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This is an iHeart podcast. On the latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you like they will punch back. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Popped in my head the other day. PFF had Sean Payton as the second best coach in the league. And I actually, and I'm not saying this because I get along with Sean and we really hit it off, but I'm also saying this, I don't think he's quite getting enough credit for what he's done in Denver. And some of that is Harbaugh soaks up so much of the glare because he's such a character. And then there's the reigning dynasty and the division and now you got Pete Carol and Chip Kelly. So Denver sort of gets lost from a publicity standpoint. But John, think about this. So he goes into an organization and the culture's broken. The quarterback's a mess and there's impending new ownership. So he goes in the first year, I think they one game, they win three more games. He makes Russ functional. He cleans up the offensive line from like 21st to like seventh. It just got ranked second, by the way. PFF's grade starting the season, it's now second. Last year with Herbert Mahomes, Harbaugh Reed, he has a rookie quarterback. They end up leading the league in sacks. It is now a bonafide top offensive line with really one Cortland Sutton, one dependable weapon. And I mean I just, I looked at them last year and I thought, I thought they'd be good with Bonix. I don't think we understand. You start looking at that division and in almost every other division with a number 2o line. Sean Payton, a very capable young quarterback, leader in sacks. They get Greenlaw and Hufanga. I'm like, are we, I think what he's done there the last year to make the playoffs with $89 million, I think it was in dead cap money. Are we undervaluing because of the glare with everybody else? What he's done in Denver.
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I've watched a couple of his press conferences during OTAs. He thinks his team's pretty good. He thinks his team's pretty good because defensively they got a chance to dominate. And if you have a dominant defense with an offensive coach who's proven like he, how are your floor is so high? I mean your floor is immediately like 10 wins. And someone sent me this DM recently. They said, you know, everyone talks about Jaden and I understand why, but look at, pull up the stats for Bo Nixon. I think we talk about Bo Nix like he threw 18 touchdowns. He threw 29 touchdowns. Now some of these are scheme touchdowns, but his numbers, you know, he, you know, the accuracy is something that I think he has to work on now. The weapons, yeah, the running back in the draft. But I, I, I do think that, you know, is he a guy under Sean Payton? If he just becomes like Sean Payton's version, even if he's not Drew Brees or whatever, but just like a Jared Goff, a Brock Purdy, like a consistent starter for. They're going to be really good for a while. And I know last week you had the Chargers to, they could be to win the division. It's not, not inconceivable, right? Because he's a, He's a unique second year player. How old is he? 25 years old. Like he's played a lot of football.
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And he, I think unless you watch him, he didn't move a lot at Oregon. Sean lets him move and he can, I mean he's an athlete. That, that dude is ripped. When I went to the Oregon Utah game, I saw him play the Huskies, but I was up so I bought really good seats for Oregon Utah. I wanted to be behind Oregon's bench and he's on the sideline and he is cut. And you just watch him in these NFL games. And I always kind of look at it. When a quarterback runs, how's the outside linebacker, how's the outside linebacker stack up? He runs past him. I mean he, when he gets ahead of steam going, he can move past guys. And I remember when Johnny Manziel broke into the league he went for a couple runs in the defensive end, chased him down and you're like, yeah, that's not going to work. That's just not going to work when that guy's chasing you down. But I, Sean is one of those no nonsense guys and he's a little gruff. I remember when he said something and Aaron Rodgers, you know, when he said something about Nat Hackett. And again, I don't think the media always gives Sean quite a fair shake because he's pretty rough and pretty direct. But that Hufunga pickup, you know, he's been banged up. He's an elite safety.
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Well, to me, I mean two years ago he's all pro in Greenlaw. I mean a lot of question marks with his, with his health. But if you, if one of those two guys is a full time player, let alone both of them, the violence of their defense will be, it'll be one of the, if not the hardest hitting defense in the league. I mean they already were right up there last year. And you know, we talk a lot about this when it comes to quarterbacks, especially young quarterbacks is the intangibles, the maturity, the focus, the drive. You know, Bo Nix and Jaden gets a lot of credit for that, rightfully so. But Bo, Nick should be right there too in terms of, you know, the way they spoke about him at Oregon, his maturity also what he's been through a lot like Jaden, like and I would say unlike Jaden, it's easier to fail at Arizona State. No one really cares. Team hasn't been good. You struggle at Auburn when you're in his situation. Like that was a, that was like an NFL, the way they're covered, the amount of people that care, the spotlight that was on him. Remember he was, I think his first start was against Justin Herbert. Remember that Oregon, Auburn game a long, long time.
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He won it. He made a big throw in the corner, he played a big throw as a freshman into the corner of the end zone to win it.
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And then his career just kind of unraveled as their program did. And then he went to Oregon. You've seen him in two stable environments, OR and Denver, and he's thrived. So it's safe to say, like, yeah, pretty impressive guy. I would bet on Bo Nix because Sean Payton, clearly not going anywhere. I mean they are a 12, 13 win season away from Sean Payton then getting a huge contract extension, right? He was given five years, 90 million. They have a good year and the trajectory of this franchise. And listen, I would have assumed when Sean got The job that General Patton, the GM would have been fired. And John kind of feels like it's worked pretty seamlessly. They work together. Maybe Sean's realized, I got to pick my battles. Like, let's just get along. And feels like they got a pretty stable organization. That's the thing with Pete Carroll and the Raiders. Like, Jim Harbaugh's kind of matured. Sean Payton's at a different stage in his life. Obviously, Andy's the most. Him and Veecher on the same. It's a really, really difficult division with these guys like that have really figured it out that have cracked the code of personality. What it takes, the energy that it takes. What they're looking. They know exactly what they're looking for.
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It's pretty scary. Yeah. No, I think. I think actually Patton's a pretty good gm. I thought. I didn't think the problem was. I thought the problem was hack it. And listen, it happens. I mean, Bob Kraft is a good owner. He hired Gerard Mayo and he just wasn't ready for it. Like, it happens. It's hard to hire coaches. I mean, they took a huge swing on Sean McVeigh in Los Angeles. They wouldn't let him out of the building. That was a. But, you know, at one point, Lane Kiffin was in the NFL and was a pretty good coach. The dysfunction of the Raiders ended that. But.
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And they. And they hired Hackett right to. Because they thought Rogers was going to come, which I would have done, too, at the time. I mean, that was.
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Yeah, listen, Josh McDaniels was a guest on my show, and we've kept in touch. He's a really, really sharp guy. It just hasn't worked as head coach. He's a tremendous coordinator. So whatever the magic is, I don't know exactly what it. Some guys work, some don't. I wanted to. So the, you know, the overs and unders are coming out. So I want us to give the audience have some fun here. Two overs and two unders, and I'll start this. All the odds are provided by DraftKings Sportsbook. So I'm going to give you an under, then you give me an under, and then I'll give you another under, and then we'll do two overs. So my first under is the Chiefs at 11 and a half. Okay. Joe Tuney was by far and away the most. Had the most dexterity of any of their offensive linemen. He's gone. They are now crossing their fingers on a backup left tackle from San Francisco. They were 11 and oh in one possession. Games. Right. Like and now the division is much better. The coaching and the quarterback play. Bo Nixon Year 2 Geno Smith if they get a running back in the first round. Geno Smith has a 106 passer rating in Seattle on play action passing like if you give him a run game. Geno's very good on third and two. Right. He's very good with play action passing. Second and five, third and two, third and three. So I, I don't think I would take the under now. Maybe they just go 11 and 6. But I think the division is going to be improved. The quarterback play between Geno second year bow again. I thought last year there were offensive line injuries with the Chargers. My guess is they'll be healthier. Okay. What say you give me an, give me an under.
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Did you say 10 and a half on that number?
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It's 11 and a half. DraftKings has the Chiefs at 11 and a half. I would bet the under.
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Gotcha. They've won over 12 games I think every year Mahomes has started beside one. But I hear you. It's. You can have a good year. I mean they won a Super bowl winning 11. I would say an under.
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I like.
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I do think the 49ers, who are the Rams won that division and were really good and honestly, I mean a couple plays away from potentially beating the Eagles and who knows they might end up in the super bowl and win it. They wanted a 10 and 7. Right. So. And, and they're a team going through a lot of transition. So the 49ers won six games though they were in a lot of them. They kind of melted at the end in a lot of them. So I, I actually think, I think a lot of people are going to think they're going to win like six or seven games. I think they're going to be better than people think. But once you start getting over 10, like 10 and a half like I, you could win 9 or 10 games, be that 7 seed, hell compete to win the division and have a good season. So I think the days, you know, definitely this season that's going to be a very dependent on young rookie players.
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Yeah. They have 12 draft picks.
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Yeah, I mean that's. We've seen the Rams the last couple years. I don't know exactly. They've been a fantastic team. At the end of the year they're not winning 12 games. So I think the Niners probably more likely to win nine or 10 games. I also think that division is just going to be, you know, The Cardinals are just a tough game every time you play them. Obviously the Rams are good in Seattle, going through a little bit of a transitional period, but their head coach, I think they're pretty well run operation.
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Yeah, listen, they're one of my unders too at ten and a half.
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Seattle.
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Yeah. They tried to get Greenlaw back from Denver. They did not want to lose Hunga. Okay. Those were two big defensive losses. And let's be honest, John, the Boses get hurt. When Bosa was off the field last year, they were not a very good defense. They were really inconsistent. So now Hufanga's gone, Greenlaw's gone, Bosa will miss a stretch and it's not a great draft. So I don't think there's an impact player defensively. Maybe if they got like Will Johnson at corner from Michigan, I think that would be a really, really. You'd have to be happy with that. Yeah. But yeah, I think I have San Francisco as a under, so I have Kansas City, you have San Francisco, I have San Francis. Go give me another under.
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I would say I think there's a chance Miami is like the. One of the worst teams in the NFL. Like, it would not shock me if you tell me as you and I are sitting here doing a pre draft a couple weeks. Miami's in the mix. Maybe they don't have the number one overall pick, but I could see them being like the Giants or the Patriots drafting three or four. It would not shock me to see them struggle to win four or five games. I think they're going to be terrible. I thought that last year and they just. Obviously when 2 is on the field, they're more functional. It would not surprise me at all if this Tyreek situation doesn't go away and he ends up playing for another team this year. I don't know if that trade would happen during the draft. I know they've pushed back against that, maybe at the end of training camp, but I, I just expect Miami to implode. I. I really do. I mean, I, I don't really like the jets that much either. But like even last year, the jets do have a lot of good players.
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Oh, absolutely.
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I just don't think Miami has that many good players. And they are one concussion away from all of a su. Zach Wilson's our starting quarterback.
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Yes. Okay, I'll give you an over. I think Brian Callahan's a good coach. I think Will Levis is a really, really bad NFL quarterback. I don't think he was a great college quarterback. And so I look at the over under on Tennessee and you know, it's. It's five and a half. Some have had it at six and a half. I think they clear that bar easily. First of all, Cam Ward's a playmaker and nobody's got real film on him. He didn't do a lot of straight pocket stuff in college. It was a lot of backyard stuff. And I think the league will take a while and they did this with Jaden Daniels. It took a while to decode him. People were Bo Nix. You're not quite sure what he is. It's a weak division. The Jags could be bad, the Colts would be bad. Houston should be pretty good, but not great. I think I'm going to take the Titans over. I think it's a pretty weak schedule. I think Cam Ward is one of the only players in the draft that can equal wins. I think people think Callahan's a pretty good coach. And Callahan didn't just lack trust in Will Levis. If you listened to his postgame comments after losses, he lost them three games straight out. And you watched his body language. He almost resented that Will Levis was getting in the way of wins. And so I. Titans to me aren't over.
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Yeah, I don't think people, you know, we talk a lot about the Browns because of Watts, because Deshaun Watson's quarterback play by the a month in, no one was watching the Titans. Their quarterback play was like historically poor. I mean the turnovers, the sacks he was taking, it was. Their defense was actually pretty good.
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Yes.
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And like any team with a pretty good defense, when your offense is that crappy by the time you get to like mid November, they can't maintain that level of play because they're on the field so much. So if their offense is just solid, I'm with you. I mean he's got his dad there coaching offensive line, massive upgrade just based on talent alone. I would say this. If you look at Vrabel like the linebacker version of Harbaugh, you know, wants to play defense, wants to run the ball. Former players, just guys that just win. I think the Patriots were right up there with the Bears as one of the worst coach teams you will ever see. Last season, why couldn't they go 9 and 8 this year? If you go the jets are. The jets are going to be awful. I think the Dolphins are going to be worse.
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Yep.
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Listen, the Bills, who cares even if they sweep you, I could see the Patriots winning eight or nine games.
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Listen, they were seven and a half DraftKings they are now up to eight and a half. So the Sharps, it looks like we're all over the Patriots. So New England was one of my overs and I said the other day on the air I said I think Vrabel from Gerard Mayo is worth three points. I think Drake May is worth another point based on sophomore season.
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Yeah.
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And I think it's reasonable assume 190 million in free agency and eight to nine draft picks is worth one and a half to two points. So if they're just five and a half points to six points better. And again you're talking about between the draft and free agency like eight to nine new starters for sure. And a couple of high end starters. You're talking about Drake May potentially with a Travis Hunter. You're talking about the worst coach team to probably one of the seven to eight to nine best coach teams. That's five and a half to six points. They were three and six in one possession games with a rookie quarterback. If that's just six and three you don't have to go nine and oh, this is an eight to nine win team. And again the jets are a bit lost. I agree with you. Miami's a mess. So I think New England's in play.
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I would say the other team would be. Speaking of Harbaugh, the Chargers, you know last year I, I just didn't pull the trigger and he did exactly what he. Of course.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The five seed. Well this year it's nine and a half and everyone always gets off the scent with them during like free agency. Jim is not going to trade for DK Metcalf and give him $150 million. Nope. He didn't do it last year. He's not going to do it this year, he won't do it next year. You know what he will do though in like the second round all of a sudden he will draft his starting tight end for the next seven years and in the third round find a defensive tackle that everyone's going this guy's not that sexy. Who will just be a starter for him for a long time. Then you watch the season and you just go, God, their team is just physical and good. He has a really talented quarterback. Why couldn't they win 12 games? I mean they're over under right now is nine and a half. I think they are a lock. I mean Jim Harbaugh is now coached in the NFL five years and made the playoffs in four of them. So I don't know if they can overtake the Chiefs, but it wouldn't shock me if it gets a little closer. And don't let free agency fool you, he's never going to play and swim in that end of the pool. They are never going to do that. But you know, you've talked about this huge advantage for Jim, all these kids coming in the draft. He's recruited them all, especially the good ones. So he's going to know these guys. It's going to be a huge point of difference for him. I would expect them to have a good draft. His gm, I think, is pretty good. I mean, look at last year. It's like, how did they pass on Malik Neighbors? I don't know. They just got their starting tackle for the next decade. So I think the Chargers, they fooled me is the wrong word. I just didn't have the cojones just because I was like, I don't know if their roster is quite good enough. They're not going to have great wide receivers. He typically never does. And he always wins. He won a national championship. He went to a Super Bowl. Like, he's not exactly going to have Jerry Rice in his prime and it's going to work out just fine.
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I think Democrats have for a very long time allowed Republicans to play them. So essentially Republicans came up with a narrative and Democrats decided to play into that. And that only hurt the Democrats. I'm Kitty Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas, is not known for holding back. And our recent chat on Next Question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense. It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally. Like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College football podcast. College football season is here. And you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween.
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Uh huh.
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Hello, I'm John Lithgow. We choose to go to the moon. I want to tell you about my new fiction podcast.
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It's One Small Step for Man.
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It's about Buzz Aldrin, one of the true pioneers of space. You're a great pilot, Buzz. As far as I'm concerned, the best I've seen. That's the story you think you know. This is the story you don't predisposition.
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To depression, alcohol abuse and suicide.
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We'll see Buzz try to overcome demons.
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What do you say, Buzz? Another beer.
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And triumph over addiction. Here's to you, Buzz Aldrin. Good luck to you and become a true hero.
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Buzz and I will proceed into the lunar module not because he conquers space.
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But because he conquers himself.
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Buzz, we intercepted a Soviet radio transmission.
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Starring me, John Lithgow.
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Can you put it through?
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Can you Translate on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Columbia.
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Who cares about truth when the lies. More entertaining.
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Hey, everybody, I'm Angela Rai, co host of Native Lampa with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum. Through the lens and culture we talk with you every week to make sense of this madness. I've been telling Angela, I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves.
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That's the truth. We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country.
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Rest is certainly a form of self care, but if you are watching your full neighbors starve, not be able to pay bills, your rest is selfish. But the thing is, Angela, this is not the mess we created. So I do understand black folks feeling like, you know what, y' all got it.
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We're like family, but we disagree all the time. And we love when our listeners chime in.
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What would happen if we built our own little Wakandan communities in the rural South.
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Tiffany, do not run to no rural South. I don't know what you're on.
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What our audience is asking is. Okay, fine. You want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action.
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Welcome home, y'. All. So I saw something. So ESPN did a survey of executives, coaches, scouts, and it came out their top 10 quarterbacks. And I was on the plane reading this today, and I thought, that's about as close is any top 10 quarterback list I've ever seen. It goes Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar Jaden Stafford, Herbert Goff. I've always thought golf because he's not dynamic, he's not fun to root for. The guy was the number one pick out of Cal. He got to a Super Bowl. I've seen him outdo my homes in big games. He's good. Then they go hurts 9 and Baker 10. And I thought people, when I say this, that's about as good a list as I've seen. People would say, oh, what about Baker? Well, I got Baker. If I did a list closer to 10 than 15. Now, I think over the. After last year, I think I kind of scratched down a list on the plane that I had him at like 12, but I'm not bothered at all that Baker. I think Baker and Darnold are both in that 10, 11, 12 space. I'm totally comfortable with both.
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I'd say Baker now is two straight years and he has that second year in Cleveland. And just looking at him on the golf course and it's been talked about, he's definitely lost weight. He looks fantastic. And there is an element. There's a Farveian element. If you remember when Dorsey took him number one overall. The. The tangible kind of the. I would say this, though, for what makes Jalen kind of unique. And the arguments over Jalen are such a waste of time. Like, he won, literally won the Super Bowl, super bowl mvp. And I looked at his contract. By the end of like 20, 27, he will accumulated $200 million playing football on the field. I'm sure he's making money.
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He.
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He won like it. We can argue till we're blue in the face or once he won the Super Bowl. Like he's got an element that Goff. I mean, hell, Lamar, Josh, Allen, some of these guys are still chasing, I think, the top four. You know, Mahomes hasn't played as well in the regular season as those other three guys the last couple of years, but we have full faith in him and the biggest moments to get it done. And he has. The top four is just set. If you want to argue, Burrow second. Josh Allen second I don't care. But like Mahomes is one, then you can argue the ranking of the next three. I think what makes Stafford unique, if all the teams were equal, like everyone had the same team in a, in a one game situation, in a month situation, he could outrul anyone and go to toe to toe with anybody. Or Jared Goff. If I told you your offensive line had a lot of question marks, you would like a Jalen hurts even Baker more than golf. Yeah, I mean he can't move well. He's on the team with the best offensive line in the league. So it's, you know, he benefits from that. And that's where I think, you know, Jaden Daniels. I would have had C.J. stroud as like the fifth or sixth best quarterback last year. And if you look at an honorable mention in that thing.
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Yeah. So I, I thought I may have CJ Stroud 10 and Baker 11. Ish. That felt about right. I like Kyler, I still like Kyler Murray. So I'm, I'm in the minority here. I think he's elusive and I think he throws a great ball.
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But I, But I think CJ's story kind of speaks to Jaden Daniels. I would say Jaden as a rookie, it's not apples to apples, but was better than cj. Just the eye test, you know, numbers, yes, we could argue, but just Jaden is about as good as it gets. But they did get to kind of fly under the radar most of the season until the playoffs. It's, you know, what makes Brady Peyton, Tiger Woods, Aaron Judge, whoever great players is every single year, every single game. Aaron Donald for decade. Everyone circled him all week long and he still dominated. Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, it's like, you know, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen have been keeping defensive coordinators up at night for a long time and they still kick ass. Same with Joe Burrow last year.
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Right.
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You know, Jaden Daniels, this is gonna, everyone's gonna take them seriously. So I got a lot of respect for Dan Campbell and the Lions, like early on it's like, okay, you gotta, the last couple years, like everyone has been approaching them like one of the best teams in the league and they've answered the bell. Same with Jared, you know, we'll see Jaden Daniels. Like no one is sleeping on you this year. That's from the shittiest team to when you're playing the packers, the Vikings, that's hard, you know.
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Well, even baseball figured it out with analytics is that they don't want a Starter facing a batter for the third time, right? So you go through the order twice and then by the time you're going to face so what they're telling you, even starting pitchers, even aces, they want it, they want you out of there. But the third time, because a guy after a third groove on you gets a vibe. Because a lot of pitchers get better. You know, Verlander I and Wainwright their prime. I thought Nolan Ryan was better. Fifth inning on, can you imagine pulling Nolan out with a one hitter in the sixth? You do a Robin Ventura on you. But the reality is there is truth to what you're saying is it is very hard in the middle of the marathon when you're on the treadmill to break down Jaden Daniels over the course of two days on a couch in an office sleeping and say this is the solution, this is the kryptonite. When you give guys an offseason and these defensive coordinators, they find play, go through all the analytics and find out he doesn't see to his right as well as his left, he's more accurate. So I do think he was miraculous. But I'll also make this argument if I told you you combine Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow, that's what I thought Jaden Daniels was. I thought he was. I mean Burrow to me is even better than Mahomes. If you told me two minute drill, a minute 50 left, no timeouts left and protection is okay. I think Burrow is as good as anybody I've ever seen in the last 10 years. Now Mahomes gets all the credit because.
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Mahomes, you give him Chase and Higgins. Mahomes numbers look a lot different, right?
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You're right, you're right, that's, that's fair. But I think Burrows ability on third down, third and seven sitting upon little tiny weird windows, you're like what in the hell? And I thought Jaden had that mixed with about 85% to 80% of Lamar Jackson. So I think I thought Andrew Luck was the best rookie quarterback I've ever seen with bad teammates. I thought Jaden surpassed him. He didn't make the mistakes of Luck. So my take is even if he pulls back 15%, John, if you start looking at his third and fourth down numbers last year, fourth quarter numbers, they are Brady in his prime.
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I bet a lot of people, especially the Lamar defenders, if you just look at the number, you're like how the hell do you have him fourth? But if you read the quotes, the executives and the coaches are very complimentary of Lamar and I agree. His passing, the progress he's made from when he first won that MVP to the version he's been these last couple years in the race. He's an elite player now and he's a fantastic passer at least in the regular season and he wasn't that second half of that Bills game. It just Mark Andrews had a couple drops. Jaden is already that immediately like he's a dominant passer immediately. Now if you tell me he this year he throws 38 touchdowns and 10 picks, I'd be like he's just on the crash course to be one of the great players of all time. I mean, if he just answered because I thought that about CJ last year, it's like, God, he's just. Game's easy to him and it gets hard, you know, offensive line wasn't quite as good. The offensive coordinator, that's the thing with Cliff, seems like a great guy and I know everyone in the league loves him, but I've seen his offense over the course of time get figured out a little bit. Now I like Jaden more than I do Kyler and it feels like, you know, that version of Kyler that he dealt with, the maturity was a major question mark. Not a question mark with Jaden. But I do think it's difficult when everyone's gunning for you like you're an all pro immediately, you know, and it's just that's not how they were treated last year on a weekly basis and they are going to get the treatment. I think when you play the Washington Commanders this year, you're not approaching the game that much different than when you're playing the Eagles. Like this is a 12, 13 win team they plan on. They could win super bowl like we are. All in all, you know, Belichick used to go on these long like diatribes when he played like a 1 in 11 Miami team. It's like Bill, remember Julian got mad at me for this. It's like Julian, not most people can't take these awful teams seriously. But Bill could. But everyone can. And this is what Bill and Saban was great at this too is that they really can kind of convince you. You don't need to convince when you're playing the 10 and 1 Baltimore Ravens or when you're playing the peak Alabama team in your Georgia. Right. The team. You don't need a new rock me speech. You're not going to need that when you're playing Washington. And for the last decade, if you're a seventh year player on the Cowboys or the Eagles, like you kind of cruise through the Washington game. That's no longer the case. Now it's same thing with the Lions. And that's where I think Dan Campbell deserves a lot of credit with the way he's kind of, you know, he's a Harbaugh brother. I consider him the third Harbaugh brother, the way his intensity is and his focus. And I know you were hard on him, but I do think he's proven to be pretty damn good. Right?
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Yeah. No, I was wrong on Dan Campbell. I thought he was a bit of a meathead. My take was, and I was just like, I don't know if he's smart enough. The league's getting really smart, really clever offensively, and he's a little bit of a rah rah guy. But you know what? It's so authentic. He is so passionate, and it's so authentic. And I think the players can feel that authenticity and they buy into him. And I also think he has a great front office. And I mean, it's just there. That's a front office that doesn't go for flash. I mean, prime example, a couple years ago, they get, you know, an inside linebacker, a running back, that they're getting the best players available. This year, they went heavy on interior offensive linemen. You know, it's. It's got a. It's got a Rams feel to it, and that's where he came from. Brad Holmes came from Los Angeles that they just draft really good players. I mean, this year, you're like, the Rams need another outside linebacker. They get a Michigan kid and they're like, he's great on tape. He's passionate. He plays hard. The Rams have, you know, no head cases. Detroit similarly, like, good guys like all the Lions, guys like Amaran St. Brown and Aiden Hutchinson and Jared Goff and Penne Sewell. No a holes, like all really, really good guys. So there are people in this league, and I think Dan Campbell has benefited from that. A really good gm, but he deserves credit. You know, I think in the NFL, you ask so much of players physically. This is why Mike Tomlin, his strength, Pete Carroll, strength. But Tomlin Vrabel and Dan Campbell have a physicality. They look like they could play right today.
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Yeah.
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Is that you ask so much of. I mean, if you have a bad thumb, you take a series off. In baseball, it's understood. If you have a bad calf, you take a road trip off. In the NBA, it's understood. In the NFL, you play hurt and the coach is going to ask you to play hurt. And so when you ask athletes or men, I don't care if you're a fire chief or a police chief, you're putting people in harm's way. There is a certain personality, an alpha personality, that works. You know, you can't ask the fire chief, can't ask all those guys to run into buildings. They got to believe those firemen, have to believe that guy deeply cares about them as human beings, beyond just co workers. And I think Dan Campbell sells that. I think it's authentic. I think he loves his players. I think they feel it. I think McVeigh's got that quality, too. And I think all the Harbaughs do. They love their players.
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And listen, I'm not selling Washington because I think Dan Quinn has characteristics of that as well, of being a tough guy who's a defensive lineman in college, defensive coordinator, tough guy, but he's like a. A lovable tough guy, and that's very important. And I think he is. They're pretty lucky because I think it's going to be intense for them. But they have a coach who's been through the ringer, right? He's a guy that's been fired. He's. He had to reinvent his career, obviously. I mean, what he did last year spoke for itself. You know, Dabel is a good example of, like, a couple years ago, I'm like, this the best coaching job I've ever seen. He won nine games. I think they got like three total good players. But he'd never been a head coach. And as time went on, it just kind of, you know, unraveled a little bit, and you don't have as much to lean on. Dan Quinn. Once you've been a head coach and you've been fired, you've kind of seen it all, especially when you've had success and you've worked for the best in the business. You know, you talk to anyone. With the Chiefs, there's no taking practices off. I mean, they're not winning these games late in the season and all these playoff games close because they have a bunch of guys that just chill Monday through or Wednesday, Thursday and Friday in October and November, and then start practice. You are obligated to practice. I mean, it's a tough environment. No different with the Ravens. No different now with the Chargers with the hardball. Like you said, it is hard. I mean, the NFL, you practice way more than you play. And these coaches, they will push you to the limit of what they are allowed to use. With the Pads, the CBA doesn't allow them to have that many physical practices like they used to. But the Harbaugh brothers obviously, Andy, Mike Tomlin, Pete Carroll, Shirley will push it to the limit when it comes to that. So I just think the same teams are winning, we talk about this all the time. Are winning over and over. I mean look at the top quarterbacks there on the list. They also benefit from playing. I mean burrow somewhat of an outlier but they all play with really well run or I mean Baker resurrected his career. You know, if you would have put Baker in like Arizona the last couple years, probably doesn't look but he goes to Tampa, best GM in the league or one of them, a bunch of good players, high level guys and boom resurrects his career. He's matured. And same with Jared Goff. Jared Goff just talked about, you know, when he was traded, it really rattled him. A couple years later gets another big extension and now he's, you know, I would say he's going to make five or six Pro Bowls in his time in the NFC or Lions.
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So they're not playing Matt Stafford. Rams apparently dominated the Cowboys at that practice they had and then they didn't play Matt Stafford and you know, controlled the Cowboys when they played in the game. And I have said this, the Cowboys I think have one of the weaker staffs. I think the Micah and the Trayvon Diggs noise. These guys don't they want new deals And I mean the Rams are playing Stetson Bennett. Like they're not. They're you know who by the way, I'm not, I mean like disappeared came back. I'll throw this out. If I said to you the two bottom teams in the NFL. I think the Giants are going to be one mostly because of their quarterback situation and their center. I actually like some of their player. Their schedules brutal. Their schedules absolutely brutal. They're going to go 04 against probably Washington and Philadelphia. At best they split with Dallas. But I think we would both say the Giants with the schedule and their quarterback situation, it's going to be pretty dire. We know Cleveland and the Saints could be really bad. Dallas may not have playoff wins over the last 30 years. Not many of them. Is it possible they are a three win team? Is it possible?
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I think it's very difficult. If Dak plays a lot of games. If you tell Me Dak plays 15, 16 games even really shitty, they're probably winning 15 or 60 or I mean 5 or 6 games. One thing Jerry's proven is they have had guys kind of come out of nowhere. Overton. They actually draft pretty well. So they get some guys now they.
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They nail their first round picks usually.
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Yeah. And they get some guys in the mid rounds that are just saw some random guy on defense playing safety that you didn't. Who's this Duron Bland guy from Sac State, Fresno State transfer. They've been a pretty good drafting team. Hard to overcome. You know, a coaching staff, if you're right, they don't have one of the good staffs. I mean this guy was not, this guy would not have been a coordinator in the league. Now some stuff, you know, it's, it's perception, it's, you know, the buzz of, of your candidacy. Are you high or you low? That matters in the NFL or college too. And he was obviously not thought of like he once was, but that's a fact. He would not have been a coordinator in the league. You know, Iberfluss, people think he's a good defensive coordinator. Well, they just rehired him because they knew him, you know, because he was coaching on their staff several years ago. Kind of a classic Jerry thing. Micah Parsons, we have some, I mean Bosa was it two years ago. Sat out all camp and just wasn't quite the same that season. You know, even if you're working on your own beside practice in the weight room with the training staff, it's not the same as getting the practice rep. So even if they sign him September 1st and he plays, or I guess they'd probably do a little before that because they're playing Thursday Night Football. But the expectation for him would have to be tempered a little bit. And they, they're depending on a ton of young guys on the offensive line and that can be very hit or miss. Yeah, when it hits, it's awesome. We saw the Chiefs kind of doing that last year too and it was like, whoa, you know, so it can flip on you quick. So three feels. I do think they have an infrastructure of guys that have won. Like even when Micah comes back, he's won a lot of games. Dak CD Lamb, like they got some solid players, but I do think it could just be, they could be the last place team in the division if, if the coach is over his head and they're, I mean, they're pretty top heavy. I mean, CD Lamb pulls a hamstring. What the hell are you going to do? Throw to George Pickens?
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Yeah, I mean I, I agree with you and I was a little over the top.
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I.
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Coaching's at least 30 to 40% of this league. It's a big part because the, you know, the margins is, you know, the average game is decided by four to six points. And I mean, Mike McCarthy's a good coach and struggled in close games. I mean, they always had too many penalties with Mike McCarthy. They weren't good situationally. Some of that is, you know, Dak, Cooper, Rush. Dak got banged up. Dak now, and he's never been a great thrower. Dak now is a pocket quarterback. So my take is the George Picken acquisition could end up being, you know, we all looked at it and went, oh, boy, who immature it may have saved this team because you can't roll your coverage over and out of just CD Lamb because George is such a hard, physical matchup with his coaching, with his catching radius. My take is there's always an acquisition. We look at it was maybe Xavier McKinney for the packers or somebody. When they got him, didn't they get him from the Giants? You look up, you're like, God damn, he's a good football player. I think the George Pickens thing really ends up kind of at least making the Cowboys a good watch. I mean, I'll watch the. I want to watch Pickens with Zach.
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I want to watch him with Brian Schuttnivers. He listening to him. I mean, he wants to listen to Mike Tomlins, going to listen to that guy. I think one Gruden talked about this. Mike Lombardi talked about this. Those latter years of Al Davis. And it was always probably like this. But when it got really out of control, players knew that when the coordinator, the head coach got mad at him, they would just circumvent them and go right to the owner's office because they knew he was in charge if he wanted to of the plays of who got cut. Like, he was. He was very involved in football and he was making all the decisions. That is not the case with all these teams, right? If you play for the Chiefs, you know who the boss is. Andy Reid. You know, you play for the good teams. You know, the boss, the head coach and the gm. You're not circumventing them to the owner, right? When that happens, remember when Chip Kelly got fired in Philly and like, some of the players were talking to Jeffrey Lurie, it was like, that's never a good sign. You know what you'd have. You don't hear that in Philadelphia. They know Howie and Sirianni. Like, if you. You got an issue, you go to them, right? And I think that These players, especially the last couple years, because Jerry, in the social media world we live in, he's so out front, he talks so much. They knew Mike McCarthy who had won a Super bowl and won a ton of games. Like, ultimately, buddy, you're not the boss, right? We'll go to Jerry if we have an issue. And then, and then it'll just become a public thing and it becomes a shit show. I think it's hard to overcome that and I think they almost did because, let's face it, like, Mike kind of knows what he's doing. He has some limitations and I, you know, he's got exposed a couple times in the playoffs, but he's a pretty good coach. Won 12 games three years in a row with, with Jerry, which is not easy to do. Is Brian gonna be able to handle that? Like, what if. What if a deep. What if Mike Parsons doesn't like what Ibrush is telling him once he's finally signed? Let's go. I mean, he's already been meeting with Jerry. He just go up to Jerry's office. Hey, Jared, we got. This is not. Can you talk to Eber flu about running this coverage? Because that was a classic thing. Now. Al was more involved, like, truly with the scheme. But if I was a player and I had. If I thought the coach was an idiot and I had an owner like Jerry, I'd go right up to his office or give him a call. Jerry, Stephen, this is not going to work for me. And that is immediate implosion. And that might be if this team really goes down. That could be something that Dak and his leadership couldn't even overcome. That's where it could really be a problem. And I do think the gap between a Mike McCarthy and Brian Schottenheimer could be like, at the forefront. Be like there's a gap between those two guys. And remember last year, Mike Dak got injured with the hamstring injury and it was like, oh, they're fucked. And then as the season went on, you're like, you know that it's pretty respectable what they did the way. It's just like they're a well run operation there. There's a big gap. And we talked about this with Jim Harbaugh. They could be a disaster, but they'll still win eight or nine games, not two or three. Right. Like they did with that year with Brandon Staley when they imploded. Well, the difference between 8 and 3 or 4 can be a couple players just quitting on you in October and then all of A sudden you kind of like start questioning yourself and it can implode. So maybe worst case scenario, you get weird stuff happening in an injury. Players quit on you and don't believe on in you. It could be a problem. And that, that would be Jerry's fault. Jerry's created this, you know, culture gets thrown around a lot, but the culture in Dallas is just Jerry, right?
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Yeah.
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You just kind of do what Jerry wants. Jerry's in control. Mike McCarthy plays out his last season. That was bizarre the way he does these players. I mean they, they're just kind of run right now, really unlike all the respectable teams. And you know, for three years with Mike McCarthy, I know they bombed out in the playoff. They were respectable 12 games every year, really good players. But all the other teams they're competing, the packers, the Niners, all the teams they're losing to, they don't operate anything like that with their owner. But it's not going to stop as long as, you know, it feels like it's getting worse, doesn't it?
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Yeah, no, I think going back to your initial comment, I think they're starting to feel like Al Davis the last six or seven years. It's interesting what power does to men. I think women tend to age a little bit more gracefully. But wealthy guys, it could be Sumner Redstone. Is it Sumner Redstone or Sumner Redstone? I forget a lot of these old guys, they get a little crazy and they, they lack self awareness and most of them are not like Warren Buffett. It's like, hey, I could still do this for three or four more years, but you know, it's, it's time. And I, I, I think you, you see this, I mean, the NFL of all these sports ownership groups, it is a good old boys club. And they, they wouldn't, you know, they wouldn't even consider bringing in probably a Mark Cuban like the NBA did. They wouldn't. And it's just a place where Jerry and Bob Kraft and Stan Kroenke, there's a handful of owners who are highly influential and Jerry knows it. But the problem being is, you know, once you get close to the first number in your age being eight, it's different. I mean, Vin Scully was broadcasting, you know, in his 70s. You can, Al Michaels is 77. There's a big gap. You start getting 79, 80, 81. Your faculties aren't the same, you know, and it's like, and Jerry's lived hard. Jerry's lived a big life. Jerry parties today and Al was, lived a big life. And so it's not a shot. It's just. It's. I think about this stuff all the time, is that, yeah, I love to age gracefully, and I probably won't. So I just. I think it's one of those things where it's become the Lakers a little bit. It's. It's new ownership, and it'll never happen. Would not be terrible like the bus family got, you know, Kobe's agent, Rob Pelinka is the gm, and there's all sorts of friends and family. Cowboys, just. They're not the Bears. They're not totally dysfunctional in ownership with, like, 11 kids, but they're not. They're closer to the Bears than they are to the Rams right now.
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I agree. They just have more money, right? Yeah. I think you bring up Robert Graft. Obviously, it ended really poorly with Bill. But for those 20 years, Robert became a star. But Bill got to be the face, the. You know, the face of the team at the forefront of making the decisions. And he beared the responsibility, good or bad, and he went out. Right. Robert joined him when it was good. But if it was bad, Bill took the Arrows. Al Davis, even in his prime, and Jerry in his prime could not have gone 20 years with Bill Belichick getting all the credit of the good times. I mean, they proved that. I mean, Al would get rid of coaches in his prime when they were winning Super Bowls. And obviously Jerry, I mean, had that early on, it was like, jimmy, you're out. You know, and I. That, again, that was when Jerry was sharp as attack. I mean, probably one of the more impressive business guys. And this is the mid-90s, so your personality, does it only amplify and get more aggressive the more money you have? Like you said, now he's in his 80s. I just think it could get really, really weird, because if the team's not good, he's still calling into that radio show every Tuesday morning. He's still in the locker room, which doesn't happen anywhere else. I mean, it has Dak. And these guys are so numb to it because it's all they've ever seen. If you just put, like, took some dude from, like, the Rams, you know, like, just take, like, Puka Nakua or just any other team and just put them on the Cowboys for, like, a week after the game in the locker room, and the owner is over there, like, usually the press goes to the quarterback. They go to the guy that made the big play. When Jerry walks in that room and he's ready to hold court, they all go because his quote's going to make the headlines. And unlike those guys that might not say anything, you know, Jerry will.
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Yeah.
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I think Democrats have for a very long time allowed Republicans to play them. So essentially, Republicans came up with a narrative and Democrats decided to play into that. And that only hurt the Democrats. I'm Kitty Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas, is not known for holding back. And our recent chat on Next Question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense. It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender, that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally, like, I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah. Listen to next question with me, Katie Kirk on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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I'm Dan.
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He's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College Football podcast. College football season is here and you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times, probably before Halloween.
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Uh huh.
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Hello, I'm John Lithgow. We choose to go to the moon. I want to tell you about my new fiction podcast.
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It's One Small Step for Man.
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It's about Buzz Aldrin of the true pioneers of space. You're a great pilot, Buzz. As far as I'm concerned, the best I've seen. That's the story you think you know. This is the story you don't predisposition.
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To depression, alcohol abuse and suicide.
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We'll see Buzz try to overcome demons.
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What do you say, Buzz? Another beer.
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And triumph over addiction. Here's to you, Buzz Aldrin. Good Luck to you and become a true Buzz.
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And I will proceed into the lunar.
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Module not because he conquers space, but because he conquers himself.
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Buzz, we intercepted a Soviet radio transmission.
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Starring me, John Lithgow.
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Can you put it through?
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Can you Translate on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts?
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Columbia who cares about truth when the lies more entertaining.
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Hey everybody, I'm Angela Rye, co host of Native Lamp with Tiffany Cross and Andrew Gillum through the of politics and culture. We talk with you every week to make sense of this madness. I've been telling Angela I don't even know how to fight back right now. So what I'm focused on is just looking out for ourselves.
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That's the truth. We're having the same debates that American households are having all over the country.
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Rest is certainly a form of self care, but if you are watching your full neighbors starve, not be able to pay bills, your rest is selfish. But the thing is Angela, this is not the mess we created. So I do understand black folks feeling like you know what, y' all got it.
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We're like family, but we disagree all the time and we love when our listeners chime in what would happen if.
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We built our own little Wakandan communities in the rural South.
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Tiffany, do not run to no rural South. I don't know what you're on.
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What our audience is asking is. Okay, fine, you want me to stop resting? What specifically are you asking me to do? Stay informed and take action.
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Listen to Native Land pod on the.
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Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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So you and I had a long discussion watching the jets and the packers last night over at Tito's. And, and, and we, we probably spent an hour just you and I before my crazy in laws came over. And one of the things you talked me into is I've said all off season I don't know what the heck to do with the Packers. They won double digit games last year and Jordan Love was hurt early and didn't play great late. Okay, but I was thinking about this when I woke up and you went to the airport and I was thinking about this. I'm like Detroit's coordinators, their replacements really worry me. Chicago's offense in Caleb really worries me. JJ McCarthy I don't think there's any question that Viking staff is just trying to build his confidence up. The whole camp is about his confidence. I think I'm going to take the Even though the packers got bolt race by the Jets I think I'm going to end up before we get to J.J. mcCarthy. I think I'm going to take the Packers. They've had a quiet offseason and I think that stuff matters. I mean, you got a Lions team that will not be as good because they lost two of the best coordinators. Whether Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson hit his coaches, they were great coordinators. You know, Aaron Glenn had a top 10 defense. They had like four starters out. I mean, it's just. Yeah. In an offensive division. And I just. I think you talked me into it is and McIntyre has been on this too. Quiet, good coach Jordan loves healthy Green Bay is probably going to win that division.
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You wrote the Lions off after the. The hall of Fame game. I'm out. I wouldn't go that far, though. The theme of losing those two guys, I mean in the hall of Fame game. I get it. I mean, they did look bad. But I do think losing those two guys what Aaron Glenn brought to the table in terms of emotion, let alone the scheme, I mean, he was kind of the heartbeat of that team. And then bend the brains. It's just how do you replace that? Right? I mean, it's like any industry, any business losing two employees at that high level. Even if you hit on one of the two, there's going to be a, you know, probably a dramatic drop off on one of them. And if it's the offense, that would be a big blow to Detroit because offensively that's really where they separated. You know, I. I do think Minnesota has a better roster. Remove the quarterback, so do I. And you could argue beside the Eagles in the nfc, no one's even on their level. You could argue minus the quarterbacks. They're right there with the Eagles. I mean, they got a pretty special roster. But I just think there's something about the Packers. I mean, we're talking about it. I didn't even quite realize. You know, you live by the lake and then you kind of pull the map and you see the Green Bay is not really that far. And then I realized I get why the Bears are so jealous of the Packers. You got the big one of the great cities in the world and you got this little town up the road and they've been kicking the bears ass for 30 years and now they're on their third quarterback. It's one thing, it's like, okay, Farm, I get it. We'll tip our hat to you. Then you get Rogers, like, we're really gonna take this for 15 years. And now you get Jordan Love who? He had a couple throws yesterday. His talent is immense.
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Oh, no.
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Jacob's there. Their offensive line's always good. They're high on this young quarterback. Their defense is now good. They're just that program. They're never going to be sexy like, you know, like their Ohio State football or, you know what, what. Andy Reid was early with Mahomes. We don't talk about them like that Post Rogers. But last year they won 11 games and they won one in the Division 1 1. And their quarterback got hurt week one, which had to throw them off a little bit, even though they won the next couple weeks with Malik Willis, which to me shows that their. Their coach is pretty good. You know, their coach is pretty. He's unlike Kevin o', Connell, like, he's won some playoff games. So I won the gambling values there. I mean, you're getting them in like two and a half to one to win the division. Google how many times they've won the division the last 30 years. A lot. I mean, they just do it a lot. I do think there's some internal pressure now that they got that Murphy guy. The president, who kind of works as the owner is now Carmen Policy son. Ed's in charge. So I mean, this is a very. Like, there's some. Something on the line for Gudikens and lafleur in a weird way because they have a new boss. I just think they're flying under the.
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Radar, you know, and there's a lot of different ways to win. In Philadelphia, we don't think they have the best head coach, but they have the best roster. In Los Angeles, we don't think they have the best roster, but we love the quarterback and the coach. You know, Green Bay, it's continuity. The division's got all sorts of turmoil, losing coordinators. Chicago can't get the quarterback right. Is J.J. mcCarthy right? It just. Continuity is. It's. I don't even know the comp. IBM, like Microsoft. Microsoft's been great. It missed on the phone. There have been moments, but you look up and you're like, yeah, AI, Microsoft's good. Green Bay has been really ahead of the curve on quarterbacks. They draft them early. They never draft offensive linemen in the first round. I couldn't tell you their best offensive line. And you and I talked about this. There was a book written years ago called maybe 30 years ago called the Millionaire Next Door. And it was about how many people live next door to you. They pay off their home. They have a 401k. They live under Their means and they're millionaires.
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They.
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And they don't have huge salaries. And that really is the Packers. They're missing a barstool leg, right? They don't have that free agent leg. Whereas a Philadelphia, a Miami, certain places they. There are people want to go play in la. Devonte Adams didn't take, didn't have to arm wrestling to get him to Sean McVeigh and Stafford and the Rams, right? Like Green Bay doesn't have that. So they have to draft and develop. Like the school teachers have to be smart with their money to become millionaires in Green Bay when you're forced. I don't think it's a coincidence that both New York teams are a bit of a mess. Why? Because they have great game day revenue. They've got great local radio, TV advertising revenue and they take big swings and they don't do their homework. Green Bay does their homework. And I just, I look at this organization and their continuity, their intelligence, their development. They almost develop like a really good college program.
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They develop in my comp. You know, a lot of times in college football the underling goes and is a coach somewhere else, right? Like Sark's not at Alabama, right? Lane. Lane Kiffin's not at Alabama. Typically these guys go off. I mean, honestly, when they tried to replace Pete Carroll, it didn't go well. But in basketball, think about when Roy Williams replaced Dean Smith finally because he just knew what worked in that program. Or John Shire now with Coach K. Like there is a blueprint in that program that they know works. Gudikens was taught from Ted Thompson, who was taught from Ron Wolf. Like there is a consistent theme in that organization that has never changed, which is pretty rare when you have turnover like the Eagles, how he's been there for decades, right? So it's him. But when you look at like the Ravens, they went from Ozzy to Dacosta. So they have thought the, you know, on a very similar path. You'd even go from Kevin Colbert to Omar Khan now with the Steelers, like he's. He was taught under that. It's pretty rare because a lot of times you fire someone, you bring in the, the best team's executive, right? That. That is not what is happening with the packers for decades. So there is connections. Like Gudikens can tell stories that Ron Wolf told Ted Thompson about what they did in 1994 with Reggie White and Brett Favre trading for this guy or cutting this guy. And that is pretty rare. Like John lynch can't tell stories of stuff that happened with Bill Walsh. Like the personnel moves in 1989 or less need with Mike Martz and Dick vermeil back in 1999. It's just that's pretty rare and I think that's the only reason that this little town a couple hours above you sitting right now dominates these big cities.
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The Volume.
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