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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast - Bears Stadium Fight, Can Wemby Be The Face Of The NBA? Luka’s Liabilities, Colin As An AI
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
Well, so first of all, I find the story to be joyless because. And so when I get, when I go on the score and, you know, I still follow all those people on social media and they're all my friends and colleagues in Chicago media. I hate how much they feel like they have to talk about it because yes, it, like it matters where the Bears play football, but this is, this is a story of billionaires trying to get a better tax rate for a stadium to make them rich.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes.
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Danny Parkins
Like they're going to be the Chicago Bears, whether they're on the lakefront, Northwest Indiana or Arlington Heights. They will be the Chicago Bears just like they are the New York Giants even though they play in Jersey. They're the Dallas Cowboys even though they play in Arlington. And so this is, this is just about a family. The McCaskeys who inherited a football team. They are not wealthy like the Pritzkers
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Colin Cowherd
from Hyatt or some of the poorest owners.
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Danny Parkins
Among the poorest owners, their wealth is a team in which inherited. And there's a ton of kids, some of whom want to sell the team and cash in, others of whom feel an obligation to keep it in the family. And it seems like they're going to, but they don't have, you know, millions and billions of dollars of their own outside of, outside of football. And they've played in Soldier Field, small stadium in the NFL and they didn't own, they didn't own it. Like I remember Kanye west had a concert the weekend of a Bears game where he brought his childhood home onto Soldier Field and lit it on fire. And so the Bears then played a game like 18 hours later with just a patch of dead grass in the middle because they didn't own the stadium. High school kids would play soccer tournaments and the. You know what I mean? So it was just.
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Colin Cowherd
It's been known as the worst surface in the league parks and rec in Chicago runs, and it's atrocious.
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Danny Parkins
Correct. And it's finally gotten better recently after like literally decades of being the worst. But so the point is it's impossible to get in and out of. The renovation was pretty ugly. The field was terrible and it wasn't big enough to host a Super bowl and it didn't have a roof, so you can host the Final Four. Other than that, they nailed it. And so then now it's like, okay, so the McCaskeys want to own their stadium, fine. But they don't have the money to do it. Well, J.B. pritzker, as you mentioned, smart business guy. Illinois, Blue State, it's not very politically popular to have publicly funded stadiums. You saw what happened with the Chiefs in Missouri and Kansas, couple of red states. And they're getting laughed at for how much public funding they're going to pony up for the new Chief Stadium. So Indiana, Red State, they're going to do it or they're going to offer to do it, but my gut tells me they go to Arlington Heights. I don't think George McCaskey has it in them to have the Bears leave the state of Illinois when he inherited it from, you know, Virginia McCaskey marries George House, the whole thing. Like, I just. They bought Arlington racetrack. They spent $300 million or they spent more than that. It's 320 acres of land for however many hundreds of millions of dollars they bought it for. They're not real estate developers. Like, they bought that land for a reason. So this is all just a game of chicken. It's all just to get Arlington Heights to lower their property tax rate. And so I find the story to be joyless because it's literally just about, can the McCaskeys increase their net worth by building an entertainment complex around the new stadium that they will finally own? I just don't care about it that much. To be totally can't right. It just. It. Who cares? Who cares? They're going to be the. Caleb Williams is going to be the quarterback of the Chicago Bears call with Ben Johnson calling the plays. Whether it's An Arlington. Arlington Heights or Northwest Indiana. I honestly don't care very much.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Arlington Heights is close to my house, so I'm obviously don't feel like going to Hammond, Indiana.
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Danny Parkins
Can I tell you one thing about Hammond, Indiana? It's where the casinos were, and there's
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Colin Cowherd
probably only one thing about Hammond, Indiana.
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Danny Parkins
Okay. So it's where I would gamble because that's where the. You could. That's where there were casinos. So it's right over the border. Like, it's Northwest Indiana is Chicagoland. It's the. They call it the region. Like, I had radio partners, you know, who lived there because of the taxes, and it was so much. You could work in Chicago, pay the $9 toll, and then pay way fewer taxes in Indiana. But I would. I would live in Wrigleyville and drive there every day and play poker when I was 22 years old, because that's where all of the casinos were now. It's disgusting. It's Gary, it smells bad. It's smokestacks. It's prison. It's terrible. But, you know, cheap land and property taxes. So maybe they'll build a stadium there. I doubt it. I doubt it. Where do you think they're going to go?
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Colin Cowherd
Arlington Heights? I don't buy it at all. This is a blue. But, I mean, the Niners play out in Santa Clara, so California is such a massive state, but there's nothing in Indiana. Even Indianapolis is a snooze. I mean, you know. You know, a state's a bad food state. When you say, where do you go to eat in Indianapolis? And everybody gives you one restaurant, St. Elmo's. Like, yeah, it's just. There's nothing against Indiana, but, I mean, there's. It's. The state's not wealthy, the states. It's just not a place that local taxpayers in Indiana don't care about. The Bears. They love the Colts. You know, the best part about Indiana is Bloomington. That is a great town. Bloomington's a great college town.
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Danny Parkins
Sure. And listen, I've had plenty of good times in South Bend going to football games. It's just. I don't. They hired Kevin Warren to get this thing done because he helped spearhead the stadium for the Vikings, which is arguably the best stadium in the NFL. And he just came in with a lot of bluster, being like, we're going to get shovels in the ground.
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Danny Parkins
He promised shovels in the ground in 2025. We're recording this on March 1st of 2026, and we're still playing one state against another and three different locations against each other and there's no shovels in the ground happening anytime soon. So it's just, it's a manipulative story. The Bears are leaking a ton of stuff to a ton of local media that's eating it up, which drives me insane. Like it's. This is just a game of political chicken and just let it play out. They'll end up in Arlington Heights and everything will be fine.
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Colin Cowherd
So this is the slowest time of the year. I was thinking about it and I think I've told the maybe you or the audience before, but. But to a large degree, the audience drives my show. I love college football, but when it got very regional for about 12 years when USC went down and Texas went down and Miami was irrelevant glamour programs and the Big Ten was miles behind outside of Ohio State, miles behind the sec, it became a very regional conference. It was, I mean, every year it was like Clemson, Georgia, Bama, maybe Ohio State. And so I've always said, I always root for Texas, the Miami Hurricanes and USC to be good because those are glamour programs. They're college football, but they feel like 30% NFL. And now with NIL, Miami does feel like pro football. Like, I mean, honestly, they had like, you know, you're watching them play Indiana and you're like, half of these guys are first round, second round picks. Yeah. So. So I tend to kind of let the audience, I watch ratings, I watch response and I kind of go where they go. So for instance, I'm back on college football now because Notre Dame's good, Michigan's good, Texas is good, Ohio, the Big Ten right in the center of the country where massive schools, graduates go all over the place. I predicted it two, three years ago. I said, nil is going to change everything. The SEC has car dealers, the Big Ten's got car makers. It's going to change the whole landscape. And it has. But so I looked once I let the audience drive the bus. Once football ends, I did my top five things that I will talk about and I've told my staff this is NFL draft is number one until following football season. And then it'll probably be baseball playoffs, March Madness and the Masters. Those are your four baseball playoffs are in October and they'll get a lot
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Danny Parkins
of love
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Colin Cowherd
for you in this time of the year. What do you do? I'm interested in a talk show host perspective. What do you do with the NBA? I mean, I watched the entire Spurs, Knicks today. I watched the entire game. What do you do with the NBA, when increasingly it's parody driven, there's nothing close to a face of the league. Hell, it may be Wemby in a year. LeBron's on his way out, seemingly. Steph's on an atrocious team. How much do you cover the NBA? Or do you just say, the hell with it? I love it. It's big enough.
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Danny Parkins
I'm covering it so that, that is what I want to be the case. Because I do love it.
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Colin Cowherd
And so do I.
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Danny Parkins
And what I will say is I still think the playoffs are a great product.
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Colin Cowherd
They are. I agree with you. It's physical, it's feisty. They're. You know what it's. The reason it's good is it's got a little hockey football field. Like, there's animosity every possession.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, absolutely. And like by, by game three or game four, the teams like they know each other, they hate each other. It gets chippy. You know, you start counting technical fouls for guys. Like, I just seriously, like, it's, it's, it's great. And so, and because there is a little bit more parody now, I. It makes the playoffs even better. It makes the regular season mean less because home court advantage doesn't mean anything anymore. But it does make the playoffs better because you're like, oh, Indiana can go to the finals. Like, the Timberwolves have been in the Western Conference finals back to back years. Like, can the spurs actually do this, having never won a playoff series before? Like, the spurs look good against the Thunder. So the Thunder aren't a shoe in anymore. The Nuggets took the Thunder to the brink last year so that maybe that series would be compelling again. Like coming into the year and the first, you know, six weeks of this season, it looked like this was just going to be, oh, the Thunder are going to set the winds record and blitz through the playoffs and there's going to be nothing intriguing about this basketball season. That's no longer the case. And so while I think the Western Conference finals will be the equivalent of the NFC championship in football, where like Rams, Seahawks was the real super bowl because they were clearly better than the AFC this year. And I think the west is clearly better than the East. Like, I do think that like round one playoff series are going to be pretty compelling talk talk, I talk items for us on our shows. So for me, like NFL Draft, NFL off season is always number one because it's a 365 day sport. But I would say NBA playoffs is A, is 2. And then if you're asking like my personal enjoyment. I love March Madness and the Masters as much as any sporting event, but they're not as good a national talkers.
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
You know, it's interesting, I was thinking about this this morning watching Wemby, and so I've made this argument multiple times that the NBA has only had about five faces of the league. Wilt was too flaky and not relatable. Dr. J spent too many great years in the ABA. Kareem was stoic and unapproachable. Kobe had off the court issues. Duncan was boring. Wade was never the best player. Shaq may have been the most fascinating player. I'm not sure he was face of the league, but he was. Kobe took a little bit away from that. Phil Jackson, the Lakers were kind of sharing it. The owner was interesting. He was a playboy. The coach was interesting. The GM in that the faces of the league. Larry Bird again, was kind of too feisty and kind of a rural feisty, not like a, you know, he wasn't a happy guy. The faces have been Magic Johnson, very unique game. Michael Jordan, the greatest game. Steph, wildly innovative game. And LeBron James, the Swiss army knife. And I was watching Wemby today and he's clearly so defensively disruptive. Danny. I mean, it's just, I don't think there's ever been anybody quite like him. I mean, steals, blocks, he alters every shot.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, I've never, I've never seen basketball players dribble into the lane and then dribble backwards. It's seriously, because like, it's, it's a league where like a legitimate criticism has been like foul hunting. Like everybody just like, oh, I'm going into the lane. I'm going to attack the rim and hope to get fouled. And they're like, nope. And they just like turn around. It's like they put it in reverse. It's, it's really, it's. It's a. He's a remarkable, remarkable defensive talent.
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Colin Cowherd
He is. But I was thinking about this today because he, by, you know, Jokic is the best player, but has. He's just not. Again, he falls into the Duncan category. He's Just not that interesting. Sga, his game's not exciting enough. He's just a score. He's like Alex English with a higher average. Right. On a better team. And I loved Alex English. But I was thinking about Wemby is if his three ball's not hitting. In the history of basketball, almost all great players. It's an offensive league. Almost every great player. If you said, hey, man, we need 36 tonight. Magic once played center and scored 42 in a final. Skip, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Kareem, even Carmelo, LeBron, Steph, all the great players could just get you. Duncan could get you 35. Luca, now, SGA, Wemby, if he's not hitting his three point shot, he could give you 17, he could give you 24. It's an interesting game. Like, as I watch the game, I'm in awe of it. But Michael Jordan, an inch shorter or 2 inches taller. I never thought about his height. Like with Wemby, it's not a game that I fall in love with. It's incredibly disruptive on defense. It's kind of fascinating on offense, but the lob dunks aren't. You know, it's like you look at him and go, well, yeah, it's like the big kid playing Nerf hoop. Like, it's. Of course he dominates. Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
But it's the NBA.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I know, but as I watch him today, I'm like, I'm not denying his greatness. And I think they'll probably win multiple titles. And disruptive defensively like I've never seen. Maybe Kareem was like that or Russell or Chamberlain. But when I watch his game, I'm not fascinated by it. I'm just impressed by it because of the sheer length of him as a player and his ability with that size to pull up. And it reminds me of a much better Sam Bowie. You don't remember him? I do YouTube him. Sam Bowie was insane before he got hurt. I mean, he was insane. Kentucky could pull up on the wing and shoot a jumper, right? No bigs did that. So I, As I watch him, I'm like, I appreciate the greatness, but he doesn't feel like a face of the league guy to me.
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Danny Parkins
Okay, so let me. Maybe this is a distinction without a difference. And you tell me because, like, you just said that it looks like, you know, an eighth grader out there playing on a nerf hoop. It's the NBA. Like, I know you're not supposed to be able to make it look that easy, and I think him making it look that easy is the thing that it's like, is that it? Like, Jokic had him sign his All Star game jersey with his name and then he had him draw a picture of a face of an alien. Like, these guys are in awe of a literal alien on the jersey because we have never seen anything like it. And I would just, I would just remind you, when you talk about his offensive game, he is 22 years old now.
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Colin Cowherd
Now, now, true, but it's interesting because he's an ascending player. All of his offensive numbers came down this year. Now, it's slight, but you would think he would take another 8 to 12% leap. They actually all came down. Points, rebounds, field goal percentage, they all came down. Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
I mean, listen, he, he's not playing a ton of minutes. They have a surprising amount of talent. They play almost to like an arrogant level. So unselfish. Like, Brew has made this point many times. Chris Broussard, and I think it's a correct one. He's like, I want to see them play through Wemby more. Like, he's like, I want to see him be, be more selfish.
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Colin Cowherd
Great. No, no. Watching today, it's a great point. There are times, I mean, he never disappears on the floor.
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Danny Parkins
Never.
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Colin Cowherd
But there are times. There are times I'm much more. I'm his defense. It's just like, wow, he's as a force onto himself offensively. There are times like, oh, he didn't get a touch on that possession.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. Or a stretch of possessions and that. But that feels like something I've seen before. That will come. And they're really good. Like you. Their, their efficiency numbers are really good. Their win, their win loss record is really good.
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Colin Cowherd
They got hammered today. They couldn't make stops. They just didn't. Cat played well. Nick, when the Knicks shoot well, Knicks are good offensively. They got players.
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Danny Parkins
They're, they're very good offensively. I still think they're drawing dead in the playoffs, but I don't think your top two guys can be defensive liabilities and they are same. So I don't think the Knicks can win a title as presently constructed.
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Colin Cowherd
I am not, I am not denying Wemby is the best prospect since LeBron. He's the most disruptive defender ever and he's going to average 24 points a game. But it, when I watch him, I'm like, his, his offensive game is like, yeah, I enjoyed watching Steph Moore magic more, bird more, wilt more. I just, I don't, I don't love the game.
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Danny Parkins
Okay. I Mean, I guess I would just say, like, give him time. And I will be floored if he. If, like, his peak offensively is averaging 24 a game. Like, I.
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Colin Cowherd
For the record.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
For the record. Two, three years ago, I was very critical of Luca and I said everybody loved him. And I got shit because I said, he's a better Carmelo Anthony. He's going to age quickly.
- [30:28]
Danny Parkins
I remember that.
- [30:29]
Colin Cowherd
He doesn't defend.
- [30:29]
Danny Parkins
I remember that tape. Yeah, yeah.
- [30:30]
Colin Cowherd
And I. People push back. This last week, I must have read that 12 times. And I'm like, guys, if you don't play defense, harden, mellow. Luka. It will create resentment. Number one, it will create resentment in the locker room. It's a small locker room, Danny. You know, in baseball, 10 guys go down to the bullpen. They're not even part of the team in the locker room. In basketball, it's a small roster. Seven to eight guys play. I mean, hell, it's. Sometimes you have more coaches on the bench than guys that actually get in the rotation. And so, like, word travels fast if you're a dog. So if you don't play defense, hardens. Had Carmelo Luka, not a lot of playoff success. The second thing is in a long series, the coaching's too good. In the NBA, they hunt you. If I gotta play Luka five straight games. I know. And by the way, the more you get hunted, the more effort you put by the end of a series. I've seen Luca before at the end of a series. He shot Harden at the end of a series. Because they hunt him for five games.
- [31:29]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, right. Whoever he's guarding, that guy sets the screen on the ball. Right. And so you just bring him into the action every single time. And you make him run and you make him do a ton of things there. The. Listen to me. Luka can be the best player on a title team. I still believe that.
- [31:48]
Colin Cowherd
I do, too. I do, too.
- [31:49]
Danny Parkins
Okay. But I think you need to have, like, a very specific roster constructed around him. And it's the same point. Like, it's. It's the cousin of the point I was just making about Towns and Brunson. Like, you can't. Everyone else around. Luka needs to be an amazing athlete and a great defensive player. And long and able to switch and
- [32:11]
Colin Cowherd
cover and cover and preferably catch and shoot because he's always got the ball.
- [32:15]
Danny Parkins
Yes, Right. Like three and D guys. You want. You want as many. Now, the whole league wants three and D guys. But, like, you want. You want long, athletic wings who can switch who are going to be catch and shoot three guys and all that. But like he's going to get you your offense and why I kind of pushed back against your mellow thing is like Luka is a great passer. Like he. Yes. Like he, he is a great passer. Like he will like Luca when he's got the screen and roll and he's like throwing the lobs to guys. It's why Deandre Ayton so frustrating. Like he's like, oh, do you want to make me Clint Capella that thing that was going around the other day. It's like that, that'd be good for you. Like go be, be 7ft tall with two of the best passers in the world and go catch lobs all day. Like you should like you that like the Lakers need a rim running center who's like actually willing to be a rim running center. And so but they, but because LeBron is what he is at this age defensively and Reeves is what he is defensively, which is like he gives effort but he's not a plus defender.
- [33:19]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
And obviously Luka is what he is. Like, they can't win. Like people like ask us to talk about the Lakers on the shows and it's like, are they a contender or pretender? It's like the only way they win is if they are like the best offensive team in the sport by like, you know, they have to just outshoot you.
- [33:38]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [33:38]
Danny Parkins
And that's. You can't, you can't do that in the West. The teams are too good. So I think they're also drawing dead for winning more than one series.
- [33:46]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. It's interesting with LeBron, you know the Dodgers owners now on the Lakers and you know, they let go of Cody Bellinger and Scott Sager and Trey Turner on the batting title and Manny Machado in his prime, which I was surprised with Zach Grinke. They don't. They'll let go of people. And by the way, all the analytics tell you that Luke and LeBron on the floor don't work because. And, and for obvious reasons, one, they both need the ball. Two, both are. I mean, LeBron is now the second slowest player in the league. So like the, the tandem of Luke and LeBron is like, it's a disaster on the floor. But not to include myself in this, but I saw this week like Chris Berman announced his retirement and it'll be like in a year and he'll have worked like 50 years at ESPN. And that's Jeter. That's Kobe, when you play for one team, that's Dan Marino, right? So there's this love. You know, I've bounced around to different companies beyond. I've been a bit of a mercenary. You know, have microphone, will travel. What's the best offer? What's the best commerce? That was best for my family. That's why I did it. I could have stayed everywhere if things worked out. But the downside of being a mercenary in basketball and broadcasting, in politics, the downside to being a mercenary is there's not a lot of romanticism about it. Right? Like, so LeBron, you could show him the door tomorrow, Magic Johnson walks into that arena. He's still more beloved than LeBron to this day. He walks into the staples, and it's fascinating to watch. The crowd stands. It's like, ooh, there's Magic. It's like you've never seen him. You're all seasoned dicket holders. So my take is, the advantage the Dodgers have is you can let LeBron go and people will be like, well, building a statue. And I don't think, like. Like, it's not Jordan, it's not Pito. It's. It's not the 85 bears. It's. Well. And I defended LeBron's mobility, but, like, LA is distracted. Like, nobody's going to care.
- [35:42]
Danny Parkins
No. So a couple things. First of all, we will romanticize you, Colin, whenever you want to hang it up. I promise you. I promise you we will give you your flowers. And no, don't worry. You're very important to all of us at blah, blah, blah, the volume. So, yeah, you are. You are the son of which we all know. So don't worry. You'll get. You'll get your flowers and your goodbye to her, but you're. You're not. You're not going anywhere anytime soon. LeBron means more to the NBA than he means to the Lakers.
- [36:16]
Colin Cowherd
I totally agree.
- [36:17]
Danny Parkins
But, you know, like, I wouldn't worry if I were. If I owned the Lakers about saying goodbye to LeBron, but I would worry if I was Adam Silver about saying goodbye to LeBron. LeBron still matters. He is still interesting. People still care about him.
- [36:34]
Colin Cowherd
I went to the Bulls game with LeBron. He was the most popular player.
- [36:38]
Danny Parkins
I mean, of course he was the most popular. He's one of the most famous people in the world. He's one of the most famous. He's one of the greatest athletes ever, any sport. He's. It's remarkable. It's remarkable. Like, he. He's taking up golf, and I Can't get enough of it. Like, I like watching the clips of LeBron trying to learn golf because it's like, oh, man, LeBron, he's just like me. He's.
- [37:04]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [37:04]
Danny Parkins
Duffing it out of the rough. Like, he's. I would imagine, like, obviously, I have no idea what it's like to be LeBron, obviously. But I gotta think if I was him or in his camp, there would be a sinister part of me that when he retires, would wonder what shows like ours on both networks would talk about. We've spent. I mean, you've been at this longer than me. I've been doing national TV for a year and a half. How many thousands of hours between the two networks do you think LeBron has programmed?
- [37:41]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, I said 50,000. I said this to a baseball executive 10 years ago. I was about a year before I left espn, and I told this baseball executive, it was in Connecticut and there were a bunch of baseball people there. I said, do you understand? Nobody talks about your sport. And you may look at first take, and you may. My show wasn't a thing at FS1 yet, but I mentioned four or five popular hosts and Tony and Mike and all the, you know, get. I don't even think get up was a show yet. But I said, you know, Mike. And Mike, I think, was Mike. And I said, nobody talks baseball. I said, do you understand how many free hours the NFL and the NBA get on these networks? It's insane. Now, baseball, Otani, the Doc. That's why the Dodgers. You and I have said this. They're great for baseball. They got a villain again for the first time in 20 years. Like, they need a villain. They need a bad guy. So, yeah, no, I think there isn't really. In fact, I've noticed, Danny, when I talk NBA now, I talk Knicks. I don't talk players. I talk Knicks. I talk. Oh, I don't talk Warriors. I would say Celtics, Knicks, Lakers. I don't really talk a player. I really don't. And I think that's one of the challenges the NBA has, because it's always been its most popular. When there's a galvanizing or a polarizing figure to lead the way. Yeah.
- [39:05]
Danny Parkins
And so to circle back to Wemby, because I do think he can be that. Because I, like, he might just start breaking all of the rules. Like you. The whole thing in the NBA was like, you have to, like, crawl before you can walk, before you can run. Like, it happened with Michael Jordan. It happened with LeBron. In terms of, like, yeah, like, he would lose to the Pistons and the Celtics and then he would beat them, and then he would win his title. And that was like the progression of the whole thing. Like, if Wemby just enters the playoffs at 22 and beats Jokic and beats the Thunder and wins it, he'll be like, oh, well, that's different, you know?
- [39:40]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah.
- [39:40]
Danny Parkins
There are just. There are things about him that are different. And like, I, as a longtime basketball fan. You, as a longtime basketball fan, I can't appreciate. Like, I've seen Wemby, and I've said this before, I don't think to you, but it just, It's a highlight that sticks in my mind. And I'm a nerd about this stuff. But, like, not like a trailing three where his momentum is carrying him towards the basket because he's running in transition. A catch and shoot standstill three pointer. I've seen this alien catch a ball, shoot it, recognize that it was long run, catch the rebound and tip slam his own missed three point shot. That's not supposed to be physically possible. Like, like, like tip. Like Jordan would do it off of a missed free throw. When someone else would miss a free throw and he would be. Have a running start and jump and tip slam and put it back. Like, this guy, he can get from half court to dunking in two dribbles. Like, it's just, it's just a. I do think that Wemby can capture our basketball curiosity.
- [40:49]
Colin Cowherd
But, but you, but you do know this. The big guys don't sell shoes, for instance. Yeah, right.
- [40:54]
Danny Parkins
Yeah. I mean, so, like, I want to be like Mike or I want to. Or, you know, Steph, I can shoot threes. I want to be like Mike was a moment in time with campaigning. Everyone wanted to fly. No one thinks their kid could grow up and be Wemby.
- [41:09]
Colin Cowherd
And that's. When I watch him, he might be
- [41:10]
Danny Parkins
the least relatable physical specimen ever. That's fair.
- [41:15]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And I think that's. It's like. And that's when I watch Wemby. I'm not disputing any of it, but it doesn't feel necessarily relatable. It's not always artistic. It's just almost genetically fantastic. It's. Listen, I watched Shaq in Orlando. I actually covered them a few times. Shaq in Orlando. And when Shaq first came into the league, the best part about Shaq is when you get a rebound, take it the length of the floor and like, almost break the backboard. It was the power. And I think Wemby's not as much power. He's just lengthy and dexterity. And so it's not that I don't appreciate it, but I look at him and I think, I don't know, does the kids relate to that? Is it fun? Is it. I mean, because Jordan was cool. Magic, the no look passes. Bird was actually kind of cool. Curry's cool. There is a cool factor in the NBA. I've said this to you before. One of the reasons I don't like the three point shot, because basketball is the most artistic sport in the world. I don't want ant shooting 13 threes.
- [42:19]
Danny Parkins
Of course. Listen, we're in.
- [42:20]
Colin Cowherd
I want him dunking.
- [42:21]
Danny Parkins
I honestly think everybody is in agreement on that, including the players and the teams. They just know that they have to shoot threes in order to win, so they do it. But I think everybody, like, artistically agrees with that. But so like, when LeBron, Steph and KD retire, which is, you know, we probably have another five years before, like the last of them is out of the. Yeah, maybe, you know, I mean, Katie's talking about playing the 2028 Olympics. So like we. Yeah, four or five years, I would say, with those guys. With at least one of them. Do you like? I guess I just, I think Cooper flag.
- [43:01]
Colin Cowherd
Cooper flags it to me.
- [43:02]
Danny Parkins
Okay.
- [43:02]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [43:02]
Danny Parkins
Because I. But I guess my point is, like, I, I don't. There's so much talent and basketball is such a popular sport that I don't, I don't really worry about it. Like, I think that, like, if I was, if I was Adam Silver, I'd be much more concerned about stuff we talked about a couple podcast episodes ago. Like, too many threes, guys getting injured too much, not knowing if a star is going to play when you buy your tickets in advance, tanking. Like, which I know you and I disagreed on a little bit. But, like, I would be more worried about, like, macro issues than I would be about stars. Like, I, I think, I think they will find stars because basketball is just really good at creating stars. Even if there isn't a singular LeBron, Michael Magic Face of the league, I still think there will be enough high level talents that will sell jerseys and shoes.
- [43:51]
Colin Cowherd
Well, the other thing we have to be fair to all these sports and all these athletes is they're not fighting over a tiny slice of the pie. I mean, go look at Michael Jordan and Magic's contracts. They're like what a popular DJ makes in New York City. Like, it was like they were fighting over a magic sign. A 25 year, $25 million deal, that'd be a horrendous IG account now for an NBA player. Right? Like, so I think the reality is it is hard to get worked up when you sign a $300 million contract or a $100 million contract. It's like even in the NFL, you're being tackled by players and the NFL game's over. Players are shaking hands and they're fist bumping. Hey, I'll see you in the golf tournament at Hilton Head this year. We have homes next to each other. It's like Chris Paul and Steph Curry. They have places in Mexico, they're fighting on the court, they both have mansions. And I think it's hard to muster up that angst when everybody's eating.
- [44:51]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, yeah, right. Like, there's a lot of money in this stuff. There's a lot of money in professional sports. But this, I mean, this all began because you were talking to me about, like, what I am most interested in in the dead period of sports. Like, even with all of the issues, I'll still take the two and a half months of the NBA playoffs, of every night, one, two, three games of these, these athletes going 100% against each other. Like, I still, I still think it's great theater. I love Thursday to Sunday, opening weekend of March madness. Going from 64 teams to 16 single.
- [45:28]
Colin Cowherd
It's fantastic.
- [45:29]
Danny Parkins
Single elimination is amazing. You know, I want to play Augusta more than basically anything in the world, but I don't know anybody. So if anyone wants to invite me. Any members listening to the Herd podcast? No, but like, I. So the masters will get me from start to finish like, like every year. But you know, we, we're a splintered society, Colin. You know that. Like, so the things that everybody cares about really are football at this point. So that's why you're going to hear a lot of Fernando Mendoza talk.
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
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Amanda Knox
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Danny Parkins
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Danny Parkins
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
I'm like, lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.
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Danny Parkins
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Danny Parkins
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
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- [50:10]
Colin Cowherd
So this week it's something Fox had been working on for like 10 or 11 months. They took all my opening rants and they threw them into this AI machine.
- [50:22]
Danny Parkins
Yeah.
- [50:23]
Colin Cowherd
And. And they came out 11 months later and they're like, okay, listen, I didn't know they were doing it. And Eric Shanks during a commercial break says, listen to this. And he asked it a question. And it's. It was me spitting it out, except I could see a picture of me. This version, you just hear me, you don't see me. His version, you could see me. And frankly, it was way better looking than me. I was like, oh, listen, it's like I look like David Hasselhoff. I had all this hair. But the point was, is I thought to myself, some people won't like it. People will say, oh, well, you're just, you're eliminating jobs. Well, it has nothing to do with the show or the volume. It's just basically like a trivia app. You know, you go to Fox Sports app, you go to the AI. But it is interesting because in my entire life, and maybe the media really does think this, the media tends to veer to chaotic and worst case scenario. So when I did this AI thing, my takeaway was the smartest people in the world do not know the outcomes. Nobody really knows. We're not going to have 38% unemployment. I'm absolutely sure of just that there'll be shoulder economies. I mean, like I've said before, even if it did a better job than my accountant, I still like my accountant and trust my accountant and can call my accountant every day. I'm not replacing my accountant. I may ask my accountant to be able to use AI, but I'm not getting rid of my realtor, my accountant, my lawyer, like, none of that stuff. So just as a starting point for this, as a member of the media, when you look at AI, are you. Do you think, oh, it could replace me. Holy crap, what are my kids are going to do? Oh, Jesus. I mean, how do you view it? Apocalyptic?
- [52:16]
Danny Parkins
No, no, listen, it's a tool and I think that like anything there is good and bad. So I'll get back to AI in a second. But like, like social media, net positive for the world, net negative for the world. There's a lot of arguments on both sides.
- [52:40]
Colin Cowherd
I'd say slight negative.
- [52:41]
Danny Parkins
Okay, right. And that I think I would too.
- [52:46]
Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [52:46]
Danny Parkins
Like you can read stories about how like in some places in the world they don't really have the Internet, but they have Facebook. And so their only access to news is misinformation and it has led to civil war. And it's like, that is mortifying. And it's.
- [53:01]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [53:02]
Danny Parkins
And it's influenced elections and it's like really toxic. Internet brained a lot of people. And that would be in the negative column. It also is how people meet and how people see pictures of their grandkids when they live far away and has created careers and launched new media empires and you know what I mean? Like, it's a lot of good and a lot of bad with social media. Like, I think, I think net negative. Net positive social media is a. I think it's close.
- [53:38]
Colin Cowherd
I think it's a little of both.
- [53:39]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, of course, of course. Because the world is gray. The world needs nuance. So like AI, I am thrilled that, you know, I do a lot of fundraising. I'm very proud of it for brain cancer research in honor of my brother who passed away. I'm thrilled that I read about and occasionally talk to and know people in this space that like, are really, really, really optimistic about what AI might be able to do to help figure out ways. Because the brain is the most complicated computer of delivering medicine to portions of the brain that have previously not been available through normal medical science. I absolutely want the medicinal field to be using AI if they think it can help. Do I love the idea that like you, one of the greatest takes men of all time have given all of your takes to the big brain machine who maybe, just maybe won't replace Colin Cowherd, he of many homes and many companies, but that like, that might somewhere down the line replace a guy like me a few rungs lower than you on the totem pole. Like, like the thought crossed my mind. But so like it's. Will it have negative impacts? Absolutely. Like, will it cost people jobs? Absolutely. But will it also, like cure a disease and like save millions of lives? Yeah, I think inevitably. And so I don't, I don't, I don't try to get too apocalyptic on either side. And I tend to think that like, I actually have a job that is like in a pretty good spot for it.
- [55:41]
Colin Cowherd
Pretty immune. Pretty.
- [55:42]
Danny Parkins
Pretty immune for it. Right.
- [55:43]
Colin Cowherd
Like live. Live TV is pretty safe.
- [55:46]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, yeah, it feels like live TV is pretty Safe. So, yeah. So, like, I selfishly, personally feel okay. Like, but like the person who writes the catchy headlines for the bottom line on our TV show. I don't know, that job might be able to be done by, by AI if I'm being totally candid with you. So like, you know, I, again, like, net negative, net positive. Like, I think I, we're gonna, we're gonna see. And so I, I'm not, I, I'm not apocalyptic, but I'm not also like totally bullish. Like, I'm the most excited about it that I've ever been. Like, I think there's going to be good and bad that comes from it.
- [56:31]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I mean it, it's, I, I, I just like the social lubrication of. I like to call my attorney. I like to call like there just sometimes I'm like, I need an answer. I want to talk to a human. It's more comforting than a computer. So I, I, you know, there's a lot of things.
- [56:50]
Danny Parkins
But you're, but you're, you're 60, like, right? Like, will someone who's 25, who doesn't have an accountant yet because they're not making any money yet, like, will they feel the need to do that? I have no idea.
- [57:07]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, listen, I have no idea. We had an entire industry, the cab industry, I mean, it got replaced. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just, it does happen. The typewriter went away, cabs went away. I mean, it's made our job, the Internet's made our job a thousand times easier. Instead of like reading seven newspapers, what I used to do in Las Vegas where, I mean, literally I had two newspapers, I mean, it was insane what you had to do to do a sports talk show host and sports anchor.
- [57:38]
Danny Parkins
When I was an intern for ESPN 1000 in Chicago, one of my jobs every day was to print out the baseball standings and hang them in the studio. And then take the agate page of the newspaper and magnify it and blow it up and put it at each of the host stations so that they could see the box scores from the night before because you couldn't just pull it up on the computer easily. So, yeah, like now if I'm filling in for you, doing a solo three hour radio and television show, and I can't think of a fact, I'm a good enough speaker and thinker and typer that I literally can be looking into a camera on national tv, talking into a microphone, and I know I could say something and your producers would help me out with it. But like I can Google like, you know, Anthony Edwards age. Because I'm like, I can't remember if he's 24 or 25 and it'll pop up. So yeah, the technology is amazing and it's made our job a lot easier. Sorry, I was just. Yes, Anding you there.
- [58:44]
Colin Cowherd
The NFL combine is something and I think we touched on this earlier. It ebb and flows on what I talk about. College football got too regional. I stopped talking about it too large degree. Now it's back. Jim Harbaugh brought it back. The Big Ten brought it back. Now I talk about it all the time. The NFL combine. I am out on. I am out on the NFL. I. The last two years.
- [59:10]
Danny Parkins
Were you ever in on it?
- [59:11]
Colin Cowherd
Yes.
- [59:12]
Danny Parkins
You were?
- [59:12]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I think, I think probably. I think for a long time it was just NFL. And I loved, I like, I like the convergence of college and pro. I love the draft. I love the comp.
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Danny Parkins
That makes sense.
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Colin Cowherd
But it, it's so rehearsed. Many of the stars don't show up. I don't care about people's hand size. I really don't care. And the truth is, I think one of the things that's really smart. One of the reasons I love the way the LA Rams do business is they're willing to say things and do things that other people won't. They just said several years ago, we're not going that we, we do our own homework. We have tape. We can go to the Senior Bowl. We're not doing a quick 15 minute interview where Johnny Manziel had NFL teams believing he was Peyton Manning. It's like, let's ride. I never want. It's a bullshit seminar and it's just polished vis a vis agents. These guys come in with talking points. They train in Phoenix. You know, everybody runs their fastest 40. Everybody's got abs. It's like everybody has their best vertical. It's football by October 12th. Nobody runs a four three, not even the four three guys. They've got a bad hip, they've got an ankle sprain. Like, like the whole league's beat up by week six. It's just, it's a sport of att. You're just trying to get your best players available, like down the stretch. So I find myself like, we know who's going to go number one. Is there anything that you have moved out of? Like, I'm just not. I was never a Home Run Derby guy, for instance. I was never. So that I was never in. I didn't leave it Pro Bowl I've joked I've never watched four plays. I think the last time I watched the Pro Bowl, Walter Abercrombie was a running back for the Baylor Bears and the Steelers briefly. I don't even know where he played. Like, I remember watching it. He had a big run. I think it was him. So I don't, I don't watch that combine. I used to, I'm, it doesn't do a thing for me now. I turned it on for 20 minutes today and I moved over to the NBA and said more interested.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, so the, the combine, like, that was one that I always, I, I understood it because the NFL is just the cash cow and it's the thing that makes the whole business go. But like, man, these networks really invested in their combine coverage. They're on live for the whole time. Rich Eisen is running the 40. Like, he's participating. You know what I mean? They made it into big business and big tv. And the whole time I was like, this is the underwear Olympics for a draft that I'm not sure we should be having. And it's just like, it's between all the college football tape and the in person interviews and the pro days and like the number one pick never throws. Like, it's just like, it's just, go get your height and your weight measured, basically, like, so I just, I never was that enthralled by it and was kind of amazed that these networks could get, yeah, eight hours a day of televised content out of it. So I've never been a huge combine guy. Regular season college basketball is something that I very much used to love. And now.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, really, I think America did.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, I used to love it. And part of it, part of it was age too, to be honest with you. Like, just like I went to Syracuse, that that program mattered. Then I worked in Kansas City, so I was around ku. That program mattered. Good college basketball markets. But then like you, you grow further, you grow up. You grew further away from your alma mater. You moved to a pro sport market. You realize that, like, you know, it doesn't matter. Like, you, you doesn't. You can go 10 and 8 in the Big 10 and make the tournament and then make a run. So, like one game doesn't mean all that much. So your regular season college basketball has lost me tremendously.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, you know, it's, it's really interesting. The, the advantage to age is hopefully over the course of your life, you've consumed enough interesting things and had interesting relationships that you have a little bit you can impart a little bit of wisdom. And I've said this before, for any sportscaster that's 18 to 35, the two things you missed out on. Boxing was freaking unbelievable. Like great athletes, big personalities. Hagler, Hearns, Leonard Duran, Ali. I mean it was just insane young Tysons. The second thing is, God damn, the Big east was unbelievable.
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Danny Parkins
Oh, it's one of the best 30 for 30s ever. The all kinds.
- [63:43]
Colin Cowherd
The coaches hated each other. The coaches were Pitino and Thompson and Boeheim and P.J. carlissimo and Louis Carneseca. I was a west coast kid. I never watched the Pac 12. I was like, I watched the Big east and those are the. And so it's very hard for you and I. Because you know, the Big east, you're old enough, it is hard now to watch what college basketball is now. I mean, I love watching Gonzaga, Duke or the, you know, like to go watch this kid at BYU or Darren Peterson. But you tell 30 year old sportscasters, yeah, there would be like Georgetown would have four NBA guys and there would be fights regularly in games. Often the coaches were at each other's throats.
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Danny Parkins
Oh, like, yeah, Matt, yeah, the, the old Big east was incredible. And then when I was, when I was there, it was when the Big east, like before, you know, the schools left to go to the acc, but the Big east blew up and it was a 16 team conference. It was still, I still feel like I caught the end of it because John Thompson's kid was coaching Georgetown. Jay Wright was at Villanova. Patina was at Louisville, Bayheim was still at Syracuse. Jay Wright was at Villanova, Bob Huggins was at West Virginia. And so I'm a student reporter going down to Madison Square Garden to cover Big east media day. And all of those coaches are sitting there at tables. I'm like, man, this is a big deal. So that's 2006, 7, 8, you know, like that. But post conference realignment and football, driving the bus for everything. And it broke up the basketball super conferences. And then you add in nil, which I am in general in favor for. But it's changed that aspect of it. And then a lot of the famous coaches, you know, Jay Wright's like, I don't want to do this. I don't want, yeah, I don't want to recruit my freshman to stay for my sophomore year. I can make more money in tv. You know, Coach K retires, Jay Wright leaves Roy Williams leaves behind him, leaves a lot of the big personality coaches leave. And it's, it still is a Again, March Madness. I used to joke in Chicago because it's not a big enough college sports market. I would say, like, when I was doing mornings or like middays, I was like, I'll work because I'm off the air at 1. I was like, but you guys don't deserve to have me on the air in the afternoon during, during the opening of the tournament because you don't care enough. You guys want me to like spring training Cubs baseball. And I'm like, I'm like, I got six bets going on on these.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that's J. Mac.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, yeah. Oh, the, the, the opening. It's the best, man. 6064 down to 16 over four days, single elimination upsets four games at a time starting at noon, ending at 11pm like that, that is the best. Like, I still get totally amped up for it. I just now come into it with a lot less regular season body of work knowledge because of the job. Like, we're doing more NBA. We're doing NFL year round in Chicago. I was doing baseball year round. Like, so I just, just, you know, my, my team sucks. Syracuse is terrible. So I, I fully admit that I parachute in to college basketball now in a way that I used to never before. I used to be like into it and be watching early season tournaments and going to games.
- [67:03]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
And the whole thing, man. And it was great. It was great. Like, I mean, this is again, a little inside baseball, but I know you like it. Like Jim Boeheim, he used to have open practices. You could just go. You could go as a student reporter. You could just. The whole thing, you could just walk in and watch him practice. I watch. So I watched dozens of Syracuse basketball practices from second row. It was the greatest. It was like a real cool. Like, then you could ask questions at the press conferences and he would chew you out. Like, he was a real guy. He used to call in Colin to my post game show. He would be driving home and he'd hear me say something. He was so, like, he had such rabbit ears that if the local, if national media ever criticized him, he never said anything. But if local media ever criticized him, he was like, I'm the biggest game in town. And he was. But like.
- [67:56]
Colin Cowherd
And he left. And look at him now.
- [67:58]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, exact, exactly. You know, he was 100% right. But I used to be like, oh, man, Bayheim's over the hill. He's got his kids playing on the team. I'm like, we need some new blood in there now. The school can't even. They can't even make the nit me. It's pathetic. But I once had a tag. They had. This is so stupid. They had two names that super college basketball heads Brandon Trish and Scoop Jardine. I was like, you gotta name one of them the point guard. You know, it's. It's.
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Colin Cowherd
It's like.
- [68:26]
Danny Parkins
It's. You know the old football adage. Yeah, two quarterbacks. You have none. You gotta have a point guard. Phone line rings for my postgame show call screeners like. Like, it's Jim in Syracuse. I'm like, he's like, that Jim. Like, what Put him on. He goes, danny. I go, jim, is this you? Goes, listening to your show, driving home from our win, by the way. He goes, I just want you to know that you say I need to name a point guard. If they're not pressing, you could bring the ball up across half. It doesn't matter. It was incredible. It was incredible. One of the. One of the greatest moments of my career. I was like, oh, my God, that's such a good point. That's why you're a Hall of Famer. Thanks for calling, Jim. First time, long time. Don't be a stranger. And it was the greatest. We've had a pretty good relationship ever since.
- [69:28]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no, he. He would come on and be feisty. Yeah, it's great. I. I always liked him. And, you know, people say all these coaches are overrated. Villanova is not the same. Syracuse is not the same. Don't. Don't tell me they're overrated.
- [69:43]
Danny Parkins
Arizona patino has turned St. John's into.
- [69:46]
Colin Cowherd
I mean, just.
- [69:46]
Danny Parkins
Pitino is one of the greatest coaches ever.
- [69:49]
Colin Cowherd
Like, yeah, listen, I don't know if you know Doug Gottlieb. I know Doug Gottlieb. So he takes over a program in a big conference, small, smaller conference, but it's. It's not a great conference, and the program's a mess.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Last time I looked at the standings, they were in second in year two. So it's like, you know, And I'm thinking he was doing a radio show and coaching, like. But he was. You know, he's a bit of a savant with college basketball. I mean, he knows everybody. He lives it, he breathes it, he sleeps it. But my takeaway is, yes, coaching matters. Like, let's stop, like, Bayheim. Syracuse was fascinating. Cause I know you went to college there and are probably proud of it, but I remember going to that campus and thinking, man, it's not the prettiest thing. Like, what does he sell kids? I mean, it's kind of in the middle of nowhere.
- [70:36]
Danny Parkins
Oh, yeah. How did he. Well, I mean, listen, it was. I mean, the Dome. Well, they paid players. You know, there were recruiting violations, right. Like nil. Before nil. So, like, that was a part of it for sure, but everybody was doing that. He sold a brand of basketball. Come play my two, three zone.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Matchup zone.
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Danny Parkins
So you can. But you don't have to use as much energy on defense and then run on offense. Not a lot of design plays lot of pick and rolls. Lot of transition. A lot of, like NBA style. A lot of NBA style offense.
- [71:17]
Colin Cowherd
Well, they all. Yeah. I mean, his. The key to him, he always had incredible length. His teams were fast and long and looked like pro teams.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. So he would recruit for his system. So he would. His. His selling point was basically like, go get your numbers however you can get your numbers. Like, play your brand of basketball on offense. Play my brand of basketball on defense, and you will play in front of more people than you'll play in front of at Madison Square Garden or Staples Center. They put, they put 30,000 people in there for college basketball games in November with 3ft of snow outside. Like, the dome in its heyday would rock. And it was just like, oh, yeah, it was. And it was like a singular thing. Like, Cameron is an. Is an amazing place, and Allen Field House is maybe the best venue I've ever seen a sporting event at. Like, it's. You know, the smaller, loud places are very, very special, but the Dome is a. One of one thing, you know, like 30,000 people for regular season college hoops games was a regular occurrence. You would set the. They set the attendance record every year. They would pick a game, they'd sell just a few extra tickets. It was like, oh, we're going to set the record against Duke, we're going to set the record against Louisville, we're going to set the record against Villanova and 33,000, 34,000 people. And so it was just. That's what it was. And he would recruit like a very Baltimore, D.C. new York. Like, he would just. He had his. He had his area of the country that he recruited from, and it was a pipeline.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. What would you do with Darren Peterson, who had missed at 1.11 of 27 games? Jeff Goodman was on my show last week and said, I think it's gotten into his head. And what would worry me is Markelle Foltz and Royce White and Jordan Spieth and David Duvall and Simone Biles. And when stuff gets into an Athlete's head. That's. I used to have a therapist that used to say this. He said be careful what you put on the merry go round upstairs because it's hard to get it off. And then you're 19 or you're 20 and you're on a college campus and you're getting crucified on social media and we didn't deal with that stuff. Like, like do you think it's a, like, I mean it's obviously a really talented player but it does. My take is if he goes into the tournament, doesn't play, plays poorly, it's like I think I'd struggle to draft him number one like in a loaded draft with like eight really good players. It's like I may take him three, I don't know. It's like right now it's number one. But when you hear it's in his head, I'm like, that's not a great place for young people to be. Basketball or not.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. So I think when you watch him, I'm like, oh, is that Anthony Edwards or Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade? Like he looks like he is going to be and like an NBA all star for a decade elite score.
- [74:12]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, it's got some Kobe comps. Yes.
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Danny Parkins
You know, so it's like, so I'm interested in that at number one. Like as a basketball talent he needs to explain it like, like this is one where the pre draft workouts and interviews and what he does the rest of the way and the tournament to your point, like they're going to matter a lot. Now you said three. I tend to think the floor is two. Like I think you know the bansta looks awesome, right? Like yeah, six, eight length, plays hard, can score well.
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Colin Cowherd
Boozer. Cameron Boozer's got a lower ceiling. I think he's a really, really good player. Plays for 20 years, 18. I mean he looks hands, feet but. But they're the ceilings low, right?
- [75:03]
Danny Parkins
Exactly. Well, exactly though but that's kind of my point is that like there's a lot of good players in this draft but if you get the number one pick, like you're trying to get the franchise alterer, you're trying to get the face of the league, the face of the franchise, the best player on the title team and Peterson clearly has the ceiling of that. So I think you're still going to see teams be willing to strike out on it. And like the phrase boomer bust for prospects exists for a reason. Like he's got boom and he's got bust the Bandsta might have enough of a ceiling where he goes one and Peterson goes to. Because of this, like I do think that's in play, but I don't think him going any lower than 2 is realistic barring like a, I don't even want to like a serious medical issue, a serious admission on his part of like I don't know if I love basketball, which I don't think is the case. Nobody, nobody says that.
- [76:02]
Colin Cowherd
No, that's not the case.
- [76:04]
Danny Parkins
But I'm just saying like, I think that there would have to be something shocking to come out in the next few months for him to fall any lower than two. I think, I think one is the ceiling and two is the floor.
- [76:16]
Colin Cowherd
Right. Danny Parkins, are you back from vacation in the Bahamas, which is a unbelievable place and I don't go on vacation for a while, a couple weeks. Yeah, I'm heading east. It is, I will say this, that vacation thing. Golf, sun, beach, cocktails. It doesn't get old. When I was in my 20s I was like, I want to get back to work. I never think that anymore.
- [76:43]
Danny Parkins
Yeah, no. When you say you're going again in a couple of weeks. I don't know when I'm going again. You have more time off than me. But listen, I mean it was, was, I love our job, I absolutely love it. But yeah, this, the week off was necessary and like I, I, I, I think I found my perfect day as like a married man with young kids. First guy off on the golf course. So the first tee time that they would let me have is 7:50 in the morning. So I'd wake up, kids and wife are still asleep. Out the door. Go stretch. Driving range, warm up. First guy off. Colin. I played this course in the Bahamas. I played three times, two and a half hours because I would play solo. So I played in two and a half hours by myself. Come back, wife and kids are up, they had a big breakfast, they're down at the pool. I meet them, I'm back by 11. I'm a hero. I got 18, 18 holes in and I still have the full day. Then water park water slides with my boys. What's more fun than a water slide with a six year old?
- [77:51]
Colin Cowherd
It's, oh, it's great skiing and water slides. We are young, kids are the best.
- [77:57]
Danny Parkins
I went down the same two dueling water slides that like you could like go at the same time and race down with like that. My kid was tall enough for, we counted. We went down 27 times in a row. It was, he was so tired. It was incredible. I was just like, I would get to the bottom, he'd be like, again. And I'm like, again. And then we went out to dinner at a great place at the resort and then the.
- [78:20]
Colin Cowherd
And the kids crashed and the kids crashed.
- [78:21]
Danny Parkins
And the resort had accredited child care and so we would be pay for a babysitter to come sit in the room while the kids sleep. And then my wife would get dressed up and we would go and we would like play blackjack and have cocktails and listen to some music. I mean, oh, just what a day. And I did it six days in a row. It was the incredible, incredible.
- [78:47]
Colin Cowherd
Good for you.
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Danny Parkins
Thank you, sir.
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Colin Cowherd
You've earned a great football season and I love when you come on our podcast, buddy.
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Danny Parkins
Thanks, Colin.
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