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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Cam Smith on LIV vs. PGA, DeChambeau’s “Intimidating” Power, Jon Rahm’s Incredible Consitency
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I'm Manny.
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I'm Noah.
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This is Devin and we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no Such Thing where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming at me? I can't expect what to do now if the rule was the same, go off on me.
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Listen to no Such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you podcasts.
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No Such Thing on the latest episode of Next Question with Me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you like they will punch back. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings appearance on the puzzler with A.J. jacobs. The question is what is the most entertaining listening experience in podcast land? Jeopardy Truthers believe in?
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I guess they would be conspiracy theorists.
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That's right.
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They gave you the answers and you still blew it.
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The Puzzler listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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The Volume Golf has a winner takes all decider and it's happening this weekend at St. John's Resort in beautiful Michigan. The LIV Golf Team Championship is absolutely on the line. Twelve international squads battling to settle the entire season in one weekend of survive and advanced golf. It's a lot of fun. The teams represent six continents, include no fewer than 14 major championships. It's a global event. Notable players include Bryson DeChambeau, Phil Mickelson, Spain's John Rom, Australia's Cam Smith. Fans also get a chance to enjoy the biggest party the live golf season. It will be the biggest party with two iconic acts dropping in to headline the post round shows. Imagine Dragons. Yep, Imagine Dragons. Gonna play Saturday right after golf before Swedish House Mafia close out the weekend. Sunday at 7pm it is a time at St. John's Resort, one of America's boldest new resorts. Built on the side of the old Catholic seminary, St. John spans 24,000 square feet. It's won the AAA Four Diamond Award big time course. So I gotta ask you. Years ago, the people that own my company are Australian, the Murdochs. Years ago I asked Lachlan, I said, hey, Lachlan. Because I lived in Manhattan Beach, California. I said, you know, I always wanted to go to Australia. And he said, well, you live in Manhattan beach, it's the same weather. He said. I'm like, really? He didn't hard sell Australia. And I'm like, it shattered my. I know. It shattered my dreams of. So when you are. Because you, obviously to our audience you are a young phenom, you come up through their system. For somebody that has never been to Australia, there are obviously similarities in our democracy. What is the one thing when you're in the States that you're like, oh, mate, I miss home. What do you miss? Because California and Australia have some similarities.
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Yeah, absolutely they do. He's probably not too far off with the weather to be fair. California is a beautiful place, obviously. Beaches, Australia, the beaches are really nice. There is a lot of similarities. But I guess the one thing for me would be probably coffee and, and beer. Like, I feel like, I feel like that's it, to be honest. But we have some amazing places, obviously. The Great Barrier Reef. I've traveled up there a bunch. One of the most beautiful places in the world. Yeah. But I mean, the first thing I do when I land in Australia is I'll go get a nice coffee and then probably later that afternoon have, have a nice cold beer.
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You know what? That' good living, Cam. I can tell you right now that is good living. So when you, when you came to the live tour, I've always thought it's interesting. And I talked about this a couple of weeks ago with a member of the tour. I said, if a player on the live tour struggles, invariably everybody goes, well, it's the money. That, that's what it. And I'm like, no, it's golf. I watched David Duvall's career collapse. Ian Baker Finch. I watched Greg Norman, who was arguably the best player in the world, forget how to gol. And the back Nine of the Masters. Golf is different. It is a game of a slower tempo. There's a lot of time to get into your head. So when you've had recent struggles, everybody's going to point to the live money. And I'm like, that's an easy out. Because golfers struggle. Outside of Tiger woods, for 10 years, all golfers have streaks. So with your struggles, what do you think it is?
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You know, at the end of last year, I really did a lot of hard work on my swing, and I feel like if you looked at 2022 Cameron Smith and 2025 Cameron Smith on the range, you would say that 2025 Cameron Smith is a better golfer than 2022, just technically and maybe looks wise. But it's just been a hard year to commit. And like you say, between shots, you have so much time to think the right thing. Am I doing the right thing? And then maybe through reps, it's got better as the season's gone on. Yeah, but just committing to it, to a thought or, you know, I changed a fair bit technically, so I feel like this, in the long run, is the right thing to do. But it's, It's. It has been a little bit of a struggle this year, for sure.
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So, you know, the tour had the Phoenix Open. There's the Ryder Cup. It's not like golf's never been rowdy. Not everything is Augusta. So when I went to my first live tour event in Chicago, I thought it was just, I like new stuff. And between the merch sales, there was lines around the block. The crowd was younger. The access, I mean, I'm like Phil Mickelson, Brooks Koepka, Sergio. They're like, I can touch them. When you. And maybe Australian junior golf is rowdier. It's a rowdy country. People like their beer and their beats and their, you know, their. Their good times. Did it. Was it an adjustment to the access fans have to the volume to the music? As a professional golfer, was that a pivot for you? Was it a difficult change or did it come easy?
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It definitely was a little bit of a change, to be honest. But, you know, at the time I come over, I was playing some pret. Handy golf, so everything felt kind of easy, to be honest. You know, I. I felt like I could have gone somewhere else and played really good golf. And I think. I think what we're doing is really cool. The Access, as you mentioned, you know, selfishly, in Australia, we're doing lots of good things with the little rippers. We have junior golf programs And Golf Australia has been really helpful and, and being on our side and, and getting a lot of that stuff prepped up. So yeah, it's, it's been awesome, mate. You know, I think for me, the best thing we can do as professional golfers is get more clubs in, in the kids hands. And I feel like we're going the right way about it out here. It's, it's fun. The kids love to come back. We got the fan zone out there. Kids are putting, playing as we're playing next to them, so it's really cool.
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So the LIV Tour is more global than the PGA Tour, which I like. I think golf's an individual sport. As somebody born in Australia and now LIV is global, so it fits. But how did you view the PGA when you were 14, 15? How did you view the PGA? Or would you have been happy being Australia's? You were second first or second best golfer? Like, did you immediately, at eight years old, look at America and say, that's where I'm going to play?
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that was, you know, growing up, I'm watching guys like Jason Day and Adam Scott and Tiger. Of course that's where I wanted to be. But that, that was because all the best players were playing there and it was really the only place you could play. Yeah, so absolutely. I wanted to, to be in the US Play on the PGA Tour and, you know, be the best golfer I could be. But like, like I mentioned, it was the only opt.
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Fun. Who was the first American golf star in an event you played with? And what was the experience like? Were you nervous? Was it like, oh, I've watched him on TV for years. Go to your first event that you played with us. You played with a star.
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Jeez, I can't even remember. Oh, geez. I think one of my first PGA Tour events was maybe the Pebble Beach Pro Am. I can't remember who I played with. You know, I, I knew Jason a fair bit by then. He was probably, you know, Jason Day. Yeah, Jason Day. He was probably the first guy that I spent a fair bit of time around and went, wow, this guy is so much better than me. I've got so much work to do. But I was, I was probably only 21, 22 years old, and he was at the kind of at the peak of his career. He was playing some amazing golf when I come on Tour. Yeah. But he was probably the first guy that I really got kind of starstruck around. And then, you know, as, as time went on, you play with different Guys, and, you know, you've grown up your whole life watching them. Yeah. But Jason was definitely the first guy. I was like, holy shit, I'm so bad at golf.
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Well, I mean, I always tell my kids, life's about reaction, not action. So you obviously, you know, you have to kind of go home and not sulk and kind of figure it out. Are there. Are there courses for you, you know, as you travel around the world? And I've asked live players this before. I'm just now becoming addicted to golf. Is there a country. I know it's tormenting. Is there. Is there a country that you look at and think is underrated, that you look at the courses and you look at the young players? Is there a place in this globe that maybe is fairly new to you and you think it has an incredibly promising future in the sport?
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I would say Asia. Asia is a continent. I don't think there's one kind of country that really stands out. Every golf course that we've gone to in Asia is. Has been phenomenal.
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That's what I. That's what I hear.
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Yeah. Not. Not only the design and stuff like that, but just their practice facilities. You know, they're so excited as well, to have you there. It's. It's such a cool place. But I would say. I would say for sure, in the Next, you know, 10, 20 years, that's the place I'd look to. To where. Where I think the most good golfers are going to come out of. You know, there's. There's a fair few in Australia as well. South Africa. We're going there next year. I'm looking forward to getting there. You know, there are places where good golfers have come kind of regularly, but I think we'll see the biggest influx in Asia for sure.
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I'm going to give you a golfer and you give me a sentence as if I've never seen them play. I've never seen them play. And I want you to describe their greatness. John Gaughan.
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Oh, I mean, he's. He's incredible. It feels like when you're playing against him, when you're up near the lead, when you're in contention with him, it feels like you have to do everything perfect to beat him. That's. Drive the ball, chip the ball, you know, approach everything. It feels like he doesn't let up. He doesn't miss a shot. He's so consistent, you know, like out here, he's had. I think every studies had, like, a top 10, you know, which is. Which is a crazy thing. People might not think that that's, that's hard, but it's hard. I would, I would say just incredibly consistent. Persistent as well. Like, doesn't let up. And he's, and he's a fighter, too, you know, when, when he's, when he's on his heels, you know, more often than not, he comes out on top.
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An older guy, but one of my favorite players ever, Phil Mickelson. I've never seen him play. Describe Phil Mickelson.
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A crazy golfer. To be honest, I've played with Phil a lot, particularly the last, you know, five or six years. You know, I've played with him when he stripes the ball, hits everything perfect, does all the right stuff. And I've played with him where he hits it offline, hits these miraculous shots and gets up and down and kind of keeps the momentum going. He's definitely a momentum guy. Once he gets on a string of 30s, it seems like he's not going to stop. But a completely different golfer to John Rahm in, in that. Yeah, he kind of hits it everywhere and, like, it gets, like, gets it done.
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He's the great chef that spills a few things, but he's still great.
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Yeah, Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Rory McElroy.
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Rory's the most impressive driver of the golf ball I've ever seen. I don't think I'll ever see. I don't think anyone could ever be better than him off the tee again. Just does all the right stuff, hits it in the right places. A very. A very. He can be very dominant when he's, when he's on, I feel like he's. He's very, very tough to be.
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You know, Bryson DeChambeau is. He looks like a football player, and he's got a kind of a crazy personality. I didn' like him when he initially came on the tour. I thought he was obnoxious. And then something happened, and two years later, I, I, you know, I was always a Brooks Koepka guy, and now I love them both. And reportedly they've mended fences, which makes me happy, because I think they're really great. That's what I've heard. So, first of all, can you confirm that they now speak? They're okay?
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Oh, yeah, yeah, they're okay.
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Okay. They're okay. All right. Cam's reporting that, but it's. Is Bryson intimidating just because of his sheer stature and size? When you golf with him, what is it like to golf with him?
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Yeah, he, he can be intimidating again. He can get the driver going as well, for me, I would say I'm a kind of average kind of length guy. I don't. I don't hit the ball too short. I don't hit it too far. He can just overpower golf courses like no one else can, and it can be quite intimidating, but I don't think. I don't think there's a golf course he can play that necessarily. I can't play, if that makes sense.
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Sure.
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But yeah, he can get that driver going. It's pretty crazy, you know, some. Sometimes he's, you know, 70, 80, 90 yards ahead of you, and it's pretty demoralizing, to be honest.
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Finally, I was in Chicago. The indie crowds were double Chicago. I. I expect the Michigan crowds to be huge. Does that. Are you aware of that? Like in basketball, the crowd is on you, but in golf, are you aware of the gallery size? Does it make a difference? Is it energizing?
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Yeah, I. I think you get a certain sense of energy from the crowd. You know, last week was really cool. The golf course was kind of really narrow. Yep. And. And the crowd almost felt on top of you. We have a few events like that. Hong Kong is one of them. Adelaide is one of them. Where it feels like. Feels like you can't get away and. And it brings a certain type of energy, particularly when they're amped up, you know, particularly when you're in contention and there's a lot of yahooing and. And all the other stuff. But yeah, Indy was great last week. I can't wait for this week. This golf course is one of the best condition golf courses I've ever played. It's amazing. The format is cool this week, match play. There'll be a ton of birdies. It'll be really fun to watch.
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Yeah, Michigan's a beautiful state. I don't know how familiar you are with it, but it's got great golf that, you know, you've really gotten that Midwest swing. You get a little humidity in the Midwest. It can get like. Indiana gets, like. It can get a little hot.
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It was hot and it was hot in Chicago. Indian last week was hot, too. Way hotter than I expected.
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The Midwest can get a little. A little warm, but I'll take you. What Midwest in America? Those sports fans there are none better, man. They love their sports and they like their beer as much as you like your Aussie beer, my friend, I can assure you that. Cam Smith. Hey, I appreciate you stopping by and giving us 15 minutes. I really do.
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Yeah, no worries, mate. Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it.
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Love all you.
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Why are TSA rules so confusing?
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You got a hoodie on. Take it all.
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I'm Manny.
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I'm Noah.
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This is Devin.
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And we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no Such Thing, where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming? I can't expect what to do now if the rule was the same, go off on me.
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I deserve it, you know?
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Lock him up.
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Listen to no Such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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No Such Thing.
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On the latest episode of Next Question with Me, Katie Couric. I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you like they will punch back. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings appearance on the puzzler with A.J. jacobs. The question is, what is the most entertaining listening experience in podcast land? Jeopardy truthers believe in?
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I guess they would be conspiracy theorists.
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That's right.
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They gave you the answers and you still blew it.
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The puzzler. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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I had the skill and I had the talent. I didn't have the opportunity. Yeah, we all know, right? Genius is evenly distributed. Opportunity is not.
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