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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Bill Belichick UNC Buyout? Bears-Commanders, Jared Goff A Hall of Famer?
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Colin Cowherd
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
The volume.
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
I don't think he ever wanted to be there in the first place. I said it at the time. Like, I was like, I'm going to be the last person who believes that this is going to actually happen. Like it all felt beneath him. Like I remember when he was photographed at a Chick Fil a in Atlanta after his interview with Arthur Blank. Like that was two hiring cycles ago. And then he won and then he did all of the media jobs and he was hoping to get another NFL job and it never came. And so he was like, well, I guess coaching in college is better than co. Than doing media. And I'm sure for a lifelong coach, that is correct. But then you saw the buyout reports that it dipped down to just a million bucks. It was like, oh, he wants to leave open any path to get back to the NFL. He never wanted to be there in the first place. And then on top of it, the embarrassment with whatever you think about the girlfriend situation, the reporting around that, the losing and then that's all before any of the things that you're talking about, which are of course totally true and valid. But like if you didn't really want to be there in the first place and then you start getting mocked for being there and then you start losing and you've got 18 year old kids mouthing off to you like he has to be miserable right now. Colin.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. And like Lombardi's an NFL guy. Charlie Weiss had some early success at Notre Dame, but Charlie has got kind of that gruff northeast personality. And that's fine. I, some of those guys lived out there for 10 years. I liked a lot of guys like that. They're really, bottom line, they're kind of gruff, they're kind of Kurt. But you know, Carolina, the Carolinas is different. Everybody's got a little y'. All. It's, it's. You know what I mean? Like Roy Williams, Dean Smith. There's a certain sensibility to it. And I just, it's a weird fit to me. Like, I think I've told you this before, maybe I'm obsessed with this, but I'm always surprised when very success when very successful, seemingly bright older men can't aren't self aware like Bobby Knight. Bobby, you gotta do the one and done. Everybody's doing it. You're gonna get inferior players just too stubborn. And Bill Belichick. Bill, you can't spit on Robert Kraft like he's an owner. Owners are tight. Don't. You're not going to win. It'd be like me going against the Murdochs. Like just be a good employee, work your butt off. If they do something you don't like, eat it, deal with it. You know, it's like I Just sometimes I see these older men and they get stuck in their ways. We all know in our 20s, you kind of have to follow in line. Maybe it's the wealth, maybe it's the. I don't give a damn. But I mean, the idea that he wouldn't let. He wouldn't, like, tweet Drake May, you know, stuff because he was a patriot, like, does that. I don't know. Have you ever thought about that? We've seen, like, the Tony LaRusses, the Belichicks, the Bobby Knights. You're like, guys, rigid punctures, brilliance, don't do it.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. I mean, Barack Obama said it recently. I mean, and obviously he's a great orator, but he said something like 80% of the world's problems involve old men hanging on who are afraid of death and insignificance. Like, there's something to that. And we've got, like, an age minimum for you to be president. I'd be interested in an age maximum, you know, like. Like a sweet spot there for just, like, you want the people who are governing on the things in our world. Like, it's like, maybe impacts them. And so, yeah, I think, like, not to come across as too ageist here, but. Because there are clearly exceptions to the rule. But I didn't want. I would have wanted my NFL team to hire Pete Carroll. And I know you disagreed on that and you like Pete Carroll, and by all accounts, Pete Carroll is like a young mid-70s guy.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, that's what I say. He was an exception.
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Colin Cowherd
Sure. And that's. And that's fine. And I'll. And I'll. You know better than I do, so I'll grant you that one. But, like, the Bears had an opening. If you told me it was Ben Johnson or Pete Carroll, I'll take Ben Johnson 11 times out of 10, even though he's not proven as a head coach and Pete Carroll is. But I'd be betting on upside. I'd be betting on ability to connect with young players. I'd be betting on a longer Runway where he could stay there. So, yeah, I think that it's a real danger for a ton of people like that. They just get caught in their way. They get stuck in their ways, and they don't evolve. You know, there was a reporting that Bill Belichick was pitching these kids that, like, North Carolina was going to be, like, the 33rd NFL team. That just seems laughable now. It seems so laughable that he thought that he could just show up in Chapel Hill with inferior talent and Just be a pipeline to the, to the pros plug for my book, by the way.
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Danny Parkins
Pipeline the. Yeah, the whole thing. You know, there's an, there's a serious argument to me made. I've said this before. Men are bad at exits. We have a million pickup lines but we break up with somebody and don't even text. We can get into wars. We can always rationalize getting into wars. We can never get out of them. Men are bad at exits. And when somebody goes through something, I put myself in that spot. I think what would I would have done And I look when Brady retired in New England and my take just selfishly for legendary for legacy preservation, I would have said, listen, I owe the crafts one year of stability and I'm going to root for Tom Brady harder than anybody's ever rooted for a player. We'll never be the same franchise without Tom. I'm going to stay for one year to just get some stability here and get people kind of ready and then I'm going to retire. And Bill has kind of a walk off here because if you remember, they get Cam Newton. He praised Cam Newton. Cam was past his prime, but, you know, it was okay. Here comes Mac Jones. You know, there was a real moment in time. Bill didn't need the money and he knew the team wasn't as good. And then he kind of stayed and stayed. In fact, I made, I said this on the air, Danny, I said, I don't think this is true. But knowing Bill's petty and grudge holding personality, go to that last draft that Bill controlled. Slowest team in the league, two kickers and three interior linemen. It was like he was saying, I'm going to leave you with an awful roster. I mean they, at one point they drafted three guards like two kickers and they had no speed. And I think I really do. If you look at that last draft when Belichick knew he was in trouble, it was the decisions. Matt Patricia offensive coordinator it was like he wanted to humiliate. He knew his legacy was set. He wanted to humiliate the franchise. I know it sounds crazy and I don't believe it's true, but it's not the nuttiest thing I've ever said.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, no, that's a high bar to clear. Yeah, I mean he, the Patricia, the drafts, like, I think there's like a real legitimate argument to make when you look at the drafts and beyond the last one of like Bill Belichick as an evaluator of talent leaves a ton.
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Danny Parkins
To be desired on the Offensive side. That's Khan, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Exactly. And so he is. Someone asked me earlier, like, do you think this impacts his legacy? Because you kind of hinted at that. I don't think so. I think that it's humiliating right now. This is very embarrassing. It feels beneath him. And I've thought that, like I said, I said it on FS1 when I was doing Breakfast Ball. I was like, I don't believe that he's going to go to North Carolina because I don't believe he wants to do it. And now he's just kind of seen it through, and it's clearly going horribly. But, like, in 20 years, when we're talking about the greatest coaches of all time, he's going to be on everyone's Mount Rushmore. Like, that's his legacy. It's secure. We don't talk about Wizards. We don't talk about Emmett Smith with the Cardinals. Like, this is like a of the moment now, if you want to have the. Like. Who was more responsible for the Patriots dynasty, Brady or Belichick?
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Danny Parkins
Pretty clear.
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Colin Cowherd
Pretty clear. Pretty clear. Even though, like, some of the earlier Super Bowls, before Brady was really Brady, those were more Belichick, but, like, the majority of them were more Tom than Bill. And then obviously, Bill won the. Or Tom won the breakup with what happened in Tampa. So, like, if you're having that specific legacy conversation, Brady over Belichick, I think now is going to be not a majority opinion. Like, I think it's going to be a consensus, but it's like, greatest football coach of coaches of your lifetime. Like, he's on one hand, right? If not number one.
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, that's the argument that Richard Sherman and Tony Gonzalez were making about Russell Wilson. Boom. Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
So there's no question. The fall is so precipitous. He got kind of weird, and it's like, pete, get out. Sean, get out. Tomlin, get out. Jackson Dart. Excuse me, Russ. Like, it was. I mean, Philip Rivers had the mobility of a batting cage in Indianapolis. He could. It was. I remember his gm, Tom Telesco, saying, he's the worst athlete right now in the sport. And he is unbelievable. Like, Tom loved him. He's like, People don't understand he has no athletic ability at this point in his last year to two, like, it just. He didn't have any left, right?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
And he was never super mobile, but he was. He was a big, strong athlete. But his last year to two, he goes to Indianapolis. He just can't move, dude. He was out of this world. At Indianapolis, I think they were like 11 and were they 11 and 5? He got to a playoff game in Buffalo. They played well. You. Russell's great years get. Get a little marginalized because of Marshawn lynch, the defense. And there was a. There was a two to three year period. It was one of the best rosters in 30 years. And then to fall off a cliff and like elite coaches. Tomlin Peyton. Yeah, like, we're not interested at all. I think it. I think it keeps Russ out.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Well, I think it's really, really hard to get into the Pro Football hall of Fame. And, you know, it's a little different because, like, Russ is doing the same job that he was doing. Like, Bill, like, went to media and then went to college. Right. So it's different where it's like, Russ, NFL quarterback. NFL quarterback. But there's a lot of. I mean, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Matthew Stafford. I saw you talk about Jared Goff. Like, in this era of passing football, it's going to be very, very, very difficult for quarterbacks to get in. What is most interesting to me about the Russ conversation, because you can make the case for him. Has the super bowl had the nine or 10 years of, like, consistent excellence? It's just clear that he is not very liked.
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Danny Parkins
It's weird.
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Colin Cowherd
What does Tony Gonzalez have against Russell Wilson? You know, okay, Richard Sherman, Maybe they didn't get along. Teammates, offense, defense, riff, like, what? But like a current hall of Famer, like a Gold jacket member saying, this guy's not going to wear a gold jacket. And it's not like a steroid situation or like an ethics moral. What did he do? Why does he have such a strong opinion about it?
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Danny Parkins
I think there's just a sense that Russell's inauthentic. And I think there. You can literally do awful things as a pro athlete and still have the respect. I mean, there was a lot of questions about Ray Lewis's involvement with a murder. He was still respected by athletes. You can be involved in bankruptcies and infidelity, but if guys think in the mob, if they think you're a rat, doesn't matter. If you're a big earner, you're a rat. And in pro football, if guys think you're a phony and inauthentic, you're out. I think it's just a line you.
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Colin Cowherd
Don'T cross, and I think you're probably on it. And I know that that is just like one clip from a Thursday Night Football post game show that went viral. That is sticking with me. But, like, if Richard Sherman would have said that and then Tony Gonzalez would have kind of like echoed it, I'd be like, okay, but how does Tony Gonzalez know that? Richard Sherman, that Russell Wilson's fun. Like, he wasn't in a huddle with him. He wasn't in a locker room because Russell Wilson might make the hall of Fame, and then he would be in a room with Tony Gonzalez, and I'd imagine that would be a little awkward. So it was just. I can't really think of a comp for a current hall of Famer campaigning against a prospective hall of Famer ever. Unless it's a moral of the game. Because we had. There's a million of them in baseball, but it's all steroids related. Like, it's not just like, nah, that guy's not good enough to get in.
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Danny Parkins
Well, it's funny because let's say I. My marriage, I didn't have co workers at my marriage. I had a wife, a chef, producer, a college friend. I had a wife, an agent, I had a neighbor. You know, I had a lot of different people. My sister, family, my wife's family. I didn't have broadcasters. Nobody thinks twice about that. But if you're an athlete and get married, especially a quarterback, and you don't have any players involved, it does feel unfairly weird. It's like if you owned a restaurant and you had nobody from the restaurant at your wedding, because we know you work 80 hours a week and nobody goes to your wedding. You kind of feel like in pro sports, it's a brotherhood. You can have any players at your wedding. Have like one guy. And I remember reading that story and thinking, that feels odd. And I thought, well, it wouldn't be odd. I didn't have broadcasters. But broadcasters go their own separate way. You know what I mean? Like, we go in, we work, we leave, we don't hang out together. Maybe your first job in El Paso you do. But, you know, as you move on in Chicago, you got wives and kids. But it's just one of those things that. That was because I was always a big rust defender. And when I read that story about getting married and there weren't players there, I Was like, that does feel odd that, that, that's it. Because especially as a quarterback, you'd bring your lineman.
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Colin Cowherd
That was the thing I was just going to say the quarterback doesn't have friends on the team. That, that, that can't be good. I would want to be his left tackle. Yeah, no, he's, and by the way, I've never met Russell Wilson. He is clearly a little weird. Like he's, he's a little different, a little eccentric, which is, which is fine. It's just, it's surprising still to me to hear that many those high profile people, teammates and otherwise, speak out against him. And I'm with you at this point. If I had to bet on it, on him being a finalist but not getting in like, getting past like the first couple of rounds, down to the final 15 and not getting in like Canton stuff, I, you know, we've been off the last, you know, for, for baseball playoffs, but I saw you had a Jared Goff. You have him as a Hall of Famer.
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
Well, he's definitely. He's definitely seems like a very nice guy. Yeah. And I mean, LaPorta and Jameson Williams are young, you know, so. Yeah, he's got. Got plenty. Plenty of young talent. The numbers are ridiculous. The only thing I would say is because I, I love the Lions and they've been my super bowl pick three years in a row, so eventually, maybe I'll get it right. It's not just a stats thing, you know, like, it's, It's. It's not like he. He does. He will need to hoist a trophy because, like, I think Stafford is in. Because Stafford is going to finish sixth all time in passing.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, Stafford's in.
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Colin Cowherd
I agree. And he. And he has the trophy. But, like, if Stafford didn't have the trophy very hard.
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Danny Parkins
Probably not. That's what.
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Colin Cowherd
But he's got numbers that are far. I mean, obviously we'll see where Jared Goff ends up. But, like, it's not like a guarantee that Jared Goff ends up top five all time in passing yards. He. He might, but it helps.
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Danny Parkins
It does help. Even though it's not linear, it does help that golf is better with the Lions than Stafford was.
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Colin Cowherd
Yes. Yes.
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Danny Parkins
I mean, you look at it and you're like, God, Goff crushed. And Stafford never did. Now, one of them had the best young GM in the sport or one of the best GMs. So it's not apples to orange apples. Right. It's different. But I do think there's, you know, that's just one of those things you look at and you're like, well, golf won big in Detroit, and we all know it's same ownership, Right. You know, quirky head coach. And Dan Campbell, he didn't have McVeigh.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. But I, But I think that like, like in a vacuum, in their prime, starting a team, right? Stafford. Yeah, right. Stafford. Exactly. Exactly. And so. And again, that's also not the criteria for the hall of Fame. But I remember a GM was like, my job is to evaluate individual talent amidst the team sport. Like, that's like the job of the football general manager. Right. And so, like, it's why I've always been a big Herbert guy and like it just I watch him and now not everyone is a free agent. We are not doing this to start a team. But I'm like that guy is one of the five best at the position. He just doesn't have he doesn't have the trophy case for it. Stafford in his prime always felt like the same type of thing to me. Like I would love to give Howie Roseman the ability to build a team around Matt Stafford to give Brett Veach to give Brad Holmes the general manager of the Lions like the built to build around the great quarterback because the he's a Hall of Fame talent and now I do think that Stafford has enough of a resume that he will ultimately get in golf. I think is going to need a trophy like if he is has regular season success and counting stats. The Pro Football hall of Fame is really tough to get into so I think they're going to have to break through and start winning in the playoffs.
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Danny Parkins
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Colin Cowherd
Well, I hope you're wrong. We'll start there. I what I will push back on is you're right. I don't think that the advantage for the Bears coming out of the buy is the same as it is for Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Bruce Arians. In terms of like extra game planning for Washington, like that is probably not what was happening but like you know what I'd settle for as a Bears guy? Figuring out how to run the ball a little bit like that. I do think that having a new coach that is trying to instill a new system, having an early buy is helpful because it's more about self scouting. It's more about like an extra week of training camp. And so yeah it's maybe not like the conventional AD but like maybe the Bears will get the play call in a few seconds faster. Maybe they'll have a few fewer pre snap penalties. Maybe they'd have a game with no pre snap penalties. That would be amazing. Like and so like those are low bars to clear. But I have thought that the Bears have gotten better week to week to week with Caleb Williams playing on schedule playing in the pocket. What Ben Johnson is clearly trying to get out of him, some of it was the opponent, right? Dallas's defense is a layup. The Raiders defense hadn't been very good. That is clearly part of it. And Washington has a very good pass rush and we'll see how healthy the Bears offensive line ends up being. We don't know who's going to start at left tackle or right tackle at this moment in time which is not great for the Bears. But I do expect the Bears to play well because I think that they are. I think that they are very bought in on Ben Johnson. I do think he's a good coach and I think that they are going to self scout like Grady Jarrett and TJ Edwards should help their run defense a little bit. And I just, I'm expecting a great game so I don't love it as nearly as much as you do from either side. I. I don't have a pick you love. Not in the game. I don't. I mean again but part of this is I really really I've got a lot of like take equity in Caleb Williams being good and this is such a fun spot for Ben Johnson and the Bears. Like everybody left Caleb for dead in the Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams debate, right? Jaden has the best rookie year I've ever seen. Caleb Williams, rocky at best, gets his play caller fired, his head coach fired. Everyone's got Jaden Daniels as this great guy. It's also the game you'll remember where the Bears lost on the Hail Mary last year. They were 4 and 2. Tyreek Stevenson is taunting the crowd and then his guy catches the Hail Mary and then The Bears lose 10 straight games. So exercising the demons of the Hail Mary game, Caleb v. Jaden Ben Johnson out of a buy like I just, I have a sneaking suspicion that we're going to get the best version of the Bears. They might lose, but I will be shocked if they play poorly. Like I will. I will just be shocked if they play poorly. And I still have enough root in me for the Bears that I'm just going to not bet this one because I'll be sweating it enough, which is a little embarrassing as a degenerate gambler. But as of now, I have no bet in the game.
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Danny Parkins
All right. Baseball Cubs beat the brewers four to three. The brewers have been the better team all year. It's got to be frustrating as hell to live in Chicago and have the packers and the brewers small market Milwaukee be superior organizations all. Although I think Ricketts is a really good, above average owner. Really in the community, really respected, really smart guy. Based on how the Cubs season is gone, let's say the Cubs lose in four or five. How will that be viewed? Because I know when you're a Mariner fan, they're the only team that's never been to a World Series. If they get to the ALCS and they get overwhelmed by Toronto in six, you'd be like, listen, what a great season. Most of their guys are in arbitration. It's a young team. I mean Cal Raleigh this year is only making two and a half like Seattle's young ascending, loyal fans only team in the Northwest. If it goes to the American League Championship Series and you win some games, it's just a magical season to remember. New York, once Garrett Cole got hurt was delusional if they thought they were going to win the thing. The Dodgers just have far more good players and the brewers ended up being better than the Yankees. And the Blue Jays I do believe will win that Series. They just, they get, they hit too much. I mean the Yankee starters. Toronto is hitting.439 against Yankee starters. It's like beer league softball numbers. So. But how are the Cubs viewed? Because Milwaukee has been. They swept the Dodgers this year. They have Been a freight train. Let's say they lose the next game or let's say they take it five and lose. How will that be viewed in Chicago?
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Colin Cowherd
Massive disappointment and wildly frustrating, if not expected. Few, few layers to it. And maybe the biggest one is the Cubs stole Craig Counsel from the Bruce right there, their manager. They made him the highest paid manager in the sport by far. Everyone has biases. You have to, you can trust the people who admit their biases. I, I'm friends with Craig Counsel. He was my brother's childhood best friend. I've known him since I was 6 years old. I do a big charity thing with the Cubs. Like so, like I know Craig pretty well and I root for the Cubs since I was a little kid. Craig's brilliant. He's a great manager. But the Cubs dwarf the brewers and payroll. They stole their manager and they had fewer wins than the brewers last year and they had fewer wins than the brewers this year. And then if the brewers are the team that eliminates them from the postseason, it's just not acceptable given the payroll and the resources disparities. It's just not like and Tom Ricketts, by the way, would say the same thing. Like he, he will not be happy with the result of that. And and Cubs fans would say, well then spend more money. And the Cubs were disappointing at the deadline because Justin Steele, who's their ace, got hurt in April out for the year and they did not make a big buy at the deadline. They made four moves, mostly peripheral, smaller moves and that was seen as very disappointing because they didn't go out and get a true difference maker.
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Danny Parkins
Did those moves help?
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Colin Cowherd
Well, that's the thing. There really was no true difference making pitcher who was traded. Like it was a fairly benign deadline in that way, but fans don't really want to hear that. And so Steele got hurt in April. And then Cade Hortons, their rookie pitcher who was an absolute stud, he got hurt in September. So like he so that it was oh wow, Horton's going to be able to carry him. And then he got hurt right before the playoffs. So they started column they had an opener in game two against the Padres. They did a bullpen game in Game 2 of the Wild card series. Like that's how depleted the Cubs pitching staff is. So at this point and showed him Managa, who they've paid a bunch of money to and was really good, has been struggling and giving up a ton of homers and he got shelled in Game 2 against Milwaukee. So the Cubs just do not have enough Arms. So I will be shocked if the Cubs beat the brewers in this series. I'll be shocked by it. But a lot of people have wanted to blame Counsel, and I just don't think that that is right. And yes, again, I am friends with them, but I think objectively, they don't have the arms. They do not have the horses. And given their payroll and their advantages, it's wildly disappointing. So hopefully this is a big off season for them. And I mean, listen, first of all, hopefully they make a run and they shock me and they make me eat my words. But assuming with your pretense that they lose in four or five, Cubs fans are not going to be satisfied with this year because of the inactivity of the deadline and because of who they lost to. They feel like they lost a little brother and pickup. And it's embarrassing.
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Danny Parkins
You know, it's. It's interesting about how this is more of a player empowerment era the last 15 years than previously.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, sure.
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Danny Parkins
And I mean, outside of the SEC and even that scaled back in the last three or four years, where you can still berate players like it's the 70s. I mean, not shy of Woody Haze, but like, like, bad behavior looks like a lunatic dad screaming at a son. You can still get away with that, right? In the South? I don't think it works as well in the Big Ten. It's just a different. It doesn't work at all on the west coast at all.
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Colin Cowherd
Well, how about. How about the Cardinals? The Cardinals finding Jonathan Gannon? I reread that story. It's hard to cut you off, but I was just, like, I didn't see anyone outraged by it. I didn't see.
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Danny Parkins
So let's. Were you bothered by that?
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Colin Cowherd
No, I wasn't. I mean, if a team wants to find him, that's fine. But, like, when I first saw that he was fine, I was like, oh, did the NFL fight him? And I was like, no. I was like, did the. Did the players union file a grievance? No. Was there, like, a big amount of media uproar over what Jonathan Gannon did on the sideline? No. Had any players come out, to our knowledge, and said that it was completely out of line? Like, no. Like, he's. What D. Markado did was intergalactically stupid and his coach blew a gasket. Unbecoming. I wouldn't want him to do it to my kid in Little League or even in, like, high school football or I guess we could talk in college football, like, in professional sports. I don't know, a misdemeanor. A misdemeanor at best.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah. Because the power dynamic in college or the, you know, especially in the last 20 years, until recently, the coach is making 8 million a year and the player's not making anything. That's a. That's a weird power dynamic. Like, don't touch the player.
- [38:50]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, of course.
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Danny Parkins
I mean, what Bobby Knight did now would not be tolerated. It wasn't tolerated then, frankly.
- [38:56]
Colin Cowherd
But, no, and. Nor, and nor should it. But, but in.
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Danny Parkins
But as a pro athlete.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I'm not saying it's good, but I'm also not at all offended by. And by the way, like, he didn't. Like, he didn't hit him. You know what I mean? Like, he didn't, like, punch him in the face. Like, he wasn't. Like, he was pissed. He was angry in the moment, and he made physical contact with him. Like, I didn't. It didn't register to me as this terrible thing. And by the way, I don't care that he got fined either. Like, a private business can discipline an employee, and that's fine. But I was just wondering, like.
- [39:36]
Danny Parkins
Who.
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Colin Cowherd
Were they doing that on behalf of? Like, who. Who was actually offended by what Jonathan Gannon did to make them feel like they needed to discipline it? Made it like, the owner, like, maybe just like the owner.
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Danny Parkins
The owner was probably the weakest owner in the league, honestly. Interesting guy. I think there are certain things the media is more bothered by than, like, fans, and I think one of them is treatment of players. It's always like. I mean, I could name writers that they're, you know, I mean, good God, Kaepernick sued the league. He's not going to get a lot of calls when there's an opening at quarterback like you. Collusion.
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Colin Cowherd
You don't even have a bunch of media outraged over Gannon.
- [40:26]
Danny Parkins
Oh, no, no, no. I'm saying, like. But I remember during the Kaepernick years, I'm like, guys, he sued the league.
- [40:32]
Colin Cowherd
Sure.
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Danny Parkins
If an employee sued me at the volume and he won, there's no collusion. I wouldn't hire them again. I wouldn't want the headache. There is no collusion. You don't have to say certain things and it's understood. Like, when you're a kid and mom or dad are pissed, the kids don't have to gather and vote on the outcome. If you do something stupid again, like, they're upset. Don't play ball in the house. Like this. Everybody knows. Certain your wife's upset with you. I think Tonight, Tonight I'll agree with everything she says. Everybody in the house gets that, it's the same. But I do think the media in Phoenix may have been very pro player and you can't touch a player and owners listen and read that stuff and are influenced by it. Because my take was I would have strongly considered cutting the player.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
I wouldn't have bothered me.
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Colin Cowherd
I looked it up because I wasn't like 100% sure. Like he's the exact type of player that you can cut. Right. I mean it's not like when desean Jackson did it like a decade and a half ago. Like, you're not cutting desean Jackson, like, right, right. Like bonehead move. But one of the best deep threats in the NFL for a decade. Like you're not cutting Deshaun but like a third year running back on a minimum contract who had eight carries before like leading into that game, like, you can cut that guy. And so, and again, this is, I'm not condoning making physical contact with you, but like Andy Reid and Travis Kelce physical altercation every six weeks. Like, and the one that happened a couple of weeks ago was Andy Reid initiating the physical contact with Travis Kelsey. Like it just. Maybe Phoenix media was pissed. Maybe there was some sort of huge outcry that I completely missed. But I'm pretty online and I'm pretty plugged into the media. All of it was, what a bonehead play by D. Markado. And how could it happen the week after Adonai Mitchell did it.
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Danny Parkins
We've had it happen three times because there was a Jets running back who did it too. And I went on the air the next day and I said my belief on why it's happening more because young people are performative. And it starts with TikTok and IG and everybody's performative. Go to a restaurant, people can't eat without taking pictures of their food. You can't go anywhere. In Italy, in Florence, it's just young people taking pictures. I've never taken a selfie. I'm not going to do it. I've taken pictures of my wife and I together to send to the kids. But we live in this world where 20 somethings, they're performative, they're always on camera. And so as they're scoring, the first thing many of them think about is, I want to put on a show. What will this look like if friends take a picture of it? And like, like A.D. mitchell never scored a touchdown before. Like the idea that in that moment the first thing you're thinking of is showboating is it's beyond me and apparently A.D. mitchell is very liked by the Colts and you know, in the room. But yeah, I think you have to send messages. I would cut players who did that. Football season's here and if you want to go to an NFL or college football game, Game Time is the place for you. The gametime app just gives you the advantage back to you the fans. It's a hack for unlocking amazing tickets and experiences in a few taps. I love it. Easy to use. The Game Time guarantee means you can Trust you'll get 100% authentic tickets on time and at the best price. 100%. So they even let you preview your seat on the app. That's special. Plus fees are always included. So what you see is what you pay every time. Take the guesswork out of buying professional football tickets with Game Time. Just download the gametime app. Create an account. If you use the code Colin C O l I N 20 bucks off your first purchase Terms apply again create an account. Redeem code C O L I N 20 bucks off swipe, tap, ticket. Go download the Gametime app today. If you smoke or dip, I'm going to give you a few good reasons to try Zyn. Zyn Nicotine Pouches first first, it's America's number one nicotine pouch brand and Zyn offers a robust rewards program. There's a lot of options for nicotine satisfaction, but there's only one Zyn. So if you go to zyn.com find that's z y n.com find to find Zyn at a store near you. This product does contain nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. I want to end with this because it's kind of a think piece. Derek Thompson writes for the Atlantic. He's one of my favorite writers. He's got he's kind of a theorist. He loves new data. He loves culture changes. And last week he was talking and he acknowledges he is center left and he admits it. He doesn't hide it. But I think he's a really interesting reader. I think he does a podcast for the ringer at the volume. We weren't really interested in him. We didn't reach out. But he was one of the two or three people that we were just fascinated with. And he and it's really an interesting thing he brought up this week. He was complaining about conservatives doing something. And he goes but what equally drives me crazy is that progressives in California, many are against Waymo and their take is we are Unemploying people. This is not good for jobs. And his argument was, timeout. We do not want to be the party that's anti tech. The conservatives are anti science. We can't be anti tech. And I read that, and I thought it is fascinating. I used to live in Oregon, very liberal. And gas stations, you can't pump your own gas. And Oregon's theory is it keeps thousands of people employed in the state of Oregon. And it rains a lot. So I kind of like somebody pumping my gas, to be honest with you. And by the way, gas stations are kind of dirty. You know, you're touching stuff. So it's like, I always kind of thought it was cool. You talk to the guy or gal, and it's like, that's good. So where would you fall on this? It absolutely will create job loss. I mean, there's no question Uber drivers are in big trouble in California because I'm telling you, where I live, Waymo cars are everywhere, Danny. And I prefer them. Nothing against the driver, but no driver. Yeah. And by the way, nobody has stale candy. Nobody wants to ask me about the eagles. I get in the car, it gets there fast, and I'm a Waymo guy.
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Colin Cowherd
Wow.
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Danny Parkins
But then tens of thousands of people could lose their jobs. As somebody, you acknowledge you're center left. What do you do if you're a Democrat in California? So my take is I'm pro technology.
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Colin Cowherd
And.
- [47:49]
Danny Parkins
And nobody has a right to a job. I grew up in a fishing village, and because the state of Washington limited salmon distribution or the number of salmon you could catch, salmon fishermen lost work. And my stepdad, who was a very much kind of a man of nature and a man of earth and a fisherman, and I used to argue with him, I'm going into broadcasting. If radio die tomorrow, I don't have a right to a job. And so it was like, just because you're a fisherman at 28 doesn't mean you're one at 48. Like, states have legislation. They protect our Earth. So I'm for Waymo, which means I'm kind of for job loss. Where do you land?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that's a good one, I think. I am pro innovation. And I am like, there's a lot of problems with capitalism, but it might be. It's the best. We got like, a play on that. The old democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other ones. And so are there problems with it? Yes. Are there unintended consequences? Absolutely. But I don't think you want to be in the business of stifling innovation, because what's the next thing that. That would. I'd be thrilled if there was some level of innovation that made pediatric cancer doctors have to go extinct because we had solved it, you know, and so, like, it's the type of thing where just in general, innovation is good. Like the easy pass put toll booth workers out of business, but it's objectively better. Like, we don't have to stop. We don't have to keep coins in our car. We can just keep going on our drive. But it put people out of business for a better way of life. So I've never been in a driverless car before, so I'm glad the guy wouldn't be the test case for it. So I'm glad to hear that you're doing it and it's going well. But, like, I think that type of. If they can do it, and they clearly can, and I. I'm aware of Waymo, and I'm aware of the fact that this is becoming more and more popular. Like, it's just gonna lead to less auto crashes. It's gonna lead to people being safer. It's gonna lead to fewer deaths. It's gonna lead to fewer deaths.
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Danny Parkins
Oh, no question. Also, there are safety concerns with women and male Uber drivers. I mean, that's nothing against Uber. There have been lots of lawsuits. You can go back and look at the history of Uber, and there have been lots of lawsuits. You eliminate that. You eliminate. I mean, there's no question the number of car deaths will plummet in America.
- [50:32]
Colin Cowherd
So, like, that, to me, an obvious negative is the job loss. But there are so many also positives that come with it. That. That one, to me, is not terribly difficult to be like, yeah, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. And in general, again, like, I. There's. There was a story arc in the Wire. The Wire, to me, is the greatest television show ever. And that show came out 20 years ago, 20 plus years ago, about, like, the. The. The dock workers and how they could unload and offload ships, like cargo ships, big containers that weigh, you know, thousands of tons and all that stuff. And there were these. The. The stevedores were like, that's gonna put us out of jobs. And. And they're like, yeah, but you're not going to die on the job. And then the stevedore's like, but I'd rather get injured on the job and have a job. But that's not. That's not the point. The guy who developed the technology to Offload the cargo ship faster, more efficiently, no stealing, no injuries. That guy created that company to do it. That was innovation, it was progress moving it forward. And so it sucks. And by the way, you mentioned the radio thing. I turned 39 in two weeks. I have no idea what the next 20 years of media is going to look like and what my career in this industry, cable television, cord cutting, podcasting, it keeps evolving. We have to keep evolving in our field. A lot of people have to keep evolving in theirs. So it doesn't. I feel bad for the individual who would lose their job enough to make me anti innovation and progress.
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Danny Parkins
I mean, listen, I did local tv sports. That kind of dried up.
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Colin Cowherd
That was, that's a good example. That was a job that in Chicago.
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Danny Parkins
You make a million dollars a year 20 years ago.
- [52:28]
Colin Cowherd
Correct, correct, exactly. That was a seven figure job into the first part of the 21st century. Like Mark Giangreco, friend of mine in Chicago, legend, covered like the Bulls, dynasties and all that. He was still making north of a million dollars into the 2000s. Now the people that have that job, low six figures and nobody watches, you know, it's just a, it's just a completely different ecosystem. And that's just the, that's the way of the world. So are you, are you, you're totally. Have you ever had an issue, by the way, driverless car?
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Danny Parkins
Way more.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. The vast majority of people here have never been in a drive listening to this. Have never been in a driverless car.
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Danny Parkins
Yeah, I've been in three. They're fantastic. And I'm not really, I'm not anti Uber. I've spent a lot of money on Uber, but there is a gap in Uber drivers and if you go the lower levels of Uber. I had an Uber driver because I had a very short drive recently in Chicago. He pulled up to my street and stopped in the middle of the street. Didn't pull into my driveway. There were 30 cars as I walked on the road to get in and like bowed my head and apologized and I mean, yeah, and it was the cheapest level of it. Cause it was like a six minute drive to the train station. So like Waymo, everybody's good. They're all the exact same. There's no good, bad, smelly. I mean, I've gotten into Uber cars before and the music's loud and it smells like hygiene issues. It's like, it's rare, but it happens.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Danny Parkins
And there's no question, I. So I, in Chicago, I take an Uber every day about a 7 to 10 minute drive from where I work to OTC Ogilvy train station. The gap in competency is startling. Yeah, seven to eight minutes for 10 to 15%. Now nine to 12 I've had 23 times.
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Colin Cowherd
Now, can I. Can I make a small suggestion to you before Waymo gets to Chicago? You're a pretty successful guy, Colin. You can go Uber Black. You can, you. You don't, you don't have to. You don't have to be in the Uber X to save your nine bucks and get in the back of someone's Corolla. Like, you can, you can, you could pay up for your Uber Black and get in a Suburban buddy.
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Danny Parkins
You don't know. And somebody in our family has to save money.
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Colin Cowherd
Fair enough. You know, Nick, Nick and I went to. You'll like this, Nick, and you can cut it if you want, but Nick and I went to the US Open and he. And getting out of there with cars is a disaster. And I live in Westchester, which is suburban New York, and Nick lives in Harlem. So we were going to go from US Open to Harlem to, to the suburb that I live in. So two stops. And Nick got like an Uber Black because it was. Just saved us, you know, 30 plus minutes of like finding the car just because. Leaving the US Open. And he's like, it was 300 bucks for the car, expensive car. And he's like, you owe me. He's like, you know, he had the tickets, very generous. And he's like, you know, both split the car. He's like, you owe me 150 bucks for the car. And I had 130 in cash on me. And I gave him the 130 and said, if I would have gotten the car, I would have gotten an Uber X. So take your 130. He was like, all right, I am the you and the this analogy. But I'm hoping that if I'm ever at your level, I will be the Nick in the analogy and just pay for the Uber Black.
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Danny Parkins
By the way, it doesn't really change if you think Google. It doesn't matter. My wife. My wife to this day will be like, you have six pair of shoes. I know what you make. And I'm like, I can live on four. Six is really pushing it. That's two jogging shoes. Like, come on, how many brown shoes do you need? One's the answer always.
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Colin Cowherd
What is the. Yeah, I think I've had. I've owned like 11 pairs of jeans in my life. I wore.
- [56:49]
Danny Parkins
I wore a pair of pants today, and I've had these easily a decade. They're gray. And I always argue. They go with everything and they go with nothing simultaneously. Yeah. And I had to do a shoot today and I'm like, could you guys not put these on camera for a Fox Sunday shoot? And they're like, yeah, the way this shot works, they're going to be on camera. And I'm like, does AI can they change? Like, can we use that thing on these pants? So I wear stuff to work that I'm embarrassed to put on camera. And I'm, in a weird way, I'm really proud of it.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, of course. I mean, you know, Superman wore the same thing every day. Steve Jobs wore the same thing every day.
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Danny Parkins
Where's that Nvidia guy?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The Nvidia guy wears the same thing every day. We're in good company. We're in good company.
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Danny Parkins
Danny Parkins. Good talking to you, buddy.
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Colin Cowherd
Always, Colin. Thank you. The volume. If you're a smoker or dipper ready.
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