Some people have said the hell with it, I'm gonna go back to cable. I'm not paying 300, I'll pay 180 and I won't watch most of what's on cable. But I'm not, you know, I mean, look at, we've got inflation that's reportedly high, unemployment numbers have ticked up. I mean stuff matters. Egg prices were a topic a year ago.
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Danny Parkins
Well, and I mean, so I have not cut the cord because I'm like in my line of work, our line of work, same, the easiest barrier of entry to get the most things on my television is still my preferred method. And I'm gonna pay for the services anyway. Like what I spend on cable, Internet and add on services is exorbitant. But it's literally our job. So it's just like, it's like paying for water, you know what I mean? It's not even a thing I really think about, which I know is coming from a place of privilege. But for my friends, ton of people my age, most people my age, most of my best friends don't pay for cable, but I often will hear them or in the group chats or whatever. YouTube TV upped the price Again, and they're not. These are, these are guys who are traders, lawyers. It's not that they, it's not that they can't afford it, but, but they initially cut the, cut the cord to save the money, like, because they were tech, Tech savvy.
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Sophie Cunningham
This is why Netflix entering the podcast space is good eventually for the consumer. Because YouTube basically ran it. Correct. It owned a space. And that's never healthy for the consumer or the podcaster or the podcast company.
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Danny Parkins
Right. I think it will get there. And I think at the beginning the consumer's gonna be like, wait, I've watched the last 500 episodes of Pardon My Take on YouTube. Now I have to do what, you know what I mean? Like, there will be. It's a disruption. There will be a.
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Sophie Cunningham
By the way, who doesn't have Netflix at this point?
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Danny Parkins
No, I agree, I agree. But it still is a change in habit, right? For whatever. And I'm sure it'll be easy and I'm sure it'll be heavily promoted on the app and all of those things.
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Sophie Cunningham
You know what is. I've always tried to give away as much of my content. Bill Simmons and I had this discussion once, give it away for free. And a great example. Oprah was the biggest star on tv. She left, right? She left broadcast TV and literally disappeared. Irrelevant. She got rich. So she chose wealth over relevance at that point in her career. I think that was the right call.
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Danny Parkins
Once she like owns Hawaii. So yeah, it was probably, it was probably the right call.
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Sophie Cunningham
Howard Stern, most relevant radio guy in the world, went to Sirius, got rich. Not nearly as relevant. Howard Stern would do it again. I've always had this theory. When 6 is the first number of your age, get out of relevance. You don't need to be more famous at the grocery store. Go with wealth as you're brand building in your 20s, 30s, 40s, you start getting late 50s and somebody comes up and says, I'm going to put you behind a paywall and pay you seven times what you made in FM radio. You take the money, it's all the Bill Murray line, which is people say, rich and famous. Try the rich. That'll do. That'll be. You'll find that will be just fine. So my take is, let's say Pardon. My take does lose some audience if they're getting an additional 4 million each from the company. You take it. The dudes have busted their ass for. I mean, what do they do, a three hour podcast? They've been busting their ass for years.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, well, yeah, I Mean not to like pocket watch those guys, you know, but they, yeah, they, they do. Well, I saw one clip of that they were talking about, like, and like, it. It helps like pay the behind the scenes people more because the people that are in charge video get to monetize all of that. It's again, for the content creator. It's a no brainer. Like, especially because you guys like the people that like, they're really paying to do this. Like the big names they're hauling over there. You all already have your relevance. And in the podcast space, like the Breakfast Club made its. They made it in audio. Part of my take made it in audio. And none of the audio is changing. You could still listen on itunes, Spotify.
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Sophie Cunningham
That's right.
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Danny Parkins
Wherever you get your podcast.
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Sophie Cunningham
And that's their larger audience.
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Danny Parkins
Correct. So to them, they don't like, oh, selling out. Okay. I'll be like that scene on the. The bed in the hotel in the presidential suite in Dumb and Dumber. Just like wiping my tears with hundred dollar bills, like yelling out like, yeah, for those. Those guys probably got mil. You would know better than me if I got millions of dollars. Like, they'll be fine with that criticism in their mentions on X.
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Sophie Cunningham
For the record, I did a rant today to lead my show, and I tend to have my lead on a star athlete or a star team. And I did it on the NBA Cup. And I said, people that complain a lot are rarely creators. Surround yourself with creators, not complainers. Yeah, it's. And I said, the people that bitch about the NBA cup, they don't watch the NBA. They don't. And it's like rural guy in Kentucky ripping California. It's like, bro, we're the fourth biggest economy in the world and the weather's perfect. We're doing just fine. California is doing just fine. I know living with goats is your chosen docile. I'm for that. And so when I hear guys ripping the NBA cup, my take is I watched the players. They gave a shit. They were into it last night. They were. I'll tell you this, the NBA players I watched last night were more into that than the COVID Orlando experience where the Lakers won the title and did sort of this weird fake inauthentic cheering and there was no crowd. Like, I watched last night. I'm like, these guys are busting their butt. They're totally into this thing. So. And if it takes an extra check to get there, who cares? Like coloring the court. Like, I like the swing of Adam Silver.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, Undeniable. And I love that he like that. He unapologetically stole it from the Premier League, like you said. He's like, it works in European soccer. I believe eventually it will work here. I'm like, that is like, one of my favorite things a commissioner in sports has said in my lifetime. Because it's just. Because so much where there's like, we're America and it's our game, and like, we. We have the best ideas. And it's like, no, no, no. I think this thing works, and it shouldn't be that we have 30 teams and only one is happy at the end of the. Let's do something else and let's try it. And so, like, is the. Like, how much should a fan care about something new? Reasonable minds can disagree on that. How much are the players doing it for the money? I'm actually a little skeptical of it. I actually think that it's like, these guys are super competitive, and they're like. They're like, oh, there's a trophy being given out. Like, it's not like the crowning accomplishment of my career. It's not going to be the first story I tell my grandkids. But, like, bragging rights, you know, you feel like, who won it? Giannis has won it. You know, like, the Thunder were in the finals, and then we're in the semis this year, it's like, oh, Danny.
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Sophie Cunningham
When I was in local radio, I didn't get paid more for good ratings books, but I loved winning. Yeah, yeah.
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Danny Parkins
You said I had a better contract. You didn't have ratings. How's the matter with you? So you're savvy business guy. You got to at least get a little extra 5k, a little extra 10k a quarter. What's going on?
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Sophie Cunningham
But no, like, something to me, of course.
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Danny Parkins
Of course you're competitive. But then the other thing that I think is this is where we're at three years into it. Imagine how it's going to feel in 23 years. It's only going to get more competitive and more popular as it becomes more a part of the fabric of the sport and people get used to it. It's the debate over the. The banner is silly to me. Like, the NBA should mandate it, and it's like, it shouldn't. You don't. The banner shouldn't be as big as a championship banner. You don't even need to have a night where you raise the banner. It could just be like, they won on a Tuesday. The next time the Knicks play a home game, it's just up and it's just NBA. It's just NBA. The banner at the top says NBA Cup Champion 2025. That's it. Don't need to, don't need to make it. You don't need to raise a banner, black it out, call back your legends. Like it's just like it should be. If the Lakers can figure it out with 17 championships, like put it up, make it a league mandated thing so that it is celebrated, so that it is talked about. So that is because it's only going to get more popular. I saw Silver said what he's like we're looking at doing it at like prestigious college arenas.
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Sophie Cunningham
Yes.
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Danny Parkins
Cool. Like Allen Fieldhouse or Cameron Indoor. Like Cameron Indoor. 9,000 people in an arena for an NBA game. That would be really cool. That's like that, that is a, that is a good idea. And I've been to Allen Fieldhouse. Those people will go nuts for that, that game. Like that, that's a, that's a good idea. So I, I like that they try stuff and I think it's only going to get more popular.
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Sophie Cunningham
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Danny Parkins
And Doug, what a horrible call. Hey, Raph. Open your eyes, ref. You're really not gonna call that? Come on.
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Sophie Cunningham
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Danny Parkins
I don't think you get what we're doing. Sure I do. We're all just giving him advice. You guys on sports, me on saving money. No, that's not it.
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Sophie Cunningham
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Doug
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Danny Parkins
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Doug
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Colin Cowherd
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Sophie Cunningham
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Sophie Cunningham
There. I love in sports when I can't figure out something and then you have an aha moment and I kind of had one over the last two weeks. So for years, the last several years, I could not figure out how Russell Wilson went from elite to maybe just a really good backup with no major injury. And he wasn't that old. And I kept saying it. I mean it was like literally a two year topic. I don't Understand it. What? Great. Really good. Is he a backup? But no. And then I watched Tua the last two weeks, and I went, wait, Tua's about his size. Oh, wait. And then I watch Kyler Murray. Arizona doesn't want to play him. And I've come to the conclusion that smaller quarterbacks could not withstand Justin Herbert's career and that those hits are more punitive. And if you watch Tua last on Monday night, he is afraid to get hit. That's not disputable. Like, that's been said by Gruden. Multiple people out there, Bruce Arians, like, he didn't want to get hit. Kyler Murray, I was told by an NFL guy his rookie year who sacked him. He's like, bro, I know when somebody's scared when I hit them. And Russell Wilson didn't get hit a lot, but he got hit enough. And so I watched Tua go from Pro bowl to good to can't play a lick. And it sort of unraveled the mystery of Russell Wilson, which is size matters at quarterback. Smaller quarterbacks age overnight. If they lose elusiveness, if they get hit too many times, they. They don't withstand the punishment. And frankly, I mean, ask yourself, if you got hit by football players who could bench twice your weight and you. How many hits we dealing? Justin Herbert? Six. Six. I had dinner with her GM, the Chargers, last week. He goes, I think he's six. Seven, actually. You guys are short. Changing him. Six. Seven is an NBA small forward. Right. And he's 238. So I guess. I guess my point was I. I feel like the TUA story is the reality of small quarterbacks. They age.
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Danny Parkins
Overnight. First of all, I hope the Chargers general manager knows how tall Justin Herbert is. He's like, I think he's seven. You should know if any. If anyone in the world should know exactly how tall Justin Herbert is. It's the Chargers general manager. Yeah. I saw you ask Brady on the show about the hype thing for quarterbacks, and I thought he gave a great answer. There are outliers, but that doesn't disprove the rule. Right. It's like Kurt Warner succeeded, and he was a grocery store bagger. That doesn't mean you should go to your shop, Right. To find the next great.
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Sophie Cunningham
Quarterback.
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Danny Parkins
Right? Like, Drew Brees was 6ft tall. He's 6ft tall, and he got better as his career went on. And he was unbelievable. But he's also, like, one of the best throwers of the football ever, you know? Like, he's just crazy Accurate, crazy smart. His highlights don't really make any sense. Like, is he throwing from his tiptoes? Yeah, he is. He done that for the decade. Like, it's like. It's like a we. But it's like, well, but that doesn't mean that. If I was a general manager, I'd be like, I want to find the next Drew Brees. Like, it doesn't. There's one. You know, there's not. There's not many guys that you would like. Long, sustained career at that size. And so, yeah, I think it's totally reasonable. The only thing I would say about Tua is, man, it's sad, but it's just true. Like, he's concussion prone, and he played in an era where we know as much as we do about concussions, that he's clearly been told, you can't get concussions, man. Like, if. Because it happened like when they. When he had the multiple concussions quick and he was having the fencing response, and it was really, like, tough to watch. He got it. He got a concussion. And I don't remember the exact sequence of what happened, but they put him on IR immediately. And it. Maybe he came out of the protocol sooner than that. But it got to the point where Mike McDaniel was like, well, we. We. I can't. You can't have a concussion and then play two of the next.
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Sophie Cunningham
Week.
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Danny Parkins
It. It felt cruel and reckless and like, you know, like. But then they can't win without Tua. Apparently, no one else can run. Run his offense. And so what do you do with that guy? You probably tell him, hey, man, priority number one, don't get a concussion. Well, so then you combine small quarterback, not the strongest arm playing to not get hit. And you get what we saw the other night, where it's like, what, Is your career.
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Sophie Cunningham
Over? Yes.
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Danny Parkins
Right. Like.
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Sophie Cunningham
It'S. It's.
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Danny Parkins
Over. His career's over because he's way too expensive and too accomplished and he's made too much money and he's like, too young. Is he going to play for 6 million bucks to be someone's. To be a. To be Patrick Mahomes his backup next year? Like, that would shock me in.
- [33:06]
Sophie Cunningham
A way, in a strange.
- [33:07]
Danny Parkins
Way. Not that it would be next year because of what his contract, but, like, two years from now is to a five to $10 million a year backup for a great.
- [33:15]
Sophie Cunningham
Quarterback. That would shock me in a weird way. He got paid. He got his guaranteed money. He said, good life, and he's probably best served to not play anymore. Because of the concussions. In a sense, it played out. Not beautifully, but it played out ironically the way it should have. He made a Pro bowl, he got paid. There were concussions, he got better, he got bad quickly. And it's probably time to leave now, not stay for four years. Like most guys could drag it on. In a way, it all played out. Won an Addie, drafted first round, made a Pro bowl, got paid. Concussion stuff, really bad comes back. Not the same player that was always probably going to be his career. Right. Like once he had the first couple concussions, you're like, okay, it's like a big man in the NBA getting injured. They don't go 11 years not getting injured. That's just the. Your body's not meant to be 7:3, right? Just.
- [34:28]
Danny Parkins
Not. Can you, can you imagine just because you mentioned the dinner with the Chargers gm, like I would have loved to know. Next time you have dinner with him, I'll fly out. Because Justin Herbert's probably my favorite non Caleb Williams player in football. Like, I love watching Justin Herbert play football have for forever. I can't imagine being in that draft room being like, God, I hope the Dolphins take two over Herbert. Like, what an insane decision. When you're talking, you're talking about like height. Like one guy looks like Tua, the other guy looks like Justin Herbert. And like you're like, I'm going to. I just like it's a mind.
- [35:07]
Sophie Cunningham
Boggling. So I have insight to that. Tom Telescoe is a.
- [35:10]
Danny Parkins
Friend. I would love to hear as much about that as you're willing to.
- [35:14]
Sophie Cunningham
Share. Okay. Tom liked both. Tom was leaning to a. Because he thought Herbert was mechanical. He was a little.
- [35:23]
Danny Parkins
Stiff.
- [35:24]
Sophie Cunningham
Yeah. Tom goes, I'm going to the Rose Bowl. Oregon's taking on Wisconsin and Wisconsin had, if you recall, a great defense for about a two year stretch. They had. The former NFL player came back and was their D coordinator. So he went and watched him and I said, what did you think? And he's like, yeah, you got to see Herbert in person. First of all, he's way bigger in person than on tv. And Tom said, secondly, he is really, really athletic. He said, Tom came to the conclusion that Mario Cristobal did not have a backup he believed in. So they played a very super conservative offense. Ohio State did this with CJ Stroud. They never let him run. And then he played Georgia in his final game and they let C.J. stroud run and he was running all over. And you're like, oh, C.J. stroud's athletic. Justin Herbert was a very protect Justin. We don't have a backup we love. And Mario knew it was a really good team that could get to a Rose Bowl. And then you get to play Wisconsin and you're like, okay, kid, do your magic. And Tom said, you watched it and went, oh, okay. This is a different version of the guy. And by the way, John Snyder feels this way. The Seahawk gm. You got to go to the games. You just. There's certain things you got to see. You got to be on the sideline before the game. You got to look at their confidence. You got to see. You got to hear the ball when they throw it past you. Can you hear it? Like there's a lot of things that you.
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Danny Parkins
Want. How they interact with teammates. Do they hang their.
- [36:56]
Sophie Cunningham
Head? I watch Bo Nicks. So I went. I had a place for a while in Utah and the Ducks were in town. And I had seen Washington, Oregon, I'd seen Bo Nix and Michael Penix. I went to the game because I was a Husky fan and a Duck fan, but I wanted to see these two quarterbacks. I thought, I can kill two birds, one stone, go to Husky Stadium. And a few weeks later they played Utah. I was literally at my house. I'm like, it's just down the road. I want to go watch the game. And I got, strangely, a great seat two rows in and I was right behind Bo.
- [37:24]
Danny Parkins
Nix. It wasn't strange. It wasn't strange. You're Colin Cowherd. I didn't think you were going to be in section three. 46. Go ahead. Sorry. Okay, so I don't know how, but I got a sideline pass and then my ticket was on the 40 yard line in the second row. I don't know how it happened. I have an idea, but go.
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Sophie Cunningham
Ahead. So he's cut. Bo's cut. When you see him, he is like. It reminded me of D. Wade's body. You're like, that guy lives in a gym. The second thing was he was on the sideline and they were winning comfortably. I mean, he was a coach bar turn player. And I was like, holy shit, that is a frickin. He was intense. And they were up by three touchdowns early. Bo Nix is. And I was just like, oh, wow, okay, that. That's the first round. So I knew Sean Payton at the time. And I said, sean, let me tell you a story about Bonix. I'm like, that guy's impressive in person. And Sean, you know, he loved him just before he even saw him on film. And you know his personality. The dad was a coach. But I guess the whole point being is when you see Herbert in person, or you see some of these quarterbacks in person, to hear the ball, to see the interaction, it's different than you and I. That's why I go to two or three college games a year. I want to see people in.
- [38:38]
Danny Parkins
Person. Yeah, I think that that's. I mean, that's. That's what scouting is, right? You can't just watch the film. There's all sorts of soft factors. It's interesting, the Herbert mechanical thing. I think that's totally fair. Like, he's. The last couple of years, I think it translated to the pros. I think he was very, you know, make the right read. Sometimes you would throw short of the sticks a little bit too much, but you know what I mean? I think. I think that that, like, was a fair criticism of him. But for me, I also was just like, there was. It was always like, man, you know what? That guy's not the problem. Like, his rookie, his rookie year, he's not even supposed to start. Tyrod Taylor has the needle, and the needle, the mistake, punctured lung thing. He comes in and he plays in week two. And at the end of the year against Mahomes. Yeah, right. Exactly. The end of the year, he's got 31 touchdown passes, which is still a record for rookie players. And I'm like, unbelievable. He said. Three head coaches, he said, I think four play callers. He's had disastrous injuries around.
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Sophie Cunningham
Him.
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Danny Parkins
Always. They just have terrible luck, terrible special teams. Until this year, finally, Dicker is an unbelievable kicker. Like, he's obviously got a coach who knows how to win. Still horrifying injury luck. Most offensive line combinations in the NFL. Like, I just. I want to see one year and I know everybody gets hurt. Just like one year where Justin Herbert has just like above average luck around him. Because I. I'm just. To me, it's like, you watch the NFL and people, well, you can't have him in your top five because he has zero playoff wins. I'm like, watch me. Like Mahomes Allen this year, you want to say Stafford, fine. But if you think there are five quarterbacks in the world better than Justin Herbert, I. I just think you're insane. I think it's an ins. I think it's an insane thought. But it's just got zero playoff.
- [40:33]
Sophie Cunningham
Wins and people will say interceptions. But right now, seven of the leading 11 interception leaders in the NFL are Josh Allen, Mahomes Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Dak Vo Nix. It's like, guys, for the last six Super Bowls, the winning quarterback threw an interception in the Super Bowl. Like, you got to get over that. Yeah, they.
- [40:53]
Danny Parkins
They. Listen, I. He had four interceptions in that game against Houston last year. Obviously in the playoff game. It's obviously not good. Two of them were off his guy's hands and his offensive line was decimated on the interior and Houston was a great defense and he had, he, it was a bad game to have the worst game of his career. Undeniable. Blew a 27 point lead to Jacksonville. I don't tend to think that's on the quarterback. Missed kick, other team, defense, all those things. But, you know, again, 0 and 2. You got to live with it. But I just. He's going to hoist a Lombardi Trophy. He's. He's going to be an mvp. Like, I just, I think he's too good not.
- [41:26]
Sophie Cunningham
To. One of the things that. It's one of the things. I always feel bad for athletes. I know they're.
- [41:41]
Danny Parkins
Rich. Yeah.
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Sophie Cunningham
Sure. But I always feel bad for athletes that the harder you train in college, the greater you are, the worse franchise you go to. And I've thought about this Joe Burrow situation so many times. So in his, is it six or seven years in the NFL, he's never had an O line rated higher than 23rd best in the NFL. They don't make any big trades. Even their star players are almost forced to hold out. Zach Taylor, by any estimation, is okay. And even if he wasn't, they don't fire and pay off coaches early. Cincinnati is a small. I mean, people don't understand. Los Angeles doesn't have a bigger economy than Cincinnati. It's hundreds of times bigger. The game day revenue Stan Kroenke makes at SOFI in a Sunday is probably almost a season worth of game day revenue. Maybe two SoFi games is an entire season worth of home games for Cincinnati. So I really. And I feel Joe Burrow and Carson Palmer already ditched this organization. What do you do? Because I think what we're seeing is Joe Burrow knowing he's trapped. And there's been now counting three press conferences when he's been asked about this by Cincinnati media. Danny, they are a therapist. He's on the couch. He's like, I think about a lot of things. I think we are watching the greatest American football player who's in an awful situation in Cincinnati. And I feel absolutely, I know he's rich. I feel horrible for.
- [43:24]
Danny Parkins
Him. Yeah, I, you know, so he, you know, Obviously, he was asked about that this week, and he said it has nothing to do with Cincinnati. Hard to believe him because somebody.
- [43:36]
Sophie Cunningham
Said, do you think about leaving? Or some. Do you think. And he said, I think about a lot of things. And I thought that was the best.
- [43:43]
Danny Parkins
Answer.
- [43:44]
Sophie Cunningham
Where. I hate it here, but I don't want to throw my teammates or my coaches under the.
- [43:48]
Danny Parkins
Bus. So I. I think it. It's hard. We do it all of the time. And so, like, sometimes, like, when these things get clipped, I try. I'm like, is the. Is the player gonna see it? Who the hell does this guy think he is to psychoanalyze me? So, like, I know your people won't do that, but just, we're having a good conversation. I think people will listen to it in its entirety and take it there. I. Joe Burrow strikes me as someone, and he has said things around this. He strikes me as someone who loves football but does not love the things that come with football. Like, he. You don't see Joe Burrow in a lot of commercials. I don't think Joe Burrow likes fame, which is totally understandable. You just said rich and famous. Try rich. It's probably enough for you, right? Like. But, like, Patrick Mahomes clearly is okay with being famous. Clearly. He's in a ton of commercials. He sits courtside at games. He shows up at celebrity golf tournaments. Like, he's very comfortable being famous. Josh Allen, same thing. Caleb Williams, same thing. Justin Herbert, a very introverted guy, does not like it. Is dating a model, influencer, singer, song, or whatever Madison Beer is. And she's all of those things, according to her Wikipedia page. He's clearly, like, getting used to it or trying to because of the woman that.
- [45:14]
Sophie Cunningham
He. When I had Justin Herbert on this year, the Chargers said they got calls from even their own employees going, justin's on television. Justin hides from the media. And he's like, well, he's listened to Colin when he was a kid, blah, blah, blah. But the point being is Justin, literally, it's not anti media. He just. He's embarrassed by being front and center above his teammates. He's that kind of.
- [45:41]
Danny Parkins
Guy. Sure. Okay. And so that's like a football thing. But, you know, Joe Burrow, he loved. He did that, the Netflix quarterback thing, and I. And I watched it, and he's. He's. He's interesting. He's thoughtful. He's very close with his parents. He's genuinely into fashion. He, you know, he tried to buy the Batmobile, then he had to return it. He Likes, I think he. Like Pokemon cards and video games. He seems like a kid, like a big kid who got rich and he's having to be really good at football. And then you remember the story about his home invasion. He was, he's one of those athletes who. They were on.
- [46:17]
Sophie Cunningham
The.
- [46:18]
Danny Parkins
Yes. On the road. House got broken into. What got stolen, kind of got reported. Who was there. You know, got. Got reported. And he talked about it being like a. Felt very violated. Huge invasion of privacy. And like both like the literal invasion of his home, but then also the reporting around it and what was revealed about his personal life and who he was dating that he didn't want revealed. I. Again, literally no insight into it. But just how he handled that press conference after the burglary at his house. I wonder how much that's sticking with him. Of just like, man, is this.
- [46:56]
Sophie Cunningham
I'm. Well.
- [46:57]
Danny Parkins
I'm. I'm injured. I've been injured multiple times, so I'm, I'm spending a lot more time rehabbing than playing football. I'm losing. We are, we are losing. And the cost of this is coming at like a real expense to like.
- [47:10]
Sophie Cunningham
Especially. He's in Ohio. You can't, you can hide in la. You can't hide when you're an Ohio boy playing for the.
- [47:17]
Danny Parkins
Bengals. Right. Because I, I've seen some people be like, oh, he doesn't like fame. Look at how he dresses. I'm like, I don't know. The Netflix thing made it seem like he's just like, genuinely interested in fashion, which is a totally reasonable thing for people to be interested in. And you have money and access to what? So, like, I just, I think he hates fame, he hates being injured. Obviously, he hates losing. And so where I. My guess is where that he's like, I don't dislike Cincinnati. I've been in a Super Bowl. I've played for. I've been. I've played for another Super Bowl. I've won here. But is Cincinnati doing all the things on the margins to allow him to win? You know, like, if they, if they were a small market team that operated like the Green Bay packers or the Kansas City Chiefs or whatever, like, I, I think he would be totally fine with.
- [48:05]
Sophie Cunningham
It. And so Tom, Tom Brady was like this in New England. Tom was taking pay cuts and going, where are all my receivers? Like, right, right. So Joe Burrow's like, I'm doing all these rehabs because you can't protect.
- [48:19]
Danny Parkins
Me.
- [48:21]
Sophie Cunningham
Right. So I think Brady felt like at the end, he chose Tampa because of Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Albring, Gronk. Like, they had. They had three tight ends. I think Joe and Tom are like, and Tom won all the Super Bowls, but at the end, Tom was trustworthy. I'm not respected. We have no wide receivers that can get open. I'm taking pay cuts. Where are the playmakers around me? And I think Joe's like, you won't protect me. I'm the car. That's the insurance policy. You won't pay. The policy known as the O.
- [48:55]
Danny Parkins
Line. Yeah. And so I just wonder. I, I obviously hope Joe Burrow doesn't retire like he, you know, I and Diana Rossini reported that people are taking that too far with the Andrew luck comparisons. I hope she's. I hope she's right. But if he's fallen out of love with football because of the physical toll it's taken on his body and the toll it's taken on his, like, mental health and like, the price of fame, then anything's possible, you know. But I would say also just like, like, that's one thought. Other thought, if you're right and it's, man, he's tired of the Bengals. What do you think? 22 to 26 teams should call Cincinnati this off season and say our quarterback plus two first round picks for Joe Burrow. Right. Like, he's on. He's unbelievable. He's in his prime. His contract is relatively reasonable. Like, basically every team in the league should at least make that phone call. If he, if he loves football and hates Cincinnati, everyone should try to get Joe Burrow to demand a.
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Sophie Cunningham
Is there. The New York Giants right now would have the number one pick. You trade Jackson Dart, you take the six, five and a half Fernando.
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Danny Parkins
Mendoza.
- [55:35]
Sophie Cunningham
Absolutely. Yeah.
- [55:37]
Danny Parkins
Oh, oh. Okay. I thought you were gonna say Joe Burrow. Okay.
- [55:39]
Sophie Cunningham
I think. No, I'm saying Is like, yeah, no shit. And that's a college quarterback. That's unproven. Burrow here if Burrow had no injuries. Three first round picks. Two twos. One, three. And all I need back is a backup. All I need back is a player. I mean, again, what I think Nick Wright once said this, like we have undervalued how much a great quarterback is worth. If Mendoza is as good as I think he's going.
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Danny Parkins
To.
- [56:09]
Sophie Cunningham
Be. Yeah. Okay. Is four first round.
- [56:13]
Danny Parkins
Picks unreasonable? No, you, you mentioned Nick again and obviously he's a connective tissue between the two of us. But maybe my favorite Nick take ever was that he said I would trade for Aaron Rodgers. And I know it's against league rules because it's capped on the number of picks you could take, but I would trade Aaron Rodgers and the trade would be, you can have all of my first round picks for as long as he's on the team. If he's on my team for nine years, it's nine first round picks. If he's on my team for six years, it's six first round. That is a great take. It's just, it's, it's.
- [56:48]
Sophie Cunningham
Beautifully constructed. Well, and it's like. What's funny is. So the packers have lost Tucker Kraft. Great. Micah Parsons. Great. Kenny Clark, run stopper and Christian Watson. They're deep.
- [57:02]
Danny Parkins
Ball specialist. Well, Zach Tom, their right tackle, he had the knee, he had the knee injury. Yeah, he's really.
- [57:09]
Sophie Cunningham
Good too. And yet this weekend their favorite over Chicago, if all of those players were still there and Jordan Love was out, you'd be like Bears in a.
- [57:19]
Danny Parkins
Blowout.
- [57:20]
Sophie Cunningham
Like. Yeah. So when you Nick, Nick Wright's take is that there is no, there is no. The value is. It's the old commercial. It's priceless. Is that if Jordan Love got hurt and you still had Micah and Kraft and Watson and Kenny Clarkett, the.
- [57:38]
Danny Parkins
Season'S over. Yeah, I mean, right. We, we, we see it and listen, you and I gamble enough. We, you see it in the point spread. Sometimes when Kyler's out and Jacoby bersets him, there's no movement in the point spread. Other times when all the times when Lamar Jackson's out, it's like, oh, that's 10 points on the point spread. Like, oh, okay, now I know the difference between Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray. It's significant. You know what I mean? Like, and so yeah, there are, there are, there are some of those guys that are true, crazy difference making level players and you do anything.
- [58:14]
Sophie Cunningham
To get him Yeah, I think Mendoza is about as good a prospect as you're going to get. I mean humble. Oh, I think he's so in. The other thing is I talked to an NFL coach about him. I said this, this person may need a quarterback but won't be able to get Mendoza, who will go number one. He won't have, he won't be able to move up. And he said he's also such an easy player to scout because Indiana runs pro concepts. So you will know watching his college film, the throws he can and cannot make. He goes, he's such an easy and this is a very good coach who may draft a co quarterback in the next two or three years. May not, it's not urgent, but his take was easy guy to comp. He said, these Big 12 guys like Mahomes, you knew he was talented, but you're like, what in the hell is.
- [59:08]
Danny Parkins
That offense?
- [59:08]
Sophie Cunningham
Yeah sure. Mendoza's like, they run pros concepts. You will know. He goes, it's, it's, it's one day I watch in film, you're like, oh yeah, he can make that throw, that throw, that throw, that throw. He audible out of that throw. He goes, he's the easiest guy to.
- [59:21]
Danny Parkins
Scout ever. What? So I haven't done the full deep dive on him yet. You've watched more of them, so I'll defer to you for now on it. But what, how would you comp that to.
- [59:31]
Sophie Cunningham
J.J. mcCarthy? Well, you say bigger athlete.
- [59:34]
Danny Parkins
He'S got. No, no, but I'm saying it wasn't the thing on McCarthy. Like yeah, he doesn't have the most pass attempts, but pro style winner, great leader, people love him, all of.
- [59:44]
Sophie Cunningham
Those things. Well, he also had Jim Harbaugh, the best offensive line in the country, the best defense in the country. And they obviously they ran a half with no throws. He was never really asked. They, they won almost every game in a blowout. Now Indiana this year has been blowing people out like Illinois. But you know, I think, remember Mendoza was at Cal and then Mendoza goes to Indiana. And so I think the feeling on Mendoza is compared to JJ McCarthy, better traits, better arm, bigger guy, incredibly humble, neat story, his parents neat, easy to embrace story. And I think Michigan was not as pro as you think. It was very run heavy Indiana, I mean that Ohio State and that Penn State, those games like guys, we need to score, we need to sling it. This last drive means everything. And you're going up against Ohio State secondary. They got Caleb Downs is going to be the first seven.
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Danny Parkins
Players taken. Yeah.
- [60:45]
Sophie Cunningham
He'S ridiculous. So you're watching Pro Concepts, pro guy. Indiana's got some pro players, Ohio State secondaries, all pro players. It's like, that's easy film to digest and go, that's a great player. I felt like in the JJ McCarthy, when people asked about JJ McCarthy, they gave my least favorite answer. He's.
- [61:06]
Danny Parkins
A.
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Sophie Cunningham
Winner. Right. Well, what does that mean? I mean, every Florida quarterback Spurrier had was a winner because it was Steve Spurrier. And he was a eight years ahead of everybody, everybody else in the SEC offensively. So I think Mendoza is one of the better, easier guys to preview.
- [61:24]
Danny Parkins
We'Ve seen. So that's, that's, that's really interesting. I'm trying to think like, like Trevor Lawrence as a prospect was like, okay, like, make all.
- [61:35]
Sophie Cunningham
The throws. But Clemson didn't run. Clemson's a very, it's more college than pro. Yeah, Dabo is very much a.
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Danny Parkins
College coach.
- [61:46]
Sophie Cunningham
No kidding. Whereas Signetti, if he, if he was 10 years younger, could get an NFL job. But he's a college guy, he loves college and he's in his 60s. If Signetti was 52, he'd get Jim, you know, he'd get NFL calls. Absolutely. I think, you know what I think he is? He's a much better version of Brian Kelly.
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Danny Parkins
Less dream. Yeah, I'm just trying, I'm going back through in my head of like, the best college prospects that, you know, like Burrow at LSU the year before. Right.
- [62:16]
Sophie Cunningham
Before Trevor. I mean, for him, Burrow was average as a junior, and the LSU team may have been the most talented college team in the history of the sport. So.
- [62:28]
Danny Parkins
You'Re like. But I was just gonna.
- [62:29]
Sophie Cunningham
Say, yeah, everybody liked him, but it was like, yeah, his receivers are better than the Patriots now in college.
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Danny Parkins
Right, right. I, I, so my, my wife went to Clemson and so she got me into Clemson football starting in Deshaun Watson's freshman year. And for like a, basically for the Deshaun Watson, Trevor Lawrence era, the best era of Clemson football ever. We watch basically every game, and I'd say the worst sports bet I've ever made is, is Clemson, LSU in the title game. It's like, yeah, I'm just going to bet against Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson and Clyde Edwards Allaire in a dome in Louisiana. This was a mistake. It was a mistake. They scored on, like, every possession. He was like, against Clemson for the title. It's like, oh, do you ever. They're really good. Like, I was maybe a little bit of a homer on.
- [63:23]
Sophie Cunningham
That One. When I lose last week I was two and three. But I really felt I was on the right side of Carolina. I thought I had a touchdown lead two minutes left. I thought it was bad coaching by Dave Canales. Let's give on a fourth down the ball to the least skilled offensive player. We have the fullback. Jesus. I mean, Bryce Young runs well. He's clever, he's creative, he's slippery. Given the ball, let him try to get a yard. But do you ever make a bet? You'd say it's a worse bet. About three or four times a year I'll make a bet. And I know instantly I didn't think about that. Like, for instance, Miami beat the jets and the thing was over in four minutes. And I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Mike McDaniel is coaching for his job. His staff is coaching for their jobs. You could tell their game plan was clever. They were into it. They had huge juice and energy. It's like they had. They look like they were in a playoff game. And the jets are like, well, we'd need a better draft pick. Nobody's getting fired here. So that, that's a game I knew eight minutes. I'm like, I just picked the wrong. I didn't think.
- [64:28]
Danny Parkins
About that. Yeah, all the. Of course. All the time I thought you were going to go the other way because this is the one that I do all the time that Nick hates. I'm like, like, well, I lost that bet, but I was on the right side all the time. I'm like, I'm happy. I'm, I'm not, not happy. But I'm fine to lose that bet because I know I was, I handicapped.
- [64:51]
Sophie Cunningham
It. Correct. Bad lineup was the pick. Revenge spot, extra rest. They were the pick.
- [64:57]
Danny Parkins
Last week. Yeah. And then the other thing that I do with gambling that I need to get over, but I just, I, I hold grudges. I, I love Survivor contests. I've never won one. I could probably buy like a BMW with every dollar I've lost in Survivor over my career doing it. I could probably have a much nicer car than I do right now, or at least lease one. But this year, me and a couple of buddies who gamble together, we did an entry in like a Super Survivor where it's a $5,000 entry into a survival. Yeah. Massive, massive, massive, massive size. Like, you know, literally seven figure payout type thing. Not a ton of entrance. And so like me and a couple of guys, real sharp people, huge NFL guys, gamblers, money people, numbers, all the thing and I obviously have a percentage of it. And we got eliminated way on the Falcons against the Panthers. This is before taking Atlanta. This was earlier, early in the year, before we knew that Carolina was actually legit this year. And Carolina won 30 to 0. And we're. And we're. And we're on Atlanta. And I'm like, I made a pledge. It was like, I'll never bet Atlanta the rest of the year. I won't do it. I'm like, I refuse. They have. They haven't been in a show pick. They haven't been in other survivor contests. I will bet against them, and then when I bet against them, they cover. I'm like, the Atlanta Falcons this year are my least favorite team in football by so far because of that survivor pick. And I know that I shouldn't be admitting that bias, but I'm like, I hold a grudge.
- [66:34]
Sophie Cunningham
Against you. This.
- [66:35]
Danny Parkins
Has been. I don't.
- [66:36]
Sophie Cunningham
Like them. This has been a running joke on my show for years. The Atlanta Falcons are an ATM machine. The opposite. I only give money to it. They're the Bermuda Triangle.
- [66:50]
Danny Parkins
The.
- [66:51]
Sophie Cunningham
Irs. Yeah. Like, I. All I do is get audited and pay write checks. I don't think I could not tell you the last time I won on the Atlanta Falcons. They're the weirdest franchise in the.
- [67:03]
Danny Parkins
League. Weird. It's just. It's just.
- [67:06]
Sophie Cunningham
It's insane. Then they go on Thursday and beat Baker Mayfield.
- [67:11]
Danny Parkins
In Tampa. Yeah, of course.
- [67:14]
Sophie Cunningham
They did. And Kyle Pitts had his best game as.
- [67:17]
Danny Parkins
A pro. Best game. Best game as a pro by far. In week one of the fantasy playoffs, three weeks before it's contract time for Kyle Pitts. Like, well, what do you do with that? Because he looked. He looked like a combination of, like, Ozzy Newsom and Tony Gonzalez. And he's like, oh, okay, well, I guess you're awesome, but maybe you're not. I have no idea what the hell's going on. Yeah. All I will say, though, Bijan is great. Bijan's not tough to scout. He is. He is Falcons proof. It's like, oh, that guy is one of the best players in the NFL. Like, I know the NFL top 100 list is super flawed and biased and all that. I'm like, but that guy, if he showed up in the top 10 on next year's list, I'd be like, yeah, I got no problem with it.
- [67:58]
Sophie Cunningham
He is. Yeah. I had a GM tell me it was. He said he's the cleanest running back he's taken since Ladanian Tomlinson. He said doesn't fumble. Great kid, great locker room. Can catch, can block, can run. It seemed like he got into a pissing match with Arthur Smith his rookie year. Like he just stopped using him. But no, it's. Yeah, Bijan's great and for a long time there was don't take a running back in the first round and there's been some misses. But Christian McCaffrey and Bijan and Saquon and Zeke, it's like this kid for Notre Dame.
- [68:30]
Danny Parkins
Jeremiah.
- [68:31]
Sophie Cunningham
Love. Yeah. That he's. That's a first round.
- [68:34]
Danny Parkins
Player. Yeah. You know, and I think like, I think it's gone a little bit. The names that we just mentioned, Jameer Gibbs included, like, are our reasons to do it. But also like because the rookie, when you know it's not the number one picks not getting $60 million anymore, like Jamarcus Russell, like it got slotted down that if it that any player who hits on a first round contract is a huge value now a quarterback that hits is more valuable. A left tackle who hits is more valuable relative to like what they get paid. But it's. You get the fifth year option on first round picks and you don't want running backs in their late 20s, early 30s. Traditionally some guys are starting to break that mold, but running backs, a young man's game. So especially at the end of the first round when the contract's really cheap. Like we saw the Chiefs do it with Clyde Edwards. Allaire didn't work out, but I totally supported the logic. I think the Patriots did it with Sony Michelle one year again, didn't really work out. But like end of the first round, talented running back who you can execute the fifth year option on if he works out. And so you have him for his age, like 23 through 28 season. I actually think that's like a really sharp franchise move.
- [69:51]
Sophie Cunningham
To make. I agree. Danny Parkins, as always, buddy.
- [69:54]
Danny Parkins
Great chatting. Yeah, this was fun. Our hours fly by, man. We'll do it again.
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Sophie Cunningham
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Danny Parkins
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Sophie Cunningham
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Danny Parkins
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Sophie Cunningham
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Sophie Cunningham
1-800-T-Mobile 1-800-t-MOBILE. See details@t mobile.com Look Santa, the kids left you. Pepperidge.
- [72:34]
Danny Parkins
Farm Cookies. Milano mint chocolate, so rich. Chessman butter cookies, so buttery. And.
- [72:40]
Sophie Cunningham
Linza Raspberry. A holiday classic. These are.
- [72:44]
Danny Parkins
Fancy Santa.
- [72:45]
Sophie Cunningham
Fancy Santa. Fancy Santa.
- [72:49]
Doug
Designer cologne. Spritz Me.
- [72:51]
Danny Parkins
Vintage timepiece.
- [72:52]
Sophie Cunningham
Classy o'. Clock.
- [72:53]
Danny Parkins
Gold.
- [72:54]
Sophie Cunningham
Chain. Hmm.
- [72:55]
Danny Parkins
With diamonds. Now that's fancy. Pepperidge Farm Cookies. Fancy.
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Colin Cowherd
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