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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Colin Cowherd Podcast BEST OF: NFL Offseason Moves, Mike McCarthy, Maxx Crosby, Kenneth Walker
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
I feel like the reaction was shocked people. Like they really hired Mike McCarthy. I honestly, when John Harbaugh got fired, my jaw hit the floor just because I didn't expect him to get fired. Right. This was a situation where I went, of course they hired him, the owner, whatever it was two weeks ago when Tomlin steps down, said, I'm not into throwing a season away. We do not plan on tanking, losing. We plan on competing every year. That showed me when everyone in the Pittsburgh fan base was tired of Tomlin, the Rooneys were not. They want, they like going nine or 10 wins if that is their, you know, the floor. They want no part of the tanking teams. They don't ever want to have a season like the jets. So Mike McCarthy represents at minimum stability of competing and at least giving us a chance to maintain what Tomlin has done. And he can say, I can coach quarterbacks and call the offense. Because in fairness, he's right. Now, I was thinking about this. This is going to be his first situ. When he got hired with the Green Bay Packers, Brett Favre was on the roster. And the year before they had drafted Aaron Rodgers. He was the offensive coordinator of the Niners who took Alex Smith. Aaron Rodgers talked about this like he had to get over it a little bit. Then when he went to the Cowboys, they had an established Dak Prescott. He's now going to a team where they don't have a quarterback. Right. So he's got to be involved in which you and I watch a lot of college football. This ain't a great quarterback draft. And I don't know who's really on the open, you know, the Davis Mills and Mac Jones types. There's not a lot of. There's no Dak Prescott's or Aaron Rodgers walking through that door. This job. I don't know if you watch the Dolphins guys, they're too really impressed. At the press conference, it was like, I see why Troy Aikman likes these two guys. They're impressive. But Steven Ross, clearly we're going to need a little bit of a reset and be bad before we get good because we're in shambles. Kind of the Steelers, a lot of old guys, a lot of bad money. Why not? Once upon a time, you did this with Mike Tomlin at 34. Now, the difference is that team was equipped. If. If Tomlin was good, they were going to be good. And they were. But, like, why not just go a little younger, do a reset? And it's like, well, the Rooneys don't believe in that. Like, they're at, like, that's a core value of that family. Which in a weird way I can respect. But I think this thing is not. You know, when he got to the Cowboys, 2020 was a fake football year. Right, Right. Remember? But once he kind of settled down, got Dan Quinn, they were a real team there for four years. Google who was on that team. Like, they had Young in his peak, like 23, 24. Micah Parsons, they had Dak Prescott in his prime. They get CD Lamb like that.
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John Middlekauff
This is.
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Colin Cowherd
This is not the Steelers. And how are they equipped to acquire any of these players? TJ Watt is making a ton of money. He's a lot of respect for his career, but it's trending the wrong way.
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John Middlekauff
The Good news for McCarthy, I think he Realizes that I think the first thing they have to do to me is. And they're not going to be able to find their quarterback unless they go get Ty Simpson. But let's say they can't get him.
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Colin Cowherd
You like Ty Simpson in the weather in that. In that conference or that division, like, I don't know.
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John Middlekauff
They have to switch the money from the defense to the offensive side. So they've had the highest paid defense four years in a row. So you just in the way to do that is they've got some very good young offensive player. Frazier, the center, Warren Friar, Moose. Not young, but he's a good player. They need another wide receiver obviously, but. And the quarterback. But my take is they've got their offensive lines got some youth in it. The running back room's got some youth in it. They're dynamic. I think Friar moves really good in Washington. Broke his arm but he, you know, he. Those are two big bodies.
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Colin Cowherd
He's a good player.
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John Middlekauff
Good player. So. And DK Metcalf, still athletically in his prime. It's one of those things where they have to do is they have to take about six different defensive players and just get young defensively. If you look at the Seahawks and the Rams, if you really look at the secret of it is the Seahawks and the Rams are not paying a lot of their defensive players. They're not. They're paying their quarterbacks. They're paying like maybe a left tackle or somebody on the offensive line. They're paying one of their weapons. But I mean they're. If you really look at what, what the Kansas City Chiefs have done as they paid Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and a Joe Tooney, they've kept that defense really, really young. So I've talked to GMs about this. Going forward, the recipe for success is you pay for offense. You just keep drafting defense. Day young and the Rams, who are they paying on that defense? I mean, nobody's getting paid yet. Same with Seattle. Murphy will get a lot of money. Leonard Williams probably makes a pretty some coin. But I think Pittsburgh's got it all backwards. Pittsburgh paying everybody on defense. So they've just got a. They've got to draft about seven different guys. I don't know what their draft picks look like. Whatever, just draft defense. Let about four guys walk, trade another and just switch where the money's at. And once they can do that, then you can go find your quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
If I want to defend McCarthy, like he has a branding issue because I saw people putting his resume next to John Harbaugh's looks pretty similar. And Google John Harbaugh the last several years with some of these big leads. A lot of Ls Google Mike McCarthy's resume next to Tomlin's resume. Pretty similar. Not a lot of playoff success. Recently made the playoffs a bunch people. His branding is bad. You know, John Harbaugh gets fired, 10 teams are calling his agent. McCarthy's begging for a job. Last year no one will hire him. So this is not McCarthy's better than the way we speak about him, right?
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John Middlekauff
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Because he coached the other thing he's got going for him. Jesse Minter, really impressive defensive coordinator, first time head coach in a, in a pressure packed job. That's not going to be easy. You know, Zach Taylor is going to be coaching for his job. Surely this year that, that coaching staff there is.
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John Middlekauff
Cleveland doesn't have a coach.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean Colin, did you see the story that Cleveland makes you write an essay to try to get the this that'd be like you telling me, hey, why don't you do a podcast for us? Can you write us a three page essay? It's like Colin, this is a verbal medium. You're like, I don't care. The coaching is, it's a verbal job. You don't, you would never write an essay ever. Even your. The things the team puts out, the PR staff does that for you. It's really. I don't want to go talk about the Browns much, but that's. I googled, I couldn't figure it out. But I would imagine Barry's parents were in academia because I, I couldn't even grasp how someone would go the personality test. I understand it's a big job. I don't know but doing homework and essays. So McCarthy and the Steelers have an advantage on the Browns, but it's, I think it's going to be a little more difficult than his, his Cowboy stint. But he also, he's been the head coach of the packers, the Dallas Cowboys and the Pittsburgh Steelers. It'd be like I've been the head coach of the, the Knicks, the Lakers, like Pat Riley's career. I mean it doesn't get any better than that football wise. Colin.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, and I think, and I, and I'll say it about Tomlin and I'll say it about Mike McCarthy. They are above average NFL head coaches and John Harbaugh is not far off. I think that's fair. Mike McCarthy will, you'll win games with Mike and he's going to switch a defensive culture to an offensive culture. So there's some positives, but I've always thought Tomlin, big games, his teams were a little loose. Aaron helped slow down the penalty problem. In Pittsburgh, their offense had been, they had penalty problems for years on offense, Aaron brings in, you know, his iq eq. Their penalties went down, their turnovers went down because of Aaron Rodgers. So it was better this year as 42 year old Aaron Rodgers took control of the offensive ship.
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Colin Cowherd
And I think Aaron entertains coming back now with Mike.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, I could see that Aaron's, you know, Aaron always feels a little bit like a grudge holder, but Aaron also cares what people think and for him to just retire, that would feel weird sort of to just retire because he played so well at the end of the year and you'd be like, wow, is he retiring because of McCarthy? And for the record, I think McCarthy will be better for Aaron. I think. Sure.
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Colin Cowherd
I think 100%.
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John Middlekauff
I mean, by and large Seattle and maybe New England, the Super bowl teams are a little bit of an exception. But usually the offensive coach helps the quarterback. You know, Vrabel hands the offense over to Josh McDaniels. But yeah, I could see Aaron coming back. And I don't think my knock on McCarthy isn't that he's bad. My knock is it feels like an offensive Mike Tomlin. I was just looking for a more dynamic young guy. But Pittsburgh loves Pittsburgh and I respect that. I mean it's, you know, there's certain cities in this country, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, where if you go to a party and people ask you, oh, where'd you go to high school? Like people don't. A lot of people, how many people in your life who are go getters and have moved to Pittsburgh, it's very much about Pittsburgh. People love Pittsburgh, people from St. Louis love St. Louis, not a lot of people moving to St. Louis or Hartford. So Pittsburgh's very proud of its history. A lot of good people, they, I mean, it's just, it's just, it felt like, yeah, that's kind of what Pittsburgh is going to do. I was hoping for a bigger swing, but I don't think they have it in their, their makeup, their DNA.
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Colin Cowherd
Rooney's just, they can't even fathom when they see the jets, the Titans, the Cardinals and they see they can't even, they refuse. Which, you know, we talk a lot about tanking and some of these other sports, it's respectable. But also in football, the way you guys got Roethlisberger once upon a time, didn't you draft like 11th? That wasn't one. But you're not going to land, you know, most of these starting quarterback, you're not going to find Purdy or Tom Brady typically. Right. Most of these starting quarterbacks that are good in the NFL are drafted or Drake may drafted second where Sam Darnold drafted third. I mean typically you got to, it's okay. The Steeler fans, they've had enough good times and respectable seasons. They would understand a 5 and 12 season to kind of reset the franchise. But the, but the owners refuse and that's why I think they did this instead of hiring a Davis, you know, some 32 year old guy that was like, okay, we'll have some growing pains with you. McCarthy could sell them. Look at my resume. I more than likely we will compete for a playoff spot. And that was probably sold the Rooneys.
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John Middlekauff
Good stuff. All right, here we go. John Midkoff and I, I don't work tomorrow on tv. So this is my, I, I was down in Florida all weekend and hanging out with my wife in Naples. Have you ever gone to Naples, by the way?
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Colin Cowherd
Back when I was with the Eagles they had these scouting meetings at, I forget the name of the place. I mean right on the water. I think it's about 30 minutes away from Naples. And then they end. You have a week long paid vacation. I'm with the buddies. Like let's take a. I don't even think Ubers existed back in 2013. We hopped in a cab, went up there, had dinner. It was, it was nice 15 years ago, I'll tell you that much.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, it's exploded. Naples, Florida has exploded. I rented a little with a friend, a little 22 foot boat to kind of go around and look at the billionaire row of homes and my friends in realty, he's like, oh, that's boom, boom, boom, boom. Some people live well. That's all I, I'm on a 22 foot boat looking at 35,000 square foot homes. But it was beautiful. So you know, listen, let's start with Max Crosby. So I had said this before, I think he was kind of the soul of the Raiders, but they're breaking it down to the foundation. I thought they, they may keep Max because they have like 12 draft picks, 11 or 12 draft picks. So if they hit on seven or eight of those, they've got plenty of money and they're not paying their quarterback for four years. So I would just keep Max Crosby. But I think, you know, they're looking at, he's an older player, still great. But I think I Saw a story today. They're interested in Tyler Linderbaum, the great center from Baltimore. And it's like the Giants and the Raiders, which I think would be a huge move because they drafted Jackson Powers
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Colin Cowherd
Johnson, I think, what is it?
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John Middlekauff
Jackson, Powers Johnson, JPJ from Oregon and he didn't play center, he played guard. So he's more comfortable at guard. He's very good. So to me, this feels like the Raiders are doing. If they get Tyler Lindebaum, it feels a little bit like Ben Johnson did to the Bears. Here's the quarterback and I'm going to get the interior of the old line. I'm going to go get now Drew Dahlman just retired after one year in Chicago, but do you like the Max Crosby deal for them, especially for the Raiders if they get Tyler Linda bomb because of the availability to, you know, pay him?
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Colin Cowherd
I like it simply because it was time, you know, I, I think quietly he kind of wanted out. He wasn't going to do it. Kind of like a Yanis situation because he loves the fans, he loves the franchise. Colin, they got more again. We'll have to see what plays out next year. The Dallas Cowboys traded Micah Parsons and they are lucky. I mean, it took a Micah Parsons injury and a crazy comeback in a playoff game. They got picked 20. I, I, I didn't quite realize that the moment the trade was made and then you give it five minutes. The Ravens missed the playoffs and went eight nine, which sometimes gets you picked 18. It's pick 14. And I think I saw one sharp. This is the highest amount of draft capital any team's ever had because they got the first pick in every round. You'd rather have pick 1 in 14 than pick 8 and 9? I mean, it is the 14th pick. That to me is where it's like, damn, that, that was a lot, Colin.
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John Middlekauff
You know, the other thing John, to remember is they already have The Raiders have two ones, a two or three three, two fives, two sixes. Those top that top of round two, John, you do the first round. Guys are making deals. GMs are making deals all night. You could move down seven spots and get a another third or a fifth or a fourth. So the Raiders really can rebuild the Entire franchise. Quarterback, first pick, 14th pick. You could have the top interior old lineman from Penn State. You could have the second best corner. I mean, you can, you can do it. You have to probably replace Max with one of your first three to four picks, you know, but I mean, I, it's the first time, I mean, because Jackson Powers Johnson, you've got one. And. And Colton Miller, left tackle Jackson, Powers, Johnson, you add Tyler Lindenbaum. It's like, oh, this is what the Bears did. So I don't, I can't tell you the last time I was. I think John Spytek. It deserves a lot of credit for this. How many teams do you think were interested in Cross?
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Colin Cowherd
This is why I never understood they won't get two first round picks. Guys, every playoff team, there are 14 playoff teams. The Raiders are obviously not even remotely close to one of them. They were all interested. And then you get. And you then throw in the Cowboys who have that ammunition, who think they're going to be pretty good this year if they can flip it around on defense. So I, I think when the dust settled, you probably had five teams willing to get really aggressive, but no one could Trump that 14th pick. You know, you see stories on the Jags, you see, you know, teams like the Bear, all these teams are in the 20s, Colin in the mid to late 20s. And then you go, if I give a max, if I trade them to the Jags or I trade them to the Bears, well, if they're in the playoffs again, that's pick 25. And next year, that's pick 24. Where. That's what the cap. What's the likelihood that the Cowboys pick. I guess they might have already traded it because they traded for Quinn and Williams. But the way that they had set up the Micah deal, that was looking like pick 28 and pick 28 back to back years, which I'm not opposed. But when I see. I can't believe they. The Bills gave up a second rounder for DJ Moore Guy, guys, it's pick 60. It's not pick 37. These things are not equal. You know, Colin, I'm in my home, you're in your home. We're both homeowners. We're not equal. If we sold our homes, they're not the same. So it's like when I see these things get thrown around. Well, they, they're offering a first round pick. Well, we're in the first round because pick 14 is fantastic. Pick 29 like the Chiefs, they did well. But pick, you'd ask Andy, would you rather pick? You know, there's a big difference. There's a big gap. If I would have told you, they would have got the random teeth. Overall pick, you would have been like, oh, my God, what a hole.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, I. The DJ Moore pick, to me, I thought worked for Buffalo because Keon Coleman, now there's no Pressure on him to work. He had a touchdown in the game against I think Denver in the playoffs. So he's a big, he's a big play kid. But now you got your running back, your quarterback, your left tackle, a very good slot receiver, a number one. And if Keon Coleman is kind of a 50 catch, 43 catch guy, but a big, you know, he sort of like Rashid Shahid for the Seahawks. He's just a big play guy. About twice a game you go downfield, you keep the safeties honest. I thought D.J. moore to Buffalo was a great pick and I. You make a great point on this is that Brett Veach is a very, very good general manager for the Chiefs. I mean, Xavier worthy last year at the end of the first round is kind of, I wouldn't say a gadget receiver, but he's not a volume receiver. That's a, that's about as well as you can do late first round, which is get an explosive first round level athlete. But if he was a volume receiver, Makai Lemon, usc, you'd go mid first round. And Makai Lemon doesn't have worthy speed or explosiveness. But you know, you end of the first round, I mean, years ago, the Chiefs kind of whiffed on a running back at a LSU late first round. So it's no man's.
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Colin Cowherd
This is very. When you look at the Ravens, I was reading a couple stories, stories over the last 24 hours. They've never, I mean, obviously they've made big acquisitions on older players or veteran players. You know, historically, from Anquan Boldens to Steve Smith to Roquan Smith. Like they are an aggressive organization. They've never traded a first round pick for a player. And typically over the Lamar era, they have drafted what I would, 24 to 28 range. Right. So they are not.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
This is a very valuable pick. If memory serves me correct, Kyle Hamilton was the 14th pick in the draft. Now, all drafts aren't equal and I'm not saying there's a Kyle Hamilton in this draft. My point is that's how GMs think. Like if I'm 14, I can get a guy. Micah Parsons was the 11th pick, you know, Jalen Carter was the ninth pick. Where the kid. You just never know how a draft shakes out. Laramie Tunzel, the picture comes out, all of a sudden he's there at whatever pick, 10 or 11. Weird things happen around the draft. Stories come out like, the Raiders have an opportunity now. They did this once upon a time and I was living in the Bay Area One, they had three first round picks one year because they had traded Khalil Mack and they had traded Amari Cooper in the same year. And they whiffed on basically every pick over that run except for Josh Jacobs. So it is now incumbent on them to hit the pick. But listen, I've known Spy Tech. He left the Eagles right before I was with him and Jason Light at the combine. He, I think he's really good. And if you watch Max Crosby's I don't know if you watched it, it's about as genuine. No notes, just him talking.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
To have that much loyalty and passion to a team that he didn't have any success on besides personally, but not as a team. It was, you know, that's just refreshing to see a guy, if you're a Raider fan, this guy really cared about my organization. Even though we're the butt of everyone's jokes. You could tell it was difficult for him because he kind of has to sign off on this as well. And I just think that, listen, he's, I, you know these coaches, he is as highly thought of as anyone you're going to find in the NFL.
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John Middlekauff
Oh.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean he, he's been sober for six years. He's in there every morning at 5:00am he is a no bullshit guy. He plays the game like he practices and he's an impact player at a premium position. The Ravens are getting a really, really, I mean, a Hall of Fame level guy.
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John Middlekauff
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Let me talk to the guys for a second. If you're over 40, you still work out, compete, still expect results. But your energy isn't what it used to be, and the weight's harder to move. You're not imagining it. Energy drops, metabolism slows, fat sticks around. Even when your habits haven't changed, that's not you losing discipline, that's your body changing and needing better support. MDrive products for years. I trust them every day. Boost and burn one of their supplements built specifically for men over 40 struggling with energy and weight, with support for healthy T levels designed for everyday use, not extreme dieting, not crash fat burners, just smarter daily support. It combines clinically tested ingredients with measured stimulants, supporting metabolism and fat burn without extremes. MDrive is the number one men's health brand at Sprouts Support your body the smart way. Go to m drive for men.com the code is heard h e r d for 25% off your first order. Mdrive4men.com Code h e r d All right, two truths and a lie. Here we go. I went to college with college football coach Jim McElwain. I began my broadcasting career doing play by play for the Las Vegas Stars, and I've been a Verizon customer for 15 years. Okay, I lied. All three are true. Verizon isn't as expensive as you think. In fact, if you bring in your ATT or T mobile bill to a Verizon store, they'll give you a better deal. That's right, a better deal on the best network with the most ways to save on plans, streaming and phone deals. So take that AT and T or T mobile. Build to your local Verizon store today, get a better deal and start saving based on root metrics. Best overall Mobile Network Performance US Second Half 2025 all rights reserve must provide recent consumer mobile bill in the name of the person redeeming the deal. Additional terms, conditions and restrictions app. So in the last five years, the Ravens have blown the most fourth quarter leads. Now the last two, they're 17 and five if Lamar is playing and they lead in the fourth quarter. So they're, they're better at it. But I get, I get them saying, okay, we plan a division with Joe Burrow, you know, probably Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen Mahomes, Herbert C.J. strouder in the division. I think what Baltimore is saying is, and I thought Green Bay did this as well. We're just going to go, it's our Mariano Rivera. We're going to go get a closer. We would if, because I know Bill Polian told me this years ago. He said when we drafted Peyton Manning, we knew we would lead most of our games in the fourth quarter. That's why Dwight freeing was so valuable, is that, you know, Max, I said this the other day on FS1 think how great Max Crosby was. How often do the Raiders lead in the fourth? Never. There's nine minutes to go. Teams are running the ball on the Raiders. They're trying to kill the clock. They don't want players hurt. They're trying to get out of Vegas and go home. Max Crosby now is going to be. His last 12 snaps are going to be sacked by his. His last 12 snaps with the Raiders are usually, you know, it's a run play. So I think, I think the Ravens are going to listen the bottom Line is if Max is a monster for two years and they get to an AFC championship, you're going to look at it and go, worth it. The only thing it's funny with the Raiders, John, and you being a former scout. So the Raiders have so many picks now. So two first, a second, a third, three fourths, fifths. They could have multiple picks. But Tom Telesco told me this years ago, he said, you know, you have to be careful about being too young. You know, let's say you could trade a great player and get four picks. He said, I'd sometimes rather have three picks and a player. The Raiders are going to rebuild their franchise, but. And people should be patient. But with that many picks, like I could see the Raiders, if they have three fourth round picks, I could see them using two of them and getting a second third. Like, I look at the Raiders and I think to myself in that division, it's not just about making sure your picks can play. You need impact guys.
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Colin Cowherd
I think, I think one thing they have to do over the next, I don't know, three or four days is potentially overpay a high level, veteran, winning type guy. You know, get a guy who has been a part of a winner, who is a high character, team leader. If you got to overpay them. And listen, they got advantages. People like living in Vegas, no state income tax. It's not like a tough sell. And free agency in football. This isn't basketball or baseball. Like these guys go where you give them the most money. And I would imagine Spitek because he, he came from Tampa where by the time Brady got there, they had the infrastructure. Tom just provided that veteran leadership. And now once he left, all those guys were equipped because they just watched Tom. And then you had the Vita Veas, you had the, you know, Mike Evans was already a high level guy. If I'm the Raiders, hey, Mike, who's offering you what? What's the most? You got a 10. Hey, we'll offer you 15. You know, you've already won a Super bowl. You're already going to the hall of Fame. We will overpay for what you bring intangibly to our facility. Because like you said, you can't put that all in Mendoza. You can't put that all on Cornell, Tate or whoever you take with the 14th pick. You're going to need some guys for them to look up to. And that was Max, who is probably as good as anyone. And he's like, him, Fred Warner, like, it's a short list of like you could not meet a human that can say a bad word about these guys. And then when you factor in how good of a player they are. But I, I, I, I thought that like it had come to the, you know, the happiest three guys in the league, not in Baltimore, they're Jim Harbaugh, Andy Reid, Sean Payton. Because the Raiders have not been a good team. But they, they were a pain to play when Max was playing because he could just throw off. Those are three offensive guys, you know, Andy, I mean, talk to Andy about him. I mean, he, he reveres Max. I think I read something. Sean Payton set Max Crosby a text yesterday. So, I mean, these guys, they don't just, they're pretty numb to good players, right? They view Max as like high level respect because they also know how bad that team's been and how good. Remember, we turn on like random Friday night, Black Friday, or was it Christmas Eve games and the Raiders are playing the Broncos. It's like, God, this is hard, you know, because, because Max.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, yeah, no, they often played the Chiefs, the Broncos, tight. You know, the other thing I thought about, think about Joe Burrow. So they let Trey Hendrickson walk. Instead of trading him for a really good player like the Raiders John Spytek smartly did. He got two first round picks out of it. The Bengals Classic Bengals let Trey Hendrickson, who's not as good as Max Crosby, but is a very good player, they let him walk. So Burrow now in his division has Max Crosby twice a year, Miles Garrett twice a year, and TJ Watt twice a year, and his rush end is gone. I have theorized with, I just saw a picture of. It was Joe Burrow. I think it's this offseason in Vegas playing with some celebrity, beautiful woman, just Galba. And my take is Burrow, just for his sanity, has really enjoyed his off seasons because I think deep down he knows, you know, I'm not playing with the same level of scouting department. We don't make deals during the deadline. I mean, letting Trey Henriksen walk and getting nothing for him, it just, it's, to me, it's outrageous. And I think sometimes fans don't understand, like the, the most exciting thing about the Raiders is not Fernando Mendoza and it's not Clint Kubiak, it's John Spytak. You have a competent general manager who's deal making. So I don't know. I look at, I look at the Bengals letting Trey Hendrickson walk, and I look at Joe Burrow and I think, God, that division and the Bengals for the record have a bottom 10 offensive line adding to it.
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Colin Cowherd
I, at this point in time, I mean, he signed a contract with a pretty questionable organization. Now, you're young, they offer you a ton of money. It's, it's easy to say looking back several years, you know what you're signing up for. It does inevitably have a feel of like Sean McVeigh trading three ones, three twos and three threes for him next off season when he kind of makes a stink and demands a trade. I mean, this, this thing feels headed toward a weird spot now. Offensively they are pretty good. You know, defensively, some major question marks still, but I mean, they were kind of in the mix in a weird way, you know, the last couple years with a lot of flaws. So now Joe's got to stay healthy as well. But I hear you. I mean, they, I still think they could be competitive. If you play 17 games, they're going to be a playoff level competitive team.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, I have, I've been very encouraged. Free agency officially starts Wednesday, but I haven't. But the McDuffie move, the Max Crosby move, the DJ Moore move, Tyler Lindebaum is, I think if you're paying Lamar and Max is going to be hard and Kyle Hamilton, it's going to be very hard to pay your center. What the market's going to offer. I think that's the next big shoe to drop. The Giants or the Raiders get Tyler Lindebaum. Is there anything else out there, a bomb dropping that you would, you think could happen?
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Colin Cowherd
I do think once DJ Moore goes for pick 60, you know, Howie goes. Well, if I'm going to trade AJ Brown, I got to get at least a top 40 pick, right? So it, it gets pretty complicated. Most of the teams drafting, you know, from like 32 to 39, 40 aren't good. AJ doesn't make that much sense to them. And then you get into the high 20s. Like, who's trading, you know, would. Would Kansas city trade pick 29 for AJ Brown? I know financially some of these things become a little complicated. But, but the other thing is Alec Pierce, I mean, when Daniel was healthy, he was really good. And I saw Albert Breer make this point somewhere that Mike Vrabel's best friend is, is the Wisconsin head coach fickle. And fickle was the coach of Cincinnati when he was there. I mean, this is a 6, 3 guy that can run and go deep. Well, what does Drake May do? Well, go deep. What do they just do? Get rid of Stefon Diggs. So they're wider now they do have Kyle Williams, the Washington State guy who's also a vertical threat. I. I would be stunned if the Patriots aren't highly, you know, interested in Alec Pierce. But there's also, you know, most of these guys. Max Crosby. We wouldn't talk about getting traded. Right. McDuffie. There was clear some rumblings, like they probably weren't going to resign them, that they would trade him. DJ Moore. It was clear that they were going to pick one of their offensive.
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John Middlekauff
Yes, there has.
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Colin Cowherd
I mean, these GMs are really aggressive. This has turned much more into baseball. And they're. Howie. When I was around Howie, he was an outlier. He was ready to do deals. No one would do deals. Now it feels like there's 25 guys willing to make moves at any moment. Big money moves. These owners have way more money, so they'll trade salaries. They don't care about previous signing bonuses. I would get ready for just. There are going to be a couple wild cards. These next. There have been some rumors about Jalen Carter, the Eagles guy, because he's going to want 40, 45 million dollars a year. So it's like, are you comfortable investing in the human being? Because the player is excellent, but the human. It's a risky.
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John Middlekauff
Well. And the other thing, this is one of the criticisms I've had with the NBA. And I don't think Adam Silver. Adam Silver is so concerned about tanking and dynasties that the NBA now has been replaced by the NFL and baseball with trades. Baseball and NFL guys are. GMs are wild day traders. The NBA, you can't make these big sweeping deals anymore because of the aprons. And so it's like, God, the NBA does so many things there. Like people like dynasties. We're more distracted because of our phone. It's like NBA, you want the Knicks and the Lakers to be good. You really want them to be good. I'm watching what these GMs are doing in the NFL. And John, this used to be what the NBA did eight years ago. Huge stars, trading teams.
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Colin Cowherd
It's. It's really crazy what it's become because
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John Middlekauff
even within its own conference, like Max and now the Raiders aren't a threat. But in your own conference, I, I
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Colin Cowherd
do think the influx of money, I mean, I, I tweeted this out yesterday. I think one thing, football obviously has a lot going for it and it's thriving right now. It does feel the majority of their players really, really care and are really, really invested. And like you say, when these trades happen, all these guys react they're just very invested into the game. They're always. You watch these guys Twitter accounts during college football Saturday. I mean they, you can't really play football without being an all in football guy. You can for a minute, but you will get exposed. You can't have long careers. Most of the top guys are kind of junkies, you know, I mean, and I think you watch Max Crosby talk, hearing these stories about Trent McDuffie, I mean these guys are just all in. I think one thing that hurts the NBA feels like half the people don't care. And I'm not even just talking about the players, the coaches, the GMs, they're actively trying. It's like, do you guys care as much as the people watching your sport? Because if you don't, if the entertainment doesn't care, the consumer's not going to care. And the one thing football has. We know the stories are well documented about the coaches, how they're maniacal workers. It feels like the players aren't that far behind. So it's like, God, they're as invested as I am watching these games and following the sport.
- [40:59]
John Middlekauff
Here are two or three things that fans the ratings and the clicks prove fans love big trades. NBA doesn't have dynasties. Baseball, NFL regularly has them. And massive passion. Well, load management has been outrageous in the NBA for like eight to 10 years. Just think about the things that. And this isn't just a dump on the NBA, but don't overthink the room on this. Dynasties, big trades, guys that live that cry after losses, that deeply care. You're not getting that with James Harden. Like you're not getting that with the NBA. So I thought that, I thought the Max Crosby comments were very symbolic of why we love football. I think you really touch on something. I think Matt and I've been bringing Max on a couple times a year for years. I'd see him at every UFC fight I went to. He would talk to anybody, anytime. Same with Christian McCaffrey. You come up and talk to Christian McCaffrey, he'll talk your ear off. And I think that's just a relatability that matters.
- [42:09]
Colin Cowherd
And think about this, and I'm going to talk about this on my podcast, is that McCaffrey, you know, comes from, I don't want to say NFL royalty, but Ed was a really good NFL player, went to Stanford like Christian. It would. Yeah, Max to me represents the NFL and honestly kind of society, didn't go to a school that most people have heard about, was not drafted. He wasn't even the first defensive end his own team took in that draft. They took Cleveland Farrell in the top five. And when the dust settles, he just keeps grinding. He had issues off the field fix that, became a great husband, became a focused guy, started lapping people and as he got older, started taking people out in the dust because that's the NFL. Came from a school that wasn't Alabama or usc. Then all of a sudden you look up, the guy's made nine Pro Bowls and $200 million Khalil Mack just made. I googled it yesterday. I'm like, how much money is this guy made? But at the end of next year, he'll have made $220 million, played at
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John Middlekauff
Buffalo and he's still great.
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Colin Cowherd
He looks incredible. Last year, if it wouldn't have been for the elbow injury, probably it's 10 sacks. So it's like the NFL is full of guys that yes, you're going to get. You know, you're Peyton Manning from the sec, number one pick, but you're also going to get a guy that was a one year starter that's drafting the sixth round, become your greatest quarterback of all time. You know, Joe Montana forever, he was a third round pick who's six foot one. You know, it's like guys come in all shapes and sizes. They come all different paths in football. It's not like, like some guys have early good starts, like check in after four or five years. Because the NFL year in, year out to be a really good player, especially in the trenches or a quarterback or a linebacker. It is. And the other thing, I just think there's a nature of the sport, whether it's high school, college or the NFL. Even with nil, you're still getting yelled at at practice. There's a nature, your teammates are yelling at you. There's a humility that just comes along with being criticized by your peers and by your bosses every single day, which I just think happens less and less all over. You can argue society and I think that helps. These NFL guys, they just feel very relatable when you see them in social settings with just normal everyday people that they can interact, I'd say most of them pretty easily.
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John Middlekauff
Well, that's why people are so down on Kyler Murray is he's such an outlier where you're not sure he loves the sport. That's so rare in football. That's very common in the NBA where guys at 4 o' clock call up and say, I got a, my ankle hurts. You know, I, I took a nap my ankle hurts. And they don't, you know, and I, I don't. I'm not saying they're lying, but it's just like, you don't play through certain things so well.
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Colin Cowherd
That's why to me, Tyler, like, I wouldn't be in that business. And if you are in the business, whoever does sign them, it shows that that team's pretty desperate, you know? Pretty desperate.
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John Middlekauff
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John Middlekauff
Let me talk to the guys for a second. If you're over 40, you still work out, compete, still expect results. But your energy isn't what it used to be, and the weight's harder to move. You're not imagining it. Energy drops, metabolism slows, fat sticks around. Even when your habits haven't changed, that's not you losing discipline. That's your body changing and needing better support. MDrive products for years, I trust them every day. Boost and burn one of their supplements built specifically for men over 40 struggling with energy and weight, with support for healthy T levels designed for everyday use. Not extreme dieting. Not not crash fat burners, just smarter daily support. It combines clinically tested ingredients with measured stimulants supporting metabolism and fat burn without extremes. MDrive is the number one men's health brand at Sprouts. Support your body the smart way. Go to mdrive for men.com the code is heard. H E R D for 25 off your first order. Mdrive for men.com Code H E R D All right, two truths and a lie. Here we go. I went to college with college football coach Jim McElwaine. I began my broadcasting career doing play by play for the Las Vegas Stars. And I've been a Verizon customer for 15 years. Okay, I lied. All three are true. Verizon isn't as expensive as you think. In fact, if you bring in your ATT or T mobile bill to a Verizon store, they'll give you a better deal. That's right, a better deal on the best network with the most ways to save on plans, streaming and phone deals. So take that AT and T or T mobile. Build to your local Verizon store today. Get a better deal and start saving based on root metrics. Best overall Mobile Network Performance US Second Half 2025 all rights reserve must provide recent consumer mobile bill in the name of the person redeeming the deal. Additional terms, conditions and restrictions apply. All right, let's start with this. Okay, I, I know he only has six starts. NFL free agency. Malik Willis, 22 million a year, three year deal with the Dolphins. He is not Tua. Stop saying that. He's a real athlete with a better arm. He's got a, he's got a much better arm than Tua. And he's really athletic. I know he's young. I like him. I, you know, John, I've said this for years. I don't know anything about music other than I like it. I can watch these musical shows. I can tell in 30 seconds if somebody has like lounge act or you could sign them to a record deal. And I don't know anything about music. I know a little about football. When I watch that kid's escapability arm. He's got, I mean, he's got. Again, it's the, it's Green Bay. So he was well coached. But there were Packer fans saying they thought he was as good or better than Jordan Love. I think the Dolphins went and found a very interesting player at quarterback.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, the other thing is the people that just signed him know him. You, it's not the offensive coach, the defensive coordinator that went against him forever. Because you know, in the NFL when you're the backup quarterback, you Run the, you know, you run the scout team, you service the defense. So Jeff Halfley had a front row seat for two years and the general manager who was the right hand guy for Gudiken's, same thing, right? From an evaluation standpoint, do you remember a guy improving this much this fast? Cause remember with Tennessee he was pretty bad. Like he was unplayable. And then last year when he had to play, he was basically just a running quarterback when the floor remember because he got hurt in week one in Brazil. Loved it. And then he had to play and they started winning like, okay, there's at least something there. I gave Leflore a lot of credit this year. To me with his arm was fantastic because he proved two things. One, he could come out of the bullpen. So he played in the game when Love got hurt against the Bears that he was not planning on playing. And then, let's face it, Love was kind of hit or miss this year in that game. He was fantastic in the cold weather, which is a big knock on Tua and a big knock on the Miami Dolphins. Can't play in cold weather. Well, why is that the case? Usually when you have a pea shooter arm, what doesn't pierce the cold in the wind? Weak arm strength. Look at the great quarterbacks. You know, historically in that region. Big Ben, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Breeze played in a Dome. Rivers played in Southern California. Eli Manning, huge arm. Where'd he play? New York. You know, Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Patrick Mahomes. Cold weather quarterbacks burrow somewhat of an outlier. Not a great arm, but he's just, he's like Montana, just a great player. So it kind of translates. But I'm with you. I not only like it, but I think it's an incredible story of just improvement. Clearly he was always a high character, interesting human, but the play was really raw when Tennessee drafted him. But the lafleur deserves a lot of credit because that offensive staff improving the player deserves a lot of credit. Incredible story. I'm with you. I think no brainer for him. Miami to me is more interesting than going to than Arizona. So I like picking the spot. And you know the guys know you and believe in you. So it wouldn't shock me at all if he. I don't think he becomes like a top 78 quarterback but has just a solid career like what we saw last year. There is no disputing. He was a really good player in limited action. Really good.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah. And. And it should be noted that Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, you know, we've seen this before. There's more good offensive coaches, there's more sophisticated schemes. If you're a hardworking kid, you're not gobbling up, you know, too much cap space. Although they have to pay 2 off for 2 years. So I think we both like it. All right, here's another one. Mike Evans to the 49ers. So he is a big red zone target. They've, they have been hit and miss on receivers. I thought they over played their hand on Debo. He was good, briefly got hurt, moved him. Iuke's a disaster. Ricky Pearsall, solid, not great, but you know, late first round pick. Mike Evans, red zone guy. Kittle McCaffrey, Trent Williams. It's again older player picks up the playbook with Kyle Shanahan quickley a playmaker. It feels like Kyle Shanahan doesn't have a ton of patience with young players. He likes guys. I mean, it feels like to me he likes veteran players. So Mike Evans to the Niners. Again this gives Brock Purdy another weapon. Feels like it works to me.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, fits their kind of mold. High character, high level guy, very productive. You know, fred Warner, Christian McCaffrey, like that type human slash player. Ricky Pierce all is a good player. Just can't stay on the field. And Juan Jennings is going to get a lot of money. So the IU thing blew up in their face. Yeah, I mean they have a major question mark at the wide receiver position. And the other thing is the Rams are loading up on their defensive backfield. So I think the 49ers had to do something offensively because you saw in those last couple games against Seattle, obviously Kittle went down in the second game, but they just had no firepower. And the one thing you have to do, the Rams prove this. If you have some firepower, this is not 1987. The rules are on your side as an offensive coach. But they were rolling out practice squad level guys. So you get Mike Evans, a future hall of Famer. Love that move. Doesn't shock me at all. I mean the 49ers at this point in time haven't been that active the last couple of years in free agency. But that's, that's a Kyle Shanahan type guy for sure.
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John Middlekauff
Yeah, I mean it's. Listen that the entire team gets nicked up. I mean there's been stories about some right next to their practice facility there's a substation which weakens tissues. I don't know if it's true, but to me he feels so 49ers. All right, let me throw another one at you. We talked about this yesterday. Tyler Linderbaum. I'm not sure why Baltimore didn't sign him. Probably because they have a Lamar contract. Renegotiation coming up. Renegotiation coming up. Max Crosby is expensive. Kyle Hamilton, outside of Creed Humphrey of the Chiefs. There's an argument Tyler Linderbaum is the best center in football. I thought they were going to resign him. He was a first round pick out of Iowa. Tough, smart, durable, doesn't miss a lot of starts. I love this is an A plus move to me by the Raiders because this is what Ben Johnson did with the Bears. You know, they went drafted JPJ out of Oregon last year. He's more of a guard. He was a center in college. He's more of a guard. Then they bring in a Pro bowl center for Fernando Mendoza. Now their offense, basically, they'll probably, they have so many picks. They'll probably get a receiver in the second or third round. They'll also probably draft a right tackle fourth, fifth round. I love this. To me, this is my favorite signing so far in free agency.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, look at all the good teams, right? The Ravens for the last four years have had one of the best centers. The Chiefs have one of the best centers. The Bills just paid their center. Like, I mean center kind of matters, especially when you have a young quarterback. And I think if you're a Raider fan, you look at it go. We essentially traded max Crosby for two first round picks, one being 14 and a center who's one of the better centers in the league. I just looked. He hasn't missed a snap really in the last two years. So this is a very durable classic like Midwest center. Right. The other thing is, I would say this for the Raven standpoint. He was banged up last year, but the previous two years, when you factor in the center obviously was an excellent player and likely who accounted for 11 touchdowns in 23 and 24, was very productive in their two playoff or their two playoff runs those two years. Like he's not Kelsey or Kittle or anything, but he was a unique player for them and made huge plays. Even the play that led to the miss field goal against Pittsburgh on that Sunday night game. Who made the crazy catch? Isaiah likely. How many teams have a six six guy? I mean he kind of plays like a little Darren Waller basketball player, elite athlete. You just, you don't need to be that accurate. Just throw them a 50, 50 ball because it's not a 50, 50 ball. So there are some injury concerns. He's not the most durable player. He is a unique player though. So you tell me the Ravens on offense with this 29 year old aging quarterback, new offensive coordinator, lose their, you know, kind of just stalwart guy at center and this unique chess piece with likely, you know, Henry still got something in the tank, but he's a little older. Zay Flowers isn't exactly Jerry Rice. Good player, but I mean their offense has some question marks. Assuming their defense will improve, which it will, but I don't know. That's, that's to me something to keep an eye on with the Ravens who are clearly trying. You know, we talked about this last night, right? Super bowl or bust. I mean, making it to the Super Bowl. They're in this little couple year window now of them and the Bills. There's no, well, we made the playoffs. That's not really their standard in their organization. Now.
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John Middlekauff
Rashawn Gary to Dallas Rusher off the edge. I mean, listen, Quinn and Williams, Kenny Clark and the trade for Micah Parsons, Rashawn Gary, it allows them to go get a corner and maybe a Caleb Downs in the draft in the first round. I mean that's what it feels like to me is that they're, they're going to buy, you know, they're going to spend money defensively up front. They don't want to wait for developing players. Jerry Jones is getting older, Dax getting older. So they're going to go buy veteran players up front, which they have, and then they're going to draft on the back end. I still think they're going to draft defensive players with their picks in the first round.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think clearly there's going to be a good defensive back there with their first pick, which is, what is it, 13 like they're going to get Caleb Downs, definitely there's a chance he's there when you factor in or one
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John Middlekauff
of the two best corners.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they're going to get and I think at pick 20 gives them a little leeway of just they can take a great player. Right. Who doesn't have to be a position of need. Say this about the Cowboys. They've. They've drafted pretty well, especially in the first round from Zach Martin. You know, Zeke was really good. Obviously CD Lamb, like Tyler Smith has
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John Middlekauff
become a good player.
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Colin Cowherd
Tyler, all their offensive linemen have become, you know, starters for their team. So I one thing you'd say about Jerry in the front office operation, Jerry's not the guy breaking down seven games on every player right now. He's the guy front and center when the press conference comes. But they have a really good scouting staff. So I, I think the Cowboys, I, I was just texting somebody. I, I think the Giants this NFC east, you know the Eagles, they, they lose Jalen Phillips, their pass rush when they won the Super Bowl a couple years ago was like historically great. I think they have four guys get double digit sacks. Well since then Brandon Graham retired, came back, probably retire again. Fletcher Cox is gone. Obviously sweat is now on the Cardinals. They have this Jalen Carter situation who is an elite talent but they are very uncomfortable paying him 40, 45 million dollars. That's so now you look at the Giants who have some stability. The Cowboys offensively have been fantastic. Schottenheimer proved like he's a pretty good offensive play call. If their defense is just solid, they're going to be a pretty interesting team. So you got to have the Giants and the Cowboys like that division is going to be to me dramatically more competitive than I would say it's been over the last 10 years when it's basically just been the Eagles or those couple years with McCarthy when the Cowboys were pretty loaded. But now the commanders. I think commanders still have a lot of question marks. I think they clearly wanted Linderbaum, but what did the Raiders have? No state income tax could offer a huge amount of money. You just have a fresh slate here come you get to be the team captain. So the commanders had cut their center. He's now on the Chargers. I'm sure they wanted Linder Bomb. They don't have that. The roster is kind of old to begin with so. And the Eagles just got a lot of moving parts now. They still got a lot of talents and talent in the NFL matters but man, there's just that. That division to me has gotten a lot more interesting in the last couple months, I would say.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I don't think they had a choice either. I think it's pretty clear to them, too. I don't think they would have taken Jeremiah Love, but at this point in time, you're weighing all your options. I think they understand that that wasn't even going to be an option at pick nine. So you go, quote, unquote, overpay. I mean, they gave him a substantial amount of money. Three years, $45 million almost guaranteed. 30. Remember a couple years ago, that was essentially what Howie Roseman gave Saquon Barkley. So these running backs, they've been on zoom calls, always bitching and moaning. They don't get any money. Like business has been a lot better the last couple years. The money has gravitated toward them. Listen, the Chiefs, they weren't going to let Baltimore and Buffalo have all the fun like Andy Reid. They don't plan on. I know a lot of people talk about this. I'll just have an off Year and they ain't mailing anything in. Their game plan is Mahomes starting week one. They plan on winning. They get a plug and play running back. Now one thing that he's going to have to prove he can do, Andy likes throwing the ball to the back, right? Shady McCoy, Brian Westbrook, Jamal Charles, when he first got.
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John Middlekauff
That's not what Walker does.
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Colin Cowherd
So it's like now, now could they maybe want to adapt a little bit to take some pressure? Who they bring back? Eric B. Enemy. What's he, a running back guy, right? So maybe they want to take a little pressure off coming off an injury, right? Coming off an ACL, they're not going to want him to throw 40, 50 times a game like he did earlier in his career. So could they maybe try to lean on Kenneth Walker a little bit more? Now that would be very opposite of Andy's history. But listen, what do you talented people in any industry do? They adapt. They change. Andy's changed. How many times? His offense. His offense now, ask anyone, is dramatically different than it was 10 years ago, 20 years ago. So what if you tell everyone? I don't think many people in the league would believe you. They're a rushing team this year, right? They got a good guard, they got a good center, they got a young stud left tackle like you said. What if they draft a right tackle? And if they go, you know what, why don't we do some Kyle Shanahan and just run the ball, take a little pressure off our quarterback, build up our young defense with our stud coordinator. So what if the Chiefs are their game plan? This, this year is to be one of the better rushing teams. Look at, you know, the bills with, with Cook. Now Cook's a better player than Walker, but what if the Chiefs are about to throw a little curveball here and become a running offense?
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John Middlekauff
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I thought he was going to go to the Giants and then they signed. Likely that's not happening. I mean, by all accounts, maybe there just is a tie that I undervalue a little bit. This is a unique player with a unique connection to Andy and the Chiefs and for the right price. I mean, at this point in time he's, he's so wealthy on and off the field that maybe he's just cool with, like, hey man, I, I understand. I'm not a 15 million dollar a year player anymore. Could we go like 5 and incentivize that up if I give you 10 touchdowns? But this is where I want to be. These are my people, which, which I value. I think I, I do understand from a player standpoint of seeing some, you know, Kobe Bryant types like, this is the only franchise I ever played with, even though historically that's not really how the NFL works. So I, I am a little surprised if it does, if it does work out. But I think the reason that we haven't seen it yet is the Chiefs aren't just gonna. Well, Travis, you, here's the check. You fill it in like those days are kind of over. Because he wasn't great last year, Colin. I mean, the drops, he definitely looked his age. I think you got to be very careful. And Andy has been over the course of his career of kind of, you know, separating the emotional connection to the human in the past.
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John Middlekauff
Right.
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Colin Cowherd
But this might just be a really tough one given that, I mean, Andy says I might owe some Super Bowls to this guy. Right. I mean, Right. So I, I, I do listen, we're all human beings. So I, this is probably really tough internally for Veech and Andy. This is. Most players, they'd say, hey, see you, Godspeed, good luck, get what you can. Because this is, this is a little abnormal to what good teams do in the NFL. Right. But maybe there was just a connection that, that unless you really in that building with these guys every day that I, I even undervalue from the outside.
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John Middlekauff
So Alex Pierce, one of the moves, I think Alex Pierce is. Alex Pierce is very good out of Cincinnati. 29 million a year is a lot for him. That's a little steep. And the Sauce Gardner, two first round picks for Sauce Gardner. People thought that was too much. So suddenly Chris Ballard is hyper aggressive. The Steelers get Michael Pittman, which they needed a number two receiver. You know what that feels like to me? The Michael Pittman of the Steelers from the Colts. First of all, it frees up room for Pierce, who's a better downfield receiver. I think he's a faster guy. Pittman's a big, strong Pittman almost felt like a great two. Pierce feels like a middle one. I mean that, that's my interpretation that they really like Pierce and he can really move. Pittman's a very tough, durable. You know, his dad was a running back for Tampa. Pittman was a great player at usc. Tough, motivated, self starter, always liked him. But that feels like a Mike McCarthy bang the table. So the Steelers are paying DK Metcalf and Michael Pittman. Suddenly Pittsburgh now is got an offensive staff that you've heard of them before. Now they've got two expensive wide receivers. I don't know, it feels like that's a Mike McCarthy bang the table move that Pittsburgh has been the highest spending defense for I think four years in a row and I've argued for years, just move your money to offense. That's what teams like the Rams are doing. So Pittman to the Steelers. To me it's sort of a changing of the not only the guard, but changing of the tide where they're moving offensive money over the volume.
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